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I was a fun conversation when that came up last time. I'd love to hear more. Very welcome, all right, So today's Today's New comes from an expert. I always love to hear from subject matter experts. Aaron s you write to us and say, hey, guys, I am a meteorologist, so I thought I could add a bit about cloud seating and lightning since you touched on them. In strange news, cloud seating using silver oxide or any other chemical is based on providing more quote cloud condensation nuclei or CCN. For the rain to form, you need enough large rain drop size drops to form by themselves. It is very hard for drops to grow to this size. However, if there are some CCN present, which can be salt, dust, etcetera, the water can condense onto the CCN, which allows them to grow to rain drop size more easily due to the physics of how drops form. Thus, by adding silver iodide to the atmosphere, you increase the number of CCN, which increases the number of rain drop sized drops, which makes it more likely to rain. That's an excellent explanation. I think here and it kind of demystifies it. But here's the here's where you go a little crazy with us. Aaron kind of in a very factual way. Aaron says, looking at lightning, I can neither confirm nor deny its sentience, especially considering that proton gradients could have been the origins of life. Lead there, however, I can say that lightning occurs when I charge separation within clouds occurs, and it descends from the clouds as multiple tendrils which are all trying to reach the ground, with the tendril that reaches the ground first being the one in which the flow of electricity will flow through. If you then have a lightning rod or its tall object like a tree, then the lightning is more likely to reach the lightning rod before it reaches the ground, and it is thus more likely to strike the lightning rod rather than the ground directly, although it is still possible for the lightning to strike the ground directly. That is why we can only make it more likely for lightning to strike particular places, but cannot directly control where it strikes yet yet because we've got the lasers now. So that that was something that came up on the discussion, Ben, like where a lightning rod alone isn't just going to attract it enough? Like that certainly stacks the deck in your favor, but like to your experts point, it could still strike the ground or a little of both perhaps, right, Yeah, yeah, because what Aaron's saying here is that when we are looking at lightning strikes, we're tending to foot focus on that one that one strike that hits makes a ground connection, and all the other electricity pours into that connection. But really what we're seeing is just the first past the post. But I love the explanation here, and I love I love the demystification, but I also want to know more about proton gradients, origin of life. What do you guys think that even means? I don't know if he's taking it here, and maybe I'm just fully off base, but I believe, well, maybe I'm just wrong with proton gradients because I was thinking has to do with the electrical charge itself, so the energy that that is released with a lightning strike, and that being one of one of the primary ways that particles, biological particles were excited enough to cause some of the changes that were required to bring about life, to to make a mutation out of to make a mutation occur spontane easily. Essentially that would then jump star life. But maybe I'm completely off base with that. I don't think you're too far off there, Matt, because I was I want to shout out con Academy, which is a great way to learn stuff. So I had dug into a little bit some of the papers that were I'll be honest with you, Aaron, this is my job to be honest with people. I is it a lot, and that's what I consider it to be. Okay, Am I not up to snuff? No? No, I just act. That's part of your job. I guess that's interesting. That's a really cool way to look at it. I mean it should be for everybody doing the kind of stuff we do. Right. Uh, we're not going to sell your bone broth, I mean okay, So illumination makes us do all kinds of things that we illumination global and limited. Yeah, I'll give you a real bang up recipe for bone broth. Though. You know, bones add salt to the water, boil the bones. Why do you need to buy the broth from someone? Make your own, use your leftover chicken bones, make your own bone broth. You know. The proof is in the broth. So I did. I did find a pretty good explanation that hopefully will help for the layman's such as myself in the crowd. So, proton cells are powered by these things called proton gradients. Virtually all cells appear to quote unquote breathe by pumping protons. Uh. There was a molecular biologist named Leslie Orgell who said, this is the single most counterintuitive idea and biology after Darwin's. And recent research shows us that proton gradients are necessary for the origin of life because of the way these uh, these gradients form in the way that they interact with the cell in something called wait for it, oxidative phosphorylation. It's our unnecessary word of the day. Go forth and try to use that casually in a conversation. Tell us how you do. And this, uh, proton gradient is just a product of uh, it's like an imbalance. It's a product of what's called an electron transport chain. So a higher concentration of protons outside like the little inner membrane of your mitochondria, which all will remember, the powerhouse of the cell. Uh. That is like the driving force behind what's called a TPS synthesis. So, without getting too much further in the weeds, just to be clear, what Aaron is saying here is that proton gradients could have been the origin of what we call life. But Aaron is not saying that proton gradients are thinking. You know what I mean, he's not saying this proves that lightning is sentient. So it's it's a little bit it would be misleading for us to say a meteorologist wrote to us and said, yeah, maybe lightning could be sentient, because you're not saying that, we're not going to misconstrue it. But I do wish that is what you had said. Um, it's not. But it's not a hard no, it's not. It's like I'm and then the guy in Dumb and Dumber going, so you're saying, there's a yeah, yeah, Um, I just have to add in here. I'm looking at side table from Nature dot com and they've got an article called why our cells powered by proton gradients, And it's got a little piece down there, uh about why possibly this was the origin of life And it doesn't talk about lightning in any sense in there, but uh yeah, really really fascinating stuff. I want to point out this concept of the tendrils from what did he what did he call it? Well, he's talking about the proton gradients and charge separations within the clouds and then they're sending down tendrils to see which one is going to hit the ground first to create the charge and and let it release the energy. Would you say they're racing right, I'm not gonna stop. Yeah, I mean just well, but just that that image I think of a clouds tendrils reaching down at the ground and at you if you're out there, you know, standing in a field and just happened to be unlucky enough to have one of these tendrils reached down near you or to you. Um, that's an eerie, eerie image. Yeah. One thing that I realized we hadn't talked about, which your explanation inspired, Aaron, was the other ways that people have consciously or maybe even unconsciously modified the weather. In two thousand seven, in O. A. A. Put out a paper about hurricane modification. Which I didn't realize this, but back in two thousand seven, Matt, to your earlier story, there was serious research on using lasers to discharge lightning and storms, and they were doing this. This was to um, dissipate a hurricane or step it down before it became one. But then there were other things like pouring liquid nitrogen onto the sea because that would remove the heat energy or hurricane needs. These are things we can do. We're just not totally sure what the other consequences will be, right. Uh. And then there's the idea of very matrix style. This reminded me of you blacking out the sky with soot to change the air temperature. Right in the matrix, the sky is darkened because the the non organic entities are solar powered. But and it comes back the haunt of them spoiler if you haven't seen the matrix. But uh, in this case, they're really like the argument is, let's just go into pollution like one, and then we can stop a hurricane. Yeah, didn't we talk about But I guess that's that would be a small isolated blocking out of the sun. I'm assuming clouds above the clouds essentially, I guess, so, I guess that's what they would have to do. But Uh, to our knowledge, none of these have been used or not that none of the soot stuff has been deployed yet, probably because it's a very difficult thing to control, you know, and in a globally connected weather system. So call back to our stratospheric aerosol injections episode. Yes, Yes, one of the remaining one of the sexiest titles and stuff. They don't want you to know the stuff. They want you to catalog. As we've said in previous segments. Uh, you know, we always love hearing from subject matter experts. Uh. You know, I personally wish more people in civilization would pay attention to the experts. So thanks for writing in Erin, and thank you for or using critical thinking to give me just like that one little give us that one little extra piece of maybe maybe maybe just maybe, uh lightning is it thinking entity? I know, I know Aaron shaking his fist at this guy, say that's not what I said. You were fair about it, gradients man, thank you so much. We're gonna pause for a word from our sponsor. We'll be back with more listener mail. And we're back with another listener mail. This one comes from the B Man. That's right, you heard me, the B Man. Uh. The subject is Denver Airport Murals. Hi, guys, Uh, my name is is b b Man, and I love the show. I just started listening recently to the podcast and I started digging into some of the conspiracy that you've been talking about. Um, in addition to going down some other rabbit holes from some other shows that I got turned onto once I started kind of going down this route. So I have for you guys to look into. I remember just a few years ago, Jesse even Sure I did a conspiracy show about Area fifty one government stuff, so on and so on. But the one that really stuck out for me was the uh were the twelve doomsday murals painted at the Denver International Airport. I recently started to look into this myself. I was hoping that you could do a bit of a rundown on it. Um. And it's something that's come up a bunch on the show, The Denver Report. It's a weird airport. Um. Everything from like the runways supposedly being shaped like swastikas or something, which is absurd. That is how runways are shaped kind of because they have to branch out in different directions and all of that good stuff. But it's the murals that really gets people kind of fascinated. UM. And we did look into it, and we've talked about it in the past, but I thought we could have a little bring it back up again because there is some somewhat of development in the Denver Airport story. UM. The murals themselves are by an artist by the name of Leo Tanguma and um I misspoke in the email is irrelevant. The murals went up in the nineties and um, there was a pretty big investment in one of the terminals there. Uh. It was like millions of dollars devoted to the Jepson terminal. Um. And that's where you'll find a lot of these murals. And they are very striking, there's no question about it. And when I say striking, I mean a little disturbing even Um, there are several of them that are a little more innocuous, that are more just kind of multiculturally themed, like the idea of people from different nationalities coming together. But then there are a few that are very sinister. Like there's one where there's this kind of green clad Nazi Gestapo looking gentleman. Well you can't really tell what gender is or it is because there's a gas mask on, but kind of like a Gestapo sort of hat, holding a submachine gun with a bayonet on it and swinging a saber. Uh. And then there's a pair of ye at the pair of doves at the end of the saber, and then on the left there is like a line of various very stylized a line shrinking off into the horizon of old women clutching dead babies to their breasts, and then like another little panel showing some kind of cowering native looking children, like indigenous looking children. Um, you have another one that shows a dead child in a casket clutching flowers. And you know, like I said that these are they're very striking, but the artist himself has been very disturbed by a lot of the conspiracy theories that have kind of surrounded these everything from their satanic to there's some kind of ritualistic you know something or other. Um. But the thing is these aren't like the only murals that are in the Denver Airport. It's known for its intensely uh curated art collection and it does exhibits, you know, in a in a very it's very important part of the legacy of the Denver Airport um. Starting from this renovation and now for the twenty fifth anniversary coming up this year, they're doing another multimillion dollar renovation and that has led to some of these pieces being taken down. So that's there's a controversy where it say, oh, they finally took them down because there's something a foot, there's something like creepy going on New Ferreas, But it turns out that's not the case at all. They're literally just doing another renovation. And you can actually go to uh fly Denver dot com um and look at they have a whole page devoted to their art collection and you can see which ones are in storage now due to the renovation and which ones aren't. And most of the paintings by this artist are and storage. But there's another interesting development. Um oh, another one of them is like forest fires and like jaguars escaping, you know, these blazes in the Amazon, and lot of them are very environmentalists and and and what have you. But um, a new development is this. On Facebook, there was a post showing an image that's not terribly far off in style of the of the art uh that we're describing from the Denver Airport um and it's it's an image of a bunch of children wearing face masks, like surgical face masks that are all different flags of different countries. And someone posted this on Facebook and said, this Denver Airport mural was painted in n Tell me this is not weird. How far do they plan this stuff in advance. Um, So the idea that someone said that this image is one of the murals in the Denver Airport and that it was predicting the pandemic. Um, if you go to Snopes or fact check dot com, you'll see that this is not the case. It's a different piece of art entirely. That's just sort of in the style of one of the pieces called Children of the World Dream of Peace that is at the Denver Airport but does not feature face masks. So that was the update there. Um, I'd love to just kick it around, and I mean, I know there's a lot to unpack about the Denver Airport and the different conspiracies that have come up over the years. It's certainly been kind of red meat for this kind of discussion. Yeah, we we've talked about this thing several times, made of at least one video on it. Didn't we been I think there's one video. Um got an invitation from Denver Airport to go visit them, which I really enjoyed. If you're listening, I just I think the the invitation was come visit and we'll give you a tour of all the areas they're usually restricted. Uh So, Kim Day, who is the CEO. If you are listening, Yeah, I'm totally down. Wait invited us to it. Yeah, years back when you and I did that the video where we you can see us talking in depth about the art um as well as the sculptures and that you know that that horse and so on. Uh. What's the thing about this is that it is great for the airport. It is fantastic for the airport. Uh. The CEO I mentioned earlier, Kim Day embraces these ideas. They decided years ago, probably not due to our show, but due to things like our show. They decided years ago that they're not going to fight any of this stuff. They're going to have fun with it. So in they did. Uh, they did like a museum, a pop up museum for October. They called it Conspiracy Month, and they also had a conspiracy themed costume party. Why I didn't notice at all. That's amazing. And they screened Close Encounters of the Third Kind. So I think that's why they reached out to us and we're like, hey, yeah, come hang out, which I think is a really smart thing to do. Um. I've always been interested in the idea of they large underground structure beneath the airport, which is like every airport has, most major airports have a lot of extensive underground structuring. But I just I just wonder what it would be. Did we ever find that out, Matt, Do we ever figured that out? Well, I mean we never got to explore it, but we did. You know that, Yes, there's a lot of underground systems that are required. A lot of it's for luggage, a lot of it's for all you know, these other things that are necessary for the facility. Um again that's officially yeah, because you know, and it's always those those weird things because like in a lot of structures across the world that require extensive stone work. The Free and Accepted Masons were a large part of the Denver International Airport's construction. And you know, if if you're if you feel as though the Freemasons are into or have more control I would say than they say they have, then this is one of those things that get your wheels turning. And to know that there's a time capsule that still is there. I don't think it's been moved with the renovations, but there's a capsule. Yeah, it's still there. Yeah, it was laid there by which one the Mason's Prince Hall Grand Lodge he was set. It was set there in March nineteenth is supposed to be opened up in UM. They say they even they used to on the Denver the Fly Denver website. They used to name the contents in there, which includes autographed baseball cards I think baseball autograph for baseball, coins from the black Hawk Casino, UM, all kinds of weird stuff in there. There's a copy of a lawsuit against the old staple To International Airport, which is just like a here's why we did this. I guess I don't know that all matter to made. The Mason stuff is super interesting because like a lot of the messaging behind UM, Tanguma's pieces as art pieces do have kind of an enlightenment kind of quality to them, in the same way that some of the uh whatever the sayings on the Georgia guide stones do like you know, being not a cancer on the earth, leave room for nature, to leave room for nature and all that. One of the pieces UM in the collection is called in Peace and Harmony with Nature, and one half of it UH shows children UM showing sadness and loss over this like burning destroyed you know, wildlife and and trees and nature. And the second half shows humanity kind of coming together. This is this is straight from the Denver Airports website. Humanity coming together to rehability and celebrate nature. Um. And then there's another one called Children of the World Dream of Peace that I mentioned earlier, where it's too two paintings that have similar kind of continuity but very different reality. Is the one is a painting of a city totally crumbling and decay, and the central character is that the figure we described earlier, the gas mask wearing kind of crazy you know, not Nazi looking soldier or the saber. And then the second painting it shows people of diverse kind of ethnic cultures celebrating what appears to be, uh, the corpse of said soldier. So the artists himself complete with the two doves resting on the butt of the soldier's gun. So this artist, tan Guma, has has made it clear that he likes to teach lessons through his art and to you know, teach the idea of diversity and of um taking care of the earth. But I think all those ideals are very much Enlightenment kind of Masonic values, right, yeah, yeah, largely. Um. I think that the thing about the time Capsule going back to that, because I don't know how much we talked about in original episodes. I know we did spend a lot of time on the art because we did it. You know, it was a YouTube video. But the thing about the time Capsule is that it Israel is the It is a Masonic contribution, So of course people who are already anti Masonic are going to make these wild uh claims about it. The thing about the underground stuff is kind of real too. There definitely is an underground Uh. There's four hundred seventy thousand square feet of space and there is graffiti there. But it's not like from aliens. It's the people who are working down there are doing stuff like Smiley was here, you know what I mean, which is very human. You look at the oldest graffiti in human history and it's inevitably something like you know, Big Eric was here, or or two hand tim or that ancient order of the Smiley face Airport killers or could be that underground could be and this this is like I love this stuff because I was really impressed that the airport um Airport Management reached out to US. I thought that that spoke highly to them, and I slightly regret that we didn't. We didn't end up going, but uh, maybe we can get there. We can get their post pandemic. What do you guys think. I'm not quite willing to hop on a plane yet in the US unless I have to. All right, well, I think it's time to take another quick break from a sponsor and then come back with one more listener mail and we are act all right, everyone, we are going to take a bit of a trip through time, maybe in time behind, backwards in time. Essentially it's going to be exciting. Uh, let's jump into a message that we got from Phil. Phil D. Here is what you said. So I'm writing to share with you in experience that you can share if you ever find a place to put it. You have discussed UFOs abduction, blacking out, lost time, and many other kinds of displacement phenomena. What happened to me was a bit odd in comparison. I have lived in St. Louis, Missouri, over thirty years. In this time, I've needed to drive to the other side of the state at least twice a year, often more than twice. On the afternoon of August twenty one, two thousand and three, I finished my business with Springfield and I'm prepping for the drive east. Lunch is over. I've gassed up my truck and I have soda for the road. You have to get ready for these things. It's three hours and fifteen minutes with no stopping. Yeah, that's a side detail you should know about me. Large numbers, NERD numbers, you can always count on them. Zang. I start my truck pulling out of the gas station. It's one oh seven pm. Remember that number, everybody, One oh seven pm. I hit the streets and steer my way on up to the I forty four eastbound. It's one eleven pm. Triple single digit bonus. I slip my Byork Greatest Hits, disc in and jam on the drive home. But I run into one small issue with those plans. At one thirty four pm, I'm turning off I forty four onto I to seventy south and B York is still performing. Only twenty three minutes have passed. Now. Essentially, what he's what uh Phil is saying is that this this trip that should have taken three hours and fifteen minutes only took twenty three minutes in total somehow, And this is according these this according to the clocks that he's been monitoring the situation on um and he goes on to say, some are convinced I misread the time it was one it was eleven eleven a m and misread it as one eleven A m uh. That you know sounds probable, but let's continue, he says, a devout number fanatic misreading the clock twice within five minutes is not likely. Even if it was eleven eleven instead of twenty three minutes, the time from Springfield to you know where he was going to the intersection was two hours and twenty three minutes. Somebody could do that in a tuned sports car, but there's no way I could do it in a fully laden work truck. The time would the time would still be forty five minutes fast. Arriving forty five minutes ahead of time is one thing. Getting there two hours and forty five minutes before schedule is mind boggling. It isn't every day that you're given time by the universe instead of taking it away exactly. That's that's why we're bringing this up right, Because we had just talked about experiences where people have lost time through some kind of experience or abduction phenomena, or you know, belief that they've been abducted. So yeah, go ahead, Ben, what do you think? Well, the first thing I would say is, of course, thank you for writing an infill. As Matt said, this is something that is is a bit unusual for us to hear. What the ideal he thought is probably not relevant was elevation. Phil As a fan of numbers, you're probably already a where that time does move faster at different at different elevations, infintestimally faster. Right, Uh, clock's flown at thirty thou feet run faster than those left behind on the ground. And when we experienced time dilation, if we're astronauts, right, we're exploring the universe, we come back, we're in kind of a Rip van Winkle situation because the people we left behind have aged at Earth rate and we are aged at space rate. A lot of sci fi films and fiction address that, and the physics they's solid as well. This has been something The idea of time dilation in altitude has been something since the days of Einstein and his predictions, but with this I really appreciate the objectivity, you know, saying that I could have misread the time once, but how likely am I to have misread it twice? The tough thing is that there's not a photograph, because who who on Earth or off it would take photographs of their clock every time they looked at it. That's what Apple does. Every time you look at the iOS, That's what there for. So the implication is there was like some sort of blip. I don't believe there's. Yeah, well, I mean the theoretically there's there are a lot of things we could discuss here. I mean, what what he seems to be describing is a wormhole essentially of time. Then he passed through somehow and then ended up on the other side or fast forward somehow occurred. Um. But the weirdest thing for me, all of the details in the story, is that he had a playlist of York playing like great Way in to mark time. And especially if you're like you said, if you're familiar with an album or a set of songs in the order and everything, you you get a feel of how long it takes to get through all that stuff. And he's saying he left and then twenty three minutes later, he was there, Um, I mean, unless you're pulling our leg fill you experience something very weird. I think we can at the very least, I'll agree on that. Yeah, And I would also say, you know, we don't fully under stand time in general. Time is relative. Sure, time is also experiential, you know, and and to a great degree, our emphasis on time and our understanding of it comes from our understanding of, you know, the culture in which we as individuals are raised. So so there are a lot of unanswered questions, especially we can get to the very small and very big parts of what we call reality or our neighborhood of it. Um. Phil, it feels like it's uh, it feels like it's unfair to immediately say, you know, you just misread the time, probably because of those Even putting aside your own personal focus on all things numerical, it seems important to note that we made that point about the playlist being something you're probably familiar with unless it's the first time you heard it. Also that you checked the time twice. Also, the you've this seems like a route you've driven before, you know what I mean, So you're familiar with the route as well. Um, one thing that happens a lot when people drive familiar roads and they listen to familiar songs or familiar shows, maybe like this one. We're all kind of creatures of ritual, right, so we tend to lose time, is Matt you said in the opposite direction, because we encounter what's called road hypnosis or self hypnoms. We're still driving carefully and we're driving cogently, but unless something unusual happens, we're just kind of out of it, you know what I mean, lower activity, and some parts of our brain come to when we turn right into our drugs. Not to mention if you are listening to an album that you're intimately familiar with, almost to the point of hypnosis where it's just kind of background music where you're not really cute in on every little change. You're just so used to it. You're just experiencing it and it's kind of blending into the background or blending into your you know, kind of trancey road situation, which I've I've been there back on. I used to have a CD changer in my car. That's really honestly, when that happens the most is because you have the same five CDs in your car, and you would just listen to them like on a loop, and it would just become ritualized and sort of like embedded in the fabric of your whole driving experience, especially if it was a longer drive. So yeah, no, for sure. Uh, Phil, I'm on Google Maps doing a little testing here to see on I forty four, I believe that's the one you were mentioning. Yes, I forty four and I two seventy looking at the exchange there, if you were to drive twenty three minutes roughly on that road, uh, heading outward, so outbound from the exchange there, going south on I forty four. Uh, it looks like maybe this is what happened. You ended up at the Pacific Palisades Conservation Area and the surrounding nature areas over there, and you ended up fishing there and you didn't realize it. You just you thought you were in Springfield, but you ended up there accidentally and it made that wrong turn in Albuquerque. No, I'm just I'm only joking, Yes, but I'm only only joking there. Um. It's it's really weird to think about this, you guys, And it makes me think what you're saying there been. If I put on a really familiar album and I'm on the road, it does, especially like you said, like commutes feels like it just occurs and it's gone. Or even podcasts sometimes if I'm listening maybe like you are now and on the road or something, it feels as though time has just gone by. But that goes in the other direction though, you know what I mean. You see, That's what it makes this such a such a such an interesting story year is because like, what was happening there? Phil? Did you did you tune out to the sweet silence of York and then just redline your truck all the way? Like? Did you? Did it just happen? Not to get pulled over or clocked or ever? Think, Wow, I am ripping it with the left foot today. Um. I will say that the I am not surprised that the most common feedback you're getting is people saying you misread the time. The reason I'm not surprised is because that is the most mundane explanation. However, uh, and I think you're being very fair about writing that out in this In this correspondence with however, I would say that you are I can see what's confusing because the details you include. You know, I keep going back to the playlist. What I would think is interesting and this is taking a page from for Matt's grimoire here, But what I think you might consider doing if you're if you're in for an adventure, is retracing the route with the same music and start at one oh seven pm. Get get all the variables as close as you can, and see if you can reproduce this and then tell us what happens. What do you guys think? Is that crazy? Am I like demanding too much time from fields? No, dude, he's got to get on the highway at one eleven pm. He's got he's got an extra two hours and forty five minutes from the universe, right, so you could probably yeah, you know, he's got to change. Well, he said he's going fishing, right, that's uh? Or no, yeah, doing business in Springfield? Uh, yep, yep. So he's got a head over to Springfield again, do some trout fishing the other Springfield, Yeah, the other one. Or is this just a Simpsons joke that I'm not getting? Maybe that's what this is. Maybe this whole thing is a Simpsons joke. That I just am missing. Perhaps perhaps, but you know, maybe the entirety of the universe and the way we perceive it is some sort of joke. We just we just don't know who the joke is for. Hopefully it's for us. Hopefully we're not we're the audience of the joke and not the subject. But that's a uh, that's a question for another day. And I guess everything we know about stand up and crowd work shows us those two groups are not mutually exclusive. Great, that's where we got God as a as an insult comic. I hope that is not where the bunch of lit um. But yeah, drive safe, Phil, And seriously, I know it sounds like a little bit of a of a jest, but I would love to I would love to hear back from you. I don't know if if you guys are on board with this, but I would love to hear back from Phil if he has if he does this experiment to get you know what I mean, and try to yeah dash oh yeah, dash cam. But here's here's the other thing I'm thinking too, Matt. If this is a if we learned any thing about our explorations of quantum physics, when we're looking at dreams, we're looking at the passage of time. Then would having extra observers there, whether dash cam or say another person writing shotgun? Would that be too much of a monkey bridge to throw in there. I don't know, dash a good question. Yeah, Oh, dash cam would be good. Yeah, because you know, it's it's one of those things you see in like sci fi movies where when these kind of time jobs happen on security cameras and then all of a sudden, like the clock on this, like the time code jumps on the security camera too. That would be a trippy thing to see, Like in Contact, you guys remember Contact, coster Um, there were parts of that movie I really liked. That were parts of that movie that I really liked. I agree. I thought it was a very Carl Sagany kind of interesting take on all of that stuff, and I really quite enjoyed it. But you're right, there also are parts of it that were not as good. Just said, there are parts of it that I really like. That's that's fair um. Cool cool story either way, and and a fun thought experiment, which I'm always a big fan of. And maybe we have jumped ahead in time a little bit too. The time changed just for peak behind the curtain here, folks, the time change is still a little weird for uh, the four of us, because well, maybe not as weird for people with windows. You guys have windows in your rooms, right yeah, but mine are closed. And whenever I walk out of here on a day like this, when it's six thirty at night, it's pitch dark outside, and I don't like it one bit. I'm always surprised when Code named Doc Holiday, who will like hop off camera a lot of times while we're recording talk. I'm always surprised when you hop on and it's like completely dark where you're recording. Uh it lets me know about the passage of time, because right now, it's like when we it's like when you go see um a late Mattenee movie in the theater, when people used to do that, and then you would walk out and you would think, what alien world am I in? Now? You know what I mean? Enveloped in darkness? That's the best. My son is excited. That means it's time for us to say to fill who else to fill? To arrange s and to another man, oh yes, sorry, b man long may his name rain? I actually really love b Man. I think that's a cool name. Guest to you into all of our other fellow conspiracy realists who wrote to us, who called to uh left a hot take on a YouTube video. We can't wait to hear more from you. One thing, one thing I would say is that we got we We've noticed a pattern. We're facilitating conversation and we're getting so many replies from from one of our fellow listeners to another about a specific a specific things. So you know, our standardized testing episode is gonna be a standalone episode, but it's probably gonna have a lot of feedback from you all, from the educators who have written in, from the people who have experienced this, UH, and we want to keep it going. I just want to emphasize never hesitate to reach out to us with new, wild stuff that you haven't heard us talk about on air before. We love it. 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From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my name is Noel. They called me Ben. We're joined once again with our super producer Alexis code named Doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you are you. You are here, and that makes this stuff they don't want you to know. This is our weekly listener Male segment. We have an abundance of riches from the best part of the show, which I have always maintained, is you, specifically you. Thanks for your time, thanks for listening, and thanks for making this possible. We've got some uh We've got some time jumps, got some airports stories. We've got some experts weighing in kind of whether or not lightning is sentient. So where would you guys like to begin. I don't know light sentient lightning. I was a fun conversation when that came up last time. I'd love to hear more. Very welcome, all right, So today's Today's New comes from an expert. I always love to hear from subject matter experts. Aaron s you write to us and say, hey, guys, I am a meteorologist, so I thought I could add a bit about cloud seating and lightning since you touched on them. In strange news, cloud seating using silver oxide or any other chemical is based on providing more quote cloud condensation nuclei or CCN. For the rain to form, you need enough large rain drop size drops to form by themselves. It is very hard for drops to grow to this size. However, if there are some CCN present, which can be salt, dust, etcetera, the water can condense onto the CCN, which allows them to grow to rain drop size more easily due to the physics of how drops form. Thus, by adding silver iodide to the atmosphere, you increase the number of CCN, which increases the number of rain drop sized drops, which makes it more likely to rain. That's an excellent explanation. I think here and it kind of demystifies it. But here's the here's where you go a little crazy with us. Aaron kind of in a very factual way. Aaron says, looking at lightning, I can neither confirm nor deny its sentience, especially considering that proton gradients could have been the origins of life. Lead there, however, I can say that lightning occurs when I charge separation within clouds occurs, and it descends from the clouds as multiple tendrils which are all trying to reach the ground, with the tendril that reaches the ground first being the one in which the flow of electricity will flow through. If you then have a lightning rod or its tall object like a tree, then the lightning is more likely to reach the lightning rod before it reaches the ground, and it is thus more likely to strike the lightning rod rather than the ground directly, although it is still possible for the lightning to strike the ground directly. That is why we can only make it more likely for lightning to strike particular places, but cannot directly control where it strikes yet yet because we've got the lasers now. So that that was something that came up on the discussion, Ben, like where a lightning rod alone isn't just going to attract it enough? Like that certainly stacks the deck in your favor, but like to your experts point, it could still strike the ground or a little of both perhaps, right, Yeah, yeah, because what Aaron's saying here is that when we are looking at lightning strikes, we're tending to foot focus on that one that one strike that hits makes a ground connection, and all the other electricity pours into that connection. But really what we're seeing is just the first past the post. But I love the explanation here, and I love I love the demystification, but I also want to know more about proton gradients, origin of life. What do you guys think that even means? I don't know if he's taking it here, and maybe I'm just fully off base, but I believe, well, maybe I'm just wrong with proton gradients because I was thinking has to do with the electrical charge itself, so the energy that that is released with a lightning strike, and that being one of one of the primary ways that particles, biological particles were excited enough to cause some of the changes that were required to bring about life, to to make a mutation out of to make a mutation occur spontane easily. Essentially that would then jump star life. But maybe I'm completely off base with that. I don't think you're too far off there, Matt, because I was I want to shout out con Academy, which is a great way to learn stuff. So I had dug into a little bit some of the papers that were I'll be honest with you, Aaron, this is my job to be honest with people. I is it a lot, and that's what I consider it to be. Okay, Am I not up to snuff? No? No, I just act. That's part of your job. I guess that's interesting. That's a really cool way to look at it. I mean it should be for everybody doing the kind of stuff we do. Right. Uh, we're not going to sell your bone broth, I mean okay, So illumination makes us do all kinds of things that we illumination global and limited. Yeah, I'll give you a real bang up recipe for bone broth. Though. You know, bones add salt to the water, boil the bones. Why do you need to buy the broth from someone? Make your own, use your leftover chicken bones, make your own bone broth. You know. The proof is in the broth. So I did. I did find a pretty good explanation that hopefully will help for the layman's such as myself in the crowd. So, proton cells are powered by these things called proton gradients. Virtually all cells appear to quote unquote breathe by pumping protons. Uh. There was a molecular biologist named Leslie Orgell who said, this is the single most counterintuitive idea and biology after Darwin's. And recent research shows us that proton gradients are necessary for the origin of life because of the way these uh, these gradients form in the way that they interact with the cell in something called wait for it, oxidative phosphorylation. It's our unnecessary word of the day. Go forth and try to use that casually in a conversation. Tell us how you do. And this, uh, proton gradient is just a product of uh, it's like an imbalance. It's a product of what's called an electron transport chain. So a higher concentration of protons outside like the little inner membrane of your mitochondria, which all will remember, the powerhouse of the cell. Uh. That is like the driving force behind what's called a TPS synthesis. So, without getting too much further in the weeds, just to be clear, what Aaron is saying here is that proton gradients could have been the origin of what we call life. But Aaron is not saying that proton gradients are thinking. You know what I mean, he's not saying this proves that lightning is sentient. So it's it's a little bit it would be misleading for us to say a meteorologist wrote to us and said, yeah, maybe lightning could be sentient, because you're not saying that, we're not going to misconstrue it. But I do wish that is what you had said. Um, it's not. But it's not a hard no, it's not. It's like I'm and then the guy in Dumb and Dumber going, so you're saying, there's a yeah, yeah, Um, I just have to add in here. I'm looking at side table from Nature dot com and they've got an article called why our cells powered by proton gradients, And it's got a little piece down there, uh about why possibly this was the origin of life And it doesn't talk about lightning in any sense in there, but uh yeah, really really fascinating stuff. I want to point out this concept of the tendrils from what did he what did he call it? Well, he's talking about the proton gradients and charge separations within the clouds and then they're sending down tendrils to see which one is going to hit the ground first to create the charge and and let it release the energy. Would you say they're racing right, I'm not gonna stop. Yeah, I mean just well, but just that that image I think of a clouds tendrils reaching down at the ground and at you if you're out there, you know, standing in a field and just happened to be unlucky enough to have one of these tendrils reached down near you or to you. Um, that's an eerie, eerie image. Yeah. One thing that I realized we hadn't talked about, which your explanation inspired, Aaron, was the other ways that people have consciously or maybe even unconsciously modified the weather. In two thousand seven, in O. A. A. Put out a paper about hurricane modification. Which I didn't realize this, but back in two thousand seven, Matt, to your earlier story, there was serious research on using lasers to discharge lightning and storms, and they were doing this. This was to um, dissipate a hurricane or step it down before it became one. But then there were other things like pouring liquid nitrogen onto the sea because that would remove the heat energy or hurricane needs. These are things we can do. We're just not totally sure what the other consequences will be, right. Uh. And then there's the idea of very matrix style. This reminded me of you blacking out the sky with soot to change the air temperature. Right in the matrix, the sky is darkened because the the non organic entities are solar powered. But and it comes back the haunt of them spoiler if you haven't seen the matrix. But uh, in this case, they're really like the argument is, let's just go into pollution like one, and then we can stop a hurricane. Yeah, didn't we talk about But I guess that's that would be a small isolated blocking out of the sun. I'm assuming clouds above the clouds essentially, I guess, so, I guess that's what they would have to do. But Uh, to our knowledge, none of these have been used or not that none of the soot stuff has been deployed yet, probably because it's a very difficult thing to control, you know, and in a globally connected weather system. So call back to our stratospheric aerosol injections episode. Yes, Yes, one of the remaining one of the sexiest titles and stuff. They don't want you to know the stuff. They want you to catalog. As we've said in previous segments. Uh, you know, we always love hearing from subject matter experts. Uh. You know, I personally wish more people in civilization would pay attention to the experts. So thanks for writing in Erin, and thank you for or using critical thinking to give me just like that one little give us that one little extra piece of maybe maybe maybe just maybe, uh lightning is it thinking entity? I know, I know Aaron shaking his fist at this guy, say that's not what I said. You were fair about it, gradients man, thank you so much. We're gonna pause for a word from our sponsor. We'll be back with more listener mail. And we're back with another listener mail. This one comes from the B Man. That's right, you heard me, the B Man. Uh. The subject is Denver Airport Murals. Hi, guys, Uh, my name is is b b Man, and I love the show. I just started listening recently to the podcast and I started digging into some of the conspiracy that you've been talking about. Um, in addition to going down some other rabbit holes from some other shows that I got turned onto once I started kind of going down this route. So I have for you guys to look into. I remember just a few years ago, Jesse even Sure I did a conspiracy show about Area fifty one government stuff, so on and so on. But the one that really stuck out for me was the uh were the twelve doomsday murals painted at the Denver International Airport. I recently started to look into this myself. I was hoping that you could do a bit of a rundown on it. Um. And it's something that's come up a bunch on the show, The Denver Report. It's a weird airport. Um. Everything from like the runways supposedly being shaped like swastikas or something, which is absurd. That is how runways are shaped kind of because they have to branch out in different directions and all of that good stuff. But it's the murals that really gets people kind of fascinated. UM. And we did look into it, and we've talked about it in the past, but I thought we could have a little bring it back up again because there is some somewhat of development in the Denver Airport story. UM. The murals themselves are by an artist by the name of Leo Tanguma and um I misspoke in the email is irrelevant. The murals went up in the nineties and um, there was a pretty big investment in one of the terminals there. Uh. It was like millions of dollars devoted to the Jepson terminal. Um. And that's where you'll find a lot of these murals. And they are very striking, there's no question about it. And when I say striking, I mean a little disturbing even Um, there are several of them that are a little more innocuous, that are more just kind of multiculturally themed, like the idea of people from different nationalities coming together. But then there are a few that are very sinister. Like there's one where there's this kind of green clad Nazi Gestapo looking gentleman. Well you can't really tell what gender is or it is because there's a gas mask on, but kind of like a Gestapo sort of hat, holding a submachine gun with a bayonet on it and swinging a saber. Uh. And then there's a pair of ye at the pair of doves at the end of the saber, and then on the left there is like a line of various very stylized a line shrinking off into the horizon of old women clutching dead babies to their breasts, and then like another little panel showing some kind of cowering native looking children, like indigenous looking children. Um, you have another one that shows a dead child in a casket clutching flowers. And you know, like I said that these are they're very striking, but the artist himself has been very disturbed by a lot of the conspiracy theories that have kind of surrounded these everything from their satanic to there's some kind of ritualistic you know something or other. Um. But the thing is these aren't like the only murals that are in the Denver Airport. It's known for its intensely uh curated art collection and it does exhibits, you know, in a in a very it's very important part of the legacy of the Denver Airport um. Starting from this renovation and now for the twenty fifth anniversary coming up this year, they're doing another multimillion dollar renovation and that has led to some of these pieces being taken down. So that's there's a controversy where it say, oh, they finally took them down because there's something a foot, there's something like creepy going on New Ferreas, But it turns out that's not the case at all. They're literally just doing another renovation. And you can actually go to uh fly Denver dot com um and look at they have a whole page devoted to their art collection and you can see which ones are in storage now due to the renovation and which ones aren't. And most of the paintings by this artist are and storage. But there's another interesting development. Um oh, another one of them is like forest fires and like jaguars escaping, you know, these blazes in the Amazon, and lot of them are very environmentalists and and and what have you. But um, a new development is this. On Facebook, there was a post showing an image that's not terribly far off in style of the of the art uh that we're describing from the Denver Airport um and it's it's an image of a bunch of children wearing face masks, like surgical face masks that are all different flags of different countries. And someone posted this on Facebook and said, this Denver Airport mural was painted in n Tell me this is not weird. How far do they plan this stuff in advance. Um, So the idea that someone said that this image is one of the murals in the Denver Airport and that it was predicting the pandemic. Um, if you go to Snopes or fact check dot com, you'll see that this is not the case. It's a different piece of art entirely. That's just sort of in the style of one of the pieces called Children of the World Dream of Peace that is at the Denver Airport but does not feature face masks. So that was the update there. Um, I'd love to just kick it around, and I mean, I know there's a lot to unpack about the Denver Airport and the different conspiracies that have come up over the years. It's certainly been kind of red meat for this kind of discussion. Yeah, we we've talked about this thing several times, made of at least one video on it. Didn't we been I think there's one video. Um got an invitation from Denver Airport to go visit them, which I really enjoyed. If you're listening, I just I think the the invitation was come visit and we'll give you a tour of all the areas they're usually restricted. Uh So, Kim Day, who is the CEO. If you are listening, Yeah, I'm totally down. Wait invited us to it. Yeah, years back when you and I did that the video where we you can see us talking in depth about the art um as well as the sculptures and that you know that that horse and so on. Uh. What's the thing about this is that it is great for the airport. It is fantastic for the airport. Uh. The CEO I mentioned earlier, Kim Day embraces these ideas. They decided years ago, probably not due to our show, but due to things like our show. They decided years ago that they're not going to fight any of this stuff. They're going to have fun with it. So in they did. Uh, they did like a museum, a pop up museum for October. They called it Conspiracy Month, and they also had a conspiracy themed costume party. Why I didn't notice at all. That's amazing. And they screened Close Encounters of the Third Kind. So I think that's why they reached out to us and we're like, hey, yeah, come hang out, which I think is a really smart thing to do. Um. I've always been interested in the idea of they large underground structure beneath the airport, which is like every airport has, most major airports have a lot of extensive underground structuring. But I just I just wonder what it would be. Did we ever find that out, Matt, Do we ever figured that out? Well, I mean we never got to explore it, but we did. You know that, Yes, there's a lot of underground systems that are required. A lot of it's for luggage, a lot of it's for all you know, these other things that are necessary for the facility. Um again that's officially yeah, because you know, and it's always those those weird things because like in a lot of structures across the world that require extensive stone work. The Free and Accepted Masons were a large part of the Denver International Airport's construction. And you know, if if you're if you feel as though the Freemasons are into or have more control I would say than they say they have, then this is one of those things that get your wheels turning. And to know that there's a time capsule that still is there. I don't think it's been moved with the renovations, but there's a capsule. Yeah, it's still there. Yeah, it was laid there by which one the Mason's Prince Hall Grand Lodge he was set. It was set there in March nineteenth is supposed to be opened up in UM. They say they even they used to on the Denver the Fly Denver website. They used to name the contents in there, which includes autographed baseball cards I think baseball autograph for baseball, coins from the black Hawk Casino, UM, all kinds of weird stuff in there. There's a copy of a lawsuit against the old staple To International Airport, which is just like a here's why we did this. I guess I don't know that all matter to made. The Mason stuff is super interesting because like a lot of the messaging behind UM, Tanguma's pieces as art pieces do have kind of an enlightenment kind of quality to them, in the same way that some of the uh whatever the sayings on the Georgia guide stones do like you know, being not a cancer on the earth, leave room for nature, to leave room for nature and all that. One of the pieces UM in the collection is called in Peace and Harmony with Nature, and one half of it UH shows children UM showing sadness and loss over this like burning destroyed you know, wildlife and and trees and nature. And the second half shows humanity kind of coming together. This is this is straight from the Denver Airports website. Humanity coming together to rehability and celebrate nature. Um. And then there's another one called Children of the World Dream of Peace that I mentioned earlier, where it's too two paintings that have similar kind of continuity but very different reality. Is the one is a painting of a city totally crumbling and decay, and the central character is that the figure we described earlier, the gas mask wearing kind of crazy you know, not Nazi looking soldier or the saber. And then the second painting it shows people of diverse kind of ethnic cultures celebrating what appears to be, uh, the corpse of said soldier. So the artists himself complete with the two doves resting on the butt of the soldier's gun. So this artist, tan Guma, has has made it clear that he likes to teach lessons through his art and to you know, teach the idea of diversity and of um taking care of the earth. But I think all those ideals are very much Enlightenment kind of Masonic values, right, yeah, yeah, largely. Um. I think that the thing about the time Capsule going back to that, because I don't know how much we talked about in original episodes. I know we did spend a lot of time on the art because we did it. You know, it was a YouTube video. But the thing about the time Capsule is that it Israel is the It is a Masonic contribution, So of course people who are already anti Masonic are going to make these wild uh claims about it. The thing about the underground stuff is kind of real too. There definitely is an underground Uh. There's four hundred seventy thousand square feet of space and there is graffiti there. But it's not like from aliens. It's the people who are working down there are doing stuff like Smiley was here, you know what I mean, which is very human. You look at the oldest graffiti in human history and it's inevitably something like you know, Big Eric was here, or or two hand tim or that ancient order of the Smiley face Airport killers or could be that underground could be and this this is like I love this stuff because I was really impressed that the airport um Airport Management reached out to US. I thought that that spoke highly to them, and I slightly regret that we didn't. We didn't end up going, but uh, maybe we can get there. We can get their post pandemic. What do you guys think. I'm not quite willing to hop on a plane yet in the US unless I have to. All right, well, I think it's time to take another quick break from a sponsor and then come back with one more listener mail and we are act all right, everyone, we are going to take a bit of a trip through time, maybe in time behind, backwards in time. Essentially it's going to be exciting. Uh, let's jump into a message that we got from Phil. Phil D. Here is what you said. So I'm writing to share with you in experience that you can share if you ever find a place to put it. You have discussed UFOs abduction, blacking out, lost time, and many other kinds of displacement phenomena. What happened to me was a bit odd in comparison. I have lived in St. Louis, Missouri, over thirty years. In this time, I've needed to drive to the other side of the state at least twice a year, often more than twice. On the afternoon of August twenty one, two thousand and three, I finished my business with Springfield and I'm prepping for the drive east. Lunch is over. I've gassed up my truck and I have soda for the road. You have to get ready for these things. It's three hours and fifteen minutes with no stopping. Yeah, that's a side detail you should know about me. Large numbers, NERD numbers, you can always count on them. Zang. I start my truck pulling out of the gas station. It's one oh seven pm. Remember that number, everybody, One oh seven pm. I hit the streets and steer my way on up to the I forty four eastbound. It's one eleven pm. Triple single digit bonus. I slip my Byork Greatest Hits, disc in and jam on the drive home. But I run into one small issue with those plans. At one thirty four pm, I'm turning off I forty four onto I to seventy south and B York is still performing. Only twenty three minutes have passed. Now. Essentially, what he's what uh Phil is saying is that this this trip that should have taken three hours and fifteen minutes only took twenty three minutes in total somehow, And this is according these this according to the clocks that he's been monitoring the situation on um and he goes on to say, some are convinced I misread the time it was one it was eleven eleven a m and misread it as one eleven A m uh. That you know sounds probable, but let's continue, he says, a devout number fanatic misreading the clock twice within five minutes is not likely. Even if it was eleven eleven instead of twenty three minutes, the time from Springfield to you know where he was going to the intersection was two hours and twenty three minutes. Somebody could do that in a tuned sports car, but there's no way I could do it in a fully laden work truck. The time would the time would still be forty five minutes fast. Arriving forty five minutes ahead of time is one thing. Getting there two hours and forty five minutes before schedule is mind boggling. It isn't every day that you're given time by the universe instead of taking it away exactly. That's that's why we're bringing this up right, Because we had just talked about experiences where people have lost time through some kind of experience or abduction phenomena, or you know, belief that they've been abducted. So yeah, go ahead, Ben, what do you think? Well, the first thing I would say is, of course, thank you for writing an infill. As Matt said, this is something that is is a bit unusual for us to hear. What the ideal he thought is probably not relevant was elevation. Phil As a fan of numbers, you're probably already a where that time does move faster at different at different elevations, infintestimally faster. Right, Uh, clock's flown at thirty thou feet run faster than those left behind on the ground. And when we experienced time dilation, if we're astronauts, right, we're exploring the universe, we come back, we're in kind of a Rip van Winkle situation because the people we left behind have aged at Earth rate and we are aged at space rate. A lot of sci fi films and fiction address that, and the physics they's solid as well. This has been something The idea of time dilation in altitude has been something since the days of Einstein and his predictions, but with this I really appreciate the objectivity, you know, saying that I could have misread the time once, but how likely am I to have misread it twice? The tough thing is that there's not a photograph, because who who on Earth or off it would take photographs of their clock every time they looked at it. That's what Apple does. Every time you look at the iOS, That's what there for. So the implication is there was like some sort of blip. I don't believe there's. Yeah, well, I mean the theoretically there's there are a lot of things we could discuss here. I mean, what what he seems to be describing is a wormhole essentially of time. Then he passed through somehow and then ended up on the other side or fast forward somehow occurred. Um. But the weirdest thing for me, all of the details in the story, is that he had a playlist of York playing like great Way in to mark time. And especially if you're like you said, if you're familiar with an album or a set of songs in the order and everything, you you get a feel of how long it takes to get through all that stuff. And he's saying he left and then twenty three minutes later, he was there, Um, I mean, unless you're pulling our leg fill you experience something very weird. I think we can at the very least, I'll agree on that. Yeah, And I would also say, you know, we don't fully under stand time in general. Time is relative. Sure, time is also experiential, you know, and and to a great degree, our emphasis on time and our understanding of it comes from our understanding of, you know, the culture in which we as individuals are raised. So so there are a lot of unanswered questions, especially we can get to the very small and very big parts of what we call reality or our neighborhood of it. Um. Phil, it feels like it's uh, it feels like it's unfair to immediately say, you know, you just misread the time, probably because of those Even putting aside your own personal focus on all things numerical, it seems important to note that we made that point about the playlist being something you're probably familiar with unless it's the first time you heard it. Also that you checked the time twice. Also, the you've this seems like a route you've driven before, you know what I mean, So you're familiar with the route as well. Um, one thing that happens a lot when people drive familiar roads and they listen to familiar songs or familiar shows, maybe like this one. We're all kind of creatures of ritual, right, so we tend to lose time, is Matt you said in the opposite direction, because we encounter what's called road hypnosis or self hypnoms. We're still driving carefully and we're driving cogently, but unless something unusual happens, we're just kind of out of it, you know what I mean, lower activity, and some parts of our brain come to when we turn right into our drugs. Not to mention if you are listening to an album that you're intimately familiar with, almost to the point of hypnosis where it's just kind of background music where you're not really cute in on every little change. You're just so used to it. You're just experiencing it and it's kind of blending into the background or blending into your you know, kind of trancey road situation, which I've I've been there back on. I used to have a CD changer in my car. That's really honestly, when that happens the most is because you have the same five CDs in your car, and you would just listen to them like on a loop, and it would just become ritualized and sort of like embedded in the fabric of your whole driving experience, especially if it was a longer drive. So yeah, no, for sure. Uh, Phil, I'm on Google Maps doing a little testing here to see on I forty four, I believe that's the one you were mentioning. Yes, I forty four and I two seventy looking at the exchange there, if you were to drive twenty three minutes roughly on that road, uh, heading outward, so outbound from the exchange there, going south on I forty four. Uh, it looks like maybe this is what happened. You ended up at the Pacific Palisades Conservation Area and the surrounding nature areas over there, and you ended up fishing there and you didn't realize it. You just you thought you were in Springfield, but you ended up there accidentally and it made that wrong turn in Albuquerque. No, I'm just I'm only joking, Yes, but I'm only only joking there. Um. It's it's really weird to think about this, you guys, And it makes me think what you're saying there been. If I put on a really familiar album and I'm on the road, it does, especially like you said, like commutes feels like it just occurs and it's gone. Or even podcasts sometimes if I'm listening maybe like you are now and on the road or something, it feels as though time has just gone by. But that goes in the other direction though, you know what I mean. You see, That's what it makes this such a such a such an interesting story year is because like, what was happening there? Phil? Did you did you tune out to the sweet silence of York and then just redline your truck all the way? Like? Did you? Did it just happen? Not to get pulled over or clocked or ever? Think, Wow, I am ripping it with the left foot today. Um. I will say that the I am not surprised that the most common feedback you're getting is people saying you misread the time. The reason I'm not surprised is because that is the most mundane explanation. However, uh, and I think you're being very fair about writing that out in this In this correspondence with however, I would say that you are I can see what's confusing because the details you include. You know, I keep going back to the playlist. What I would think is interesting and this is taking a page from for Matt's grimoire here, But what I think you might consider doing if you're if you're in for an adventure, is retracing the route with the same music and start at one oh seven pm. Get get all the variables as close as you can, and see if you can reproduce this and then tell us what happens. What do you guys think? Is that crazy? Am I like demanding too much time from fields? No, dude, he's got to get on the highway at one eleven pm. He's got he's got an extra two hours and forty five minutes from the universe, right, so you could probably yeah, you know, he's got to change. Well, he said he's going fishing, right, that's uh? Or no, yeah, doing business in Springfield? Uh, yep, yep. So he's got a head over to Springfield again, do some trout fishing the other Springfield, Yeah, the other one. Or is this just a Simpsons joke that I'm not getting? Maybe that's what this is. Maybe this whole thing is a Simpsons joke. That I just am missing. Perhaps perhaps, but you know, maybe the entirety of the universe and the way we perceive it is some sort of joke. We just we just don't know who the joke is for. Hopefully it's for us. Hopefully we're not we're the audience of the joke and not the subject. But that's a uh, that's a question for another day. And I guess everything we know about stand up and crowd work shows us those two groups are not mutually exclusive. Great, that's where we got God as a as an insult comic. I hope that is not where the bunch of lit um. But yeah, drive safe, Phil, And seriously, I know it sounds like a little bit of a of a jest, but I would love to I would love to hear back from you. I don't know if if you guys are on board with this, but I would love to hear back from Phil if he has if he does this experiment to get you know what I mean, and try to yeah dash oh yeah, dash cam. But here's here's the other thing I'm thinking too, Matt. If this is a if we learned any thing about our explorations of quantum physics, when we're looking at dreams, we're looking at the passage of time. Then would having extra observers there, whether dash cam or say another person writing shotgun? Would that be too much of a monkey bridge to throw in there. I don't know, dash a good question. Yeah, Oh, dash cam would be good. Yeah, because you know, it's it's one of those things you see in like sci fi movies where when these kind of time jobs happen on security cameras and then all of a sudden, like the clock on this, like the time code jumps on the security camera too. That would be a trippy thing to see, Like in Contact, you guys remember Contact, coster Um, there were parts of that movie I really liked. That were parts of that movie that I really liked. I agree. I thought it was a very Carl Sagany kind of interesting take on all of that stuff, and I really quite enjoyed it. But you're right, there also are parts of it that were not as good. Just said, there are parts of it that I really like. That's that's fair um. Cool cool story either way, and and a fun thought experiment, which I'm always a big fan of. And maybe we have jumped ahead in time a little bit too. The time changed just for peak behind the curtain here, folks, the time change is still a little weird for uh, the four of us, because well, maybe not as weird for people with windows. You guys have windows in your rooms, right yeah, but mine are closed. And whenever I walk out of here on a day like this, when it's six thirty at night, it's pitch dark outside, and I don't like it one bit. I'm always surprised when Code named Doc Holiday, who will like hop off camera a lot of times while we're recording talk. I'm always surprised when you hop on and it's like completely dark where you're recording. Uh it lets me know about the passage of time, because right now, it's like when we it's like when you go see um a late Mattenee movie in the theater, when people used to do that, and then you would walk out and you would think, what alien world am I in? Now? You know what I mean? Enveloped in darkness? That's the best. My son is excited. 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