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We're gonna talk about nuclear weapons, we're gonna talk about the center of the universe. We're gonna talk about some of the arithmetic of fraud. And we're doing it all with your help. Where would you guys like to be getting I want to know about the secrets of the universe personally, but that's just me. Well, it's not the secrets of the universe. But we can start here as it is the center apparently of it. Center Tomato Clamado. Yes, let us begin there, and to travel there, we have to go to an email sent to us by ram J J Ram. No, no, I'm supposed to say it, ram J J. Ram. It's like a Bond James Bond situation. Yeah, yeah, that's it. That's it, Ram J J. Ram says, Hey, guys, love the show. Curious if you've ever covered a location in Tulsa, Oklahoma, referred to as quote, the center of the Universe. It's apparently an urban site which possesses a strange acoustic anomaly. I've read up on a lot of speculation as to why, but I'm very curious to hear your thoughts. I've never been there, but it seems to be quite a fantastic place to experience. Keep the awesomeness flowing, guys. Then there's the ram J J rampart. Uh. So let us travel there to Tulsa, Oklahoma, to the center of the universe. You may think, oh, there's probably some kind of monument here, some kind of big sign that says, hey, you're at the center of the universe, some kind of really important structure that lets you know this is where you are. But alas, no, you kind of just have to find it. It's not like that place where you're standing in four states and once. It is not like that. It is it tells you where to stand. Perhaps there is some signage. I haven't seen an actual picture of the sign if there is one. I've just seen the center of the universe, which is a round collection of bricks that it's in a circular form here, and it kind of goes out from one centerpiece, which is kind of green. And supposedly, if you stand right at the center of this circle and you speak or you whisper, a weird thing happens. Your voice becomes kind of like an echo chamber. And you may think, Okay, well, then there's got to be some kind of surrounding buildings or walls or something in the immediate area that's going to reflect that sound of your voice when you're standing right there. But again, no, this thing is open. It's very very open. It's on a pedestrian bridge if you want to get there. It's in the corner of West Archer Street and North Boston a new that's at least the way you can go across the bridge to get to the center of the universe. And it's this, according to Atlas Obscura, directly northwest of the old Union Train depot, which is now the Oklahoma Jazz Hall of Fame. Pretty cool. So what do you think, guys, I don't understand how this functions. It must be buildings that are some far away or some surface that's some distance away from this center that is causing the reflection, because it doesn't seem there doesn't seem to be anything, at least immediately apparent that would cause the kind of reflection. Do you think it might have something to do with some sort of wave anomaly, like some electromagnetic interference that's literally, you know, interfering. I mean, as we know, all sound are waves that are just vibrations that we're picking up with our ears that can be intercepted, They can be bounced, they can be manipulated by lots of things, whether it be surfaces or you know, actual interference. I wonder ring if it might be that are people conjecturing as to what it might be. I haven't seen any major conjecture on what exactly is causing it, because it doesn't It doesn't appear that you have to stand in a certain direction. You don't have to face east or west or anything like that to get the anomaly to occur. It has something to do with the sound like originating from that circle. There are no speakers around or anything like that where sound is being taken in by a microphone and then played back at least to my knowledge, Well, this may be interesting to Ram J J. Ram At least for my money, there's an explanation that takes us. It starts with science, but then also takes us to some cool esoteric places. Shane would, the director of the Tulsa Foundation of Architecture, notes something similar to what you said earlier, Matt, which is that when you are hearing this distortion, you would think you would be surrounded by buildings, and there are structures that are probably creating this, but they're not buildings. There the concrete benches and planters and not to jump ahead, but I assume that's why you're talking a little more about the layout. There's also not an ancient anomaly. It's not like the first founders of what would be called Tulsa arrived and then saw some you know, standing stones. It was once a bridge for before it was a pedestrian path. It was once a bridge for motor vehicles, and it burned down in the eighties and that's when the circular design was put in when it was rebuilt. So what you're what you're hearing is your voice bouncing back off of those concrete walls, similar to what you might hear if you are in an enclosed parking deck or an underground parking deck, or in a cave. You know what I mean. Uh, it's it's fascinating, it's great marketing. It also is not necessarily unique. Chichen Itza had a whispering gallery, and I think there's a cathedral as well. St. Paul's. Maybe, but Matt, you said, I'm sorry, Maybe I misunderstood that this was an open area where there were no visible surfaces for the sound to be bouncing off of. Yeah, it is an open area. It's on a pedestrian bridge, and it's not covered or anything like that. But what what Ben is speaking about it is the I mean it's a pedestrian bridge, so there is stuff like that right the walls that would prevent anyone from going over the bridge or something like that. There are a bunch of benches and other like little small pillars or pylons that are there. Um, so I'm I'm guessing that is what is actually causing it, as as Ben is saying, I guess it would make sense if there's a similar spot in Lake George that has the same thing. You can look that up the Lake George Mystery Spot. I think if you search for the Center of the Universe, you will also find your way to the Lake George Mystery Spot. It's very similar, very very similar, same kind of deal open, but there are benches and concrete walls and things around they're probably causing the same anomaly. I'd like to also recommend something that I want to make recurring uh if if I'm if I'm allowed to do it, I would love to shout out a weird wiki page every time we two listener mail, because this will lead you to who doesn't love a good Wikipedia rabbit hole? This will lead you to a site, a wiki page called list of Places referred to as the Center of the Universe, which also sounds like a good title for postmodern novel. But but be ready for it because it is a time vampire. Like my bedroom is the center of the universe because that's where I sleep, and I am the center of No I'm kidding, um, but now this is why I'm really obviously interested in acoustic anomalies and just acoustic uh behavior. Just again, it's sound is all waves. If you really dig deep into like synthesis and things like that, you realize that a synthesizer isn't it's using electricity to recreate the waves that are our voices or things that you would strike, you know, um, in in the environment or in the world, would make that that creates certain shapes if you like analyze them on ociloscope. And this type of stuff has been exploited, you know, for since the beginning of recorded music. Um, early recorded music, it would have been more like you know, just a room and getting the sound of a live kind of room. But then in like early recording studios, you know, Capitol Records, for example, still has these um they have these kind of parking garage situations like Ben was describing underneath the building, which is if you've been to l A, it's this kind of like record shaped, stacked building and those are some of the most sought after reverb sounds in recorded music. But they're literally just a uh an enclosure um with a speaker that's connected to you know, the soundboard that is sending out whatever source you want to reverberate, and that speaker is playing that source into the chamber, and then a microphone is in there far enough away from it that it's capturing the sound of that sound reverberating in that room, and you can send multiple things to that speaker, and that's how you get like, you know, drum reverb, revocal reverb, and they have several that are all set up a little bit differently in size, a little bit differently. So if you've ever like felt compelled to say, oh, you know, in like a parking garage, it's a very human thing to want to do because it's it's a pleasant sound and it's a sound that you know happens in nature. And even my little home studio I have these panels. I don't want my room to have those reflections. I want to hear the most accurate sound from my studio monitors, and if you introduce those kinds of reflections, it cuts into that and it tricks your ear and thinking. It emphasizes certain frequencies over others and makes it hard to kind of really hone in on what the actual sound that you're hearing is. That's why, more than soundproofing, people treat studios is to make it sound a certain way by eliminating things like standing waves or you know, reflections like we're talking about here. Yeah. Absolutely, It's why you sound great in the shower, no matter who you are exactly. Well, that's why people what reverb on vocals because it sort of hides the imperfections of the performance, you know, because it's sort of smears it a little bit. So it makes it where, you know, even if you're not the most amazing singer, it still sounds cool because you're hearing that sound that just kind of makes it sound larger than life and like the sort of ethereal shimmery echo. You know. So thank you so much m J. J. Ram for sending us that message. If you know of a place like that near you, not necessarily an acoustic anomaly, but maybe just a place that's a little mysterious or weird, something strange happens when you look at something or shout something. We want to hear from you. You know, our number one eight three three std w y t K and also conspiracy at I heart radio dot com. And with that, we're gonna take a quick break and come back for more stories from you. And we're back with more stories from you. That's right you. This one comes from a listener with another amazing kind of bond like bond adjacent um name, Ernie Ernie Powers. He didn't print it like that, but I'm choosing to say it to keep us, you know, on brand um. And Ernie is a c p A and he he had this to say, Hey, guys, love the show. I'm a c p A uh and I've been exposed to a couple of instances of fraud over the course of my career. And the ways an individual might find his or herself committing fraud is very similar to Matt's takeaway on the way the Marines would have gotten involved in smuggling. It's called the ten ten eighty rule, and it states that ten percent of people will always look for a way to steal or game the system. Um, this is me. I guess you could qualify those as like pure career criminals, right. Uh. Ten percent of people are the opposite and would never do such a thing, and the other eight percent can go either way depending on the circumstances. If opportunity, rationalization, and incentive referred to as the fraud triangle exists, they are capable of committing fraud or a similarly nefarious act. When you consider sixty four percent of Americans are living paycheck to paycheck, the incentive can be very easy to find. Matt nailed the rationalization. I believe with that same comparison, um as someone generally just needs to feel like they were promised something that hasn't been delivered. Uh. Since those two factors are so prevalent, we stress the importance of managing the opportunity employees have to commit fraud. The components of the fraud triangle are often compared to the components necessary to create fire. Oxygen is always present, It's not difficult to find some type of fuel, so when a source of heat is applied, nobody is surprised that a fire breaks out. We may be shocked that certain types of people can commit these acts, but sometimes it truly just boils down to someone seeing an opportunity to make life a little better for his or her family. There are obviously people that are seeking financial gain to take vacations or improve their financial staf at us through close vehicles, etcetera. But oftentimes that's not how these things start, or at least in my experience. I don't know how useful any of this is very useful learning, and I'm probably just giving you guys, and so you already know no, not at all, but feel free to share this if you want. They call me Ernie Powers. Yeah, I was not aware of the fraud triangle. Um, it makes perfect sense when I looked it up. It is almost entirely attributed to like accounting like that, but it applies so much broader than that. It's such an interesting thing that, like, this is a concept that is very much taught in business school and taught to, you know, people that are professional c p as or accountants in order to understand and mitigate fraud. But yet it really is something that applies to just kind of I guess you call it white collar crime, right, the kinds of things that maybe you might argue are victimless crimes, you know, But but if you drill down deep enough, I mean, there's always a victim. Yeah. And one thing I really appreciate about you taking the time to write in Ernie is that the difference between like a Strange News or listener mail segment versus an actual episode is that we want to bring kind of a woman's sampler of different different stories to you, and then we often explore these in full episodes. I believe we talked about it on that on that Strange News. It broke down some of the process, so we did have to spend some time talking about the specifics of the instance. And that is why it's awesome that you are sharing this information about the fraud triangle. Uh No, I would go on. I would say that it goes past that, not just past accounting, but but past you know, so called victimless crimes as well, because the human mind has long been capable of cognitive parkour of rationalization, and it's something that knows no threshold of intelligence or lack thereof. People are very good at rationalized see things. People are opportunists, of course, most all living things are. And I think it's it's a rubric or an idea that one can apply to many, many, many many things. Uh, there are a lot of interesting social experiments that you can conduct that also present cases where this triangle goes into play, for sure. And I found a really neat article on the website of the Business School in ced to the guts House pronounced I N S E A D and Manfred F. R. Cats Devise the distinguished Clinical Professor of Leadership Development and Organizational Change and in seed also possesses an amazing name and an even more amazing headshot. Um. You can find on this article he described the concept of white collar crime. Um, it's not it's not a purely like intuitive thing. I mean, even the concept of like blue collar jobs versus white collar jobs. Like I don't fully know that the etymology or the history of those, but the term white color crime was coined in nineteen thirty nine by a criminologist named Edwin Sutherland. Um. And I'm getting this from that article. And uh. He refers to white collar crime as being associated with the educated and affluent and refers to them as a financially motivated, nonviolent wrongdoing that takes place in the office environment and involves the manipulation of accounting and finance systems, so you know, insider trading, embezzlement, for example, things like that. It's a crime of opportunity UM. And as Ernie points out, opportunity is one of the most important you know, components of the uh, the fraud triangle UM. The other one is motivation. So it could be motivated by say, like you know, drug addiction, or let's say you have a family member quote unquote benevolent versions of this. Let's say you have a child or a family member that is, you know, very ill, and you can't afford to pay the hospital bills, and you see this thing present itself to you, and you are able to rationalize, well, I need this. I'm not being taken care of. I mean, especially, as Ernie pointed out, with people living paycheck to paycheck and living in a country like ours, where you know, healthcare is absolutely not a right uh and most people don't have healthcare that's good enough to cover some sort of catastrophic event like that. You see this as the plot of movies all the time. You know, someone like Walter White. It's not a white collar crime that he commits. He decides to cook meth using the skills that he has, but he's doing it for what seemed to be at the time a benevolent reason. He wants to leave his family with some money after he dies because he's been diagnosed with terminal cancer. It's it's really like a plot device you see all over the place, UM. But as I pointed out earlier, there often is a victim UM at some point in the chain, and it's usually not the big guys. It's usually someone else because, as the same article points out, white collar crime UM costs the global economy around five trillion dollars a year UM. And and that's you know, that's a big hit, uh in a way that I think would probably affect others that are connected to the global economy who aren't the hedge fund types, you know, or the CEO types. Well, at least according to this rule, we know that only people can be committing fraud at any given time. Because yeah, but it's not always the same ten. It depends on what the rationalizations and the opportunities are that are presented in each particular case. But it is a it is a nice thought in this case. One thing that's really interesting about what you're bringing up, Ernie. One thing that I really appreciate is that this also presents us with the case that I didn't I didn't tease out the entirety of to bring it back to Marines and human trafficking, which is simply this. Those guys were not the ring leaders by any any stretch, right, There was there was coordination on the other side of the border by somewhat coyote are Cartel's, someone who was higher up in the chain orchestrating this, And you have to wonder at that point what their motivation set looks like, what their rationalization set looks like. Humans are fascinating mechanisms for sure, But I do think, UM, I do think it's important to remember that in this case, um human traffic, any kind of illegal border movement activity, contains both what you would call street level crime and white collar crime. So that we could apply this fraud motivation triangle. We could apply to this fraud triangle to people at the top of the pyramid and people uh second from the bottom, because of course, the people who are at the bottom are the folks who often disadvantaged, if not outright helpless, who have valuable human lives, who are being exploited uh by by criminals, you know, and it's it's tough to know the motivations, but I think it is especially valuable, Ernie, for all our fellow conspiracy realists, to know that a framework exists through which you can determine to a degree a person's motivations for an action or activity, as well as a little bit of their future likelihood share you commit things like fraud in particular in the future. One one point that I found in that insde article but I thought was interesting, um, when it comes to the pressure component of the fraud triangle, is they reference the Wells Fargo account fraud scandal, where like, you know, employees that are like you know, lower level employees are making all these duplicate accounts so they can like hit their quotas of you know, these fees and all of that. Um. The article points out that if the employee believes that they are being ordered to do something wrong, they might not feel personally responsible, which is something we've seen and what was that study been experiment where you know, your your order to torture somebody, you're able to kind of like you know, um off lay that responsibility to your supervisor and therefore start to look at yourself more as a tool of that person. And maybe you're in this situation because this is your job and you therefore you need the job, so it's easier to kind of justify your actions because you're attributing them to somebody that's, you know, telling you what to do. Um and another video I think I watched pointed out that one way to mitigate this is to make sure that you know corporations are establishing clear ethical lines, you know, where there isn't there is a framework of ethics at every level of leadership. Because if you think that your bosses are perpetrating fraud or asking you to perpetrate fraud, chances are you're not gonna feel bad at all about doing it for yourself and taking a little piece. So on that note, uh, let us take a little pause, and then we're back with some more messages from you. And we've returned with one more piece of correspondence. So Biker Girl takes the email route and writes to us at conspiracy at iHeart radio dot com, saying the following, Hi guys, the current situation in Ukraine has me thinking about the US is nuclear arsenal? What weapons do we have? What can each of them do how many of them do we have? What does Russia have? Of course some of this is probably secret, but what is known. I just don't think the common joe knows this stuff, and it would be informative to know given current events. Stay cool, Biker Girl, Well thanks b G. I never was particularly cool, but I do appreciate it. So this is this is interesting because when I see this talked about off and just in base terms or whatever they call it, high level conversations and mass media, they don't talk about some of the exceptions. So what I'd like to do is just very briefly breakdown the numbers and then also break down some of the stuff they don't want you to know. That loopholes, candidly loopholes the ever loving out of some of those numbers. So first, there are a ton of nuclear well I mentioned tons earlier. It's it's it's a great idiom, but it's not the best unit of measurement for these types of mega tons. There we go, Yeah, it's uh, there are quite a few. There are thousands, thousands, uh. As you see if you look at reputable places like the Federation of American Scientists, they've estimated that due to treaties regarding partial nuclear dismantlement. Right now, as of early they are estimated twelve thousand, seven hundred warheads possessed by a group, a consortium of about nine countries. Of all nuclear warheads on the planet and probably in space that happens are owned by Russia and the United States. That makes them the nuclear superpowers. But nuclear weaponry is a great and dangerous equalizer. You know, if you are a state positioned in the right place and you have one nuke, you still have a terrible Wonka esque golden ticket to start World War three. It's not the same as one machine gun versus thirty. So what happens here is that we're looking these numbers. You're gonna see variants in estimates. You're going to see things like, uh, the way Federation Americans side to split is that Russian the US have around four thousand warheads and their military stockpiles. The issue is warheads have a couple of different states. So if a warhead or a nuclear armament is in storage, then you can't whip it out. It's not like hopping in the garage on the weekend and taking your jag out for a spin. You gotta do a lot of stuff to make sure it works, and you have to be very careful because it's a nuclear weapon, so it's it's uh, there are high state consequences. What I'm saying, is it an issue been of the degrading over time or leakage or problems with maintenance, or is it more just a procedural thing like you really gotta you know, get it hooked up to the right gear to make it go. H E all of the above, I would say on that on that ELSAC question. Yeah, there there are a ton of things you have to check right, and there's a lot of it is estimates, honestly, biker girl, because you're you nailed it. About the secrecy. The exact number of nuclear weapons in each country's possession is a closely held national secret. You want all your cards on the table because then you are putting yourself in a disadvantageous position in the game. Most nuclear armed states don't really give you a ton of information about the size of their nuclear stockpiles, but they do have varying degrees of secrecy. As a matter of fact, between the US disclosed it's total stockpile size and they did this routinely and if you believe them, then that's all well and good. Uh. In under the Trump administration, the US stopped that practice. This was called nuclear transparency. So if you if you look at a table, you will see that there are a couple of different ways to break these down. Not all of them, as I said, are in the state in the same state, and some of them can't get there. Like total number of warheads is not really the answer you're looking for. Like if you say, okay, if you look at everything a total inventory, Russia actually has more nuclear armaments officially than the US. If you look at everything, they have about five thousand, nine hundred and seventy seven to the US is five thousand, four hundred and twenty eight. But some of those are reserve, they're in storage, they're in military stockpiles. They're not non deployed it's called or they are waiting in line essentially to be safely dismantled. What you really want to look at is what the warheads. They are considered deployed strategic warheads. Russia has about one thousand, five hundred and the US has about one thousand, six hundred and forty four. They are by far the biggest numbers in the game. There's no like Shamalan plot twists with all of a sudden, you know, Namibia having six thousand warheads just out in subs somewhere. I would say, also more importantly, for people who have to think about the possibility of nuclear war, we have to consider that the amount of warheads total. While it's a fun number to know, fun, uh, Well, I would say a number that's important to know. You need to know how many are strategically deployed, and perhaps more importantly, you need to know their locations. So it's it's well and good to know Russia has x amount of nuclear armament. Uh, and of those X amounts are actually deployed somewhere. But the real the sauce, you know what I mean, the real juicy stuff is to know where they are deployed, what state they are in, are they at high alert so odd. So, for instance, if you take subs out of the equation, which you definitely should not, the country of Russia has about twenty five I C B M launch sites, right Uh, those can theoretically be negated by the US is twenty B two stealth bombers, stealth bombers are tough to catch. They can they can do that drive by, you know what I mean. So those could theoretically be rendered inoperative. The danger, the real danger for a lot of folks, is the submarine fleet. Because submarines, both the nuclear powered ones and the diesel electric as they're called, are very very good at being quiet. They're very very good at sneaking around. They're very good at not being caught, were being seen until they want to be. And when we talk about the danger of nuclear deployment of first strike capability, then we're talking in a very real way about the possibility of a submarine surfacing just like that Chinese sub did during a US military exercise a few years back, and totally catching everyone unawares. That means that no matter how quickly people scramble to put in whatever contingencies they have, the missile could already launch and not to be alarmists. But that's that's a real thing. Um. As we talked about last week, Ukraine did have its own nukes for a while in the nineties. They d nuclearized. We also, let's see what weapons do we have. We gave you some of those numbers we said they're not all created equal, uh, in terms of what they can each do, and uh, you know the different let's call them genres of nuclear weaponry. That feels like a full episode. I do want to point out that, given the relatively decrepit state of a lot of Russian hardware, I would not be surprised if some of their stuff just needs to be mothballed like in Ukraine. One of the reasons, uh, they may have been using that Z on different vehicles right to indicate, hey, we're friends, is because a lot of their communication is on unencrypted analog radio. Yeah, so they're not perhaps as capable as a lot of Cold War hawks wanted us to believe once upon a time. UM. I don't know how much further we want to go into this before doing an episode audit, but I do want to note that there are loopholes or problems with the big daddy of nuclear dismantlement agreements, the Nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty, which we've mentioned on the show in the past. It's been in play for like thirty five years. Hundred and eighty nine countries signed it. For the record, uh, think of it like every country in the world, but around three basically, uh, it is almost always at a crisis point, and it's not perfect. It does have loopholes. Some things that the average person would consider nuclear weapons don't necessarily apply under that treaty because the treaty is by nature and exercise and compromise. Right parton the accidental rhyme hashtag accidental rhyme. But you need to know right now is that we will work on an episode exploring as in depth as possible the actual deliverable nuclear capability of both Russia and the US. A lot of the estimates that you're going to read again very because they are estimates. They are based on sometimes propagandistic leaks, sometimes good faith insider leaks, sometimes just guesses from people in the industry. But what you should know in terms of deployed nuclear weapons right now, if you're looking at the warheads, the warheads are like the tip of the arrow. Okay, they're They're like the needle of the dart and intercontinental ballistic missile itself is just sort of a delivery system for the warhead. Right The bombers, the submarines, those are the things you have to watch out for. And right now, Russia does have a ton of those that are deployed that are active. You heard the statement a while back where Ladimir Putin put them on high alert. The US is also playing this game I C b MS, submarine payloads, bombers and this this is a scary situation because going back to the importance of location Biker girl. UH. One thing that has long been a very sore point for the Russian government is that the US nuclear weapons that are deployed, they're not all just in a state or readiness out there in the hinter lands of this continent. They're not all just in subs. There are about a hundred around a hundred nuclear weapons US made, US owned stored in Europe and they are at wait for it, NATO basis because NATO allows Uncle Sam to build a house in your backyard there in Italy, Germany, Turkey, the Netherlands, Belgium. Uh. And one of the big things from the Russian perspective they're pushing against is the idea of NATO bases being in new NATO countries like further and further east, because for them, that is the same thing as nuclear weapons getting closer and closer to the Russian border. UM. There is a thing called the Start Treaty, which has a lot of information about this, mainly phrased as ways to put caps on how many nuclear warheads can be deployed. But there are multiple very dangerous ways that this could go wrong. I want to pause here to ask you, guys, do you think it would be worthwhile to do an episode on actual nuclear capabilities? Absolutely? Yeah, I mean there's got to be, you know, details out there that we could sort of puzzle piece together and kind of figure out largely what the score is. And I know how important secrecy is, but you made some really good points, Ben, I think it'd be worth kind of sessing out bigger picture. There were rumors recently, I believe, coming out of Russian and crect me if I'm wrong here, guys that you Ene was at least according to their intelligence, preparing to detonate some kind of dirty nuclear bomb or weapon. And again these are these are rumors coming out and it just it makes me want to know exactly how many ballistic missile submarines exist around the globe that could potentially launch an attack if there if a nuke was you know, detected by some of these systems that are aging that are supposed to let countries know if a nuke has gone off, and in the case of a dirty bomb, it wouldn't be the same obviously, but it's still just scary to imagine some small nuclear explosion could occur and then like automated systems could get triggered or most tying dead hand. Yeah, or I would like to point out again the nation of Israel has officially never confirmed that they have nuclear weapons, but they do have the the government of Israel does have a policy that is uh. I'm laughing because I'm a fan of Gallos humor, but the policies I understand it is essentially that if any nation fires for any reason at the at the Middle Eastern nation of Israel, then they're just gonna fire everything, you know what I mean, Cowabunga style. Uh and no, And that's a nobody wants nuclear Cowabunga. No one wants to see that. But that's where we're at. So we'll do Biker Girl is uh. We will we'll call it today for now we are going to return with an episode asking how many nukes actually exists. Thank you so very much. Also, of course, thank you to Mr Ernie Powers. First of his name. Thank you to ROMs J J. ROMs, and thank you to all of our fellow conspiracy realists who have wrote in today. If you would like to continue the conversation, you can always find us online where on Facebook at here's where it gets crazy. We're on Instagram. You can find us as individuals if you want to reach out that way. Uh and if you don't sip those social meats, have no fear. 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From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my name is Noel. They called me Ben. We're joined as always with our super producer Paul mission controlled decads. Most importantly, you are you. You are here, and that makes this the stuff they don't want you to know. It is Thursday if you're listening to this on the day it comes out, which means I'd like to officially welcome you to our weekly listener Male segment. We dive into the nooks and crannies of social media. We hunt down strange, mysterious voices on the phone across the planet. Uh. We read every single email we get, and we, once again every week, face the herculean task of finding just three stories to share with you. The best part of our show, our fellow conspiracy realists. We're gonna talk about nuclear weapons, we're gonna talk about the center of the universe. We're gonna talk about some of the arithmetic of fraud. And we're doing it all with your help. Where would you guys like to be getting I want to know about the secrets of the universe personally, but that's just me. Well, it's not the secrets of the universe. But we can start here as it is the center apparently of it. Center Tomato Clamado. Yes, let us begin there, and to travel there, we have to go to an email sent to us by ram J J Ram. No, no, I'm supposed to say it, ram J J. Ram. It's like a Bond James Bond situation. Yeah, yeah, that's it. That's it, Ram J J. Ram says, Hey, guys, love the show. Curious if you've ever covered a location in Tulsa, Oklahoma, referred to as quote, the center of the Universe. It's apparently an urban site which possesses a strange acoustic anomaly. I've read up on a lot of speculation as to why, but I'm very curious to hear your thoughts. I've never been there, but it seems to be quite a fantastic place to experience. Keep the awesomeness flowing, guys. Then there's the ram J J rampart. Uh. So let us travel there to Tulsa, Oklahoma, to the center of the universe. You may think, oh, there's probably some kind of monument here, some kind of big sign that says, hey, you're at the center of the universe, some kind of really important structure that lets you know this is where you are. But alas, no, you kind of just have to find it. It's not like that place where you're standing in four states and once. It is not like that. It is it tells you where to stand. Perhaps there is some signage. I haven't seen an actual picture of the sign if there is one. I've just seen the center of the universe, which is a round collection of bricks that it's in a circular form here, and it kind of goes out from one centerpiece, which is kind of green. And supposedly, if you stand right at the center of this circle and you speak or you whisper, a weird thing happens. Your voice becomes kind of like an echo chamber. And you may think, Okay, well, then there's got to be some kind of surrounding buildings or walls or something in the immediate area that's going to reflect that sound of your voice when you're standing right there. But again, no, this thing is open. It's very very open. It's on a pedestrian bridge if you want to get there. It's in the corner of West Archer Street and North Boston a new that's at least the way you can go across the bridge to get to the center of the universe. And it's this, according to Atlas Obscura, directly northwest of the old Union Train depot, which is now the Oklahoma Jazz Hall of Fame. Pretty cool. So what do you think, guys, I don't understand how this functions. It must be buildings that are some far away or some surface that's some distance away from this center that is causing the reflection, because it doesn't seem there doesn't seem to be anything, at least immediately apparent that would cause the kind of reflection. Do you think it might have something to do with some sort of wave anomaly, like some electromagnetic interference that's literally, you know, interfering. I mean, as we know, all sound are waves that are just vibrations that we're picking up with our ears that can be intercepted, They can be bounced, they can be manipulated by lots of things, whether it be surfaces or you know, actual interference. I wonder ring if it might be that are people conjecturing as to what it might be. I haven't seen any major conjecture on what exactly is causing it, because it doesn't It doesn't appear that you have to stand in a certain direction. You don't have to face east or west or anything like that to get the anomaly to occur. It has something to do with the sound like originating from that circle. There are no speakers around or anything like that where sound is being taken in by a microphone and then played back at least to my knowledge, Well, this may be interesting to Ram J J. Ram At least for my money, there's an explanation that takes us. It starts with science, but then also takes us to some cool esoteric places. Shane would, the director of the Tulsa Foundation of Architecture, notes something similar to what you said earlier, Matt, which is that when you are hearing this distortion, you would think you would be surrounded by buildings, and there are structures that are probably creating this, but they're not buildings. There the concrete benches and planters and not to jump ahead, but I assume that's why you're talking a little more about the layout. There's also not an ancient anomaly. It's not like the first founders of what would be called Tulsa arrived and then saw some you know, standing stones. It was once a bridge for before it was a pedestrian path. It was once a bridge for motor vehicles, and it burned down in the eighties and that's when the circular design was put in when it was rebuilt. So what you're what you're hearing is your voice bouncing back off of those concrete walls, similar to what you might hear if you are in an enclosed parking deck or an underground parking deck, or in a cave. You know what I mean. Uh, it's it's fascinating, it's great marketing. It also is not necessarily unique. Chichen Itza had a whispering gallery, and I think there's a cathedral as well. St. Paul's. Maybe, but Matt, you said, I'm sorry, Maybe I misunderstood that this was an open area where there were no visible surfaces for the sound to be bouncing off of. Yeah, it is an open area. It's on a pedestrian bridge, and it's not covered or anything like that. But what what Ben is speaking about it is the I mean it's a pedestrian bridge, so there is stuff like that right the walls that would prevent anyone from going over the bridge or something like that. There are a bunch of benches and other like little small pillars or pylons that are there. Um, so I'm I'm guessing that is what is actually causing it, as as Ben is saying, I guess it would make sense if there's a similar spot in Lake George that has the same thing. You can look that up the Lake George Mystery Spot. I think if you search for the Center of the Universe, you will also find your way to the Lake George Mystery Spot. It's very similar, very very similar, same kind of deal open, but there are benches and concrete walls and things around they're probably causing the same anomaly. I'd like to also recommend something that I want to make recurring uh if if I'm if I'm allowed to do it, I would love to shout out a weird wiki page every time we two listener mail, because this will lead you to who doesn't love a good Wikipedia rabbit hole? This will lead you to a site, a wiki page called list of Places referred to as the Center of the Universe, which also sounds like a good title for postmodern novel. But but be ready for it because it is a time vampire. Like my bedroom is the center of the universe because that's where I sleep, and I am the center of No I'm kidding, um, but now this is why I'm really obviously interested in acoustic anomalies and just acoustic uh behavior. Just again, it's sound is all waves. If you really dig deep into like synthesis and things like that, you realize that a synthesizer isn't it's using electricity to recreate the waves that are our voices or things that you would strike, you know, um, in in the environment or in the world, would make that that creates certain shapes if you like analyze them on ociloscope. And this type of stuff has been exploited, you know, for since the beginning of recorded music. Um, early recorded music, it would have been more like you know, just a room and getting the sound of a live kind of room. But then in like early recording studios, you know, Capitol Records, for example, still has these um they have these kind of parking garage situations like Ben was describing underneath the building, which is if you've been to l A, it's this kind of like record shaped, stacked building and those are some of the most sought after reverb sounds in recorded music. But they're literally just a uh an enclosure um with a speaker that's connected to you know, the soundboard that is sending out whatever source you want to reverberate, and that speaker is playing that source into the chamber, and then a microphone is in there far enough away from it that it's capturing the sound of that sound reverberating in that room, and you can send multiple things to that speaker, and that's how you get like, you know, drum reverb, revocal reverb, and they have several that are all set up a little bit differently in size, a little bit differently. So if you've ever like felt compelled to say, oh, you know, in like a parking garage, it's a very human thing to want to do because it's it's a pleasant sound and it's a sound that you know happens in nature. And even my little home studio I have these panels. I don't want my room to have those reflections. I want to hear the most accurate sound from my studio monitors, and if you introduce those kinds of reflections, it cuts into that and it tricks your ear and thinking. It emphasizes certain frequencies over others and makes it hard to kind of really hone in on what the actual sound that you're hearing is. That's why, more than soundproofing, people treat studios is to make it sound a certain way by eliminating things like standing waves or you know, reflections like we're talking about here. Yeah. Absolutely, It's why you sound great in the shower, no matter who you are exactly. Well, that's why people what reverb on vocals because it sort of hides the imperfections of the performance, you know, because it's sort of smears it a little bit. So it makes it where, you know, even if you're not the most amazing singer, it still sounds cool because you're hearing that sound that just kind of makes it sound larger than life and like the sort of ethereal shimmery echo. You know. So thank you so much m J. J. Ram for sending us that message. If you know of a place like that near you, not necessarily an acoustic anomaly, but maybe just a place that's a little mysterious or weird, something strange happens when you look at something or shout something. We want to hear from you. You know, our number one eight three three std w y t K and also conspiracy at I heart radio dot com. And with that, we're gonna take a quick break and come back for more stories from you. And we're back with more stories from you. That's right you. This one comes from a listener with another amazing kind of bond like bond adjacent um name, Ernie Ernie Powers. He didn't print it like that, but I'm choosing to say it to keep us, you know, on brand um. And Ernie is a c p A and he he had this to say, Hey, guys, love the show. I'm a c p A uh and I've been exposed to a couple of instances of fraud over the course of my career. And the ways an individual might find his or herself committing fraud is very similar to Matt's takeaway on the way the Marines would have gotten involved in smuggling. It's called the ten ten eighty rule, and it states that ten percent of people will always look for a way to steal or game the system. Um, this is me. I guess you could qualify those as like pure career criminals, right. Uh. Ten percent of people are the opposite and would never do such a thing, and the other eight percent can go either way depending on the circumstances. If opportunity, rationalization, and incentive referred to as the fraud triangle exists, they are capable of committing fraud or a similarly nefarious act. When you consider sixty four percent of Americans are living paycheck to paycheck, the incentive can be very easy to find. Matt nailed the rationalization. I believe with that same comparison, um as someone generally just needs to feel like they were promised something that hasn't been delivered. Uh. Since those two factors are so prevalent, we stress the importance of managing the opportunity employees have to commit fraud. The components of the fraud triangle are often compared to the components necessary to create fire. Oxygen is always present, It's not difficult to find some type of fuel, so when a source of heat is applied, nobody is surprised that a fire breaks out. We may be shocked that certain types of people can commit these acts, but sometimes it truly just boils down to someone seeing an opportunity to make life a little better for his or her family. There are obviously people that are seeking financial gain to take vacations or improve their financial staf at us through close vehicles, etcetera. But oftentimes that's not how these things start, or at least in my experience. I don't know how useful any of this is very useful learning, and I'm probably just giving you guys, and so you already know no, not at all, but feel free to share this if you want. They call me Ernie Powers. Yeah, I was not aware of the fraud triangle. Um, it makes perfect sense when I looked it up. It is almost entirely attributed to like accounting like that, but it applies so much broader than that. It's such an interesting thing that, like, this is a concept that is very much taught in business school and taught to, you know, people that are professional c p as or accountants in order to understand and mitigate fraud. But yet it really is something that applies to just kind of I guess you call it white collar crime, right, the kinds of things that maybe you might argue are victimless crimes, you know, But but if you drill down deep enough, I mean, there's always a victim. Yeah. And one thing I really appreciate about you taking the time to write in Ernie is that the difference between like a Strange News or listener mail segment versus an actual episode is that we want to bring kind of a woman's sampler of different different stories to you, and then we often explore these in full episodes. I believe we talked about it on that on that Strange News. It broke down some of the process, so we did have to spend some time talking about the specifics of the instance. And that is why it's awesome that you are sharing this information about the fraud triangle. Uh No, I would go on. I would say that it goes past that, not just past accounting, but but past you know, so called victimless crimes as well, because the human mind has long been capable of cognitive parkour of rationalization, and it's something that knows no threshold of intelligence or lack thereof. People are very good at rationalized see things. People are opportunists, of course, most all living things are. And I think it's it's a rubric or an idea that one can apply to many, many, many many things. Uh, there are a lot of interesting social experiments that you can conduct that also present cases where this triangle goes into play, for sure. And I found a really neat article on the website of the Business School in ced to the guts House pronounced I N S E A D and Manfred F. R. Cats Devise the distinguished Clinical Professor of Leadership Development and Organizational Change and in seed also possesses an amazing name and an even more amazing headshot. Um. You can find on this article he described the concept of white collar crime. Um, it's not it's not a purely like intuitive thing. I mean, even the concept of like blue collar jobs versus white collar jobs. Like I don't fully know that the etymology or the history of those, but the term white color crime was coined in nineteen thirty nine by a criminologist named Edwin Sutherland. Um. And I'm getting this from that article. And uh. He refers to white collar crime as being associated with the educated and affluent and refers to them as a financially motivated, nonviolent wrongdoing that takes place in the office environment and involves the manipulation of accounting and finance systems, so you know, insider trading, embezzlement, for example, things like that. It's a crime of opportunity UM. And as Ernie points out, opportunity is one of the most important you know, components of the uh, the fraud triangle UM. The other one is motivation. So it could be motivated by say, like you know, drug addiction, or let's say you have a family member quote unquote benevolent versions of this. Let's say you have a child or a family member that is, you know, very ill, and you can't afford to pay the hospital bills, and you see this thing present itself to you, and you are able to rationalize, well, I need this. I'm not being taken care of. I mean, especially, as Ernie pointed out, with people living paycheck to paycheck and living in a country like ours, where you know, healthcare is absolutely not a right uh and most people don't have healthcare that's good enough to cover some sort of catastrophic event like that. You see this as the plot of movies all the time. You know, someone like Walter White. It's not a white collar crime that he commits. He decides to cook meth using the skills that he has, but he's doing it for what seemed to be at the time a benevolent reason. He wants to leave his family with some money after he dies because he's been diagnosed with terminal cancer. It's it's really like a plot device you see all over the place, UM. But as I pointed out earlier, there often is a victim UM at some point in the chain, and it's usually not the big guys. It's usually someone else because, as the same article points out, white collar crime UM costs the global economy around five trillion dollars a year UM. And and that's you know, that's a big hit, uh in a way that I think would probably affect others that are connected to the global economy who aren't the hedge fund types, you know, or the CEO types. Well, at least according to this rule, we know that only people can be committing fraud at any given time. Because yeah, but it's not always the same ten. It depends on what the rationalizations and the opportunities are that are presented in each particular case. But it is a it is a nice thought in this case. One thing that's really interesting about what you're bringing up, Ernie. One thing that I really appreciate is that this also presents us with the case that I didn't I didn't tease out the entirety of to bring it back to Marines and human trafficking, which is simply this. Those guys were not the ring leaders by any any stretch, right, There was there was coordination on the other side of the border by somewhat coyote are Cartel's, someone who was higher up in the chain orchestrating this, And you have to wonder at that point what their motivation set looks like, what their rationalization set looks like. Humans are fascinating mechanisms for sure, But I do think, UM, I do think it's important to remember that in this case, um human traffic, any kind of illegal border movement activity, contains both what you would call street level crime and white collar crime. So that we could apply this fraud motivation triangle. We could apply to this fraud triangle to people at the top of the pyramid and people uh second from the bottom, because of course, the people who are at the bottom are the folks who often disadvantaged, if not outright helpless, who have valuable human lives, who are being exploited uh by by criminals, you know, and it's it's tough to know the motivations, but I think it is especially valuable, Ernie, for all our fellow conspiracy realists, to know that a framework exists through which you can determine to a degree a person's motivations for an action or activity, as well as a little bit of their future likelihood share you commit things like fraud in particular in the future. One one point that I found in that insde article but I thought was interesting, um, when it comes to the pressure component of the fraud triangle, is they reference the Wells Fargo account fraud scandal, where like, you know, employees that are like you know, lower level employees are making all these duplicate accounts so they can like hit their quotas of you know, these fees and all of that. Um. The article points out that if the employee believes that they are being ordered to do something wrong, they might not feel personally responsible, which is something we've seen and what was that study been experiment where you know, your your order to torture somebody, you're able to kind of like you know, um off lay that responsibility to your supervisor and therefore start to look at yourself more as a tool of that person. And maybe you're in this situation because this is your job and you therefore you need the job, so it's easier to kind of justify your actions because you're attributing them to somebody that's, you know, telling you what to do. Um and another video I think I watched pointed out that one way to mitigate this is to make sure that you know corporations are establishing clear ethical lines, you know, where there isn't there is a framework of ethics at every level of leadership. Because if you think that your bosses are perpetrating fraud or asking you to perpetrate fraud, chances are you're not gonna feel bad at all about doing it for yourself and taking a little piece. So on that note, uh, let us take a little pause, and then we're back with some more messages from you. And we've returned with one more piece of correspondence. So Biker Girl takes the email route and writes to us at conspiracy at iHeart radio dot com, saying the following, Hi guys, the current situation in Ukraine has me thinking about the US is nuclear arsenal? What weapons do we have? What can each of them do how many of them do we have? What does Russia have? Of course some of this is probably secret, but what is known. I just don't think the common joe knows this stuff, and it would be informative to know given current events. Stay cool, Biker Girl, Well thanks b G. I never was particularly cool, but I do appreciate it. So this is this is interesting because when I see this talked about off and just in base terms or whatever they call it, high level conversations and mass media, they don't talk about some of the exceptions. So what I'd like to do is just very briefly breakdown the numbers and then also break down some of the stuff they don't want you to know. That loopholes, candidly loopholes the ever loving out of some of those numbers. So first, there are a ton of nuclear well I mentioned tons earlier. It's it's it's a great idiom, but it's not the best unit of measurement for these types of mega tons. There we go, Yeah, it's uh, there are quite a few. There are thousands, thousands, uh. As you see if you look at reputable places like the Federation of American Scientists, they've estimated that due to treaties regarding partial nuclear dismantlement. Right now, as of early they are estimated twelve thousand, seven hundred warheads possessed by a group, a consortium of about nine countries. Of all nuclear warheads on the planet and probably in space that happens are owned by Russia and the United States. That makes them the nuclear superpowers. But nuclear weaponry is a great and dangerous equalizer. You know, if you are a state positioned in the right place and you have one nuke, you still have a terrible Wonka esque golden ticket to start World War three. It's not the same as one machine gun versus thirty. So what happens here is that we're looking these numbers. You're gonna see variants in estimates. You're going to see things like, uh, the way Federation Americans side to split is that Russian the US have around four thousand warheads and their military stockpiles. The issue is warheads have a couple of different states. So if a warhead or a nuclear armament is in storage, then you can't whip it out. It's not like hopping in the garage on the weekend and taking your jag out for a spin. You gotta do a lot of stuff to make sure it works, and you have to be very careful because it's a nuclear weapon, so it's it's uh, there are high state consequences. What I'm saying, is it an issue been of the degrading over time or leakage or problems with maintenance, or is it more just a procedural thing like you really gotta you know, get it hooked up to the right gear to make it go. H E all of the above, I would say on that on that ELSAC question. Yeah, there there are a ton of things you have to check right, and there's a lot of it is estimates, honestly, biker girl, because you're you nailed it. About the secrecy. The exact number of nuclear weapons in each country's possession is a closely held national secret. You want all your cards on the table because then you are putting yourself in a disadvantageous position in the game. Most nuclear armed states don't really give you a ton of information about the size of their nuclear stockpiles, but they do have varying degrees of secrecy. As a matter of fact, between the US disclosed it's total stockpile size and they did this routinely and if you believe them, then that's all well and good. Uh. In under the Trump administration, the US stopped that practice. This was called nuclear transparency. So if you if you look at a table, you will see that there are a couple of different ways to break these down. Not all of them, as I said, are in the state in the same state, and some of them can't get there. Like total number of warheads is not really the answer you're looking for. Like if you say, okay, if you look at everything a total inventory, Russia actually has more nuclear armaments officially than the US. If you look at everything, they have about five thousand, nine hundred and seventy seven to the US is five thousand, four hundred and twenty eight. But some of those are reserve, they're in storage, they're in military stockpiles. They're not non deployed it's called or they are waiting in line essentially to be safely dismantled. What you really want to look at is what the warheads. They are considered deployed strategic warheads. Russia has about one thousand, five hundred and the US has about one thousand, six hundred and forty four. They are by far the biggest numbers in the game. There's no like Shamalan plot twists with all of a sudden, you know, Namibia having six thousand warheads just out in subs somewhere. I would say, also more importantly, for people who have to think about the possibility of nuclear war, we have to consider that the amount of warheads total. While it's a fun number to know, fun, uh, Well, I would say a number that's important to know. You need to know how many are strategically deployed, and perhaps more importantly, you need to know their locations. So it's it's well and good to know Russia has x amount of nuclear armament. Uh, and of those X amounts are actually deployed somewhere. But the real the sauce, you know what I mean, the real juicy stuff is to know where they are deployed, what state they are in, are they at high alert so odd. So, for instance, if you take subs out of the equation, which you definitely should not, the country of Russia has about twenty five I C B M launch sites, right Uh, those can theoretically be negated by the US is twenty B two stealth bombers, stealth bombers are tough to catch. They can they can do that drive by, you know what I mean. So those could theoretically be rendered inoperative. The danger, the real danger for a lot of folks, is the submarine fleet. Because submarines, both the nuclear powered ones and the diesel electric as they're called, are very very good at being quiet. They're very very good at sneaking around. They're very good at not being caught, were being seen until they want to be. And when we talk about the danger of nuclear deployment of first strike capability, then we're talking in a very real way about the possibility of a submarine surfacing just like that Chinese sub did during a US military exercise a few years back, and totally catching everyone unawares. That means that no matter how quickly people scramble to put in whatever contingencies they have, the missile could already launch and not to be alarmists. But that's that's a real thing. Um. As we talked about last week, Ukraine did have its own nukes for a while in the nineties. They d nuclearized. We also, let's see what weapons do we have. We gave you some of those numbers we said they're not all created equal, uh, in terms of what they can each do, and uh, you know the different let's call them genres of nuclear weaponry. That feels like a full episode. I do want to point out that, given the relatively decrepit state of a lot of Russian hardware, I would not be surprised if some of their stuff just needs to be mothballed like in Ukraine. One of the reasons, uh, they may have been using that Z on different vehicles right to indicate, hey, we're friends, is because a lot of their communication is on unencrypted analog radio. Yeah, so they're not perhaps as capable as a lot of Cold War hawks wanted us to believe once upon a time. UM. I don't know how much further we want to go into this before doing an episode audit, but I do want to note that there are loopholes or problems with the big daddy of nuclear dismantlement agreements, the Nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty, which we've mentioned on the show in the past. It's been in play for like thirty five years. Hundred and eighty nine countries signed it. For the record, uh, think of it like every country in the world, but around three basically, uh, it is almost always at a crisis point, and it's not perfect. It does have loopholes. Some things that the average person would consider nuclear weapons don't necessarily apply under that treaty because the treaty is by nature and exercise and compromise. Right parton the accidental rhyme hashtag accidental rhyme. But you need to know right now is that we will work on an episode exploring as in depth as possible the actual deliverable nuclear capability of both Russia and the US. A lot of the estimates that you're going to read again very because they are estimates. They are based on sometimes propagandistic leaks, sometimes good faith insider leaks, sometimes just guesses from people in the industry. But what you should know in terms of deployed nuclear weapons right now, if you're looking at the warheads, the warheads are like the tip of the arrow. Okay, they're They're like the needle of the dart and intercontinental ballistic missile itself is just sort of a delivery system for the warhead. Right The bombers, the submarines, those are the things you have to watch out for. And right now, Russia does have a ton of those that are deployed that are active. You heard the statement a while back where Ladimir Putin put them on high alert. The US is also playing this game I C b MS, submarine payloads, bombers and this this is a scary situation because going back to the importance of location Biker girl. UH. One thing that has long been a very sore point for the Russian government is that the US nuclear weapons that are deployed, they're not all just in a state or readiness out there in the hinter lands of this continent. They're not all just in subs. There are about a hundred around a hundred nuclear weapons US made, US owned stored in Europe and they are at wait for it, NATO basis because NATO allows Uncle Sam to build a house in your backyard there in Italy, Germany, Turkey, the Netherlands, Belgium. Uh. And one of the big things from the Russian perspective they're pushing against is the idea of NATO bases being in new NATO countries like further and further east, because for them, that is the same thing as nuclear weapons getting closer and closer to the Russian border. UM. There is a thing called the Start Treaty, which has a lot of information about this, mainly phrased as ways to put caps on how many nuclear warheads can be deployed. But there are multiple very dangerous ways that this could go wrong. I want to pause here to ask you, guys, do you think it would be worthwhile to do an episode on actual nuclear capabilities? Absolutely? Yeah, I mean there's got to be, you know, details out there that we could sort of puzzle piece together and kind of figure out largely what the score is. And I know how important secrecy is, but you made some really good points, Ben, I think it'd be worth kind of sessing out bigger picture. There were rumors recently, I believe, coming out of Russian and crect me if I'm wrong here, guys that you Ene was at least according to their intelligence, preparing to detonate some kind of dirty nuclear bomb or weapon. And again these are these are rumors coming out and it just it makes me want to know exactly how many ballistic missile submarines exist around the globe that could potentially launch an attack if there if a nuke was you know, detected by some of these systems that are aging that are supposed to let countries know if a nuke has gone off, and in the case of a dirty bomb, it wouldn't be the same obviously, but it's still just scary to imagine some small nuclear explosion could occur and then like automated systems could get triggered or most tying dead hand. Yeah, or I would like to point out again the nation of Israel has officially never confirmed that they have nuclear weapons, but they do have the the government of Israel does have a policy that is uh. I'm laughing because I'm a fan of Gallos humor, but the policies I understand it is essentially that if any nation fires for any reason at the at the Middle Eastern nation of Israel, then they're just gonna fire everything, you know what I mean, Cowabunga style. Uh and no, And that's a nobody wants nuclear Cowabunga. No one wants to see that. But that's where we're at. So we'll do Biker Girl is uh. We will we'll call it today for now we are going to return with an episode asking how many nukes actually exists. Thank you so very much. Also, of course, thank you to Mr Ernie Powers. First of his name. Thank you to ROMs J J. ROMs, and thank you to all of our fellow conspiracy realists who have wrote in today. If you would like to continue the conversation, you can always find us online where on Facebook at here's where it gets crazy. We're on Instagram. You can find us as individuals if you want to reach out that way. Uh and if you don't sip those social meats, have no fear. 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