From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my name is Noel. They called a Ben. We are joined as always with our super producer Alexis code name dot Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you are you. You are here, and that makes this the stuff they don't want you to know. It is Thursday. If you're hearing this in linear time, if you practice linear time and you're listening to this on the day it comes out, and that means it is time for our listener male segment. I want to start out today by giving a no holds barred shout out to our very own Matt Fred for going scorched earth on those voicemails. We are, we are on top of it, and we are digging up some fantastic, interesting, hilarious, disturbing stuff. Spoiler. We may have a celebrity appearance at the end of today's show. That will be up to you to decide. But for now, we are learning about crime. We're learning about heist we're learning about mysterious signals in Moscow, which should be familiar to anybody who heard our recent episodes. And then we're also going to take a deep dive into the world of criminal justice and child protection, into the bleeding edge of predictive analytics. But first, I think it's fair to say all of us were very excited when we received a correspondence about something that's very near and dear to our hearts. Heist, good old fashioned robberies, almost like something out of the Wild West. And I don't want to be too glib about it, because this is a serious thing. It is almost out of the Wild West, but more like the the western world of today and the times of covid Um. Amazon and any kind of online shopping is obviously exploded, making some very rich people even richer. Um. Well, other other people have maybe not fared quite so well um during this uh, this pandemic. Um. But I don't know if I'm kind of just editorializing here, but it would seem that this explosion in shipping has led to some opportunists kind of finding their way into the picture and robbing train cars, much more so than have been happening in the past apparently since robberies of Union Pacific freight cars has gone up by a whopping three hundred and fifty percent UM, and it's apparently pretty easy. Like in downtown Los Angeles, there are some train tracks that are very easily accessed, you know by surface streets, and folks are waiting till the trains are stopped, um, sometimes for long periods of time, and jumping onto the back of them and cutting open the big shipping containers like the kind you'd see stacked you know on massive freight ships, UM and cutting the locks with bolt cutters and having their way with the contents UM. Typically looking for ones that are packed with smaller items like Amazon packages or packages from Target or FedEx or whatever. And what do they do. They go through these packages, find the things that are the easiest to carry and resell and throw everything else onto the tracks. UM. There are several videos you can watch, you know, local Los Angeles reporting on this that show, uh, the aftermath of this, and it's it's insane. It just looks like these train tracks are absolutely buried in garbage, UM, most of which are these types of packages that we're talking about. So I don't know It's hard to correlate directly, but that rise in that period of time wouldn't be surprised if it was in some way pandemic related in terms of just the likelihood that they're going to find something like that, you know, in one of these lines of stopped cars. UM Union Pacific says that they are trying to increase surveillance, UM and security. You know, that's pretty new and developing stories, So I'm wondering what they can Actually they're gonna start having like, you know, people on horseback following the trains, like with you know, with six guns or whatever. Like, I mean, I don't know what the options are here, um, but it is very interesting. Railroad bulls are a real thing. And of course I did the dumb thing by launching in the story because it was so fascinating and not mentioning that it came from wonderful, amazing listener T Dog who wrote in with this email essentially just a link to the story and saying maybe more depressing and shocking rather than strange, but I thought the story belongs with you. And the depressing part, I mean, the littering alone is depressing, especially when you look at it and see. It absolutely is just kind of gross behavior. But some of the packages that are getting discarded because the individual items are apparently not worth the time of these thieves are COVID nineteen tests. There are just, like, you know, hundreds of these getting thrown. That doesn't make sense. I guess maybe because they'd have to bring them in bulk and that's harder to do. Um, But it seems like that's an item that's just being tossed, obviously not getting to people who need them. Yeah, and there's there's a larger context here to the tee dog. I'm sure you're aware of this, but I think maybe we have talked about it off air. I don't know if we've approached this on air, but there is a theft epidemic happening in the West Coast, specifically in San Francisco. It's been called a shoplifters paradise now because thefts under nine and fifty dollars are more or less in practice decriminalized. Like that's why you'll see a lot of places that have just closed entire stores. I think in San Francisco alone, Walgreen's closed twin two stores. And most people aren't stealing just for fun. They're stealing because they feel like they need to do so, you know what I mean. I think that's important to remember. And you made an excellent point, Noel, about the the economic factors that are going in here. I think it was most deaf who said some steal for fun, but more steel to eat, you know. I mean, I'm certainly like I used the word opportunists, and that's certainly a part of it. Um. But I'm sure this is something that's being done so that people can flip some of these products and and eat um. You're right, though, Ben, I didn't mention this, and it's a really good point. One reason for the rise in these types of crimes is the fact that some of these uh penalties have been you know, significantly reduced um for like these types of one off you know crimes um and and folks are essentially just don't really care or there it's worth It's much more worth risking it um, you know, for the potential of like a big payoff. And didn't l A p D also say that they're not going to respond to robbery reports on trains unless the company unless Union Pacific specifically asked them to Union Pacific specifically ask yeah, we got that. Oh that is a mouthful. I'm not quite sure about that, but I just know that because of what you're talking about, the prosecution of misdemeanors has been suspended uh in l A County, which is the very reason that this exploded. So maybe my my COVID theory is off the mark um, but it wouldn't surprise me if there is a combination of the two. Wow, just in reading that CBS Local article that was sent to us, I imagine that the first thing Union Pacific can do is kind of upgrade their lock system, because I mean even CBS Local is saying that the locks are easy to cut, and you know, I'm sure there's ways around that, guys. Just victory. I love that victory of the reporter, uh, you know, talk into a Union Pacific rep in front of like, uh, in front of a cargo container on a train and then say, no, what kind of locks you have here? And then like they reach into their pocket and pull out their lock pick and they just don't ever point out that it's weird for them to have one. Yeah. Well, and another thing to consider too, it's just how this could potentially affect l a county's supply chain. Um, because a lot of stuff is coming into the system through these rail cars. Um. The l A is one of the largest receivers of these types of goods in the entire country. So uh, there could big picture be more to be worried about than just a few people losing their Amazon packages. Um. They estimated, or at least the carrier estimated that the damages from these types of thefts amount of two around five million dollars. But they said that it doesn't include losses to their customers, um in terms of like the customers of the of the rail line um or are uh. They said impact on Union Pacifics operations in the entire Los Angeles County supply chain. Uh and that was reported on in d TV. Yeah. I mean unless you beef up security around specific areas, which then you know, if you're looking to score on the contents of these containers, then you could just move to a different place, right. Uh if you if you bolster security in one area, you could just go to another. Uh. You could also like have security teams attached to these not horseback in six guns. Right. Um. Well, you're right though, I mean the fact that this is an open area that's like easily accessible. But then you gotta wonder, like is it a matter of just traffic, you know, like maybe it's harder for them to change up, you know, where the train stops because of you know, the way the train they have to like change the whole schedule of the way the trains run or something. But that's you're right, there's got to be something, even if it involves overhauling their system, because I guess it's it's easy to forget sometimes how antiquated these rail lines are. You know, it's old infrastructure that still is kind of the best game in talent for this type of shipping. So there's somewhat limited in some ways as to what they can do. And also we should say the quiet part out loud here. Uh. There there is a virtual certainty that there are a lot of individual actors here. But I would argue there's more of a certainty that these are organized These are acts of organized crime, because the opportunity is there, and then you can use you know, the power of numbers. If you look at the videos that have that pop up in the news reporting this, you'll see that it's not a small amount of stuff getting boosted. They are racking hundreds of cars, hundreds of cargo containers. Rather now, it's it's a great point, Bat, I mean, it does feel more like a ring of some kind, you know, with cooperation and good timing and some sort of central leadership rather than just you know, individuals that are just like coming and exploiting this situation. It's a really good point because again, I mean you look at some of the images like on this Indie TV article. I mean that's the it's it's it's from left to right as far as the eye can see in the frame, you know, this trash it just kind of goes on and on. Um. It is an absolute pile. So something to follow. Um. I hope they figure it out. But it's definitely an odd situation. And maybe it's a matter of l A county working with the uh you know, the train line to make these crimes more prosecutable. But then to your point Ben about the you know, the overload in their judicial system, I mean, it could be just not a huge priority for them. Um. And at the end of the day, unless there's a real impact you know, the supply chain and infrastructure, probably something that's just gonna be dealt with in insurance claims. So thank you t Dog for that tip on that story and something. We're gonna keep an eye on the meantime, we're gonna take a break and then we'll be back with more snermail. All right, we are back and we will be jumping to the phone lines. Uh quit. Couple of notes here, guys. Got a message from Michael on the case very recently who asked us to look into the business plot. I saw that. Yes, yes, oh Michael, I I cannot remember if I if I had replied, But let's do it on air just really quickly. You are in for a treat. A spoiler alert. We have a special interview that oh time is funny archive A one. Uh it may be out now, I think, yeah, but we do check it out. We speak in depth with the world's foremost living expert on the business plot, at least the foremost expert who is willing to speak about it publicly. So stay tuned to that. And we have a another secret pride jecked on the way in in a few months that might be of interest to you. But yeah, business plot. The timing on that was uncanny, wasn't it. It was perfect because I think it was just as we were recording the episode is when markin us uh and and just one of the shout out guys, some anonymous so and so let us know about a show called Lex. It was called Lex I Worship His Shadow. I had never heard of it. I ended up watching the pilot episode. One of the strangest nineties sci fi shows I've ever seen. The reason why this anonymous person sent it to us because it has some kind of AI like judicial system within it. But anyway, yeah, Lex with two X is it's just a weird show, probably not worth your time, but a weird little relic to jump into, all right, but we did. We had so many great messages. I want to jump to someone who called in named Yah Yah guys. UM, so my name is Yah Yeah, not actually, but you can call me that. UM. I work in healthcare and UM just been listening to you know, the Havannah episode. UM. The thing that seems to be income and is it like a lot of the symptoms that you described are are kind of like symptoms of neuroinflammation. UM. And it makes me question whether this grouping of people have like, uh, medications that they have to take UM, whether it be vaccines or some sort of like preventative malaria medication something for travel. Like a lot of people within the government and UM, in the intelligence agencies and diplomats and stuff, UM end up getting like extra UM extra vaccines and like malaria medication and stuff that uh, your ordinary citizen wouldn't be taking UM. And it makes me question if maybe there's something going on that they I don't know, maybe there are people that are like not tolerating that. Not to sound like a wild anti VAXX or anything like that, I'm not, I promise, but UM just just curious because again, what what would the groups of people have in come And and again a lot of these symptoms sound very similar to things you would find in somebody who's dealing with UM something affecting their nervous system, obviously the brain specifically. All right, well, thanks for keeping it objective and interesting UM, and for all the entertainment. Thanks by neural neural inflammation. Why didn't we think of that? Right? It didn't jump into my mind at all when we were creating that episode. And Guya makes a great point that when you know when you're traveling abroad, maybe you've experienced this to a certain area where there's a prevalent disease or a prevalent sickness and illness that you just that you or immune system hasn't dealt with because of where you've lived for most of your life, you will have to get extra medications, a certain vaccine or something like that. Um, it only makes sense that diplomats functioning in another another country, let's say, like a Caribbean country like Cuba, may have to get specific other, you know, medications. I can totally see the reasoning there, right, because that is we know that is something that is true. Service members who function in you know, every arm of the military have to get extra vaccines, take extra medications to fight locally specific diseases. UM. It may for me, I don't know what you guys think. It may work for one location. But when you see the symptoms of havana syndrome, you know, affecting people who have been all over the world stationed in different places, it makes me think maybe it's not that, or maybe it's something specific to you know, diplomatic personnel general not not depending on where they're traveling to. So multiple So it could be one of multiple possible causes, So we're not saying it would be the entire thing. I mean, that makes sense to me. Anybody who has traveled in uh governmental or even in geocapacity is well aware of how much stuff you have to get shot up with. But the other, the other point I think that we need to raise here, yahya, is the question of familiarity with medication or dose. Like the people in the State Department are not getting shot up with some kind of bleeding edge experimental drugs. Right, the the possible side effects, the efficacy, all that stuff has been extensively researched. So that would mean if there were a medication that was common that was causing these effects or these symptoms in uh An a sizeable amount of people, then for that not to be reported would would imply a cover up, right, which is exciting. I'm just logically walking through this um. But but it is possible that it could be at least in some cases a cause. Referencing again those controversial studies from and twenty nineteen that did that did appear to find physical alterations to people's to people's brains. Again, you know, there are a bunch of scientists who disagree with those findings, the jury is still sort of outs. I'm just very happy that you are called in with this possibility so that I could even so that we could even like ponder it. Uh. And we're certainly has been you said. We're certainly not saying that this is the cause or the only cause, or any cause for the Havana syndrome symptoms. It's just something to to think about. Um Wow. Well, hey, guys, if you're up, if you're up for I've got another message from somebody about the Havana syndrome episode. Okay, And then here's a message from Gumby. Yes, my name is Gumby. I'm just letting you know that I was listening to your podcast just recently about the the Moscow UH incident stuff. I was a young marine back in four station in Moscow. I knew Clayton lone Tree, the one with the espionage of the sex of secrets. I know him for six months while I was stationed in Moscow. Um. Also during that time, I would always see over my detachment commander's office. He would have a hot dog in the window and underneath there was little note saying I would like it well done, please and I would ask him what before why he had that up there, and he said it was because the microwaves that would come in to listen to us while we were in the embassy's um. And every once in a while I was here, noises, you know, like a hype. It's sound in my hear, you know, in my head, and it would be so severe that it would be a headache and that and I would hear whispering. That's that I was losing my mind. But that's that's basically what happened to us after in Russia. And it was an interesting thing, you know, for a young marine. I was only twenty years old, turned one while I was out there, and it was interesting. Keep up the good work, guys. I enjoy listening to you. Uh. Some of these messages we get, guys, like like this one from Gumby the first person experience of the Moscow signal at the time when it was active, or at least it was believed to be active. Uh No, they did that. I know, I know they can't say. I'm pretty sure, but wow, thank you so much, sir for calling in and telling us that story. The idea of your detachment Commander's hot dog by the window. Hilarious. I love it. I of my hot dogs, medium, rare person um. But but just knowing that you had auditory effects from something that was going on while you were there, Right, you're saying that you heard high pitched noise in your head that would give you a headache. You're having effects of you know, it sounded like you were hearing whispering, which that's got to be an unsettling experience, right, Oh god, Okay, nope, nope, too close to home. Yeah, we put that in there. If you heard some sorceress there, that was us. But yeah, it's I mean, it is startling too, especially if you're talking about tradecraft or surveillance, because even the people who are supposed to be protecting you in your role as a deployed marine may not be at liberty to tell you what's actually happening. Right Uh And that's you know, unfortunately, that's a tale as old as time. You can go back on forth on how necessary that is, how mission critical that kind of secrecy is. But when it gets to the point where people are experiencing unexplained, damaging things happening to their bodies, uh, I feel like that's ethically unsound to deny them that knowledge. And you see that with stories about exposure to depleted uranium. You see that with the long tragic saga of agent Orange. These stories continue today, and sometimes the argument of a greater good or needs no basis don't really hold water, because right now, no matter how rich or poor you are, you get one body that might change, might change later, but for right now, the body you have is the only one you get to keep. So uh so, I I can totally understand being very defensive or feeling left out in the cold, as they used to say, uh by this kind of surveillance stuff, if it has we can talk about the v A two, which I think, uh gumby you would be very certainly will have opinions on as well. Like the v A is has been known for turning down legitimate medical grievances. And if there is not an official cause or official explanation, official attribution for whatever you may be experiencing medical condition or disability, then the v A is quite adept at denying coverage. And I just I don't have words for how unjust that is. Sorry, that's a tangent, but it's an important one. I'd argue it is. I'm going to jump really quickly to something that Gumby mentioned. He said he knows or new maybe Clayton Loan Tree, who was a marine and Soviet double agent. Uh. I believe we mentioned him in that episode. Maybe we didn't. Maybe we like kind of referenced him. Oh, we've referenced him. I think in a previous Listener Male episode where someone called in speaking about that. Yeah, he was. He was mentioned previously when Jim called in with those stories. I don't think we actually said his name though, Clayton Loan Tree. But wow, apparently Gumby knew him. Uh, and he did get released from lock up, I think in Uh. He also later went on he's still alive today Loan Tree, and she went on to be an expert witness in the cases against other people accused of spying for the KGB. I don't want to say anything else. You don't want to make a honey pot statement. Okay, alright to ten rule. Oh Man, Well, thank you again, Gumby, thank you yah ya for sending us those great messages. If you've got you know, experience with anything like this, we want to hear from you. Two. If you're listening to this right now and thinking about calling in, we highly encourage you to do so. No matter what you want to talk about, we want to hear from you. So we're gonna take a quick break and come back with more messages from you. And we've returned, we're going to we're going to go into something um dark but important, and then we're going to try to bring bring the mood up maybe just a little bit, with that possible celebrity appearance we teased earlier, So stick with us. We received an excellent piece of correspondence. We had a lot of correspondence actually with some of our conversation about the juvenile justice system, of our conversation about incarceration, some of our conversation about the foster care system, and there is going to be a full episode of that on the way, but for now, we want to extend a heartfelt thanks to one of our fellow conspiracy realists, who, due to the nature of the information they've conveyed, must main anonymous. UH. And as always, you have a story you want to share that your fellow listeners need to know, and you're feeling a little squirrelly about it. Uh, we do try our best to protect anonymity, and if you're not comfortable reached out with a show thing, you can reach out to me personally. We we always shout out our social media. Here we go. This email from anonymous starts by naming the various positions this individual is occupied in the justice system. And this email is little in depth, so we're gonna stop at different parts and talk it over, explore it with each other. So it starts this way. Officer, probation Officer, diversion officer, pre trial release officer, community corrections, case manager for sex offenders, Certified bond Commissioner, Investigator of child abuse and fatality, social worker, placement EVALUAID which means assessing the rehabilitation needs of juveniles facing incarceration, et cetera. That's the cold open of this correspondence. Are anonymous sources in these roles. I have been a trainers, supervisor, and expert witness. I have attended and presented a many national conferences. I'm also a data nerd who provides input and feedback to a statewide child abuse research team in cooperation with just gonna redact that. Uh, please don't assume that my roles and affiliations make me pro cop or biased. I will be the first to say that the criminal justice and child protection systems are deeply flawed. I only remain in these fields because change of major systems must happen from within. Now that is that is a valid point. It's also an argument that just candidly not everyone's going to agree with. And our anonymous source gives us the following here is what they don't want you to know. Number One, we criminal justice and child protection have many scientifically validated tools that accurately predict elevated risk of criminal recidivism, child abuse, substance dependency, truancy, etcetera. Recidivism is the likelihood to commit more crimes after you've committed a couple in the past. So this source has verified that predictive analytics, which we talked about in the past, is being implemented in multiple jurisdictions to direct practices and services. Anonymous, you have provided us a fascinating link to a nonprofit a ECF dot org, which talks about using data analytics to quote work for children and families. This is also, by the way, very much response to our AI Prosecutor episode from earlier and shout out to all the legal vehicles in Germany touch based with us on that. Thank you. Uh So, this person is saying that predictive analytics is both validated and accurate, but is still seen as a tool of bias and discrimination. And then here's the juice. That's why I tune into the show, folks. This fellow listener gave us data points that a lot of the public doesn't know what failing the first grade and not any other grade is a validated indicator of sex offender recidivism. This was taken out of assessment tools because it's not politically correct. Isn't that crazy? That doesn't make sense to me? And that's from the nineteen nineties. It's saying mm hmm that that the assessment I guess the and some of these outdated markers have like stuck around for too long. Wait wait, hold on, hold on. So that's saying that for some reason, whatever leaps are supposed to happen cognitively during the first grade, if you kind of if you can't get past some of those things or or you know, get your mind wrapped around some of those things at that age, then you are more likely to commit another crime. After the first crime you've committed, especially a crime that we have your category rized as a sex offender. That's the specificity there is is very strange to me. Also, just candidly, I feel like, glad it's only the first grade because your boy here took kindergarten twice lack of social skills true story. So I don't know what it is about specifically about first grade and and be interested. I think we all be interested to hear um everybody else's reaction to that. This keeps going. This second one makes a little more sense. The zip code of your residency at birth and proximity to a liquor store increases the likelihood that you will commit a crime of violence. This study originated out of Houston, but was confirmed via national analysis, so they extrapolated, right, I mean that makes sense to me. You don't see a ton of package stores in the really really nice neighborhoods, and insurance agencies, all insurance companies, excuse me, already use zip coe information to determine, you know, like the likelihood of vandalism to your car or an accident or something like that. You know. Um, it does seem kind of cold though, because Yeah, it puts people in a box. You know what I mean, all of these do? I mean that one is still being used. Uh, it's apparently, Yeah, a data point that people are using, which is unfair because not everybody can afford to live in the best ZIP code for their child. You know what I mean. You were saying the one about first grade though, was removed, right, Uh it was. Yeah, it was taken out because it was too there's too much of a of a hot button issue. And it does feel like it it does, you know, without us seeing the methodology. Um, you know, like like we pointed out that was a tool used in the nineties, but without us seeing the methodology, that feels almost like pre crime, you know, sure. I mean, so does the package store one. And a little problematic beyond that if you pair it with the you know what you mentioned about the types of neighborhoods that it seems to be targeting. Um, it's very interesting. I mean, so your anonymous emailer has insight access to these uh methods that normal people wouldn't have. That's right, right, Yeah, that's correct. This person is speaking from firsthand experience in the multiple positions that they have occupied over the years. Uh, and they're trying to fight the good fight. There are um, there are a couple of other things. And then one last important point this anonymous fellow conspiracy realist has made. The next one is uh. Next one is also kind of weird quote. The number of long term friends you have is an accurate predictor of criminal recidivism and probation compliance. I'm not sure how to interpret that. This is apparently implemented in a criminal justice tool called the l s I. But if it says what I think it says in correct us if we're off base here, Anonymous, it sounds like they're saying having a sense of community makes you less likely to commit more crimes? Is that what they're saying? Because it could be read the other way as well, Right, Yeah, I was wondering the same thing. I don't know. It seems like the kind of thing you hear people say about, you know, serial killers when they find them, like, oh, they were always a loner and then then kept themselves and all that. But again, that's almost like become a cliche, um, and to use that in advance as a determining factor of whether or not someone's likely to commit crimes seems a little tricky. Some people are just you know, not super social. Yeah. And then there's another one that's not in the US. This is in New Zealand. Uh. New Zealand is able to assess children at the age of five and at that tender each the system is able to predict who admits these kids will grow up to be a financial burden to the criminal, welfare and medical systems. And this apparently is done by UH figuring out and quantifying the number of adverse experiences the kid was exposed to by that point, which is frightening but logical. Unless this sounds cold, you know, these aren't. This isn't as though there's some Orwellian plan to like pre ruined children's lives. They're trying to make a more efficient system. They're trying to lessen the burden on the system. Now, um, but this is this is a lot of food for disturbing thought. Anonymous goes on to say something that I think, unfortunately speak to a lot of our fellow listeners. Quote. They say ignorance is bliss, But what they don't say is insight is a burden. When one's mind is full of validated, predictive analytics and tens of thousands of hours of interviews and assessments. One can read people too well. Cold reading, I thought you'd appreciate this man is a party trick used by hustlers and con men for fun and entertainment. Profiling is a trained step above cold reading. Then there are those of us who can meet a child and see that child's past trauma and future hurdles. We are cursed. I welcome a computer telling me who and what needs attention, because that computer can be turned off at the end of the shift. Unlike my knowledge and insight, it's always on, it's always lingering, it's always telling me more than I want to know about that, for instance, young Sandy blonde lady at safeweight. Uh. And then the letter concludes. But I thought this would be I mean, this is going to be controversial, right for for a lot of people. The idea we have people in in the audience with us today who have children in first grade, you know what I mean. Yeah, Yeah, that is a tough thing to think about. I know that that exists just from interactions I've had making some past shows with people who work in this kind kind of field, the field of psychology and assessment and just how how much of a toll that takes on you, um, not only with assessing people, but you know, in many ways internalizing other people's stuff that they're dealing with. Right. Um, My heart goes out to you, anonymous person who sent this to us, because that follow this stuff. I mean, I'm assuming all of these data points are real and correct, and you've backed them up, many of them and I looked in the source and it's legit. Yeah, And that's tough. Yeah. It's something that we didn't talk about in the AI prosecution episode because we we didn't talk about the enormously dangerous mental and emotional burden that has put upon people who have to fight the darkness in this way, you know what I mean, It can destroy people. And I believe that's why in many aspect to law enforcement, especially like specific types of child abuse. UH, in many parts of the law enforcement world, individuals are cycled out on a rotating basis because it's too heavy for one person. But thank you so much for this, Thank you so much for this information. For everybody out there who's fighting to protect kids and make the world a better place, thank you as well. And if you have experience with this. If you have other data points that you want to share, we would love to hear from you. Uh, we don't want to end on such a heavy note. Uh. So we have one correction just came in. Now we'll keep this person anonymous as well. Uh. They wanted to point out that vending machines that sell underwear is a specifically weird Japanese thing, and it's very true. It's not all of and we knew that. Yeah. I think that was in relation to the farts in jar story. Uh. And I maybe tried to um cast two wide a net. They're absolutely scifically a Japanese thing. I think we maybe even did a pick up on that one in the night. We've kind of made it stupider. No, we knew, we very much. Uh, We're very much aware. And it is never our Uh. Then this ties into the idea of predictive analytics. It is never our aim to generalize. And I want to I want to shout out this anonymous person because you wrote such a great comparison. At the very end of your letter, you said it's like say Europeans eat horses, when maybe just some French people do so so so points and thank you and we hear you. Um this we're just doing on the fly because it came in. It's an important point. But we did say we wanted to end on an up note. Your pals over here. Stuff they don't want you to know might be coming up in the world, folks. Uh, we have Matt. I'm gonna be honest with you. I haven't listened to this yet, but we have what Matt tells us maybe a celebrity appearance in our voicemail. Oh well, yes, it most definitely is. Uh and you'll you'll find out why here we go. Now, you know you guys want me to say it. I mean, who else is gonna do it? Oh? My crown. There's only there's only one way to say that word, okay, and it's on the crown. Because you know, whenever you think about the word I'm a crown, you and crown, all you think about is transformers come on them. They suck a cons on dots. That's what that's what you think about. And you know I heard you talking the other day and I said to myself, I gotta leave a missed for him. You played on the ear, gonna play it here? I don't care. It's for you guys. Enjoy it. Oh my crown, it's here. But is it gonna do anything? I don't know what do you guys think? Personally? I just another saying. Ain't nobody dying from it? But whatever? What's that? Well? You want to say something? Oh? Hold on, my name is Optimus Prime, leader of the Auto box from the planet cliper trod. Oh, the beautiful planet cliper Ron. I remember it well. We used to transform and roll out all the time. Anyway, I'm just sitting here and I thought, you know what, oh my crown, not to be confused with Crown. Sorry, I couldn't help myself. Have a nice stay, gents the whole days. Merry Christmas, enjoy your winter, wol of day, whatever you want to call it. Do you think? Keep up the great work. I love the podcast. Don't stop ever, choose I would be the saying. Good point? Is that his real voice? We'll never know? Yeah, this is a man of many voices. Who is this person? I thought, Okay, peep behind the curtain here vols uh. When I was talking this up for the entirety of this week's listening to mails, something, I thought we were going to George Lopez. Who we are? We are? I'm so sorry I had to take us down that just quickly. Which accent is the guy's real accent? I don't, I don't want to know. Maybe he is. He is a robot in disguise. It does give me an idea though. Maybe the next variant will be called Decepticon, and then the Omicron variant can fight the Decepticon variant and save the planet. Wow. Wow, Well let's go to George Lopez for more. Hi, my name is George Lopez, future President of the United States of America. Yes, the comedian. I'm just coining because you guys remember touch the topic clearly digging deep into the Montauk Project. There's a lot of history on Long Island about it. Government has hidden it was before Air Force Space would be a good episode. Thank you, and I love the show, been here in for years. I did that? Is him? Really? I don't know? Did you call him back? Is it an idea? I did? And the mailbox was full. Was in an l A number. And he's a busy guy. I mean, he's got an amazing podcast. I don't know if you guys have heard omg, oh, what is it. Yeah, yeah, it is. It's great. Uh, it's on the O MG High, that's it. And and also you know, uh, if this is not the George Lopez with the podcast to MG High, well then you are our famous George Lopez. Uh on car stuff. For years, there was this awesome caller who I'm still personal friends with named Glenn Beck. And uh and Glenn, we still Scott Knight kept our word man. We still never had any name jokes. We just refer to you as the Glenn Beck. You're the you're the one in our book man. Hell well, you know. And and if if this is not the George Lopez of stand up comedy and podcast and tell visual fame, then I hope this George Lopez's stand up career is going well. Yeah, I mean too, He's going to be the next president of the the United States, So I mean that somes going well. I like and you know, it's definitely not a job I want. I don't know about you guys, but uh yeah, no, thank you fakes. But with that, we are going to call it a day. We will be back tomorrow with more stuff. They don't want you to know. In the meantime, we want to thank anonymous. We want to thank George Lopez. We want to thank oh mcgroan. We want to thank yah yah te dog Gumby and everybody who's tuned in. If you want to be part of the show, we'd love to have you. We try to be easy to find online, boy do we ever. You can find us on Twitter, you can find us on YouTube. You can find us on Facebook with the handle Conspiracy Stuff. You can also find our Facebook group Here's where it gets crazy. Um. If you would like to find us elsewhere, you can use the handle at Conspiracy Stuff show, which we are on Instagram and those things doing for you. There are more analog ways to get in touch with us. That's right, use your mouth in your phone will be waiting by ours. I like it. I just like company. I don't know, is that what it is? It reminds me of sitcoms. I was thinking about this. Um, I was over because I just fritter time away on Twitter. I was on Twitter and it just hit me, Um, whatever happened to all the bonkers sitcom premises of Yesteryear? Like I missed that stuff? When when someone the writer's room was like, you know what, No, they meet an alien he's friendly, but he's always just about to kill and eat their cat. Or they're like, oh this guy married a jinn. My dead mom possessed my car, Like how did that? Like it was so in depth that they had to explain the set up in the theme song, right the best. I think we're due for, like a second, I think we're due for a renaissance of that kind of television. Maybe it'll be us well maybe, Well then I look forward to next Twitter Fritter. Uh that that was one of my favorite phrases so we've had thus far. But hey, if you do want to call us, our number is one eight three three s t d w y t K. When you call in, give yourself a cool nickname, and we just don't want to say your real name on air. If if that's okay, we'd love to know if we can use your voice and message on one of these episodes, and you've got three minutes. 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From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my name is Noel. They called a Ben. We are joined as always with our super producer Alexis code name dot Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you are you. You are here, and that makes this the stuff they don't want you to know. It is Thursday. If you're hearing this in linear time, if you practice linear time and you're listening to this on the day it comes out, and that means it is time for our listener male segment. I want to start out today by giving a no holds barred shout out to our very own Matt Fred for going scorched earth on those voicemails. We are, we are on top of it, and we are digging up some fantastic, interesting, hilarious, disturbing stuff. Spoiler. We may have a celebrity appearance at the end of today's show. That will be up to you to decide. But for now, we are learning about crime. We're learning about heist we're learning about mysterious signals in Moscow, which should be familiar to anybody who heard our recent episodes. And then we're also going to take a deep dive into the world of criminal justice and child protection, into the bleeding edge of predictive analytics. But first, I think it's fair to say all of us were very excited when we received a correspondence about something that's very near and dear to our hearts. Heist, good old fashioned robberies, almost like something out of the Wild West. And I don't want to be too glib about it, because this is a serious thing. It is almost out of the Wild West, but more like the the western world of today and the times of covid Um. Amazon and any kind of online shopping is obviously exploded, making some very rich people even richer. Um. Well, other other people have maybe not fared quite so well um during this uh, this pandemic. Um. But I don't know if I'm kind of just editorializing here, but it would seem that this explosion in shipping has led to some opportunists kind of finding their way into the picture and robbing train cars, much more so than have been happening in the past apparently since robberies of Union Pacific freight cars has gone up by a whopping three hundred and fifty percent UM, and it's apparently pretty easy. Like in downtown Los Angeles, there are some train tracks that are very easily accessed, you know by surface streets, and folks are waiting till the trains are stopped, um, sometimes for long periods of time, and jumping onto the back of them and cutting open the big shipping containers like the kind you'd see stacked you know on massive freight ships, UM and cutting the locks with bolt cutters and having their way with the contents UM. Typically looking for ones that are packed with smaller items like Amazon packages or packages from Target or FedEx or whatever. And what do they do. They go through these packages, find the things that are the easiest to carry and resell and throw everything else onto the tracks. UM. There are several videos you can watch, you know, local Los Angeles reporting on this that show, uh, the aftermath of this, and it's it's insane. It just looks like these train tracks are absolutely buried in garbage, UM, most of which are these types of packages that we're talking about. So I don't know It's hard to correlate directly, but that rise in that period of time wouldn't be surprised if it was in some way pandemic related in terms of just the likelihood that they're going to find something like that, you know, in one of these lines of stopped cars. UM Union Pacific says that they are trying to increase surveillance, UM and security. You know, that's pretty new and developing stories, So I'm wondering what they can Actually they're gonna start having like, you know, people on horseback following the trains, like with you know, with six guns or whatever. Like, I mean, I don't know what the options are here, um, but it is very interesting. Railroad bulls are a real thing. And of course I did the dumb thing by launching in the story because it was so fascinating and not mentioning that it came from wonderful, amazing listener T Dog who wrote in with this email essentially just a link to the story and saying maybe more depressing and shocking rather than strange, but I thought the story belongs with you. And the depressing part, I mean, the littering alone is depressing, especially when you look at it and see. It absolutely is just kind of gross behavior. But some of the packages that are getting discarded because the individual items are apparently not worth the time of these thieves are COVID nineteen tests. There are just, like, you know, hundreds of these getting thrown. That doesn't make sense. I guess maybe because they'd have to bring them in bulk and that's harder to do. Um, But it seems like that's an item that's just being tossed, obviously not getting to people who need them. Yeah, and there's there's a larger context here to the tee dog. I'm sure you're aware of this, but I think maybe we have talked about it off air. I don't know if we've approached this on air, but there is a theft epidemic happening in the West Coast, specifically in San Francisco. It's been called a shoplifters paradise now because thefts under nine and fifty dollars are more or less in practice decriminalized. Like that's why you'll see a lot of places that have just closed entire stores. I think in San Francisco alone, Walgreen's closed twin two stores. And most people aren't stealing just for fun. They're stealing because they feel like they need to do so, you know what I mean. I think that's important to remember. And you made an excellent point, Noel, about the the economic factors that are going in here. I think it was most deaf who said some steal for fun, but more steel to eat, you know. I mean, I'm certainly like I used the word opportunists, and that's certainly a part of it. Um. But I'm sure this is something that's being done so that people can flip some of these products and and eat um. You're right, though, Ben, I didn't mention this, and it's a really good point. One reason for the rise in these types of crimes is the fact that some of these uh penalties have been you know, significantly reduced um for like these types of one off you know crimes um and and folks are essentially just don't really care or there it's worth It's much more worth risking it um, you know, for the potential of like a big payoff. And didn't l A p D also say that they're not going to respond to robbery reports on trains unless the company unless Union Pacific specifically asked them to Union Pacific specifically ask yeah, we got that. Oh that is a mouthful. I'm not quite sure about that, but I just know that because of what you're talking about, the prosecution of misdemeanors has been suspended uh in l A County, which is the very reason that this exploded. So maybe my my COVID theory is off the mark um, but it wouldn't surprise me if there is a combination of the two. Wow, just in reading that CBS Local article that was sent to us, I imagine that the first thing Union Pacific can do is kind of upgrade their lock system, because I mean even CBS Local is saying that the locks are easy to cut, and you know, I'm sure there's ways around that, guys. Just victory. I love that victory of the reporter, uh, you know, talk into a Union Pacific rep in front of like, uh, in front of a cargo container on a train and then say, no, what kind of locks you have here? And then like they reach into their pocket and pull out their lock pick and they just don't ever point out that it's weird for them to have one. Yeah. Well, and another thing to consider too, it's just how this could potentially affect l a county's supply chain. Um, because a lot of stuff is coming into the system through these rail cars. Um. The l A is one of the largest receivers of these types of goods in the entire country. So uh, there could big picture be more to be worried about than just a few people losing their Amazon packages. Um. They estimated, or at least the carrier estimated that the damages from these types of thefts amount of two around five million dollars. But they said that it doesn't include losses to their customers, um in terms of like the customers of the of the rail line um or are uh. They said impact on Union Pacifics operations in the entire Los Angeles County supply chain. Uh and that was reported on in d TV. Yeah. I mean unless you beef up security around specific areas, which then you know, if you're looking to score on the contents of these containers, then you could just move to a different place, right. Uh if you if you bolster security in one area, you could just go to another. Uh. You could also like have security teams attached to these not horseback in six guns. Right. Um. Well, you're right though, I mean the fact that this is an open area that's like easily accessible. But then you gotta wonder, like is it a matter of just traffic, you know, like maybe it's harder for them to change up, you know, where the train stops because of you know, the way the train they have to like change the whole schedule of the way the trains run or something. But that's you're right, there's got to be something, even if it involves overhauling their system, because I guess it's it's easy to forget sometimes how antiquated these rail lines are. You know, it's old infrastructure that still is kind of the best game in talent for this type of shipping. So there's somewhat limited in some ways as to what they can do. And also we should say the quiet part out loud here. Uh. There there is a virtual certainty that there are a lot of individual actors here. But I would argue there's more of a certainty that these are organized These are acts of organized crime, because the opportunity is there, and then you can use you know, the power of numbers. If you look at the videos that have that pop up in the news reporting this, you'll see that it's not a small amount of stuff getting boosted. They are racking hundreds of cars, hundreds of cargo containers. Rather now, it's it's a great point, Bat, I mean, it does feel more like a ring of some kind, you know, with cooperation and good timing and some sort of central leadership rather than just you know, individuals that are just like coming and exploiting this situation. It's a really good point because again, I mean you look at some of the images like on this Indie TV article. I mean that's the it's it's it's from left to right as far as the eye can see in the frame, you know, this trash it just kind of goes on and on. Um. It is an absolute pile. So something to follow. Um. I hope they figure it out. But it's definitely an odd situation. And maybe it's a matter of l A county working with the uh you know, the train line to make these crimes more prosecutable. But then to your point Ben about the you know, the overload in their judicial system, I mean, it could be just not a huge priority for them. Um. And at the end of the day, unless there's a real impact you know, the supply chain and infrastructure, probably something that's just gonna be dealt with in insurance claims. So thank you t Dog for that tip on that story and something. We're gonna keep an eye on the meantime, we're gonna take a break and then we'll be back with more snermail. All right, we are back and we will be jumping to the phone lines. Uh quit. Couple of notes here, guys. Got a message from Michael on the case very recently who asked us to look into the business plot. I saw that. Yes, yes, oh Michael, I I cannot remember if I if I had replied, But let's do it on air just really quickly. You are in for a treat. A spoiler alert. We have a special interview that oh time is funny archive A one. Uh it may be out now, I think, yeah, but we do check it out. We speak in depth with the world's foremost living expert on the business plot, at least the foremost expert who is willing to speak about it publicly. So stay tuned to that. And we have a another secret pride jecked on the way in in a few months that might be of interest to you. But yeah, business plot. The timing on that was uncanny, wasn't it. It was perfect because I think it was just as we were recording the episode is when markin us uh and and just one of the shout out guys, some anonymous so and so let us know about a show called Lex. It was called Lex I Worship His Shadow. I had never heard of it. I ended up watching the pilot episode. One of the strangest nineties sci fi shows I've ever seen. The reason why this anonymous person sent it to us because it has some kind of AI like judicial system within it. But anyway, yeah, Lex with two X is it's just a weird show, probably not worth your time, but a weird little relic to jump into, all right, but we did. We had so many great messages. I want to jump to someone who called in named Yah Yah guys. UM, so my name is Yah Yeah, not actually, but you can call me that. UM. I work in healthcare and UM just been listening to you know, the Havannah episode. UM. The thing that seems to be income and is it like a lot of the symptoms that you described are are kind of like symptoms of neuroinflammation. UM. And it makes me question whether this grouping of people have like, uh, medications that they have to take UM, whether it be vaccines or some sort of like preventative malaria medication something for travel. Like a lot of people within the government and UM, in the intelligence agencies and diplomats and stuff, UM end up getting like extra UM extra vaccines and like malaria medication and stuff that uh, your ordinary citizen wouldn't be taking UM. And it makes me question if maybe there's something going on that they I don't know, maybe there are people that are like not tolerating that. Not to sound like a wild anti VAXX or anything like that, I'm not, I promise, but UM just just curious because again, what what would the groups of people have in come And and again a lot of these symptoms sound very similar to things you would find in somebody who's dealing with UM something affecting their nervous system, obviously the brain specifically. All right, well, thanks for keeping it objective and interesting UM, and for all the entertainment. Thanks by neural neural inflammation. Why didn't we think of that? Right? It didn't jump into my mind at all when we were creating that episode. And Guya makes a great point that when you know when you're traveling abroad, maybe you've experienced this to a certain area where there's a prevalent disease or a prevalent sickness and illness that you just that you or immune system hasn't dealt with because of where you've lived for most of your life, you will have to get extra medications, a certain vaccine or something like that. Um, it only makes sense that diplomats functioning in another another country, let's say, like a Caribbean country like Cuba, may have to get specific other, you know, medications. I can totally see the reasoning there, right, because that is we know that is something that is true. Service members who function in you know, every arm of the military have to get extra vaccines, take extra medications to fight locally specific diseases. UM. It may for me, I don't know what you guys think. It may work for one location. But when you see the symptoms of havana syndrome, you know, affecting people who have been all over the world stationed in different places, it makes me think maybe it's not that, or maybe it's something specific to you know, diplomatic personnel general not not depending on where they're traveling to. So multiple So it could be one of multiple possible causes, So we're not saying it would be the entire thing. I mean, that makes sense to me. Anybody who has traveled in uh governmental or even in geocapacity is well aware of how much stuff you have to get shot up with. But the other, the other point I think that we need to raise here, yahya, is the question of familiarity with medication or dose. Like the people in the State Department are not getting shot up with some kind of bleeding edge experimental drugs. Right, the the possible side effects, the efficacy, all that stuff has been extensively researched. So that would mean if there were a medication that was common that was causing these effects or these symptoms in uh An a sizeable amount of people, then for that not to be reported would would imply a cover up, right, which is exciting. I'm just logically walking through this um. But but it is possible that it could be at least in some cases a cause. Referencing again those controversial studies from and twenty nineteen that did that did appear to find physical alterations to people's to people's brains. Again, you know, there are a bunch of scientists who disagree with those findings, the jury is still sort of outs. I'm just very happy that you are called in with this possibility so that I could even so that we could even like ponder it. Uh. And we're certainly has been you said. We're certainly not saying that this is the cause or the only cause, or any cause for the Havana syndrome symptoms. It's just something to to think about. Um Wow. Well, hey, guys, if you're up, if you're up for I've got another message from somebody about the Havana syndrome episode. Okay, And then here's a message from Gumby. Yes, my name is Gumby. I'm just letting you know that I was listening to your podcast just recently about the the Moscow UH incident stuff. I was a young marine back in four station in Moscow. I knew Clayton lone Tree, the one with the espionage of the sex of secrets. I know him for six months while I was stationed in Moscow. Um. Also during that time, I would always see over my detachment commander's office. He would have a hot dog in the window and underneath there was little note saying I would like it well done, please and I would ask him what before why he had that up there, and he said it was because the microwaves that would come in to listen to us while we were in the embassy's um. And every once in a while I was here, noises, you know, like a hype. It's sound in my hear, you know, in my head, and it would be so severe that it would be a headache and that and I would hear whispering. That's that I was losing my mind. But that's that's basically what happened to us after in Russia. And it was an interesting thing, you know, for a young marine. I was only twenty years old, turned one while I was out there, and it was interesting. Keep up the good work, guys. I enjoy listening to you. Uh. Some of these messages we get, guys, like like this one from Gumby the first person experience of the Moscow signal at the time when it was active, or at least it was believed to be active. Uh No, they did that. I know, I know they can't say. I'm pretty sure, but wow, thank you so much, sir for calling in and telling us that story. The idea of your detachment Commander's hot dog by the window. Hilarious. I love it. I of my hot dogs, medium, rare person um. But but just knowing that you had auditory effects from something that was going on while you were there, Right, you're saying that you heard high pitched noise in your head that would give you a headache. You're having effects of you know, it sounded like you were hearing whispering, which that's got to be an unsettling experience, right, Oh god, Okay, nope, nope, too close to home. Yeah, we put that in there. If you heard some sorceress there, that was us. But yeah, it's I mean, it is startling too, especially if you're talking about tradecraft or surveillance, because even the people who are supposed to be protecting you in your role as a deployed marine may not be at liberty to tell you what's actually happening. Right Uh And that's you know, unfortunately, that's a tale as old as time. You can go back on forth on how necessary that is, how mission critical that kind of secrecy is. But when it gets to the point where people are experiencing unexplained, damaging things happening to their bodies, uh, I feel like that's ethically unsound to deny them that knowledge. And you see that with stories about exposure to depleted uranium. You see that with the long tragic saga of agent Orange. These stories continue today, and sometimes the argument of a greater good or needs no basis don't really hold water, because right now, no matter how rich or poor you are, you get one body that might change, might change later, but for right now, the body you have is the only one you get to keep. So uh so, I I can totally understand being very defensive or feeling left out in the cold, as they used to say, uh by this kind of surveillance stuff, if it has we can talk about the v A two, which I think, uh gumby you would be very certainly will have opinions on as well. Like the v A is has been known for turning down legitimate medical grievances. And if there is not an official cause or official explanation, official attribution for whatever you may be experiencing medical condition or disability, then the v A is quite adept at denying coverage. And I just I don't have words for how unjust that is. Sorry, that's a tangent, but it's an important one. I'd argue it is. I'm going to jump really quickly to something that Gumby mentioned. He said he knows or new maybe Clayton Loan Tree, who was a marine and Soviet double agent. Uh. I believe we mentioned him in that episode. Maybe we didn't. Maybe we like kind of referenced him. Oh, we've referenced him. I think in a previous Listener Male episode where someone called in speaking about that. Yeah, he was. He was mentioned previously when Jim called in with those stories. I don't think we actually said his name though, Clayton Loan Tree. But wow, apparently Gumby knew him. Uh, and he did get released from lock up, I think in Uh. He also later went on he's still alive today Loan Tree, and she went on to be an expert witness in the cases against other people accused of spying for the KGB. I don't want to say anything else. You don't want to make a honey pot statement. Okay, alright to ten rule. Oh Man, Well, thank you again, Gumby, thank you yah ya for sending us those great messages. If you've got you know, experience with anything like this, we want to hear from you. Two. If you're listening to this right now and thinking about calling in, we highly encourage you to do so. No matter what you want to talk about, we want to hear from you. So we're gonna take a quick break and come back with more messages from you. And we've returned, we're going to we're going to go into something um dark but important, and then we're going to try to bring bring the mood up maybe just a little bit, with that possible celebrity appearance we teased earlier, So stick with us. We received an excellent piece of correspondence. We had a lot of correspondence actually with some of our conversation about the juvenile justice system, of our conversation about incarceration, some of our conversation about the foster care system, and there is going to be a full episode of that on the way, but for now, we want to extend a heartfelt thanks to one of our fellow conspiracy realists, who, due to the nature of the information they've conveyed, must main anonymous. UH. And as always, you have a story you want to share that your fellow listeners need to know, and you're feeling a little squirrelly about it. Uh, we do try our best to protect anonymity, and if you're not comfortable reached out with a show thing, you can reach out to me personally. We we always shout out our social media. Here we go. This email from anonymous starts by naming the various positions this individual is occupied in the justice system. And this email is little in depth, so we're gonna stop at different parts and talk it over, explore it with each other. So it starts this way. Officer, probation Officer, diversion officer, pre trial release officer, community corrections, case manager for sex offenders, Certified bond Commissioner, Investigator of child abuse and fatality, social worker, placement EVALUAID which means assessing the rehabilitation needs of juveniles facing incarceration, et cetera. That's the cold open of this correspondence. Are anonymous sources in these roles. I have been a trainers, supervisor, and expert witness. I have attended and presented a many national conferences. I'm also a data nerd who provides input and feedback to a statewide child abuse research team in cooperation with just gonna redact that. Uh, please don't assume that my roles and affiliations make me pro cop or biased. I will be the first to say that the criminal justice and child protection systems are deeply flawed. I only remain in these fields because change of major systems must happen from within. Now that is that is a valid point. It's also an argument that just candidly not everyone's going to agree with. And our anonymous source gives us the following here is what they don't want you to know. Number One, we criminal justice and child protection have many scientifically validated tools that accurately predict elevated risk of criminal recidivism, child abuse, substance dependency, truancy, etcetera. Recidivism is the likelihood to commit more crimes after you've committed a couple in the past. So this source has verified that predictive analytics, which we talked about in the past, is being implemented in multiple jurisdictions to direct practices and services. Anonymous, you have provided us a fascinating link to a nonprofit a ECF dot org, which talks about using data analytics to quote work for children and families. This is also, by the way, very much response to our AI Prosecutor episode from earlier and shout out to all the legal vehicles in Germany touch based with us on that. Thank you. Uh So, this person is saying that predictive analytics is both validated and accurate, but is still seen as a tool of bias and discrimination. And then here's the juice. That's why I tune into the show, folks. This fellow listener gave us data points that a lot of the public doesn't know what failing the first grade and not any other grade is a validated indicator of sex offender recidivism. This was taken out of assessment tools because it's not politically correct. Isn't that crazy? That doesn't make sense to me? And that's from the nineteen nineties. It's saying mm hmm that that the assessment I guess the and some of these outdated markers have like stuck around for too long. Wait wait, hold on, hold on. So that's saying that for some reason, whatever leaps are supposed to happen cognitively during the first grade, if you kind of if you can't get past some of those things or or you know, get your mind wrapped around some of those things at that age, then you are more likely to commit another crime. After the first crime you've committed, especially a crime that we have your category rized as a sex offender. That's the specificity there is is very strange to me. Also, just candidly, I feel like, glad it's only the first grade because your boy here took kindergarten twice lack of social skills true story. So I don't know what it is about specifically about first grade and and be interested. I think we all be interested to hear um everybody else's reaction to that. This keeps going. This second one makes a little more sense. The zip code of your residency at birth and proximity to a liquor store increases the likelihood that you will commit a crime of violence. This study originated out of Houston, but was confirmed via national analysis, so they extrapolated, right, I mean that makes sense to me. You don't see a ton of package stores in the really really nice neighborhoods, and insurance agencies, all insurance companies, excuse me, already use zip coe information to determine, you know, like the likelihood of vandalism to your car or an accident or something like that. You know. Um, it does seem kind of cold though, because Yeah, it puts people in a box. You know what I mean, all of these do? I mean that one is still being used. Uh, it's apparently, Yeah, a data point that people are using, which is unfair because not everybody can afford to live in the best ZIP code for their child. You know what I mean. You were saying the one about first grade though, was removed, right, Uh it was. Yeah, it was taken out because it was too there's too much of a of a hot button issue. And it does feel like it it does, you know, without us seeing the methodology. Um, you know, like like we pointed out that was a tool used in the nineties, but without us seeing the methodology, that feels almost like pre crime, you know, sure. I mean, so does the package store one. And a little problematic beyond that if you pair it with the you know what you mentioned about the types of neighborhoods that it seems to be targeting. Um, it's very interesting. I mean, so your anonymous emailer has insight access to these uh methods that normal people wouldn't have. That's right, right, Yeah, that's correct. This person is speaking from firsthand experience in the multiple positions that they have occupied over the years. Uh, and they're trying to fight the good fight. There are um, there are a couple of other things. And then one last important point this anonymous fellow conspiracy realist has made. The next one is uh. Next one is also kind of weird quote. The number of long term friends you have is an accurate predictor of criminal recidivism and probation compliance. I'm not sure how to interpret that. This is apparently implemented in a criminal justice tool called the l s I. But if it says what I think it says in correct us if we're off base here, Anonymous, it sounds like they're saying having a sense of community makes you less likely to commit more crimes? Is that what they're saying? Because it could be read the other way as well, Right, Yeah, I was wondering the same thing. I don't know. It seems like the kind of thing you hear people say about, you know, serial killers when they find them, like, oh, they were always a loner and then then kept themselves and all that. But again, that's almost like become a cliche, um, and to use that in advance as a determining factor of whether or not someone's likely to commit crimes seems a little tricky. Some people are just you know, not super social. Yeah. And then there's another one that's not in the US. This is in New Zealand. Uh. New Zealand is able to assess children at the age of five and at that tender each the system is able to predict who admits these kids will grow up to be a financial burden to the criminal, welfare and medical systems. And this apparently is done by UH figuring out and quantifying the number of adverse experiences the kid was exposed to by that point, which is frightening but logical. Unless this sounds cold, you know, these aren't. This isn't as though there's some Orwellian plan to like pre ruined children's lives. They're trying to make a more efficient system. They're trying to lessen the burden on the system. Now, um, but this is this is a lot of food for disturbing thought. Anonymous goes on to say something that I think, unfortunately speak to a lot of our fellow listeners. Quote. They say ignorance is bliss, But what they don't say is insight is a burden. When one's mind is full of validated, predictive analytics and tens of thousands of hours of interviews and assessments. One can read people too well. Cold reading, I thought you'd appreciate this man is a party trick used by hustlers and con men for fun and entertainment. Profiling is a trained step above cold reading. Then there are those of us who can meet a child and see that child's past trauma and future hurdles. We are cursed. I welcome a computer telling me who and what needs attention, because that computer can be turned off at the end of the shift. Unlike my knowledge and insight, it's always on, it's always lingering, it's always telling me more than I want to know about that, for instance, young Sandy blonde lady at safeweight. Uh. And then the letter concludes. But I thought this would be I mean, this is going to be controversial, right for for a lot of people. The idea we have people in in the audience with us today who have children in first grade, you know what I mean. Yeah, Yeah, that is a tough thing to think about. I know that that exists just from interactions I've had making some past shows with people who work in this kind kind of field, the field of psychology and assessment and just how how much of a toll that takes on you, um, not only with assessing people, but you know, in many ways internalizing other people's stuff that they're dealing with. Right. Um, My heart goes out to you, anonymous person who sent this to us, because that follow this stuff. I mean, I'm assuming all of these data points are real and correct, and you've backed them up, many of them and I looked in the source and it's legit. Yeah, And that's tough. Yeah. It's something that we didn't talk about in the AI prosecution episode because we we didn't talk about the enormously dangerous mental and emotional burden that has put upon people who have to fight the darkness in this way, you know what I mean, It can destroy people. And I believe that's why in many aspect to law enforcement, especially like specific types of child abuse. UH, in many parts of the law enforcement world, individuals are cycled out on a rotating basis because it's too heavy for one person. But thank you so much for this, Thank you so much for this information. For everybody out there who's fighting to protect kids and make the world a better place, thank you as well. And if you have experience with this. If you have other data points that you want to share, we would love to hear from you. Uh, we don't want to end on such a heavy note. Uh. So we have one correction just came in. Now we'll keep this person anonymous as well. Uh. They wanted to point out that vending machines that sell underwear is a specifically weird Japanese thing, and it's very true. It's not all of and we knew that. Yeah. I think that was in relation to the farts in jar story. Uh. And I maybe tried to um cast two wide a net. They're absolutely scifically a Japanese thing. I think we maybe even did a pick up on that one in the night. We've kind of made it stupider. No, we knew, we very much. Uh, We're very much aware. And it is never our Uh. Then this ties into the idea of predictive analytics. It is never our aim to generalize. And I want to I want to shout out this anonymous person because you wrote such a great comparison. At the very end of your letter, you said it's like say Europeans eat horses, when maybe just some French people do so so so points and thank you and we hear you. Um this we're just doing on the fly because it came in. It's an important point. But we did say we wanted to end on an up note. Your pals over here. Stuff they don't want you to know might be coming up in the world, folks. Uh, we have Matt. I'm gonna be honest with you. I haven't listened to this yet, but we have what Matt tells us maybe a celebrity appearance in our voicemail. Oh well, yes, it most definitely is. 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We used to transform and roll out all the time. Anyway, I'm just sitting here and I thought, you know what, oh my crown, not to be confused with Crown. Sorry, I couldn't help myself. Have a nice stay, gents the whole days. Merry Christmas, enjoy your winter, wol of day, whatever you want to call it. Do you think? Keep up the great work. I love the podcast. Don't stop ever, choose I would be the saying. Good point? Is that his real voice? We'll never know? Yeah, this is a man of many voices. Who is this person? I thought, Okay, peep behind the curtain here vols uh. When I was talking this up for the entirety of this week's listening to mails, something, I thought we were going to George Lopez. Who we are? We are? I'm so sorry I had to take us down that just quickly. Which accent is the guy's real accent? I don't, I don't want to know. Maybe he is. He is a robot in disguise. It does give me an idea though. Maybe the next variant will be called Decepticon, and then the Omicron variant can fight the Decepticon variant and save the planet. Wow. Wow, Well let's go to George Lopez for more. Hi, my name is George Lopez, future President of the United States of America. Yes, the comedian. I'm just coining because you guys remember touch the topic clearly digging deep into the Montauk Project. There's a lot of history on Long Island about it. Government has hidden it was before Air Force Space would be a good episode. Thank you, and I love the show, been here in for years. I did that? Is him? Really? I don't know? Did you call him back? Is it an idea? I did? And the mailbox was full. Was in an l A number. And he's a busy guy. I mean, he's got an amazing podcast. I don't know if you guys have heard omg, oh, what is it. Yeah, yeah, it is. It's great. Uh, it's on the O MG High, that's it. And and also you know, uh, if this is not the George Lopez with the podcast to MG High, well then you are our famous George Lopez. Uh on car stuff. For years, there was this awesome caller who I'm still personal friends with named Glenn Beck. And uh and Glenn, we still Scott Knight kept our word man. We still never had any name jokes. We just refer to you as the Glenn Beck. You're the you're the one in our book man. Hell well, you know. And and if if this is not the George Lopez of stand up comedy and podcast and tell visual fame, then I hope this George Lopez's stand up career is going well. Yeah, I mean too, He's going to be the next president of the the United States, So I mean that somes going well. I like and you know, it's definitely not a job I want. I don't know about you guys, but uh yeah, no, thank you fakes. But with that, we are going to call it a day. We will be back tomorrow with more stuff. They don't want you to know. In the meantime, we want to thank anonymous. 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