From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A production of iHeartRadio. Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my name is Noel. They called me Ben. We're joined as always with our superproducer Alexis codenamed Doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you are you. You are here, and that makes this the stuff they don't want you to know. We always like to say you are here because we hope you are. And we are very excited today to introduce you to several of our fellow conspiracy realists. We are going to We're going to talk about the possibilities of time travel, which is always a trip for us. Check out our earlier episodes on that. There's some fantastic news that one of our one of our pals has hipped us to. We're also going to talk horror movies because we love them. We exist in the land of Eternal Halloween and have no regrets nor compunctions about that. But before we do any of that, Matt Noel code named Doc Ben. Oh okay cool. Also, we had a we had a lot of people. I think we hit a porsign nerve when we talked about super pick. Porsign right, doesn't sound like pig, but that's yes, yes, So why don't we open up with an excellent series of emails from one fellow conspiracy realist who chooses to go by the code name Jagermeister. And before we before we get into this, uh gotta tell you, but you brought up some really intense sense memories when we heard your code name, because Gagermeister is a period in our collective lives that I don't think any of us are in a hurry to relive memory. Indeed, taste out of my mouth. I know, I remember. I remember personally, many years ago, I was dating a girl whose father looked exactly like Charles Manson, and he lived in a little trailer in a rural airfield. It's a very different time, and his thing was Yeagermeister, and so we could hang out and drink. I'm gonna be honest, we were not drinking age. We could hang out and drink with this guy, but only if we drank Yeagermeister or Goldschlager, which you would accept as a substitute. Yeah, that should be considered a crime against humanity. Well, it's definitely a crime to give underage children boots. Been generating insult to injury, you know, I mean something, Give him something good. This is why I don't talk too much about my personal life. I feel like everything I say just makes things sound increasingly sketchy. But with this in mind, Jagermeister, We're gonna go with your code name, and we invite you to explore other alcohol expirits. You know, the world is yours, be the change bro. Okay, So here's what jager Meister says. Hey, guys, First off, just wanted to say I love the show. My name is Hunter or code name Yagermeister. Feel free to use either name honestly, respectfully. I think I'm probably gonna go with Hunter. I recently got into listening to podcast at work, and you Alls is one of the first I found. I am a heavy equipment operator, so I'm able to listen to about five to six hours worth of episodes a day, and I have officially purchased my first vacation home in the rabbit Hole. Pretty neat got a time share there myself, right right, And so Hunter says, Anyways, the reason I'm emailing you all is because I just listened to the strange new segment about super pigs. I live in Oklahoma, and the wild pig problem is out of hand. We've got about fifteen hundred acres of land in southeast Oklahoma that we used primarily for hunting, fishing, camping, etc. On the property, we have five pig traps, which Hunter has emailed us photos of these. We have about five pig traps equipped with game cameras that are connected to an antenna that will send an image straight to our cell phones anytime there is movement. The coolest part is that the traps are connected as well. So for instance, if we are at home, which is seventy miles or so away, and we receive an image of pigs in the trap, we're able to drop the trap and contain them with the push of a button. Side note this is something we'll go back to when we're talking about this, usually, says Hunter. We place a pile of corn in the middle of the trap, and it's not unusual to trap thirty to forty pigs at a time. At this point, it's just a matter of disposing of the pigs in the easiest way possible. Some people may see this as harsh, but if you ever come into contact with one of the larger pigs that have four to five inch tusk, I feel you'll change your mind pretty quick. Just to show how bad it is, we trapped and killed over three hundred hogs from our property alone each year for the past three years. It's nine hundred pigs for those of us playing along at home. They cause tremendous amounts of damage to the terrain, to crops, to wildlife and desperately need to be eradicated. I'll share some pictures for reference in a separate email to put this into perspective. Like I said, I love the show and you guys do a great job covering all sorts of topics keeping it interesting. Well. Thank you a hunter. First off, first questions. When we were talking about super pigs, did you guys do any any digging, any like, any rooting? Yeah? Any truffle up after we talked about this, Yeah, I sent my dogs out and they were unsuccessful. It was you who let the dogs out. It was in fact it was me. I take full responsibility. Uh. Yeah, you gotta be careful with them. Dogs, the guys I referenced a lot, and I always forget their individual names with the Internet today YouTube guys who are awesome. They did a kind of follow up on the story and talked about I think seeing some footage or maybe it was just a description from a hunter who like unloaded on one of these things and like it just kind of kept running at them, like they finally did manage to kill one of them. But it's like they're so fatty and they're high is so um you know, tough that they practically can deflect bullets right right, which we talk about a little bit in our previous Strange News segment on this the sheer tenacity and toughness of these creatures. Of course, I've said it before, We've all said it before on the show. We pretty much love to some degree every living organism. You know, some things aren't our favorites, you know, I know, sloth screep, some people out Noel doesn't cotten the birds, and I you know, I feel sorry for possums. I'll say it. That's a weird one. But but these animals are a huge threat to the North American continent and our pal Hunter code named yeagermeister hit us up with photographs of some recently killed hogs on their land and also showed us a picture in the trap, and when Hunters sent us the next email, they said, these are pictures of a hog I killed from a dear blind. For anybody who's not familiar with hunting, that is a spot where you can you can set up and wait for the parade to come to you. Hunter says, you're not blind. The deer is blind, right, your present right right. And Hunter does something that we love, which is giving us photographic evidence with a clear way to get a sense of perspective. So Hunter says, just for reference, that's my size thirteen boot next to this animal's head. I am a large man, six foot three, three fifty pounds, and it took everything I had to drag it into the woods. My best estimate would be that this weighs between three hundred and fifty and four hundred pounds. To your question earlier, they are extremely tough animals. Hunter says, it took three shots to kill this hog, and two of those were headshots, and it just kept going. That's insane. I mean again, we reference Game of Thrones. I think our song of ice and fire in the previous discussion aber this too, because that's what killed spoilerler. I guess Robert Barathian. He was an avid war hunter and yeah, I mean those things are no joke, even like the regular ones. He got Stove in in that show. Yeah, yeah, yeah Stove. But the issue is that we've received correspondence from multiple people across multiple platforms who are saying, yes, this is a real problem. And I went over on Twitter when I saw a couple of friends on there saying that they feel like they owe an apology to that forty to fifty Ferrell Hogs guy from so long ago. And you know what, we mentioned this previously, but you know what, folks, that apology might be deserved at this point, because these things are a menace, and not in a cool, wholesome Dennis the Menace way, like there really is there really are, I should say, symptoms of tremendous ecological shifts on a paradigm level, and these creatures are part of it. I feel like it's very cold to say that they have to be eradicated. But I don't know about you, Matt Noel code named Doc. I am tempted to agree with hunter here, attempted, indeed perhaps convinced. Yeah, these things seem absolutely terrifying. We had on the ground reports I saw about just how quick they are as well, because they're quite clever. So there are some there are some forms of traps that are not fast enough to catch them. The way I heard it described by one person with experience who doesn't want to go on record, was that they they had kind of like a corral or what was it you mentioned it last time last week, Matt, the Judas, Yeah, the pig. Yeah, So apparently the Judas pig is still kind of dodgy because when that when that trap drops, the group of super pigs is fast enough and alert enough to immediately pivot and a lot of them escape before the thing drops, So like one they see one frame of movement and they're out the door. Wow, that's impressive reaction. Time was just sending in a rogue pig right to find them all Okay, and then there's a specific trap that you would use because you have to get you have to get the group. And um, like we said previously in our weekly Strange News segment, we're hitting the road for some stuff that's a bit of a secret projects as a group, a series of secret projects. So we're going to keep this a little bit short, but keep your superpig stories coming. Tell us about more invasive species, and we do have to give one bit of regrettable news for for all of us who have the same question when you're listening last week, is the bacon good? Now? I know that's a petty question because we're talking about ecological collapse, we're talking about the very dangerous invasive species. But we are you know, we're bacon lovers. So we asked that question, and everybody who has written to us has answered unanimously. There is a consensus. We'll go to a hunter again. Do not eat the pigs. The meat is super tough, It tastes horrible, It has a smell that is quote amazingly off putting. So we're not even getting bacon out of this. This is why earlier crow. Yeah, are you kidding me? Are you kidding me? Of course we're getting bacon out of this. Look, if it comes down to it, that gaby off putting smell and taste is gonna be delicious to you. I've eaten Duryan. Actually there doesn't. Durian taste good. It just smells gross. It's the smell. Mainly, it's the smell. And actually, I wouldn't be surprised if as covid removed a lot of people's olfactory abilities, if Durian became more popular. And hey, Matt, I think we're on the same page. One super COVID's here. That's gonna be the best thing you've ever tasted in your life, I promise. So this also reminds me one more question, folks, tell us your invasive species stories, because I've been looking into this. The pig story. Really it got to me, man, and I started looking at the history of invasive species like starlings in the United States, certain types of fish and so on. And I think about this when I'm abroad and I see countries having very very strict laws about what can be taken in or out of their environments. And I'm starting to think there's a stuff they don't want you to know episode here. But for that we need your help. Let us know about evasive species in your neck of the global woods, and uh, you know, let us know the weirdest thing you've ever eaten. Because I think it's safe to say we're omnivores right here. Did you guys ever have any any lines, any dietary lines where he said, no, I'm not going to try it. I mean I've I've started to think a little bit better of eating cephalopods just because they're, you know, so intelligent and they feel pain. I mean, I'm sure most species feel pain, but it seems a bit on the cruel side. So and no more porpo for me. Yeah, I hate it. The last I remember the exact day. The last day I ate an octopus was I think March it was March twenty was March twenty nineteen. Now, if you have to eat something to survive, then I'm of the mind that you absolutely should. Taboos be damned. But but if you can avoid it, yeah that's nice. What about you, Matt. Thing you've eaten, weird thing I've eaten? Musical? Yeah, I don't. I don't have many things to say. Honestly, I kind of steer clear of the stuff that is off putting to me. That doesn't mean I'm not an adventurous eater, because I love new flavors and new combinations. Yeah, I'm not down. I don't, I don't know, I'm okay. With being a little bit ignorant of like delicacies and other cultures. I'm kind of okay with that, sure. And the reason nola Is is referencing the spice is because we've been on the road together and we've seen Matt negotiate with restaurants to make sure that they understand he can take the full amount of heat. Happened on Monday. I went and got some what do they call pablano ranos? I think that's what they Yeah, it is chili rano, but it was specific type at this restaurant near me, and to talk to the guy who I think was the manager maybe part owner. We were just talking and he's like, oh, you like see stuff. I was like yeah, And he said, I just made this this special oil and spice mixture and I'm gonna give you some. Okay, that sounds awesome. Leave wait for a little while, come back in, pick up my food. He gives me one of these small like mason jars. It's a tiny little mason jar and it is filled to the brim with chili oil and peppers and stuff. Guys sweating just thinking about it. And it was heaven. It was amazing. No, it is also amazing too. I don't know about you know, but for me, it's amazing to watch Matt eat spicy food. It's like very um tears fall, the mucus comes out, and I'm just smiling. Yeah, you look weirdly like you got a rictest grin or you look very stoic. And then and we'll send us messages from beyond the Scovill scale. You'd be a great hot Ones guest. Matt. Yeah, no, agreed, agreed, except for where you have to be interviewed about interesting stuff you've done because whoops, sorry, oh you know what we're going to it. We're going to an ad break and if the h if the super Pigs don't get us, we'll be back with more messages from you, like bust through the door. That's that's how we end the episode. Ray and we're back, and we're going to a message sent to us from I guess we call this person Sammy. Okay, yep, it's a message from Sammy, and Sammy. I'm going to read the little insert you put at the top of this message because I think it's funny, and we're going to analyze it. Quote insert. I believe this email accounts nominal purpose is to make Google's information scratching software as suspicious as possible about who I'm emailing. That's, of course a reference to conspiracy at iHeartRadio dot com. I'm religious, I remember you, Sammy. Yeah, yeah, it's like, oh, we're just gonna send an email to a thing called conspiracy at something. Oh boy, all right, well that was not the purpose. It was a shortened version of stuff they don't want you to know. That wasn't also Studwick at Gmail or whatever. So did we to our earlier conversation about acronyms? You know, who are we to judge at this point? Exactly? Didwick? So, yeah, conspiracy at iHeartRadio dot com is what you got. You're continuing here, Sammy. Anyway, Australian and Spanish scientists have discovered how to manipulate time for subatomic particles. Mind you, it's nothing as buck wild as conventional time travel. But I believe we're seeing the birth of a brand new technological field. And then Sammy sent us two articles. A popular mechanics article. Well we'll start there and then we'll go to the next one. The Popular Mechanics article is titled Scientists discovered how to speed up time. Seriously, Seriously, we can reverse it too. That's the subtitle. It's written by Darren or if it was published on the twenty third of February twenty twenty three. Guys, we are entering into a realm here, much like the time crystals, much like other subatomic particle topics that we've covered in the past that are just beyond my meager understanding of the world. It's physics how everything functions. But we're going to try and get through this one because this is a fascinating topic. Sammy, thank you for bringing this to our attention. I'm going to start with a bit of an analogy here, and it's something that is done in popular mechanics, because it did help me get a bit of an understanding. Imagine the way a film works. A movie when you go of the movie theater, you are sitting in a theater and the film is just projected in front of you. The film begins at its starting point wherever that reel is the first previews or an entire movie itself, depending on how many reels it is. It plays out through its entirety, and then it ends after the credits and it's done. Okay, all right, imagine that is time as we experience it, moving, just moving forward through it. It begins when you're born. That's when your time starts, or it really it begins the moment you're formed as an egg, which you know, we don't want to take this too far, but you are always in your mother the entire time she was alive. Then it goes back all the way and if you think about it too hard, your brain's gonna break a little bit. But time for you begins when you are born and it ends when you die, right, And it's one thing that's it. That's how you get to experience it, to find as the time you can observe personally, yes, the way the way we experience it right as humans. So that's that. That's a movie theater. That's time for us. Now, imagine watching something on a streaming service like a Netflix or a Peacock, if you will. With that, you want to watch the same movie that we're just talking about in the theater. Let's say Evil Dead two. That movie is now on Netflix for you, and you can begin it, you can pause it if you want to, and it just stays right there in that state until you're ready to continue, You could rewind watch something else, see it in a different state. You could fast forward watch the ending first if you wanted to see how it ends, then go back to the beginning and watch that part. You have control over time essentially in this way. This is what scientists have figured out how to do with subatomic particles that are quantumly linked. I think quantumly entangled. Entangled, get out of town entangled. Yeah, okay, my brain already hurts. You guys probably don't understand what the heck I'm talking about. I know I'm not coherent right now. See you can tell by the beef that I just made. Guys, we could just try and read some of this and see if it sticks. Yeah, let's give everybody a couple of guardrails here, because this gets really weird really quickly. So you beautifully established quantum entanglement, which is true and is a known thing. We should also establish that time gets very tricky at very very small scales. And this is where the problem of observation comes in. Right, everybody's heard the old, the old science experiment where light functions as a wave or a series of particles depending on it. You know, if someone is looking at it, which is nuts. But in quantum mechanics, observing a system can cause it to change just by the nature of a focused consciousness on that which I know sounds crazy and very woo woo, but it's also very true. True. No, I don't like it, No I do whatever. Come on, come on, come whatever? All right, Okay, Matt, So we got our guide rails. What's what's going on here? What does everybody need to know when they want to rewind time and not be late for work? Um? Okay, how are we there yet? No? I don't know. I don't know anything. The flat circle is just not as flat as I thought it was. Okay, so there are a bunch of researchers. One of the researchers is Miguel Nevascus, which this person is with the oa W, which is the Austrian Academy of Sciences. Okay, we're also dealing with the University of Vienna and a few other groups that are doing all this stuff. These researchers directly quote from this article here from Darren North. The researchers achieved this, this thing being able to manipulate time within a quantum system by quote, evolving a single photon as it passes through a crystal. Using an experimental device called a quantum switch, the single photon of light returns to its previous state before it ever makes the journey through the crystal. What Darren continues, in a way, this is less Doc Brown style time travel and more about reverting or otherwise altering the states of quantum particles or quote time translation. Oh what the hell, guys, I don't right, So is this related to time dilation as well? Is that like the opposite? Sure, it's the exact same thing. I have no idea. No, I don't know. I just it's a term I've heard. I just thought i'd throw it out there. This is that timey? Whymy stuff? Doctor? Who was talking about? Oh god, it gets weirder, guys. Continuing from Darren's article in quantum mechanics, simply observing a system causes it to change would make which makes it impossible to track a systems progress through time. Well, then how do we know that this is what happened? Okay? Crucially, these rewinding protocols still work because they can be performed without knowing what the changes were or its internal dynamics. According to the scientists, also according to the scientists, cheese isn't real. No, I'm just joking. No, they're there. They're out there. Look up the Harpie eagle. If you are scared of birds, it looks like a dude. It is Sue dressed air. But us feel so dumb. Guys, Well, we're right there with no one here on this show right now. As a physicist, we may have some in the audience, And if you are a conspiracy realist who has experienced in physics and quantum mechanics, please feel free to write in and help us put this in more understandable terms like help us out. We do. By way, speaking of scientists here, Matt, I do think it's important for us to avoid some of the mistakes that pop science makes in reporting, because you can see these kind of breathless, hyperbolic headlines at times. But I think it's crucial for us to note from my understanding, at least, the scientists involved in this research are not trying to specifically prove that these subatomic particles, these neutrinos, are traveling faster than the speed of light. They're trying to figure out why their data looks so weird. Is that correct? Like they haven't made any crazy, crazy claims other than you know, the claims you just outlined, which are pretty crazy for me and also brain breaking. Yeah, and I don't know. Here, here's another thing from this same article. This is an example that's given by these researchers. Let's say you've got ten of these quantum systems that they've built, right, ten of them. Each one of those ten is running an experiment that's going to run for ten years NonStop. It's going to run this experiment for ten years. They're saying. In this system, if you wanted to have one of those ten year long experiments run for ten years within the span of one year, so basically accelerate the time of that system, they could theoretically pull one year from each of the other nine systems and funnel it into the one system, so that this one system essentially evolves or runs that experiment for the span of ten years, is just condensed into one actual human year, which I understood some of those words. Yeah, okay, so theoretically all this is really doing it. It's in the final paragraph of this article. The point isn't jetting off to the distant future of twenty fifteen is in like going back to the future to twenty fifteen. But the ability to increase the capability of quantum processors by arming them with the possibility of reversing errors in a system, Now, that's really interesting to me. So if we were talking about a quantum computing system, right, and it's running doing a bunch of processes going and going, going, and it made an error or a couple of errors, the idea that it could somehow the system itself could somehow go back in time while it's still processing up here, you know, at the leading edge of time, it can go back and fix those processes simultaneously or something like that. Maybe that's a super dumbing down of what's being said here, But I don't you can know. I'm just no, you know what I need. I need to correct myself as well here, man, because I'm realizing now that I was referring to a different experiment, which is older in in this series of experiments, our Austrian friends have proven that it's possible to accelerate, decelerate, and reverse the flow of times. So they they got there. This is okay. So the weird thing is this is still exploration of the natural world, right, just at a very very small level, like they're observing processes that have already been occurring. They didn't make something new, They just figured out how to see it. Is that correct? Sure? What is a quantum switch? Stop? Listen? This is a call. This is a call to physicists out there. Does anyone specialize in this? Can anyone dumb this death down? For some some guys who honestly, I feel like we have some pretty intellectual conversations about complicated and complex stuff, but I still can't wrap my head around. Yeah. I don't know about you, guys. I am always trying to learn more about something, and I'm transparent here when I say this is still hard at least for me to grasp. So if you're an expert in the potential of quote unquote time travel with subatomic particles, please do us a favor and send us an email before we record this episode. Yep, yeah, please, God, please, ah please. This is this feels like the kind of research and understanding of the physical world and you know subatomic world that happens right before everything collapses, you know, because it's class like seven times before this. Oh, I think this is what happens every time. Oh, you know what, Yeah, expert, send us an email before we record this conversation. Oh dude, right, all right, well that's a look, that's all I've got. Guys. I'm sorry, Sammy, we failed you. Well, let's let's point to another article here. You can find in l pia's U P L E L Space p ai S Very Big Journal's mallet. Here. It's in their Science and Tech in English. It is titled we have made science Fiction Come true. Scientists prove particles in a quantum system can be rejuvenated and so can dreams, Yes, be rejuvenated and also come true. That's it. Uh. Here are our sponsors, and we've returned for a fun, a fun thing. We're gonna do that Ben teased earlier. Um, we're gonna hear from a listener. But then we're gonna open up the conversation to talk a little bit about the spooky movies that we all like. It's kind of perma Halloween here, like Ben said, at stuff they don't want you to know. Let me pull up this here email from Joe who says, Hi, everyone, I'm sure this is probably already on your radars if you're horror movie fans. But I just finished the episode you get on sleep paralysis and shadow people and other fun sleep stuffs. If you haven't seen it yet, I highly recommend the film Skin of Marink. It plays like a fever dream when you're a little kid. It goes to some pretty horrifying places involving small kids, so parents, for sure beware. But it is one of the more unique horror movies I've seen in a while. Boy Howdy, It's a tough watch, but really good. I think love the show. It keeps me company during the day, love peace and cash, so I'll take some of that. Joe Ben, I believe you saw Skin of Marink. I've been hearing a lot about it, both good and ad which is I think the case for a lot of sort of otter or maybe unusual horror films, like one that I really like call where Everyone's Going to the World's Fair. People either loved it or hated it. It was kind of low fi webcammy stuff, and I think this one is kind of looks a little bit like Paranormal Activities, but it is about some kids that wake up in a pretty horrifying situation where like they don't have windows in their house, anymore and their parents are gone. Yeah, yeah, you nailed it. So the the primary figures are Kevin and Kyley, two siblings. The entire thing has a nightmarish, fever dream vibe. I don't want to ruin too much of it, but you already have seen probably some commentary on this folks about analogs for child abuse and very very disturbing, difficult, difficult stuff. I can see how this would be divisive for some people. It's definitely not a film that you would just put on in the background and if i'nd with Some people found it profoundly disturbing. Some people loved it, some people found it just sort of lack luster. But for anybody who has listened to our episodes on the Nature of Dreams, this, I think this would be this would be very interesting. I mean, we've been pretty fortunate, haven't we, to have so much amazing horror coming out in recent years? Are you? Are you guys planning to see Skinner mariey? No, I'm not going to see it. No. Little kids stuff kind of get you, so I am. My understanding is that there's some harm to children in it, and I don't want to. I don't want to go through that understood. Yeah, but there there's an interesting story here because the um, the guy who created this, Kyle Edward Ball, had YouTube channel I think still has where people would comment and tell them about their nightmares, and then you would make short videos based on those stories. And I believe I haven't looked into it, but I believe Skinner Marink comes from that, and the tier pointill about it seeming kind of low five for people. I think the budget was something like fifteen thousand dollars, which is huge for individual person, but very very bootstrap and shoe string for a film. Actually, our our superproducer codenamed Doc Holiday, when she's not slumming it with us, she is a big wheel in the world of production. So I think could probably confirm fifteen thousand as a total budget for films. It's not that much, right for a feature or for for a feature feature. Yeah, oh no, that's yeah, fifteen thousand. That's that's that's that's a that's a light, that's a lens, that's like crap services. It's one person with a camera that they already own, and two kids that are just friends and want to make a fun movie with their pal and like a cat pulling. Yeah, definitely. It really does remind me of like the you know, kind of found footage craze that got pretty annoying pretty quick, um, you know. I mean obviously Paranormal Activities was made on a micro budget as well. I remember the exact number. I think it was probably more than that though, but definitely given the amount of money that movie made and how many you know, offshoots it spawned and copycats, I mean, that was a huge deal. This seems a lot more creative than Paranormal activity I'm not really a fan of those movies. I haven't seen it, so I can't really say, but it's interesting though. I think some people, you know, horror fans in particular, can be a little bit petulant if I'm being completely honest, or or a pedantic maybe is a better word. That's that's a much better word in terms of like what constitutes a horror movie and kind of what they're expecting. And so a lot of times, if you see divisive reviews for movies like this, sometimes the division comes from, like, you know, the horror community maybe while critics are giving it good reviews. So that's a thing that I've seen is he was like a lot of the more upfair critics like New York Times and stuff have been pretty favorable about this, and it's definitely making some noise. But I have seen some Rotten Tomatoes user review saying, don't believe the high but it's totally boring. And but then again, I saw some very similar reactions to that film. I was talking about Everyone's coming, Everyone's going to the World's Fair and or We're all going to the World's Fair. And I loved that movie and did find it unsettling, and it really didn't match up with the zeitgeisty thing, which is like kind of chronically online you know, zenials or whatever that that group was called. Could you give everybody like the kind of the high level description of Everybody's coming to the World's Fair. Yeah, it's essentially it's like a creepy pasta kind of thing where you're experiencing it through the eyes and literally the webcam and these kind of confessional you know, web diaries of this of the main protagonist. And there's this this creepy pasta challenge where you go online and you you make a video where you say, we're all going to the World's Fair a bunch of times, and then you play this like this weird kind of epilepsy inducing you know, potentially video clip. It's like the series of flashing lights and the whole time, I don't want to give anything away, but you're not quite sure if like it's working, and like she's kind of commenting on like she's feeling these transformations. You don't really know what it's supposed to do. But there's also these, you know, cutaways to other people doing the challenge, and some of them clearly being made by folks that are like doing kind of cool diy VFX kind of stuff, and you know, again you don't know some of these are supposed to be real, some of them are clearly just good after effects work, and that's sort of the point. But it progresses and it's a lot of like is she isn't she kind of you know, actually turning into something demonic or whatever it might be. And that's all I'm gonna say. But it is all shot through webcam footage, and at some point there's like some black light face paint stuff that really is unsettling. It's if you've seen the poster of the film, then that's that's what you're seeing. And it's got a really cool soundtrack or score by the kind of indie artist Alex Gum, and it's it's very it's it's just I loved it. I thought it was really cool, and I hope to love Skinner Marink as well. Because some folks that I whose opinions I value, did like it. But then it's some folks whose opinions I value also trashed it. So hard to say. My understanding is that it's a highly disturbing, almost intellectual depiction of childhood domestic abuse, and that like, that's why I'm saying I don't want to see it, because that that, to me is probably the most horrifying thing I can imagine. M I somehow bet that it like a lot of things happen off camera or implied well, especially given the budget and stuff. But I can't say because I haven't. Ben can you speak to without spoiling it? Like how graphic is it? Well? There are you know, Hitchcock was right when he said keep the monsters are scarier when they're off screen to a large degree. So there are there are sections just as a trigger warning that hint it is about child abuse. That's probably the best way to say it the most fair without spoiling. But also you might be saying, hey, folks, why are you just talking about movies in a show that is for conspiracy realists and examines the stuff they don't want you to know. Well, I would pause it that. Unfortunately, unfortunately, for many people, domestic abuse is a grand conspiracy. So while I understand one hundred percent that this can be incredibly uncomfortable and rightly so, it is also something that happens to people, and as such I feel like should should be explored. It's not for nothing too, that we we try to do trigger warnings just around thematic content that could just discussing something like this could be triggering for certain folks that may be experienced it without having to have any graphic descriptions at all. So even if a movie, you know, a good film and a good horror film kind of takes you psychologically to a place, if maybe you're not signed up for that going in, Even if there are no actual on screen depictions of violence toward children, just the thematic elements of it, and if it's done well could be troubling in a way that you don't want to be a part of, you know, and I think that's true of things like films depicting school shooters for example. You know, while a lot of the maybe better ones, that stuff doesn't happen on screen at all. That stuff it's it's offscreen. You know, the violence actually happens off screen, but it's still something very triggering for anyone, because it's all about atmosphere, you know. And and it seems to me like this movie is skinnamer rank rather and also World Fair are are very atmosphere driven films, and that's what you have to do with a micro budget like that. It's all about atmosphere. And that's I think to me the magic of cinema when it's done real, when it's done well. Yeah, and you know, you see you see divisiveness in other other films that approach very uncomfortable things we've I can't remember we talked about on air, but off air. Another film in the conspiracy horror genre is Hereditary. And Hereditary yeah because it because it was originally written entirely as as a harrowing story about a family trying to navigate and process grief when one of their children dies spoiler. And if you read interviews, the creator of that universe is pretty upfront by saying, look, I had this story. It's very powerful, to disturbing story about families navigating grief, and I couldn't sell it. So I made it a horror film and added supernatural elements. And I think to some folks hearing that, they might I roll or something be like, oh, as you just shoehorned in all this spooky stuff. That is not what that movie is. I never would have known this or guess that in a million years, because it all just feels like it was, you know, crafted at once, you know the I think that movie is brilliant and brilliantly disturbing, and also some of the scariest parts in it aren't the horrific scenes, which there are plenty of that are actually very gory and violent, Yeah, dude, But but just the grief part, you know, the idea of losing a child and the and just the absolute unhinged grief that Tony Collette displays. I mean, and it's such a bummer that. I mean, I don't give a crap about the Academy Awards. Really, it's just more of like a interesting metric for like movies that are you know, that are doing cool stuff. But I'm more interested maybe some of the lesser, you know, European film festivals that that maybe give stuff to stuff that's a little more deserving. But Tony Collette should have been nominated for an Oscar for that performance. But the Academy don't mess with horror movies. Yeah, it's bizarre. You know what else should have gone an Academy Award's Army of Darkness. Army of Darkness, Yes, the harrowing, nuanced depiction of you know, life in the modern industrial age. How much do we need machines before we become machines? Sir? That movie takes place in the medieval era. Okay, I know, I know. It's like i'd say, they are levels to you know, just like in like you see It in Its in Its Spiritual successor the unofficial sequel Police Academy for all those. Yeah, those are snubbed by the Academy unfairly, I would say. But the Army of Darkness is neat though, and I would I mean, I know you're kind of half joking, but like the style of VFX in that movie, and like the whole like Ray Harry housing kind of nods like with the you know what is adjacent the Argonauts, the kind of likes hand done, the bespoke stop motion. It's it's it doesn't age well, but they do it such a way. When I say it is an age well, I mean and compared to like more modern stuff. But it looks so cool because it's like real skeletons that are moving one little, you know, frame at a time, and I just think it's great than all of the practical makeup effects and things that are in that movie. Sam Raamy's awesome. And then of course, you know he went on to do all the big spider Spider Man movies. I'm just saying he was doing. I want to have some fun with my horror movies. You know, I love existential horror. I love really scary things and monsters and all that stuff. I just don't want it to be like a like a full on, all encompassing downer to the point where my brain and I'm just like I want it to be you know, give me some sugar baby and those kind of one liners and all that. Yeah, like I love that, Like like I love slapstick horror or you know, the Shining the Witch, like the Carnival of Souls, you know what I mean, give me, give me some laughs, prat falls, give me prat falls. Those are obviously, if anyone is aware, those are very intense dramatic horror movies have been just named whatever. Yeah, I mean, well, one that I was going to bring up that is absolutely not for the faint of heart but still uses all these practical effects. I think I maybe mentioned it briefly before, a Taiwanese horror film called The Sadness, which is so over the top and cartoonishly gory that it eventually desensitizes you to it a bit um and then they'll just up the annie you know, even further. It is not for the faint of heart. I watched it with my girlfriend, who has this rule that she'll never not watch a movie like to its completion, and this was apparently the biggest slog for her ever of anything that I've forced her to watch. Oh, I do the ten minute rule. I give it ten minutes. Yeah, and that's fair. But my partner can't do that. They can't do that. Yeah, I'm with you. Um again, I don't believe in the sunk cost fallacy either, but that's just differences in our personalities. And she did make it all the way through. But this is a it's a zombie film where the zombies are like megamega fast, and they aren't just mindless like flesh and brain seekers. They essentially become victim to the most despicable violent impulses that any human being could be capable of. And the kicker is the name. The sadness comes from the fact that they anyone that's that's been infected. It's a virus situation infected by this. Their real personality is somewhere deep down in there watching the whole thing. And so all of the zombies quote unquote are like weeping and that is their internal voice of reason and h and morality, just being horrified by what their he is doing. Well, good night everybody, Thanks for listening. We hope you sleep well. By the way, if you started listening to this episode not knowing this was on the way, Oh your dreams, send me, send me descriptions of your nightmas, send it to us. I want to hear about your dreams, but only if they're scary. That's gonna be great. Out of context quote, we know a lot of us in the audience day. A lot of us are fans of horror, and you know, sometimes critics will dunk on genre film, just like they'll dunk on you know, genre books or whatever. But horror seems to play, I would say, an incredibly important role in human society. You know. It's a new way for people to explore things that are sometimes taboo, sometimes not spoken about. And it's a it's a mirror that you can hold up to yourself, you know, which I don't know. It sounds like cliche. Let's let's get out of here before I get all fortune Cookie style, and I'm like, oh, the Journey of Thousand Films beginnings with you know, the first play button. 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