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Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my name is Noel.

Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my name is Noel.

They call me Ben.

They call me Ben.

We are joined as always with our super producer, all mission control decans. Most importantly, you are You are here, and that makes this the stuff they don't want you to know. We are over the moon. We're like a UFO in the sky right now. We're so excited as always to hang out with you, the most important part of the show. In our weekly listener mail segment, now we've been getting tons of amazing correspondence newly for new episodes, also replies from people with first hand experience about things we have discussed in the past. We are going to learn about a member's organization. We are going to have what I think at least is a very compelling theory about UFOs in the Korean War. And before we do any of that, we are going to talk about two things that go together, like peas and carrots, smurfs and cirt.

We are joined as always with our super producer, all mission control decans. Most importantly, you are You are here, and that makes this the stuff they don't want you to know. We are over the moon. We're like a UFO in the sky right now. We're so excited as always to hang out with you, the most important part of the show. In our weekly listener mail segment, now we've been getting tons of amazing correspondence newly for new episodes, also replies from people with first hand experience about things we have discussed in the past. We are going to learn about a member's organization. We are going to have what I think at least is a very compelling theory about UFOs in the Korean War. And before we do any of that, we are going to talk about two things that go together, like peas and carrots, smurfs and cirt.

Oh yeah, and I love the Smurfs. Did you guys grow up watching the eighties Smurf cartoons?

Oh yeah, and I love the Smurfs. Did you guys grow up watching the eighties Smurf cartoons?

It weirded me out.

It weirded me out.

It's weird. It is weird. I found a delightful bit. It is mega weird. They live in mushrooms, they're tiny blue people, and there's a psychotic mad wizard to the diabolical cat. Yeah, that's always chasing that.

It's weird. It is weird. I found a delightful bit. It is mega weird. They live in mushrooms, they're tiny blue people, and there's a psychotic mad wizard to the diabolical cat. Yeah, that's always chasing that.

Anti cat propaganda.

Anti cat propaganda.

Yeah, that's true, it's fair. But I think I think his cat's name is something demonic, like Mephisto or Lucifer or something like that. Maybe I made that.

Yeah, that's true, it's fair. But I think I think his cat's name is something demonic, like Mephisto or Lucifer or something like that. Maybe I made that.

I think the cat's name was Benjamin Kyle.

I think the cat's name was Benjamin Kyle.

Yeah, right, let's see Gargamel's cat. But here's the thing I did Azrael, come on, that is a demon? Isn't Azrael like a demon?

Yeah, right, let's see Gargamel's cat. But here's the thing I did Azrael, come on, that is a demon? Isn't Azrael like a demon?

Or it's an angel? Maybe I'm wrong.

Or it's an angel? Maybe I'm wrong.

Yeah, it's like a demonic, it's a demonic angel.

Yeah, it's like a demonic, it's a demonic angel.

It depends on your perspective. O Israel historically angel is death, angel of death, or it's present in Islam as well.

It depends on your perspective. O Israel historically angel is death, angel of death, or it's present in Islam as well.

Yeah, and then again, the you know, Gargamel being the villain of the Smurfs, he is he wants to eat them or or make them into magic potions. It's kind of unclear. I think he. I think he definitely wants to eat them. He's always talking in the cartoon about how delicious they are and delectable. But they seem kind of scrawny. Frankly, it doesn't see like they make much. You get the whole bunch of them to get much of a meal out of it. But I never really would have thought that, like particle physics and Gargamel, you know, would have gone together. But well, here we are with this email from mortgage man. He says this, I just listened to the classic episode. Should we be concerned? I couldn't believe the Smurfs named their villain after some special room in use in the nineteen seventies at CERN, the Gargamel bubble Chamber. I had to dig a little deeper and found that CERN may have actually named their bubble chamber after the villain Gargamel, dates back to nineteen fifty nine. How on points since Gargamel was using Smurfs to practice alchemy. Sadly, I dug too deep and learned they are unrelated. Ah no, that's a bummer, but still it's M E. L L. E. In the CERN research facility and Gargamel of the cartoon is m e L. But see here's the point. Not all can fearces can come true. And then he has a little snippet posted way. Gargamel first appeared in La Voules des trump in the episode Yes, the episode the Smurf Napper, published in nineteen fifty nine, in which Gargamel captures a smurf in order to use as an ingredient for a potion to make gold, in accordance with the famed alchemic legend of the Philosopher's Stone. And yes, it's a comic strip called Spirou that appeared in nineteen fifty nine, published by the French publisher Dupuis. I'm not using a list of there d u p u I s I imagine that's the Dupus Dupois perhaps AnyWho, the creator of the Smurfs. By the way, you'll notice at the end of the eighties cartoon, which is what we're probably all familiar with, Peyo just says created by Peyo. Who the hell is this Peo character? He, in fact, was a Belgian illustrator whose name is actually Pierre coliford I. Was born in nineteen twenty eight and died in December of nineteen ninety two payout and yeah, Ben, you clocked it. The strumphin that's what they're known as to this day in Europe. Actually, when I was in Paris a couple of years ago, when I was in the airport coming back getting some European snacks, they have all kinds of horrible gummies over there that they do not have over here, and one of them that I picked up was Smurf gummies. But they're not called Smurf gummies. They're called stromph gummies, which I love.

Yeah, and then again, the you know, Gargamel being the villain of the Smurfs, he is he wants to eat them or or make them into magic potions. It's kind of unclear. I think he. I think he definitely wants to eat them. He's always talking in the cartoon about how delicious they are and delectable. But they seem kind of scrawny. Frankly, it doesn't see like they make much. You get the whole bunch of them to get much of a meal out of it. But I never really would have thought that, like particle physics and Gargamel, you know, would have gone together. But well, here we are with this email from mortgage man. He says this, I just listened to the classic episode. Should we be concerned? I couldn't believe the Smurfs named their villain after some special room in use in the nineteen seventies at CERN, the Gargamel bubble Chamber. I had to dig a little deeper and found that CERN may have actually named their bubble chamber after the villain Gargamel, dates back to nineteen fifty nine. How on points since Gargamel was using Smurfs to practice alchemy. Sadly, I dug too deep and learned they are unrelated. Ah no, that's a bummer, but still it's M E. L L. E. In the CERN research facility and Gargamel of the cartoon is m e L. But see here's the point. Not all can fearces can come true. And then he has a little snippet posted way. Gargamel first appeared in La Voules des trump in the episode Yes, the episode the Smurf Napper, published in nineteen fifty nine, in which Gargamel captures a smurf in order to use as an ingredient for a potion to make gold, in accordance with the famed alchemic legend of the Philosopher's Stone. And yes, it's a comic strip called Spirou that appeared in nineteen fifty nine, published by the French publisher Dupuis. I'm not using a list of there d u p u I s I imagine that's the Dupus Dupois perhaps AnyWho, the creator of the Smurfs. By the way, you'll notice at the end of the eighties cartoon, which is what we're probably all familiar with, Peyo just says created by Peyo. Who the hell is this Peo character? He, in fact, was a Belgian illustrator whose name is actually Pierre coliford I. Was born in nineteen twenty eight and died in December of nineteen ninety two payout and yeah, Ben, you clocked it. The strumphin that's what they're known as to this day in Europe. Actually, when I was in Paris a couple of years ago, when I was in the airport coming back getting some European snacks, they have all kinds of horrible gummies over there that they do not have over here, and one of them that I picked up was Smurf gummies. But they're not called Smurf gummies. They're called stromph gummies, which I love.

It's interesting too. Before we continue with mortgage Man, I ended up in Belgium for a bit, as you guys know, and Belgium, in addition to doing animations around the world, yeah, they have a very.

It's interesting too. Before we continue with mortgage Man, I ended up in Belgium for a bit, as you guys know, and Belgium, in addition to doing animations around the world, yeah, they have a very.

A very weird.

A very weird.

Comic book museum, that's what it. Yeah, super interesting and it's great if you're there. There is another less extensive and less creepy comic pesium right across the street, but if you go, if you go in there, you will see I had no idea about the Smurf's origin before I visited there, and kind of like you, Mortgage Man, I had no real concept of how old this story was. And it's neat that we're talking about alchemy because I don't know did so you guys watched the show growing up right as children? Did you clock the occult stuff or was it something you realized later?

Comic book museum, that's what it. Yeah, super interesting and it's great if you're there. There is another less extensive and less creepy comic pesium right across the street, but if you go, if you go in there, you will see I had no idea about the Smurf's origin before I visited there, and kind of like you, Mortgage Man, I had no real concept of how old this story was. And it's neat that we're talking about alchemy because I don't know did so you guys watched the show growing up right as children? Did you clock the occult stuff or was it something you realized later?

Well, I don't know. I'd love to hear your perspective on that. Mat I definitely thought, yes, he had a cauldron, he had his sort of like creepy layer, you know, and he had a familiar with this cat Azrael, always obviously getting bungling all his recipes and getting foiled and blowing himself up, because that's what cartoon villains do. They can never win. But the alchemy part, yeah, I always thought he more like wanted to eat them because they were a delicacy or something. But then, now that I'm thinking back on it, he was always making lotions and potions and mystical physics, you know, like the flask of divine physic. Any nerds out there, I know what I'm talking about, Matt. What was your take on Gargamel growing up.

Well, I don't know. I'd love to hear your perspective on that. Mat I definitely thought, yes, he had a cauldron, he had his sort of like creepy layer, you know, and he had a familiar with this cat Azrael, always obviously getting bungling all his recipes and getting foiled and blowing himself up, because that's what cartoon villains do. They can never win. But the alchemy part, yeah, I always thought he more like wanted to eat them because they were a delicacy or something. But then, now that I'm thinking back on it, he was always making lotions and potions and mystical physics, you know, like the flask of divine physic. Any nerds out there, I know what I'm talking about, Matt. What was your take on Gargamel growing up.

Guys, I honestly can't recall. I know I watched many an episode. I know I can't see Gargamel's face in my head.

Guys, I honestly can't recall. I know I watched many an episode. I know I can't see Gargamel's face in my head.

Snaggletooth's kind of bald monk looking fellow in like a black robe with sort of floppy shoes.

Snaggletooth's kind of bald monk looking fellow in like a black robe with sort of floppy shoes.

I mean that sounds like somebody would be practicing alchemy. No, I'm just joking, but I think what I'm taking away more right now, guys, is that alchemy, the concept of alchemy played a major role in the media that we would be consuming as we're growing up, and I feel like that happened more and more. Or I'm thinking back to other Disney movies right where the villain is not always a witch, but like commonly a witch of some sort, somebody who practices magic. Right, the bad person is usually the one trying to find the secrets in through chemistry or you know, in this case, alchemy something like that. It's weird to me. I wonder why that's always portrayed in a negative light.

I mean that sounds like somebody would be practicing alchemy. No, I'm just joking, but I think what I'm taking away more right now, guys, is that alchemy, the concept of alchemy played a major role in the media that we would be consuming as we're growing up, and I feel like that happened more and more. Or I'm thinking back to other Disney movies right where the villain is not always a witch, but like commonly a witch of some sort, somebody who practices magic. Right, the bad person is usually the one trying to find the secrets in through chemistry or you know, in this case, alchemy something like that. It's weird to me. I wonder why that's always portrayed in a negative light.

Yeah, because I always think of alchemy as being sort of an intellectual pursuit, not necessarily in service of like the dark arts per se. But you're right, like in films like Harry Potter and The Sorcerer's Stone and all of that, usually the ones that are meddling with these kinds of things metal no pun intended, are doing it for some nefarious purpose.

Yeah, because I always think of alchemy as being sort of an intellectual pursuit, not necessarily in service of like the dark arts per se. But you're right, like in films like Harry Potter and The Sorcerer's Stone and all of that, usually the ones that are meddling with these kinds of things metal no pun intended, are doing it for some nefarious purpose.

Because it's often power seeking, right, That's right, That's right. So h man, it makes you want to go back and analyze a lot of the old children's movies that I watched when I was a kid.

Because it's often power seeking, right, That's right, That's right. So h man, it makes you want to go back and analyze a lot of the old children's movies that I watched when I was a kid.

Oh dude, Yeah, think of like Ursula the Sea Witch, Like she's you know, cooking up all kinds of crazy stuff, you know, and like demon fumes coming out of her weird sea cauldron, and like, you know, the what is it the Dark Cauldron? The Dark Cauldron? That the Black Cauldron. Rather, that was a super super dark and spooky Disney film that involved some some of those kinds of things as well. Guys. I'm put to put in the chat really quick, some real nightmare fuel for you. I just found this out. Hank Azaria, who does a lot of voices on the Simpsons, he played Gargamel in a very poorly received I believe Smurf's live action movie, and we'll give this shit. Give this guy, and you also see mixed in here. Look at poor hankaz Are. He really went all in with the buck teeth and the fake nose.

Oh dude, Yeah, think of like Ursula the Sea Witch, Like she's you know, cooking up all kinds of crazy stuff, you know, and like demon fumes coming out of her weird sea cauldron, and like, you know, the what is it the Dark Cauldron? The Dark Cauldron? That the Black Cauldron. Rather, that was a super super dark and spooky Disney film that involved some some of those kinds of things as well. Guys. I'm put to put in the chat really quick, some real nightmare fuel for you. I just found this out. Hank Azaria, who does a lot of voices on the Simpsons, he played Gargamel in a very poorly received I believe Smurf's live action movie, and we'll give this shit. Give this guy, and you also see mixed in here. Look at poor hankaz Are. He really went all in with the buck teeth and the fake nose.

I mean, I bet he made that character very lovable.

I mean, I bet he made that character very lovable.

You need to watch the film. It's funny. Actually, I shouldn't knock the film. I haven't seen it. I think he was gonna be in the sequel because it's called like Gargamel is Defeated or something like that. But I actually have worked in the past and have become kind of buddies with someone who is the producer on one of the Smurf's films, So I'm not sure if it was this one or another one. There was like a one that was all CGI, I believe, But AnyWho, thank you so much Mortgage Man for writing it. I mean, I know we're not talking much about Cern here, but there's all episode on that you can check out. Should you be concerned? We try to answer that question in the episode.

You need to watch the film. It's funny. Actually, I shouldn't knock the film. I haven't seen it. I think he was gonna be in the sequel because it's called like Gargamel is Defeated or something like that. But I actually have worked in the past and have become kind of buddies with someone who is the producer on one of the Smurf's films, So I'm not sure if it was this one or another one. There was like a one that was all CGI, I believe, But AnyWho, thank you so much Mortgage Man for writing it. I mean, I know we're not talking much about Cern here, but there's all episode on that you can check out. Should you be concerned? We try to answer that question in the episode.

Oh there is a good connection though, Yeah, let's hear man. So back in I want to say twenty eighteen, there was a lot of speculation that Cern had stumbled upon old school alchemy, and I really do believe we should do an episode on the Philosopher's Stone. Alchemy is endlessly fascinating to me, Alchemy chemistry as duplo is to legos. We have okay, so you can make diamonds, right, you can pressurize carbon such that you can create for all intents and purposes a diamond. You can get past the blood diamond stuff. And the issue that a lot of people have in alchemy and you know in banking is that there's not a synthetic process for doing the same thing with gold. But apparently, back a few years back at CERN, physicists, oh this was before twenty eighteen, this is like twenty thirteen, physicists realized that there was a thin film of material that was forming on the interior of the large hadron collider and it was made up of precious metals. It was a combination about ninety percent gold, ten percent platinum, and a very very small remaining percentage of rare earth metals. Wait, this is like a byproduct. Yeah, it's not a purpose.

Oh there is a good connection though, Yeah, let's hear man. So back in I want to say twenty eighteen, there was a lot of speculation that Cern had stumbled upon old school alchemy, and I really do believe we should do an episode on the Philosopher's Stone. Alchemy is endlessly fascinating to me, Alchemy chemistry as duplo is to legos. We have okay, so you can make diamonds, right, you can pressurize carbon such that you can create for all intents and purposes a diamond. You can get past the blood diamond stuff. And the issue that a lot of people have in alchemy and you know in banking is that there's not a synthetic process for doing the same thing with gold. But apparently, back a few years back at CERN, physicists, oh this was before twenty eighteen, this is like twenty thirteen, physicists realized that there was a thin film of material that was forming on the interior of the large hadron collider and it was made up of precious metals. It was a combination about ninety percent gold, ten percent platinum, and a very very small remaining percentage of rare earth metals. Wait, this is like a byproduct. Yeah, it's not a purpose.

WHOA, how do you even do that? That's crazy?

WHOA, how do you even do that? That's crazy?

Well, great discoveries. It happened accidentally.

Well, great discoveries. It happened accidentally.

When you're smashing protons together, right, And by the way, wouldn't the way that synthetically, not synthetically, but to make a diamond just to be wouldn't that be just.

When you're smashing protons together, right, And by the way, wouldn't the way that synthetically, not synthetically, but to make a diamond just to be wouldn't that be just.

To compress carbon under great force that you could control or is that not possible?

To compress carbon under great force that you could control or is that not possible?

No?

No?

Yeah, lab lab created that's what these diamonds are all all the rage. They really are?

Yeah, lab lab created that's what these diamonds are all all the rage. They really are?

Are they are? They? Are they considered as as valuable? No? I didn't think. So that's not that it's not the same as cubics or conium, is it. No, No, it is a true diamond. It's just not from the earth and nobody suffered to create it. That is that where the cachet comes from.

Are they are? They? Are they considered as as valuable? No? I didn't think. So that's not that it's not the same as cubics or conium, is it. No, No, it is a true diamond. It's just not from the earth and nobody suffered to create it. That is that where the cachet comes from.

Guys, Currently CERN is not making gold. We want to be clear. They've found accidentally some byproducts let's call them, of this particle acceleration, this atom smashing, this proton stripping and so on. But I thought it was a neat connection. And really, if you could create gold, it would up end the world economy. Right. It's one of those things where if you patented a process for it, and we'll talk about patents later today, you would fall under the National Invention Secrecy or Security Act because you would ruin the world.

Guys, Currently CERN is not making gold. We want to be clear. They've found accidentally some byproducts let's call them, of this particle acceleration, this atom smashing, this proton stripping and so on. But I thought it was a neat connection. And really, if you could create gold, it would up end the world economy. Right. It's one of those things where if you patented a process for it, and we'll talk about patents later today, you would fall under the National Invention Secrecy or Security Act because you would ruin the world.

Well, it also depends on how expensive it is to create the gold, right, So how much energy do you need, what raw materials do you need? That kind of thing?

Well, it also depends on how expensive it is to create the gold, right, So how much energy do you need, what raw materials do you need? That kind of thing?

If it costs If the process costs less than the market value of gold, then you are dangerous.

If it costs If the process costs less than the market value of gold, then you are dangerous.

Yeah, there you go. But again, I guess gold is really important for a lot of places in the world. But you know, if you're like the United States, you could just print money.

Yeah, there you go. But again, I guess gold is really important for a lot of places in the world. But you know, if you're like the United States, you could just print money.

Yeah literally, yeah, fun stuff, but a ben thank you for that, for that kicker there, and thank you mortgage man for bringing this to to our attention and then allowing us to talk about the Smurfs for fifteen minutes. It was a delight. We're going to take a break and they're going to come back and hear it some more from.

Yeah literally, yeah, fun stuff, but a ben thank you for that, for that kicker there, and thank you mortgage man for bringing this to to our attention and then allowing us to talk about the Smurfs for fifteen minutes. It was a delight. We're going to take a break and they're going to come back and hear it some more from.

You, and we've returned, and quick shout out to our episode on Alchemy with Damian Patrick Williams. You can check sweet that exists now on our feeds as a classic and in its original form from twenty sixteen.

You, and we've returned, and quick shout out to our episode on Alchemy with Damian Patrick Williams. You can check sweet that exists now on our feeds as a classic and in its original form from twenty sixteen.

You know he's my boy, right, so I have to say it, doctor Williams. Congratulations Professor.

You know he's my boy, right, so I have to say it, doctor Williams. Congratulations Professor.

Oh hey Concrats, I didn't know, all right. I know he was going for it back.

Oh hey Concrats, I didn't know, all right. I know he was going for it back.

In the day.

In the day.

Nice work.

Nice work.

He went for it and he got it.

He went for it and he got it.

Well, you know what, we're going to go for a little message from a person themselves, Summer Frog.

Well, you know what, we're going to go for a little message from a person themselves, Summer Frog.

Hello, this is summer Frog calling in from the East Coast. I wanted to let you guys know something that I experienced. I don't know if you've done an episode on it yet, but it could be interesting. Is this new generation of celebrity styled cults. I found them when I was living in Los Angeles and I found myself accidentally moving into a Scientology affiliated cult called Upstart, and they had cameras in most of the rooms. We didn't have tenant right, we were members. They did random searches on all of our stuff, and it was kind of a weird experience. I think it's something you could really look into. They basically promised people celebrity status if they stay with them, and they find people that are so desperate for that type of celebrity that they basically become dependent on the services they provide, primarily affordable housing in a city as expensive as Los Angeles. Could be interesting. You should look into it.

Hello, this is summer Frog calling in from the East Coast. I wanted to let you guys know something that I experienced. I don't know if you've done an episode on it yet, but it could be interesting. Is this new generation of celebrity styled cults. I found them when I was living in Los Angeles and I found myself accidentally moving into a Scientology affiliated cult called Upstart, and they had cameras in most of the rooms. We didn't have tenant right, we were members. They did random searches on all of our stuff, and it was kind of a weird experience. I think it's something you could really look into. They basically promised people celebrity status if they stay with them, and they find people that are so desperate for that type of celebrity that they basically become dependent on the services they provide, primarily affordable housing in a city as expensive as Los Angeles. Could be interesting. You should look into it.

Well, thank you very much, Summer Frog. Okay, guys, before we jump into our initial thoughts, I just want to point out that Summer Frog did use the C word in that message and associated with a mainstream religion that we've talked about before on this show many many times.

Well, thank you very much, Summer Frog. Okay, guys, before we jump into our initial thoughts, I just want to point out that Summer Frog did use the C word in that message and associated with a mainstream religion that we've talked about before on this show many many times.

Oh cult, Yeah, I thought I thought it was.

Oh cult, Yeah, I thought I thought it was.

I thought it was Nope, it was it was cult. Just putting it. They go that was that was done by the caller, just pointing that out right there. If you're out there listening, you know who you are.

I thought it was Nope, it was it was cult. Just putting it. They go that was that was done by the caller, just pointing that out right there. If you're out there listening, you know who you are.

So Scientology has gotten defanged a little bit of it.

So Scientology has gotten defanged a little bit of it.

I know we did. We did a whole episode with one of the main guys defected. But still this person isociated Scientology with cults, or at least a Scientology affiliated cult. We're going to get into that pretty deeply here. But first of all, what do you guys think about this concept of offering affordable housing as a tactic to bring people into an organization.

I know we did. We did a whole episode with one of the main guys defected. But still this person isociated Scientology with cults, or at least a Scientology affiliated cult. We're going to get into that pretty deeply here. But first of all, what do you guys think about this concept of offering affordable housing as a tactic to bring people into an organization.

To exploit the vulnerable.

To exploit the vulnerable.

Yes, oh yeah, yes, gross to your point, Ben, yes, effective, sure, But how is that any different than like Christian outreach, you know what I mean, or like you know, Christian uh half most Christian affiliated halfway houses or things like that that are considered like you know, helping the community or food banks and stuff, you know. I mean again, one person's religion is with another person's cult, but it is recruiting tactics. You can't deny it. I mean, of course, you know there is benevolence involved in that, you know, within the Christian faith and their outreach, but it's also it's kind of a way of spreading the word and getting people into the flock.

Yes, oh yeah, yes, gross to your point, Ben, yes, effective, sure, But how is that any different than like Christian outreach, you know what I mean, or like you know, Christian uh half most Christian affiliated halfway houses or things like that that are considered like you know, helping the community or food banks and stuff, you know. I mean again, one person's religion is with another person's cult, but it is recruiting tactics. You can't deny it. I mean, of course, you know there is benevolence involved in that, you know, within the Christian faith and their outreach, but it's also it's kind of a way of spreading the word and getting people into the flock.

It certainly feels like a way to get membership if you're trying to have members of an organist, right, make an offer to those members that is almost too good to be true. So let's talk a little bit more about this company. It is a company and you can go to their website right now. It is spelled up parentheses st and parentheses capital art, so upstart, right, but it's Upstart, that's how you would say it.

It certainly feels like a way to get membership if you're trying to have members of an organist, right, make an offer to those members that is almost too good to be true. So let's talk a little bit more about this company. It is a company and you can go to their website right now. It is spelled up parentheses st and parentheses capital art, so upstart, right, but it's Upstart, that's how you would say it.

Multiple locations, man.

Multiple locations, man.

Yes, Upstart Creative. You can go to their website here, which is live upstart dot com to check them out. And it seems really cool on the surface, like really really cool. If you are a young person you're trying to get started in a creative field, no matter what that is. You could move to Los Angeles place where there are a lot of other creatives and live for an affordable price and collaborate with a bunch of other people who are trying to do the same thing. Sounds great, sounds awesome, And they even offer things like shared workplaces for specific creative fields like dance studios, art studios, recording studios. Again, sounds amazing. So we found a video on YouTube that is currently unlisted, but you can find it through a couple of publications. It's about Upstart Creative and it was on Good Day Los Angeles or Good Day LA. I'm gonna give you kind of a rundown of what you learn if you watch the video. So, if you join upstart, you become a member, and you start living in one of their places, you will pay seven hundred and fifty dollars a month in rent, which in three years ago, twenty twenty, when this was posted, maybe it was even posted a little before that. That's at least when Upstart posted it to their page right in twenty twenty, seven hundred and fifty dollars a month for rent in Los Angeles. Doesn't that sound pretty good?

Yes, Upstart Creative. You can go to their website here, which is live upstart dot com to check them out. And it seems really cool on the surface, like really really cool. If you are a young person you're trying to get started in a creative field, no matter what that is. You could move to Los Angeles place where there are a lot of other creatives and live for an affordable price and collaborate with a bunch of other people who are trying to do the same thing. Sounds great, sounds awesome, And they even offer things like shared workplaces for specific creative fields like dance studios, art studios, recording studios. Again, sounds amazing. So we found a video on YouTube that is currently unlisted, but you can find it through a couple of publications. It's about Upstart Creative and it was on Good Day Los Angeles or Good Day LA. I'm gonna give you kind of a rundown of what you learn if you watch the video. So, if you join upstart, you become a member, and you start living in one of their places, you will pay seven hundred and fifty dollars a month in rent, which in three years ago, twenty twenty, when this was posted, maybe it was even posted a little before that. That's at least when Upstart posted it to their page right in twenty twenty, seven hundred and fifty dollars a month for rent in Los Angeles. Doesn't that sound pretty good?

Egregiously good. It's unbeliev it's.

Egregiously good. It's unbeliev it's.

Exactly, yes, sir.

Exactly, yes, sir.

So then your thought is, well, what do I get for that? Is this like a studio apartment kind of thing. Is it a tiny little apartment that is just a bed and maybe a bath, a bath, half bath or something. What do you get? Well, you get a bedroom that is basically a bunk bed situation, except not in the way. Maybe you're thinking It reminds me a little bit of the pod hotels that we've been talking about, but think way smaller, think more like a honeycomb, maybe a cap yeah, like Ben, Yes, like the capsule hotel situation where you literally have a tiny little where you have one cell in a honeycomb basically that is within a room and there are maybe ten other people in that room that live with you.

So then your thought is, well, what do I get for that? Is this like a studio apartment kind of thing. Is it a tiny little apartment that is just a bed and maybe a bath, a bath, half bath or something. What do you get? Well, you get a bedroom that is basically a bunk bed situation, except not in the way. Maybe you're thinking It reminds me a little bit of the pod hotels that we've been talking about, but think way smaller, think more like a honeycomb, maybe a cap yeah, like Ben, Yes, like the capsule hotel situation where you literally have a tiny little where you have one cell in a honeycomb basically that is within a room and there are maybe ten other people in that room that live with you.

Do you have a rack like like you know, on a sub they would call it a rack.

Do you have a rack like like you know, on a sub they would call it a rack.

Maybe it's like a yeah, it feels like that.

Maybe it's like a yeah, it feels like that.

Do you have to share a bed? Do you sleep in shifts?

Do you have to share a bed? Do you sleep in shifts?

No? No, I don't think it's sharing a bed. Maybe it's that way. I don't know. I couldn't find that information online anywhere.

No? No, I don't think it's sharing a bed. Maybe it's that way. I don't know. I couldn't find that information online anywhere.

But you probably have to get in before you learn that kind of stuff.

But you probably have to get in before you learn that kind of stuff.

I've maybe, yeah, you really sign up, then you figure that out. But in this video again that was featured on Good Day Los Angeles, a television show, a local television show, they state that there were ninety five people, ninety five people living at one of their locations. But hey, here's the good thing. You get to cook, clean and work and collaborate with everybody else in the house. You're sharing like a kitchen space. If you imagine that with ninety five people, Yikes, that's horrifying to me. You have to be an artist of some form, so you have to be pursuing some kind of creative career. Again, I listed those things. The studios you get to check out. They had at that time nearly four hundred members in Los Angeles, and at that time they were opening an eighth location. The average age, according to Good Day Los Angeles was eighteen to twenty five, so these are very young people trying to start their creative careers.

I've maybe, yeah, you really sign up, then you figure that out. But in this video again that was featured on Good Day Los Angeles, a television show, a local television show, they state that there were ninety five people, ninety five people living at one of their locations. But hey, here's the good thing. You get to cook, clean and work and collaborate with everybody else in the house. You're sharing like a kitchen space. If you imagine that with ninety five people, Yikes, that's horrifying to me. You have to be an artist of some form, so you have to be pursuing some kind of creative career. Again, I listed those things. The studios you get to check out. They had at that time nearly four hundred members in Los Angeles, and at that time they were opening an eighth location. The average age, according to Good Day Los Angeles was eighteen to twenty five, so these are very young people trying to start their creative careers.

Yeah. You can see the testimonials on the website that you brought us to, Matt. You can see testimonials from Silver Lake Echo Park. I think the Silver Lake one has someone saying this is the best way for people to transition to living in LA given that the cost of living is so much higher than so many other places in the US. That's totally understandable. Like that, it would fill a need. This probably does work for some people, at least as as far as we know. According to summer Frog, there may be more play.

Yeah. You can see the testimonials on the website that you brought us to, Matt. You can see testimonials from Silver Lake Echo Park. I think the Silver Lake one has someone saying this is the best way for people to transition to living in LA given that the cost of living is so much higher than so many other places in the US. That's totally understandable. Like that, it would fill a need. This probably does work for some people, at least as as far as we know. According to summer Frog, there may be more play.

Yeah, well, it certainly does work for some people, and it could be a perfect situation. You're living out there for on their website they have the actual prices updated for twenty twenty three. The Silver Lake location is only seven hundred and fifteen dollars a month, and for that you get a photo studio and office space, a printer, house, computer, piano, guitars, outdoor hammocks, and a coin op laundry. That's interesting.

Yeah, well, it certainly does work for some people, and it could be a perfect situation. You're living out there for on their website they have the actual prices updated for twenty twenty three. The Silver Lake location is only seven hundred and fifteen dollars a month, and for that you get a photo studio and office space, a printer, house, computer, piano, guitars, outdoor hammocks, and a coin op laundry. That's interesting.

US currency or do they have like company store money.

US currency or do they have like company store money.

I don't know. I don't know. If you want to live in Echo Park or East Hollywood, that's going to run you seven hundred and ninety five dollars a month. And again, it's kind of weird because on their website, like in the Silver Lake location, you've just got a shot of like the living room area. In East Hollywood you got a shot of the living room area, and in the Echo Park location you've got like partially the front of a house situation. But it's there's no way to really tell what you're getting, at least from their own website, And then you go over to Yelp in some of the other places where the company's featured, and it's very difficult to know really what you're getting into, probably, like you said, Ben, until you sign up for that membership, then you get the whole deal.

I don't know. I don't know. If you want to live in Echo Park or East Hollywood, that's going to run you seven hundred and ninety five dollars a month. And again, it's kind of weird because on their website, like in the Silver Lake location, you've just got a shot of like the living room area. In East Hollywood you got a shot of the living room area, and in the Echo Park location you've got like partially the front of a house situation. But it's there's no way to really tell what you're getting, at least from their own website, And then you go over to Yelp in some of the other places where the company's featured, and it's very difficult to know really what you're getting into, probably, like you said, Ben, until you sign up for that membership, then you get the whole deal.

Where's the scientology connection.

Where's the scientology connection.

Though, Where is the scientology connection? That is a great question, Ben. I can't find it. I can't find it except for in reviews on Yelp and in what summer Frog mentioned at what was it searching our belongings basically and having strict rules about lifestyle, which potentially feels like that could be a religion, you know, a religious based organization that when you sign up for membership, you agree not to do certain things, not to have certain substances on your person or keep them in the house, that kind of thing, which you know, if you sign a legal document for that. I mean, I guess it's legal to search and do those kinds of things. But again, there's no official connection to any religion that I can find anywhere online. Oh yeah, I would send everybody over to Spectrum News one. Spectrum News one and search for creative co living spaces provide affordable homes for aspiring creators. That's one of the only places I can actually find this place written about. But again, it's hard to know who it's written by because it literally the byline is blank. So maybe it's just pr who knows.

Though, Where is the scientology connection? That is a great question, Ben. I can't find it. I can't find it except for in reviews on Yelp and in what summer Frog mentioned at what was it searching our belongings basically and having strict rules about lifestyle, which potentially feels like that could be a religion, you know, a religious based organization that when you sign up for membership, you agree not to do certain things, not to have certain substances on your person or keep them in the house, that kind of thing, which you know, if you sign a legal document for that. I mean, I guess it's legal to search and do those kinds of things. But again, there's no official connection to any religion that I can find anywhere online. Oh yeah, I would send everybody over to Spectrum News one. Spectrum News one and search for creative co living spaces provide affordable homes for aspiring creators. That's one of the only places I can actually find this place written about. But again, it's hard to know who it's written by because it literally the byline is blank. So maybe it's just pr who knows.

Okay, Well, there's also I'm just looking here there there are a couple of articles, but a lot of them are. They look like they're leveraging the same talking points, if that makes sense. And it looks like there is an instagram for Upstart that was last updated in January of twenty twenty one.

Okay, Well, there's also I'm just looking here there there are a couple of articles, but a lot of them are. They look like they're leveraging the same talking points, if that makes sense. And it looks like there is an instagram for Upstart that was last updated in January of twenty twenty one.

Yep, so it's it's hard to know. I've found something in costar dot com. It says Church of Scientology buys Los Angeles Creative office property. But I have to sign up for co star to read the rest, So I'm sorry, guys, I have to do read them. But I was trying to.

Yep, so it's it's hard to know. I've found something in costar dot com. It says Church of Scientology buys Los Angeles Creative office property. But I have to sign up for co star to read the rest, So I'm sorry, guys, I have to do read them. But I was trying to.

See stand that QR code that you're getting on the back of your deck.

See stand that QR code that you're getting on the back of your deck.

Oh yeah, maybe I can't. Maybe I can't. But I couldn't find any further information about that location. So again, it could be completely unrelated. It probably is. I would recommend everyone head over to Yelp because you can find Upstart Creative Living and just see what people are saying. It's mostly glowing reviews. Right. This is a great situation that's helped me out all the things you would imagine. This is a creative space. I met a bunch of people that helped me. You know, along the way, there are others that have really negative things to say that I almost hesitate to read on air because it could be because it could be a bad thing. I'll give you this tiny short one that is not indicative of all of the reviews. It is just an example of a potential connection to scientology. David Vee says, if you crave scientology, hard drugs, cockroaches, broken refrigeration, and the occasional rape, then this place is for you. If not live any that though, is one person posting an opinion on a site that allows you to post your opinion, right, and maybe that opinion is not real, maybe it is who knows, there's no way to verify.

Oh yeah, maybe I can't. Maybe I can't. But I couldn't find any further information about that location. So again, it could be completely unrelated. It probably is. I would recommend everyone head over to Yelp because you can find Upstart Creative Living and just see what people are saying. It's mostly glowing reviews. Right. This is a great situation that's helped me out all the things you would imagine. This is a creative space. I met a bunch of people that helped me. You know, along the way, there are others that have really negative things to say that I almost hesitate to read on air because it could be because it could be a bad thing. I'll give you this tiny short one that is not indicative of all of the reviews. It is just an example of a potential connection to scientology. David Vee says, if you crave scientology, hard drugs, cockroaches, broken refrigeration, and the occasional rape, then this place is for you. If not live any that though, is one person posting an opinion on a site that allows you to post your opinion, right, and maybe that opinion is not real, maybe it is who knows, there's no way to verify.

Right.

Right.

Yeah, you're right, man, you're right, And it's the ethical thing to point out what you're saying. This is uh. To add to that, we do have to acknowledge that yelp is under fire itself for being kind of crooked and telling people that they have to pay to play if they want good reviews surfaced. So there's that, But also this hit me. I was looking through the website that you just showed all of us, and do you remember cheddar.

Yeah, you're right, man, you're right, And it's the ethical thing to point out what you're saying. This is uh. To add to that, we do have to acknowledge that yelp is under fire itself for being kind of crooked and telling people that they have to pay to play if they want good reviews surfaced. So there's that, But also this hit me. I was looking through the website that you just showed all of us, and do you remember cheddar.

Oh I saw I saw about so should Jason Hoak.

Oh I saw I saw about so should Jason Hoak.

Oh boy, yeah, Cheddar. You know where Cheddar's been relegated to now the little screen on gas pumps.

Oh boy, yeah, Cheddar. You know where Cheddar's been relegated to now the little screen on gas pumps.

Oh nice, that's still eyeballs though, you know what I mean. Any show is a show.

Oh nice, that's still eyeballs though, you know what I mean. Any show is a show.

Trying to say coffin flops, not a showy coops show.

Trying to say coffin flops, not a showy coops show.

They said that to be at a dinner anyway. Yeah, yeah, season three, I think you should leave on the way. We're excited. Uh but yeah, Matt, as you were.

They said that to be at a dinner anyway. Yeah, yeah, season three, I think you should leave on the way. We're excited. Uh but yeah, Matt, as you were.

Saying, I was saying stuff. Anyway. We don't have a ton of information about this organization other than it sounds intriguing to me, and I'd love to go check out a location. I can't fathom how you fit that many people into any location unless it's some kind of sprawling building right when you're when you're having people live in those little tiny pods or whatever. It just it doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense how it could be very comfortable for me. And the idea of tenet rights is a really interesting thing, because if you're renting an apartment, you have certain rights, and are those negated by joining a membership instead of signing a lease of some sort. I don't know.

Saying, I was saying stuff. Anyway. We don't have a ton of information about this organization other than it sounds intriguing to me, and I'd love to go check out a location. I can't fathom how you fit that many people into any location unless it's some kind of sprawling building right when you're when you're having people live in those little tiny pods or whatever. It just it doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense how it could be very comfortable for me. And the idea of tenet rights is a really interesting thing, because if you're renting an apartment, you have certain rights, and are those negated by joining a membership instead of signing a lease of some sort. I don't know.

It's kind of like the It's kind of like the line with m das right. If someone signs an NDA that precludes them from or puts them in a situation where they would obstruct justice, then it gets very sticky. Right. And and also, you know, to be absolutely fair, I think we're doing an rright job. Some I hope we're doing an right job. Some are frog in being objective and acknowledging. And when we don't have all the facts, I do want to add one more fact into our our chemical mix here. Scientology is known to use proxies to get at people right and to not be PubL blink about that. Check out our episodes on things like narcanan excuse me, I'm.

It's kind of like the It's kind of like the line with m das right. If someone signs an NDA that precludes them from or puts them in a situation where they would obstruct justice, then it gets very sticky. Right. And and also, you know, to be absolutely fair, I think we're doing an rright job. Some I hope we're doing an right job. Some are frog in being objective and acknowledging. And when we don't have all the facts, I do want to add one more fact into our our chemical mix here. Scientology is known to use proxies to get at people right and to not be PubL blink about that. Check out our episodes on things like narcanan excuse me, I'm.

Going to give you one more yelp review just to show you the difference. Mark W. Says, I lived at an Upstart for a year and a half and I can easily say it was the best part of my journey in la I moved here with barely any money, no friends or a place to sleep. When I landed, I found a hostel for a few nights and then saw an ad for Upstart on Craigslist. They gave me a tour of a property, and I was sold. This place brings people together from all walks of life that have one thing in common. They put their passion above all else, and again it goes on. It's very positive. So that's the span that you get for this place. Who knows. We'd love more information if you've got it, so please do right to us. We'll tell you how to contact us at the end of this episode. Now we're going to take a quick word from our sponsors and be right back.

Going to give you one more yelp review just to show you the difference. Mark W. Says, I lived at an Upstart for a year and a half and I can easily say it was the best part of my journey in la I moved here with barely any money, no friends or a place to sleep. When I landed, I found a hostel for a few nights and then saw an ad for Upstart on Craigslist. They gave me a tour of a property, and I was sold. This place brings people together from all walks of life that have one thing in common. They put their passion above all else, and again it goes on. It's very positive. So that's the span that you get for this place. Who knows. We'd love more information if you've got it, so please do right to us. We'll tell you how to contact us at the end of this episode. Now we're going to take a quick word from our sponsors and be right back.

And we have returned with one more message from you for this week listener mail segment. Let's end it with let'sten with a rabbit hole.

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I love this.

I love this.

We recently received some correspondence from Kevin and as you know, folks, we read every email we get. This one. I don't know if you guys saw this one. This one really stood out to me because in our earlier episode on UFOs in the Korean War one sighting in specific, we walked through some pretty logical questions about what could have happened and how and why, And honestly, I was not expecting us to find an answer. Sometimes you shout into the void. But I'd like to proudly present one of the best theories that at least I have heard explaining UFO sightings in the Korean War. So over to Kevin. Kevin, you said, Hey, I just listened to the episode and it got me thinking about some research i'd done a while back on the topic of Foo fighters, not the band, the aerial phenomenon. While looking round online, I stumbled onto the concept of the long aerial mind. Here's a conceptual drawing of the basic idea and operation, and this reminds me. This reminds me a bit of the skyhook technology, just a little bit if you If you look at this, you learn more at a website Kevin provided called Airwar Great Britain dot blogspot dot com. And what you'll see is a fairly simple parachute device. It has a it's meant to carry bombs via via parachute. Right, there's no engineer or anything. And the idea is that with something like piano wire, this thing would be high enough to catch airplanes on the wing as they fly by, so they hit that wire and then they activate a mine in the air. It's a pretty simple, brilliant concept.

We recently received some correspondence from Kevin and as you know, folks, we read every email we get. This one. I don't know if you guys saw this one. This one really stood out to me because in our earlier episode on UFOs in the Korean War one sighting in specific, we walked through some pretty logical questions about what could have happened and how and why, And honestly, I was not expecting us to find an answer. Sometimes you shout into the void. But I'd like to proudly present one of the best theories that at least I have heard explaining UFO sightings in the Korean War. So over to Kevin. Kevin, you said, Hey, I just listened to the episode and it got me thinking about some research i'd done a while back on the topic of Foo fighters, not the band, the aerial phenomenon. While looking round online, I stumbled onto the concept of the long aerial mind. Here's a conceptual drawing of the basic idea and operation, and this reminds me. This reminds me a bit of the skyhook technology, just a little bit if you If you look at this, you learn more at a website Kevin provided called Airwar Great Britain dot blogspot dot com. And what you'll see is a fairly simple parachute device. It has a it's meant to carry bombs via via parachute. Right, there's no engineer or anything. And the idea is that with something like piano wire, this thing would be high enough to catch airplanes on the wing as they fly by, so they hit that wire and then they activate a mine in the air. It's a pretty simple, brilliant concept.

WHOA, it looks incredible, Ben, I'm looking at the schematics here on that website you mentioned. So it's basically two parachutes, right, yeah, that's incredible.

WHOA, it looks incredible, Ben, I'm looking at the schematics here on that website you mentioned. So it's basically two parachutes, right, yeah, that's incredible.

It so these are released at two hundred foot intervals. They are going to create a slowly descending barrier in the air, So it's a trip wire basically for a plane. Kevin continues, It got me thinking that maybe what pilots were seeing following their planes, meaning food fighters, were actually aerial minds caught on their wings, and since they only saw them at night, they wouldn't have seen the entirety of the mechanism to understand what they were. With that in mind, I started searching the patent database to see if anything similar had been patented, and lo and behold, I found Deep Breath pattent US two three two nine four one four a for an aerial apparatus filed in nineteen forty by Joseph Z. Delenda, which was basically a powered version of the long aerial mine. Kevin says, here's an image from the patent illustrating its mechanism. Checked it out. The mechanism is legit. Kevin also shares the description of the patent. It also we also come to find that this inventor de Linda had been investigated by the Special Committee on Un American Activities, and he is being asked about whether he was going to sell battleship plans and military components to the Soviet Union in nineteen thirty nine. And then it appears that this guy was also connected to a French munitions company which is known for manufacturing mortar, and he had a patent licensing deal with them. Look, okay, here's where Kevin is getting and this is an excellent rabbit hole man, he says. So with all that in mind, my theory is as follows. The food fighters and possibly the UFOs seen in Korea were versions of Joseph Z. Delinda's aerial Mind fitted with lights and acoustic devices. Patents of the design were sold to that French munitions company Edgar Brandt by Delinda, which produced the devices prior to or during World War II. They were captured by the Germans during the French occupation and used in desperation toward the end of the war. How they ended up in Korea is anyone's guest. I hope you find this info as interesting as I did. Oh, Kevin, I'm having a cloud atless moment with you right now, man, Like, does this kind of make sense?

It so these are released at two hundred foot intervals. They are going to create a slowly descending barrier in the air, So it's a trip wire basically for a plane. Kevin continues, It got me thinking that maybe what pilots were seeing following their planes, meaning food fighters, were actually aerial minds caught on their wings, and since they only saw them at night, they wouldn't have seen the entirety of the mechanism to understand what they were. With that in mind, I started searching the patent database to see if anything similar had been patented, and lo and behold, I found Deep Breath pattent US two three two nine four one four a for an aerial apparatus filed in nineteen forty by Joseph Z. Delenda, which was basically a powered version of the long aerial mine. Kevin says, here's an image from the patent illustrating its mechanism. Checked it out. The mechanism is legit. Kevin also shares the description of the patent. It also we also come to find that this inventor de Linda had been investigated by the Special Committee on Un American Activities, and he is being asked about whether he was going to sell battleship plans and military components to the Soviet Union in nineteen thirty nine. And then it appears that this guy was also connected to a French munitions company which is known for manufacturing mortar, and he had a patent licensing deal with them. Look, okay, here's where Kevin is getting and this is an excellent rabbit hole man, he says. So with all that in mind, my theory is as follows. The food fighters and possibly the UFOs seen in Korea were versions of Joseph Z. Delinda's aerial Mind fitted with lights and acoustic devices. Patents of the design were sold to that French munitions company Edgar Brandt by Delinda, which produced the devices prior to or during World War II. They were captured by the Germans during the French occupation and used in desperation toward the end of the war. How they ended up in Korea is anyone's guest. I hope you find this info as interesting as I did. Oh, Kevin, I'm having a cloud atless moment with you right now, man, Like, does this kind of make sense?

It definitely makes sense.

It definitely makes sense.

It's a theory, it's not proven.

It's a theory, it's not proven.

It's an excellent connection, I think, to what those pilots were describing to what would potentially happen if your plane got you know, caught, if one of these things got stuck in your plane basically are on your plane. And then this concept of Delinda, who's making a powered version instead of the slowly descending one that a pilot would probably see from fairly far off. It's just kind of floating there. And then if you don't notice the long string right or the long rope or whatever it is, you just fly right through that sucker, no idea, and you've got something in tow. The weird thing to me is that why didn't why didn't they function with there's explosive capabilities, Because the whole point of these things was to have a bomb up top above where the airplane would fly, and then the parachute on the bottom pulls like it gets activated, then pulls the bomb down into the plane's hull so that it would explode and blow up your adversarial airplane.

It's an excellent connection, I think, to what those pilots were describing to what would potentially happen if your plane got you know, caught, if one of these things got stuck in your plane basically are on your plane. And then this concept of Delinda, who's making a powered version instead of the slowly descending one that a pilot would probably see from fairly far off. It's just kind of floating there. And then if you don't notice the long string right or the long rope or whatever it is, you just fly right through that sucker, no idea, and you've got something in tow. The weird thing to me is that why didn't why didn't they function with there's explosive capabilities, Because the whole point of these things was to have a bomb up top above where the airplane would fly, and then the parachute on the bottom pulls like it gets activated, then pulls the bomb down into the plane's hull so that it would explode and blow up your adversarial airplane.

Remember Ben those balloon bombs that were developed around the same time. I think it was. They're probably parallel versions. I think the ones I'm thinking of were Japanese and they would detonate based on altitude. It's just interesting. I don't know, like this kind of like sort of odd ball tech that like on paper seems interesting. But clearly we haven't heard a ton about bees. They probably were spottily successful. I don't know, what do you think in terms of effectiveness? Right, same with the balloon bombs. They were always going off course and going to crazy places.

Remember Ben those balloon bombs that were developed around the same time. I think it was. They're probably parallel versions. I think the ones I'm thinking of were Japanese and they would detonate based on altitude. It's just interesting. I don't know, like this kind of like sort of odd ball tech that like on paper seems interesting. But clearly we haven't heard a ton about bees. They probably were spottily successful. I don't know, what do you think in terms of effectiveness? Right, same with the balloon bombs. They were always going off course and going to crazy places.

It just feels like to me, if this were the case for all food fighters, Kevin, I think the story about food fighters would be they attack planes. Right, These food fighters are downing planes all over the place, right.

It just feels like to me, if this were the case for all food fighters, Kevin, I think the story about food fighters would be they attack planes. Right, These food fighters are downing planes all over the place, right.

I watched them the story exactly.

I watched them the story exactly.

I watched my buddy's plane go down when a food fighter was above it for a minute.

I watched my buddy's plane go down when a food fighter was above it for a minute.

Yeah, that's that's a really good point, because that would mean that if they were these devices, that would mean they had one hundred percent failure rate as far as the bombs go.

Yeah, that's that's a really good point, because that would mean that if they were these devices, that would mean they had one hundred percent failure rate as far as the bombs go.

And maybe they did, and.

And maybe they did, and.

Maybe they did. Maybe that's the reason you don't see them now. Uh, maybe that's why they're not all around, you know, O'Har and Hartsfield and Lax or whatever. But the but there's also I think there's a really uh there's the imami of theory building right, Like there's this tasty, compelling thing that can explain a couple of aspects here. So, okay, if there was some sort of powered aerial mine parachute contraption over there in the Korean Peninsula when this artillery fire was happening, they were watching that village from afar, then maybe you wouldn't hear or see the explosion amid all the all the artillery, right, which also detonates in the air.

Maybe they did. Maybe that's the reason you don't see them now. Uh, maybe that's why they're not all around, you know, O'Har and Hartsfield and Lax or whatever. But the but there's also I think there's a really uh there's the imami of theory building right, Like there's this tasty, compelling thing that can explain a couple of aspects here. So, okay, if there was some sort of powered aerial mine parachute contraption over there in the Korean Peninsula when this artillery fire was happening, they were watching that village from afar, then maybe you wouldn't hear or see the explosion amid all the all the artillery, right, which also detonates in the air.

Maybe you.

Maybe you.

But he shot it with the M one, right, He shot at the M one, which has an effective range of five hundred yards, so he's close enough to hit it with a solid ping right, and then it went nuts. It went haywire, which does sound like a malfunctioning engine taking fire. I don't know. It's just compelling, and yet it's not one hundred percent, But it's way more certain than saying aliens showed up and what was our other one time travelers?

But he shot it with the M one, right, He shot at the M one, which has an effective range of five hundred yards, so he's close enough to hit it with a solid ping right, and then it went nuts. It went haywire, which does sound like a malfunctioning engine taking fire. I don't know. It's just compelling, and yet it's not one hundred percent, But it's way more certain than saying aliens showed up and what was our other one time travelers?

Yeah, you know, I think this is what it is. You're right, Ben, It's a way better explanation for that specific sighting during the Korean.

Yeah, you know, I think this is what it is. You're right, Ben, It's a way better explanation for that specific sighting during the Korean.

War, but maybe not all though fighters.

War, but maybe not all though fighters.

Yeah, exactly, I think that. I think that's what we've got here, at least in my mind.

Yeah, exactly, I think that. I think that's what we've got here, at least in my mind.

And this sort of stuff, these thought experiments, this tracing of breadcrumbs. It's incredibly important to do this because as as we're learning, I don't think any of us knew about these aerial mines right before we got your letter, Kevin. And the technology is so simple, like to your point, now it makes sense to use this despite its disadvantages. It's probably cheap to produce its scale if it's not a powered version. This is also before radar reached its current you know, its current state, so if you wait easier to deploy this stuff. I'm like, I'm like eighty five percent short that Kevin is onto something. I just don't know what. What do you guys think?

And this sort of stuff, these thought experiments, this tracing of breadcrumbs. It's incredibly important to do this because as as we're learning, I don't think any of us knew about these aerial mines right before we got your letter, Kevin. And the technology is so simple, like to your point, now it makes sense to use this despite its disadvantages. It's probably cheap to produce its scale if it's not a powered version. This is also before radar reached its current you know, its current state, so if you wait easier to deploy this stuff. I'm like, I'm like eighty five percent short that Kevin is onto something. I just don't know what. What do you guys think?

Yeah, I'm with you, Like, I think Matt's point is really very smart. The idea if this were the phenomenon that was causing these sightings, they would be associated with planes getting attacked, agreed, I.

Yeah, I'm with you, Like, I think Matt's point is really very smart. The idea if this were the phenomenon that was causing these sightings, they would be associated with planes getting attacked, agreed, I.

Gottas They also like your idea though, Ben that if there's artillery going off everywhere and a plane takes a hit, how do you know it wasn't one of these things and the artillery fire instead. That's a really good point.

Gottas They also like your idea though, Ben that if there's artillery going off everywhere and a plane takes a hit, how do you know it wasn't one of these things and the artillery fire instead. That's a really good point.

I think the.

I think the.

First Foo fighter that got that name, I think they came around in nineteen forty four, so this would have been before the Korean War. And looking at the patents that you're mentioning, Kevin, we're talking about late thirties.

First Foo fighter that got that name, I think they came around in nineteen forty four, so this would have been before the Korean War. And looking at the patents that you're mentioning, Kevin, we're talking about late thirties.

Right, Yeah, well the patent for the mechanism one, the one that's powered, was nineteen forty.

Right, Yeah, well the patent for the mechanism one, the one that's powered, was nineteen forty.

Curious or and curious her, right, So I believe we should do more digging into little known or obscure technology of ages past, right, because we know that human civilization will walk away from technology for any number of reasons.

Curious or and curious her, right, So I believe we should do more digging into little known or obscure technology of ages past, right, because we know that human civilization will walk away from technology for any number of reasons.

Right.

Right.

I'm thinking, of course, of the fact that we can't just hop on a locky jet right now and get to Europe way faster. I'm thinking of the fact that we can't buy a blimp, which is egregious.

I'm thinking, of course, of the fact that we can't just hop on a locky jet right now and get to Europe way faster. I'm thinking of the fact that we can't buy a blimp, which is egregious.

They're just too expensive. Yeah, it wouldn't be fun though. There were like blimp dealerships, you know, just for like just to go check them out and take them for a test drive around the block, you guys.

They're just too expensive. Yeah, it wouldn't be fun though. There were like blimp dealerships, you know, just for like just to go check them out and take them for a test drive around the block, you guys.

I saw, yes, because I saw a video that I could not identify whether or not it was real or a deep fake of some sort or CGI, and I got really frustrated because it felt like it wasn't real. But then you also know it aligns with some of this company's goals and what they're doing. It was a video of an Amazon blimp and Big Amazon, and it was deploying drones, so it had two flaps beneath it to actually deploy drones, so it looked like a swarm. If you saw it at night, it would look like a large vehicle with some flashing lights that you couldn't really make out the shape, and then a bunch of small flashing lights descending from it and deploying from it, so hidden lights that don't exist, and then all of a sudden there are a bunch of lights coming out of it and flying around in it.

I saw, yes, because I saw a video that I could not identify whether or not it was real or a deep fake of some sort or CGI, and I got really frustrated because it felt like it wasn't real. But then you also know it aligns with some of this company's goals and what they're doing. It was a video of an Amazon blimp and Big Amazon, and it was deploying drones, so it had two flaps beneath it to actually deploy drones, so it looked like a swarm. If you saw it at night, it would look like a large vehicle with some flashing lights that you couldn't really make out the shape, and then a bunch of small flashing lights descending from it and deploying from it, so hidden lights that don't exist, and then all of a sudden there are a bunch of lights coming out of it and flying around in it.

That's interesting.

That's interesting.

It seems to match up with some UFO sightings that have occurred pretty recently.

It seems to match up with some UFO sightings that have occurred pretty recently.

You know what that reminds me of? That reminds me of the Akron class, the airships. There were only like two of them, and they kind of sucked, but they were airships that were okay, Like in Marvel comic books. You know, Shield has their helicarriers, right, This is like a helicarrier, but it's a blimp and it could deploy these tiny planes from the bottom. I mean, we talked about this and car stuff or something. It's another piece of technology that humanity walked away from. But more and more, I'm thinking we might be able to explain a lot of these UFO sightings, not all of them, but a lot of them during World War two and the nineteen fifties by looking into these obscure, forgotten technological innovations. All right, Kevin's got us on the case to paraphrase, to paraphrase our pal, Casey Pegram.

You know what that reminds me of? That reminds me of the Akron class, the airships. There were only like two of them, and they kind of sucked, but they were airships that were okay, Like in Marvel comic books. You know, Shield has their helicarriers, right, This is like a helicarrier, but it's a blimp and it could deploy these tiny planes from the bottom. I mean, we talked about this and car stuff or something. It's another piece of technology that humanity walked away from. But more and more, I'm thinking we might be able to explain a lot of these UFO sightings, not all of them, but a lot of them during World War two and the nineteen fifties by looking into these obscure, forgotten technological innovations. All right, Kevin's got us on the case to paraphrase, to paraphrase our pal, Casey Pegram.

Yes, indeed he needs to be paraphrase every now, and the things he contains multitudes.

Yes, indeed he needs to be paraphrase every now, and the things he contains multitudes.

Now, he would say that he doesn't like being paraphrase because he chooses his words with great precision.

Now, he would say that he doesn't like being paraphrase because he chooses his words with great precision.

That's very true.

That's very true.

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