From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my name is all they called me Ben. We're joined as always with our super producer Alexis code named Doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you are you. You are here, and that makes this the stuff they don't want you to know. If you are hearing this the day it comes out, then congratulations. You may well have survived Thanksgiving. Get together with your friends and family and you know, the family that you see twice a year or so, and I hope you had a good time after the fact. Something that would have been fun to bring up in conversation to deflect from whatever awkward political um peeping contest might have been going down that Thanksgiving is the question that Ben post just as we were getting ready to podcast. What do the people of Turkey called a Turkey? Yes, yeah, we're we're all about the issues here. We found the answer. By the way, Turkey the bird is not native to Turkey the country, but the people are very much aware of it, and the name for it is apparently Hindi, meaning Indian, based on the idea that the bird originates from that part of the world. So yeah, kind of like they pulled a bit of a Christopher Columbus, didn't they. Yeah, yeah, just so because they misnamed something, right, That's how we ended up with with the Indies to begin with. Um, yeah, you're right, that's something we should have thought about in time for the November episodes. But you know what, the next year, next year, back pocket that one, yes, backpocket that way, or just you know, bring it up in like March, switch it, switch it up, keep them guessing, keep them on their toes and conversation. People still eat turkey around the Christmas holidays. That's true. That's true, they do. And today we are dedicating time to some amazing conversations from our fellow conspiracy realists. Uh, many of which relate to some earlier episodes or earlier explorations we've did in Strange News or listener mail. And I Love You brought up the idea of deflection because one of the tried in true ways to deflect an awkward conversation with a family member or a loved one. You might have those coming up towards the end of the year, whatever holidays you celebrate. One of the best ways to deflect a conversation is to get people to talk about their dreams. People are continually mystify by their dreams. We have a pretty comprehensive two part episode on some strange things about the world of sleep. We've got one two part episode on dreams. We've got another episode on sleep paralysis. And people are fellow conspiracy realists often reach out to us hoping that together, not just with Matt Noel and myself, but together with you listening right now, we can figure out some possible interpretations, or we can figure out maybe some possible scientific explanations for what's going on when you're asleep. Because get this, folks, science is still is a dent. Sure they know the mechanisms, scientists know the mechanisms that occur, but as far as what your dreams are saying to you and how and what is being communicated. If there is purposeful communication, it quickly gets into the realm of the philosophical Is that fair? Would you guys agree with that? Yeah? And and the how? So we can only know as much as you tell us, right, and uh, then we just make a substance based on that. But what if your dreams are trying to tell you something? Huh uh segum. We had a listener by the name of Lauren right into us, asking that very question, or proposing that she maybe has a sense of the answer. Um. Hi, guys, I was listening to your listener male segment where you talked about recurring dreams, and I found Ben's theory of how your subconscious mind can be trying to remind you or make you aware of something in your waking life. That then had me thinking of an interesting concept of whether dreams can be predictive in the sense whether it's possible to dream something and have it come true in your real or waking life. Ever since I could remember, I've had very vivid dreams. I'm a clinically diagnosed insomniac. It's very hard for me to sleep at night, but when I do, I'm an active, lucid dreamer. Uh. We've been deep into the dream content lately, so much so that oftentimes I'm not aware I'm in that state at all until something unpleasant happens in my dream and I suddenly change it. Side note, that would also be an interesting topic to dive into, how one can change or control what happens in their dreams and how it happens in the first place, because skill I had before I even knew what it was, and we very much did cover that in a recent Listener Mail or Strange News episode. I can't remember, but it was just like a week or so ago. Um. Anyways, I often have very vivid dreams and real dreams. Many times, something happens in my dreams that comes true in my waking life later, whether it's an event, someone dying, or something as simple as someone saying something or doing something they did in my dream. Sometimes these dreams will come true days later or even years later, but they come true. For example, I had a dream that one of my uncles died from a heart attack. I dreamt going to the funeral with my parents and remember seeing and feeling how distraught everyone was. I even remember the clothing our family war to his service. This dream happens several years ago, and I had put it out of my mind, hoping it wouldn't be a dream that would come true, just a nightmare. Well, last year, that same uncle passed away from a heart attack. And get this, when we went to his funeral service and met up with family, they were all wearing the exact same outfits they were in my dream and were acting the same exact way they were in my dreams, even down to their movements. There's another incident of a dream coming true for me where I dreamt of walking along Desconzo Gardens here in l A with my siblings. While we were walking, my sister had come across a rabbit that crossed our path and ducked under some bushes. My sister pointed out to me um and crouched down to take a picture. Just then her phone fell on the dirt and she cursed before picking it up. I had dreamt this days before. Uh. They suggested we go, and the same exact sequence of events with the rabbit came true. She was even wearing the outfit she was in my dream. I've had many dreams like this before, and every time they've come true. So I guess my question to you guys would be if there's a theory out there or if you'd be willing to do a more in depth episod so about dreams and whether something like this is possible. We know of the theory that your dreams can be trying to remind you of something in your making life, but can they also be telling you something that's going to happen in the future. Well, Lauren, you're in luck. We actually have a two part series on this that we did a couple of years ago, if I'm not mistaken. UM. It is called have Dreams Really Predicted the Future? Parts one and two respectively, UM. And we've got some interesting examples from history, one UM involving Abraham Lincoln, and one I think involving Mark Twain Ben Um. Abraham Lincoln supposedly had a dream. It was reported by his his bodyguard, a guy named Ward Hill Laman UM, and it is in his UM his biography, the story that was, you know, told by this bodyguard UM the idea that Lincoln had premonitions of his own death. According to the story, just a couple of days before he was assassinated on April fourteenth, eighteen sixty five, Lincoln told the tale of this dream that he had had. Where a small group including his wife, Mary Todd Lincoln, and Laman himself Um, he walked into the east room of the White house to find a covered corpse, guarded by soldiers and surrounded by a small group of mourners. UM. When Lincoln asked in the dream one of the soldiers who had died, the soldier applied the president he was killed by an assassin. And also Lincoln had a very interesting relationship with this bodyguard. He supposedly insisted to Laman that the body on display was not his own. Um, so he himself did not view the dream as a you know, a premonition of his own uh and um. But there's lots of kind of speculation in this may or may not have actually taken place, casting downs on Laman's story. Well, this also wouldn't have been something widely reported because at least not in Lincoln's short lifetime, because if it were, it would be it would present a perfect opportunity to question the guy's mental being at the time. In Society and the Mark Twain story, we mentioned that in the two part episode which uh I think I really enjoy Lauren, we mentioned this this dream anecdote specifically because I sat through the entire uh multi volume autobiography of Mark Twain, which was dictated by him on his deathbed. I understood the importance of editors, even for someone as good as Samuel Clemens, like you gotta you gotta summarize at some point, you know. But but in that in that story, in that autobiography, he talks about how he dreamt of his brother Henry's funeral before it occurred, and it leads us to a really interesting discussion about something called retro causality. Retro Causality is such a weird, weird, weird thing. We don't have to get in the weeds on it here. But that episode is out. It's specifically part two of that episode where we talk about this idea of a backwards cause an effect. No spoilers, so we're gonna say about that. But uh, A lot of people listening to this show today have had an experience like yours. My family as well. It's quite common on the oddly enough on the on the bull and or melungeon side of my family. UM, one brief anecdote, and I'm sure many people have these in their families, But one brief anecdote. UM, an uncle of mine who was a brilliant, somewhat sketchy dude. When he was the age of six, he was going to go on a camping trip with a kid his age, a friend of his, and that kid's father. The night before, he had a dream, a vision that greatly disturbed him, in which the boat was struck by lightning, and uh, the everybody on boat died. So he refused to go get in trouble for being rude. And that Saturday, I believe it was a Saturday, lightning instruct the boat. There was not a storm. Apparently lightning struct the boat and the man and his son died. Uh. And this is this is one of those things that makes you really question how far the concept of coincidence can go, you know, because those are very specific circumstances, and you might have encountered the same thing. When you realize whoa everybody this is a scene from my dream. Everybody's wearing the same thing. It gets really creepy when you see multiple, multiple real life commonalities with what you've dreamed about. Like you might dream about a tiger, and then you can go to a zoo and see a tiger. But that's not amazing, right, that's just I mean, tigers are amazing, but a zoo is the place you'd be most likely to see them. You know what I mean, what is that called like bat ter mine huff or something like that, or the idea that like when something's on your mind, you start start to notice it everywhere. Yeah, in the case in the case of a rabbit running across your path at the zoo's Yeah right, this wasn't that a zoo though, this was just walking around in some gardens. It was just like it was a it was a wild rabbit, and it was her idea to go out there, and she had the dream before. Mm hmm. I think it's cool. I think it's endlessly fascinating. It's super cool. I mean obviously, you know, I mean I think people a lot of people are just starting to get into Dune, you know, because of this this DENI even a new film which I thought was quite good. But dream premonitions play a huge part in that film. Um. You know, the character of paul A tradees constantly dreaming of the character that he will ultimately meet in you know, the Deserts of Dune um Aracus played by Zazzy Beats, which is the best name in um in entertainment. Uh. And then you know that becomes a really really important part of the story and then like this idea of precognition is a huge part of like that kind of with the weirding way and all of that stuff, and like it kind of ties in with the voice and all of that. Oh man, I I don't want to spoil these episodes for you, Lauren, but I get so excited every time that we have the opportunity to chat a little bit more about this in the Waking world, because I have I didn't understand for a long time that the way I dream is not normal, But there's there's something interesting we get into the concept of time travel. The we have we have to spoil is one thing. The rules of reality in the universe is as we encounter them now, as we recognize them collectively, they're kind of um. They're they're pretty solid for what we would say the middle of the size and time spectrum. But when you get to the really really big, big, big big stuff and to the very very very very small things, those rules are not as iron bounds nor as constant as they appear from our current, very limited perspective. It seems that at the quantum level, time may flow in more than one direction simultaneously, and we get really into like brain science, because your brain is made up, of course, a very very tiny things. What are your thoughts made of? You know? How did they move? Well? Man, okay, this is weird. Like full disclosure, we're recording this on a Tuesday, and this feels like a a Friday conversation, doesn't It sounds like a conversation now. I'm just playing um that we have been talking about this a lot, and I think it's something on many of our minds, weird dreams and possibly predicting the future or really truly we're living a past event through our minds in that little time machine that is closed off, you know, to everything else, and yet we still have senses in there, or we experience senses when we're in there. I mean that it's the flat circle thing. It's the how is it possible that something like that could occur? Is time really what we think it is? Uh? Boy Ben time time? Yeah? Yeah, man, it's a It's strange because what we have to realize is that, of course there is something that will be endlessly fascinating about the world, the separate world that so many people enter when they fall asleep. But there's also a bit of arrogance However, well intentioned in thinking that we we collectively as a civilization, have everything about this figured out, that is very much not the case. There is a ton of great research going into dreams. Dreams are one of the oldest oldest forms of study of the mind in human history. Right empires roves and based on dreams. Wars were waged or ended based on dreams, and even today, I don't know. I think we brought this up more recently than the dream episode, but world leaders will still have like do stuff based on a dream they had. It is not near as uncommon as you might think. And I know, I know it's one you're thinking. Shouldn't it be some sort of AI that's telling them what to do running a simulation? Yes, But if they have a dream was something happening? Uh, then they might double check the AI. They might go with the dream. Who's gonna stop him? What are you gonna doot? Sorry, voting matters, decision. Oh, come on, it's two thousands twenty one, man, we don't vote anymore. It's a futile gesture. I'm kidding, it's important, Um, you know, speaking of dream though, I'm very excited and I hope I'm not let down by the upcoming Netflix adaptation of The Sad Man. If you're into dreams, uh and fantasy and you know mythology and like witchy stuff, UM, highly recommend checking out those graphic novels before the show comes out. Um. It's worth doing in and of itself, and hopefully it will enhance and not detract from your enjoyment of the show, and hopefully it doesn't suck. But very much looking forward to that. But I think this is a really interesting topic. And thank you for sharing, Lauren. And we're gonna take quick break and be back with some more messages from you. All right, and we're back now. We did a two part series on trade craft year old craft, the craft that is not cheese board like the craft just like that one. Just and uh. We've gotten some very interesting voice messages in some that I don't think we should play in the air. We've been asked to not play on the air this one. However, the person leaving it gave us permission. I'm going to leave their name that they supplied us, let's say in there. And Ben, I particularly want to get your take on this because I did ask that you not listen to this before we go live to get you. Just take uh live in the moment, nol. I want the same from you, if that's okay. This is a person telling us some stories. All right, here we go. Hi, this is Jim. I was just enjoying your multiple episodes on trade craft and I wanted to share three stories I had with you. In the late eighties, my father got a job with the U N and we moved from small town Maine to Vienna, Austria, and at that time Austria, being neutral, was the center of trade craft um. While I was there in high school, we had several things go on. One of them was there was once a presentation into the students by a Marine guard named Lone Tree, who was talking about the pride he had of being a marine and being a Novajo tied with the whole code talkers from World War Two. A few months later, he was arrested for treason because when he was a embassy member in Vienna and in Moscow, he got caught in the honey pot staying and was giving secrets to his Russian girlfriend. The next thing that was interesting is I had a friend and his dad was posted as the US Military Defense at cash, say in Vienna, and with job came a nice kind of big house, probably had secure rooms or whatever communications. But the thing we enjoyed, me and my friend is it had a nice flat roof and in the winter we would go up on the roof because there was an active probably for helicopters who knows, and throw snowballs at the white panel truck that was always parked just out front of their house until the Russian listening team would come out and sweare this and Russian and we would laugh and go back inside. That was always fun. The last thing I wanted to share is there's a bar in Vienna and I can't remember the name, but when you go in, if they know you, or once you order your drink and they can identify your nationality, they play a bit of your national anthem, so all the other members in the trade in the bar can identify who you're playing for. So it was quite interesting because you know, people would go in and they would immediately identify them that they worked for the CIA in the US, and the national anthem would go on, or you know, the Russian anthem would go on when someone else orders a drink, just to make an even playing field for all the spies there. Well, thank you for the great podcast and keep up the great work. Oh wow, yeah, thanks John. Three separate stories in there that I thought, I think we're discussing. No, that is, let's hold that up for the class. That is, that is how you do a phone call, packed it in lots of good, nutritious information and that very short call. Well done, star student. So is this bar move kind of like a flex is it? Is it like to intimidate? Is it to like kind of say like, we know who you are and you can't you can't trick us. What's the point of that? Maybe maybe a little? I would say it's more to maintain it as a safe ground because the thing is neutral, like a Switzerlands kind of which Vienna is, as Jim pointed out, a hotbed at this time in the Cold War. So there's something else that's important. It's going on here, And people don't talk about this often, but I guarantee you you have been in a conversation like this before, when you were talking with someone, maybe at an acrimonitious level, and you're you're lying to them and they're lying to you, and you both know that you're both lying, and what you have a conversation about, oddly enough, tends to pretty much be very close to the truth because you're just able to suss out what the motivation for the song and dance you're doing. And so if you walk in, if we have a Matt walk in and then um, Matt, just pick a country at random. Okay, Matt walks in and that is a nice choice actually for this that walks in. Uh the Polish. The statue of the Polish theme song is playing, and and noll uh you know you're there to meet an asset from Poland, right that you've never you haven't known before. And you probably would have some kind of um physical description. It would be something easy to get rid of, like a specific type of hat that wouldn't stick out too much. And then you might have rose perhaps right just like seal just by a Rows comes on and they're like, okay, the Polish guys here, uh you know the the The other thing would be some kind of code phrase or interaction. Um. But and you would instantly know it's the bar's way of making everybody have their cards on the table. And also, I bet, I bet it's possible to game that system. I'm sure many people tried, right, right, And Okay, so there's so many things I want to talk about, but let's stick with the bar for now. I love that you're already thinking that way, Ben, because that to me, if we're talking about someone who's perhaps a double agent or working, you know, for another one of the numerous embassies and other mission like missions that exist from other countries within Vienna Austria. Uh, you could go in there order you know, some drink, let's say, that would maybe just point you out as, oh, this guy's from Yugoslavia, but you're not actually from Yugoslavia. You're working to game somebody who is there from Yugoslavia, and you wear a particular thing that looks like I mean, dude, I love that concept. Um. The whole point of it occurring there in Vienna Austria is because, as you said, been like Switzerland, like several other places that were kind of close in proximity to the Soviet Union at the time, and some of the countries that were Soviet block it was it was just a highly strategic place, especially for Western spies and for you know, Allies, Allied spies and everybody kind of had their people there and it was it's a very interesting time, especially in the eighties as well, honestly as well as right now. Vienna, Austria, it is a a place where spies gathered, where intelligence is gained. And there's a great BBC article you can check out right now titled Vienna Nest of Spies, Why Austria is still Center for Espionage was written in by Bethany Bell, and uh, there's way more stuff in there just like that, including an article from The Cipher Brief, which is a book review that just came out this month, and it is, uh, it's just looking at all of the different actors that were and are at play in Vienna, Austria. Yeah, there's another thing that um, probably a lot of people in the US don't know about unless you're in the game. Austria to this day has some of the most relaxed espionage or spying laws of any country in the world. And it hasn't changed since the fall of the Austro Hungarian Empire, despite two World Wars, despite the Cold War. You want to, you know, you want to really get into into some espionage stuff. Um, Austria is in Vienna specifically, it's a It's a good place to consider. The only problem is, at times, like a pool in a savannah and the grassland during a drought, you're gonna run into a lot of other animals that you would normally avoid. Well, that sounded unnecessarily cryptic, but it's true. There are a lot of people. There are a lot of thirsty spies out there, you know, if we want to make that analogy even more painful, the bar is the pool, who is the law? Okay, we haven't considered here. As a bar of this type, um would have to have a pretty wide selection of spirits, you know what I mean, from different like parts of the world. Like when you mentioned what would someone from Yugoslavia drink? I looked it up, and Um, there's a very popular Serbian drink called rakija that is made from fermented fruit, And that would be exactly the kind of thing that when they would have to have in a place like this that you wouldn't typically see in like your neighborhood pub or like things like grappa, you know, like from Italy and maybe different types. So I mean, it just seems like that would be sort of the stock in trade of a place like this. In order for for a drink to be so specifically tied to someone's nationality, they'd have to have some like kind of outside of the box stuff. Yeah, you can only imagine that would be an interesting way to you identify someone, but it could be gamed, as we mentioned. So just a couple of other things and we'll get out of here for this one. But that first story, someone who was pretty well known who was going around doing speaking engagements at high schools. Who was he saying? This person was He's a Marine guard and part of the Navajo program. Yeah, which is just for anyone who doesn't know, I think we should explain that real quick. That's yes. So there was this program. Two, it was a new approach for the US to cryptography. They said, well, let's take let's take these members of the Navajo speaking community and let's have them communicate with one another. Because Navajo is as a language to an outsider, would be very difficult for enemy forces to crack. It's later been popularized in various war fires, particularly in the Vietnam era. But these people did an invaluable service to their country, and they were in a very dangerous situation. They were in a UM. The code talkers were kind of a well put bluntly, the best way to compromise a code that effective would be to capture someone who speaks that language. So they were very much in a situation where there were serious conversations about killing them rather than allowing them to be captured, which is a dark thing to think about. Also, the correct name for Navajo language, I believe is DNA d I N disrespect where it's new. When you think about it as a strategy, it's pretty brilliant, you know, And indigenous people native to the land upon which you live and operate, you know, any any of your enemies that live far away especially, aren't going to have any idea how to how to decode that. It's World War two and then Korean War, Vietnam War. I mean, there's no way a round it. It worked, so that guy obviously would seem to be a v I P right, a high value target. UM. But one thing a lot of people don't talk about, and I'm sure we've got some calls into three S T D W Y T K about this, is that information like actionable useful information in the world of spying is it's what's called highly perishable. So if you knew everything that was going down in like this specific country or this specific operation several decades ago, it's not it's quickly going to become way less useful than you might think. So keep that in mind when you try to try to turn and become a spy yourself for a foreign power. They may not want your stuff. They may already know, yeah, or they may want it right now. And then that's it when you learned it and what it's, what it's in regard to. But he felt for the two ten rule, didn't he met? Did he fell for the rule? Just be careful who you sleep with and or co work with or whatever you want to call it, because that sounds like the most canoodle upon somebody. That sounds very liscilious. I'm sure, I'm sure it is. Um that was That was the other thing, just s don't do that because you will sell your secrets because you have to. And then what was the other one? Was the other ones about being on a roof at the defense at Tiche's house and throwing stuff at the panel van that has the spies in it. Yeah, until they got irritated and came out like you digs. Uh, there's I do have a question for that one, Matt. And this is this is a question for Jim as well. Um. Given the high density of government representatives, both clandestine and official, in the at this time, um, and given how small the world of espion onge tradecraft can feel at times, is it possible that like my assumption, I want to be unfair here, but my assumption is the defense attach a and his team not only know that the Russians are spying, but they might know those Russians, you know, there might even be It sounds weird, but but this stuff can get so incredibly absurd and surreal it wouldn't be a total surprise if one day, as a flex or just as basic human decency, the attache or someone who works for walks out to the van and they've got like some drinks, you know, they got like some leimonade, maybe some snacks. How are you guys doing? Okay? Well, stay warm because uh, we know you have to stay here for another three hours and we know where you will go when you leave. Enjoy eliminated, right, Like That's that's how stuff like this happens sometimes. Yeah, yeah, I don't know. Absolutely absolute last thing, guys, there's an article in the New Yorker that I thought would pique your interest. Remember the Havana syndrome that we talked about. Oh yeah, that's due for a full episode, I think update time. Well it's uh, the new hot spot is in Vienna at least as of July, so just something to think about. It's weird all these embassies getting targeted. That's strange. They're just diplomats, right, that's strange that somebody would target them with I don't know, microwave weapons, maybe weird stuff. If you're being facetious, I got it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right. No, it's true. Okay, sorry, sorry, man, I'm just not good at decoding sarcasm sometimes I just have to make sure we're on the same dude, not at all. You're great at it. We're a real snark snarky sup. Well that's the thing, you know. Circumstances actually may find me in Vienna for just just they s yes, seriously, it's true. Before these phone calls. But I will report back and let you know. Um, I'll hit up some bars and see if I can I can find the right one, and then we'll update it and we'll see what nationality they thought it was. That's the thing. I wake up in the morning, I brush my teeth, and I stare in the mirror and I go, Ben is not a spy. Ben is not ancel Yeah, And I didn't say yeah like it was in the midst of a very serious conversation as well. No, no, no, I think uh. I think Vienna must be a beautiful place, and I I have not been there yet. So we'll see how. We'll see how travel restrictions go. There's a the news isn't looking great out of every European country. Um, you don't want to get stuck in? Should I be concerned? I'm going to Berlin in February. Honestly, man, get the booster. If you haven't be careful. Oh you mean just if you you have to test to get back in the country, and if you actually accident like get it, then you're stuck. That's all you're saying. You maybe you may be stuck. Well, the US doesn't. The US legally does not refuse entry to U. S. Citizens. So it's kind of like if you can get on the plane, if you can get back over the ocean, you get to the U. S. You go through customs, you might you know what, we should ask for stories from some of our fellow conspiracy realists who have traveled internationally in the past few months. And with that, thank you very much Jim for calling in giving those stories to us. Any other stories like that you want to send in? We are all ears. We are a listening post for your stories. Uh and also you listening right now. We want to hear your stuff too. Our numbers one, three, three, std W y t K call in, please leave a message. We'll tell you more later. All right, We'll be right back with more messages from you. And we have returned. This is this is interesting. I'm looking forward to seeing where this conversation leads us today. So Shag Wise or Shag Whizzy a k A. Hansi Packer Jr. Right, So, I know, I know it's like the YouTube days. I loved it when people would make these amazing, articulate, insightful, profound points and I would have to say, like, that is an excellent summation and that's an interesting perspective. Thank you so much. But Daddy sixty nine x x X, you know I I do agree with your thoughts on the gold standard in the eight hundreds. But but yeah, so Hansie Packer A K. Hansi Packer Jr. Excuse me, uh A K. Shag Wizzy write soon and says hey, Ben Matton Noell. First of all, thanks for all the great work you do. I've never found another podcast, video series, radio show that does as good a job of evaluating alternative theories. Fairly thanks man. Uh it is a breath of fresh air, especially in this post truth era. I've been listening to podcast since the very beginning, started with YouTube videos. It was stuff that once you know, that turned me onto how stuff works in its entirety. We don't get that often. I hope you've been enjoying and appreciating my heart. As a current a parent parent company, I hope they let you speak up as freely as you need. I have a request for you three Several times you have mentioned psychedelics and their associated effects and experiences, machine ells, alternate dimensions, trauma therapy. The list goes on. I have another Well, you're in the right place, Shaguy, because we love to talk about this stuff. One night several months ago, you say I consumed a smallish dose of magical mushrooms alongside some cannabis. Hands. He points out that a smallish dose for this person is one point five grams, and that they use three point five grams as a standard full dose, a big boy dose or whatever. Does that check out with you, guys? Maybe? No, I mean three point five grams is an eighth of an ounce. That's typically, you know, what you would buy a minimum amount of psychedelic mushrooms, and um, if you wanted to really have a heroic dose, as Terence McKenna puts, you, every last one of them. But um, typically I think folks are more looking for maybe something a little more mellow. But it's also a lot of just kind of gross dry shrimmage to consume. Yeah, it's gotta It's one of those things where you're probably not eating it for the taste anyway. So hands, he says. As my friend continue to watch television, I went to the back room, burned some sage, meditated. After quite some time, I glimned several images of Nazi imagery flowing before my closed eyes, Tanks waving flags, marching in line with the mud, fires, burning books, salutes, and so on. It was disconcerting, but not anxiety written. Then a name came into my mind, a name not written out, maybe spoken, but just known, A name that implied great intimacy like I had known it well, A name that perhaps had been my own Hans Becker, or, to be truthful, of another spelling. Since it was not written out for me, though the name is wholly unfamiliar to me, I can't claim without a doubt that it was a past life of mine. I researched the name to the best of my abilities, found a handful of appropriate Wikipedia entries about various Hans Beckers that I did not know my ignorance notwithstanding, A skeptic might point out the fact that I watched many World War Two documentaries as a kid, and it's entirely possible that a decorated S S officer may have been mentioned in passing. If that's the Hans Becker that have been mentioned, then it's possible that some obscure neuropathway have been opened up due to the magic mushrooms, and I misinterpreted the connection in the same way that cases of demonic possession speaking in tongues glossal alia can be written off as exposure to that language tangentially in university been here hands, the specifically name checks the exorcism of Emily Rose. Here's hands these question for us? This is what I ask of you. Is Becker a footnote of history I may have come across via s m TV documentary. I've gone out of my way to not read many books or do any in depth research into World War Two for most of my life, or our magical mushrooms, something more, something they don't want you to know. Can you find anything about a Hans or Hans or Hans with a Z or Hans Becker or Becker or Beckert that would undermine my past life revelation theory? Or if your plates are just too full, I get that. I'd appreciate any tips on how to research for this name. Um and then we've got some great pss uh the ps. The rest of that night was pleasant. My friend and I laid in the backyard to watch the stars as we took front row of our giant stone spaceship on our path through the cosmos. Also, I saw cheese this, oh man oh, and then Jeffrey Epstein didn't kill himself. A couple others. Great point, great points, all great points all HANSI Packer, Well, what do you guys, what do you guys think? Um, this gave me cloud Atlas vibes. It's it's a story that I really love. I know the movie adaptation isn't the same as the book, of course, but David Mitchell is a wonderful author, and it's quite a profound philosophy that he brings forward. Um. Now, Matt, I believe it's you among us that generally just doesn't believe in the idea of reincarnation, right, Like, it's a nice idea, But person I thought you said that. I thought you said that a while back. You know, I probably did, because I currently don't. I. Um, I want to get too personally, had a cousins a little older that truly believed she was a Chinese man in a past life, and she she had all of the details of her time during a certain dynasty, um laid out before her in some kind of you know, other state, and I truly believed it for some time. I don't know she currently still believes it. But it definitely put me off a little bit, just because it seemed so strange and not real to me. But then, of course I've read a lot, We've learned a lot I've personally learned a ton over the course of years doing the show with you guys, and uh, I'm more interested without fully being on board. I feel that I feel that way all about a lot of things in terms of religion, like many aspects of religion like I'm fascinated by. I would not say that I can whole wholly count anything out because I don't know enough to know whether it's knowable or not. That makes sense, And I feel that way about reincarnation. The logistics of it fascinate me. It requires a lot of kind of magical thinking, you know, and a real uh co sign on some you know, kind of articles of faith. But um, it's a cool idea for sure, and it's it's also obviously wrap up in a lot of different religions and that kind of parallel thinking way. I also learned something interesting just now. The writer David Mitchell, who wrote Cloud Atlas, is the co writer of the new Matrix movie Full Circle makes Sense. He's the man for it. He also wrote a He also wrote a novel that is not going to come out for uh like a hundred years something. He did it for a charity. It immediately went into a time capsule. I believe the name of this story is from me flows what you call time, which is a great title, right and uh and so yeah, this guy is is very talented author. But who was he in his past life? Who will he be next time around? Who is Hans Becker? So I looked into this a little bit and hands he there. There's some interesting things you are right as as you already know, there was a Hans Becker who was in the SS during World War Two. He passed away in August of nineteen. He was killed in action in France. You can find photos of him. You can find him mentioned in books like A Retreat to the Reich by Samuel W. Mitchem, also a junior. And uh, and you can you know when you see photos here, he's not necessarily one of the big like the big players, you know what I mean. He's not the subject of a history documentary. But he's also maybe not the Hans you're looking for, if we were just to do a Jedi hand motion, not the Hans you're looking for. There are multiple people alive now today named Hans Becker. It's a name shared by many people. I think you make a great point about not having encountered the spelling. So you heard a disembodied voice, or you had a feeling it just appeared in your mind. It is possible that you may be remembering something that just sort of floated up to the surface of your conscious man without you know, and you don't know where it came from. But to your earlier point, no, it would be I think it's it's both arrogant and irresponsible to assume that we do know exactly what caused it. In either direction, Um, life after death has never been proven, reincarnation has never been proven, and they have not been disproven either, because human civilization simply does not have the tools at this time that it would need to ask those questions and answer them in a scientifically valid way. But that's why we have the deep tradition of religious beliefs. And I think I can say it, well, let's talk about this. We'll see if we cut it later. But um, Matt, no, uh, you guys know, I've I've interacted with a lot of off the beaten path religions and um, my father actually believes he has invented his own religion. I think we talked us believe that he is. Yeah, so the idea to him the problem he had reincarnation originally, and I want to see what you think of this Handsey as well. The idea was he said, one of the biggest problems with reincarnation is that so many people are reincarnated as famous people, right like, oh, my life, man, be where I wanted to be now that I used to be Napoleon Bonaparte, or I was Cleopatra or Helen of Troy or montsa Musa or whomever. Uh. And he said, you know the problem with reincarnation is that you have thousands of people claiming they once were Napoleon, and then where are the people who were, Like I lived for a while in France under Napoleon. I died when I was nineteen life. All I ate was, are there people where those there are people that claim they know who they were previously? That seems like poppy washed to me. There are a lot of people, Yeah, my cousin, literally how can I know? This was very specific. There are men in black style mind a race that happens when you when you bounce from one to another. Rules. Man, let the rules. I would just say, in the case of many that I've heard about, it comes from hypnotic regression therapy, which is a very is a very problematic approach. It's the methodology of that is not sound. But that's your best next step right now, hansy jaguise here us. If you want to learn more about this Hans Becker, then try the hypnotherapy stuff, try something that seems legit, or you can try it at home with a friend. Just be aware it's not scientifically sound and biases can occur. But really what you're doing is you're learning more about yourself. Even if you don't find a Hans Becker that seems to you like the Hans Becker, like your Hans Becker, you will doubtlessly uh encounter aspects of yourself that you have not consciously encountered before. And that is that is a noble thing, and it can be a challenging thing. Um. Anyway, my old man, with the way the way he thought about it, his um his approach to the concept of reincarnation was that yes, multiple people were, in fact Napoleon at different stages in their lives. In that guy's life, we're in different universes. So he thought it was completely possible that you might be like splintering into the multiverse and then they're all possibility. Like if reincarnation were constructed as a fractal that's I know, that's a lot to think about. And I couldn't get out of the car. We were on a long trip. I was a child, So so yeah, you have you have to find your You have to find your own personal beliefs, the things that fit with you. And you know, I would love to hear more stories of reincarnation or take some reincarnation your thoughts on it? Is the idea of oblivion simply so challenging that people have to rationalize something else, right or is it? You know? How how will spirituality in the human species be affected when we are able to create the first virtual copy of a mind ship of thesis doesn't even begin to describe how crazy that will get, because you know, when we have the level of fidelities such that you can completely map a mind, it's cognitive warts and all, and then you can put that pattern into something that can reliably reproduce it. If you did that and you knew that mind that you had just copied, you knew it would respond to everything the way that the human version of it did, and it could learn right, and it could build off its own experiences and it knew it was trapped in a box. Then is that not the same person? You know what I mean? Like if you have multiple copies of four, it's a different book. But is it not the same story? I don't know. I guess same words, the same words, same order, bro man. Well hey, oh hennessee, I you know? Or what was it? What is the person? Hans hansy penis? No? What is that from? Is that key? And pees? Yes? Teacher a Ron Okay, all right? That was stuck in my head from classic sketch. And I gotta ask you, have you read nineteen eighty four the mash Up Nation at four and Fahrenheit four fifty one it's called Fahrenheit nine? Is are you messing with me? It's it would be cool though you did get because that that makes me think we got this other great letter, um I was pointing out and it was immensely grateful for this, pointing out that idea of AI generated films that you can turn into mathly back and I thought about scenes, yeah, yeah, and so we're we're grateful for that. We have so many other letters, stories, voicemails that we cannot wait to share with you. We're gonna have some more of these as we get closer to what I think is still arbitrarily called the end of the year. Whatever, everybody agreed, that's fine. We don't have to pick a new one. But uh, but we will continue this um and we we love doing this, love hanging out with you. We can't wait to hear your stories. 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