From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A production of My Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my name is Noel. They called me Ben. We're joined as always with our super producer Paul. Mission control decands. Most importantly, you are you. You are here, and that makes this the stuff they don't want you to know. It is Thursday, if you are hearing this, the day it comes out, which means it is time for our weekly listener mail segment. We get into some very strange conversations, as you might imagine, fellow conspiracy realists, and this is our ongoing opportunity to bring some of those conversations to you. We're going to hear about a man allegedly from more than a thousand years in the future. We're going to hear some firsthand accounts about lucid dreaming techniques. It's always a so it's a subject of returning fascination on this show. And then we're also going to hear about something that I thought was a very um interesting I won't say neat but very interesting tie in to our earlier strange news last week about the harrowing Sophie's Choice situation various communities out west to found themselves in with dropping water and the need for electricity dropping water levels. I should say, so, what do you see? Guys? Should we start with some true crime, go to the edges of dream and then end in the future. That sounds like a good trajectory for our listener mail journey agreed? Then away we go. Uh. First, big, big thanks to Byron as well as Jasmine. Byron sent us an email Jasmine, you reached out. Uh, you reach out over social media artist friend of the show out in Vegas. And thank you to several anonymous people who asked not to be on air but wanted to communicate this story with our fellow listeners. So Byron's email just to set this up is short and sweet, and it's going to take us on a bit of a strange news conversation. Byron says simply, Hi, guys, have you been following the story about the bodies that are turning up at Lake Mead as the water level continues to drop, des might make a good addition to your Strange News segment Byron. Uh, you are absolutely right, sir, and you are so right that we were not waiting until next week to do this. We are going to explore it now for just a bit. And as we begin, I want to shout out Brian particularly. You have been a long time correspondent of the show. It's always a pleasure to hear from you. As we say, we do read every single email we get. And Uh, I don't know if we'll put on the air this time, but Byron, I was immensely fascinated by your story of dating the ultrasound specialist who was training with cadaverous body parts. The course that true love never did run smooth, as they say. But uh, but here we go. So this there's a story that started breaking about eight days or so as we record today on Tuesday, May ten. And this story concerns Lake Mead. I I don't know if you guys have ever been to Lake Mead. It's this reservoir formed by the Hoover Dam on the Colorado River, like we discussed in our Strange News story. It's out twenty four miles east of Vegas. As the crows fly, It's huge, it's the biggest reservoir in the US in terms of how much water it can hold, and as the water levels continued dropping, things started coming to the surface. Years ago, on Car Stuff, a friend of the show Scott Benjamin and I who are always sneaking in true crime true crime stories on our car show, Uh, we looked at the distressing number of vehicles, sometimes with bodies in them, that have been driven to and parked beneath lakes and mighty rivers all across the United States. There are a lot, so many that no one's sure exactly how prevalent it is for people to get and at Lake Burial. And that's something Lake Mead is confronting now. So well, what about what about bodies in barrels? Yes, yeah, you know why ruined a perfectly good car. So it was around May second a barrel was found in Lake Mead, revealed by the receding water. And this barrel had been underground or underwater excuse me, quite a long time. Uh, possibly as much as four decades, so it's been there since the eighties. This wasn't just an empty barrel, this contained a body and police who were investigating this suspect the person was murdered. They were a homicide victim, and they're guessing that based on other personal items they found in the barrel. At that point, they hadn't really talked about what those items may have been, but it was a steel barrel. It was near the Hemn Way, not Hemming Way, but Heman Way fishing pier. And they know that the victim probably died due to a gunshot wound based on what they could tell from the clothing. They said he was killed in maybe the early eighties, but maybe as far long ago as the nineteen seventies. And then they found a second body, this one perhaps without foul play at least that was the statement. I'm getting a lot of this, by the way, from some great reporting over on ABC News shout out to Bill Hutchinson. Also some fantastic commentary from the Vegas Local subreddit, or also just the Vegas at Large subreddit. And it's tough because right now we know that in at least one case, it appears someone murdered someone else and got away with it. That first body, again discovered on May one. I don't know. One of the first questions that I had, which I found the answer for in be reassuring is how does this affect water supply? Right? Dead bodies are dirty? Uh, could it pose a threat to the forty million so people who rely on water from the Colorado River and Lake Powell and Lake Mead. The answer is probably not, luckily, So there's that stuff gets treated. They don't just siphon the water directly out of the reservoir and they're like, drink this. Does this smell dead? Do you? Is your week to test the water? Let's just boil it and just to be safe, you know, it's just why why risk it? It is weird to think that that's been down there for that long, right, these bodies have been under the water for so long. Yeah. I started trying to find a little bit more information about this at this point as we're recording, I'm mainly seeing rumors, Uh, a lot of them hinging on. Vegas is earlier grimy days as a hotbed of organized crime, which, you know, just to be clear, in comparison to a lot of other cities, Vegas still has a ton of organized crime. You know, people are getting away with it. I thought it was mainly the desert though, or they like buried people, you know, and take them out of the desert, get him on their knees, shooting execution style. Do they make make them dig their own shallow grave? Is that? What? Come on? Wait? Wait, wait, where's our our respect for for the past? Let me quote in a response first before I says it is a tragedy. People are dead, someone got away. But let me quote in response a statement by former Las Vegas mayor Oscar Goodman the day after the discovery, he said, there's don't tell you what we'll find in Lake Mead. It's not a bad place to dump a body. Goodman, by the way, was a defense attorney known for representing mafia figures, including people like Tony or Anthony, Tony the Aunt Spilotro before he got elected as a mayor, who was known for love of martinis. He served three terms in Vegas. I'd love to see Tony the Aunt face off against Sammy the Bull, you know, like, uh, it seems like a really diminutive mafia nickname. You know that was he was? He just very tiny? What was this? How do you get a nickname like that? Do you have multiple limbs? Maybe two mandibles? Yeah, there you go. Uh yeah, that guy knows how many bodies. He knows a lot of bodies that are down there, and the boats and all the other stuff. The former mayor Goodman again said he followed up he was he was ready to talk about this. He said, you know, I can't speculate how many bodies might turn up in Lake Mead. That's he just said, I'm not going to speculate. And then he said I'm relatively sure it was not Jimmy Hoffa and uh yeah. And then he also noted that a lot of his former clients, I wasn't expecting this. A lot of his former clients from his mob attorning days were very interested in climate control, not a euphemism like fighting climate change. They were conservationists because they wanted to keep the level of the lake up and the bodies underwater. I thought climate control was just like you know, central heating and air, not for the mob. I guess you can do the right things for the wrong reasons, right. It's fair to naken and don't how many mini golf balls are at the bottom of lake mean, they're just regular golf balls from driving ranges, you know throughout the area. A lot of golf in in Vegas really think about that guy's I mean, you're right, but I'm sure there are a ton No. But like, the reason why we found these bodies is because the lake is receding from the sides right as it's going down to the deepest parts of the lake. If you know that you're dumping a body into a very deep reservoir slash lake, you're gonna try to dump it near the center, right the deepest part. What else is down there? I enjoined us see every club, you know, like everybody, but the birds in the trees and the lake. Of course, all these turbines they're killing the birds can't windower is bad news. Uh. It reminds me there's an episode of Sopranos where I forget who is I think it's Pouli and Christopher. They have to go dig up a body that they buried because there's gonna be a development built and they know it's gonna get discovered, and then they're gonna like, do you know, teeth and bone matching or whatever, and then they'll know. Uh. I forget why they knew they would get found out, but they literally had to go dig ut the body. And the funny thing in the scene is they got the body and the dude's fingernails have grown, and that's like, I don't know if this is true or not, but it was like, yeah, they keep growing after you're dead. Oh your your skin recedesies. Yeah that makes sense. Well, you know, Pauli and Christop aren't really known for being the brightest grounds in the box. And I obviously felt for the ruse as well. So thanks for it's a weird it's a weird fact to know. I would be careful how you deploy that one when you're, you know, on a first date or something. Maybe save that, save that for the third day, but for the wedding night. The wedding night, did I tell you about those fingernails? Honey, You're not gonna believe this on your biggest honeymoon. So let's get some context here. Since Lake Meat alone has dropped more than a hundred and seventy ft fifty two meters for everybody outside the US and forty million people rely on this across seven states in the Southwest, that source of water is down to about thirty percent of what it should be. It's got a third of the gas tank it's supposed to have, and this prompts people like Michael Green, who is a history professor at the University of Nevada, Las Vegas, to say, if the lake goes down much further is very possible We're gonna have some very interesting things surface. That is not what Dr Green sounds like. I'm just doing mob voices. Again. The people were mentioned, You're all very smart, they're very good at their jobs. It's just, you know, we're Sopranos fans, Godfather fans. It's it's fun to do a voice. Uh, It's kind of like from what what our friends in Vegas have told being directly and again thanks for reaching out, and from what I'm seeing in the news and from locals in the area, it appears that everybody is almost certain they're going to be more bodies found. Right now, there are just two. But as the lake continues to drain, and as that water level can and used to go lower and lower, Uh, they're probably there. There probably will be more things found. And you know, there's a concern that people have, rightly or wrongly historically about whether or not the p D in Las Vegas and surrounding areas, whether or not they're corrupt. It may interest you know that second body, one that is not considered to be a death as a result of foul play is not being investigated at this time. That's weird. They found a body, just not investigating unless the coroner says that something looks off. That's the one they found in the sandbar that was like, yeah, they thought it was that was an animal job oon at first. And there are some people who are posting rewards for divers to go try to find more barrels possibly containing bodies in the lake. Uh, And the National Park Service said they're these divers are not allowed to go snooping around in the lake, which would cause the more conspiratorially minded to say, hey, these guys are in on it maybe and uh, then we know that people like David Colemeyer, who was a former police officer and now a podcaster and host of a TV show called The Problem Solver Show. Uh. Coal Meyer said that he's heard from families of missing people and various cases of disappearances that might might indicate there are more bodies to be found there. He also said it's probably bigger than mob hits. This could just be a matter of bringing closure to grieving families, which I think we can all we can all support, but we're gonna we're gonna pause here in the meantime, if you were in the Vegas area, let us know how the locals are receiving this, let us know what you think is under the water, and uh, just reach out if you want to hear that car stuff episode about how many how many cars with bodies are found in lakes and rivers on a regular basis, can emphasize that enough conspiracy. I hear radio dot com one eight three three st d w y t K will take a break for a sponsor, will be right back, and we're back with more messages from you, the public, the conspiracy realists among you. Uh, and we got a real good one from Whorah. It's funny because Ben didn't Whura come up recently with a super producer, Max Williams of Ridiculous History fame. I think we were talking about, like, you know, he's interested in like three things, and one of them is like trains, one of them is such uh curling, the other one in star trek. Uh. And I mentioned to Whoa and I actually really proud of myself because I spelled her name correctly. Who are as obviously very important character in the Earthly What the original Star War Trek series, because there is a very early television interracial kiss that takes place between William Shatner and the actor who plays a Hura whose name is escaping Me. But that is neither here nor there. That is simply our listeners nickname, code name Hura who are writes to us about lucid dreaming and THHC, two things that I'm very interested in. Um, I hope all as well with everyone. I'm running In reference to a recent episode where cannabis use and its effects on dreams was mentioned. I'm thirty now and began dabbling in recreational marijuana use when I was eighteen. It started out slowly and quickly became a habit. Around twenty five and interest in lucid dreaming was sparked and I began to do exercises to achieve lucidity. I met my goal. A handful of time was ranged from changing the colors of the carpet in the room I was in, to looking into a mirror and altering my appearance until satisfaction, all of this while maintaining my now daily habit. UH every now and again, my edge will straighten, and I'll feel the urge to refrain from alcohol and THHC for a certain period and without fail, within about two nights of sobriety, my dreams take on a hyper realistic and malleable form. Otherwise I feel my dreams are the hazy, daisy and scattered norm long story short, Yes, Mary, Jane, most definitely has an effect on dreams and how vivid they may be. I know lucid dreaming was a sidestep you had mentioned, and Noel had said he was interested in the idea of lucid dreaming. A couple of the ways to encourage this uh is the following one. Check the clock often in your awake hours, look away and back again up to three times. This will get you into the habit of checking the time and will eventually seep into your subconscious mind. If you are dreaming, the time will change drastically between glances, or may say an impossible sequence of numbers one oh one fifteen am, for example, during your awake hours, attempt to push your pointer finger through the opposite hands palm. Obviously, you couldn't if you're awake, but if you are dreaming, you will be able to it's kind of like the spinning top and inception guys. Um, it's the idea of like a test of some kind to determine whether you're incepted or not, or in this case, just dreaming. Three fall asleep to a mantra about gaining lucidity while dreaming. I've heard this one before. Tonight, while dreaming, I will realize I am dreaming and gain control of my dream experience. That sounds awesome. Uh. These examples have worked for me personally. While checking back on a clock in a dream, the hands of the clock began to spin frantically, alerting me to my dream state. Another time, I was having what I would call a nightmare in which my apartment was being fired upon and overtaken. I didn't want it to be real, so I tried to push my finger through my palm and low and behold. My palms stretched like putty, protruding from the pressure of my finger, allowing me to stop the bullets heading for me midair and escape easily to safety. Crying laughing emoji. I do apologize for my rambling, please, So this is wonderful, wonderful stuff. Um, I've been meaning to reach out. I listened to you all almost every day as I am able to listen while I work. I thoroughly enjoy your thoughtful and interesting, very individual perspectives. I often look forward to sharing topics you have covered with my partner and friends. Live long and prosper uh spock finger emoji who are out? Uh planetary emojis. Um, these are so cool. I think we've all heard a couple of these, but like the clock one is so neat Um. The idea of kind of checking yourself to see how much time has passed like the closest analog to that that I can think of. I haven't done the clock thing, but like, I'm really bad at sleeping on planes, and I know, no, it's not the easiest thing in the world to do. But I can usually tell when I've fallen asleep by like waking up during a movie that's playing and then realizing that I've like half remembered some of the plot, because I have this habit where I if I fall asleep during a movie, I will still sort of know what's going on. I never fully fall asleep, and I'm sort of like experiencing it in the background, sort of like white noise is um, and then I'll wake up and I'll sort of have a sense of what's going on, but I'll realize some time has passed and I've missed some little, you know, in between details, like some some things that kind of connected a few things. But I understand generally where what's happening in the movie. I don't never feel completely lost or that I've missed some you know, big moment um. I don't know, guys, did any of these in particular resonate with you. I know that the THHC element was yeah, for sure, Yeah, because I do. I did a lot of research in the lucid dreaming in the past. But I will share one funny story again, not to uh center myself too much, but one one thing that I thought would give everybody a chuckle. I thought I was lucid dreaming a couple of times in real life. Uh one time in particular. Not gonna disclose the circumstances that led to my befuddlement here, fellow conspiracy realist, But I stared at the clock on my oven for about eight very confused minutes one early after noon before I realized that four seventy five is a temperature, not a time, and that's and I was indeed awake. You can blur the lines, you know. Polyphasic sleeping can help with lucid dreaming too. But you're one oh one, that one am reference that really hit for you, like you basically experienced that exact thing. There's no four D and twenty seven o'clock. That's awesome. Well I I yeah, I had forgotten that I an earlier version of me a few minutes ago. I had decided to cook something, which was a bad idea. Give me my mental circumstances at the time, that's the best way to put it diplomatically. But yeah, an areo nuts dream Astronauts. I love it. I do this stuff all really, jeez. I've really bruised up the center of my palms since we started the segment. I've been trying to get my finger through there, but it's just not working. No, no, no, the test is working, tests working. I love that one. Yeah, that again, there's probably that. That's I think that must be a personal version of like any kind of check you can do, like like I was saying in the inception with the spinning top, but you can't really spin a top if you're in bed and that requires a little too much awareness to lean over and pick up an object. And this is something you can do just right there without having to move too much. Um, that's really cool. I really want to try some of these. I don't know that I'm personally disciplined enough to train myself to do this, but I'm gonna damn well try um, because I really do want to be It would be such a cool superpower to be able to control this stuff. And I think, you know, what do you guys think is the is the jury still out on the science of this, Like is it are there experts that can just do this and we know they can? Or is there some like yeah, sure, like you know, maybe you can or maybe you can't. There is a way so you can. You can tell a little bit, right, We can use um, we can use that of people's brain waves to figure out what part of the sleep cycle they're in. Uh. And we know that there seems to be UM, I have to look back into this little bit more, but we we know that there are key changes in the brain that are responsible for certain states that are indicative of dreaming. Not just looking at someone's eyes moved rapidly, but one thing that may help help you know as well as anybody who wants to try a kind of a crash course in this is UH. First, you're gonna want to limit your UH intake of intoxicants, and that doesn't just mean like alcohol or marijuana or whatever your vices. That also means stuff like UH stimulants like caffeine limited. Dial it back as you can, and then I would recommend trying the wake back to bed method. I used to do this a lot. You set your alarm for maybe a couple of hours after after you initially go to sleep, and then when you wake up, just hang out for a few minutes and then go back to sleep, and you're more likely to have a lucid dream, or you will if you regularly engage with this, And that's that's part of the reason, by the way that people sometimes you know, if you've ever had a really intense dream or a nightmare, if you've ever woken up and said, I can't go back to sleep because I'm gonna be right back there and that felt too real for me. That guy was eating people's teeth and I'm just gonna wait until dawn or I'm gonna play tetris or something. Uh. That's part of the idea here is that when you're waking up for very short amount of time, you're not all the way awake, and in that dream wake sleep that gray border between the two and that's where you encounter um lucid dreaming stuff. So that might work. You want me like text you at three am and say it's an emergency and then wait five minutes ago. Never mind, Now I get all this stuff. Now this is this is really really fast, and I'm gonna try some of these methods, uh, starting tonight. But I guess the the takeaway here though, And this was a follow up, so I can't remember exactly when we talked about it, but was just the idea it was. I think it was a study about how marijuana affects sleep cycles, and like the discussion over what happens when you stop and how can make your dreams really like bonkers and how when you're stoned it doesn't necessarily mean you're gonna have psychedelic dreams. It's more when you stop that you have these out there dreams. It wasn't yeah, it wasn't long ago. Uh, but yeah, you can go back and listen to that episode. I believe it was also a listener mail. We got a lot of responses about this. Actually a lot of you. When you stop smoking marijuana, you have crazy dreams. So congratulations. Uh it sounds like maybe we all tried the experiment. Yeah no, n not yet. One day. I'm working on it. Fair enough, guys, throw me under the bus. Oh man, I was just looking up an article about the study behind this that we reference, and an ad came up for the Forever spin top made in Canada. They're these like really pricey bespoke little tops. They're like really really like heavy and fancy steel, are different alloys and stuff like couples apiece. But that's just so funny. Is the Internet listening to me? Probably? Uh? But in the meantime, while we sort that out, let's take a quick break and then come back with some more letters from you. And we're back, and we are jumping to an email titled the Man from thirty nine oh six a d. It comes to us via Chance a k A Lost Lizard, and it goes like this, Hey, guys, my name is Chance. You can use my name. I was wondering if you've ever covered the man who went to thirty nine oh six a D and came back to tell the tale. I've gone back through the catalog and could not find Paul Amadeus d Knock D I E N A c H in any past episodes. Maybe my checking skills suck. Anyways, there is an s there. Anyways, Here's the story of a man named Paul Amadeus di Nuck, a Swiss Austrian who in the early nineteen twenties spent a whole year in a coma due to encephalitis lethargica. Upon awakening, he moves to Greece to pursue a better work and better living conditions. And here is where he catalogs his experience he had throughout his coma, claiming his spirit get this was transferred to someone in the year thirty nine oh six a D. Again, that's from the nineteen twenties. Um carefully and then he carefully detailed the events that occurred during his coma in a diary. Topics range from two years of work service, to the new species of humans that evolve in the future, to the populating and eventual catastrophe that occurs on Mars. Dinock records his experiences in his personal diary, translated later by one of his students, George p who was a professor of law and a rector of pen Panteon University in Greece. I'm not sure how to say that the writing was also in the hands of the Freemasons at one point, oh boy, and regarded as a law to some degree. Now he gives us the title of a book here Chronicles from the Future. The Amazing Story of Paul Amadeus Dinock is the book, and it can be found easily online on Amazon. I can confirm you can find it right now, both there and on good Reads. I'm still currently reading through it, but I'm excited to unfold everything that I briefly learned about his detail and somewhat fortune telling is all too real and accurate, especially the idea of humans populating Mars as I believe that idea wasn't really a quote hot topic in the nineteen twenties. Well yeah, well we'll get it. I saw you, ben, We'll get into that. Um uh, that's when he was alive. Nonetheless, maybe you guys can unfold the truths that lie beneath the surface of Dino's account. Regardless, it's a dope story. Wow, I really should have read more of your email in a Boston accent. Chance, I apologize. Well, guys, Chance gave us something here that I had never heard about. I think, Ben I I'm surprised this has never come across my desk. I'm wondering if maybe it has. And I put it away for some reason because this book has been out since nineteen seventy three. Yeah, I haven't this is this is new to me as well. I was able to do just a little bit of reading. I'm probably going to pick up the book just because I think that kind of stuff is fascinating. Uh, But I right now, I'm just astonished a Chance you did us a tremendous favor because I think this was something that's new to all three of us. It does remind me of a conversation, kind of a life hack conversation I've seen before where someone says, if you're going to make something up, and I'm not saying I'm not saying this guy is, if you're gonna make something up, be very specific, So don't say I was transported to the year three thousand, say three thousand, nine oh six just that time. But he had a lot of it far enough in the future's nobody who's living right now can fact check. Yeah, don't even if it seems like a safe lie. Don't come back and say I was in the year and the Patriots one or something like that. You know, even it's the statistics seem on your side. It's a dangerous game. And this is not to be dismissive of this, because again, I don't think any of the three of us have read this account yet. I'd be really interested to know how it was curated. If it's just published, you know, in seventy three by his friend Papa Chatz is uh, with minimal editing, or if it was kind of you know, like the way the stories about men in Black got shaped by successive sort of again curators of a story, if not original authors. Uh. And there are a couple of really great breadcrumbs in here, and chance, I hope you agree, one of one of which is the question about a new evolution of human beings. Darwin tells us that up until very recently, that kind of speciation took much much longer. Right, so, a lot of a lot of our academics and signed tistem biologists in the crowd are going to be saying, well, even two thousand years isn't really enough time for a lot of stuff to happen, unless there's like a bottleneck or a near extinction event stuff like that. But what's interesting here, I would say, is that it is possible, where it will be possible soon to use genetic engineering to create humans that are you know, if ethics don't get in the way, they're very different from the people who are listening to this show in two So so that is actually possible, And he wouldn't have known about genetic engineering at this point, absolutely not. Um Also the way in which we will leave, they're currently steps being taken to integrate humans and technology. But you know we've talked we talked about that on the show as well, Like the integration of technology into the human body could also create some other form of human depending on how we go about that, especially if you combine that with genetic engineering. I mean, my goodness, we could look and feel very differently in the future. So, guys, I haven't had time to actually like fact check a lot of this stuff. I know that a lot of the things that supposedly have occurred, at least according to a reddit thread have not occurred that were predicted within this book. Um. There you can read up on. I think it's the sub reddit the o A. Do you guys remember the show The A? And in there there is a post from two years ago titled I Guess Dimensional Travel is real? The Paul Dinack story. And within here, it's just got some interesting discussions, some interesting points, and there are several people in there. It's not a huge thread, by the way. There are several people in there just pointing out a list of things that that were predicted, I suppose, and the dates associated with the um. And it is done in a way, guys that it feels like if you wanted to believe it, you could put your you know, you could put your belief into it. But most of it is so specific and not exactly that that it is just kind of like whoever wrote this story, you know, was kind of shooting in the dark. UM. But it is worth I think it's worth us going over maybe in more detail at some point. I have not read the book, just like you been, but I'm interested. I don't know, what do you think is it worth us diving into any further? I mean, we could definitely not just look at this, but we could look at other similar claims of people who have who who believe that they have somehow gained knowledge about the future and shared it with their version of the present. Uh, there's some interesting research we could do about the state of consciousness during and comatose period and what it means to come back. We could also, I don't know, we could look at the nature of belief here. I am going to get this book, by the way. I think it's an excellent recommendation. I'm always looking for stuff to read. But but one of the things that I think it's really important for us to emphasize whenever we talk about this stuff is that none of what we are saying means that this guy was actively trying to deceive people. He may genuinely have believed it all to be true, right, So we're not accusing him as Shenanigans at this point. No. I mean, maybe it was an incredible dream like state that he experienced, right, And the way we were discussing lucid dreams prior to this, When when you're in those states, it is very difficult if you're not trained to know if you're actually living and experiencing something or not. That's what makes nightmares so terrifying. Yeah, I mean, maybe there's something there. Maybe there's something we just currently don't understand that big s science doesn't understand about consciousness. There's a lot we don't understand about consciousness. But you know, whether or not it's transferable, whether or not you know it can travel fifth dimensionally or whatever we want to call time travel for that is that the fourth dimension? I'm sorry, guys, Uh, we don't. You know, we're unaware because we've never been able to see it or tested in that way yet. But who knows. What if it's impossible future or an alternate future. Maybe he saw a future, but just not this timelines. I think logically all of us can assume that once humanity gets to Mars, we're gonna mess the place up even further. Some stuff is gonna go wrong, and then we'll need to go to another planet right eventually, not saying immediately, Uh, but we'll probably do similarly what we did to Earth to Mars or no. No, no, that's that's why type man, that's what's happening. I don't know how else we would do it. I guess that's what I'm saying. Yeah, I think it's fascinating. Though it's it's worth uh, it's worth exploring the possibilities because this is not necessarily a unique case. I would imagine maybe the specific specificity of the year is and the claims, but this kind of experience an epiphany during times of great mental turmoil, it happens. That's, you know, part of the reason profits are quoted in religious works. All right, again, we have not read this book. We're gonna readview some of the things that are supposedly contained within it. According to a Reddit thread, look how good at journalism we are? Okay, So here's here's just a bulleted list. We can go down these. According to the book, in the future humans have regular contact with some form of aliens. In the future, humans are harvesting quote, gravitational energy. I don't know what that interesting. I don't know what gravitational energy is. I've only seen that like some sci fi the idea of like harvesting that kind of energy. Maybe an interstellar I can't remember something that gravitational waves. Maybe, but I don't know how there would be enough energy there for us to Maybe I'm just science stupid. I I perhaps I am. I'm not sure, but according to this thread again about this book, in the future, we are traveling as humans through spiritual energy and we can physically see souls go out come in. Apparently in the future, all medication that you would normally get for something that is wrong with you is replaced instead with meditation. Got it? Uh? Using that soul stuff like this next one a bunch of new age crap. That's a fun one. That's kind of a catch all. And prefer a little more specificity there, but I can dig it like no age crap. The sequel. Yeah, it's interesting that this person, you know, this tale is supposedly recorded in these journals between nineteen twenty two and ninety four, because this person that is being written about only lived two years after he awoke from the coma that he was in, and then it was published in nineteen seventy three. So if there was any styling done on this book or the translation of it from because it was translated in different languages, Uh, some weirdness could have happened through all of those processes, the translating than the publishing. Given fifty years anyway, weird stuff here, guys, I guess right in. Tell us what you think about this. We want to hear from you, yeah, right in, especially if you're from the future. Uh tell us how how the book is doing over there? And if you like books, I guess we kind of have one from from the future or it's coming out in the future. Uh stuff. They want you to know the book. We love it. If you preorder it, then we'd love it even more. 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From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A production of My Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my name is Noel. They called me Ben. We're joined as always with our super producer Paul. Mission control decands. Most importantly, you are you. You are here, and that makes this the stuff they don't want you to know. It is Thursday, if you are hearing this, the day it comes out, which means it is time for our weekly listener mail segment. We get into some very strange conversations, as you might imagine, fellow conspiracy realists, and this is our ongoing opportunity to bring some of those conversations to you. We're going to hear about a man allegedly from more than a thousand years in the future. We're going to hear some firsthand accounts about lucid dreaming techniques. It's always a so it's a subject of returning fascination on this show. And then we're also going to hear about something that I thought was a very um interesting I won't say neat but very interesting tie in to our earlier strange news last week about the harrowing Sophie's Choice situation various communities out west to found themselves in with dropping water and the need for electricity dropping water levels. I should say, so, what do you see? Guys? Should we start with some true crime, go to the edges of dream and then end in the future. That sounds like a good trajectory for our listener mail journey agreed? Then away we go. Uh. First, big, big thanks to Byron as well as Jasmine. Byron sent us an email Jasmine, you reached out. Uh, you reach out over social media artist friend of the show out in Vegas. And thank you to several anonymous people who asked not to be on air but wanted to communicate this story with our fellow listeners. So Byron's email just to set this up is short and sweet, and it's going to take us on a bit of a strange news conversation. Byron says simply, Hi, guys, have you been following the story about the bodies that are turning up at Lake Mead as the water level continues to drop, des might make a good addition to your Strange News segment Byron. Uh, you are absolutely right, sir, and you are so right that we were not waiting until next week to do this. We are going to explore it now for just a bit. And as we begin, I want to shout out Brian particularly. You have been a long time correspondent of the show. It's always a pleasure to hear from you. As we say, we do read every single email we get. And Uh, I don't know if we'll put on the air this time, but Byron, I was immensely fascinated by your story of dating the ultrasound specialist who was training with cadaverous body parts. The course that true love never did run smooth, as they say. But uh, but here we go. So this there's a story that started breaking about eight days or so as we record today on Tuesday, May ten. And this story concerns Lake Mead. I I don't know if you guys have ever been to Lake Mead. It's this reservoir formed by the Hoover Dam on the Colorado River, like we discussed in our Strange News story. It's out twenty four miles east of Vegas. As the crows fly, It's huge, it's the biggest reservoir in the US in terms of how much water it can hold, and as the water levels continued dropping, things started coming to the surface. Years ago, on Car Stuff, a friend of the show Scott Benjamin and I who are always sneaking in true crime true crime stories on our car show, Uh, we looked at the distressing number of vehicles, sometimes with bodies in them, that have been driven to and parked beneath lakes and mighty rivers all across the United States. There are a lot, so many that no one's sure exactly how prevalent it is for people to get and at Lake Burial. And that's something Lake Mead is confronting now. So well, what about what about bodies in barrels? Yes, yeah, you know why ruined a perfectly good car. So it was around May second a barrel was found in Lake Mead, revealed by the receding water. And this barrel had been underground or underwater excuse me, quite a long time. Uh, possibly as much as four decades, so it's been there since the eighties. This wasn't just an empty barrel, this contained a body and police who were investigating this suspect the person was murdered. They were a homicide victim, and they're guessing that based on other personal items they found in the barrel. At that point, they hadn't really talked about what those items may have been, but it was a steel barrel. It was near the Hemn Way, not Hemming Way, but Heman Way fishing pier. And they know that the victim probably died due to a gunshot wound based on what they could tell from the clothing. They said he was killed in maybe the early eighties, but maybe as far long ago as the nineteen seventies. And then they found a second body, this one perhaps without foul play at least that was the statement. I'm getting a lot of this, by the way, from some great reporting over on ABC News shout out to Bill Hutchinson. Also some fantastic commentary from the Vegas Local subreddit, or also just the Vegas at Large subreddit. And it's tough because right now we know that in at least one case, it appears someone murdered someone else and got away with it. That first body, again discovered on May one. I don't know. One of the first questions that I had, which I found the answer for in be reassuring is how does this affect water supply? Right? Dead bodies are dirty? Uh, could it pose a threat to the forty million so people who rely on water from the Colorado River and Lake Powell and Lake Mead. The answer is probably not, luckily, So there's that stuff gets treated. They don't just siphon the water directly out of the reservoir and they're like, drink this. Does this smell dead? Do you? Is your week to test the water? Let's just boil it and just to be safe, you know, it's just why why risk it? It is weird to think that that's been down there for that long, right, these bodies have been under the water for so long. Yeah. I started trying to find a little bit more information about this at this point as we're recording, I'm mainly seeing rumors, Uh, a lot of them hinging on. Vegas is earlier grimy days as a hotbed of organized crime, which, you know, just to be clear, in comparison to a lot of other cities, Vegas still has a ton of organized crime. You know, people are getting away with it. I thought it was mainly the desert though, or they like buried people, you know, and take them out of the desert, get him on their knees, shooting execution style. Do they make make them dig their own shallow grave? Is that? What? Come on? Wait? Wait, wait, where's our our respect for for the past? Let me quote in a response first before I says it is a tragedy. People are dead, someone got away. But let me quote in response a statement by former Las Vegas mayor Oscar Goodman the day after the discovery, he said, there's don't tell you what we'll find in Lake Mead. It's not a bad place to dump a body. Goodman, by the way, was a defense attorney known for representing mafia figures, including people like Tony or Anthony, Tony the Aunt Spilotro before he got elected as a mayor, who was known for love of martinis. He served three terms in Vegas. I'd love to see Tony the Aunt face off against Sammy the Bull, you know, like, uh, it seems like a really diminutive mafia nickname. You know that was he was? He just very tiny? What was this? How do you get a nickname like that? Do you have multiple limbs? Maybe two mandibles? Yeah, there you go. Uh yeah, that guy knows how many bodies. He knows a lot of bodies that are down there, and the boats and all the other stuff. The former mayor Goodman again said he followed up he was he was ready to talk about this. He said, you know, I can't speculate how many bodies might turn up in Lake Mead. That's he just said, I'm not going to speculate. And then he said I'm relatively sure it was not Jimmy Hoffa and uh yeah. And then he also noted that a lot of his former clients, I wasn't expecting this. A lot of his former clients from his mob attorning days were very interested in climate control, not a euphemism like fighting climate change. They were conservationists because they wanted to keep the level of the lake up and the bodies underwater. I thought climate control was just like you know, central heating and air, not for the mob. I guess you can do the right things for the wrong reasons, right. It's fair to naken and don't how many mini golf balls are at the bottom of lake mean, they're just regular golf balls from driving ranges, you know throughout the area. A lot of golf in in Vegas really think about that guy's I mean, you're right, but I'm sure there are a ton No. But like, the reason why we found these bodies is because the lake is receding from the sides right as it's going down to the deepest parts of the lake. If you know that you're dumping a body into a very deep reservoir slash lake, you're gonna try to dump it near the center, right the deepest part. What else is down there? I enjoined us see every club, you know, like everybody, but the birds in the trees and the lake. Of course, all these turbines they're killing the birds can't windower is bad news. Uh. It reminds me there's an episode of Sopranos where I forget who is I think it's Pouli and Christopher. They have to go dig up a body that they buried because there's gonna be a development built and they know it's gonna get discovered, and then they're gonna like, do you know, teeth and bone matching or whatever, and then they'll know. Uh. I forget why they knew they would get found out, but they literally had to go dig ut the body. And the funny thing in the scene is they got the body and the dude's fingernails have grown, and that's like, I don't know if this is true or not, but it was like, yeah, they keep growing after you're dead. Oh your your skin recedesies. Yeah that makes sense. Well, you know, Pauli and Christop aren't really known for being the brightest grounds in the box. And I obviously felt for the ruse as well. So thanks for it's a weird it's a weird fact to know. I would be careful how you deploy that one when you're, you know, on a first date or something. Maybe save that, save that for the third day, but for the wedding night. The wedding night, did I tell you about those fingernails? Honey, You're not gonna believe this on your biggest honeymoon. So let's get some context here. Since Lake Meat alone has dropped more than a hundred and seventy ft fifty two meters for everybody outside the US and forty million people rely on this across seven states in the Southwest, that source of water is down to about thirty percent of what it should be. It's got a third of the gas tank it's supposed to have, and this prompts people like Michael Green, who is a history professor at the University of Nevada, Las Vegas, to say, if the lake goes down much further is very possible We're gonna have some very interesting things surface. That is not what Dr Green sounds like. I'm just doing mob voices. Again. The people were mentioned, You're all very smart, they're very good at their jobs. It's just, you know, we're Sopranos fans, Godfather fans. It's it's fun to do a voice. Uh, It's kind of like from what what our friends in Vegas have told being directly and again thanks for reaching out, and from what I'm seeing in the news and from locals in the area, it appears that everybody is almost certain they're going to be more bodies found. Right now, there are just two. But as the lake continues to drain, and as that water level can and used to go lower and lower, Uh, they're probably there. There probably will be more things found. And you know, there's a concern that people have, rightly or wrongly historically about whether or not the p D in Las Vegas and surrounding areas, whether or not they're corrupt. It may interest you know that second body, one that is not considered to be a death as a result of foul play is not being investigated at this time. That's weird. They found a body, just not investigating unless the coroner says that something looks off. That's the one they found in the sandbar that was like, yeah, they thought it was that was an animal job oon at first. And there are some people who are posting rewards for divers to go try to find more barrels possibly containing bodies in the lake. Uh, And the National Park Service said they're these divers are not allowed to go snooping around in the lake, which would cause the more conspiratorially minded to say, hey, these guys are in on it maybe and uh, then we know that people like David Colemeyer, who was a former police officer and now a podcaster and host of a TV show called The Problem Solver Show. Uh. Coal Meyer said that he's heard from families of missing people and various cases of disappearances that might might indicate there are more bodies to be found there. He also said it's probably bigger than mob hits. This could just be a matter of bringing closure to grieving families, which I think we can all we can all support, but we're gonna we're gonna pause here in the meantime, if you were in the Vegas area, let us know how the locals are receiving this, let us know what you think is under the water, and uh, just reach out if you want to hear that car stuff episode about how many how many cars with bodies are found in lakes and rivers on a regular basis, can emphasize that enough conspiracy. I hear radio dot com one eight three three st d w y t K will take a break for a sponsor, will be right back, and we're back with more messages from you, the public, the conspiracy realists among you. Uh, and we got a real good one from Whorah. It's funny because Ben didn't Whura come up recently with a super producer, Max Williams of Ridiculous History fame. I think we were talking about, like, you know, he's interested in like three things, and one of them is like trains, one of them is such uh curling, the other one in star trek. Uh. And I mentioned to Whoa and I actually really proud of myself because I spelled her name correctly. Who are as obviously very important character in the Earthly What the original Star War Trek series, because there is a very early television interracial kiss that takes place between William Shatner and the actor who plays a Hura whose name is escaping Me. But that is neither here nor there. That is simply our listeners nickname, code name Hura who are writes to us about lucid dreaming and THHC, two things that I'm very interested in. Um, I hope all as well with everyone. I'm running In reference to a recent episode where cannabis use and its effects on dreams was mentioned. I'm thirty now and began dabbling in recreational marijuana use when I was eighteen. It started out slowly and quickly became a habit. Around twenty five and interest in lucid dreaming was sparked and I began to do exercises to achieve lucidity. I met my goal. A handful of time was ranged from changing the colors of the carpet in the room I was in, to looking into a mirror and altering my appearance until satisfaction, all of this while maintaining my now daily habit. UH every now and again, my edge will straighten, and I'll feel the urge to refrain from alcohol and THHC for a certain period and without fail, within about two nights of sobriety, my dreams take on a hyper realistic and malleable form. Otherwise I feel my dreams are the hazy, daisy and scattered norm long story short, Yes, Mary, Jane, most definitely has an effect on dreams and how vivid they may be. I know lucid dreaming was a sidestep you had mentioned, and Noel had said he was interested in the idea of lucid dreaming. A couple of the ways to encourage this uh is the following one. Check the clock often in your awake hours, look away and back again up to three times. This will get you into the habit of checking the time and will eventually seep into your subconscious mind. If you are dreaming, the time will change drastically between glances, or may say an impossible sequence of numbers one oh one fifteen am, for example, during your awake hours, attempt to push your pointer finger through the opposite hands palm. Obviously, you couldn't if you're awake, but if you are dreaming, you will be able to it's kind of like the spinning top and inception guys. Um, it's the idea of like a test of some kind to determine whether you're incepted or not, or in this case, just dreaming. Three fall asleep to a mantra about gaining lucidity while dreaming. I've heard this one before. Tonight, while dreaming, I will realize I am dreaming and gain control of my dream experience. That sounds awesome. Uh. These examples have worked for me personally. While checking back on a clock in a dream, the hands of the clock began to spin frantically, alerting me to my dream state. Another time, I was having what I would call a nightmare in which my apartment was being fired upon and overtaken. I didn't want it to be real, so I tried to push my finger through my palm and low and behold. My palms stretched like putty, protruding from the pressure of my finger, allowing me to stop the bullets heading for me midair and escape easily to safety. Crying laughing emoji. I do apologize for my rambling, please, So this is wonderful, wonderful stuff. Um, I've been meaning to reach out. I listened to you all almost every day as I am able to listen while I work. I thoroughly enjoy your thoughtful and interesting, very individual perspectives. I often look forward to sharing topics you have covered with my partner and friends. Live long and prosper uh spock finger emoji who are out? Uh planetary emojis. Um, these are so cool. I think we've all heard a couple of these, but like the clock one is so neat Um. The idea of kind of checking yourself to see how much time has passed like the closest analog to that that I can think of. I haven't done the clock thing, but like, I'm really bad at sleeping on planes, and I know, no, it's not the easiest thing in the world to do. But I can usually tell when I've fallen asleep by like waking up during a movie that's playing and then realizing that I've like half remembered some of the plot, because I have this habit where I if I fall asleep during a movie, I will still sort of know what's going on. I never fully fall asleep, and I'm sort of like experiencing it in the background, sort of like white noise is um, and then I'll wake up and I'll sort of have a sense of what's going on, but I'll realize some time has passed and I've missed some little, you know, in between details, like some some things that kind of connected a few things. But I understand generally where what's happening in the movie. I don't never feel completely lost or that I've missed some you know, big moment um. I don't know, guys, did any of these in particular resonate with you. I know that the THHC element was yeah, for sure, Yeah, because I do. I did a lot of research in the lucid dreaming in the past. But I will share one funny story again, not to uh center myself too much, but one one thing that I thought would give everybody a chuckle. I thought I was lucid dreaming a couple of times in real life. Uh one time in particular. Not gonna disclose the circumstances that led to my befuddlement here, fellow conspiracy realist, But I stared at the clock on my oven for about eight very confused minutes one early after noon before I realized that four seventy five is a temperature, not a time, and that's and I was indeed awake. You can blur the lines, you know. Polyphasic sleeping can help with lucid dreaming too. But you're one oh one, that one am reference that really hit for you, like you basically experienced that exact thing. There's no four D and twenty seven o'clock. That's awesome. Well I I yeah, I had forgotten that I an earlier version of me a few minutes ago. I had decided to cook something, which was a bad idea. Give me my mental circumstances at the time, that's the best way to put it diplomatically. But yeah, an areo nuts dream Astronauts. I love it. I do this stuff all really, jeez. I've really bruised up the center of my palms since we started the segment. I've been trying to get my finger through there, but it's just not working. No, no, no, the test is working, tests working. I love that one. Yeah, that again, there's probably that. That's I think that must be a personal version of like any kind of check you can do, like like I was saying in the inception with the spinning top, but you can't really spin a top if you're in bed and that requires a little too much awareness to lean over and pick up an object. And this is something you can do just right there without having to move too much. Um, that's really cool. I really want to try some of these. I don't know that I'm personally disciplined enough to train myself to do this, but I'm gonna damn well try um, because I really do want to be It would be such a cool superpower to be able to control this stuff. And I think, you know, what do you guys think is the is the jury still out on the science of this, Like is it are there experts that can just do this and we know they can? Or is there some like yeah, sure, like you know, maybe you can or maybe you can't. There is a way so you can. You can tell a little bit, right, We can use um, we can use that of people's brain waves to figure out what part of the sleep cycle they're in. Uh. And we know that there seems to be UM, I have to look back into this little bit more, but we we know that there are key changes in the brain that are responsible for certain states that are indicative of dreaming. Not just looking at someone's eyes moved rapidly, but one thing that may help help you know as well as anybody who wants to try a kind of a crash course in this is UH. First, you're gonna want to limit your UH intake of intoxicants, and that doesn't just mean like alcohol or marijuana or whatever your vices. That also means stuff like UH stimulants like caffeine limited. Dial it back as you can, and then I would recommend trying the wake back to bed method. I used to do this a lot. You set your alarm for maybe a couple of hours after after you initially go to sleep, and then when you wake up, just hang out for a few minutes and then go back to sleep, and you're more likely to have a lucid dream, or you will if you regularly engage with this, And that's that's part of the reason, by the way that people sometimes you know, if you've ever had a really intense dream or a nightmare, if you've ever woken up and said, I can't go back to sleep because I'm gonna be right back there and that felt too real for me. That guy was eating people's teeth and I'm just gonna wait until dawn or I'm gonna play tetris or something. Uh. That's part of the idea here is that when you're waking up for very short amount of time, you're not all the way awake, and in that dream wake sleep that gray border between the two and that's where you encounter um lucid dreaming stuff. So that might work. You want me like text you at three am and say it's an emergency and then wait five minutes ago. Never mind, Now I get all this stuff. Now this is this is really really fast, and I'm gonna try some of these methods, uh, starting tonight. But I guess the the takeaway here though, And this was a follow up, so I can't remember exactly when we talked about it, but was just the idea it was. I think it was a study about how marijuana affects sleep cycles, and like the discussion over what happens when you stop and how can make your dreams really like bonkers and how when you're stoned it doesn't necessarily mean you're gonna have psychedelic dreams. It's more when you stop that you have these out there dreams. It wasn't yeah, it wasn't long ago. Uh, but yeah, you can go back and listen to that episode. I believe it was also a listener mail. We got a lot of responses about this. Actually a lot of you. When you stop smoking marijuana, you have crazy dreams. So congratulations. Uh it sounds like maybe we all tried the experiment. Yeah no, n not yet. One day. I'm working on it. Fair enough, guys, throw me under the bus. Oh man, I was just looking up an article about the study behind this that we reference, and an ad came up for the Forever spin top made in Canada. They're these like really pricey bespoke little tops. They're like really really like heavy and fancy steel, are different alloys and stuff like couples apiece. But that's just so funny. Is the Internet listening to me? Probably? Uh? But in the meantime, while we sort that out, let's take a quick break and then come back with some more letters from you. And we're back, and we are jumping to an email titled the Man from thirty nine oh six a d. It comes to us via Chance a k A Lost Lizard, and it goes like this, Hey, guys, my name is Chance. You can use my name. I was wondering if you've ever covered the man who went to thirty nine oh six a D and came back to tell the tale. I've gone back through the catalog and could not find Paul Amadeus d Knock D I E N A c H in any past episodes. Maybe my checking skills suck. Anyways, there is an s there. Anyways, Here's the story of a man named Paul Amadeus di Nuck, a Swiss Austrian who in the early nineteen twenties spent a whole year in a coma due to encephalitis lethargica. Upon awakening, he moves to Greece to pursue a better work and better living conditions. And here is where he catalogs his experience he had throughout his coma, claiming his spirit get this was transferred to someone in the year thirty nine oh six a D. Again, that's from the nineteen twenties. Um carefully and then he carefully detailed the events that occurred during his coma in a diary. Topics range from two years of work service, to the new species of humans that evolve in the future, to the populating and eventual catastrophe that occurs on Mars. Dinock records his experiences in his personal diary, translated later by one of his students, George p who was a professor of law and a rector of pen Panteon University in Greece. I'm not sure how to say that the writing was also in the hands of the Freemasons at one point, oh boy, and regarded as a law to some degree. Now he gives us the title of a book here Chronicles from the Future. The Amazing Story of Paul Amadeus Dinock is the book, and it can be found easily online on Amazon. I can confirm you can find it right now, both there and on good Reads. I'm still currently reading through it, but I'm excited to unfold everything that I briefly learned about his detail and somewhat fortune telling is all too real and accurate, especially the idea of humans populating Mars as I believe that idea wasn't really a quote hot topic in the nineteen twenties. Well yeah, well we'll get it. I saw you, ben, We'll get into that. Um uh, that's when he was alive. Nonetheless, maybe you guys can unfold the truths that lie beneath the surface of Dino's account. Regardless, it's a dope story. Wow, I really should have read more of your email in a Boston accent. Chance, I apologize. Well, guys, Chance gave us something here that I had never heard about. I think, Ben I I'm surprised this has never come across my desk. I'm wondering if maybe it has. And I put it away for some reason because this book has been out since nineteen seventy three. Yeah, I haven't this is this is new to me as well. I was able to do just a little bit of reading. I'm probably going to pick up the book just because I think that kind of stuff is fascinating. Uh, But I right now, I'm just astonished a Chance you did us a tremendous favor because I think this was something that's new to all three of us. It does remind me of a conversation, kind of a life hack conversation I've seen before where someone says, if you're going to make something up, and I'm not saying I'm not saying this guy is, if you're gonna make something up, be very specific, So don't say I was transported to the year three thousand, say three thousand, nine oh six just that time. But he had a lot of it far enough in the future's nobody who's living right now can fact check. Yeah, don't even if it seems like a safe lie. Don't come back and say I was in the year and the Patriots one or something like that. You know, even it's the statistics seem on your side. It's a dangerous game. And this is not to be dismissive of this, because again, I don't think any of the three of us have read this account yet. I'd be really interested to know how it was curated. If it's just published, you know, in seventy three by his friend Papa Chatz is uh, with minimal editing, or if it was kind of you know, like the way the stories about men in Black got shaped by successive sort of again curators of a story, if not original authors. Uh. And there are a couple of really great breadcrumbs in here, and chance, I hope you agree, one of one of which is the question about a new evolution of human beings. Darwin tells us that up until very recently, that kind of speciation took much much longer. Right, so, a lot of a lot of our academics and signed tistem biologists in the crowd are going to be saying, well, even two thousand years isn't really enough time for a lot of stuff to happen, unless there's like a bottleneck or a near extinction event stuff like that. But what's interesting here, I would say, is that it is possible, where it will be possible soon to use genetic engineering to create humans that are you know, if ethics don't get in the way, they're very different from the people who are listening to this show in two So so that is actually possible, And he wouldn't have known about genetic engineering at this point, absolutely not. Um Also the way in which we will leave, they're currently steps being taken to integrate humans and technology. But you know we've talked we talked about that on the show as well, Like the integration of technology into the human body could also create some other form of human depending on how we go about that, especially if you combine that with genetic engineering. I mean, my goodness, we could look and feel very differently in the future. So, guys, I haven't had time to actually like fact check a lot of this stuff. I know that a lot of the things that supposedly have occurred, at least according to a reddit thread have not occurred that were predicted within this book. Um. There you can read up on. I think it's the sub reddit the o A. Do you guys remember the show The A? And in there there is a post from two years ago titled I Guess Dimensional Travel is real? The Paul Dinack story. And within here, it's just got some interesting discussions, some interesting points, and there are several people in there. It's not a huge thread, by the way. There are several people in there just pointing out a list of things that that were predicted, I suppose, and the dates associated with the um. And it is done in a way, guys that it feels like if you wanted to believe it, you could put your you know, you could put your belief into it. But most of it is so specific and not exactly that that it is just kind of like whoever wrote this story, you know, was kind of shooting in the dark. UM. But it is worth I think it's worth us going over maybe in more detail at some point. I have not read the book, just like you been, but I'm interested. I don't know, what do you think is it worth us diving into any further? I mean, we could definitely not just look at this, but we could look at other similar claims of people who have who who believe that they have somehow gained knowledge about the future and shared it with their version of the present. Uh, there's some interesting research we could do about the state of consciousness during and comatose period and what it means to come back. We could also, I don't know, we could look at the nature of belief here. I am going to get this book, by the way. I think it's an excellent recommendation. I'm always looking for stuff to read. But but one of the things that I think it's really important for us to emphasize whenever we talk about this stuff is that none of what we are saying means that this guy was actively trying to deceive people. He may genuinely have believed it all to be true, right, So we're not accusing him as Shenanigans at this point. No. I mean, maybe it was an incredible dream like state that he experienced, right, And the way we were discussing lucid dreams prior to this, When when you're in those states, it is very difficult if you're not trained to know if you're actually living and experiencing something or not. That's what makes nightmares so terrifying. Yeah, I mean, maybe there's something there. Maybe there's something we just currently don't understand that big s science doesn't understand about consciousness. There's a lot we don't understand about consciousness. But you know, whether or not it's transferable, whether or not you know it can travel fifth dimensionally or whatever we want to call time travel for that is that the fourth dimension? I'm sorry, guys, Uh, we don't. You know, we're unaware because we've never been able to see it or tested in that way yet. But who knows. What if it's impossible future or an alternate future. Maybe he saw a future, but just not this timelines. I think logically all of us can assume that once humanity gets to Mars, we're gonna mess the place up even further. Some stuff is gonna go wrong, and then we'll need to go to another planet right eventually, not saying immediately, Uh, but we'll probably do similarly what we did to Earth to Mars or no. No, no, that's that's why type man, that's what's happening. I don't know how else we would do it. I guess that's what I'm saying. Yeah, I think it's fascinating. Though it's it's worth uh, it's worth exploring the possibilities because this is not necessarily a unique case. I would imagine maybe the specific specificity of the year is and the claims, but this kind of experience an epiphany during times of great mental turmoil, it happens. That's, you know, part of the reason profits are quoted in religious works. All right, again, we have not read this book. We're gonna readview some of the things that are supposedly contained within it. According to a Reddit thread, look how good at journalism we are? Okay, So here's here's just a bulleted list. We can go down these. According to the book, in the future humans have regular contact with some form of aliens. In the future, humans are harvesting quote, gravitational energy. I don't know what that interesting. I don't know what gravitational energy is. I've only seen that like some sci fi the idea of like harvesting that kind of energy. Maybe an interstellar I can't remember something that gravitational waves. Maybe, but I don't know how there would be enough energy there for us to Maybe I'm just science stupid. I I perhaps I am. I'm not sure, but according to this thread again about this book, in the future, we are traveling as humans through spiritual energy and we can physically see souls go out come in. Apparently in the future, all medication that you would normally get for something that is wrong with you is replaced instead with meditation. Got it? Uh? Using that soul stuff like this next one a bunch of new age crap. That's a fun one. That's kind of a catch all. And prefer a little more specificity there, but I can dig it like no age crap. The sequel. Yeah, it's interesting that this person, you know, this tale is supposedly recorded in these journals between nineteen twenty two and ninety four, because this person that is being written about only lived two years after he awoke from the coma that he was in, and then it was published in nineteen seventy three. So if there was any styling done on this book or the translation of it from because it was translated in different languages, Uh, some weirdness could have happened through all of those processes, the translating than the publishing. Given fifty years anyway, weird stuff here, guys, I guess right in. Tell us what you think about this. We want to hear from you, yeah, right in, especially if you're from the future. Uh tell us how how the book is doing over there? And if you like books, I guess we kind of have one from from the future or it's coming out in the future. Uh stuff. They want you to know the book. We love it. If you preorder it, then we'd love it even more. 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