From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A production of Iheartrading.

From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A production of Iheartrading.

Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my name is Noel.

Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my name is Noel.

They called me Ben. We're joined as always with our super producer Paul, Mission Control decand most importantly, you are here. And that makes this the stuff they don't want you to know, Folks. This may be the beginning of an ongoing series and ongoing journey. We're looking at mysterious inventors, their claims, the allegations of conspiracy surrounding them, and maybe taking a crack of what happened to a few of them. At the end, we'd love to hear from you. We are only going to get to a few today, which is why we'll need to do more episodes in the future. Let's talk a little bit about invention. It's like the human superpower. Here are the facts.

They called me Ben. We're joined as always with our super producer Paul, Mission Control decand most importantly, you are here. And that makes this the stuff they don't want you to know, Folks. This may be the beginning of an ongoing series and ongoing journey. We're looking at mysterious inventors, their claims, the allegations of conspiracy surrounding them, and maybe taking a crack of what happened to a few of them. At the end, we'd love to hear from you. We are only going to get to a few today, which is why we'll need to do more episodes in the future. Let's talk a little bit about invention. It's like the human superpower. Here are the facts.

Humans, it turns out, are not the only animals that use tools. It's something that exists in the proper animal kingdom. Otters, crows, elephants, for example, dolphins, All of these creatures. These crafty creatures have the ability to use parts of their environment in ways that assist them in their daily lives, in completing tasks, and oftentimes will spontaneously attempt to make tools to.

Humans, it turns out, are not the only animals that use tools. It's something that exists in the proper animal kingdom. Otters, crows, elephants, for example, dolphins, All of these creatures. These crafty creatures have the ability to use parts of their environment in ways that assist them in their daily lives, in completing tasks, and oftentimes will spontaneously attempt to make tools to.

Solve a problem in the while.

Solve a problem in the while.

Think of an elephant perhaps gripping a stick with its trunk to you know, gouge out a hole of some kind, or to you know, move something around, you know.

Think of an elephant perhaps gripping a stick with its trunk to you know, gouge out a hole of some kind, or to you know, move something around, you know.

To extend its reach of fence. Right, that's going around.

To extend its reach of fence. Right, that's going around.

Yeah, yeah, But we've seen octopuses do some weird stuff with stuff right for their own purpose that we can't yet really fully understand. But can we get an idea like, oh, maybe that was the goal there. But humans are the ones that have an idea like that, Right, use a stick for something? You go, well, what if this stick was attached to this other thing? Well what if that was attached to this you know, creating a sophisticated tool, and you know, all the way up to creating the phone that you're listening to this.

Yeah, yeah, But we've seen octopuses do some weird stuff with stuff right for their own purpose that we can't yet really fully understand. But can we get an idea like, oh, maybe that was the goal there. But humans are the ones that have an idea like that, Right, use a stick for something? You go, well, what if this stick was attached to this other thing? Well what if that was attached to this you know, creating a sophisticated tool, and you know, all the way up to creating the phone that you're listening to this.

On, or you know. Yeah, I think in thematic terms, at some point it's like what if I make a stick large enough to smack the planet? Classic human? I think there's even there are multiple Simpsons references and stuff like that. It's true, right, the human drive for invention is so ubiquitous and so natural that if you're listening and you are human this evening, then you probably have some sort of invention rattling around in the back of your mind. And it happens so often. We've talked about this in the past, that humans independently will often create similar things near simultaneously, Like how many people invented the typewriter? A bunch of people did. I only know about that because when I went to the Mark Twain house, the guide took particular pleasure and shouten Freud in saying Mark Twain was terrible with money. He invested in the wrong form of typewriter.

On, or you know. Yeah, I think in thematic terms, at some point it's like what if I make a stick large enough to smack the planet? Classic human? I think there's even there are multiple Simpsons references and stuff like that. It's true, right, the human drive for invention is so ubiquitous and so natural that if you're listening and you are human this evening, then you probably have some sort of invention rattling around in the back of your mind. And it happens so often. We've talked about this in the past, that humans independently will often create similar things near simultaneously, Like how many people invented the typewriter? A bunch of people did. I only know about that because when I went to the Mark Twain house, the guide took particular pleasure and shouten Freud in saying Mark Twain was terrible with money. He invested in the wrong form of typewriter.

Dude, Well, some people invented typewriters and built factories to build their to build their own typewriters that never went anywhere, but they still made enough money within that time period, that short time period to buy an island. I'm just thinking you want in particular, But it's just it's crazy to think that inventing something, if you do it right, even if it's just short lived, it can be insanely lucrative.

Dude, Well, some people invented typewriters and built factories to build their to build their own typewriters that never went anywhere, but they still made enough money within that time period, that short time period to buy an island. I'm just thinking you want in particular, But it's just it's crazy to think that inventing something, if you do it right, even if it's just short lived, it can be insanely lucrative.

MM yeah, agreed. Even if the invention itself doesn't pan out in its initial application, right, there's still sometimes there's a heist about it. It depends on the motivations of the inventor. And I mean, look, there's also this thing that I think we continually returned to, which is that humans are very good at inventing things and also very very good at losing things. So something maybe invented some sort of technique like Damascus steel or what have you in the past, or Greek fire, and you might forget about it as a civilization for hundreds or thousands of years. Then you reinvent it later. Like I think people just recently figured out how some Greco Roman communities made really good cement or concrete.

MM yeah, agreed. Even if the invention itself doesn't pan out in its initial application, right, there's still sometimes there's a heist about it. It depends on the motivations of the inventor. And I mean, look, there's also this thing that I think we continually returned to, which is that humans are very good at inventing things and also very very good at losing things. So something maybe invented some sort of technique like Damascus steel or what have you in the past, or Greek fire, and you might forget about it as a civilization for hundreds or thousands of years. Then you reinvent it later. Like I think people just recently figured out how some Greco Roman communities made really good cement or concrete.

We made a video on Damascus steel, and I think I can't remember we talked about that form of concrete or not.

We made a video on Damascus steel, and I think I can't remember we talked about that form of concrete or not.

We talked about the Bagdad battery, that's for sure. Yeah, and it Yeah, it's ah man, it's so cool. These things sometimes get called anachronistic inventions because later researchers will say, well, why does this anti Cathera mechanism exist in this time period, et cetera, and sort of like as though it were unstuck in time, or at the very least a super prescient thinker is behind it, and maybe there wasn't even a proper application for it at the time, but then later it sort of comes back around to a time where it's necessity becomes clearer. There's a great Mitchell and Web sketch about Leonardo da Vinci. I don't want to spoil it, but everybody check out that show. I mean, it's true though, too. Like we like to think of inventors as a single person making some great arriving at some great epiphany, but often they're improving upon previously existing ideas, and for the big inventions, some of the early real world changing and shaking stuff, we're never going to know who invented or discovered it. It's going to be mysterious. It might as well be mythical, like who was the first person who looked at fire and was like, I should take that into where I live in a way that doesn't burn everything down. Well, it's like a puzzle piece, you know.

We talked about the Bagdad battery, that's for sure. Yeah, and it Yeah, it's ah man, it's so cool. These things sometimes get called anachronistic inventions because later researchers will say, well, why does this anti Cathera mechanism exist in this time period, et cetera, and sort of like as though it were unstuck in time, or at the very least a super prescient thinker is behind it, and maybe there wasn't even a proper application for it at the time, but then later it sort of comes back around to a time where it's necessity becomes clearer. There's a great Mitchell and Web sketch about Leonardo da Vinci. I don't want to spoil it, but everybody check out that show. I mean, it's true though, too. Like we like to think of inventors as a single person making some great arriving at some great epiphany, but often they're improving upon previously existing ideas, and for the big inventions, some of the early real world changing and shaking stuff, we're never going to know who invented or discovered it. It's going to be mysterious. It might as well be mythical, like who was the first person who looked at fire and was like, I should take that into where I live in a way that doesn't burn everything down. Well, it's like a puzzle piece, you know.

I mean, you can't necessarily claim to be the first one that ever solved a puzzle, you know, because there's a certain intuition behind it. And that can happen among multiple parties that have never met each other before. I believe it's called parallel thinking and a lot of these very quintessential, kind of intuitive uses of environment. That environment was present everywhere, and all it took was someone to kind of poke the right thing or make the right little stumble and accidentally figure out that you could strike these surfaces together and create sparks.

I mean, you can't necessarily claim to be the first one that ever solved a puzzle, you know, because there's a certain intuition behind it. And that can happen among multiple parties that have never met each other before. I believe it's called parallel thinking and a lot of these very quintessential, kind of intuitive uses of environment. That environment was present everywhere, and all it took was someone to kind of poke the right thing or make the right little stumble and accidentally figure out that you could strike these surfaces together and create sparks.

So it's right, It is nearly.

So it's right, It is nearly.

Impossible, and oftentimes when you get into more specific kind of inventions, it becomes the source of a lot of debate and litigation.

Impossible, and oftentimes when you get into more specific kind of inventions, it becomes the source of a lot of debate and litigation.

Mm hmm. It was Brongthar, by the way, she was the first pyromancer. She figuredured out the whole fire.

Mm hmm. It was Brongthar, by the way, she was the first pyromancer. She figuredured out the whole fire.

Thing in her area. I was thinking about, like, you know, to that point, let's say a wildfire sweeps through an area, Like how did humans learn to cook? Did a wildfire sweep through an area? Someone finds a dead animal and they're like, wow, this is pretty crispy actually, and they invent the word crispy, and then it's off to the races and now we have Michelin stars. But it's true too about the idea of where who can be ascribed as the inventor like Archimedes screw. We've talked about a little bit. Uh, this is still a common myth. Archimedes didn't invent that, or if he did, he wasn't the first person. It's like, who's the first person who figured out to be quite crass, you should wipe your butt after you defecate. It was a crapper guy, Thomas crapper.

Thing in her area. I was thinking about, like, you know, to that point, let's say a wildfire sweeps through an area, Like how did humans learn to cook? Did a wildfire sweep through an area? Someone finds a dead animal and they're like, wow, this is pretty crispy actually, and they invent the word crispy, and then it's off to the races and now we have Michelin stars. But it's true too about the idea of where who can be ascribed as the inventor like Archimedes screw. We've talked about a little bit. Uh, this is still a common myth. Archimedes didn't invent that, or if he did, he wasn't the first person. It's like, who's the first person who figured out to be quite crass, you should wipe your butt after you defecate. It was a crapper guy, Thomas crapper.

But that's of debate right right the toilet because it's the better story. And Archimedes invented so much other stuff. He was the biggest name. He gets lumped in with a lot of stuff that he I mean, not even a diss on him, like he was just grabbing on everyone's ideas. It's just more the way history likes to put a little bow on everything.

But that's of debate right right the toilet because it's the better story. And Archimedes invented so much other stuff. He was the biggest name. He gets lumped in with a lot of stuff that he I mean, not even a diss on him, like he was just grabbing on everyone's ideas. It's just more the way history likes to put a little bow on everything.

You know, we love a brand, we love a franchise, Shout out cosmics. You know, he probably did dig the concept of the screw, the water moving device, but he certainly wasn't the first person to invent it. That's why we're saying all this to give you the background, folks. Invention itself is an inherently mysterious pursuit, even if all the research is transparent. The problem itself. What you're attempting to solve is a mystery, and this becomes dangerous. We'll probably get into scientists, I hope in a future episode, but we've talked about this. Governments and other organizations have close eyes on recent search and invention in certain genres, and as we're recording right now, there are hundreds of people, this is not hyperbole, hundreds of people in the United States who invented something that Uncle Sam took control of and they cannot legally speak about it for the rest of their lives.

You know, we love a brand, we love a franchise, Shout out cosmics. You know, he probably did dig the concept of the screw, the water moving device, but he certainly wasn't the first person to invent it. That's why we're saying all this to give you the background, folks. Invention itself is an inherently mysterious pursuit, even if all the research is transparent. The problem itself. What you're attempting to solve is a mystery, and this becomes dangerous. We'll probably get into scientists, I hope in a future episode, but we've talked about this. Governments and other organizations have close eyes on recent search and invention in certain genres, and as we're recording right now, there are hundreds of people, this is not hyperbole, hundreds of people in the United States who invented something that Uncle Sam took control of and they cannot legally speak about it for the rest of their lives.

Dude, Ken, I kind of just bring up one thing that we found in the research here. There's a fascinating story of a scientist who I think in nineteen eighty three, moved to Huntsville, Alabama, started working with the university there, and was working specifically on anti gravity technology. And this is early like anti gravity isn't maybe the right word, gravitational field manipulation technology in the eighties, and she was working on it, getting grants, publishing papers on the stuff having it has to do with superconductors way back then about how to like just manipulate fields of gravity. Then she kind of falls off the radar, not publishing anything, and it's when she gets I think it's a DoD contract to begin, she like, she left the university, started her own business to try and monetize this tech that she wanted to build, right the DD came in and then nobody has heard from her in a long time. It's an ongoing mystery that you can check out right now. There's a great YouTube video from Barely Sociable about it from like twenty twenty one. But anyway, it's weird because she's alive. She seems to be fine, but she can't talk about what she's doing because now it's for the government.

Dude, Ken, I kind of just bring up one thing that we found in the research here. There's a fascinating story of a scientist who I think in nineteen eighty three, moved to Huntsville, Alabama, started working with the university there, and was working specifically on anti gravity technology. And this is early like anti gravity isn't maybe the right word, gravitational field manipulation technology in the eighties, and she was working on it, getting grants, publishing papers on the stuff having it has to do with superconductors way back then about how to like just manipulate fields of gravity. Then she kind of falls off the radar, not publishing anything, and it's when she gets I think it's a DoD contract to begin, she like, she left the university, started her own business to try and monetize this tech that she wanted to build, right the DD came in and then nobody has heard from her in a long time. It's an ongoing mystery that you can check out right now. There's a great YouTube video from Barely Sociable about it from like twenty twenty one. But anyway, it's weird because she's alive. She seems to be fine, but she can't talk about what she's doing because now it's for the government.

And what's the name of the scientist for.

And what's the name of the scientist for.

Nam Lee nig dash l I.

Nam Lee nig dash l I.

That's quite a long time to be off the grid, isn't it.

That's quite a long time to be off the grid, isn't it.

Mm hmm? Though the last communications were like the early two thousands.

Mm hmm? Though the last communications were like the early two thousands.

I'm sure she talks with her handler on a semi regular basis. Right, So we're talking about things like the Invention Secrecy Act of nineteen teen fifty one. Check out our episode on that. And the question is, like, this is something doctor Lee is probably wondering as well. What happens if you're one of these inventors, let's say you because you don't know what your end result will be. When you start experimenting, you can aim toward things. But then, just like the guy who invented the microwave, you get in situations and then you're onto something totally different. I mean, like you could start working on something innocuous, like the furrito, which is this brilliant combination or I should say, quite ambitious combination of fa broth in the typical burrito. Now, some people say it can't be done.

I'm sure she talks with her handler on a semi regular basis. Right, So we're talking about things like the Invention Secrecy Act of nineteen teen fifty one. Check out our episode on that. And the question is, like, this is something doctor Lee is probably wondering as well. What happens if you're one of these inventors, let's say you because you don't know what your end result will be. When you start experimenting, you can aim toward things. But then, just like the guy who invented the microwave, you get in situations and then you're onto something totally different. I mean, like you could start working on something innocuous, like the furrito, which is this brilliant combination or I should say, quite ambitious combination of fa broth in the typical burrito. Now, some people say it can't be done.

You got to thicken that thing up, right, I've.

You got to thicken that thing up, right, I've.

Got a lot of stuff going on.

Got a lot of stuff going on.

You a soup sandwich.

You a soup sandwich.

Oh right, I wanted to save this one. I wanted to save furrito for this, but because I was thinking the same thing all the soup sandwich. But but yeah, I'm onto stuff. But what if that accidentally leads like this innocuous research initially, What if it leads to something that all of a sudden would be world changing.

Oh right, I wanted to save this one. I wanted to save furrito for this, but because I was thinking the same thing all the soup sandwich. But but yeah, I'm onto stuff. But what if that accidentally leads like this innocuous research initially, What if it leads to something that all of a sudden would be world changing.

It happens all the time. You know, what was it the chocolate bar melting in the pocket? You know that was a total accident that basically led to the invention of the microwave. And then the microwave is sort of obviously there's a very you know, home friendly use of that. But then the technology has applications well beyond that, like you know, in terms of radiation studying radiation and how you know, how it interacts on the body, and there's all kinds of other uses of microwave microwave technology, you know, for military applications.

It happens all the time. You know, what was it the chocolate bar melting in the pocket? You know that was a total accident that basically led to the invention of the microwave. And then the microwave is sort of obviously there's a very you know, home friendly use of that. But then the technology has applications well beyond that, like you know, in terms of radiation studying radiation and how you know, how it interacts on the body, and there's all kinds of other uses of microwave microwave technology, you know, for military applications.

Percy Spencer shout out, Ben.

Percy Spencer shout out, Ben.

Look, I'm going to say this really quietly, and I'm so sorry. Fu Heata.

Look, I'm going to say this really quietly, and I'm so sorry. Fu Heata.

All right, no judgment, there's no judgment in brainstorming. Uh Fucksidilla? All right, well, fuck you, Sadilla. We've got ways to go, you know. But what happens if you are one of those inventors? We tell you again, without hyperbole, fellow conspiracy realist, this is but one of what will probably be a recurring series because, as it turns out, there are many, many inventors who have a lot of mystery surrounding their invention, and some of them may have died as a result. Here's where it gets crazy. Just cars, even just to the world of cars. It's nuts. Like when you think of someone who invents, you know, the catalytic converter, or when you think of, you know, the guys working at Mercedes, Benz and stuff. You don't usually think of a lot of intrigue, right like what if?

All right, no judgment, there's no judgment in brainstorming. Uh Fucksidilla? All right, well, fuck you, Sadilla. We've got ways to go, you know. But what happens if you are one of those inventors? We tell you again, without hyperbole, fellow conspiracy realist, this is but one of what will probably be a recurring series because, as it turns out, there are many, many inventors who have a lot of mystery surrounding their invention, and some of them may have died as a result. Here's where it gets crazy. Just cars, even just to the world of cars. It's nuts. Like when you think of someone who invents, you know, the catalytic converter, or when you think of, you know, the guys working at Mercedes, Benz and stuff. You don't usually think of a lot of intrigue, right like what if?

What if it could have twelve v's arrest this man.

What if it could have twelve v's arrest this man.

There's too many v's, you know. We talked like Stanley Meyer allegedly invented a water fuel cell and he it's been dismissed as a perpetual motion machine. But of course there are tons and tons of different theories about how that went down. There's a guy, Tom Ogle who will talk about who unfortunately, well we'll get to him. But maybe we start, just for an example, the case we're laying out for these future episodes, maybe we start with Rudolph Diesel. You guys can tell I've got a little bit of a horse in the race or a little bit of piston in the machine, because my name for today's recording is hashtag Justice for.

There's too many v's, you know. We talked like Stanley Meyer allegedly invented a water fuel cell and he it's been dismissed as a perpetual motion machine. But of course there are tons and tons of different theories about how that went down. There's a guy, Tom Ogle who will talk about who unfortunately, well we'll get to him. But maybe we start, just for an example, the case we're laying out for these future episodes, maybe we start with Rudolph Diesel. You guys can tell I've got a little bit of a horse in the race or a little bit of piston in the machine, because my name for today's recording is hashtag Justice for.

Diesel, which is kind of very techno, kind of banger of a name.

Diesel, which is kind of very techno, kind of banger of a name.

I love that.

I love that.

So, what's the deal with Diesel, this guy who invented the diesel engine? And why is his case so kind of shrouded in mystery. It's not as so he invented a weapon of mass destruction. I mean, you know, diesel is a fuel. It is something that promotes you know, commerce and productivity. Obviously, a lot of large vehicles that that you know, help ship and receive all of the goods and stuff that we rely on that they use diesel, So that's a big deal. So he's definitely kind of a captain of industry in that respect, not as though he invented some sort of world annihilating you know, bomb of some kind. So his name Rudolph Christian Carl Diesel, which isn't the longest name we're going to have.

So, what's the deal with Diesel, this guy who invented the diesel engine? And why is his case so kind of shrouded in mystery. It's not as so he invented a weapon of mass destruction. I mean, you know, diesel is a fuel. It is something that promotes you know, commerce and productivity. Obviously, a lot of large vehicles that that you know, help ship and receive all of the goods and stuff that we rely on that they use diesel, So that's a big deal. So he's definitely kind of a captain of industry in that respect, not as though he invented some sort of world annihilating you know, bomb of some kind. So his name Rudolph Christian Carl Diesel, which isn't the longest name we're going to have.

In this Evening's episodes.

In this Evening's episodes.

So yeah, not by a long shot, and I look forward to the next one, which is one for the books. But he was born on March eighteenth, eighteen fifty eight in Paris. He wanted to be an engineer since he was a very small German boy living in Paris.

So yeah, not by a long shot, and I look forward to the next one, which is one for the books. But he was born on March eighteenth, eighteen fifty eight in Paris. He wanted to be an engineer since he was a very small German boy living in Paris.

Yeah, and what so that's when was he born.

Yeah, and what so that's when was he born.

Eighteen fifty eight?

Eighteen fifty eight?

It's fifty eight and then the first engine officially is like thirty a little less than thirty years later, is that correct?

It's fifty eight and then the first engine officially is like thirty a little less than thirty years later, is that correct?

Yeah, yeah, it's around thirties. So like he's in his mid thirties by the eighteen nineties, and he's super deep into fuel and engine efficiency experiments in particular, and he has a couple of patents and he's got one in eighteen ninety two, I think. And then he goes back and corrects himself because he's figuring out his theory. He's cooking live and he doesn't really invent the concept of this engine, but he makes it viable, right. He vastly improves it such that it works, and that's why they call it the diesel engine. Now you can see the first diesel engine that was ever successfully tested over in Munich today it burst in creativity. It's called the Motor two fifty four hundred. He does that in eighteen ninety seven. So like to your point, Matt, yeah, he's he's in his thirties, he's still a young lad.

Yeah, yeah, it's around thirties. So like he's in his mid thirties by the eighteen nineties, and he's super deep into fuel and engine efficiency experiments in particular, and he has a couple of patents and he's got one in eighteen ninety two, I think. And then he goes back and corrects himself because he's figuring out his theory. He's cooking live and he doesn't really invent the concept of this engine, but he makes it viable, right. He vastly improves it such that it works, and that's why they call it the diesel engine. Now you can see the first diesel engine that was ever successfully tested over in Munich today it burst in creativity. It's called the Motor two fifty four hundred. He does that in eighteen ninety seven. So like to your point, Matt, yeah, he's he's in his thirties, he's still a young lad.

Well yeah, well, I guess what I mean is the first car engine that was ever developed by Mercedes Benz is eighteen eighty five. So it's interesting that he's I'm certain he's aware of that as a thing, right, the views of that invention has come across. So he's do you guys ever think of the word tinkerer like you would take an engine like that and you just make small adjustments. See what happens, and then okay, well what if this occurred, What if we switch this piece out right and then add another piece in between these two major functioning parts. It's just really interesting. And that's the way I'm maybe picturing this this person.

Well yeah, well, I guess what I mean is the first car engine that was ever developed by Mercedes Benz is eighteen eighty five. So it's interesting that he's I'm certain he's aware of that as a thing, right, the views of that invention has come across. So he's do you guys ever think of the word tinkerer like you would take an engine like that and you just make small adjustments. See what happens, and then okay, well what if this occurred, What if we switch this piece out right and then add another piece in between these two major functioning parts. It's just really interesting. And that's the way I'm maybe picturing this this person.

I think you're absolutely right, dude, because we also we have to remember that in this context, yes, motors exist, steamship steam engines exist, they're all woefully cartoonishly inefficient, especially compared to modern standards. So the diesel engine is revolutionary, and it clearly anybody worth their salt in any number of industries, they clearly know this can apply to them and it could change the game. And so by nineteen twelve, there are more than seventy thousand diesel engines all around the world. Mostly they're working for in generators or they're working in factories. Business is super good. And if you are anybody but Rudolph Diesel and you hear about his life and his invention, you think this guy is basically Jeff Bezos, you know, or like Dean Kyman level. You think he is super super duper wealthy. You think that he has no no issues other than making time to sign all those autographs and checks but uh.

I think you're absolutely right, dude, because we also we have to remember that in this context, yes, motors exist, steamship steam engines exist, they're all woefully cartoonishly inefficient, especially compared to modern standards. So the diesel engine is revolutionary, and it clearly anybody worth their salt in any number of industries, they clearly know this can apply to them and it could change the game. And so by nineteen twelve, there are more than seventy thousand diesel engines all around the world. Mostly they're working for in generators or they're working in factories. Business is super good. And if you are anybody but Rudolph Diesel and you hear about his life and his invention, you think this guy is basically Jeff Bezos, you know, or like Dean Kyman level. You think he is super super duper wealthy. You think that he has no no issues other than making time to sign all those autographs and checks but uh.

Way are we saying he wasn't what he was? Probably crazy wealthy, right.

Way are we saying he wasn't what he was? Probably crazy wealthy, right.

Dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun. Okay, So let's fast forward. It's nineteen thirteen September twenty ninth. Our boy Rudy is going on a trip. That's right.

Dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun. Okay, So let's fast forward. It's nineteen thirteen September twenty ninth. Our boy Rudy is going on a trip. That's right.

Diesel gets on a ship, the s S. Dresden and Antwerp on his way to meet a group called the Consolidated Diesel Manufacturing Company in London. And while he's kicking it with these folks, they attend a groundbreaking of a new diesel engine plant and he has another little errand to ron. While he's out there, Diesel is going to meet with members representatives of the British Navy and talk about installing his engines in their submarines.

Diesel gets on a ship, the s S. Dresden and Antwerp on his way to meet a group called the Consolidated Diesel Manufacturing Company in London. And while he's kicking it with these folks, they attend a groundbreaking of a new diesel engine plant and he has another little errand to ron. While he's out there, Diesel is going to meet with members representatives of the British Navy and talk about installing his engines in their submarines.

Hold up, pull up. So this is fascinating to me. Where the manufacturing plant we're talking about here is actually building the engines themselves, right, This isn't a plant that is using the engines, it's creating them, right, yes.

Hold up, pull up. So this is fascinating to me. Where the manufacturing plant we're talking about here is actually building the engines themselves, right, This isn't a plant that is using the engines, it's creating them, right, yes.

Yeah, absolutely, And they have an annual meeting, so that is there's nothing sketchy about that. That's just good pr Yeah.

Yeah, absolutely, And they have an annual meeting, so that is there's nothing sketchy about that. That's just good pr Yeah.

But still he's got a huge manufacturing engine that's building engines, right, and then uh, he's meeting with the Navy, which could be not only lucrative, but like you just think about that, even that just that first handshake deal. I well, let's develop, let's let's work together. We like you Diesel, let's see what you can do for our sums.

But still he's got a huge manufacturing engine that's building engines, right, and then uh, he's meeting with the Navy, which could be not only lucrative, but like you just think about that, even that just that first handshake deal. I well, let's develop, let's let's work together. We like you Diesel, let's see what you can do for our sums.

We like the we like the cut of your jib, we like the pumpy your fuel which sounds weirdly like in your window. And maybe there was some at play, but he so, like you said, he's he's talking with the he's talking with this private industry, uh congloberate basically, and they are going or consortium, I should say, and this is going to be really good for business. This is also really good pr for them. But he has he as a guy with German roots, is also very well aware that Germans marines are already using diesel engines. And so this second meeting is maybe a little less publicized. That's not the big headline grabber. He hangs out with some folks who are on the boat with him, and the way that they put it in the New York Times, which reports on this, he has he's just out there. They're in a good mood. They're like chain smoking and talking whatever the early nineteen hundreds version of trash talk is or small talk, I guess. And then round about ten pm, one of the guys says, well, okay, well let's knock it off, you know, let's go to bed, and so he agrees one of his last statements, or he agrees. He goes into his cabin and then he comes back out and he hasn't changed his clothing or anything. He shakes hands with his compatriots. He tells one of them, all right, I'll see you in the morning, and he sets away wake up call with the crew for six fifteen am. What do you say? We pause for a word from our sponsor. What you're here?

We like the we like the cut of your jib, we like the pumpy your fuel which sounds weirdly like in your window. And maybe there was some at play, but he so, like you said, he's he's talking with the he's talking with this private industry, uh congloberate basically, and they are going or consortium, I should say, and this is going to be really good for business. This is also really good pr for them. But he has he as a guy with German roots, is also very well aware that Germans marines are already using diesel engines. And so this second meeting is maybe a little less publicized. That's not the big headline grabber. He hangs out with some folks who are on the boat with him, and the way that they put it in the New York Times, which reports on this, he has he's just out there. They're in a good mood. They're like chain smoking and talking whatever the early nineteen hundreds version of trash talk is or small talk, I guess. And then round about ten pm, one of the guys says, well, okay, well let's knock it off, you know, let's go to bed, and so he agrees one of his last statements, or he agrees. He goes into his cabin and then he comes back out and he hasn't changed his clothing or anything. He shakes hands with his compatriots. He tells one of them, all right, I'll see you in the morning, and he sets away wake up call with the crew for six fifteen am. What do you say? We pause for a word from our sponsor. What you're here?

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He hats for a cruise line and we've returned. So let's say fast forward deeply. It's six fifteen am. He gets the wake up call. What happens.

He hats for a cruise line and we've returned. So let's say fast forward deeply. It's six fifteen am. He gets the wake up call. What happens.

Well, in the morning, his cabin is empty and his bed has actually not been slept in at all. His bed was not bed clothes, bed closer sheets, but his night his his night shirt, his bedtime attire, were neatly folded and laid out, and his watch had been left where it could be seen from the bed, not to mention that his and overcoat are also neatly stowed beneath the after deck railing, which I guess is sort of a kind of like a you know, like in a hotel room where you might have like a little closet built into the wall.

Well, in the morning, his cabin is empty and his bed has actually not been slept in at all. His bed was not bed clothes, bed closer sheets, but his night his his night shirt, his bedtime attire, were neatly folded and laid out, and his watch had been left where it could be seen from the bed, not to mention that his and overcoat are also neatly stowed beneath the after deck railing, which I guess is sort of a kind of like a you know, like in a hotel room where you might have like a little closet built into the wall.

So hold up, So he is publicly saying good night to people at like ten pm, I'll see you in the morning, Yeah, see you bye, going in, nobody sees him again. That's it. He clearly got ready for bed right, or somebody made it to look as though he got ready for bed right.

So hold up, So he is publicly saying good night to people at like ten pm, I'll see you in the morning, Yeah, see you bye, going in, nobody sees him again. That's it. He clearly got ready for bed right, or somebody made it to look as though he got ready for bed right.

Yeah.

Yeah.

His disappearance throws the world for a loop. It's not the kind of news they can crack down on because his upcoming, his upcoming event at that factory was already in the public sphere. So we see, even without the world of social media, we see this proliferation of conspiracy theories. Almost immediately, people say this guy was super rich, you know, he had every reason to live. He invented a world changing engine. But after his disappearance, as investigations continued, new details revealed that his public image was not his real life. Instead, the guy had some bad health. We don't know the degree of it, and perhaps more importantly, he was in serious debt, which, weirdly enough, happens to a lot of inventors.

His disappearance throws the world for a loop. It's not the kind of news they can crack down on because his upcoming, his upcoming event at that factory was already in the public sphere. So we see, even without the world of social media, we see this proliferation of conspiracy theories. Almost immediately, people say this guy was super rich, you know, he had every reason to live. He invented a world changing engine. But after his disappearance, as investigations continued, new details revealed that his public image was not his real life. Instead, the guy had some bad health. We don't know the degree of it, and perhaps more importantly, he was in serious debt, which, weirdly enough, happens to a lot of inventors.

So what did he So we know that he made a lot of money at some point, and was making a lot of money. I guess that money was being funneled into places that were then losing money.

So what did he So we know that he made a lot of money at some point, and was making a lot of money. I guess that money was being funneled into places that were then losing money.

That's the idea, unclear, quite possibly against sketchier though a curiouser and curiouser his spouse, Martha diesel shortly after his disappearance. She opens a he gave her. Now, everybody, put yourself in this situation. Imagine what you would do. Your partner is going on a big trip, and your partner kind of controls the finances, right, which would be common for marriages of that time in that part of the world. And then he says, hey, I'm going to leave this bag with you. And then you say, okay, you know, my dear husband, what's in the bag? What should I do with it? And he goes, well, don't open it until like next week, and then what.

That's the idea, unclear, quite possibly against sketchier though a curiouser and curiouser his spouse, Martha diesel shortly after his disappearance. She opens a he gave her. Now, everybody, put yourself in this situation. Imagine what you would do. Your partner is going on a big trip, and your partner kind of controls the finances, right, which would be common for marriages of that time in that part of the world. And then he says, hey, I'm going to leave this bag with you. And then you say, okay, you know, my dear husband, what's in the bag? What should I do with it? And he goes, well, don't open it until like next week, and then what.

And this is just before just before he leaves. Oh, dude, this is pseudo side right, come on?

And this is just before just before he leaves. Oh, dude, this is pseudo side right, come on?

So she uh, I love it. So she uh she waits, she gets the news of his disappearance. She says, all right, I'm going to open the bag. It is a bag full of cash. It's like a we don't know if it was a Duffel bag. It probably wasn't, but it was. It was a big It was full of like twenty grand in German marks, which is over one hundred and twenty thousand dollars today. And then that wasn't all that was in the bag.

So she uh, I love it. So she uh she waits, she gets the news of his disappearance. She says, all right, I'm going to open the bag. It is a bag full of cash. It's like a we don't know if it was a Duffel bag. It probably wasn't, but it was. It was a big It was full of like twenty grand in German marks, which is over one hundred and twenty thousand dollars today. And then that wasn't all that was in the bag.

Well, wait a minute, German marks. I guess it depends on the year, right, because German marks have fluctuated a little bit, a bit, a little bit. Oh sorry, my brain thinking about that.

Well, wait a minute, German marks. I guess it depends on the year, right, because German marks have fluctuated a little bit, a bit, a little bit. Oh sorry, my brain thinking about that.

This is you know, this is still before the times of their great fluctuations that would come.

This is you know, this is still before the times of their great fluctuations that would come.

So and Ben, you said the bank accounts were completely empty.

So and Ben, you said the bank accounts were completely empty.

That's the other thing that was in the bag, Like Jay, yeah.

That's the other thing that was in the bag, Like Jay, yeah.

Yeah, there's nothing in there.

Yeah, there's nothing in there.

It's all in this bag, right that they basically have pennies in their bank accounts. And then fast forward, you know the world is still asking what the heck happened to Rudolph? And then on October tenth. Officially, we arrive at an answer.

It's all in this bag, right that they basically have pennies in their bank accounts. And then fast forward, you know the world is still asking what the heck happened to Rudolph? And then on October tenth. Officially, we arrive at an answer.

A Belgian sailor aboard a north sea steamship spots a body and the water just drifting, and upon further investigation, it turned out that the body belonged to Rootolph Diesel.

A Belgian sailor aboard a north sea steamship spots a body and the water just drifting, and upon further investigation, it turned out that the body belonged to Rootolph Diesel.

Officially right, officially, I don't know. I think it's a fishy explanation. But yeah, so they say they found his body. They verified his body, and it looked as though he somehow went over over the side of the boat and then drowned and his corpse floated for multiple days until it was discovered. But what happened?

Officially right, officially, I don't know. I think it's a fishy explanation. But yeah, so they say they found his body. They verified his body, and it looked as though he somehow went over over the side of the boat and then drowned and his corpse floated for multiple days until it was discovered. But what happened?

Yeah, do do we know who he owed money to with his investments at all? Or is that all still kind of a mystery?

Yeah, do do we know who he owed money to with his investments at all? Or is that all still kind of a mystery?

Well, there are there are competing theories about this, and they get a little wilder and wilder the further out we go, Like you'll you'll see people saying that he had serious debts with titans of industry like the Rockefellers or what have you, or had fallen on the bad side of oil interest. But it's still kind of unclear. Most people would argue at this time, and even now that he took his own life, that he committed suicide purposely jumped overboard because of either his dire health or his dire finances.

Well, there are there are competing theories about this, and they get a little wilder and wilder the further out we go, Like you'll you'll see people saying that he had serious debts with titans of industry like the Rockefellers or what have you, or had fallen on the bad side of oil interest. But it's still kind of unclear. Most people would argue at this time, and even now that he took his own life, that he committed suicide purposely jumped overboard because of either his dire health or his dire finances.

Got it, geez, I guess just if you did have a list of people that he owed money to, you'd have a list of people with motive to take him out.

Got it, geez, I guess just if you did have a list of people that he owed money to, you'd have a list of people with motive to take him out.

Yeah, right, And that list should be something that you could find, right if this is not suicide, if this is indeed homicide. And the problem is that with those lists with that idea of documentation, if someone commits suicide or pseudo side and they have a partner that will still be legally biologically alive, then usually they have come some kind of life insurance grift going on, right, And it doesn't appear that he made any untoward kind of new life insurance accounts, you know, like the day he leaves on the dress. So there are a lot of theories that argue, no, no, no, no, no, this guy didn't take his own life. He certainly wasn't planning to. He was murdered. And it makes I gotta be honest, not to be credulous, but it makes more and more sense, or at least there's I'm still on the fence about it, you guys, But the way you look into it, he wasn't He wasn't super happy with how his invention was being used because very powerful forces wanted it. What are you going to tell the German government, No, I have a problem with what you're doing. They don't care. They've already got the U boats.

Yeah, right, And that list should be something that you could find, right if this is not suicide, if this is indeed homicide. And the problem is that with those lists with that idea of documentation, if someone commits suicide or pseudo side and they have a partner that will still be legally biologically alive, then usually they have come some kind of life insurance grift going on, right, And it doesn't appear that he made any untoward kind of new life insurance accounts, you know, like the day he leaves on the dress. So there are a lot of theories that argue, no, no, no, no, no, this guy didn't take his own life. He certainly wasn't planning to. He was murdered. And it makes I gotta be honest, not to be credulous, but it makes more and more sense, or at least there's I'm still on the fence about it, you guys, But the way you look into it, he wasn't He wasn't super happy with how his invention was being used because very powerful forces wanted it. What are you going to tell the German government, No, I have a problem with what you're doing. They don't care. They've already got the U boats.

So at this point, the murder theory posits that someone, perhaps a German operative, may have engineered his death in order to look like a suicide. We know, that's incredibly common, you know, I mean, just you put the gun in the person's hand, wipe off your prints, et cetera. Or feed them an overdose of their own medication something like that. There's any number of ways this can be done. All of this in the hopes of preventing him from spreading his world changing technology to the enemy.

So at this point, the murder theory posits that someone, perhaps a German operative, may have engineered his death in order to look like a suicide. We know, that's incredibly common, you know, I mean, just you put the gun in the person's hand, wipe off your prints, et cetera. Or feed them an overdose of their own medication something like that. There's any number of ways this can be done. All of this in the hopes of preventing him from spreading his world changing technology to the enemy.

Yeah, the British. It's fascinating to imagine that the same technology gets used on two sides of like warrying of two warring factions, right, same engine in the tanks that are firing at each other. Really weird stuff.

Yeah, the British. It's fascinating to imagine that the same technology gets used on two sides of like warrying of two warring factions, right, same engine in the tanks that are firing at each other. Really weird stuff.

Yeah, shout out military industrial complex, right Yeah.

Yeah, shout out military industrial complex, right Yeah.

And in the end it's the manufacturers that are like what.

And in the end it's the manufacturers that are like what.

Especially if you're the only entity manufacturing a specific thing, right, Like, hey, prices have gone up. Man, let's just let's you and I hope they don't go up again. Now go ahead and sign.

Especially if you're the only entity manufacturing a specific thing, right, Like, hey, prices have gone up. Man, let's just let's you and I hope they don't go up again. Now go ahead and sign.

You couldn't need more ammunition, right, like, ah, we got just several palettes waiting for you, go ahead, exactly right.

You couldn't need more ammunition, right, like, ah, we got just several palettes waiting for you, go ahead, exactly right.

And what happened to that palette of a billion dollars in Iraq straight cash?

And what happened to that palette of a billion dollars in Iraq straight cash?

No, it fell from an airplane with a parachute and then it got squirreled away somewhere.

No, it fell from an airplane with a parachute and then it got squirreled away somewhere.

FI currency is such an amazing invention morality aside, but right, so like to what you're saying, No, the idea then would be that German operatives got on the boat and nipped this stuff in the bud before he could meet with British forces. It doesn't stop there, though, because some people say, yeah, he was murdered, but it wasn't German intelligence or some proxy of the Instead, it was a tentacle of big oil interest and that's where the different like tycoons of industry come into play. The argument is that a few years before he disappeared, he said, you know what else about the diesel engine? It can run on peanut oil?

FI currency is such an amazing invention morality aside, but right, so like to what you're saying, No, the idea then would be that German operatives got on the boat and nipped this stuff in the bud before he could meet with British forces. It doesn't stop there, though, because some people say, yeah, he was murdered, but it wasn't German intelligence or some proxy of the Instead, it was a tentacle of big oil interest and that's where the different like tycoons of industry come into play. The argument is that a few years before he disappeared, he said, you know what else about the diesel engine? It can run on peanut oil?

My friends, Oh yeah, oh, my son was just learning who is the inventor with all the peanuts here in George Washington Carver. George Washington Carver, he just did a whole huge lesson on all of the other peanut inventions and peanut related things that George Washington Carver worked on. Peanut butter is the only thing that he didn't invent. He invented there. It was a list of like four hundred different things, including peanut oil, like specifically peanut oil that could be combustible and used in.

My friends, Oh yeah, oh, my son was just learning who is the inventor with all the peanuts here in George Washington Carver. George Washington Carver, he just did a whole huge lesson on all of the other peanut inventions and peanut related things that George Washington Carver worked on. Peanut butter is the only thing that he didn't invent. He invented there. It was a list of like four hundred different things, including peanut oil, like specifically peanut oil that could be combustible and used in.

An engine like this biodiesel.

An engine like this biodiesel.

Crazy.

Crazy.

Sorry, It's amazing though, and I feel like Carver would be great for ridiculous history too. Maybe. So there's another theory on this. So we've got suicide and we've got homicide. The other theory certainly more tasty. This has the umami of intrigue. What if Diesel didn't die at all? What if he did commit pseudo side to your point, Matt, what if he faked his death with help from the British and emigrated to Canada or Australia some other anglophone friendly country and spent the rest of his life in obscurity designing submarine engines for the fight against Germany and World War One.

Sorry, It's amazing though, and I feel like Carver would be great for ridiculous history too. Maybe. So there's another theory on this. So we've got suicide and we've got homicide. The other theory certainly more tasty. This has the umami of intrigue. What if Diesel didn't die at all? What if he did commit pseudo side to your point, Matt, what if he faked his death with help from the British and emigrated to Canada or Australia some other anglophone friendly country and spent the rest of his life in obscurity designing submarine engines for the fight against Germany and World War One.

Dude, I mean, I wouldn't put that past like the intelligence forces right back then? Was the oss? Even around pre World War One? Was there any there must have been something like that, some kind of I don't know, maybe not the US, maybe it was British.

Dude, I mean, I wouldn't put that past like the intelligence forces right back then? Was the oss? Even around pre World War One? Was there any there must have been something like that, some kind of I don't know, maybe not the US, maybe it was British.

Yeah, I mean you have to be right, even if it was just a couple of you know, like friends of Queen and country kind of ad hoc thing. Of course, those those kind of operations are as old as the first time more than two tribes met to each met together. Right.

Yeah, I mean you have to be right, even if it was just a couple of you know, like friends of Queen and country kind of ad hoc thing. Of course, those those kind of operations are as old as the first time more than two tribes met to each met together. Right.

Oh. Yeah, the old paper clip goes way back, and there was this.

Oh. Yeah, the old paper clip goes way back, and there was this.

You know, there would later be these patterns of abducting scientists and war criminals or aiding them in some kind of escape and keeping it out of the public sphere if the news would be bad optics I mean Washington Posts. They points out that pseudo side, as we've discussed, it asked a lot, It asks a lot of error from investigators and to ask a supreme amount of OPSEC from the people who are faking their deaths. So they say, there are no administrative records, no paper trail at all for this possible life in Canada or some kind of wit sec thing in Australia. There there's no deathbed confession from someone who might have spirited him away. No fellow engineers who would have ever worked on anything have said, you know, they they told us his name was John Doe, but he looked a lot like this Rudolph Diesel guy. There's just no there's no hard evidence for this idea, as interesting as it is, and it'll probably be a mystery for the time being.

You know, there would later be these patterns of abducting scientists and war criminals or aiding them in some kind of escape and keeping it out of the public sphere if the news would be bad optics I mean Washington Posts. They points out that pseudo side, as we've discussed, it asked a lot, It asks a lot of error from investigators and to ask a supreme amount of OPSEC from the people who are faking their deaths. So they say, there are no administrative records, no paper trail at all for this possible life in Canada or some kind of wit sec thing in Australia. There there's no deathbed confession from someone who might have spirited him away. No fellow engineers who would have ever worked on anything have said, you know, they they told us his name was John Doe, but he looked a lot like this Rudolph Diesel guy. There's just no there's no hard evidence for this idea, as interesting as it is, and it'll probably be a mystery for the time being.

And again, like we were talking about this the other day with Glenn Miller, how you know, this guy at the peak of his game who had just decided to essentially invent the USO and was going overseas to you know, bring cheer and joy to the troops, what motive would.

And again, like we were talking about this the other day with Glenn Miller, how you know, this guy at the peak of his game who had just decided to essentially invent the USO and was going overseas to you know, bring cheer and joy to the troops, what motive would.

He have had to commit pseudo sides?

He have had to commit pseudo sides?

You know, I think the more likely scenario is that something went wrong and that his plane was accidentally shot down or was the you know, the victim of a of a malfunction of some kind.

You know, I think the more likely scenario is that something went wrong and that his plane was accidentally shot down or was the you know, the victim of a of a malfunction of some kind.

And I think that similarly the case here.

And I think that similarly the case here.

Yeah, but what if he never got into bed, that is, what did he do? You go out for a smoke, night.

Yeah, but what if he never got into bed, that is, what did he do? You go out for a smoke, night.

Walk, the night walk the deck on the deck did have insomnia, But then also, you know, there are no like cameras, there's no strict visitor log. So what if someone who happens to be a passenger or happens to be on the crew stops by, like just after the other folks go and knocks on the door.

Walk, the night walk the deck on the deck did have insomnia, But then also, you know, there are no like cameras, there's no strict visitor log. So what if someone who happens to be a passenger or happens to be on the crew stops by, like just after the other folks go and knocks on the door.

Let me rephrase, pseudo side to me in this case makes zero sense. What does make a lot of sense is that this guy could have been a target because of the power of his invention and what it might mean if he took it global.

Let me rephrase, pseudo side to me in this case makes zero sense. What does make a lot of sense is that this guy could have been a target because of the power of his invention and what it might mean if he took it global.

I'm just going to keep in mind the thought that we discussed where he gets taken somewhere else for some kind of military might effort, because to me, weirdly enough, that makes a lot of sense.

I'm just going to keep in mind the thought that we discussed where he gets taken somewhere else for some kind of military might effort, because to me, weirdly enough, that makes a lot of sense.

Right right, And also it's it's a nicer ending. It's kind of like it's kind of like when my parents told me our first dog went camping, right, So maybe that's what happened. Maybe maybe Diesel went went camping in Canada. But if you want to learn more about this case, which remains unsolved, by the way, check out the book The Mysterious Case of Rudolph Diesel by Douglas Brunt without spoiling it. He does not agree with the suicide conclusion of the authorities, and it's a heck of a read. I think they just made a deal for it to be adapted into maybe a film or a mini series or something, but keeping keep an eye out for that. And most importantly, please no, folks, he is not Diesel is not the only mysterious inventor we're discussing today. We're going to take a pause for a word from our sponsors, maybe a carburetor company, and then go to the story of tom Ogel. No, this is the name you were super excited about, so we can get back. Can we lean on your your German pronunciation today on this one I will deign to do you proud.

Right right, And also it's it's a nicer ending. It's kind of like it's kind of like when my parents told me our first dog went camping, right, So maybe that's what happened. Maybe maybe Diesel went went camping in Canada. But if you want to learn more about this case, which remains unsolved, by the way, check out the book The Mysterious Case of Rudolph Diesel by Douglas Brunt without spoiling it. He does not agree with the suicide conclusion of the authorities, and it's a heck of a read. I think they just made a deal for it to be adapted into maybe a film or a mini series or something, but keeping keep an eye out for that. And most importantly, please no, folks, he is not Diesel is not the only mysterious inventor we're discussing today. We're going to take a pause for a word from our sponsors, maybe a carburetor company, and then go to the story of tom Ogel. No, this is the name you were super excited about, so we can get back. Can we lean on your your German pronunciation today on this one I will deign to do you proud.

And we've returned and Ben, thank you so much for this opportunity to flex my young German boy pronunciation. Chops. Today we are going to talk about tom Ogel born Thomas Hans Vanna Peta Wolfgang Dingle Statt.

And we've returned and Ben, thank you so much for this opportunity to flex my young German boy pronunciation. Chops. Today we are going to talk about tom Ogel born Thomas Hans Vanna Peta Wolfgang Dingle Statt.

Ogel Okay dingle Stott.

Ogel Okay dingle Stott.

Though it makes that sounds made up, bro, have you. There's this amazing Monty Python sketch. It's about this composer whose name was too long. It was so long that it was just like absurd and the and that the joke becomes every time they say his name, they say the whole name, and it's a Johann Gamble, Putty, devon aus van splendent, Schlittish, Crossbender, fried Dingle, Dangle, Dongle, Dongle, Burstein, von Knacker, Thrasher, Applebanger, Horrowitz, tickle and sick, Grander, naughty, Speltinker, grand lik, Grumblemeyer, Spetwasser, curtly himbal Bissen, ban Vaughen, guten bend, bitter, Imnernberger, Bratwustel, Gushputten, mitt wach, Luber, hanswat gomberber shandanka krbufly like mitter von Olmo because he's he's from Olma. I'm sorry, it's I think honestly, that was maybe a joke based on this guy's name. Granted, there are many other absurdly long names in the German cannon, but yes, Thomas Hans Werner Petter Wolfgang Dingles dot Ogel was born in nineteen fifty three, truly his full name. Like Diesel, he invented a new kind of improvement for engines.

Though it makes that sounds made up, bro, have you. There's this amazing Monty Python sketch. It's about this composer whose name was too long. It was so long that it was just like absurd and the and that the joke becomes every time they say his name, they say the whole name, and it's a Johann Gamble, Putty, devon aus van splendent, Schlittish, Crossbender, fried Dingle, Dangle, Dongle, Dongle, Burstein, von Knacker, Thrasher, Applebanger, Horrowitz, tickle and sick, Grander, naughty, Speltinker, grand lik, Grumblemeyer, Spetwasser, curtly himbal Bissen, ban Vaughen, guten bend, bitter, Imnernberger, Bratwustel, Gushputten, mitt wach, Luber, hanswat gomberber shandanka krbufly like mitter von Olmo because he's he's from Olma. I'm sorry, it's I think honestly, that was maybe a joke based on this guy's name. Granted, there are many other absurdly long names in the German cannon, but yes, Thomas Hans Werner Petter Wolfgang Dingles dot Ogel was born in nineteen fifty three, truly his full name. Like Diesel, he invented a new kind of improvement for engines.

Yeah you'll hear it, called the ogol or Ogle engine. But what he really claimed to have invented was a modified alternative to the typical carburetor, and he was taking the carburetor out and using a series of things to kind of replace it. And in that replacement he was saying he drastically improved fuel economy. And what's more, he didn't have to build a special car to do it. He could do this with pretty much any car on the road that had a carburetor. And if you let him tinker to that earlier point with your otherwise normal car, all of a sudden, you would get two hundred miles per gallon of fuel.

Yeah you'll hear it, called the ogol or Ogle engine. But what he really claimed to have invented was a modified alternative to the typical carburetor, and he was taking the carburetor out and using a series of things to kind of replace it. And in that replacement he was saying he drastically improved fuel economy. And what's more, he didn't have to build a special car to do it. He could do this with pretty much any car on the road that had a carburetor. And if you let him tinker to that earlier point with your otherwise normal car, all of a sudden, you would get two hundred miles per gallon of fuel.

Oh, don't do that, don't do that. That sounds great, y'all, but the oil folks are going to perk their ears up real quick they hear that. At least was it in secret? And nobody knew about this at least?

Oh, don't do that, don't do that. That sounds great, y'all, but the oil folks are going to perk their ears up real quick they hear that. At least was it in secret? And nobody knew about this at least?

Oh no, they knew. They knew for sure because he got Thank you for that set up, Matty. He got a lot of media coverage in nineteen seventy nine or nineteen seventy seven. And it makes me to your example, it makes me think that somewhere in the board of Saudi Aramco, a guy stood up and said, there's a disturbance, you know.

Oh no, they knew. They knew for sure because he got Thank you for that set up, Matty. He got a lot of media coverage in nineteen seventy nine or nineteen seventy seven. And it makes me to your example, it makes me think that somewhere in the board of Saudi Aramco, a guy stood up and said, there's a disturbance, you know.

Yeah, he cannot allow this.

Yeah, he cannot allow this.

And in nineteen seventy seven, he's based in El Paso. He's a very young dude. Nineteen seventy seven, he drives to from El Paso to another town, New Mexico called Deming, and then he drives back and he only uses two gallons of gas. No, allegedly, And you can read like plenty of media coverage about this. He was open with it. And if any of that's true, it's a game changer. It would rock the auto and energy industries. People would need far less fuel. People would probably also have I don't know, the parts manufacturers, the car manufacturers, they would all be scrambling for this. And the guy is just twenty four years old at this time.

And in nineteen seventy seven, he's based in El Paso. He's a very young dude. Nineteen seventy seven, he drives to from El Paso to another town, New Mexico called Deming, and then he drives back and he only uses two gallons of gas. No, allegedly, And you can read like plenty of media coverage about this. He was open with it. And if any of that's true, it's a game changer. It would rock the auto and energy industries. People would need far less fuel. People would probably also have I don't know, the parts manufacturers, the car manufacturers, they would all be scrambling for this. And the guy is just twenty four years old at this time.

This is crazy. I can't believe like one hundred miles per gallon average, you know exactly. That's insane.

This is crazy. I can't believe like one hundred miles per gallon average, you know exactly. That's insane.

That's his claim.

That's his claim.

Yeah, okay, fair enough, fair enough. But he had applied for a patent, and while he was waiting for that patent to be approved, he continued to tinker and refine, you know, and test the system.

Yeah, okay, fair enough, fair enough. But he had applied for a patent, and while he was waiting for that patent to be approved, he continued to tinker and refine, you know, and test the system.

You know.

You know.

Kind of a gaggle of lawyers started to work on an agreement between Ogle and the folks backing him regarding royalties if the device were to kind of hit the market. And we are getting a lot of this information from a really fantastic piece by Cynthia Quavas, Isabelle Hernandez, and Ruth Viz at EPCC Library Research Guides.

Kind of a gaggle of lawyers started to work on an agreement between Ogle and the folks backing him regarding royalties if the device were to kind of hit the market. And we are getting a lot of this information from a really fantastic piece by Cynthia Quavas, Isabelle Hernandez, and Ruth Viz at EPCC Library Research Guides.

Oh yeah, yeah. This was solid work on their part and a great way if you want to if you want to get a sense of just the blow by blow of media coverage. This is a pretty comprehensive resource, So do check it out. I'm pretty impressed with the EPCC right now.

Oh yeah, yeah. This was solid work on their part and a great way if you want to if you want to get a sense of just the blow by blow of media coverage. This is a pretty comprehensive resource, So do check it out. I'm pretty impressed with the EPCC right now.

So dude, yeah, Ben, can I just stick on this original article from the old Passo Times that you linked use?

So dude, yeah, Ben, can I just stick on this original article from the old Passo Times that you linked use?

Yeah?

Yeah?

Yeah, this is it's just blowing my mind a little bit. So there's an article that was written in nineteen seventy seven about this by a man named John Dussard I think is how you say his name. This is about that trip we just discussed right where you got crazy gas mileage up here to show a journalist right it is. The vehicle is a Ford Galaxy that got around Gosh, the gas mileage was about twelve miles per gallon in that vehicle and he ten xt to that thing, if not like ten point four xt it.

Yeah, this is it's just blowing my mind a little bit. So there's an article that was written in nineteen seventy seven about this by a man named John Dussard I think is how you say his name. This is about that trip we just discussed right where you got crazy gas mileage up here to show a journalist right it is. The vehicle is a Ford Galaxy that got around Gosh, the gas mileage was about twelve miles per gallon in that vehicle and he ten xt to that thing, if not like ten point four xt it.

Like that.

Like that.

I just to really understand, if this is true, how intense of a shift that could have been if that engine, his system were made to go wide in any way.

I just to really understand, if this is true, how intense of a shift that could have been if that engine, his system were made to go wide in any way.

And officially, different reporters had examined this. Engineers in the area had talked with him. They said they thought it was legit. It wasn't a hoax. But as far as we know, there were no scientifically rigorous studies of this, of this Ocal engine. And that becomes a problem later because, look, the guy's very, very smart. He's clearly brilliant. He's also very young, and he's not making this in a vacuum. He's a gearhead who likes playing with stuff, and I think we can we've all experienced some form of that, you know, phenomenon. But he is creating this in the middle of the US energy crisis, and he gets a lot of interest from some high muckety MUCKs, at least one oil company, to auto manufact actors. At one point, even the US Air Force started poking around, because you know, fuel is expensive.

And officially, different reporters had examined this. Engineers in the area had talked with him. They said they thought it was legit. It wasn't a hoax. But as far as we know, there were no scientifically rigorous studies of this, of this Ocal engine. And that becomes a problem later because, look, the guy's very, very smart. He's clearly brilliant. He's also very young, and he's not making this in a vacuum. He's a gearhead who likes playing with stuff, and I think we can we've all experienced some form of that, you know, phenomenon. But he is creating this in the middle of the US energy crisis, and he gets a lot of interest from some high muckety MUCKs, at least one oil company, to auto manufact actors. At one point, even the US Air Force started poking around, because you know, fuel is expensive.

Yeah. So in June twenty second of nineteen seventy eight, El Paso Herald Post had this to say, Ogle sells rights to a gas saving device, and the article stated that the AFS Advanced Fuel Systems Incorporated rather, which is a company in Washington State, had bought the manufacturing and marketing rights to the technology, and the contract specified that Ogle would receive an unspecified amount of advance money, one hundred thousand shares of stock in the company, six percent royalty on sales of each device, a monthly salary, and the rights to visit AFS at will.

Yeah. So in June twenty second of nineteen seventy eight, El Paso Herald Post had this to say, Ogle sells rights to a gas saving device, and the article stated that the AFS Advanced Fuel Systems Incorporated rather, which is a company in Washington State, had bought the manufacturing and marketing rights to the technology, and the contract specified that Ogle would receive an unspecified amount of advance money, one hundred thousand shares of stock in the company, six percent royalty on sales of each device, a monthly salary, and the rights to visit AFS at will.

That's pretty sounds pretty solid. That's some island buying moneys are lucky.

That's pretty sounds pretty solid. That's some island buying moneys are lucky.

To get one of those, you know what I mean? Like, yeah, six percent on sale of every single device.

To get one of those, you know what I mean? Like, yeah, six percent on sale of every single device.

It sounds made up.

It sounds made up.

Frankly, guys, would that's a bad deal for the people actually making the stuff, you know what I mean?

Frankly, guys, would that's a bad deal for the people actually making the stuff, you know what I mean?

Speaking his segues, that might be more indicative of AFS because two months after they made this deal, which all three of us just agreed, is not very smart on their part. The SEC came calling and they said, hey, Advanced Fuel Systems, you guys make bad deals. As a matter of fact, you've done a criminally bad job. You have violated federal security laws. And then Ogel is also he's playing the field. He's got other stuff going on. He has created, He's taken some money, and he's created the first of what he hopes will be a chain of you call him computerized diagnostic centers. And before the year was out he closed down that one store he opened. He disconnected his phone, like Ning Lee. He became increasingly more difficult to find, and this weirded some people out, especially the irs, because in May of nineteen eighty, they came calling specifically for him, Tommy Boy. They said, you owe us more than twenty grand in taxes, because just like Rudolph Diesel, this dude's public image was not the same as the actual guy. He was living the high life young, you know, young mid twenties, dumb amounts of money or people offering you dumb amounts of money. He's got a customized limousine he rides everywhere in well.