From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my name is Noel. They call me Ben. We are joined as always with our super producer Alexis code named Doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you are you. You are here, and that makes this the stuff they don't want you to know. It's Thursday. If you're hearing this as it comes out, which means it is time for our weekly listener Male segment, where we hear from the best part of the show, you and your fellow conspiracy realists. We're going to go to some strange places. We've got some follow ups in the situation ongoing in New Brunswick. We have We're we're gonna hear from someone going under the handle Mr Tin Mouse, and we're also going to investigate a local mystery. Not only are we going to investigate this mystery, but I believe it's fair to say we are going to solve it to a degree. And this is maybe where we begin today. Guys, Matt Noell, have you all heard of the Oculus Temple? No, but it sounds spooky and cool and I'm excited to hear about it. Oh. Yes, I have heard it. I've seen it. I am in it right now. I'm pretty sure. Yes to state I feel left out. Oh you'll, you'll, you'll be there. You'll be there very soon, my friend. So, I didn't mean that to sound as scriptic as it perhaps did. So. Yeah, this has nothing to do with the Oculus E R Console, which I'd love to hear everybody's thoughts on that. More on that in a second, because, as you know, I have some reservations about it. But let's start with this voicemail from Anonymous. Hey, there, guys, a long time listener. You can use my voice on the podcast if you want to. So, I'm listening to today's most recent listener mail, and uh, honestly, there's been something I've been wanting to call you guys about for a long time. It's called the the Oculus Temple. It's in Damascus, Oregon. Um. I've been there myself, but I don't want to sound biased about it. I would love it if you guys would do some research and talk about it on the pod. Hopefully, uh, hopefully you guys do. If not, that's fine. I have a great rest of your day. Love the show and can't wait to hear more episodes. Okay, I love this sort of stuff, Thank you so much. Full disclosure, this caller did use their name. However, we did not get permission to use their names, so we're airing on the side of safety there. That's just that's just the general policy we have. First things first, I had never heard about this. This reminds me of the Steelcase pyramid. This reminds me of our earlier conversation about that mysterious church's chicken. You guys remember that one. Yeah, it doesn't ring a bell from me. Mysterious church's chicken. Yes, yeah, the one that was and then wasn't all of a sudden, And yes, there was the whole thing, a spooky church's chicken. Well, it's like a chicken spoiler sounds spoiler for the excellent television show Fringe. Spoiler alert three to one. Maybe that church's chicken was from a different universe just to the left of ours. But here's the deal. I'm pretty sure George sent us that message. I'm pretty sure So here's the deal. If you go to Damascus, Oregon, you're if you don't live in the area, it's quite possible that you've never heard of this place. It's it's pretty small, the populations like ten thousand, eleven thousand and change, and it is home to a very very strange building. Is something that's been like, you know, we asked about this all the time. What are the local legends in your neck of the Global Woods. This one is often called the Temple of Oculus Anubis, and it's it's named after the Egyptian god of embalming, which is already kind of a flex. But the name itself is a little misleading. No one knows whether it's actually a temple. UH shout out to Shout out to reporting on outfits like UH drive vibin dot com with Kyle and Olivia Brady. They said something I quite enjoyed where they pointed out that if you're looking for Damascus, Oregon, you are finding it sort of in the middle of two other towns, Happy Valley and Boring. There are people who live in a town called Boring. I would love to hear what that's like. It's right next to Weed California right now, and it's not. Yes, and it's not that far from Portland's right right right? Is it really next to Weed California? No, I don't mean weed is an upstate. That weed is in northern California, if I'm not mistaken. So it could it could be. It could be. It could be. And you know, if you think about the size of the universe, then everything on Earth is right next to everything else. But you know, man, you always put it a positive spin on things. I love. Thanks, man, Let's try to put a positive spin on this. So if you are in Damascus, Oregon, you are going to share about this place. People call it a temple, but nobody really knows if it's a temple. They know that there is a large front gate with some ancient gold symbols on it, and there is also visible from the room, visible from outside the property. There's a statue of the Egyptian goddess Segment, who is often depicted as a lioness. You'll also see identical stone pyramids. This became a subject of a lot of speculation, especially especially in the online age of independent digging for mysteries. A lot of the stuff people said about it made me think it was pure speculation, you know what I mean, Like maybe someone visited the town, they saw the gates, they had pre existing opinions about Egyptian folklore and religion and mythology, and then they just sort of styled on it, which is how how many conspiracy theories work. That's why it's one of the most amazing forms of new folklore. That's also why you could call it a very American type of art, which I also read somewhere. Anyhow, there is a little bit of a i would say credible investigation into this anonymous and it hinges on the story of an eye doctor, a guy named Dr Dean Elton Neil, and his son Anthony Curtis Neil. This was one of the only things that we could find reported in an actual paper rather than you know, just like creepy pasta on Facebook or people making weird guesses. So here's the deal with the Neil family. There were a lot of articles that came out about this missteve rearous property, and I want to shout out a place called criminal Vocal dot media. You can find it on by Keats Ross. Keats Ross spent a lot of time figuring out what actually is going on here, and back in two sixteen they publish an article called the Temple of Oculus Anibus solved and in this I don't know if this will be disappointing to some people or if it will be um kind of reassuring, but most of the crazy ideas are pretty easily debunked. There's not a bunch of cannibals in this small town eating people in some like Egyptian themed house party. There's not, I know, I know, But there's also not some kind of see as far as we know, there's not some kind of like secretive theatrical Illuminati eyes wide shot Kubrick esque society a d frolicking out there. But there is this family and it appears that they just really like Egyptian decor. We're gonna speculate on this bit and respectful way. The the thing is there, there was actually conspiracy here and it was real. Uh that place I mentioned earlier when I said a newspaper media outlet published about this. Oregon Live connected the dots when they ran a piece that read Iclinic manager convicted in huge healthcare fraud, puppet of father or partner in crime. That's referring to the Sun. Anthony Curtis Neil. He was prosecuted for health insurance fraud through the Neil family uptometry business, and that was located up the way in Gresham, Oregon. He had embezzled this is the Sun about two point five million dollars over the course of decades. And the question that prosecutor supposed was whether he was a rogue actor on his own or whether this was the work of his father, like his dad told him to do it, using him as a proxy. And a lot of the money that they embezzled went to build this compound, which was as of uh, several years ago, it was still unfinished. And I just thought it's interesting because it's a really big place. It's a thirty five thousand square foot house, and it was built for the son apparently to live next door to his father. And they had tunnels on this compound that connected the son and father's house. Uh. They also had, like of course those weird statues. They had a hell of pad at a tennis court, because why not. But can't you also this is my question, it's just the design question. Can't you also just have a helipad that can turn into a tennis court when you put up a net. I think it's an unnecessary flex to have both of those. It does feel that way theoretically. Yeah, um, but yeah, there are some videos you can find online of people who have broken onto the property and taken footage of this place. And when when Ben says thirty five thousand square foot house, he means it it's there. It's completely unfinished, but there. It's It's giant. It looks like cavernous rooms that almost feels like, um, it was going to be a cathedral of some sort eventually, but made out of stone and metal um rather than I don't know, I don't even know how to describe it. It's creepy looking. And there's also weird footage of those purported tunnels that you described, Ben. Yeah, yeah, And the credible research we found seems to indicate that those tunnels are part and parcel of the thing, but we haven't. Matt, You're absolutely correct. There's a series of pretty great urban exploration videos from people who have broken in, but we we still are very scarce on facts, which is why I think Anonymous wrote to us an Anonymous let us know. By the way, if you are the source of some of those videos. So here's the problem with this story. This becomes a true crime story because the Neil family at divisions in the ranks, and the son, Anthony Neil, had a lawyer who was defending him in the case regarding this embezzlement, and Anthony Neil's attorney said that first Neil is on the autism spectrum and that he had been terrorized by his father, and that his father had done awful, unclean things like repeatedly assaulted Anthony's mother when she was alive. That Anthony had been himself assaulted by a family acquaintance. The father knew of this and didn't do anything to protect his kid because he was worried it would tarnish his professional reputation. Uh. Yeah, he also was forcibly restraining people. Uh. The problem is that there these aren't just wild unfounded claims on the son's spot, because there is a nineteen seven restraining order that the uh, the wife had taken out against Dr Neil. This guy, Neil the elder, died in twenty He had never gone to court, never had any consequences for these alleged crimes financial or the violent crimes you just described. However, the judge in the son's case did not by these arguments, or at least did not think they absolved him of criminal activity. So he was sentenced four years ago with a year in federal prison, and then he had to pay millions of dollars to insurance agencies, to the I R s and so on. The judge said, quote, you are not dumb. You were certainly under the thumb of your father, but you knew right from wrong, so you do have culpability. Also, this was stood up. The judge said that the father, Dr. Neil, was quote about as evil a person as you can imagine, especially involving his disabled son. So this thing does have a real and disturbing story behind it. The building still stands, but there's not public access to it at this point. I'm, you know, follow up. Probably I'm on my own to see what it's like now. But if you are listening and you are located in or around Damascus, Oregon, we would love to hear your take. Have you been on the property. We will try to preserve your anonymity, of course, what did you find? And the thing that sticks with me why the Egyptian decor there has to be more to this story. Let us know if you can help us connect the dots std w y t K conspiracy at I heeart radio dot com. We're gonna pause for a word from our sponsor and then we'll be back traveling to New Brunswick. And we're back with something of an update. Um. Everyone might remember that we recently on a strange news episode, mad I believe, brought to us a story about a mysterious ailment plaguing some citizens of New Brunswick and the Province of New Brunswick. I believe that's they call it there in Canadian terms. And we got an email from Lady Pharaoh. I think it's Pharaoh. F E r o X. Do you guys know about a game called Arc? I don't know about Arc. Apparently this is a reference to that game. I'm sure if it's a board game or some sort of M m O RPG, but I'm not familiar. But I think it's pretty maybe for rocks as f r o X. So it's I believe it's m m O and I believe that's one that our buddy Dan Harmon played for a bit. Okay, okay, I'll have to check it out. I'm always in need for a new time sock um not but I I need you know, Mad it's funny uh not the dear list too too much right away, but I've been really considering getting into magic the Gathering Arena by buddy Matt Riddle, friend of the show. Are all of our buddies. Matt Riddle is a big, big player in that space, and I know you are too, So I actually told him about that, so he might hit you up, but we're oh there you go boom uh So. Lady Faerrox had this to say concerning the mysterious disease directly from the perspective of She described herself as a concerned New Brunswicker high std W I t K crew code named Lady Ferrox. Here shout out to the arc players, l O L. I was listening to your recent Strange news episode about the mysterious neurodegenerative disease happening in New Brunswick and was very surprised to hear my home province mentioned This is something I had heard about briefly last year, but I had not heard the possible lobster angle. Oh, the infamous lobster angle. Uh and that really got my wheels turning. First off, in that study seems high to me. Um, even as a local, I would imagine that more people along the coast eat lobster than inland. But I would never guess nine of the whole area's population eats lobster on even a weekly bay ass. But I would actually guess that the older the people you surveyed, the higher the percentage would get. This made me wonder what differences are there between a regular diagnosis of dementia and the mystery disease if the person is old enough to be naturally suffering from dementia more specifically Louis body dementia, which has symptoms pretty much exactly like what they're describing, Uh, impairing of movement and thinking abilities and can even cause hallucinations. I'm not mistaken, guys. I believe that's what Robin Williams had was suffering from. Correct. Yeah, which it really it's almost like a body dysmorphic kind of like a component to it as well. It's very very scary and not nearly enough known about it. UM. What causes its specifically? You know, to from just regular dementia. UM. The letter goes on I'm bringing up Louis body dementia specifically because there are two people I know who have died of this in the last few months alone. How do we know if it is something that is naturally occurring in people's bodies versus an environmental factor if they won't let scientists look for what caused it in those identified cases. I tried looking for stats on people being diagnosed with dementia and our province over the last years or months, but so far I haven't found any. Um And you know, and this is a small area relatively, so it shouldn't be that hard to get this kind of data. Um. That was me. Uh, the fact that our provincial government is not allowing a deeper look into this, sadly doesn't surprise me at all. If you just take a quick peek at these stats can websites on causes of death per province. In the number of deaths in New Brunswick's Quote Information Unavailable section grows at an alarming rate as the year goes on, from fifteen in January to five ninety in August. And no, we aren't the only province that seems to have that trend. But it doesn't instill confidence in thinking we were being given all the facts. I'm sure much of that is COVID, because our COVID death stayed at a nice even zero throughout those months. But it's shows that what Ben said is likely correct, that there are many more unseen roaches in our kitchen that our government doesn't want us to know about. Wow, lots unpacked there. I mean, I think a big part Matt of the story was the lack of transparency around this, right. Yeah. Much of the stories about attempting to get a government body to investigate it further and you know, to take further steps on checking out specific victims. There were a couple of families that were quoted in one of the articles that they were attempting to have their loved one even though they had passed away. Uh, tested for specific things, to find out more information to see if this was in some way connected to other potential victims. Support of this disease, Yeah, yeah, and uh we we postulated that the lobster angle was potent, you know, potentially had some kind of economic ties with New Brunswick in that entire region of North America, if it would have an effect on that on the on the fishing business and or lobstering the crabbing business. What do you lobster? A lobbying different yeah, Ida, but also involves putting things in too true, that's too true, too right, as they say in the UK. Yeah, this is this is a big deal because one of the questions that we posed for that that angle or that speculation is why why this is not being reported in like eastern Maine, where there are a ton of fisheries and lobster outfits. The questions remain unanswered from the main unanswered imagine main. But the issue here I think is that this also encourages further distrust in the Canadian government, not just under regional level, but on a federal level. Like something as simple as we investigated. We did our due diligence and we didn't find anything would go a long way to reassuring people. But this is an to be clear, everything, everything I'm about to say is true and none of it should be taken as a defense of the US, which has its own walk in closet overflowing with skeletons. Canada, as we found on this show, as a government, has historically had a very tough time acknowledging uncomfortable facts like the residents schools, or like the Highway of Tears. So if you are familiar with those sorts of precedents, it's completely understandable to think that there may be a cover up or stone walling going on. But we have not we have not heard an official statement from someone in in the government saying anything really, you know, which to me is is distressing. That's definitely shooting yourself in the foot or the claw or the hail. But but I think that I think that's a big piece of this correct me if I'm wrong. Any anybody listening out there that maybe just listen to this the previous episode, I believe one of the big pushes was to get an independent panel of experts to look at this thing and investigate it, um maybe in conjunction with a government investigation, which feels like the best way to do it. And also, just keep in mind, we're still talking about I think around fifty individuals who have been afflicted by this. Yeah, well, I mean, I don't know if it's changed since we've recorded it, but I'm assuming it's still around that number. So it shouldn't be that alarming to everyone. Living in New Brunswick. The only problem is it could be something associated with you know, the diet of people who live in that area, which would be very troubling. Yeah, what do you make of the whole you know, stats angle of it all. Is it a matter of like truly cover up, is it point to that or is it just a matter of a small area that is understaffed and that often times, I mean there's lag in this kind of reporting. Yeah, I mean it's a good question. I think Lady Ferrox or Farrow or whatever it is, I just don't know, Ark, I've never played it. Um, I think they got it right when they're saying many of these unidentified causes do point back to COVID and so it's undetermined whether or not COVID was the major factor and a death or something else in COVID related. I bet that has a lot to do with the that stat you're talking about. Yeah, COVID deaths at zero that stand out to anybody else in the email. There's also, um, you know those cases that we're referencing, we're we're using that number because that's what was confirmed by New Brunswick Public Health. But as as you know, Lady Farrow or Lady Fairrox Uh that the roach thing holds true. And I'm glad that point stayed with you. There are clearly, at least according to the New York Post, there are clear really more suspected cases. Uh. And one anonymous source said that it could be as many as a hundred and fifty. It was interesting. I don't remember whether we mentioned this, but back in October of twenty twenty one, UH, pathologists believe that they had identified the cause of at least eight of those quote unquote mystery brain disease deaths, and that was Dr Jarard Jansen at the University of Ottawa. Yeah, they believe they had confirmed eight of them. And they were unrelated, didn't have anything, you know, to do with each other. They were independent. The big questions came in when individual caregivers of people who were suffering from whatever neurological disease it was, began showing the same symptoms or worse symptoms than the people they were caring for, and many of them were younger individuals. Yeah, and the and that's just statistically that's pretty unusual. Also to be leer the pathologists. Once he claimed he had identify these eight deaths or the cause of these eight deaths. Uh. The families didn't all agree with his conclusions. I think especially one one victim was said to have died due to complications from Alzheimer's and the family was astonished and they did not disagree. And you know, there's still they're like whistleblowers active on this, sources that want to be anonymous. We talked a little bit about the possible middle factors, but this is an ongoing case. Wasn't the whistleblower from like a big health um agency or I mean, it wasn't like any but it was one of the largest, Yeah, it was. It was a very large healthcare provider. If I'm not mistaken, they're they're in Canada. So I don't know, it's something to keep an eye on. UM. I don't know that there's been any big follow up in the media. So thank you Lady Frox for the inside scoop from on the ground. So I think there's something that's very intriguing to all of us. And I'll have to see where the lobster angle takes us or um. You know, this Louis body syndrome is also very interesting and the idea that the symptoms are very similar and the disparity between the reporting in terms of the age. So I do think there's something to this great theory. Let's take a quick break and then we'll be back with another piece of mail or correspondence or what have you from you the public. And we're back, and we were immediately jumping over to a call we received from Mr tin Mouse. Here we go. This is my quick story. So I went to a wedding a few weeks ago. I'm a mat a guy whose father had passed away ten years ago, and he worked in the c I A and he told me that my dad was a c I A message drop So there was somebody that needed the past messages to his dad. They dropped him off with my dad, and my dad had clearance enough two received the messages. And so I looked at my dad's Korean War records and one of the main one of the things listed for his unit was psychological warfare. So there's a lot of stories about this, but my dad never once mentioned this to me, And it was quite the shock that here I am related to somebody who was actually either in the CIA or part of the CIA. But he was so clandestined that I never even knew about it. And he passed away years ago. So if they don't want you to know, they will make sure you don't know, even if it's your dad. Just think about that, Thanks, bye, Just think about that, Okay, Mr tin Mouse, I'm gonna think about that for a long time. Wow. Just the concept of finding something out about, you know, a loved one in this case, a parent, a child, a spouse, something like that that you never knew until after they're passing, and especially finding out something like they were involved in intelligence work with the old agency. That's intense. Uh. And to find out through a third party, like a random guy that didn't even know or maybe maybe they have to go to a wedding, which is like the worst, but at least you you met someone interesting. And one thing I think is fascinating here is that Tin Mouse, it does not sound as if the person you spoke with was able to like provide their own supporting evidence other than their word. UH. And psychological war fair or a psy op being listed does not necessarily mean that someone is UH in the trade. But it sounds like ten Mouse is pretty convinced here, and it's not out of the realm of possibility. You know, people, people all live a thousand different lives in the course of their own biological life, and people in general like to be good at what they do. So if part of being good at what you do is not telling people what you do, then you're gonna You're gonna strive for that. And the CIA vetting process is pretty intense, so they weed out people who would be where they do their best to try to, like weed out people who would have conflicts of interest or be attention seekers, you know what I mean, you don't want Like, if you want a good asset or operative, whether long term or short term, you're looking for someone who is easy to control, who is predictable in their actions and really unassuming. That's one of the big things you want. Like we talked in the past about how James Bond is a hilariously bad, just terrible spy, but a lot of the folks, like the Americans, does a great job of this. In the realm of fiction. Those are two people who are so deep cover that not even their kids know that they're working for Russia, and they purposely I think they run a travel agency, but they purposely try not to be too showy, They try not to be too extroverted. They are aiming to be the kind of people that you would not think about again the moment they leave the root, and that's sort of the art. That's the most important skill to have. It reminds me of a little bit of Black Widow, the Marvel movie, and the way that family kind of was embedded and the children barely knew what was going on until it was time to kind of scoot. Yeah. So I was intrigued by this guy's and I gave a call back to Mr tin Mouse and spoke of him for a little bit. And I've got some more information that he's cleared me to share with you all. So let's go over some of this um. He said he did some investigating into his father's time during the Korean War. He was in the Air Force and he was assigned to a unit this I don't know how to say this correctly. Maybe you guys can help me out with it. It's the six sixty seven Air Base Group, so six seven th Air Base Group. You can find it on Wikipedia. He found it in a couple of places, and he's got the insignia and the badge from his father, and it confirms that he was a part of this group. They it's really interesting. They did some weird stuff. We're talking about psychological warfare here. It's true. They did all kinds of things. They're leaflet drops, h cycle, logical warfare, voice missions, which is again there's a Wikipedia entry, so I do I cannot confirm that, like what that means. I don't know what a voice mission would be. Besides, I'm assuming it just means they were broadcasting messages in Korean while in their the air Force, so they're probably flying SEE seven and others and other airplanes. But it's some fascinating stuff. You can read a little bit more about it if you're interested. But for Mr Tin Mouse, he was more interested in the concept that his father never once mentioned this other guy. He never mentioned his work with the agency. He never mentioned anything that would make him suspect in any way that his father was doing any you know, message dropping or any work like this. So he described his dad. He said that his father was interested in dentistry, and he was going to dental school before he left for Korea and before he was deployed, and when he came back. Mr Tin Mouse said his father never pursued dentistry again. He was into metal detecting. He had all kinds of rings and other things in this collection that he had of the you know, of the items he'd found while metal detecting. And there was this one specific gold ring in his collection. And I believe Mr tin Mouse. You have to correct me if I'm wrong here, But what happened, my notes is that one of those rings that was in his collection was made of dental gold. It was melted down like fillings and another goal that would be used for work on the mouth. And if you like, think about his interest in dentistry, think about his maybe connection with c I A. I don't know about you, guys, but it took my mind to wonder if he was maybe involved in interrogation in some way, um, which is maybe really dark, maybe not true at all, but it's where Mr tin Mouse's mind went as well. I've got something that maybe I think it's important. No, but it's a personal note that we need to communicate to you, ten Mouse. Just because your dad never mentioned it, don't take that as any kind of like remark on your relationship with your father. If anything, he was just trying to be protective, right and to maintain sort of a firebreak between his personal life and the things he really cared about and the things that he did doubtlessly from his perspective in service of his country. A lot of folks don't know this, but North Korean forces got close to winning the Korean War for a time. It was not near as like simplified and sanitized as a lot of public school textbooks want people to believe, even if they mentioned the Korean War, which they often do not uh And this this outfit it was with We do know and has been publicly acknowledged by Uncle Sam that the Air Force at this time was facilitating at the very least guerilla operations during the war. This means they were dropping in partisan or proxy forces. They were conducting intelligence gathering activities, and to be fair, intelligence gathering activities is such an umbrella term it could it's like saying sandwich, because there are hundreds of different types of sandwiches, right, millions, thousands at least, And this means that intelligence gathering can encompass anything from a low altitude cover of night fly over to try to get a sense of the enemy forces. But it can also include things like interrogation. At this point, we just don't know, and for a long time, conceivably for for the future, the U s. Public is not going to know the full extent of how the sausage was made there. Yeah, and uh, sons and daughters may not know the full extended what their dads did there, as was shown by our caller. UM. So yeah, I don't know, guys. This is just a really fascinating thing to me. I haven't explored the Korean War in the same way I have some of the other major conflicts in the US has been involved in, And I feel like it's going to be worth my time and I should look into it. You might enjoy if if you want to learn more about this, you might enjoy an article by the National Interest written by Michael Pett It's called Yes, North Korea could have won the Korean War, And this one is fairly recent. This came out in Of course, the National Interest has its own angle on things, so be aware of that when you're reading it. But if you have an interest in this, and we have some people in the audience today who may have been alive during that time, who were seeing the fallout the aftermath of this war, which has not ended, by the way, it's had a ceasefire. There's still lead early beefy um. If you if you want to learn more about this, you might be surprised by how much attention historians put on the long tail consequences of this, the effects of it. Like one of the weirdest things about a war that never ends is the demilitarized zone between the DPRK and the r o K North Korean South Korea is tremendously bio diverse. It's nuts because people don't go there, even with the land mines. It's a better deal for the animals. And a lot of the actually a lot of the propaganda from the southern side is about that, about how great the d m Z is for biodiversity. Nice silver lining. Alright, well, and again with the silver line today. Yeah, yeah, we did it. 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From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my name is Noel. They call me Ben. We are joined as always with our super producer Alexis code named Doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you are you. You are here, and that makes this the stuff they don't want you to know. It's Thursday. If you're hearing this as it comes out, which means it is time for our weekly listener Male segment, where we hear from the best part of the show, you and your fellow conspiracy realists. We're going to go to some strange places. We've got some follow ups in the situation ongoing in New Brunswick. We have We're we're gonna hear from someone going under the handle Mr Tin Mouse, and we're also going to investigate a local mystery. Not only are we going to investigate this mystery, but I believe it's fair to say we are going to solve it to a degree. And this is maybe where we begin today. Guys, Matt Noell, have you all heard of the Oculus Temple? No, but it sounds spooky and cool and I'm excited to hear about it. Oh. Yes, I have heard it. I've seen it. I am in it right now. I'm pretty sure. Yes to state I feel left out. Oh you'll, you'll, you'll be there. You'll be there very soon, my friend. So, I didn't mean that to sound as scriptic as it perhaps did. So. Yeah, this has nothing to do with the Oculus E R Console, which I'd love to hear everybody's thoughts on that. More on that in a second, because, as you know, I have some reservations about it. But let's start with this voicemail from Anonymous. Hey, there, guys, a long time listener. You can use my voice on the podcast if you want to. So, I'm listening to today's most recent listener mail, and uh, honestly, there's been something I've been wanting to call you guys about for a long time. It's called the the Oculus Temple. It's in Damascus, Oregon. Um. I've been there myself, but I don't want to sound biased about it. I would love it if you guys would do some research and talk about it on the pod. Hopefully, uh, hopefully you guys do. If not, that's fine. I have a great rest of your day. Love the show and can't wait to hear more episodes. Okay, I love this sort of stuff, Thank you so much. Full disclosure, this caller did use their name. However, we did not get permission to use their names, so we're airing on the side of safety there. That's just that's just the general policy we have. First things first, I had never heard about this. This reminds me of the Steelcase pyramid. This reminds me of our earlier conversation about that mysterious church's chicken. You guys remember that one. Yeah, it doesn't ring a bell from me. Mysterious church's chicken. Yes, yeah, the one that was and then wasn't all of a sudden, And yes, there was the whole thing, a spooky church's chicken. Well, it's like a chicken spoiler sounds spoiler for the excellent television show Fringe. Spoiler alert three to one. Maybe that church's chicken was from a different universe just to the left of ours. But here's the deal. I'm pretty sure George sent us that message. I'm pretty sure So here's the deal. If you go to Damascus, Oregon, you're if you don't live in the area, it's quite possible that you've never heard of this place. It's it's pretty small, the populations like ten thousand, eleven thousand and change, and it is home to a very very strange building. Is something that's been like, you know, we asked about this all the time. What are the local legends in your neck of the Global Woods. This one is often called the Temple of Oculus Anubis, and it's it's named after the Egyptian god of embalming, which is already kind of a flex. But the name itself is a little misleading. No one knows whether it's actually a temple. UH shout out to Shout out to reporting on outfits like UH drive vibin dot com with Kyle and Olivia Brady. They said something I quite enjoyed where they pointed out that if you're looking for Damascus, Oregon, you are finding it sort of in the middle of two other towns, Happy Valley and Boring. There are people who live in a town called Boring. I would love to hear what that's like. It's right next to Weed California right now, and it's not. Yes, and it's not that far from Portland's right right right? Is it really next to Weed California? No, I don't mean weed is an upstate. That weed is in northern California, if I'm not mistaken. So it could it could be. It could be. It could be. And you know, if you think about the size of the universe, then everything on Earth is right next to everything else. But you know, man, you always put it a positive spin on things. I love. Thanks, man, Let's try to put a positive spin on this. So if you are in Damascus, Oregon, you are going to share about this place. People call it a temple, but nobody really knows if it's a temple. They know that there is a large front gate with some ancient gold symbols on it, and there is also visible from the room, visible from outside the property. There's a statue of the Egyptian goddess Segment, who is often depicted as a lioness. You'll also see identical stone pyramids. This became a subject of a lot of speculation, especially especially in the online age of independent digging for mysteries. A lot of the stuff people said about it made me think it was pure speculation, you know what I mean, Like maybe someone visited the town, they saw the gates, they had pre existing opinions about Egyptian folklore and religion and mythology, and then they just sort of styled on it, which is how how many conspiracy theories work. That's why it's one of the most amazing forms of new folklore. That's also why you could call it a very American type of art, which I also read somewhere. Anyhow, there is a little bit of a i would say credible investigation into this anonymous and it hinges on the story of an eye doctor, a guy named Dr Dean Elton Neil, and his son Anthony Curtis Neil. This was one of the only things that we could find reported in an actual paper rather than you know, just like creepy pasta on Facebook or people making weird guesses. So here's the deal with the Neil family. There were a lot of articles that came out about this missteve rearous property, and I want to shout out a place called criminal Vocal dot media. You can find it on by Keats Ross. Keats Ross spent a lot of time figuring out what actually is going on here, and back in two sixteen they publish an article called the Temple of Oculus Anibus solved and in this I don't know if this will be disappointing to some people or if it will be um kind of reassuring, but most of the crazy ideas are pretty easily debunked. There's not a bunch of cannibals in this small town eating people in some like Egyptian themed house party. There's not, I know, I know, But there's also not some kind of see as far as we know, there's not some kind of like secretive theatrical Illuminati eyes wide shot Kubrick esque society a d frolicking out there. But there is this family and it appears that they just really like Egyptian decor. We're gonna speculate on this bit and respectful way. The the thing is there, there was actually conspiracy here and it was real. Uh that place I mentioned earlier when I said a newspaper media outlet published about this. Oregon Live connected the dots when they ran a piece that read Iclinic manager convicted in huge healthcare fraud, puppet of father or partner in crime. That's referring to the Sun. Anthony Curtis Neil. He was prosecuted for health insurance fraud through the Neil family uptometry business, and that was located up the way in Gresham, Oregon. He had embezzled this is the Sun about two point five million dollars over the course of decades. And the question that prosecutor supposed was whether he was a rogue actor on his own or whether this was the work of his father, like his dad told him to do it, using him as a proxy. And a lot of the money that they embezzled went to build this compound, which was as of uh, several years ago, it was still unfinished. And I just thought it's interesting because it's a really big place. It's a thirty five thousand square foot house, and it was built for the son apparently to live next door to his father. And they had tunnels on this compound that connected the son and father's house. Uh. They also had, like of course those weird statues. They had a hell of pad at a tennis court, because why not. But can't you also this is my question, it's just the design question. Can't you also just have a helipad that can turn into a tennis court when you put up a net. I think it's an unnecessary flex to have both of those. It does feel that way theoretically. Yeah, um, but yeah, there are some videos you can find online of people who have broken onto the property and taken footage of this place. And when when Ben says thirty five thousand square foot house, he means it it's there. It's completely unfinished, but there. It's It's giant. It looks like cavernous rooms that almost feels like, um, it was going to be a cathedral of some sort eventually, but made out of stone and metal um rather than I don't know, I don't even know how to describe it. It's creepy looking. And there's also weird footage of those purported tunnels that you described, Ben. Yeah, yeah, And the credible research we found seems to indicate that those tunnels are part and parcel of the thing, but we haven't. Matt, You're absolutely correct. There's a series of pretty great urban exploration videos from people who have broken in, but we we still are very scarce on facts, which is why I think Anonymous wrote to us an Anonymous let us know. By the way, if you are the source of some of those videos. So here's the problem with this story. This becomes a true crime story because the Neil family at divisions in the ranks, and the son, Anthony Neil, had a lawyer who was defending him in the case regarding this embezzlement, and Anthony Neil's attorney said that first Neil is on the autism spectrum and that he had been terrorized by his father, and that his father had done awful, unclean things like repeatedly assaulted Anthony's mother when she was alive. That Anthony had been himself assaulted by a family acquaintance. The father knew of this and didn't do anything to protect his kid because he was worried it would tarnish his professional reputation. Uh. Yeah, he also was forcibly restraining people. Uh. The problem is that there these aren't just wild unfounded claims on the son's spot, because there is a nineteen seven restraining order that the uh, the wife had taken out against Dr Neil. This guy, Neil the elder, died in twenty He had never gone to court, never had any consequences for these alleged crimes financial or the violent crimes you just described. However, the judge in the son's case did not by these arguments, or at least did not think they absolved him of criminal activity. So he was sentenced four years ago with a year in federal prison, and then he had to pay millions of dollars to insurance agencies, to the I R s and so on. The judge said, quote, you are not dumb. You were certainly under the thumb of your father, but you knew right from wrong, so you do have culpability. Also, this was stood up. The judge said that the father, Dr. Neil, was quote about as evil a person as you can imagine, especially involving his disabled son. So this thing does have a real and disturbing story behind it. The building still stands, but there's not public access to it at this point. I'm, you know, follow up. Probably I'm on my own to see what it's like now. But if you are listening and you are located in or around Damascus, Oregon, we would love to hear your take. Have you been on the property. We will try to preserve your anonymity, of course, what did you find? And the thing that sticks with me why the Egyptian decor there has to be more to this story. Let us know if you can help us connect the dots std w y t K conspiracy at I heeart radio dot com. We're gonna pause for a word from our sponsor and then we'll be back traveling to New Brunswick. And we're back with something of an update. Um. Everyone might remember that we recently on a strange news episode, mad I believe, brought to us a story about a mysterious ailment plaguing some citizens of New Brunswick and the Province of New Brunswick. I believe that's they call it there in Canadian terms. And we got an email from Lady Pharaoh. I think it's Pharaoh. F E r o X. Do you guys know about a game called Arc? I don't know about Arc. Apparently this is a reference to that game. I'm sure if it's a board game or some sort of M m O RPG, but I'm not familiar. But I think it's pretty maybe for rocks as f r o X. So it's I believe it's m m O and I believe that's one that our buddy Dan Harmon played for a bit. Okay, okay, I'll have to check it out. I'm always in need for a new time sock um not but I I need you know, Mad it's funny uh not the dear list too too much right away, but I've been really considering getting into magic the Gathering Arena by buddy Matt Riddle, friend of the show. Are all of our buddies. Matt Riddle is a big, big player in that space, and I know you are too, So I actually told him about that, so he might hit you up, but we're oh there you go boom uh So. Lady Faerrox had this to say concerning the mysterious disease directly from the perspective of She described herself as a concerned New Brunswicker high std W I t K crew code named Lady Ferrox. Here shout out to the arc players, l O L. I was listening to your recent Strange news episode about the mysterious neurodegenerative disease happening in New Brunswick and was very surprised to hear my home province mentioned This is something I had heard about briefly last year, but I had not heard the possible lobster angle. Oh, the infamous lobster angle. Uh and that really got my wheels turning. First off, in that study seems high to me. Um, even as a local, I would imagine that more people along the coast eat lobster than inland. But I would never guess nine of the whole area's population eats lobster on even a weekly bay ass. But I would actually guess that the older the people you surveyed, the higher the percentage would get. This made me wonder what differences are there between a regular diagnosis of dementia and the mystery disease if the person is old enough to be naturally suffering from dementia more specifically Louis body dementia, which has symptoms pretty much exactly like what they're describing, Uh, impairing of movement and thinking abilities and can even cause hallucinations. I'm not mistaken, guys. I believe that's what Robin Williams had was suffering from. Correct. Yeah, which it really it's almost like a body dysmorphic kind of like a component to it as well. It's very very scary and not nearly enough known about it. UM. What causes its specifically? You know, to from just regular dementia. UM. The letter goes on I'm bringing up Louis body dementia specifically because there are two people I know who have died of this in the last few months alone. How do we know if it is something that is naturally occurring in people's bodies versus an environmental factor if they won't let scientists look for what caused it in those identified cases. I tried looking for stats on people being diagnosed with dementia and our province over the last years or months, but so far I haven't found any. Um And you know, and this is a small area relatively, so it shouldn't be that hard to get this kind of data. Um. That was me. Uh, the fact that our provincial government is not allowing a deeper look into this, sadly doesn't surprise me at all. If you just take a quick peek at these stats can websites on causes of death per province. In the number of deaths in New Brunswick's Quote Information Unavailable section grows at an alarming rate as the year goes on, from fifteen in January to five ninety in August. And no, we aren't the only province that seems to have that trend. But it doesn't instill confidence in thinking we were being given all the facts. I'm sure much of that is COVID, because our COVID death stayed at a nice even zero throughout those months. But it's shows that what Ben said is likely correct, that there are many more unseen roaches in our kitchen that our government doesn't want us to know about. Wow, lots unpacked there. I mean, I think a big part Matt of the story was the lack of transparency around this, right. Yeah. Much of the stories about attempting to get a government body to investigate it further and you know, to take further steps on checking out specific victims. There were a couple of families that were quoted in one of the articles that they were attempting to have their loved one even though they had passed away. Uh, tested for specific things, to find out more information to see if this was in some way connected to other potential victims. Support of this disease, Yeah, yeah, and uh we we postulated that the lobster angle was potent, you know, potentially had some kind of economic ties with New Brunswick in that entire region of North America, if it would have an effect on that on the on the fishing business and or lobstering the crabbing business. What do you lobster? A lobbying different yeah, Ida, but also involves putting things in too true, that's too true, too right, as they say in the UK. Yeah, this is this is a big deal because one of the questions that we posed for that that angle or that speculation is why why this is not being reported in like eastern Maine, where there are a ton of fisheries and lobster outfits. The questions remain unanswered from the main unanswered imagine main. But the issue here I think is that this also encourages further distrust in the Canadian government, not just under regional level, but on a federal level. Like something as simple as we investigated. We did our due diligence and we didn't find anything would go a long way to reassuring people. But this is an to be clear, everything, everything I'm about to say is true and none of it should be taken as a defense of the US, which has its own walk in closet overflowing with skeletons. Canada, as we found on this show, as a government, has historically had a very tough time acknowledging uncomfortable facts like the residents schools, or like the Highway of Tears. So if you are familiar with those sorts of precedents, it's completely understandable to think that there may be a cover up or stone walling going on. But we have not we have not heard an official statement from someone in in the government saying anything really, you know, which to me is is distressing. That's definitely shooting yourself in the foot or the claw or the hail. But but I think that I think that's a big piece of this correct me if I'm wrong. Any anybody listening out there that maybe just listen to this the previous episode, I believe one of the big pushes was to get an independent panel of experts to look at this thing and investigate it, um maybe in conjunction with a government investigation, which feels like the best way to do it. And also, just keep in mind, we're still talking about I think around fifty individuals who have been afflicted by this. Yeah, well, I mean, I don't know if it's changed since we've recorded it, but I'm assuming it's still around that number. So it shouldn't be that alarming to everyone. Living in New Brunswick. The only problem is it could be something associated with you know, the diet of people who live in that area, which would be very troubling. Yeah, what do you make of the whole you know, stats angle of it all. Is it a matter of like truly cover up, is it point to that or is it just a matter of a small area that is understaffed and that often times, I mean there's lag in this kind of reporting. Yeah, I mean it's a good question. I think Lady Ferrox or Farrow or whatever it is, I just don't know, Ark, I've never played it. Um, I think they got it right when they're saying many of these unidentified causes do point back to COVID and so it's undetermined whether or not COVID was the major factor and a death or something else in COVID related. I bet that has a lot to do with the that stat you're talking about. Yeah, COVID deaths at zero that stand out to anybody else in the email. There's also, um, you know those cases that we're referencing, we're we're using that number because that's what was confirmed by New Brunswick Public Health. But as as you know, Lady Farrow or Lady Fairrox Uh that the roach thing holds true. And I'm glad that point stayed with you. There are clearly, at least according to the New York Post, there are clear really more suspected cases. Uh. And one anonymous source said that it could be as many as a hundred and fifty. It was interesting. I don't remember whether we mentioned this, but back in October of twenty twenty one, UH, pathologists believe that they had identified the cause of at least eight of those quote unquote mystery brain disease deaths, and that was Dr Jarard Jansen at the University of Ottawa. Yeah, they believe they had confirmed eight of them. And they were unrelated, didn't have anything, you know, to do with each other. They were independent. The big questions came in when individual caregivers of people who were suffering from whatever neurological disease it was, began showing the same symptoms or worse symptoms than the people they were caring for, and many of them were younger individuals. Yeah, and the and that's just statistically that's pretty unusual. Also to be leer the pathologists. Once he claimed he had identify these eight deaths or the cause of these eight deaths. Uh. The families didn't all agree with his conclusions. I think especially one one victim was said to have died due to complications from Alzheimer's and the family was astonished and they did not disagree. And you know, there's still they're like whistleblowers active on this, sources that want to be anonymous. We talked a little bit about the possible middle factors, but this is an ongoing case. Wasn't the whistleblower from like a big health um agency or I mean, it wasn't like any but it was one of the largest, Yeah, it was. It was a very large healthcare provider. If I'm not mistaken, they're they're in Canada. So I don't know, it's something to keep an eye on. UM. I don't know that there's been any big follow up in the media. So thank you Lady Frox for the inside scoop from on the ground. So I think there's something that's very intriguing to all of us. And I'll have to see where the lobster angle takes us or um. You know, this Louis body syndrome is also very interesting and the idea that the symptoms are very similar and the disparity between the reporting in terms of the age. So I do think there's something to this great theory. Let's take a quick break and then we'll be back with another piece of mail or correspondence or what have you from you the public. And we're back, and we were immediately jumping over to a call we received from Mr tin Mouse. Here we go. This is my quick story. So I went to a wedding a few weeks ago. I'm a mat a guy whose father had passed away ten years ago, and he worked in the c I A and he told me that my dad was a c I A message drop So there was somebody that needed the past messages to his dad. They dropped him off with my dad, and my dad had clearance enough two received the messages. And so I looked at my dad's Korean War records and one of the main one of the things listed for his unit was psychological warfare. So there's a lot of stories about this, but my dad never once mentioned this to me, And it was quite the shock that here I am related to somebody who was actually either in the CIA or part of the CIA. But he was so clandestined that I never even knew about it. And he passed away years ago. So if they don't want you to know, they will make sure you don't know, even if it's your dad. Just think about that, Thanks, bye, Just think about that, Okay, Mr tin Mouse, I'm gonna think about that for a long time. Wow. Just the concept of finding something out about, you know, a loved one in this case, a parent, a child, a spouse, something like that that you never knew until after they're passing, and especially finding out something like they were involved in intelligence work with the old agency. That's intense. Uh. And to find out through a third party, like a random guy that didn't even know or maybe maybe they have to go to a wedding, which is like the worst, but at least you you met someone interesting. And one thing I think is fascinating here is that Tin Mouse, it does not sound as if the person you spoke with was able to like provide their own supporting evidence other than their word. UH. And psychological war fair or a psy op being listed does not necessarily mean that someone is UH in the trade. But it sounds like ten Mouse is pretty convinced here, and it's not out of the realm of possibility. You know, people, people all live a thousand different lives in the course of their own biological life, and people in general like to be good at what they do. So if part of being good at what you do is not telling people what you do, then you're gonna You're gonna strive for that. And the CIA vetting process is pretty intense, so they weed out people who would be where they do their best to try to, like weed out people who would have conflicts of interest or be attention seekers, you know what I mean, you don't want Like, if you want a good asset or operative, whether long term or short term, you're looking for someone who is easy to control, who is predictable in their actions and really unassuming. That's one of the big things you want. Like we talked in the past about how James Bond is a hilariously bad, just terrible spy, but a lot of the folks, like the Americans, does a great job of this. In the realm of fiction. Those are two people who are so deep cover that not even their kids know that they're working for Russia, and they purposely I think they run a travel agency, but they purposely try not to be too showy, They try not to be too extroverted. They are aiming to be the kind of people that you would not think about again the moment they leave the root, and that's sort of the art. That's the most important skill to have. It reminds me of a little bit of Black Widow, the Marvel movie, and the way that family kind of was embedded and the children barely knew what was going on until it was time to kind of scoot. Yeah. So I was intrigued by this guy's and I gave a call back to Mr tin Mouse and spoke of him for a little bit. And I've got some more information that he's cleared me to share with you all. So let's go over some of this um. He said he did some investigating into his father's time during the Korean War. He was in the Air Force and he was assigned to a unit this I don't know how to say this correctly. Maybe you guys can help me out with it. It's the six sixty seven Air Base Group, so six seven th Air Base Group. You can find it on Wikipedia. He found it in a couple of places, and he's got the insignia and the badge from his father, and it confirms that he was a part of this group. They it's really interesting. They did some weird stuff. We're talking about psychological warfare here. It's true. They did all kinds of things. They're leaflet drops, h cycle, logical warfare, voice missions, which is again there's a Wikipedia entry, so I do I cannot confirm that, like what that means. I don't know what a voice mission would be. Besides, I'm assuming it just means they were broadcasting messages in Korean while in their the air Force, so they're probably flying SEE seven and others and other airplanes. But it's some fascinating stuff. You can read a little bit more about it if you're interested. But for Mr Tin Mouse, he was more interested in the concept that his father never once mentioned this other guy. He never mentioned his work with the agency. He never mentioned anything that would make him suspect in any way that his father was doing any you know, message dropping or any work like this. So he described his dad. He said that his father was interested in dentistry, and he was going to dental school before he left for Korea and before he was deployed, and when he came back. Mr Tin Mouse said his father never pursued dentistry again. He was into metal detecting. He had all kinds of rings and other things in this collection that he had of the you know, of the items he'd found while metal detecting. And there was this one specific gold ring in his collection. And I believe Mr tin Mouse. You have to correct me if I'm wrong here, But what happened, my notes is that one of those rings that was in his collection was made of dental gold. It was melted down like fillings and another goal that would be used for work on the mouth. And if you like, think about his interest in dentistry, think about his maybe connection with c I A. I don't know about you, guys, but it took my mind to wonder if he was maybe involved in interrogation in some way, um, which is maybe really dark, maybe not true at all, but it's where Mr tin Mouse's mind went as well. I've got something that maybe I think it's important. No, but it's a personal note that we need to communicate to you, ten Mouse. Just because your dad never mentioned it, don't take that as any kind of like remark on your relationship with your father. If anything, he was just trying to be protective, right and to maintain sort of a firebreak between his personal life and the things he really cared about and the things that he did doubtlessly from his perspective in service of his country. A lot of folks don't know this, but North Korean forces got close to winning the Korean War for a time. It was not near as like simplified and sanitized as a lot of public school textbooks want people to believe, even if they mentioned the Korean War, which they often do not uh And this this outfit it was with We do know and has been publicly acknowledged by Uncle Sam that the Air Force at this time was facilitating at the very least guerilla operations during the war. This means they were dropping in partisan or proxy forces. They were conducting intelligence gathering activities, and to be fair, intelligence gathering activities is such an umbrella term it could it's like saying sandwich, because there are hundreds of different types of sandwiches, right, millions, thousands at least, And this means that intelligence gathering can encompass anything from a low altitude cover of night fly over to try to get a sense of the enemy forces. But it can also include things like interrogation. At this point, we just don't know, and for a long time, conceivably for for the future, the U s. Public is not going to know the full extent of how the sausage was made there. Yeah, and uh, sons and daughters may not know the full extended what their dads did there, as was shown by our caller. UM. So yeah, I don't know, guys. This is just a really fascinating thing to me. I haven't explored the Korean War in the same way I have some of the other major conflicts in the US has been involved in, And I feel like it's going to be worth my time and I should look into it. You might enjoy if if you want to learn more about this, you might enjoy an article by the National Interest written by Michael Pett It's called Yes, North Korea could have won the Korean War, And this one is fairly recent. This came out in Of course, the National Interest has its own angle on things, so be aware of that when you're reading it. But if you have an interest in this, and we have some people in the audience today who may have been alive during that time, who were seeing the fallout the aftermath of this war, which has not ended, by the way, it's had a ceasefire. There's still lead early beefy um. If you if you want to learn more about this, you might be surprised by how much attention historians put on the long tail consequences of this, the effects of it. Like one of the weirdest things about a war that never ends is the demilitarized zone between the DPRK and the r o K North Korean South Korea is tremendously bio diverse. It's nuts because people don't go there, even with the land mines. It's a better deal for the animals. And a lot of the actually a lot of the propaganda from the southern side is about that, about how great the d m Z is for biodiversity. Nice silver lining. Alright, well, and again with the silver line today. Yeah, yeah, we did it. 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