From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A production of I Heart Brading. Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my name is Noel. They called me Ben. We're joined as always with our super producer Alexis code named Doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you are you. You are here, and that makes this the stuff they don't want you to know. We're coming to you between episodes that we put out every Wednesday and Friday. Uh, and we're coming to you with one of our favorite segments, listener Mail. We scour the internet, we get deep into forums, we get into all sorts of forms of communication, from email, the voicemail to anything really, and we come bearing messages from you to you, specifically you, So stay tuned. You might be on the air today. We're gonna talk about You're gonna talk about some cryptids. We're going to talk about some strange physiological neurological experiences, uh, the way in which you can see colors, taste sound, and so on. And then we're also going to get some insider information about creepy activities in the sky. Uh. And then we're also going to talk about some unfortunate hidden history that is much closer to the modern day than a lot of people assume. I hope that's a vague enough set up without spoiling spoiling all our plans for today's show, No spoils, No spoils. Our plans do include going to the phone lines. And y'all know how it goes over here. We're only a month behind what We're fine. We're gonna jump to a message we got from Mike approximately one month ago. Uh. It's right after we talked about a story you brought to the table from one of our listeners, been about New York City attempting to forcibly put its quote mentally ill people who are living on the streets into the state run facilities to do like a little check in, right. That's all it was. Uh, let's hear what Mike had to say from his own experience. Hello, I was just listening to your episode about them forcing mentally ill in New York and institutions, and I just want to call in with my experience. I actually worked in mental health in the nineties when they were closing a lot of state hospitals down from Pennsylvania. At the time, we were down to Force state hospitals, and even then they had very limited beds. And he had asked about experience as far as how that was dealt with in other times areas. In my experience, where we had was the state had funded a lot of facilities in smaller, smaller rural communities. Um they had something called an LPSR, which was essentially a many state hospital. They were funding assistant living homes specifically for those with mental illness in different smaller communities. And then they had something which was called domicilary care, which is essentially foster care for adults, and primarily that served a lot of people in them with mental health problems. The other thing we saw quite a bit of, though, was when they closed down the institutions in our smaller rural areas, we all would see lots of people being shipped in from communities like Pittsburgh and Philadelphia because we had a greater amount of services. Uh. And while that did help, and I will say there were a lot of good people out there, unfortunately we saw a lot of abuses at the time too. A lot of people took advantage of the funding that it was available. We saw a lot of private and assistant living facilities that would drop up that provided very poor care. In terms of demissillary care. You could see a lot of the problems that you oftentimes see at the foster care system in terms of abuse and neglect. But unfortunately, because they were mentally ill, people often didn't take them seriously or really listen to them or getting into respect they needed if they had complaints or problems. So it was just, unfortunately a solution that just did not work out well. And I'm kind of worried that that's what we're gonna have now. I know in Pennsylvania now it feels like our metal hall system is not quite as well funded and it's very poor condition. Um, but if you have any questions you'd like to talk more about it, you can feel free to give me a call in My name is Mike. Thank you for all you do. Wow. Uh, just a little personal experience from Pennsylvania with somebody who worked in mental health in the nineteen nineties. And there's a lot of things in here that I believe we've mentioned before on this podcast. When we looked back at the history of how the United States cares for those with what would be labeled mental health problems by mental health professionals, and uh, you know that that history is murky and pretty dark. But there are, as we always say, we're talking about stuff like this, very very good people out there that want to make a difference, that want to help, who end up working in facilities like ones that were shut down, like new private ones that were opened up, like different facilities that exist today. I just want to, I guess, shout out Mike for you know, telling us a little bit about that. And I wanted to ask you guys a little bit if you had seen anything like this in places that you've lived over the years. Um, I don't have a lot of concrete examples from from my life besides a couple of facilities that I know for sure we're shut down in, as Mike said, the more rural parts of the greater Atlanta area. It's unfortunately a nationwide trend, right. This was part of a a large move, and it could it happened state by state, But I think the vast majority of people familiar with the situation can confirm that a lot of mental institutions were shut down, and they were. They were governments supported mental institutions. Psychiatric hospitals would be the better way to say it. And there was a great article in The Atlantic which came out a few years ago that really dives into this and dives into some of the perceived consequences of closing down these care facilities. One of the biggest, most immediate consequence is is that when people who need assistance or care like this are left on the street without a support network of any kind, they are going to tend to run into first responders and law enforcement, many of whom are not trained to deal with mental health emergencies. So this is an inter generational problem. You can see a lot of reporting about this, like tying, the tying, the closure of these facilities two all sorts of terrible things. I saw an MPR article that might be of interest that might could probably have already read this UH that estimates more than eight million people in the United States have quote serious psychological problems. That's from a journal called Psychiatric Services. And no matter how what the intentions were UH in closing these things down, the end result is that there's physically not a sufficient number of slots for people who need help to be it. Uh. And you know what does this mean if we're talking about long term consequences, what does this mean we're talking about large scale events. Uh, it means a lot of bad, inevitable things. And everybody can agree that these issues need to be addressed and these people need to be helped, but no one can agree how you know. My question would be, do we think that the state should be the primary force for supporting people in this regard or should it um? What's the other argument? Should it be charities, religious institutions, etcetera. I vote no on the religious front. I'm actually I think that might be a really good thing. All the religions and they all just start bringing people in. It's a way they would increase the number of people in there. You know, churches on their holy days, on their days of worship. Come on that you can grow your flock and you can help people. You can actually do real help in the world. Come on, why not? Why not? Everybody can tie whatever they're gonna tie. You pull all that money and you use a good portion of it to help people. I think that's what is designed for. I think right, no cut some kind of like Ubert Tithe. Yeah, yeah, I think. I don't know that's a smart thing. Well, it's interesting the the range of response we got from from you out there. I'm gonna do a really bad job right now. Quickly of describing what another caller said, they requested we not use their name or voice. This person has experience in Ohio, in the state of Ohio and a couple of different cities there, and what they noticed is that it's kind of a similar thing that Mike was saying, but maybe a little different. This person saw people getting shipped from cities, from larger urban areas into more rural areas, like shipped out of the city the way we talked about on this this previous episode where we mentioned this problem, and this person firsthand, through her experience, saw a lot of abuse of just from the situation of being unhoused right or not having a place to live, being on the streets and interacting with other people that are in the same situation and many of many of the individuals dealing with very different mental health issues right which she was seeing violence quite often. She was also seeing violence against people who were who were unhoused by those who were not unhoused this person had basically seen a lot, and uh, I felt like maybe it was the right answer to have the state step in and give anybody who's just stuck out on the streets a place to go, whether or not that means providing them with medication that may be necessary or just a safe place to be for you know, a certain period of time. They saw that as a potential, real solution. I don't know, I just wonder how everybody else felt about that. It's a complicated issue for certain and uh, lives are at stake. So yeah, well, I mean, isn't it sort of just like a workaround for you know, police and potentially a way to kind of circumvent normal, um due process for individuals that it may be undesirable. It's potential, especially in a large urban area like New York City, right, um. Quite possibly. Also, the prison system did after the after the the institutionalization of the US, which is sometimes called like the Penrose theory, we know that the prison system began to become the ultimate home for a lot of people struggling with mental health. Between seventy two and two thousand and nine, the prison population exploded like seven percent. And that's a that's according to a two thousand ten Q study and they're they're pretty legit. So I think we can I think we can trace a pretty strong line U in between these closures and this destruction of support systems. But but again, like you said that, it's a complicated situation that often gets oversimplify, perhaps to some degree, because people don't like to talk about it. Now, it's definitely it can be. Yeah, it's it's an uncomfortable thing to talk about, um and often it leaves people feeling kind of helpless in terms of how can we help some of these folks you know, who maybe don't have a support system. But I think we would all probably agree for the most part that they should be receiving treatment, uh to some degree or another, and shelter rather than just trundled off you know too, you know, be taken out of the population, you know, and treated like castaways. H Well, you guys, I just wanted to share feedback from people who were listening who've had experience. So we've done that. We're gonna take a quick break here word from our sponsor and we'll be right back with more messages from you and we're back. UM. So In our Our Strange News episode this week, I talked about or I brought to the table, and we all talked about UH story regarding AI art generation and some of the controversy and questions surrounding that. Well, today we're gonna talk about good old fashioned human art generation using brains UH, and brains that some might argue possess a bit of a superpower UM or at the at least a very different way of experiencing things, and how some of these individuals can filter this different way of experiencing things into interesting art and in ways of creating art that maybe we wouldn't normally think of. UH. Brock, who is is a great asset of the show, sends us really cool articles all the time. UM didn't write an email to sences really cool article. It was a PBS news our. UH segments called artists used synesthesia to expand their creative limits and UH and Michelle San Miguel of Rhode Island Public Television UM presented this story where she interviewed various artists that have synesthesia. UM. What is synesthesia? You've probably heard of it? UH, and one of the researchers interviewed for the piece, UM a guy by the name of h Dr Richard uh Pytoic Citawic, who's a neurologist. UM. He compares it to the concept of anesthesia, which I th was interesting. I never really made that connection. Anesthesia translates to no sensation. So synesthesia, he says, translates to joined or coupled sensation. In other words, you experience things on multiple levels. Uh. Some people here color or see sound, or associate certain sounds with certain colors. You know, it might be the sound of a cello for blue, or the sound of a violin for green, or whatever it might be, and then when you mix the colors together can create varying shades of that sound. UM. One of the first people that was interviewed in this piece was an artist by the name of Alan Carlson who talks about seeing numbers. UM. He says, I was probably five and I started seeing numbers in color. The three was yellow, five was red, zero was white, seven was sort of a purply blue. UM. And she also talks about being able to hear them and smell them. UM. So that's, you know, a side of of synesthesia that I had never really considered before. UM. Lenny Peterson There's another artist that was interviewed for the piece talks about being able to uh see shapes and associated with different timbers of music. You know, Um Lenny describes this way while they're in my art and they're anywhere from a straight line depending on the note, to all kinds of atmosphere within squares in the circles. So you know, I mean a lot of people are familiar with this concept of synesthesia. It's often associated with geniuses, you know, throughout throughout history. Um, like I believe dat Dostoevsky, Nabokov uh was was a cinnis. Theed um Lady Gaga is a cinnis feed Um. Duke Ellington, I believe, the famous jazz jazz performer, jazz musician also a set of tea and they come in all different shades. Um. What I didn't realize is that this is a heritable trait. This is not something that I had any idea about. I thought it was a very like interesting anomaly that took place within individuals. Um, Ben has you heard about that. I know this is something that that you're particularly interested in, this concept. Yeah, yeah, because I've I I also have Santas the Asia Um, it's not widely understood, but it is heritable. Like Nabokov, it was an amazing writer. It's weird how Russian writers are so great in English. But Nabokov was actually kind of miffed when he learned that although he had family members who also experienced synaesthesia, they did not experience the same kind, or rather, they didn't experience the same association. So if you have graph color cinis asia, so colors and numbers or letters are associated together in my mind consistently, and um, without trying, just instinctively, that's what happens. Then you go to a family member and you say, isn't it crazy how we both know that three is a light blue and they're going, you're nuts. Three is orange. So it's kind of depressing for a novel Caov to learn that. And uh, it's it's weird because a lot of people, I think, have phases of sentence stasia at the very least. Sometimes it might be hallucinogens. Sometimes I would pose it that the experiences of sinistasia are probably common to people during childhood. So would you consider these things hallucinations? Oh, that's a good question. Um, I don't know. If I would necessarily, I don't know if I necessarily say that, because in from what I understand, most times when people are experiencing these things, it's an internal experience, right Like you don't You're like, if you have um certain visuals associated with the sensation of textures, you're not going to actually feel like your hand is hurting. You'll have the sensations though you're touching you know, cotton or silk or sand paper or whatever. But I don't know a hallucination. That's a good question. What's the difference, you know, hallucination and a consistent association hallucination because it's so consistent. I mean, it's I think it's an interesting um way of thinking about it. And it's something that this piece kind of delves into a little bit also in terms of like, uh, well I'll just I'll just go right to dr side to wik um. He says, we're more familiar with famous artists who happened to be synisthes than we are famous cynisthes who happened to be artists. And it's a chicken and egg question of are they artistic because they're syn aesthetic or are they syn aesthetic because they're artistic. Um. He goes on to say that he thinks it's the former because they're used to unusual combinations and they've gotten comfortable with combining unusual things together to make something different. Uh. And then the artist Lenny Peterson that I reference at the top does exactly that. Um. He describes it again to the whole question of like is this you know something that you see? Uh. The journalist Michelle sam Miguel asks, Uh, now these shapes appear three dimensional in front of you. They're floating in the air, to which Peterson replies, they're being created in front of me. They're not like in the room. They're forming in front of me as I listened to music. So wouldn't you say that kind of sounds like someone who's seeing something is physically or not physically you know, seeing something. I mean, how else can you describe it? Like this is something floating in front of this person in the air, and the more I concentrate on it, the more they're going to form, and the clearer they're going to form. But then again, the idea of consistency, right, like if a hallucination is um always happening, at what point does it become just an association. That's a really good point. Then I didn't think about that either, because you know, hallucination is almost it's a little bit loaded, isn't it. It implies there's something wrong or that you've ingested something that's causing your neural path ways to get tweaked. Um, these people's neural pathways, for lack of a better way of describing it, are kind of perma tweets. You know, they're just sort of born that way. Um, So at that point, is it is it a hallucination or is it just the way they see things? You're right, hallucination implies intermittent or uh, inconsistent or associated with a particular drug or uh, you know, maybe even an injury, you know, m Yeah. And and also you know, another thing we always talked about when when we talk about this off air, is uh, whether it is possible to teach sensation well, sort of the way like Russell Targ talks about being able to teach ESP. You know, Um Targ thinks that he can, and he says he's done it. But but it is a similar kind of question. I think, you know, you usually think of ESP is whether you believe it if you believe in it as something that someone's got kind of innately in the idea of being able to cheap teach, it is very interesting in a different way of framing it. Well, guys, to me, it's it seems like physical wired connections up in the brain to me, and not something that you could necessarily teach. Although we have learned some pretty cool things about folks who do a lot of meditation, right, and how connections can be altered slightly and enhanced. So maybe there is a way. I don't think you would be as simple as you know, taking a class. It would be like studying with a master kind of thing. That's what it feels like. Well, even like people that experience addiction and it, maybe they had to train their brain to sort of, you know, course correct, and we know that the brain and our pathways are elastic, you know. For lack of a better term, I guess that's actually a term that's used pretty regularly. Um, so maybe this is similar, But I don't know if you can to what degree can you can you train your brain to like do this kind of stuff. Um. I just wanted to wrap up with with the thing that I think one of the things that made this piece really interesting. Um is the description by this one artist of how they use their synesthesia to make unique art that is specifically kind of rooted in that synesthesia. Alan Carlson, who's another artist that was interviewed as a maker of abstract paintings. She says that she likes to paint by mixing colors together that have a certain smell associated to them, and not the smell of the paint or some kind of chemical smell that's physically bound to the substance, a smell that comes from the color and um Carlson specifically refers to certain shades that smell like low tide, which is not exactly the most pleasant smell. Um. But this is an artist who uh specifically makes work sometimes cluss with using a palette that's clustered around a particular smell. So whereas you might you know, create a palette based on monochromatic tones or whatever types of blues, whatever it might be, this is an artist that is clustering color is based specifically on their you unique associations that that other people wouldn't experience. And what does that create, you know, for others who are experiencing that is it kind of a path into that person's specific experience by filtering it through the things we can interpret, you know, I I don't know. I think it's fascinating to think about. So this is what Alan Carlson has to say about this. I started to be able to pull in a whole family of those colors that smelled that way. To me, it was like an undercurrent in the whole palette. And so from that I painted an eighty inch wide abstract landscape just from the smell those two colors that came together. Uh. And it happened very fast, so really cool. And I love science that we don't fully understand, especially as it pertains to art um And you know, with all this stuff about AI art, I think it's really important to emphasize the human aspect of art more than ever. Uh. Now, so there you go. So now I'll take a quick break and then be back with one more piece of listener mail. And we have returned with some We got a lot of feedback about the X thirty seven b of mysterious ghost ship up there in orbit, as well as some great reactions to sonic booms, which we mentioned in a previous Listener males segment. Uh, here we go with Toad. Toad rights into say, a long time listener and fan of the show, I just finished listening to the listener male segment regarding Sonic Booms a little behind. I know I had a sick kid, so I was keeping up during commutes. Toad, we hope that your kid is feeling much much better. We hope you're on the mend. And Toad says this, this is one of the things we love hearing the show. Toad said, I have some involvement with US government, and there, of course some interesting things about getting inside the circle of trust and knowing the inside scoop on some of the topics from the show. Uh, it's kind of fun for me. And he said, one aspect of being on the inside is knowing what secret because it's truly dangerous to people or national security, and what's secret because it's mostly embarrassing or would make people unhappy. The issue around Sonic Booms generally falls into the latter category. Uh. And then Toad goes on, We're not going to say too too many specifics here, Toad. But Toad goes on to talk about sometimes spent out on the West coast, not working with sonic booms directly, but being in a position where you would know who was causing them. And they noted that we said, the government can't really cover up booms and they have to say something about it. Toad says this is mostly true. And then Toad points out something we didn't mention. It's also true that transponder codes that show up in public flight records don't always correspond to the aircraft listed, so there can still be cover stories that something that might be opera raiding and causing a boom, if you look at the flight log, it might be listed as something different. And and um, he said, there's another thing that causes sonic booms that isn't tied to flight records at all. Orbital reentry Space Shuttle is a classic example, but there are other craft as well as the open secret of the X thirty seven B. It only takes minutes for deorbiting craft to cross the width of the United States, since it only takes about an hour give or take a bit to orbit the whole Earth depending on distance. Pretty weird stuff, right, Yeah. Stuff always makes me think of event horizon, like a ship that's been a dark dimension and come back with like demons. They're just remnants of some kind. I think that's a cool movie. It doesn't hold up like you might think. There are parts of it that are great and parts of it that are really corny. But um, I love the concept so much. I loved it too. I think the only thing that didn't really hold up super well was like the soundtrack. It wasn't It was very of the time when I was listening back to for sure. There's also that dude that kind of gets shot out of the pod bay or whatever, and then he ends up coming back. He's like, I'm coming back. Mother does that? It's a little goofy. It's a little silly goofy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you could tell the It went through a couple of different genres in the writing process. Oh yeah, I talked to you guys off air about this, but I right after we recorded that episode on the X thirty seven B, I got two guests on The Daily Zeitgeist, which was, you know, my first time, as you guys have been on there as many many times, good friends over there and Jack and Miles. They were so surprised and weirded out when they learned about the x thirty seven B for the first time while we were talking about it. Uh, it's surprising and weird, just like, well, this thing is real and it nine hundred days. What it was really great? Yeah, called the ghost called the space Ghostbusters exactly. Uh. And speaking of that, there is one other thing, when to add from Toad that he said. Uh, he said, you might be familiar with layers of the atmosphere, but the dividing line or pauses between layers don't really transmit sound. Well, so we have supersonic craft operating above a certain level that dips below that level. It can make the sound of a sonic boom for a short period of time before it moves on. So it might be a single flight that sounds like multiple events. And uh, there's there's something else that he mentions. This is what we'll share on air. Uh, Toad says, As mentioned before, some of these craft are flying fast enough that they might trace multiple flight paths across the US on the same day, separated by only a few hours. Some maybe de orbiting spacecraft, but they're also aircraft and good old fashioned missiles too. Just how fast we can go, however, is classified, so I can exact actually share that information. I can say that China is playing catch up with cutting edge military tech and they are working on hypersonic cruise missiles as well, over five times the speed of sound. I know it's so weird because people like that's how many secrets there are in these kind of fields. People can just talk to us, right and preserve their anonymity and say, yeah, I confirmed some of the crazy stuff in the sky. He gave us the inside scoop, and I know we'll give you this a little brief. So I was thinking, first, there's a clearing call to everybody if you can share stories like this with us. More importantly, fellow conspiracy realists, please let us know because this is what this show is made to explore. And just so we don't end with everybody wondering whether that's a top secret missile flying over you. Let's let's go from the inside scoop to the straight poop from Ricky. Yeah, no regrets, no regrets, no quarter given when it comes to puns. This is okay. You're gonna have to editor stuck. Uh, Ricky says, I can't remember which episode. You guys have made this observation numerous times. What about how if you can smell something on molecular level, you're also tasting it. This also means everywhere, every day, all day, people that fart with their clothes on are also technically in their pants. I've never thought about that, but I guess by that's my favorite curse too. But I really don't like someone. I'm like, I hope every time you try to fart pants just a little. Yeah, just a My favorite expression for for doing a bad job on something is in the bed. I don't know from what we've learned about tutes, and you know when you smell them, you're tasting them. Doesn't that mean that every time you too the high road way to Hier, you're pooping your your shorts just a bit, breeches, just just a tiny bit. Yes, yeah, So I guess that our takeaway from that would be stay humble, everybody, because even even Henry Kristinger, even Beyonce or insert celebrity here, um, even even even the Pope. The Pope's got some tiny poops. That's just thinking about how much you like popes and popes, just remember that she's got poopy pants. Yeah, yeah, Whenever you feel down on yourself, whenever somebody's make you feel insecure, just in your head, tell yourself in person has pooped themselves, they've pooped a little bit. Nies was about get out of my head. I was just about to say, I'm scared to touch pennies. I can't handle it. That's separate from the scarier Yeah, you know, that just makes it worst. If anyone is to know what we're talking about, just just google it. Maybe don't. I don't know. It's a sketched on a price. It is a brigade where a guy gets the upper hand in business because he's a roll of pennies up his uh, his his his little sebastian um every day or week for years, and so he can assume that anyone he's talking to has at some point handled his his butt pennies. I don't know if you can call it the power move, but it's definitely a move. It's a move, especially when you tell them about it. At that point you're the crazy You're I don't know that really gives the upper hand at all. It might just like totally turn people off remember wanting to do business with you again. It's like it's like cutting your hand before a fight. Starts to try to get in people's heads, and they're like, well, if that's what you'll do to yourself, what's gonna happen to me? You know, don't do that. We're legally required to tell you. Taking pennies up your butt despite your face, you know. Yeah, it's it's a very pyric victory, but are very very last one. Since we're nose pun left behind here, Tyler writes and says, hey, guys, a long time listener here, I just got done listening to the actual line of control episode and I realized there was a missed opportunity here to use the following line. I can't believe it's not border, you know, because it's like a border, it's not really a border. And then Tyler signs off with your welcome, So I guess we owe you thank you. Customarily, Tyler to thank you comes before they're welcome, but we'll allow it, will allow it. And that's uh. That's that's gonna be our listener mail segment for this week. But we want you to join in. We want to hear your ideas for new episodes. We want to hear your personal experiences with cinesthesia. Were certain there's some out there statistically. We also want to know your experience with the institutionalization or the state of psychiatric care, whether consensual or forced in the in the US, and you know what and abroad to uh. And then of course always said this with terrible terrible puns. Is that an okay door to open? Yeah, open it. No good puns, just send us, send us like solvad or Dolly Parks. Are there good puns inherently? Okay? Well, let yeah, that's a good point. It's your puns. We also want your energy drinks. Send us your energy drink. I'm just stressing your freshest bodily fluids. Send us the freshest bodily fluids. And send some kind of WiFi that works better when you're on the road. This is nuts. Yeah, we're problem solvers here. Stuff that I want you to know. So if you want to help us solve these problems or learn more about new problems, UH, then go ahead and find us on the internet, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, all the hits, all the good ones, all that slow jazz, don't forget TikTok. 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From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A production of I Heart Brading. Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my name is Noel. They called me Ben. We're joined as always with our super producer Alexis code named Doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you are you. You are here, and that makes this the stuff they don't want you to know. We're coming to you between episodes that we put out every Wednesday and Friday. Uh, and we're coming to you with one of our favorite segments, listener Mail. We scour the internet, we get deep into forums, we get into all sorts of forms of communication, from email, the voicemail to anything really, and we come bearing messages from you to you, specifically you, So stay tuned. You might be on the air today. We're gonna talk about You're gonna talk about some cryptids. We're going to talk about some strange physiological neurological experiences, uh, the way in which you can see colors, taste sound, and so on. And then we're also going to get some insider information about creepy activities in the sky. Uh. And then we're also going to talk about some unfortunate hidden history that is much closer to the modern day than a lot of people assume. I hope that's a vague enough set up without spoiling spoiling all our plans for today's show, No spoils, No spoils. Our plans do include going to the phone lines. And y'all know how it goes over here. We're only a month behind what We're fine. We're gonna jump to a message we got from Mike approximately one month ago. Uh. It's right after we talked about a story you brought to the table from one of our listeners, been about New York City attempting to forcibly put its quote mentally ill people who are living on the streets into the state run facilities to do like a little check in, right. That's all it was. Uh, let's hear what Mike had to say from his own experience. Hello, I was just listening to your episode about them forcing mentally ill in New York and institutions, and I just want to call in with my experience. I actually worked in mental health in the nineties when they were closing a lot of state hospitals down from Pennsylvania. At the time, we were down to Force state hospitals, and even then they had very limited beds. And he had asked about experience as far as how that was dealt with in other times areas. In my experience, where we had was the state had funded a lot of facilities in smaller, smaller rural communities. Um they had something called an LPSR, which was essentially a many state hospital. They were funding assistant living homes specifically for those with mental illness in different smaller communities. And then they had something which was called domicilary care, which is essentially foster care for adults, and primarily that served a lot of people in them with mental health problems. The other thing we saw quite a bit of, though, was when they closed down the institutions in our smaller rural areas, we all would see lots of people being shipped in from communities like Pittsburgh and Philadelphia because we had a greater amount of services. Uh. And while that did help, and I will say there were a lot of good people out there, unfortunately we saw a lot of abuses at the time too. A lot of people took advantage of the funding that it was available. We saw a lot of private and assistant living facilities that would drop up that provided very poor care. In terms of demissillary care. You could see a lot of the problems that you oftentimes see at the foster care system in terms of abuse and neglect. But unfortunately, because they were mentally ill, people often didn't take them seriously or really listen to them or getting into respect they needed if they had complaints or problems. So it was just, unfortunately a solution that just did not work out well. And I'm kind of worried that that's what we're gonna have now. I know in Pennsylvania now it feels like our metal hall system is not quite as well funded and it's very poor condition. Um, but if you have any questions you'd like to talk more about it, you can feel free to give me a call in My name is Mike. Thank you for all you do. Wow. Uh, just a little personal experience from Pennsylvania with somebody who worked in mental health in the nineteen nineties. And there's a lot of things in here that I believe we've mentioned before on this podcast. When we looked back at the history of how the United States cares for those with what would be labeled mental health problems by mental health professionals, and uh, you know that that history is murky and pretty dark. But there are, as we always say, we're talking about stuff like this, very very good people out there that want to make a difference, that want to help, who end up working in facilities like ones that were shut down, like new private ones that were opened up, like different facilities that exist today. I just want to, I guess, shout out Mike for you know, telling us a little bit about that. And I wanted to ask you guys a little bit if you had seen anything like this in places that you've lived over the years. Um, I don't have a lot of concrete examples from from my life besides a couple of facilities that I know for sure we're shut down in, as Mike said, the more rural parts of the greater Atlanta area. It's unfortunately a nationwide trend, right. This was part of a a large move, and it could it happened state by state, But I think the vast majority of people familiar with the situation can confirm that a lot of mental institutions were shut down, and they were. They were governments supported mental institutions. Psychiatric hospitals would be the better way to say it. And there was a great article in The Atlantic which came out a few years ago that really dives into this and dives into some of the perceived consequences of closing down these care facilities. One of the biggest, most immediate consequence is is that when people who need assistance or care like this are left on the street without a support network of any kind, they are going to tend to run into first responders and law enforcement, many of whom are not trained to deal with mental health emergencies. So this is an inter generational problem. You can see a lot of reporting about this, like tying, the tying, the closure of these facilities two all sorts of terrible things. I saw an MPR article that might be of interest that might could probably have already read this UH that estimates more than eight million people in the United States have quote serious psychological problems. That's from a journal called Psychiatric Services. And no matter how what the intentions were UH in closing these things down, the end result is that there's physically not a sufficient number of slots for people who need help to be it. Uh. And you know what does this mean if we're talking about long term consequences, what does this mean we're talking about large scale events. Uh, it means a lot of bad, inevitable things. And everybody can agree that these issues need to be addressed and these people need to be helped, but no one can agree how you know. My question would be, do we think that the state should be the primary force for supporting people in this regard or should it um? What's the other argument? Should it be charities, religious institutions, etcetera. I vote no on the religious front. I'm actually I think that might be a really good thing. All the religions and they all just start bringing people in. It's a way they would increase the number of people in there. You know, churches on their holy days, on their days of worship. Come on that you can grow your flock and you can help people. You can actually do real help in the world. Come on, why not? Why not? Everybody can tie whatever they're gonna tie. You pull all that money and you use a good portion of it to help people. I think that's what is designed for. I think right, no cut some kind of like Ubert Tithe. Yeah, yeah, I think. I don't know that's a smart thing. Well, it's interesting the the range of response we got from from you out there. I'm gonna do a really bad job right now. Quickly of describing what another caller said, they requested we not use their name or voice. This person has experience in Ohio, in the state of Ohio and a couple of different cities there, and what they noticed is that it's kind of a similar thing that Mike was saying, but maybe a little different. This person saw people getting shipped from cities, from larger urban areas into more rural areas, like shipped out of the city the way we talked about on this this previous episode where we mentioned this problem, and this person firsthand, through her experience, saw a lot of abuse of just from the situation of being unhoused right or not having a place to live, being on the streets and interacting with other people that are in the same situation and many of many of the individuals dealing with very different mental health issues right which she was seeing violence quite often. She was also seeing violence against people who were who were unhoused by those who were not unhoused this person had basically seen a lot, and uh, I felt like maybe it was the right answer to have the state step in and give anybody who's just stuck out on the streets a place to go, whether or not that means providing them with medication that may be necessary or just a safe place to be for you know, a certain period of time. They saw that as a potential, real solution. I don't know, I just wonder how everybody else felt about that. It's a complicated issue for certain and uh, lives are at stake. So yeah, well, I mean, isn't it sort of just like a workaround for you know, police and potentially a way to kind of circumvent normal, um due process for individuals that it may be undesirable. It's potential, especially in a large urban area like New York City, right, um. Quite possibly. Also, the prison system did after the after the the institutionalization of the US, which is sometimes called like the Penrose theory, we know that the prison system began to become the ultimate home for a lot of people struggling with mental health. Between seventy two and two thousand and nine, the prison population exploded like seven percent. And that's a that's according to a two thousand ten Q study and they're they're pretty legit. So I think we can I think we can trace a pretty strong line U in between these closures and this destruction of support systems. But but again, like you said that, it's a complicated situation that often gets oversimplify, perhaps to some degree, because people don't like to talk about it. Now, it's definitely it can be. Yeah, it's it's an uncomfortable thing to talk about, um and often it leaves people feeling kind of helpless in terms of how can we help some of these folks you know, who maybe don't have a support system. But I think we would all probably agree for the most part that they should be receiving treatment, uh to some degree or another, and shelter rather than just trundled off you know too, you know, be taken out of the population, you know, and treated like castaways. H Well, you guys, I just wanted to share feedback from people who were listening who've had experience. So we've done that. We're gonna take a quick break here word from our sponsor and we'll be right back with more messages from you and we're back. UM. So In our Our Strange News episode this week, I talked about or I brought to the table, and we all talked about UH story regarding AI art generation and some of the controversy and questions surrounding that. Well, today we're gonna talk about good old fashioned human art generation using brains UH, and brains that some might argue possess a bit of a superpower UM or at the at least a very different way of experiencing things, and how some of these individuals can filter this different way of experiencing things into interesting art and in ways of creating art that maybe we wouldn't normally think of. UH. Brock, who is is a great asset of the show, sends us really cool articles all the time. UM didn't write an email to sences really cool article. It was a PBS news our. UH segments called artists used synesthesia to expand their creative limits and UH and Michelle San Miguel of Rhode Island Public Television UM presented this story where she interviewed various artists that have synesthesia. UM. What is synesthesia? You've probably heard of it? UH, and one of the researchers interviewed for the piece, UM a guy by the name of h Dr Richard uh Pytoic Citawic, who's a neurologist. UM. He compares it to the concept of anesthesia, which I th was interesting. I never really made that connection. Anesthesia translates to no sensation. So synesthesia, he says, translates to joined or coupled sensation. In other words, you experience things on multiple levels. Uh. Some people here color or see sound, or associate certain sounds with certain colors. You know, it might be the sound of a cello for blue, or the sound of a violin for green, or whatever it might be, and then when you mix the colors together can create varying shades of that sound. UM. One of the first people that was interviewed in this piece was an artist by the name of Alan Carlson who talks about seeing numbers. UM. He says, I was probably five and I started seeing numbers in color. The three was yellow, five was red, zero was white, seven was sort of a purply blue. UM. And she also talks about being able to hear them and smell them. UM. So that's, you know, a side of of synesthesia that I had never really considered before. UM. Lenny Peterson There's another artist that was interviewed for the piece talks about being able to uh see shapes and associated with different timbers of music. You know, Um Lenny describes this way while they're in my art and they're anywhere from a straight line depending on the note, to all kinds of atmosphere within squares in the circles. So you know, I mean a lot of people are familiar with this concept of synesthesia. It's often associated with geniuses, you know, throughout throughout history. Um, like I believe dat Dostoevsky, Nabokov uh was was a cinnis. Theed um Lady Gaga is a cinnis feed Um. Duke Ellington, I believe, the famous jazz jazz performer, jazz musician also a set of tea and they come in all different shades. Um. What I didn't realize is that this is a heritable trait. This is not something that I had any idea about. I thought it was a very like interesting anomaly that took place within individuals. Um, Ben has you heard about that. I know this is something that that you're particularly interested in, this concept. Yeah, yeah, because I've I I also have Santas the Asia Um, it's not widely understood, but it is heritable. Like Nabokov, it was an amazing writer. It's weird how Russian writers are so great in English. But Nabokov was actually kind of miffed when he learned that although he had family members who also experienced synaesthesia, they did not experience the same kind, or rather, they didn't experience the same association. So if you have graph color cinis asia, so colors and numbers or letters are associated together in my mind consistently, and um, without trying, just instinctively, that's what happens. Then you go to a family member and you say, isn't it crazy how we both know that three is a light blue and they're going, you're nuts. Three is orange. So it's kind of depressing for a novel Caov to learn that. And uh, it's it's weird because a lot of people, I think, have phases of sentence stasia at the very least. Sometimes it might be hallucinogens. Sometimes I would pose it that the experiences of sinistasia are probably common to people during childhood. So would you consider these things hallucinations? Oh, that's a good question. Um, I don't know. If I would necessarily, I don't know if I necessarily say that, because in from what I understand, most times when people are experiencing these things, it's an internal experience, right Like you don't You're like, if you have um certain visuals associated with the sensation of textures, you're not going to actually feel like your hand is hurting. You'll have the sensations though you're touching you know, cotton or silk or sand paper or whatever. But I don't know a hallucination. That's a good question. What's the difference, you know, hallucination and a consistent association hallucination because it's so consistent. I mean, it's I think it's an interesting um way of thinking about it. And it's something that this piece kind of delves into a little bit also in terms of like, uh, well I'll just I'll just go right to dr side to wik um. He says, we're more familiar with famous artists who happened to be synisthes than we are famous cynisthes who happened to be artists. And it's a chicken and egg question of are they artistic because they're syn aesthetic or are they syn aesthetic because they're artistic. Um. He goes on to say that he thinks it's the former because they're used to unusual combinations and they've gotten comfortable with combining unusual things together to make something different. Uh. And then the artist Lenny Peterson that I reference at the top does exactly that. Um. He describes it again to the whole question of like is this you know something that you see? Uh. The journalist Michelle sam Miguel asks, Uh, now these shapes appear three dimensional in front of you. They're floating in the air, to which Peterson replies, they're being created in front of me. They're not like in the room. They're forming in front of me as I listened to music. So wouldn't you say that kind of sounds like someone who's seeing something is physically or not physically you know, seeing something. I mean, how else can you describe it? Like this is something floating in front of this person in the air, and the more I concentrate on it, the more they're going to form, and the clearer they're going to form. But then again, the idea of consistency, right, like if a hallucination is um always happening, at what point does it become just an association. That's a really good point. Then I didn't think about that either, because you know, hallucination is almost it's a little bit loaded, isn't it. It implies there's something wrong or that you've ingested something that's causing your neural path ways to get tweaked. Um, these people's neural pathways, for lack of a better way of describing it, are kind of perma tweets. You know, they're just sort of born that way. Um, So at that point, is it is it a hallucination or is it just the way they see things? You're right, hallucination implies intermittent or uh, inconsistent or associated with a particular drug or uh, you know, maybe even an injury, you know, m Yeah. And and also you know, another thing we always talked about when when we talk about this off air, is uh, whether it is possible to teach sensation well, sort of the way like Russell Targ talks about being able to teach ESP. You know, Um Targ thinks that he can, and he says he's done it. But but it is a similar kind of question. I think, you know, you usually think of ESP is whether you believe it if you believe in it as something that someone's got kind of innately in the idea of being able to cheap teach, it is very interesting in a different way of framing it. Well, guys, to me, it's it seems like physical wired connections up in the brain to me, and not something that you could necessarily teach. Although we have learned some pretty cool things about folks who do a lot of meditation, right, and how connections can be altered slightly and enhanced. So maybe there is a way. I don't think you would be as simple as you know, taking a class. It would be like studying with a master kind of thing. That's what it feels like. Well, even like people that experience addiction and it, maybe they had to train their brain to sort of, you know, course correct, and we know that the brain and our pathways are elastic, you know. For lack of a better term, I guess that's actually a term that's used pretty regularly. Um, so maybe this is similar, But I don't know if you can to what degree can you can you train your brain to like do this kind of stuff. Um. I just wanted to wrap up with with the thing that I think one of the things that made this piece really interesting. Um is the description by this one artist of how they use their synesthesia to make unique art that is specifically kind of rooted in that synesthesia. Alan Carlson, who's another artist that was interviewed as a maker of abstract paintings. She says that she likes to paint by mixing colors together that have a certain smell associated to them, and not the smell of the paint or some kind of chemical smell that's physically bound to the substance, a smell that comes from the color and um Carlson specifically refers to certain shades that smell like low tide, which is not exactly the most pleasant smell. Um. But this is an artist who uh specifically makes work sometimes cluss with using a palette that's clustered around a particular smell. So whereas you might you know, create a palette based on monochromatic tones or whatever types of blues, whatever it might be, this is an artist that is clustering color is based specifically on their you unique associations that that other people wouldn't experience. And what does that create, you know, for others who are experiencing that is it kind of a path into that person's specific experience by filtering it through the things we can interpret, you know, I I don't know. I think it's fascinating to think about. So this is what Alan Carlson has to say about this. I started to be able to pull in a whole family of those colors that smelled that way. To me, it was like an undercurrent in the whole palette. And so from that I painted an eighty inch wide abstract landscape just from the smell those two colors that came together. Uh. And it happened very fast, so really cool. And I love science that we don't fully understand, especially as it pertains to art um And you know, with all this stuff about AI art, I think it's really important to emphasize the human aspect of art more than ever. Uh. Now, so there you go. So now I'll take a quick break and then be back with one more piece of listener mail. And we have returned with some We got a lot of feedback about the X thirty seven b of mysterious ghost ship up there in orbit, as well as some great reactions to sonic booms, which we mentioned in a previous Listener males segment. Uh, here we go with Toad. Toad rights into say, a long time listener and fan of the show, I just finished listening to the listener male segment regarding Sonic Booms a little behind. I know I had a sick kid, so I was keeping up during commutes. Toad, we hope that your kid is feeling much much better. We hope you're on the mend. And Toad says this, this is one of the things we love hearing the show. Toad said, I have some involvement with US government, and there, of course some interesting things about getting inside the circle of trust and knowing the inside scoop on some of the topics from the show. Uh, it's kind of fun for me. And he said, one aspect of being on the inside is knowing what secret because it's truly dangerous to people or national security, and what's secret because it's mostly embarrassing or would make people unhappy. The issue around Sonic Booms generally falls into the latter category. Uh. And then Toad goes on, We're not going to say too too many specifics here, Toad. But Toad goes on to talk about sometimes spent out on the West coast, not working with sonic booms directly, but being in a position where you would know who was causing them. And they noted that we said, the government can't really cover up booms and they have to say something about it. Toad says this is mostly true. And then Toad points out something we didn't mention. It's also true that transponder codes that show up in public flight records don't always correspond to the aircraft listed, so there can still be cover stories that something that might be opera raiding and causing a boom, if you look at the flight log, it might be listed as something different. And and um, he said, there's another thing that causes sonic booms that isn't tied to flight records at all. Orbital reentry Space Shuttle is a classic example, but there are other craft as well as the open secret of the X thirty seven B. It only takes minutes for deorbiting craft to cross the width of the United States, since it only takes about an hour give or take a bit to orbit the whole Earth depending on distance. Pretty weird stuff, right, Yeah. Stuff always makes me think of event horizon, like a ship that's been a dark dimension and come back with like demons. They're just remnants of some kind. I think that's a cool movie. It doesn't hold up like you might think. There are parts of it that are great and parts of it that are really corny. But um, I love the concept so much. I loved it too. I think the only thing that didn't really hold up super well was like the soundtrack. It wasn't It was very of the time when I was listening back to for sure. There's also that dude that kind of gets shot out of the pod bay or whatever, and then he ends up coming back. He's like, I'm coming back. Mother does that? It's a little goofy. It's a little silly goofy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you could tell the It went through a couple of different genres in the writing process. Oh yeah, I talked to you guys off air about this, but I right after we recorded that episode on the X thirty seven B, I got two guests on The Daily Zeitgeist, which was, you know, my first time, as you guys have been on there as many many times, good friends over there and Jack and Miles. They were so surprised and weirded out when they learned about the x thirty seven B for the first time while we were talking about it. Uh, it's surprising and weird, just like, well, this thing is real and it nine hundred days. What it was really great? Yeah, called the ghost called the space Ghostbusters exactly. Uh. And speaking of that, there is one other thing, when to add from Toad that he said. Uh, he said, you might be familiar with layers of the atmosphere, but the dividing line or pauses between layers don't really transmit sound. Well, so we have supersonic craft operating above a certain level that dips below that level. It can make the sound of a sonic boom for a short period of time before it moves on. So it might be a single flight that sounds like multiple events. And uh, there's there's something else that he mentions. This is what we'll share on air. Uh, Toad says, As mentioned before, some of these craft are flying fast enough that they might trace multiple flight paths across the US on the same day, separated by only a few hours. Some maybe de orbiting spacecraft, but they're also aircraft and good old fashioned missiles too. Just how fast we can go, however, is classified, so I can exact actually share that information. I can say that China is playing catch up with cutting edge military tech and they are working on hypersonic cruise missiles as well, over five times the speed of sound. I know it's so weird because people like that's how many secrets there are in these kind of fields. People can just talk to us, right and preserve their anonymity and say, yeah, I confirmed some of the crazy stuff in the sky. He gave us the inside scoop, and I know we'll give you this a little brief. So I was thinking, first, there's a clearing call to everybody if you can share stories like this with us. More importantly, fellow conspiracy realists, please let us know because this is what this show is made to explore. And just so we don't end with everybody wondering whether that's a top secret missile flying over you. Let's let's go from the inside scoop to the straight poop from Ricky. Yeah, no regrets, no regrets, no quarter given when it comes to puns. This is okay. You're gonna have to editor stuck. Uh, Ricky says, I can't remember which episode. You guys have made this observation numerous times. What about how if you can smell something on molecular level, you're also tasting it. This also means everywhere, every day, all day, people that fart with their clothes on are also technically in their pants. I've never thought about that, but I guess by that's my favorite curse too. But I really don't like someone. I'm like, I hope every time you try to fart pants just a little. Yeah, just a My favorite expression for for doing a bad job on something is in the bed. I don't know from what we've learned about tutes, and you know when you smell them, you're tasting them. Doesn't that mean that every time you too the high road way to Hier, you're pooping your your shorts just a bit, breeches, just just a tiny bit. Yes, yeah, So I guess that our takeaway from that would be stay humble, everybody, because even even Henry Kristinger, even Beyonce or insert celebrity here, um, even even even the Pope. The Pope's got some tiny poops. That's just thinking about how much you like popes and popes, just remember that she's got poopy pants. Yeah, yeah, Whenever you feel down on yourself, whenever somebody's make you feel insecure, just in your head, tell yourself in person has pooped themselves, they've pooped a little bit. Nies was about get out of my head. I was just about to say, I'm scared to touch pennies. I can't handle it. That's separate from the scarier Yeah, you know, that just makes it worst. If anyone is to know what we're talking about, just just google it. Maybe don't. I don't know. It's a sketched on a price. It is a brigade where a guy gets the upper hand in business because he's a roll of pennies up his uh, his his his little sebastian um every day or week for years, and so he can assume that anyone he's talking to has at some point handled his his butt pennies. I don't know if you can call it the power move, but it's definitely a move. It's a move, especially when you tell them about it. At that point you're the crazy You're I don't know that really gives the upper hand at all. It might just like totally turn people off remember wanting to do business with you again. It's like it's like cutting your hand before a fight. Starts to try to get in people's heads, and they're like, well, if that's what you'll do to yourself, what's gonna happen to me? You know, don't do that. We're legally required to tell you. Taking pennies up your butt despite your face, you know. Yeah, it's it's a very pyric victory, but are very very last one. Since we're nose pun left behind here, Tyler writes and says, hey, guys, a long time listener here, I just got done listening to the actual line of control episode and I realized there was a missed opportunity here to use the following line. I can't believe it's not border, you know, because it's like a border, it's not really a border. And then Tyler signs off with your welcome, So I guess we owe you thank you. Customarily, Tyler to thank you comes before they're welcome, but we'll allow it, will allow it. And that's uh. That's that's gonna be our listener mail segment for this week. But we want you to join in. We want to hear your ideas for new episodes. We want to hear your personal experiences with cinesthesia. Were certain there's some out there statistically. We also want to know your experience with the institutionalization or the state of psychiatric care, whether consensual or forced in the in the US, and you know what and abroad to uh. And then of course always said this with terrible terrible puns. Is that an okay door to open? Yeah, open it. No good puns, just send us, send us like solvad or Dolly Parks. Are there good puns inherently? Okay? Well, let yeah, that's a good point. It's your puns. We also want your energy drinks. Send us your energy drink. I'm just stressing your freshest bodily fluids. Send us the freshest bodily fluids. And send some kind of WiFi that works better when you're on the road. This is nuts. Yeah, we're problem solvers here. Stuff that I want you to know. So if you want to help us solve these problems or learn more about new problems, UH, then go ahead and find us on the internet, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, all the hits, all the good ones, all that slow jazz, don't forget TikTok. 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