From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt. Our colleague nol Is on an adventure they called me Ben. We're joined, as always with our super producer Alexis code named Doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you are you. You are here, and that makes this stuff they don't want you to know. Uh. Peek behind the curtain, as we so often say. I was just comparing notes a little bit earlier. Uh, Doc Matt, I think this might be the last episode we record this entire year, the last segment we record this entire year. Yeah, this is it. This is finale. Everyone, congratulations. But it comes out, you know, like in the New Year. Our finale is. We're a week late with our finale. That's fine. It's a little echo of that which was you'll just it's a little reminder mm hmmmm. And forward into the future. The horizon beckons at you from the distance. Um. Depending on how you think of time, you are either inevitably running towards the future or the future itself is inevitably running toward you. We've got some weird listener mails today, Matt. We got We've got some really cool stuff. We've got. We've got a voicemail, We've got We've also got, I think a couple of just cool, out of context things that we might just just drop in the audio songing here, the way that a beat drops in dubsteps yeah, or the way a game drops into the PlayStation store and then just disappears almost immediately here here he comes a quick one from Steve. Steve says, just gonna preface this by saying, I'm a forty three year old man, and as such I suck at video games. However, I'm about twenty five hours into Cyberpunk on Xbox One. Remember we talked about this game. It's buggy as hell, but it's totally badass. Otherwise it will randomly quit you out and send you back to the main screen on Xbox. All that aside, it's the most fun I've had playing a video game in a long time since sky Rim. Honestly, whoa. That's by the way, I chose a default penis size. Um okay, now, oh boy? Uh we talked about on a previous episode that in this game you are allowed to choose the size of your genitalia and uh. Steve is happy to report that he chose a default size. Um. He says it felt right at the time these little punctuation smiley faces, Matt, I was, I was wondering if you're going to get to that part of the letter. But yes, the characters, what we understand, are highly customizable, and I'm so glad to hear that you're enjoying the game. Steve. I've actually kept you, Matt. You know I love spoilers, right, I love love, love spoilers. That's a kind of a way to spit in the eye of linear time, I guess. But but I haven't. I have not spoiled much of the story of Cyberpunk for myself, and I have you at this point. No, I have not. The most I have done is watched Video Game Donkeys video his coverage of it. Shout out to him, by the way, and anyone who watches his videos. I've been watching them for a long time. Ben, Ben and I have shared a few of those in the past. Big shout out to you. May you continue forever more sir, Yes, well said, uh I am. I'm a little toward about which direction we should go in. Matt, I'm thinking the voicemail makes for a nice segue. What do you think? Oh? Yeah, sure, let's let's go to year old voicemail. We received a message from Veronica and they asked if we could look into something called Rando Nautica. Oh, Rando Nautica, you say, thanks so much, Veronica. This this is something Matt. I think you had heard about before. I had, I know, just a little bit about it. Could you give us the quick and dirty on Rando Nautica. Dude, I literally heard about it because of Veronica. I read a story about a weird occurrence that had to do with this app and some users of this app. But I did not connect Rando Nautica and this story together. Yeah, I'm sure it was into reporting. It's just in my mind. It wasn't about the app. It was about this weird occurrence that I was reading about. Um my goodness, I feel like I've stumbled on a brand new stage of my life. Ben. Rando Nautica is or Lisa purports to be a real life choose your own adventure that you get to play every day whenever you open the app and choose to use it. Doesn't that sound enticing? Doesn't that sound exciting? Well, let me just tell you what it says on the website Rando Nautica dot com. Rando Nautica is the world's first quantum lee generated choose your own adventure reality game. Explore the world you never knew existed? What what? Uh? Here's more just from the website about what this thing is? Says. The app puts the user in the director's chair of an adventure story yet to be written. By using the app, the user can break from their mundane day today and take a journey of randomness into the world around them. Trans mundane, I'd say, transmundane very much. Oh, this this episode is gonna work so nicely together. Where is the thing that let's see, we're working live. We're working live. I got you though, So this is that's pretty In Tennessee, these terms would be called high falutin. Oh these are half lutin. I'll tell you what. Um. Listen to this. It says, break out of your reality tunnel, recalibrate your mind, and have fun on an adventure into the world you never knew existed. Welcome Future, Random Not So it sounds so wonderful and it is ridiculously simple. At the heart of it, this is an app that is literally just getting you to walk somewhere within a certain distance from wherever you are and to explore that area. That's literally what this is. That is it. But it has been purported to be the reason behind a lot of strange occurrences because this is from what I understand, this app is more of a formalization of an earlier practice. It's something that a lot of us have done accidentally. Rando Knots existed before this app. Rando Knots just people who would find a a location near to random as they could, maybe using a random numbers generator to find coordinates, and then they would just go explore. So this, this is an evolution of that which I which I quite enjoy, even though I have, Um, I don't know. Let's let's walk through it. Let's walk through it. It sounds interesting. But I don't think either of us have used the app yet, have we? No? I have not, to be honest, I'm a little a little weirded out by it. But but it's it's not because of the creators or anything behind it. It is just during the times when you know that we're in We're not, at least in Atlanta, we're not in any kind of imposed physical lockdown. But I would say a lot of us, including myself and my family, are attempting to minimize the number of locations we traveled to. So the concept of just going out randomly to some location, or just even traveling unnecessarily it feels like probably a bad move, but doesn't mean it necessarily is for you or for your situation or where you are. I'm just speaking for myself here, But I to get back to the story that I was telling you about that I had read about previously before hearing about the app. There was an occurrence. Oh gosh, I think it was in June. Maybe I'm wrong. I don't know the exact date of this, but not long ago this year, a group of younger people were using this app out in West Seattle when they were just you know, exploring an area like the app tells you to do. You go to these random coordinates that are within you know, a certain I believe it's a certain radius of the user. They go out to these coordinates and then you're meant to use your intention to explore the area as though you know it's a brand new place because it is um and just get yourself out of your own headspace that you're kind of stuck in. And they happened upon I believe it was a bag of some sort that had the remains of two human beings, a twenty seven year old and a thirty six year old. I believe one was male, one was female, and essentially they they stumbled onto a homicide investigation or they started a homicide investigation because of their exploration with this app, and that is very very weird. Of course it was it was captured for social media purposes their journey, because that is one of the main reasons people are hearing about this is one of the main reasons there are ten almost eleven million users of this app already, because it is very very popular if you use social media, especially video social media sites and applications to film yourself using Rando Nautica and going out and exploring the world. And that's why there are so many occurrences, or it seems like there are so many strange occurrences because of the frequency that this app is being used by people and documented as it's being used, right, because you're not. It's a psychological manufacturing defect of the of the human experience, right you. If you ever think, oh, I always get stuck at this red light, what you're remembering is just the times you've been stuck at the red light. What you're forgetting is every other time that you just sailed through and you didn't feel very persecuted by the universe or spotlight by the universe. Yeah. I think this works off that we do know that it's been described as performance art, as multimedia storytelling. It reminds me a little bit in some ways. It has what corporate types would call the d n A of immersive theater experiences. Uh, things like the Latitude Society over in California, which we'll get into in another episode. Just sidebar and please keep this on, Mike, doc but Cydebar, Matt, have you heard of the Latitude Society Latitude Society? No? I have not. Oh boy, Okay, it's a weird one. It's a weird one. But Rando Natica is doing something that's pretty pretty fascinating. It reminds me of um, remember No Man's Sky before that game came out the remember the hype, I remember the hype to I never played it. I felt really bad because one of our I waited for one of our colleagues to play it and let me know what the deal was. But No Man's Sky essentially promised to be a game where the player is a space faring person. Right, they have a spaceship and they're they're cruising through universe of randomly designed worlds. And that sounds beautiful because you know, the game is is writing itself around you, and Rando Nautica is sort of reframing the way you would encounter the physical world. It's not physically changing stuff about the world around you. It's kind of like a skin you can put on Google Earth or something. Yes, totally, and the only thing is Brando Nautica encourages its users to use their intention to generate in the world experiences. So it's almost like a cold reading of yourself or something where I decide, uh, my intention is to find guidance wherever it is that I'm going to travel. So then once you get to that location, you are searching for something that is going to meet that criteria of your thoughts on what guidance would mean, or what guidance you believe you require it in that moment, or find something unexplained bowl uh. And then you know, you discover a ladder set up against a tree in the middle of nowhere that leads up to a single apple, you know, whatever, what everything you you encounter, then kind of you can ascribe those thoughts to that thing or you're going to be doing that anyway. Yeah, and this has a shout out Rando Natica. They also ask you to choose entropy right, intention and entropyte Randon Natica has a prominent connection to one of my favorite academic pursuits of the alleged spooky mental actions people are capable of esp precognition, etcetera. We're talking about the Princeton Engineering Anomalies Research Program or pair. Pair had an experiment in nine and a number of other experiments supporting this idea that people can, to some agree, control random number generation through their thoughts, their focus, thought, will, and attention alone. If you're a fan of the Mixed Sweeney's, the awesome Mixed Sweeney's UH DVD publication that used to come out regularly. It was like a DVD magazine or short films. You may remember at one time mixed Sweeneys and Wolf and distributed a bonus DVD from I think it was Pair that asked you, the user, to view this recording at a specific time and see whether you could alter the results of the random number generators at Pair itself at Princeton. So this sort of stuff is fascinating now. Of course, the more skeptical members of our audience today are going to point out the numerous holes in the methodology and problems with the process. Sure, but still it's it's fun to think about. So this is more and more an argument for rander Nautica in my book. But man, Matt, what kind of data is getting captured here? Oh right, they say there isn't data being collected. Um that I'll actually go. Let's go to their f a Q now support dot rando knots dot com. This is officially what they say. The application does not collect user data the generated points, but never You're starting point are stored as anonymized information with no connection to you or your device. We utilize GPS only for your starting location and never run this permission in the background. Officially, that is what they say, Uh, now that we're on the f a Q, can I do a few more? Ben Well, means the app keeps sending me to private property. What should I do? Enjoy the journey as close as you can get to the destination without trespassing. Observed the observed the surroundings as closely as you're comfortable with. As a user of the app, you must abide by state and local private property laws. Okay, Uh, it is private property though, explore during the day. Right. Oh yeah, it does say that. What does it say, I'm scared to use the app? Will anything bad happen? It says, try to approach of neutral curiosity. In general, the feeling of thrill, anxiety, and a bit of fear is somewhat normal for first time users. Use situational awareness, avoid night trips, and stay in your comfort zone. And this this okay, so this is the thing. Uh, there's the reverse psychology of this. It's it's very in some ways. It's similar to, uh, the old game of getting into a dark room and saying certain phrases repeatedly into a mirror, right to tempt some other worldly or supernatural entity. Uh. So there's a lot of stuff on TikTok. There's a lot of stuff on YouTube, people saying I tried this once, it was terrified, Never use it again, you know, and those people, we we can't say that they're being performative or insincere without knowing them. They may honestly be very scared. But that fright is ou mommy to other people and what they want the danger? You know what I mean. You've heard the urban legend this person said so and so into a mirror, Well why not trip the light? Fantastic myself thinks, thousands of other people and that's what's happening here. Uh randon Otica does say you have to get your parents consent to use the app if you're a minor, But how how is that? How is that a real barrier? Right? Who on earth has looked at the you must be up eighteen and up or whatever clicky things on the internet and thought, oh no, the FBI is after now they're gonna get me because I'm sixteen or whatever. This guy when when when I was fourteen? And yeah, I don't know. I think it's worth I think it's it's a it's worth exploring. It be a fun thing to do. I enjoy geo cashing as well, though, so I'm biased. But um, but as far as whether or not intention can affect the random number generation, I don't know. I'm curious. I'm curious, Matt. What do you think? Um? I don't necessarily think it can. But who knows? I mean, prove to me. We're not in the matrix right now, Ben, can you know? You can't? So who knows? Who knows? Um? Maybe there is a way to to game the system. I'm just unaware of it because if I was, I would be using it right now. So well, let's take a break and I'll try and influence this ad to be or what am I going to influence it to be? World of Warcraft? Oh? Man, the weird tense nature of our partnership. All right, I'm there with you, okay. Uh no, Wammy's okay, here goes m Man. We're back. Uh, we'll see, we'll see. It may have worked for someone, um, but you know, there's also the argument that you should do what you want with with the world and with your experience. So kudos to anyone who said I'm gonna help I'm gonna help Doc and the boys out, and I'm just gonna play a World of Warcraft ad on my own, like on YouTube or something. So you made it true for us on the Shadowlands. This next piece came to us, uh, not too long go, and it is uh. It's something that we wanted to share with you all, and we wanted to get your opinions on this. Ralphie K writes to us and says, esteemed colleagues and plubbing the trans mundane, please find a letter attached. It explains everything. We come in peace, afraid be not do please Hail Heiress, All, Hail Discordia. M hmm. That sounds familiar, Hail Heiress. I swear I've heard that before. Mm hmmm. And Discordia. It's not Discworld, that was a whole other thing, but Discordia. M hm. So this came with a an attachment, a letter attached that we uh, we both were a little hesitant about diving into both. I think did a did a preview of the message, maybe compartmentalized before opening it, and when we opened it. I don't know about you, Matt, I'm very glad we did so because we got this wonderful little letter we wanted to share with you. It's a bit um, it's a bit thorough. So I propose that we split the duties up here we tossed the toss the text back and forth between ourselves, and then you know, pause as needed for explanations. First explanation before we begin. What is Discordianism. Uh, it's according to Adam go rightly, it was founded as a parody religion. Adam Go rightly writes a lot about fringe thoughts and research. Uh. It encourages the worship of Heiress, a Greek goddess. It's Heiress in Greek, and it's um Discordia in Latin. So there's a lot of strange stuff we're about to dive into. We're on the edge of the pool, folks. So here we go. Let's start at the top. And as the mad header says, well, we'll start at the beginning, we'll go through the middle, and we'll stop at the end. That's perfect, all right. So rowthy rights from the absurdest historians army and e O O T L g Alum affiliate to the host of stuff. They don't want you to know by name they are. And then it has our our three names. And then what is what is the colon dot, H colan dot, M colan dot and then your name. What is that? I am not familiar with a lot of these abbreviations either UM, right, honorable, the right and honorable. I don't know, benol, it's weird. It's weird. I noticed. Did you notice they didn't put the M on every name? Oh? Yeah, you are the only Mr. Well, maybe we don't know, master master. I don't know. I don't know. It would be misleading. So we've already stopped in and we're already going, what's going on? Please let us know what the R H M means. We are not intimately familiar with this school of thought, so Ralph, he says, esteemed colleagues in trans mundane research. There we go. The callback worked. Allow us to begin with introductions. I have countless names and countless faces. You might call me a denizen of the space exterior to reality. They inhabit a flesh suit at present these days, I wear a red hat and am a quite real and practical magician. That's amazing, And they continue I find your work fascinating, particularly your collective talent for aphorism. We at the A H A are also transfixed by the inexplicable, the hyper novel, the super real, the trans mundane. Yes, in particular R. H. Boland's adage that the great ideas are the force that changes the world. And as the branch of the illuminated conspiracy, your collective insistence on conspiracy realism is refreshing to say, the least great ideas been are the force that changes the world. And I couldn't agree more. Well, Uh, it appears that we're being buttered up for something, Matt. I know, all right, let's get to you. Yes, esteemed colleagues, we the absurdest historians Army are an affiliate branch of the esoteric Order of the Laughing God, itself a branch of the rose Crucian Order of Western Tatra Laughing God, Love it, love it. Uh. We are the present representatives of the radical d z O G C h E N L Vadriana discipline of the romneeing uh At in the Southwestern United States. For our sins, I wonder if that's uh And then they continue the scarlet lodge of force, the crimson Hood or the Red Hats. We seek to directly assault the structural notions of global fascism through art conversation and armed confrontation if necessary. We will kill the idea without touching the body that thinks it fascinating, assaulting the structural notions of global fascism through art conversation and armed confrontation if necessary. Yeah, just throw that one in there, you know, just a dash of that. Okay, Okay, we see you. And then they continue in short, we see what you see. It is in our house now, and we must find it and do now what we can. We practice a wide range of tactics, primarily in the realm of culture jamming and idea. Calm back, God, I love this bend Okay, continuing, But this is a branch of what is referred to as Operation g O T B. We have a document regarding higher metaphysics which would be more of a definite interest to you, and would be happy to send a copy with no strings attached. Let me just say go ahead and send it. Please send it. Also, uh, the skeptic and me does not believe that there are no strings attached because everything is connected? And is this is this not culture jamming in its own right? In some way? Are you not jamming the culture? We're a culture jam bands. So they go on to say, the only reason we have not done so with this letter is due to the general objection of sending unsolicited documents to filmmakers or artists for obvious reasons. However, we explicitly intend find your intention for you to make up your mind what we have with has said no strings were implications attached. We intend also to contact the r h M. There it is again Robert Evans, but he's comparatively difficult to reach for clear reasons. If our Steems colleagues would extend to him our invitation as well, it would be of great assistance and we would be most great. Full belief is not a requirement to experience the mysteries. So they want us to reach out to Rob. Well, Rob, this is us reaching out to you. Can you hear us through the air waves or the pod waves whatever these things are? M Robert, this is interesting stuff. What do you think? He's just doing great, great work. By the way, I can't can't enough about him, but off Tony shows he's got right now and uh, dear listeners highly recommend all of them. We should probably have him on the show at some point. But uh, to our wonderful correspondent, We're so glad to hear that you are aware of and supportive of the work of our h M. Robert Evans. And so now our author goes on to give us what a series of questions? Oh? Yes, in fact, they say, allow me to pose a series of questions. Who am I? Before you immediately read my signature? Who am I? Without that context? Can you guess my name? I am? If it helps please to meet you all, albeit in abstentia? What is anything without its context? Do you see how I just became myself by context? Does anything have any define ability at all without a comparison light and dark? Yes, the light must be bright enough to reveal the dark, and the dark must be deep enough for light to truly appear. Well, let us speak of chaos. I got some chills. That's excellent read man um. It just sounds it sounds like it's writing that perfect line between a supervillain and a superhero, Like they're just they're right there there, the the anti hero that is exploring the edge through counter I don't know what. Let's just talk about chaos, ben okay, chaos, So look around, the letter continues, What is the most abundant thing? What abounds in every place, regardless of what else abounds upon it. What, indeed is the abound er, so to speak, it is chaos unmanifest it is, Yes, and what if it's opposite? Can it be said to have one perhaps anti generation? Yes? What do we call that? Hate or hunger? Maybe the two together? We call it malice? But does chaos not contain all within it, along with all's negation as well? Then malice must balance within the formula if we model it as one. Yes, I love how it also writing style wise, I love how at the end of some you know, larger conclusions it's just a comment. Yes, I'm gonna start writing that way. It sounds good. Yes. Um So, then what is order? Not the opposite of chaos, as Pedestrian philosophy would have it, the opposite of order is disorder, the actual dipole defining the relative motion of neophobia and neophilia, that is, being fear of our fixation on change. It is evident neither is correct entirely, but that one must stand in the middle of a bridge between the two islands. Yes, overall is the overall of chaos nested within it, the hodge and the podge, the aneuristic and the aristic order disorder, the halves of chaos undivided. It is the tension of Hodge and Podge that makes this the world of ten thousand things. Truly too many things come to pass, And inclosing, our author says this is an invitation into the highest mystery. Again interest in wording here afraid be do please not, instructions to continue correspondence, and then um a very direct first person closing here, I promise I am not a serial killer or a stalker. I mean absolutely no harm. Is only an invitation and may be refused with no offense taken. I think any invitation should be something people can refuse with no offense taken under this, under this letter or that part of the letter. It ends with the Scotan has been amantized. And then we see writing in red. Help me out, Matt. That's definitely read right, that is red. Yes, and it also appears it appears to be German. Am I incorrect here? I believe you're correct? Yeah? Or wait, yeah, I'm seeing some It looks germant to me unless we're unless we're going oh wait, it's hail heiriss hail hecate m hm, oh have a infinitum? Interesting? Are they just trying to get us to say these things on air? beIN? Right? Yeah, maybe to amplify the spell? Uh? Now, Matt, as you point out, some parts of this letter are in a different language, and one of those languages is German. We had an interesting discussion off Mike about magic is weaponized psychology and whether we are being asked to in some way amplify a magical working by reading these phrases on the air. Uh. In our reasoning, we don't want to accidentally participate in a spell, whether or not you believe in them. We certainly don't want to accidentally draw in you, our fellow conspiracy realist as as part of uh, members of a spell. So we figured we would read the English translation of some of these phrases, and that probably won't have the same effect, right if I understand this correctly? H One hopes that this was not anticipated. Yes, Oh, well done, Matt. Okay, So all right, let's do it. Though, what do you think you want to hear the English? I? Why don't you do one? I'll do the middle one and then you do the last one. Is that? Okay? Okay? Okay? Alright, for just from that top phrase. Okay, great, So the first phrase is eternal flower power, eternal acid power. Is that what you're getting? That's what I'm saying. And the last one is I see the fourth color, Oh you do, which is I'm partially color blind. I need all the all the colors like I get. So we looked in and it doesn't seem like um, it doesn't seem like anything malevolent, you know what I mean. They're great little observations, aphorisms, uh, concepts. Everything is true, nothing is permitted. Will that stop you? Have you ever noticed that the only things you notice are the things you notice? You just did? Dude? I love that again? Afraid B do not please? But can I read the next part? Here says one day you will read this message and wonder at how much has changed. We are the Illuminati. Curiously, that statement we are the Illuminati is in all caps except for the A and R of R and ben. I am not familiar with that practice of spelling it in that way or writing it in that way. Uh, that's certainly new to me. And I, you know, throughout this entire thing, I feel like such a novice in all of the transmundane. Um, I need to level up a lot. I'm fully on board. This is a weird, seems kind of cool. I'm fascinated. I've seen some stuff like this before, but not addressed specifically to us. So we're flattered. Were very flattered. Um, let's check in. I don't want to put you too much on the spot code named doc, but what do you think of what you just heard? That's that's what I got. Okay, okay, it's working. I don't know. The discord has been sown, the chaos has been sparked. All are confused being not please. Oh boy, this is getting to be a lot. Um. Let's take a quick break and we're back, very well further into the depths. So a real and practicing magician. Yeah, our our author identifies themselves as meaning then that you have enacted, um, what are sometimes described as magical works. I would love to hear examples of that. Would love to hear more explorations of this. I think for outsiders, one thing that becomes pretty confusing is the nature of what would be maybe called applied effect versus the more philosophical metaphysical concerns and spiritual navigation. So I think seeing that together in a combined system can be confusing to a lot of people. But the first thing this reminded me of that because I am a relatively simple person, is the Illuminatous Trilogy. Do you remember these books? I certainly there are many references in here. In fact, tell me correct me if I'm wrong, Ben, But I believe that phrase. That phrase right towards the end there is ripped directly out of the Illuminatous Trilogy. The Blue Men craft part there, the flower power is that not ripped from the Luminatus trilogy? Well you know this, this hailed Discordia stuff is definitely in there. I don't know where they pulled it from though, right, h But there are things in there like the twenty three enigma, which is the idea that twenty three is a magical or somehow significant number. And in the principal Discordia, which is kind of the religious text of the Discordian belief system, is written by Greg Hill and Carrie Wendell formally um in that you'll see a claim about twenty three that says all things happen in fives or are divisible by or a multiples of fives, where somehow indirectly or directly appropriate to five. Uh, that's the law of fives, and twenty three is regarded as a coroll area that law because two plus three equals five. That's the kind of territory we're diving into here. Very clear. Um. You know, we could also say that the reason we have base five and base ten kind of numbers is actually very simple. It's because that's the number of philanges or digits we have. Now, those phalanges, they've really they've really just sent us, you know, sent us on a path just because of these things. Man, Yes, yep, because these hands. Now, if we all had six fingers, it would be you know, we would have a like a base twelve kind of situation going on. It's pretty reasonable if for some reason we all had six fingers. Do octopuses have like a base eight reasoning or or maybe not because each each arm has kind of its own brain. Anyway, that's that's an episode for another day. But Ah, this letter was such a refreshing surprise, and it's something that you know, we always want to be honest with you folks. We don't understand something. It's something that's a little over my head. I don't. I didn't catch a lot of these references, especially given that there was a follow up is entirely not in not in an alphabetic language that would be familiar to a lot of people, for sure. Well, now I'm just gonna go down rabbit hole after rabbit hole of stuff that is included in this message, and I'm not going to stop for a long time. And really, I just want to learn more about the Scarlet Lodge of Force or the Crimson Hood. I I feel like I'm aware of the Crimson Hood, but the Scarlet Lodge of Force I'm going to learn as much as possible about. Same same matt uh hard same, let us hard. Let's say, uh, that sounds like it could be a weird album title or someone you know what, It's like a Mick Mick Jagger solo album. It's like Mick Jagger hard Same. Why does that feel somehow often weird? I don't know. Well, it's just the hard um, the Crimson Force. I'm not going to get the Crimson Force out of my head or the Scarlet Force, sorry, the Scarlet Force, the Crimson something so cool? Yes, yeah, And this this also has an interesting tie in to our earlier exploration of Randa nautica, right, the idea that intention alone can alter the world in ways science has yet to understand. What's fascinating here is that we know this is to a degree true when it comes to observation of actions, very very small things, right, like whether light is a particle or a wave to slit experiment, and so on. But does that indicate anything larger? Does that indicate my I don't want to sound dismissive, I'm just want to think of examples. Does that indicate, for example, that a vision board can meditating in front of a vision border, just meditating on your own Does that somehow alter the world around you? Or does it simply alter the way that you experience reality. I guess the question is really phenomenological at some point, phenomenological experience, meaning that we're not changing the outer world. We're sort of changing our consciousness with new information or new opinions or new beliefs, and we are affecting that change most readily by our interaction with external objects of our direct experience. So like, are we changing the world? Are we changing our minds about the world? That's that's kind of the big question. Man. I remember when Back in the day, I used to get that Reagano and make use of it, and I would have these kinds of thoughts all the time. Ben, I want to let you know I'm going back to a Reagano officially because of this letter. You're back. You're back on the the Gato. I'm going directly to that sweet, sweet reagano. So, um yeah. So this has given us a lot to think about. I think both of us are going to be uh digging deeper into this. Um yeah. We massively appreciate the follow up document there with a little bit more about metaphysics, because I think what's intimidating to a lot of people in this sort of situation is finding a starting point, you know what I mean? How do I begin to understand these very specific allusions, references and so on, or should I? Is this just an act of culture jamming? And if so, what are your favorite acts of culture jamming, dear listeners. I'll tell you, Matt there there's some great examples of this in the illumin Honest trilogy. Some of my favorites have always been fake signs, just fake signs that are just plausible enough. Like one of the best examples in Illuminatus trilogy. This is not a spoiler. Uh. Someone goes into a very fancy department store and there's a sign that says, you know, like you have to have shirt and shoes for service, etcetera. So they altered this sign and they put up a different sign. Can't know what it is, but the only changes it just they add they added the line like no spitting. And this was in a really fancy store, and so customers will be very turned off when they walk in and they're like, is spitting a problem here? Spitting a sign was necessary? So that's why I like culture Jammy like that, like putting up I used to put up a lot of fake lost photos um or lost notices flyers. Yeah, like uh, I had one that was like a lost parrot, and the whole thing was like, please don't bring him back. He's a monster. Uh, runaway from see him. That's pretty funny. Don't make eye contact, don't listen to his name, don't listen to what he says. He will lead you astray. That's amazing. Oh well, that's really great. Hey, this has nothing to do with that. I'm so sorry. I had a picture just flash in my mind as a family. We watched this new Pixar movie, Soul. It just came out pretty glorious as it includes a different view of eternity and the construct of the universe and the metaverse and all that is reality and unreality. I would just recommend it for, you know, maybe not super young kids, but anyone who has a budding curiosity about how life functions and and all of that stuff. It's just it's an inspirational story. I would say, all right, one for the adults too. Yeah, oh yeah, I cried my eyes out every time. Cheers Pixar. Pixar is Yeah, they've got a formula. It works. Um, yes, I I would love to check that out on your recommendation, net. I'm also going to be rereading Illuminatius trilogy. Want to hear your examples of culture jamming. Just one more personal example. I've put up a I think the dumbest one is I put up missing posters for a boomerang, and the instructions were always just like wait here, uh so, let us know what you think. What kind of a little place like that you've done. 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From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt. Our colleague nol Is on an adventure they called me Ben. We're joined, as always with our super producer Alexis code named Doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you are you. You are here, and that makes this stuff they don't want you to know. Uh. Peek behind the curtain, as we so often say. I was just comparing notes a little bit earlier. Uh, Doc Matt, I think this might be the last episode we record this entire year, the last segment we record this entire year. Yeah, this is it. This is finale. Everyone, congratulations. But it comes out, you know, like in the New Year. Our finale is. We're a week late with our finale. That's fine. It's a little echo of that which was you'll just it's a little reminder mm hmmmm. And forward into the future. The horizon beckons at you from the distance. Um. Depending on how you think of time, you are either inevitably running towards the future or the future itself is inevitably running toward you. We've got some weird listener mails today, Matt. We got We've got some really cool stuff. We've got. We've got a voicemail, We've got We've also got, I think a couple of just cool, out of context things that we might just just drop in the audio songing here, the way that a beat drops in dubsteps yeah, or the way a game drops into the PlayStation store and then just disappears almost immediately here here he comes a quick one from Steve. Steve says, just gonna preface this by saying, I'm a forty three year old man, and as such I suck at video games. However, I'm about twenty five hours into Cyberpunk on Xbox One. Remember we talked about this game. It's buggy as hell, but it's totally badass. Otherwise it will randomly quit you out and send you back to the main screen on Xbox. All that aside, it's the most fun I've had playing a video game in a long time since sky Rim. Honestly, whoa. That's by the way, I chose a default penis size. Um okay, now, oh boy? Uh we talked about on a previous episode that in this game you are allowed to choose the size of your genitalia and uh. Steve is happy to report that he chose a default size. Um. He says it felt right at the time these little punctuation smiley faces, Matt, I was, I was wondering if you're going to get to that part of the letter. But yes, the characters, what we understand, are highly customizable, and I'm so glad to hear that you're enjoying the game. Steve. I've actually kept you, Matt. You know I love spoilers, right, I love love, love spoilers. That's a kind of a way to spit in the eye of linear time, I guess. But but I haven't. I have not spoiled much of the story of Cyberpunk for myself, and I have you at this point. No, I have not. The most I have done is watched Video Game Donkeys video his coverage of it. Shout out to him, by the way, and anyone who watches his videos. I've been watching them for a long time. Ben, Ben and I have shared a few of those in the past. Big shout out to you. May you continue forever more sir, Yes, well said, uh I am. I'm a little toward about which direction we should go in. Matt, I'm thinking the voicemail makes for a nice segue. What do you think? Oh? Yeah, sure, let's let's go to year old voicemail. We received a message from Veronica and they asked if we could look into something called Rando Nautica. Oh, Rando Nautica, you say, thanks so much, Veronica. This this is something Matt. I think you had heard about before. I had, I know, just a little bit about it. Could you give us the quick and dirty on Rando Nautica. Dude, I literally heard about it because of Veronica. I read a story about a weird occurrence that had to do with this app and some users of this app. But I did not connect Rando Nautica and this story together. Yeah, I'm sure it was into reporting. It's just in my mind. It wasn't about the app. It was about this weird occurrence that I was reading about. Um my goodness, I feel like I've stumbled on a brand new stage of my life. Ben. Rando Nautica is or Lisa purports to be a real life choose your own adventure that you get to play every day whenever you open the app and choose to use it. Doesn't that sound enticing? Doesn't that sound exciting? Well, let me just tell you what it says on the website Rando Nautica dot com. Rando Nautica is the world's first quantum lee generated choose your own adventure reality game. Explore the world you never knew existed? What what? Uh? Here's more just from the website about what this thing is? Says. The app puts the user in the director's chair of an adventure story yet to be written. By using the app, the user can break from their mundane day today and take a journey of randomness into the world around them. Trans mundane, I'd say, transmundane very much. Oh, this this episode is gonna work so nicely together. Where is the thing that let's see, we're working live. We're working live. I got you though, So this is that's pretty In Tennessee, these terms would be called high falutin. Oh these are half lutin. I'll tell you what. Um. Listen to this. It says, break out of your reality tunnel, recalibrate your mind, and have fun on an adventure into the world you never knew existed. Welcome Future, Random Not So it sounds so wonderful and it is ridiculously simple. At the heart of it, this is an app that is literally just getting you to walk somewhere within a certain distance from wherever you are and to explore that area. That's literally what this is. That is it. But it has been purported to be the reason behind a lot of strange occurrences because this is from what I understand, this app is more of a formalization of an earlier practice. It's something that a lot of us have done accidentally. Rando Knots existed before this app. Rando Knots just people who would find a a location near to random as they could, maybe using a random numbers generator to find coordinates, and then they would just go explore. So this, this is an evolution of that which I which I quite enjoy, even though I have, Um, I don't know. Let's let's walk through it. Let's walk through it. It sounds interesting. But I don't think either of us have used the app yet, have we? No? I have not, to be honest, I'm a little a little weirded out by it. But but it's it's not because of the creators or anything behind it. It is just during the times when you know that we're in We're not, at least in Atlanta, we're not in any kind of imposed physical lockdown. But I would say a lot of us, including myself and my family, are attempting to minimize the number of locations we traveled to. So the concept of just going out randomly to some location, or just even traveling unnecessarily it feels like probably a bad move, but doesn't mean it necessarily is for you or for your situation or where you are. I'm just speaking for myself here, But I to get back to the story that I was telling you about that I had read about previously before hearing about the app. There was an occurrence. Oh gosh, I think it was in June. Maybe I'm wrong. I don't know the exact date of this, but not long ago this year, a group of younger people were using this app out in West Seattle when they were just you know, exploring an area like the app tells you to do. You go to these random coordinates that are within you know, a certain I believe it's a certain radius of the user. They go out to these coordinates and then you're meant to use your intention to explore the area as though you know it's a brand new place because it is um and just get yourself out of your own headspace that you're kind of stuck in. And they happened upon I believe it was a bag of some sort that had the remains of two human beings, a twenty seven year old and a thirty six year old. I believe one was male, one was female, and essentially they they stumbled onto a homicide investigation or they started a homicide investigation because of their exploration with this app, and that is very very weird. Of course it was it was captured for social media purposes their journey, because that is one of the main reasons people are hearing about this is one of the main reasons there are ten almost eleven million users of this app already, because it is very very popular if you use social media, especially video social media sites and applications to film yourself using Rando Nautica and going out and exploring the world. And that's why there are so many occurrences, or it seems like there are so many strange occurrences because of the frequency that this app is being used by people and documented as it's being used, right, because you're not. It's a psychological manufacturing defect of the of the human experience, right you. If you ever think, oh, I always get stuck at this red light, what you're remembering is just the times you've been stuck at the red light. What you're forgetting is every other time that you just sailed through and you didn't feel very persecuted by the universe or spotlight by the universe. Yeah. I think this works off that we do know that it's been described as performance art, as multimedia storytelling. It reminds me a little bit in some ways. It has what corporate types would call the d n A of immersive theater experiences. Uh, things like the Latitude Society over in California, which we'll get into in another episode. Just sidebar and please keep this on, Mike, doc but Cydebar, Matt, have you heard of the Latitude Society Latitude Society? No? I have not. Oh boy, Okay, it's a weird one. It's a weird one. But Rando Natica is doing something that's pretty pretty fascinating. It reminds me of um, remember No Man's Sky before that game came out the remember the hype, I remember the hype to I never played it. I felt really bad because one of our I waited for one of our colleagues to play it and let me know what the deal was. But No Man's Sky essentially promised to be a game where the player is a space faring person. Right, they have a spaceship and they're they're cruising through universe of randomly designed worlds. And that sounds beautiful because you know, the game is is writing itself around you, and Rando Nautica is sort of reframing the way you would encounter the physical world. It's not physically changing stuff about the world around you. It's kind of like a skin you can put on Google Earth or something. Yes, totally, and the only thing is Brando Nautica encourages its users to use their intention to generate in the world experiences. So it's almost like a cold reading of yourself or something where I decide, uh, my intention is to find guidance wherever it is that I'm going to travel. So then once you get to that location, you are searching for something that is going to meet that criteria of your thoughts on what guidance would mean, or what guidance you believe you require it in that moment, or find something unexplained bowl uh. And then you know, you discover a ladder set up against a tree in the middle of nowhere that leads up to a single apple, you know, whatever, what everything you you encounter, then kind of you can ascribe those thoughts to that thing or you're going to be doing that anyway. Yeah, and this has a shout out Rando Natica. They also ask you to choose entropy right, intention and entropyte Randon Natica has a prominent connection to one of my favorite academic pursuits of the alleged spooky mental actions people are capable of esp precognition, etcetera. We're talking about the Princeton Engineering Anomalies Research Program or pair. Pair had an experiment in nine and a number of other experiments supporting this idea that people can, to some agree, control random number generation through their thoughts, their focus, thought, will, and attention alone. If you're a fan of the Mixed Sweeney's, the awesome Mixed Sweeney's UH DVD publication that used to come out regularly. It was like a DVD magazine or short films. You may remember at one time mixed Sweeneys and Wolf and distributed a bonus DVD from I think it was Pair that asked you, the user, to view this recording at a specific time and see whether you could alter the results of the random number generators at Pair itself at Princeton. So this sort of stuff is fascinating now. Of course, the more skeptical members of our audience today are going to point out the numerous holes in the methodology and problems with the process. Sure, but still it's it's fun to think about. So this is more and more an argument for rander Nautica in my book. But man, Matt, what kind of data is getting captured here? Oh right, they say there isn't data being collected. Um that I'll actually go. Let's go to their f a Q now support dot rando knots dot com. This is officially what they say. The application does not collect user data the generated points, but never You're starting point are stored as anonymized information with no connection to you or your device. We utilize GPS only for your starting location and never run this permission in the background. Officially, that is what they say, Uh, now that we're on the f a Q, can I do a few more? Ben Well, means the app keeps sending me to private property. What should I do? Enjoy the journey as close as you can get to the destination without trespassing. Observed the observed the surroundings as closely as you're comfortable with. As a user of the app, you must abide by state and local private property laws. Okay, Uh, it is private property though, explore during the day. Right. Oh yeah, it does say that. What does it say, I'm scared to use the app? Will anything bad happen? It says, try to approach of neutral curiosity. In general, the feeling of thrill, anxiety, and a bit of fear is somewhat normal for first time users. Use situational awareness, avoid night trips, and stay in your comfort zone. And this this okay, so this is the thing. Uh, there's the reverse psychology of this. It's it's very in some ways. It's similar to, uh, the old game of getting into a dark room and saying certain phrases repeatedly into a mirror, right to tempt some other worldly or supernatural entity. Uh. So there's a lot of stuff on TikTok. There's a lot of stuff on YouTube, people saying I tried this once, it was terrified, Never use it again, you know, and those people, we we can't say that they're being performative or insincere without knowing them. They may honestly be very scared. But that fright is ou mommy to other people and what they want the danger? You know what I mean. You've heard the urban legend this person said so and so into a mirror, Well why not trip the light? Fantastic myself thinks, thousands of other people and that's what's happening here. Uh randon Otica does say you have to get your parents consent to use the app if you're a minor, But how how is that? How is that a real barrier? Right? Who on earth has looked at the you must be up eighteen and up or whatever clicky things on the internet and thought, oh no, the FBI is after now they're gonna get me because I'm sixteen or whatever. This guy when when when I was fourteen? And yeah, I don't know. I think it's worth I think it's it's a it's worth exploring. It be a fun thing to do. I enjoy geo cashing as well, though, so I'm biased. But um, but as far as whether or not intention can affect the random number generation, I don't know. I'm curious. I'm curious, Matt. What do you think? Um? I don't necessarily think it can. But who knows? I mean, prove to me. We're not in the matrix right now, Ben, can you know? You can't? So who knows? Who knows? Um? Maybe there is a way to to game the system. I'm just unaware of it because if I was, I would be using it right now. So well, let's take a break and I'll try and influence this ad to be or what am I going to influence it to be? World of Warcraft? Oh? Man, the weird tense nature of our partnership. All right, I'm there with you, okay. Uh no, Wammy's okay, here goes m Man. We're back. Uh, we'll see, we'll see. It may have worked for someone, um, but you know, there's also the argument that you should do what you want with with the world and with your experience. So kudos to anyone who said I'm gonna help I'm gonna help Doc and the boys out, and I'm just gonna play a World of Warcraft ad on my own, like on YouTube or something. So you made it true for us on the Shadowlands. This next piece came to us, uh, not too long go, and it is uh. It's something that we wanted to share with you all, and we wanted to get your opinions on this. Ralphie K writes to us and says, esteemed colleagues and plubbing the trans mundane, please find a letter attached. It explains everything. We come in peace, afraid be not do please Hail Heiress, All, Hail Discordia. M hmm. That sounds familiar, Hail Heiress. I swear I've heard that before. Mm hmmm. And Discordia. It's not Discworld, that was a whole other thing, but Discordia. M hm. So this came with a an attachment, a letter attached that we uh, we both were a little hesitant about diving into both. I think did a did a preview of the message, maybe compartmentalized before opening it, and when we opened it. I don't know about you, Matt, I'm very glad we did so because we got this wonderful little letter we wanted to share with you. It's a bit um, it's a bit thorough. So I propose that we split the duties up here we tossed the toss the text back and forth between ourselves, and then you know, pause as needed for explanations. First explanation before we begin. What is Discordianism. Uh, it's according to Adam go rightly, it was founded as a parody religion. Adam Go rightly writes a lot about fringe thoughts and research. Uh. It encourages the worship of Heiress, a Greek goddess. It's Heiress in Greek, and it's um Discordia in Latin. So there's a lot of strange stuff we're about to dive into. We're on the edge of the pool, folks. So here we go. Let's start at the top. And as the mad header says, well, we'll start at the beginning, we'll go through the middle, and we'll stop at the end. That's perfect, all right. So rowthy rights from the absurdest historians army and e O O T L g Alum affiliate to the host of stuff. They don't want you to know by name they are. And then it has our our three names. And then what is what is the colon dot, H colan dot, M colan dot and then your name. What is that? I am not familiar with a lot of these abbreviations either UM, right, honorable, the right and honorable. I don't know, benol, it's weird. It's weird. I noticed. Did you notice they didn't put the M on every name? Oh? Yeah, you are the only Mr. Well, maybe we don't know, master master. I don't know. I don't know. It would be misleading. So we've already stopped in and we're already going, what's going on? Please let us know what the R H M means. We are not intimately familiar with this school of thought, so Ralph, he says, esteemed colleagues in trans mundane research. There we go. The callback worked. Allow us to begin with introductions. I have countless names and countless faces. You might call me a denizen of the space exterior to reality. They inhabit a flesh suit at present these days, I wear a red hat and am a quite real and practical magician. That's amazing, And they continue I find your work fascinating, particularly your collective talent for aphorism. We at the A H A are also transfixed by the inexplicable, the hyper novel, the super real, the trans mundane. Yes, in particular R. H. Boland's adage that the great ideas are the force that changes the world. And as the branch of the illuminated conspiracy, your collective insistence on conspiracy realism is refreshing to say, the least great ideas been are the force that changes the world. And I couldn't agree more. Well, Uh, it appears that we're being buttered up for something, Matt. I know, all right, let's get to you. Yes, esteemed colleagues, we the absurdest historians Army are an affiliate branch of the esoteric Order of the Laughing God, itself a branch of the rose Crucian Order of Western Tatra Laughing God, Love it, love it. Uh. We are the present representatives of the radical d z O G C h E N L Vadriana discipline of the romneeing uh At in the Southwestern United States. For our sins, I wonder if that's uh And then they continue the scarlet lodge of force, the crimson Hood or the Red Hats. We seek to directly assault the structural notions of global fascism through art conversation and armed confrontation if necessary. We will kill the idea without touching the body that thinks it fascinating, assaulting the structural notions of global fascism through art conversation and armed confrontation if necessary. Yeah, just throw that one in there, you know, just a dash of that. Okay, Okay, we see you. And then they continue in short, we see what you see. It is in our house now, and we must find it and do now what we can. We practice a wide range of tactics, primarily in the realm of culture jamming and idea. Calm back, God, I love this bend Okay, continuing, But this is a branch of what is referred to as Operation g O T B. We have a document regarding higher metaphysics which would be more of a definite interest to you, and would be happy to send a copy with no strings attached. Let me just say go ahead and send it. Please send it. Also, uh, the skeptic and me does not believe that there are no strings attached because everything is connected? And is this is this not culture jamming in its own right? In some way? Are you not jamming the culture? We're a culture jam bands. So they go on to say, the only reason we have not done so with this letter is due to the general objection of sending unsolicited documents to filmmakers or artists for obvious reasons. However, we explicitly intend find your intention for you to make up your mind what we have with has said no strings were implications attached. We intend also to contact the r h M. There it is again Robert Evans, but he's comparatively difficult to reach for clear reasons. If our Steems colleagues would extend to him our invitation as well, it would be of great assistance and we would be most great. Full belief is not a requirement to experience the mysteries. So they want us to reach out to Rob. Well, Rob, this is us reaching out to you. Can you hear us through the air waves or the pod waves whatever these things are? M Robert, this is interesting stuff. What do you think? He's just doing great, great work. By the way, I can't can't enough about him, but off Tony shows he's got right now and uh, dear listeners highly recommend all of them. We should probably have him on the show at some point. But uh, to our wonderful correspondent, We're so glad to hear that you are aware of and supportive of the work of our h M. Robert Evans. And so now our author goes on to give us what a series of questions? Oh? Yes, in fact, they say, allow me to pose a series of questions. Who am I? Before you immediately read my signature? Who am I? Without that context? Can you guess my name? I am? If it helps please to meet you all, albeit in abstentia? What is anything without its context? Do you see how I just became myself by context? Does anything have any define ability at all without a comparison light and dark? Yes, the light must be bright enough to reveal the dark, and the dark must be deep enough for light to truly appear. Well, let us speak of chaos. I got some chills. That's excellent read man um. It just sounds it sounds like it's writing that perfect line between a supervillain and a superhero, Like they're just they're right there there, the the anti hero that is exploring the edge through counter I don't know what. Let's just talk about chaos, ben okay, chaos, So look around, the letter continues, What is the most abundant thing? What abounds in every place, regardless of what else abounds upon it. What, indeed is the abound er, so to speak, it is chaos unmanifest it is, Yes, and what if it's opposite? Can it be said to have one perhaps anti generation? Yes? What do we call that? Hate or hunger? Maybe the two together? We call it malice? But does chaos not contain all within it, along with all's negation as well? Then malice must balance within the formula if we model it as one. Yes, I love how it also writing style wise, I love how at the end of some you know, larger conclusions it's just a comment. Yes, I'm gonna start writing that way. It sounds good. Yes. Um So, then what is order? Not the opposite of chaos, as Pedestrian philosophy would have it, the opposite of order is disorder, the actual dipole defining the relative motion of neophobia and neophilia, that is, being fear of our fixation on change. It is evident neither is correct entirely, but that one must stand in the middle of a bridge between the two islands. Yes, overall is the overall of chaos nested within it, the hodge and the podge, the aneuristic and the aristic order disorder, the halves of chaos undivided. It is the tension of Hodge and Podge that makes this the world of ten thousand things. Truly too many things come to pass, And inclosing, our author says this is an invitation into the highest mystery. Again interest in wording here afraid be do please not, instructions to continue correspondence, and then um a very direct first person closing here, I promise I am not a serial killer or a stalker. I mean absolutely no harm. Is only an invitation and may be refused with no offense taken. I think any invitation should be something people can refuse with no offense taken under this, under this letter or that part of the letter. It ends with the Scotan has been amantized. And then we see writing in red. Help me out, Matt. That's definitely read right, that is red. Yes, and it also appears it appears to be German. Am I incorrect here? I believe you're correct? Yeah? Or wait, yeah, I'm seeing some It looks germant to me unless we're unless we're going oh wait, it's hail heiriss hail hecate m hm, oh have a infinitum? Interesting? Are they just trying to get us to say these things on air? beIN? Right? Yeah, maybe to amplify the spell? Uh? Now, Matt, as you point out, some parts of this letter are in a different language, and one of those languages is German. We had an interesting discussion off Mike about magic is weaponized psychology and whether we are being asked to in some way amplify a magical working by reading these phrases on the air. Uh. In our reasoning, we don't want to accidentally participate in a spell, whether or not you believe in them. We certainly don't want to accidentally draw in you, our fellow conspiracy realist as as part of uh, members of a spell. So we figured we would read the English translation of some of these phrases, and that probably won't have the same effect, right if I understand this correctly? H One hopes that this was not anticipated. Yes, Oh, well done, Matt. Okay, So all right, let's do it. Though, what do you think you want to hear the English? I? Why don't you do one? I'll do the middle one and then you do the last one. Is that? Okay? Okay? Okay? Alright, for just from that top phrase. Okay, great, So the first phrase is eternal flower power, eternal acid power. Is that what you're getting? That's what I'm saying. And the last one is I see the fourth color, Oh you do, which is I'm partially color blind. I need all the all the colors like I get. So we looked in and it doesn't seem like um, it doesn't seem like anything malevolent, you know what I mean. They're great little observations, aphorisms, uh, concepts. Everything is true, nothing is permitted. Will that stop you? Have you ever noticed that the only things you notice are the things you notice? You just did? Dude? I love that again? Afraid B do not please? But can I read the next part? Here says one day you will read this message and wonder at how much has changed. We are the Illuminati. Curiously, that statement we are the Illuminati is in all caps except for the A and R of R and ben. I am not familiar with that practice of spelling it in that way or writing it in that way. Uh, that's certainly new to me. And I, you know, throughout this entire thing, I feel like such a novice in all of the transmundane. Um, I need to level up a lot. I'm fully on board. This is a weird, seems kind of cool. I'm fascinated. I've seen some stuff like this before, but not addressed specifically to us. So we're flattered. Were very flattered. Um, let's check in. I don't want to put you too much on the spot code named doc, but what do you think of what you just heard? That's that's what I got. Okay, okay, it's working. I don't know. The discord has been sown, the chaos has been sparked. All are confused being not please. Oh boy, this is getting to be a lot. Um. Let's take a quick break and we're back, very well further into the depths. So a real and practicing magician. Yeah, our our author identifies themselves as meaning then that you have enacted, um, what are sometimes described as magical works. I would love to hear examples of that. Would love to hear more explorations of this. I think for outsiders, one thing that becomes pretty confusing is the nature of what would be maybe called applied effect versus the more philosophical metaphysical concerns and spiritual navigation. So I think seeing that together in a combined system can be confusing to a lot of people. But the first thing this reminded me of that because I am a relatively simple person, is the Illuminatous Trilogy. Do you remember these books? I certainly there are many references in here. In fact, tell me correct me if I'm wrong, Ben, But I believe that phrase. That phrase right towards the end there is ripped directly out of the Illuminatous Trilogy. The Blue Men craft part there, the flower power is that not ripped from the Luminatus trilogy? Well you know this, this hailed Discordia stuff is definitely in there. I don't know where they pulled it from though, right, h But there are things in there like the twenty three enigma, which is the idea that twenty three is a magical or somehow significant number. And in the principal Discordia, which is kind of the religious text of the Discordian belief system, is written by Greg Hill and Carrie Wendell formally um in that you'll see a claim about twenty three that says all things happen in fives or are divisible by or a multiples of fives, where somehow indirectly or directly appropriate to five. Uh, that's the law of fives, and twenty three is regarded as a coroll area that law because two plus three equals five. That's the kind of territory we're diving into here. Very clear. Um. You know, we could also say that the reason we have base five and base ten kind of numbers is actually very simple. It's because that's the number of philanges or digits we have. Now, those phalanges, they've really they've really just sent us, you know, sent us on a path just because of these things. Man, Yes, yep, because these hands. Now, if we all had six fingers, it would be you know, we would have a like a base twelve kind of situation going on. It's pretty reasonable if for some reason we all had six fingers. Do octopuses have like a base eight reasoning or or maybe not because each each arm has kind of its own brain. Anyway, that's that's an episode for another day. But Ah, this letter was such a refreshing surprise, and it's something that you know, we always want to be honest with you folks. We don't understand something. It's something that's a little over my head. I don't. I didn't catch a lot of these references, especially given that there was a follow up is entirely not in not in an alphabetic language that would be familiar to a lot of people, for sure. Well, now I'm just gonna go down rabbit hole after rabbit hole of stuff that is included in this message, and I'm not going to stop for a long time. And really, I just want to learn more about the Scarlet Lodge of Force or the Crimson Hood. I I feel like I'm aware of the Crimson Hood, but the Scarlet Lodge of Force I'm going to learn as much as possible about. Same same matt uh hard same, let us hard. Let's say, uh, that sounds like it could be a weird album title or someone you know what, It's like a Mick Mick Jagger solo album. It's like Mick Jagger hard Same. Why does that feel somehow often weird? I don't know. Well, it's just the hard um, the Crimson Force. I'm not going to get the Crimson Force out of my head or the Scarlet Force, sorry, the Scarlet Force, the Crimson something so cool? Yes, yeah, And this this also has an interesting tie in to our earlier exploration of Randa nautica, right, the idea that intention alone can alter the world in ways science has yet to understand. What's fascinating here is that we know this is to a degree true when it comes to observation of actions, very very small things, right, like whether light is a particle or a wave to slit experiment, and so on. But does that indicate anything larger? Does that indicate my I don't want to sound dismissive, I'm just want to think of examples. Does that indicate, for example, that a vision board can meditating in front of a vision border, just meditating on your own Does that somehow alter the world around you? Or does it simply alter the way that you experience reality. I guess the question is really phenomenological at some point, phenomenological experience, meaning that we're not changing the outer world. We're sort of changing our consciousness with new information or new opinions or new beliefs, and we are affecting that change most readily by our interaction with external objects of our direct experience. So like, are we changing the world? Are we changing our minds about the world? That's that's kind of the big question. Man. I remember when Back in the day, I used to get that Reagano and make use of it, and I would have these kinds of thoughts all the time. Ben, I want to let you know I'm going back to a Reagano officially because of this letter. You're back. You're back on the the Gato. I'm going directly to that sweet, sweet reagano. So, um yeah. So this has given us a lot to think about. I think both of us are going to be uh digging deeper into this. Um yeah. We massively appreciate the follow up document there with a little bit more about metaphysics, because I think what's intimidating to a lot of people in this sort of situation is finding a starting point, you know what I mean? How do I begin to understand these very specific allusions, references and so on, or should I? Is this just an act of culture jamming? And if so, what are your favorite acts of culture jamming, dear listeners. I'll tell you, Matt there there's some great examples of this in the illumin Honest trilogy. Some of my favorites have always been fake signs, just fake signs that are just plausible enough. Like one of the best examples in Illuminatus trilogy. This is not a spoiler. Uh. Someone goes into a very fancy department store and there's a sign that says, you know, like you have to have shirt and shoes for service, etcetera. So they altered this sign and they put up a different sign. Can't know what it is, but the only changes it just they add they added the line like no spitting. And this was in a really fancy store, and so customers will be very turned off when they walk in and they're like, is spitting a problem here? Spitting a sign was necessary? So that's why I like culture Jammy like that, like putting up I used to put up a lot of fake lost photos um or lost notices flyers. Yeah, like uh, I had one that was like a lost parrot, and the whole thing was like, please don't bring him back. He's a monster. Uh, runaway from see him. That's pretty funny. Don't make eye contact, don't listen to his name, don't listen to what he says. He will lead you astray. That's amazing. Oh well, that's really great. Hey, this has nothing to do with that. I'm so sorry. I had a picture just flash in my mind as a family. We watched this new Pixar movie, Soul. It just came out pretty glorious as it includes a different view of eternity and the construct of the universe and the metaverse and all that is reality and unreality. I would just recommend it for, you know, maybe not super young kids, but anyone who has a budding curiosity about how life functions and and all of that stuff. It's just it's an inspirational story. I would say, all right, one for the adults too. Yeah, oh yeah, I cried my eyes out every time. Cheers Pixar. Pixar is Yeah, they've got a formula. It works. Um, yes, I I would love to check that out on your recommendation, net. I'm also going to be rereading Illuminatius trilogy. Want to hear your examples of culture jamming. Just one more personal example. I've put up a I think the dumbest one is I put up missing posters for a boomerang, and the instructions were always just like wait here, uh so, let us know what you think. What kind of a little place like that you've done. 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