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From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A production of iHeartRadio.

Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my name is Noel.

Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my name is Noel.

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Everybody. I totally mess with that. That's what happens when Ben's.

Everybody. I totally mess with that. That's what happens when Ben's.

Hey, hey, he keeps these trains on the tracks. Thank you, sir, Ben. We miss you, but we'll see you soon. It's Thursday, y'all. You know what that means. We're hearing from the best part of this show.

Hey, hey, he keeps these trains on the tracks. Thank you, sir, Ben. We miss you, but we'll see you soon. It's Thursday, y'all. You know what that means. We're hearing from the best part of this show.

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That's right tonight on stuff they don't want you to know, listener mail, we're talking attention spans, more exploding devices, nocturnally missions and more. Yeah, that's right, that's right, that's right. I hid that one in there. It's going to be a surprise for Noel.

That's right tonight on stuff they don't want you to know, listener mail, we're talking attention spans, more exploding devices, nocturnally missions and more. Yeah, that's right, that's right, that's right. I hid that one in there. It's going to be a surprise for Noel.

I'm ready.

I'm ready.

Hey, but first, before we get started, let's hear a quick voicemail from a certain so and so who just hit us to a thing that we've all been watching. But it is something we need to be paying more attention to.

Hey, but first, before we get started, let's hear a quick voicemail from a certain so and so who just hit us to a thing that we've all been watching. But it is something we need to be paying more attention to.

Here we go, this is Scorpion.

Here we go, this is Scorpion.

I think that you should take a look at some of the stuff that current President Trump has been doing, specifically regarding declassifying files regarding the JFK, DAVE LK, and RFK, and so that the rumor is right now that a unprecedented number of documents are about to be declassified and releases in the public. So that might be something for you guys to take a look at. All right, feel free to use this if you so desire. Again, this is long time off.

I think that you should take a look at some of the stuff that current President Trump has been doing, specifically regarding declassifying files regarding the JFK, DAVE LK, and RFK, and so that the rumor is right now that a unprecedented number of documents are about to be declassified and releases in the public. So that might be something for you guys to take a look at. All right, feel free to use this if you so desire. Again, this is long time off.

Oh, Matt, have you actually read any of these executive orders? Like the language of them is very fascinating to me. At the very least, the first line by the authority vested in me as president by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America. It is hereby ordered as follows, and then you know the things that follow, which are declassification of JFK, r f K and what's the what's the third one MLK of course, yes, and you've got real deep knowledge on those MLK tapes, and I'm sure through the production of that podcast, you know, got a sense of what might be in some of these these documents.

Oh, Matt, have you actually read any of these executive orders? Like the language of them is very fascinating to me. At the very least, the first line by the authority vested in me as president by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America. It is hereby ordered as follows, and then you know the things that follow, which are declassification of JFK, r f K and what's the what's the third one MLK of course, yes, and you've got real deep knowledge on those MLK tapes, and I'm sure through the production of that podcast, you know, got a sense of what might be in some of these these documents.

Oh, for certain, I am at the edge of my seat waiting basically, and you know, this show, each of us as individuals, but also this show as a thing has been on those JFK and RFK files as well, for gosh, since we've started, and we every couple of years, usually with every administration, there's an announcement, Hey, we're going to release some more files. We're gonna get a little bit more out there, and.

Oh, for certain, I am at the edge of my seat waiting basically, and you know, this show, each of us as individuals, but also this show as a thing has been on those JFK and RFK files as well, for gosh, since we've started, and we every couple of years, usually with every administration, there's an announcement, Hey, we're going to release some more files. We're gonna get a little bit more out there, and.

They do just a little trickle, you know, well, well, yeah, and it's true, and they do, and it's it's sometimes hundreds of files, sometimes thousands of files, and then it's the job of journalists to go through and parse through that stuff figure out if there's anything that's worth actually telling everybody about and making it a story.

They do just a little trickle, you know, well, well, yeah, and it's true, and they do, and it's it's sometimes hundreds of files, sometimes thousands of files, and then it's the job of journalists to go through and parse through that stuff figure out if there's anything that's worth actually telling everybody about and making it a story.

I asked such a boneheaded question that I will fully cop to before we start recording on, Like, so what happens next? Are they just going to like make a website for it? The government? It's like here it is, guys here, That's not how it works. It's all these FOYA acts, you know, requests and then you're right, I mean, they may declassify it, but it's still just potentially a needle in a haystack kind of situation for the folks that have to parse through it.

I asked such a boneheaded question that I will fully cop to before we start recording on, Like, so what happens next? Are they just going to like make a website for it? The government? It's like here it is, guys here, That's not how it works. It's all these FOYA acts, you know, requests and then you're right, I mean, they may declassify it, but it's still just potentially a needle in a haystack kind of situation for the folks that have to parse through it.

Like you said, yeah, I am assuming because of the weight of this executive order that there will be some kind of pr notice, like a public relations first or something that comes out, Hey, here are the new files. They exist now and you can look at them here. It would be pretty amazing to have the entirety of all of it just laid out so we would know what's happening, but it also could be terrifying.

Like you said, yeah, I am assuming because of the weight of this executive order that there will be some kind of pr notice, like a public relations first or something that comes out, Hey, here are the new files. They exist now and you can look at them here. It would be pretty amazing to have the entirety of all of it just laid out so we would know what's happening, but it also could be terrifying.

Well do you have a sense of what a move like this means or what the message is like? Is it a we've got nothing to hide kind of situation? Is it like it's been long enough, we want to give people the truth? Like I just I always kind of second guess, these kinds of decisions, you know, from a pr standpoint.

Well do you have a sense of what a move like this means or what the message is like? Is it a we've got nothing to hide kind of situation? Is it like it's been long enough, we want to give people the truth? Like I just I always kind of second guess, these kinds of decisions, you know, from a pr standpoint.

Right.

Right.

In my mind, everybody is aware at this point that there are secrets when it comes to what happened during each of those three assassinations, right, what the what the government did, how they reacted, what they knew beforehand, all of that stuff. There's some secrets in there somewhere that none of us know yet, but all of us know that those the answers to the questions that remain are either going to be damaging to someone, tell Diligence Agency, to the government itself, to you know, the way other countries view the United States. There's something in there that's dangerous and damaging that the stamp of National Security is just real bright on that thing.

In my mind, everybody is aware at this point that there are secrets when it comes to what happened during each of those three assassinations, right, what the what the government did, how they reacted, what they knew beforehand, all of that stuff. There's some secrets in there somewhere that none of us know yet, but all of us know that those the answers to the questions that remain are either going to be damaging to someone, tell Diligence Agency, to the government itself, to you know, the way other countries view the United States. There's something in there that's dangerous and damaging that the stamp of National Security is just real bright on that thing.

But the question is damaging to whom? Like if it is a political maneuver, is this something where there's the potential for like a previous administration to take a fall for it or another you know, not opposing political party. I just maybe I'm overthinking it, but it does seem like there has to be some maneuvering in that direction.

But the question is damaging to whom? Like if it is a political maneuver, is this something where there's the potential for like a previous administration to take a fall for it or another you know, not opposing political party. I just maybe I'm overthinking it, but it does seem like there has to be some maneuvering in that direction.

Well, you know, this is speculation on my part, but I feel as though if you got to the heart of the matter. With each of those, you might find out some super unsettling things about the FBI and how it really functioned. At least that's what the MLK tapes kind of got pointed towards. Basically what we uncovered and what you and Ben and I have been talking about for you know, being almost two decades now, got.

Well, you know, this is speculation on my part, but I feel as though if you got to the heart of the matter. With each of those, you might find out some super unsettling things about the FBI and how it really functioned. At least that's what the MLK tapes kind of got pointed towards. Basically what we uncovered and what you and Ben and I have been talking about for you know, being almost two decades now, got.

Well, and I mean maybe to that point, Matt, it could well help the argument of you know, we need to clean house and restructure government agencies and like redefine how these things work because there's too much corruption and too little oversight.

Well, and I mean maybe to that point, Matt, it could well help the argument of you know, we need to clean house and restructure government agencies and like redefine how these things work because there's too much corruption and too little oversight.

Yeah, in the sixties there was too much corruption, because that's really.

Yeah, in the sixties there was too much corruption, because that's really.

Mere talking about, right, But I'm just saying, like, if there was a political reason for doing something like this and the news stories that it'll generate, you know, it makes sense that it would be something that a current official could point to and justify maybe some of the stuff that they're doing, if they even bother needing to justify it, you.

Mere talking about, right, But I'm just saying, like, if there was a political reason for doing something like this and the news stories that it'll generate, you know, it makes sense that it would be something that a current official could point to and justify maybe some of the stuff that they're doing, if they even bother needing to justify it, you.

Know, for sure, for sure, But for now we're gonna have to just sit around, keep your eyes peeled to those internets and see what we find, because it could be beautiful. It could be terrifying either way. It's about the death of three highly influential, important human beings, so it's probably not going to be fun.

Know, for sure, for sure, But for now we're gonna have to just sit around, keep your eyes peeled to those internets and see what we find, because it could be beautiful. It could be terrifying either way. It's about the death of three highly influential, important human beings, so it's probably not going to be fun.

Yeah, and three fascinatingly flawed human beings. Yeah, if you really look into their backstories. And I mean, it's just I don't know. The history alone is staggering.

Yeah, and three fascinatingly flawed human beings. Yeah, if you really look into their backstories. And I mean, it's just I don't know. The history alone is staggering.

For sure, for sure, So let's all pay attention for now. We're going to take a quick break here, word from our sponsors, and we'll be right back with more messages from you.

For sure, for sure, So let's all pay attention for now. We're going to take a quick break here, word from our sponsors, and we'll be right back with more messages from you.

And we're back with a couple of shorties, one with a fun link that we're going to get right to about some strange news actually, but we'll start with a message from Sacra Tomato, who is from Sacramento. And I first read this, I read it as you can call me Sacramento. I'm from Sacramento. Much more clever than that. He's a sacred Tomato going on. I read a lot, and as I was listening to your podcast on social media and attention span, I started thinking about how sometimes I'll catch myself finishing a page and realizing I didn't absorb a single thing from the last paragraph and go back to actually absorb the content. It's like driving subconsciously. I think I've started to read to the point that I can finish a book and not know what I've even read, just like how we can SubCom justly do that. Also ironic, I was writing this email while listening to a show in low attention span mode. Nice Sacer Tomato, I pluge you for your candor here. I have experienced this phenomenon more times than I can count, and it has actually hindered me from being much of a reader. I've really I've mentioned it on the show before, like, I've got a goal that I want to, like read a handful of these wonderful books and music biographies and fiction that I've bought over the last few years but have not been able to crack because of this very thing. I'll start reading, I'll find myself thinking about something else while still reading the words. But to Ben's point, you can't multitask. You're not fully thinking about the thing outside of what you're doing, and you're also not fully processing the information that you're taking in while doing that, And I find myself rereading whole pages and still having a hard time feeling like I'm retaining. And so my goal this year is to really do some of the things we were talking about of limiting screen time. A friend of mine turned me onto an app, actually, I think one of probably many that sort of limits your screen time and it sort of locks you out and gives a lots you little bits of time. Obviously you can always bypass it, but I wish I knew the name of it. But I mean, this type of app certainly is is a thing, and for good reason. Right, But have you experienced this, Matt with trying to sit down and really take in a book.

And we're back with a couple of shorties, one with a fun link that we're going to get right to about some strange news actually, but we'll start with a message from Sacra Tomato, who is from Sacramento. And I first read this, I read it as you can call me Sacramento. I'm from Sacramento. Much more clever than that. He's a sacred Tomato going on. I read a lot, and as I was listening to your podcast on social media and attention span, I started thinking about how sometimes I'll catch myself finishing a page and realizing I didn't absorb a single thing from the last paragraph and go back to actually absorb the content. It's like driving subconsciously. I think I've started to read to the point that I can finish a book and not know what I've even read, just like how we can SubCom justly do that. Also ironic, I was writing this email while listening to a show in low attention span mode. Nice Sacer Tomato, I pluge you for your candor here. I have experienced this phenomenon more times than I can count, and it has actually hindered me from being much of a reader. I've really I've mentioned it on the show before, like, I've got a goal that I want to, like read a handful of these wonderful books and music biographies and fiction that I've bought over the last few years but have not been able to crack because of this very thing. I'll start reading, I'll find myself thinking about something else while still reading the words. But to Ben's point, you can't multitask. You're not fully thinking about the thing outside of what you're doing, and you're also not fully processing the information that you're taking in while doing that, And I find myself rereading whole pages and still having a hard time feeling like I'm retaining. And so my goal this year is to really do some of the things we were talking about of limiting screen time. A friend of mine turned me onto an app, actually, I think one of probably many that sort of limits your screen time and it sort of locks you out and gives a lots you little bits of time. Obviously you can always bypass it, but I wish I knew the name of it. But I mean, this type of app certainly is is a thing, and for good reason. Right, But have you experienced this, Matt with trying to sit down and really take in a book.

Yes, for sure, it's a bit different for me. Most of my reading now occurs on a screen, and it's usually an article or you know.

Yes, for sure, it's a bit different for me. Most of my reading now occurs on a screen, and it's usually an article or you know.

Part of the problem, isn't it. We're so we're doing the thing that is limiting our attentions ban for our work, and then we also still live in that same ecosystem for pleasure, and it starts to the lines get really blurry. I'm sorry to interrupt. I just it occurs to me that that's exactly true for me as well. But I find that it just bolsters my screen dependency.

Part of the problem, isn't it. We're so we're doing the thing that is limiting our attentions ban for our work, and then we also still live in that same ecosystem for pleasure, and it starts to the lines get really blurry. I'm sorry to interrupt. I just it occurs to me that that's exactly true for me as well. But I find that it just bolsters my screen dependency.

Oh for sure. I've noticed that I use the same rules with reading as I do for psychedelic drugs. Okay, which is a little weird. It's set and setting for me, okay. And so if I prepare myself to read, I prepare my environment to read, and I you know, make it. I actively think about where I'm going to be, how I'm going to be sitting, what the light's going to be like yep, and then I go and I do that thing I can focus in on just that.

Oh for sure. I've noticed that I use the same rules with reading as I do for psychedelic drugs. Okay, which is a little weird. It's set and setting for me, okay. And so if I prepare myself to read, I prepare my environment to read, and I you know, make it. I actively think about where I'm going to be, how I'm going to be sitting, what the light's going to be like yep, and then I go and I do that thing I can focus in on just that.

Yeah. I recently bought some really cool record sholves that are more like the kind you might see in a record store, and it's caused me to really enjoy my record collection more records, flip through and put something on. And I've been doing that constantly because the act of picking out and putting on a record and listening to the span of time that it takes to fill up one side of that record, and in that time, like focusing on doing the task and using that the kind of mark time. I've tried to be more intentional just with my you know, around the house time, and I think I'm going to next goal for me is to figure out that set and setting for reading a book. Maybe it involves putting on a record. Maybe it's a type of record, like an ambient you know, electronic instrumental record or something, and then I read for the duration of one side of the record, you know, and then maybe take a little pause, flip it over, read a little more, and if I can consume it maybe in chunks like that, maybe I can manage my attention span better and almost I don't know, retrain that muscle, because it atrophies, you know what I mean.

Yeah. I recently bought some really cool record sholves that are more like the kind you might see in a record store, and it's caused me to really enjoy my record collection more records, flip through and put something on. And I've been doing that constantly because the act of picking out and putting on a record and listening to the span of time that it takes to fill up one side of that record, and in that time, like focusing on doing the task and using that the kind of mark time. I've tried to be more intentional just with my you know, around the house time, and I think I'm going to next goal for me is to figure out that set and setting for reading a book. Maybe it involves putting on a record. Maybe it's a type of record, like an ambient you know, electronic instrumental record or something, and then I read for the duration of one side of the record, you know, and then maybe take a little pause, flip it over, read a little more, and if I can consume it maybe in chunks like that, maybe I can manage my attention span better and almost I don't know, retrain that muscle, because it atrophies, you know what I mean.

Oh yeah, for sure, for sure. It's been a long time since I've been so I was going to use the word enraptured, since I was so stuck in a book and excited about its contents that I would just pick it up and read it, even if there are people talking around me, even if there's stuff going on in my world, that I would just sit and look at a book and read it.

Oh yeah, for sure, for sure. It's been a long time since I've been so I was going to use the word enraptured, since I was so stuck in a book and excited about its contents that I would just pick it up and read it, even if there are people talking around me, even if there's stuff going on in my world, that I would just sit and look at a book and read it.

I forgot what that feels a long time, and I want to get that back. It's a wonderful feeling. And you know, Ben is such a voracious reader, and I really envy him a lot of times, Like I've been on long flights with him where I've seen him finish a book, like you know, on a six hour flight to the West coast or whatever.

I forgot what that feels a long time, and I want to get that back. It's a wonderful feeling. And you know, Ben is such a voracious reader, and I really envy him a lot of times, Like I've been on long flights with him where I've seen him finish a book, like you know, on a six hour flight to the West coast or whatever.

Yep, it's amazing. It's a super power.

Yep, it's amazing. It's a super power.

It is indeed, Well, thank you, Sakra Tomato. We hear you, We support you in your struggle. We're honestly right there with you. Moving on to a message from our pal, the Stoned Coyote, but in this situation, he's referring to himself by the new more fiery moniker, the combustible Coyote, and you'll see by in a second. Hey guys, I hope you are seeing this. The tact deck has shown to be effective with the pagers and radios, so it only makes sense that others are going to find ways to implement it. And I should have copied and pasted. He probably had a really clever subject line for this email, like exploding goggles or something like that, but I left that out. But he is in fact talking about a news story that he linked to on Business Insider about drone headsets, and Matt, maybe you know a little bit more about the tech here, but I'm imagining this is like these are military grade drone headsets that go along with piloting a small drone. It would be a heads up display like of like an on board camera, you know, on the device that you would be able to like, you know, monitor maybe have some stats or you know, what's the word like pitch and y'aw kind of like flight simulator type, some sort of center radical or something. I don't know if you have you heard much about these.

It is indeed, Well, thank you, Sakra Tomato. We hear you, We support you in your struggle. We're honestly right there with you. Moving on to a message from our pal, the Stoned Coyote, but in this situation, he's referring to himself by the new more fiery moniker, the combustible Coyote, and you'll see by in a second. Hey guys, I hope you are seeing this. The tact deck has shown to be effective with the pagers and radios, so it only makes sense that others are going to find ways to implement it. And I should have copied and pasted. He probably had a really clever subject line for this email, like exploding goggles or something like that, but I left that out. But he is in fact talking about a news story that he linked to on Business Insider about drone headsets, and Matt, maybe you know a little bit more about the tech here, but I'm imagining this is like these are military grade drone headsets that go along with piloting a small drone. It would be a heads up display like of like an on board camera, you know, on the device that you would be able to like, you know, monitor maybe have some stats or you know, what's the word like pitch and y'aw kind of like flight simulator type, some sort of center radical or something. I don't know if you have you heard much about these.

Yeah, there are a bunch of bunch of different versions and you know, upgrades that are constantly happening, and it's a it's a technology that is just honestly skyrocketing when it comes to innovation. Some of them are full on like virtual environments that you go into, you know, and some of them are.

Yeah, there are a bunch of bunch of different versions and you know, upgrades that are constantly happening, and it's a it's a technology that is just honestly skyrocketing when it comes to innovation. Some of them are full on like virtual environments that you go into, you know, and some of them are.

A little yep, I'm seeing it now, VR headsets. That sounds incredible, It doesn't that kind of like make the idea of flying and drones sound a whole lot more fun. But also if you were using in the military capacity, a whole lot more precise.

A little yep, I'm seeing it now, VR headsets. That sounds incredible, It doesn't that kind of like make the idea of flying and drones sound a whole lot more fun. But also if you were using in the military capacity, a whole lot more precise.

Yeah, uh and quite frankly terrifying.

Yeah, uh and quite frankly terrifying.

No one million, I'm sorry. I always kind of get hung up and not hung up, but excited about the nerdy tech side of it before I then realize the kind of long term humanity ramifications of some of these kind of things. I try to live somewhere between those two extremes for sure. For sure, Well, in any case, these things are exploding on people's heads, Russian troops heads. In fact, there's an article I referenced, or actually that the muscible coyote referenced on Business Insider by Mia Jenkowik's drone headsets sent to Russian troops were booby trapped to explode when switched on, State media says, and that state news agency is TASS. They say that the sabotaged headsets were supplied via humanitarian aid. That's interesting. I guess I never really thought of humanitarian aid doling out military gear.

No one million, I'm sorry. I always kind of get hung up and not hung up, but excited about the nerdy tech side of it before I then realize the kind of long term humanity ramifications of some of these kind of things. I try to live somewhere between those two extremes for sure. For sure, Well, in any case, these things are exploding on people's heads, Russian troops heads. In fact, there's an article I referenced, or actually that the muscible coyote referenced on Business Insider by Mia Jenkowik's drone headsets sent to Russian troops were booby trapped to explode when switched on, State media says, and that state news agency is TASS. They say that the sabotaged headsets were supplied via humanitarian aid. That's interesting. I guess I never really thought of humanitarian aid doling out military gear.

Yeah, let's go, let just on that note. Let's go to the source for sure. Please, where how did Business Insider hear about this? Well, they heard about it from Igor.

Yeah, let's go, let just on that note. Let's go to the source for sure. Please, where how did Business Insider hear about this? Well, they heard about it from Igor.

Popov much better. Whichever potato Potapov.

Popov much better. Whichever potato Potapov.

He is, quote a spokesperson for the Russian manufacturer JSC NPP, and he told a state controlled news agency at we got well. But but this is a spokesperson for a Russian manufacturer speaking to a state controlled news agency, and they are saying that an individual donated the goggles, as you married humanitarian aids. So like some person, this guy is telling a stake troll thing some person. It feels, it feels it's way down the line there, right, So it's we're not saying this isn't true necessarily, it's just like sounds like something.

He is, quote a spokesperson for the Russian manufacturer JSC NPP, and he told a state controlled news agency at we got well. But but this is a spokesperson for a Russian manufacturer speaking to a state controlled news agency, and they are saying that an individual donated the goggles, as you married humanitarian aids. So like some person, this guy is telling a stake troll thing some person. It feels, it feels it's way down the line there, right, So it's we're not saying this isn't true necessarily, it's just like sounds like something.

Is that just a box that you tick when you donate military VR drones to a government, to a country.

Is that just a box that you tick when you donate military VR drones to a government, to a country.

What are one of the biggest threats facing you know, the Russian military right now as they operate in Ukraine. What are one of the biggest threats that Ukrainian soldiers and you know, citizens are facing right now? It is these drones, absolutely, And those drones. It's like the actual body of the drone is designed to either hold explosives or carry explosives, and you know, in this case there's high explosives at least according to the story inside the headset. So you're trying to take out the person that's trying to take out the verse soldiers.

What are one of the biggest threats facing you know, the Russian military right now as they operate in Ukraine. What are one of the biggest threats that Ukrainian soldiers and you know, citizens are facing right now? It is these drones, absolutely, And those drones. It's like the actual body of the drone is designed to either hold explosives or carry explosives, and you know, in this case there's high explosives at least according to the story inside the headset. So you're trying to take out the person that's trying to take out the verse soldiers.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, And this article is answering literally every single question that I posed at the top. Pot Topop said the goggles were a brand Skyzone Cobra x V four and they're used to, just as I was maybe conjecturing, provide a first person view when controlling these drones. And again I also imagine that it has a you know, x Y type role and all of that stuff as well. He added, as quoting directly from the Business Insider piece, that when the military opened the batch, they found plastic explosives and all of the products nikes. They don't go into detail about like did this literally blow people's heads off? I mean, is that the implication, Matt, I.

Yeah, And this article is answering literally every single question that I posed at the top. Pot Topop said the goggles were a brand Skyzone Cobra x V four and they're used to, just as I was maybe conjecturing, provide a first person view when controlling these drones. And again I also imagine that it has a you know, x Y type role and all of that stuff as well. He added, as quoting directly from the Business Insider piece, that when the military opened the batch, they found plastic explosives and all of the products nikes. They don't go into detail about like did this literally blow people's heads off? I mean, is that the implication, Matt, I.

Mean potentially, But in this case, they're just saying they open up a shipment and maybe they had some some way of testing the product for or narcotics or whatever they were doing, you know, some kind of customs system where they got a shipment in, they checked them out and they found plastic explosives. And I'm assuming anybody and everybody who was buying sourcing electronic devices for their military right or for military use, I'm assuming everybody right now is checking everything.

Mean potentially, But in this case, they're just saying they open up a shipment and maybe they had some some way of testing the product for or narcotics or whatever they were doing, you know, some kind of customs system where they got a shipment in, they checked them out and they found plastic explosives. And I'm assuming anybody and everybody who was buying sourcing electronic devices for their military right or for military use, I'm assuming everybody right now is checking everything.

Oh absolutely, I mean, this is the statement from Potopov is just so or Patapov is just so straightforward. It just says when the glasses were turned on, they detonated and exploded. There's no mention of like were they on a person or again, like you said, were they being tested. But it's a good point, Matt, because this does go back to a story that we covered pretty in depth. All those exploding pagers and walkie talkies that's plagued hesbola.

Oh absolutely, I mean, this is the statement from Potopov is just so or Patapov is just so straightforward. It just says when the glasses were turned on, they detonated and exploded. There's no mention of like were they on a person or again, like you said, were they being tested. But it's a good point, Matt, because this does go back to a story that we covered pretty in depth. All those exploding pagers and walkie talkies that's plagued hesbola.

Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, very dangerous situation for an individual human when that stuff's happening and right, and if you're on the wrong side of wherever is attempting to sabotage your tech, yep, all you gotta do usually is turn it on or have a signal sent to it, depending on how the device is triggered, and then it's over. In this case, there is a telegram account that allegedly showed stuff right like you you can see. I'm looking at images right now of what appears to be plastic explosive in a fairly tight container that would be a part of this br headset.

Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, very dangerous situation for an individual human when that stuff's happening and right, and if you're on the wrong side of wherever is attempting to sabotage your tech, yep, all you gotta do usually is turn it on or have a signal sent to it, depending on how the device is triggered, and then it's over. In this case, there is a telegram account that allegedly showed stuff right like you you can see. I'm looking at images right now of what appears to be plastic explosive in a fairly tight container that would be a part of this br headset.

I gotta wonder when you look at like you know, tech, when you open it up and you look at like a printed circuit board and all the little components. I've been doing a lot of that with all this modular garbage that I mess with. There are little capacitors and little things they're soldered onto one of these circuit boards, and they sometimes are a little round kind of plastic things with a coating on them. I do wonder is it that little because it wouldn't be enough C four when maybe that's just too generic a term for plastic explosives, but that's what I remember from like the Diehard movies. If it was just a small amount, it would be enough to really really injure somebody, but not like enough to take out a building or something. So I'm wondering, Yeah, are they literally sneaking it in it's disguised as some of these soldered on components.

I gotta wonder when you look at like you know, tech, when you open it up and you look at like a printed circuit board and all the little components. I've been doing a lot of that with all this modular garbage that I mess with. There are little capacitors and little things they're soldered onto one of these circuit boards, and they sometimes are a little round kind of plastic things with a coating on them. I do wonder is it that little because it wouldn't be enough C four when maybe that's just too generic a term for plastic explosives, but that's what I remember from like the Diehard movies. If it was just a small amount, it would be enough to really really injure somebody, but not like enough to take out a building or something. So I'm wondering, Yeah, are they literally sneaking it in it's disguised as some of these soldered on components.

Uh no, in this case, imagine the housing, like the side housing, that would be a plastic piece that goes over the metal components to kind of give the product a shape or something. In between that piece of plastic and the actual metal part, the internal metal part, there's plastic explosive. It looks kind of like putty spread throughout that like flat surface, and it appears to be about the side like maybe half the size of a cell phone, at least that's what it looks like from the images I'm seeing. So it's designed to take out personnel, like a single person whoever is going to use this device. It'll take that person out, but it's probably not going to you know, damage what.

Uh no, in this case, imagine the housing, like the side housing, that would be a plastic piece that goes over the metal components to kind of give the product a shape or something. In between that piece of plastic and the actual metal part, the internal metal part, there's plastic explosive. It looks kind of like putty spread throughout that like flat surface, and it appears to be about the side like maybe half the size of a cell phone, at least that's what it looks like from the images I'm seeing. So it's designed to take out personnel, like a single person whoever is going to use this device. It'll take that person out, but it's probably not going to you know, damage what.

I was suggesting, but not enough to like take out a facility like this is like, oh ye, a single, single serve explosive device.

I was suggesting, but not enough to like take out a facility like this is like, oh ye, a single, single serve explosive device.

Oh yeah, oh yeah.

Oh yeah, oh yeah.

And you know we're not the only one making this connection. Matthew Ford was a war expert and a lecturer in international relations at Sussex University or the University of Sussex. He compared it to Israel's attacks on Hesbola and Lebanon using those explosive pagers last September. And this kind of calls attention, as does the pager story. And to your point, matg just like of how important it is to keep tight tabs on these supply chains. Because this device that we're talking about is available on Amazon currently for like three hundred and thirty bucks just the headset controller. I guess it can be adapted to control different drones, but I wouldn't have thought that, so, I mean, this is not some sort of like you know, custom made, small run piece of tech. This is like consumer grade.

And you know we're not the only one making this connection. Matthew Ford was a war expert and a lecturer in international relations at Sussex University or the University of Sussex. He compared it to Israel's attacks on Hesbola and Lebanon using those explosive pagers last September. And this kind of calls attention, as does the pager story. And to your point, matg just like of how important it is to keep tight tabs on these supply chains. Because this device that we're talking about is available on Amazon currently for like three hundred and thirty bucks just the headset controller. I guess it can be adapted to control different drones, but I wouldn't have thought that, so, I mean, this is not some sort of like you know, custom made, small run piece of tech. This is like consumer grade.

Yeah, that would be an interesting trade off. If you were going to use your drone to go blow somebody up, you also have to blow up at the moment of explosions wherever your drone is.

Yeah, that would be an interesting trade off. If you were going to use your drone to go blow somebody up, you also have to blow up at the moment of explosions wherever your drone is.

I like that. I'm yeah, peace on Earth man, Yeah, we'll get there real quick with that policy. So well, thanks a million to the exploding coyote. Now the combustible coyote. Eploding coyote is cool too. That sounds like another you know, goth band or something. And then I just wanted to read a quick add of boy. I guess sort of. I don't know. We don't often read these kinds of messages, but I thought it was relevant. Just someone talking about, you know, the way we've been discussing Elon Musk and like his low key overthrow of the government or whatever you want to call it is, you know, the Doge Department or division and his gaggle of young hackers, some of whom had some problematic backgrounds. Something's got to be discussed. We're experiencing it right alongside everybody else. But Seer just wrote in and said, good segment. Guys, don't be too spooked. We're all seeing this play out in real time. Be real, say what's happening. We listen to be informed. See her, that's very swee appreciate that we're doing the best again, and it definitely is something to be freaked out about. Whatever side of the political aisle you may fall I think, Yeah, we've all read nineteen eighty four. I mean, it's it's hard to not see some comparisons and talk about him.

I like that. I'm yeah, peace on Earth man, Yeah, we'll get there real quick with that policy. So well, thanks a million to the exploding coyote. Now the combustible coyote. Eploding coyote is cool too. That sounds like another you know, goth band or something. And then I just wanted to read a quick add of boy. I guess sort of. I don't know. We don't often read these kinds of messages, but I thought it was relevant. Just someone talking about, you know, the way we've been discussing Elon Musk and like his low key overthrow of the government or whatever you want to call it is, you know, the Doge Department or division and his gaggle of young hackers, some of whom had some problematic backgrounds. Something's got to be discussed. We're experiencing it right alongside everybody else. But Seer just wrote in and said, good segment. Guys, don't be too spooked. We're all seeing this play out in real time. Be real, say what's happening. We listen to be informed. See her, that's very swee appreciate that we're doing the best again, and it definitely is something to be freaked out about. Whatever side of the political aisle you may fall I think, Yeah, we've all read nineteen eighty four. I mean, it's it's hard to not see some comparisons and talk about him.

Yeah, we're we're doing quite a few what what should we call lookbacks. We're doing some lookbacks in history just to see some other things that have happened in the past that some alignments.

Yeah, we're we're doing quite a few what what should we call lookbacks. We're doing some lookbacks in history just to see some other things that have happened in the past that some alignments.

You know.

You know.

Yeah, history doesn't always repeat, but it rhymes like Ben likes to say, you've seen some pretty firebars from history right now.

Yeah, history doesn't always repeat, but it rhymes like Ben likes to say, you've seen some pretty firebars from history right now.

Yeah, yeah, did anybody Noel happened to catch the the thing where Elon's four year old was getting interviewed with him.

Yeah, yeah, did anybody Noel happened to catch the the thing where Elon's four year old was getting interviewed with him.

It's weird. Yeah, he said something like us talking about SpaceX, like we just do whatever we want or something like that. He's like, what it was it that he says?

It's weird. Yeah, he said something like us talking about SpaceX, like we just do whatever we want or something like that. He's like, what it was it that he says?

Specifically, he said something to the kin of quietly, like we'll quietly.

Specifically, he said something to the kin of quietly, like we'll quietly.

Do quietly do whatever we.

Do quietly do whatever we.

Want, something about avoiding taxes or like before the taxes come in, then we'll quietly do whatever we want. And then he had a maniacal billionairely.

Want, something about avoiding taxes or like before the taxes come in, then we'll quietly do whatever we want. And then he had a maniacal billionairely.

He sure did. And then that other very interesting appearance of young X in the Oval office where Trump's just kind of sitting there the whole time. While you know, Elon Fields questions from the press. At some point that I saw a meme where it kind of did a close up on X and he's looking at Trump and saying like, don't talk, shut your mouth or something. What don't I don't think it was ai dude, and kids, we know kids say the darnedest things, and there it was definitely some darnedest things coming out of that kid's mouth.

He sure did. And then that other very interesting appearance of young X in the Oval office where Trump's just kind of sitting there the whole time. While you know, Elon Fields questions from the press. At some point that I saw a meme where it kind of did a close up on X and he's looking at Trump and saying like, don't talk, shut your mouth or something. What don't I don't think it was ai dude, and kids, we know kids say the darnedest things, and there it was definitely some darnedest things coming out of that kid's mouth.

It's uh, really interesting. And again that's like it's a show, it's a big weird show.

It's uh, really interesting. And again that's like it's a show, it's a big weird show.

But it's also looking me. I'm like, I'm a kid with me in the workplace, like I'm a human. I'm just like you.

But it's also looking me. I'm like, I'm a kid with me in the workplace, like I'm a human. I'm just like you.

Yeah, it's just dad's day. So he's here and he's going to tell the sitting president while he sits, you know, at his desk. Oh here it is here, it is. I found another one quote, you're not the president, you need to go away. And then he went over and picked his nose for a while.

Yeah, it's just dad's day. So he's here and he's going to tell the sitting president while he sits, you know, at his desk. Oh here it is here, it is. I found another one quote, you're not the president, you need to go away. And then he went over and picked his nose for a while.

It's crazy. It's too much, you guys, I mean, listen, we can't not talk about it. So thanks Sierra, and thanks to Combustible Coyote, and thanks to Sakra Tomato for those wonderful missives from you, Yes, you the public, Matt, would you say we take a little quick break and then we come back with some audio listener now, yes.

It's crazy. It's too much, you guys, I mean, listen, we can't not talk about it. So thanks Sierra, and thanks to Combustible Coyote, and thanks to Sakra Tomato for those wonderful missives from you, Yes, you the public, Matt, would you say we take a little quick break and then we come back with some audio listener now, yes.

Sir ee, and we've returned. Let's jump to the phone lines to hear some personal experience about incarcerated firefighters. So we've been talking about this a lot. It's a complicated issue, and depending on where you are and what you've seen, you may think about it one way. Let's hear from somebody who has someone in their family who has gone through that experience, and you know, as a third party to somebody you know going through it, like, what does she think. Let's jump to mellow.

Sir ee, and we've returned. Let's jump to the phone lines to hear some personal experience about incarcerated firefighters. So we've been talking about this a lot. It's a complicated issue, and depending on where you are and what you've seen, you may think about it one way. Let's hear from somebody who has someone in their family who has gone through that experience, and you know, as a third party to somebody you know going through it, like, what does she think. Let's jump to mellow.

Hey, guys, I was listening to your recent podcast about firefighters in California, the incarcerated ones. My biological dad is an inmate in Idaho, and he's been in and out of this particular penitentiary for a couple of years, and he has been on their firefighting slot for the last ten years or so, on and off. You know, it's probably a little bit more than that, maybe about fifteen years. And as an chronically incarcerated person, he loves it. It's something to get him out of their area. You can only do it if you're you know, in good standing in your prison, that way that they give you, you know, leeway to leave. So for some of them, it gives them kind of a incentive to stay right while they're in prison, so that they can potentially leave never they have the opportunity to. Saying opportunity seems callous because it's destructive and people's lives are at stake, I will caveat and say it is disgusting. It is quite literally slave labor. What they're doing for the wages that they're doing is horrendous. It's not like the prices in prison are any cheaper. They are still making five dollars to ten dollars a day, and that five dollars to ten dollars then pretty similarly as it does out here, so it's not like they're earning a lot. And the work that they are doing is incredibly dangerous. But with that, I do think a lot of them do enjoy the opportunity. Like you are saying that moral obligation of I have the time, I have the means, I have the body, I have you know, the strength to do it, so why not me instead of somebody else? And I think that is incredibly brave and selfless of them to do, to be able to put themselves out there and do that. But there's there's no reason why they shouldn't be compensated or at the minimum be able to work as a firefighter after they're potentially out and you know, use those skills to do a good use. You know, it's disgusting and callous that they get out of prison and do all of this hard working stuff and learn all these skills and they still can't be a firefighter in the states that they're in. So I definitely think means like that need to be changed, and the pay needs to change, you know, or the payment needs to change, whether it be able to do sentence or something that's better for the person who's working. Anyways, I'm probably almost out of time. Thank you guys. Have a great day, Mellow. I guess if you need to, you get party later.

Hey, guys, I was listening to your recent podcast about firefighters in California, the incarcerated ones. My biological dad is an inmate in Idaho, and he's been in and out of this particular penitentiary for a couple of years, and he has been on their firefighting slot for the last ten years or so, on and off. You know, it's probably a little bit more than that, maybe about fifteen years. And as an chronically incarcerated person, he loves it. It's something to get him out of their area. You can only do it if you're you know, in good standing in your prison, that way that they give you, you know, leeway to leave. So for some of them, it gives them kind of a incentive to stay right while they're in prison, so that they can potentially leave never they have the opportunity to. Saying opportunity seems callous because it's destructive and people's lives are at stake, I will caveat and say it is disgusting. It is quite literally slave labor. What they're doing for the wages that they're doing is horrendous. It's not like the prices in prison are any cheaper. They are still making five dollars to ten dollars a day, and that five dollars to ten dollars then pretty similarly as it does out here, so it's not like they're earning a lot. And the work that they are doing is incredibly dangerous. But with that, I do think a lot of them do enjoy the opportunity. Like you are saying that moral obligation of I have the time, I have the means, I have the body, I have you know, the strength to do it, so why not me instead of somebody else? And I think that is incredibly brave and selfless of them to do, to be able to put themselves out there and do that. But there's there's no reason why they shouldn't be compensated or at the minimum be able to work as a firefighter after they're potentially out and you know, use those skills to do a good use. You know, it's disgusting and callous that they get out of prison and do all of this hard working stuff and learn all these skills and they still can't be a firefighter in the states that they're in. So I definitely think means like that need to be changed, and the pay needs to change, you know, or the payment needs to change, whether it be able to do sentence or something that's better for the person who's working. Anyways, I'm probably almost out of time. Thank you guys. Have a great day, Mellow. I guess if you need to, you get party later.

Lots of unpacked there, Oh yeah, definitely a lot. And thank you so much Mellow for giving us all of that too unpack because there's some great info in here. Specific I mean, there are so many things I want to talk about it, as you said, but let's let's get into it.

Lots of unpacked there, Oh yeah, definitely a lot. And thank you so much Mellow for giving us all of that too unpack because there's some great info in here. Specific I mean, there are so many things I want to talk about it, as you said, but let's let's get into it.

First.

First.

Of all, somebody who has been doing this for a long time, right, this is Melo's father. You know, someone who is, as she stated, chronically incarcerated, constantly going in and out of a prison system. But when they're in they are working as a firefighter. But once they get out of prison, you know, in those moments, right, even if you are constantly going back in for things. He you whoever, you know, imagine yourself as this person. You can't then work as a firefighter on the outside. That seems tremendously shortsighted. You know, maybe I can see the reasoning behind it and all that stuff, but again, I don't know. If somebody is trained and really good at doing something, why not put those skills to use?

Of all, somebody who has been doing this for a long time, right, this is Melo's father. You know, someone who is, as she stated, chronically incarcerated, constantly going in and out of a prison system. But when they're in they are working as a firefighter. But once they get out of prison, you know, in those moments, right, even if you are constantly going back in for things. He you whoever, you know, imagine yourself as this person. You can't then work as a firefighter on the outside. That seems tremendously shortsighted. You know, maybe I can see the reasoning behind it and all that stuff, but again, I don't know. If somebody is trained and really good at doing something, why not put those skills to use?

Oh? I completely agree, And I mean I was kind of just intrigued by the way the calls took a turn where it started with referencing her father and how this is something that he really digs, like he really enjoys doing this, the way of getting outdoors. I mean, even she as she was going through it, sort of kind of started checking herself almost because it's like she caught herself describing it as sort of this great thing. But then when you look at the behind the scenes of it and how much they're actually paid, and the absolute peril that they are in, you know, maybe comparatively to being stuck in a prison cell. It feels like a great opportunity I think was the word that she used, and sort of walked it back a little bit. I can see that perspective, but it is an absolute example of these folks being taken advantage of as well.

Oh? I completely agree, And I mean I was kind of just intrigued by the way the calls took a turn where it started with referencing her father and how this is something that he really digs, like he really enjoys doing this, the way of getting outdoors. I mean, even she as she was going through it, sort of kind of started checking herself almost because it's like she caught herself describing it as sort of this great thing. But then when you look at the behind the scenes of it and how much they're actually paid, and the absolute peril that they are in, you know, maybe comparatively to being stuck in a prison cell. It feels like a great opportunity I think was the word that she used, and sort of walked it back a little bit. I can see that perspective, but it is an absolute example of these folks being taken advantage of as well.

Oh yeah, well, and I think again this is a third, third person view of the thing, right, but it is it show. It gets us a little closer to that experience of what is it actually like and what does it mean to the person who is doing it. And in this case, it appears as though it stinks because the person is putting them graved danger and they're not getting compensated for it, even though they've done other things wrong in the past, right, And that's the reason that they don't get compensated the way they should. That's the reasoning, at least from the state's perspective as to why things are as they are. You did something wrong, now you don't get the good stuff anymore, and we are also going to use you, you know, for the laterities yeah, yeah, well for this really important, dangerous thing.

Oh yeah, well, and I think again this is a third, third person view of the thing, right, but it is it show. It gets us a little closer to that experience of what is it actually like and what does it mean to the person who is doing it. And in this case, it appears as though it stinks because the person is putting them graved danger and they're not getting compensated for it, even though they've done other things wrong in the past, right, And that's the reason that they don't get compensated the way they should. That's the reasoning, at least from the state's perspective as to why things are as they are. You did something wrong, now you don't get the good stuff anymore, and we are also going to use you, you know, for the laterities yeah, yeah, well for this really important, dangerous thing.

But it also represents sort of a lack or a shortcoming and just the institutions that are supposed to have that covered in the first place, right that it's that it's necessary. Is this isn't like we're sending inmates, you know, to fight a fire entirely on their own. This is to like bolster numbers you know, in various states and city firefighting organizations.

But it also represents sort of a lack or a shortcoming and just the institutions that are supposed to have that covered in the first place, right that it's that it's necessary. Is this isn't like we're sending inmates, you know, to fight a fire entirely on their own. This is to like bolster numbers you know, in various states and city firefighting organizations.

Right well, yeah, yeah, because if if depending on the state, the county and all that stuff, like is it a volunteer firefighting force? Is it a paid are fighting force? You know, do do the men and women who are out there doing it earn a salary? Or are they just there because they want to do something good? As we've heard from previous you know, people who've written in for sure, in this case, it's just it shows the complexity I think did did.

Right well, yeah, yeah, because if if depending on the state, the county and all that stuff, like is it a volunteer firefighting force? Is it a paid are fighting force? You know, do do the men and women who are out there doing it earn a salary? Or are they just there because they want to do something good? As we've heard from previous you know, people who've written in for sure, in this case, it's just it shows the complexity I think did did.

Did she go into whether or not this is a voluntary thing where it's like you sort of put yourself up for it and then you get selected or I mean that I guess that's a really important question for me. Or is this surely it couldn't just be forced assigned? Right? So there is a volunteer aspect to it.

Did she go into whether or not this is a voluntary thing where it's like you sort of put yourself up for it and then you get selected or I mean that I guess that's a really important question for me. Or is this surely it couldn't just be forced assigned? Right? So there is a volunteer aspect to it.

Yes, yes, And I'm when I'm speaking on volunteering, I'm speaking like on the outside, I get it away from the.

Yes, yes, And I'm when I'm speaking on volunteering, I'm speaking like on the outside, I get it away from the.

I'm just talking about the like morality of the whole thing, And like, you know, is this forced labor, forced you know, putting someone in harm's way, or is there a choice you know of being you know, willing to participate in something like this, knowing the stakes and knowing that you're not getting paid much. Again, I'm not trying to be like, you know, a booster for the government or like prison system. The whole system is totally ft. But I'm just trying to.

I'm just talking about the like morality of the whole thing, And like, you know, is this forced labor, forced you know, putting someone in harm's way, or is there a choice you know of being you know, willing to participate in something like this, knowing the stakes and knowing that you're not getting paid much. Again, I'm not trying to be like, you know, a booster for the government or like prison system. The whole system is totally ft. But I'm just trying to.

Understand you're speaking to the psychological gymnastics that are exactly an entire situation, right, Thank you, Matt, because you can you can say as the prison system itself, right, you could say, hey, this is an opportunity for you to get outside and do something good. And really, with your other hand, you're just you know, you're offering them, yeah, offering them a pittance taking the rest that they're getting in whatever grant they're getting from the state.

Understand you're speaking to the psychological gymnastics that are exactly an entire situation, right, Thank you, Matt, because you can you can say as the prison system itself, right, you could say, hey, this is an opportunity for you to get outside and do something good. And really, with your other hand, you're just you know, you're offering them, yeah, offering them a pittance taking the rest that they're getting in whatever grant they're getting from the state.

That's exactly right, which is very odd, but it doesn't make the quote unquote opportunity for the individual any more or less valid. Like exactly I am someone maybe in the outside, I was a firefighter, I was a volunteer firefighter, and this is something that I truly maybe even you know, at the point I'm at in my rehabilitation, like, I feel passionately about this and I do want to help people, and I'm able to do that, you know, with this much more than I am sitting here lifting weights and you know, reading books in my cell.

That's exactly right, which is very odd, but it doesn't make the quote unquote opportunity for the individual any more or less valid. Like exactly I am someone maybe in the outside, I was a firefighter, I was a volunteer firefighter, and this is something that I truly maybe even you know, at the point I'm at in my rehabilitation, like, I feel passionately about this and I do want to help people, and I'm able to do that, you know, with this much more than I am sitting here lifting weights and you know, reading books in my cell.

So what is the reasoning, the concrete reasoning behind not allowing someone who is a part of one of these programs to get out and then continue doing that.

So what is the reasoning, the concrete reasoning behind not allowing someone who is a part of one of these programs to get out and then continue doing that.

Good? What right? I think the callers point about just the reform of the payment system is important, just to make it maybe a little more, you know, they should be compensated more, because I didn't really ever think about that. But it's true, like money more or less spends the same in prison, the commissary and also probably black market stuff as it does on the outside. If anything on the black market stuff is probably way more expensive for sure.

Good? What right? I think the callers point about just the reform of the payment system is important, just to make it maybe a little more, you know, they should be compensated more, because I didn't really ever think about that. But it's true, like money more or less spends the same in prison, the commissary and also probably black market stuff as it does on the outside. If anything on the black market stuff is probably way more expensive for sure.

And this is a tough thing for me, and I don't want to ruffle too many feathers here, but in my mind, if you are incarcerated and you're doing work. Maybe I'm wrong. I don't think you should be compensating in the same way, but not like to those levels, those low levels, Right, there's something in between there that makes sense. The biggest thing that makes sense to me is if you use the skills that you're learning and whatever job you're performing on the outside. But in this case, this specific case, at least according to Melo, and I've been looking at these specific rules in Idaho and trying to find out, like, what's the concrete thing if you are incarcerated and you're a felon and you're in this you know, firefighter's system and you get out, can you actually be employed anywhere? Or is that just something that just can't happen or is it a specific thing for her father?

And this is a tough thing for me, and I don't want to ruffle too many feathers here, but in my mind, if you are incarcerated and you're doing work. Maybe I'm wrong. I don't think you should be compensating in the same way, but not like to those levels, those low levels, Right, there's something in between there that makes sense. The biggest thing that makes sense to me is if you use the skills that you're learning and whatever job you're performing on the outside. But in this case, this specific case, at least according to Melo, and I've been looking at these specific rules in Idaho and trying to find out, like, what's the concrete thing if you are incarcerated and you're a felon and you're in this you know, firefighter's system and you get out, can you actually be employed anywhere? Or is that just something that just can't happen or is it a specific thing for her father?

Right?

Right?

And I haven't been able to find it yet.

And I haven't been able to find it yet.

I'm sorry, I don't think i've follow employed like after you being released, Like, is this in some way like a benefit to your ability to be employed after you know your sentence is done.

I'm sorry, I don't think i've follow employed like after you being released, Like, is this in some way like a benefit to your ability to be employed after you know your sentence is done.

Well, that's one of the big points that Melo makes there is that her father, once he leaves, is unable to be employed as a firefighter in the state where he was imprisoned and working as a firefighter while in prison, so he cannot be a firefighter fighter on the outside according to whatever rules are set up, right with hiring somebody that is a huge misstep.

Well, that's one of the big points that Melo makes there is that her father, once he leaves, is unable to be employed as a firefighter in the state where he was imprisoned and working as a firefighter while in prison, so he cannot be a firefighter fighter on the outside according to whatever rules are set up, right with hiring somebody that is a huge misstep.

I think I see what you're saying. It's yourule that should be reconsidered because you've proven yourself in the field, and this is a field that is in pretty most of the time desperate need of additional folks. So why would you cut off that ready made supply of people for some sort of bias based on hiring former convicts.

I think I see what you're saying. It's yourule that should be reconsidered because you've proven yourself in the field, and this is a field that is in pretty most of the time desperate need of additional folks. So why would you cut off that ready made supply of people for some sort of bias based on hiring former convicts.

Yeah, and then while incarcerated, rather than getting compensated for that kind of work, you are building up training. Yeah, you're building yourself up. You're right, your self esteem, whatever it is you need to see that you were better than some of the stuff they got you in there, and now you can do good. That's a little too.

Yeah, and then while incarcerated, rather than getting compensated for that kind of work, you are building up training. Yeah, you're building yourself up. You're right, your self esteem, whatever it is you need to see that you were better than some of the stuff they got you in there, and now you can do good. That's a little too.

I'm with you. And this is the kind of stuff that someone out there is going to be like, oh, you guys are so pie in the sky about this, YadA YadA, YadA. But I do think these kinds of things are worth discussing because it's like, you know, the prison system sucks. We know about wrongful convictions and all of that, but are there ways at the very least to reintegrate people after they've served their sentences so they're not just like persona non grata society and actually benefit society, you know, And this is what you're suggesting, I think is a pretty decent solution to that. And I'm certain that this is one of the first people to have thought about. But no, it does seem like it's a societal thing, like why do we still harbor this like long term grudge against you know, former convicts and felons.

I'm with you. And this is the kind of stuff that someone out there is going to be like, oh, you guys are so pie in the sky about this, YadA YadA, YadA. But I do think these kinds of things are worth discussing because it's like, you know, the prison system sucks. We know about wrongful convictions and all of that, but are there ways at the very least to reintegrate people after they've served their sentences so they're not just like persona non grata society and actually benefit society, you know, And this is what you're suggesting, I think is a pretty decent solution to that. And I'm certain that this is one of the first people to have thought about. But no, it does seem like it's a societal thing, like why do we still harbor this like long term grudge against you know, former convicts and felons.

Exactly, So in that light, right, let's jump to a first persons perspective and hear from Jason and salt Lake, who knows exactly what it's like.

Exactly, So in that light, right, let's jump to a first persons perspective and hear from Jason and salt Lake, who knows exactly what it's like.

Hey, it's a Jason salt Lake City, huge fans almost you guys for a while.

Hey, it's a Jason salt Lake City, huge fans almost you guys for a while.

Uh, you guys been talking about the wildfires the other day and the inmate firefighters. I just wanted to give a little personal experience. Uh, I made some poor decisions. I was incarcerated in Washington State for five years, and for four of those years I got to be on me the D and R crew fighting those source fires. And uh, I know people say, it's slave labor, you know, indentured servitude. But you got to realize that Number one, a normal job in prison. I was working in the kitchen. I was making thirty two cents an hour. They put me on a fire crew and I was making a dollar sixteen hour. Not only that, they feed you, just like they feed the rest of the firefighters out there. You know, you eat pops here food. Everybody is cool to you. And and for me and everybody else that was out there, it was it was.

Uh, you guys been talking about the wildfires the other day and the inmate firefighters. I just wanted to give a little personal experience. Uh, I made some poor decisions. I was incarcerated in Washington State for five years, and for four of those years I got to be on me the D and R crew fighting those source fires. And uh, I know people say, it's slave labor, you know, indentured servitude. But you got to realize that Number one, a normal job in prison. I was working in the kitchen. I was making thirty two cents an hour. They put me on a fire crew and I was making a dollar sixteen hour. Not only that, they feed you, just like they feed the rest of the firefighters out there. You know, you eat pops here food. Everybody is cool to you. And and for me and everybody else that was out there, it was it was.

Something we wanted to do. You know, you have to sign up for it, you have to get approved. It was. It was something we all volunteered for. We wanted to be at you know. And on top of that, you know, a lot of it was made mistakes. We're in there, and that kind of gets on your that kind of starts wearing on your on your self esteem.

Something we wanted to do. You know, you have to sign up for it, you have to get approved. It was. It was something we all volunteered for. We wanted to be at you know. And on top of that, you know, a lot of it was made mistakes. We're in there, and that kind of gets on your that kind of starts wearing on your on your self esteem.

You know, you did some bad things, and start thinking that respects to who you are and getting out there and doing something like that.

You know, you did some bad things, and start thinking that respects to who you are and getting out there and doing something like that.

Not only was it amazing to be out in nature.

Not only was it amazing to be out in nature.

You know, outside the prison walls, but the self esteem and the sense of accomplishment and pride it gave me and and every really else around me was was priceless. You know, we at the end of the day that was of what we did. You know, it was an honor to be out with the firefighters may treat you like one of them, you know, it's not like a bunch of inmates out they getting looked down on.

You know, outside the prison walls, but the self esteem and the sense of accomplishment and pride it gave me and and every really else around me was was priceless. You know, we at the end of the day that was of what we did. You know, it was an honor to be out with the firefighters may treat you like one of them, you know, it's not like a bunch of inmates out they getting looked down on.

They appreciate the help and they treat us accordingly. So I just wanted you guys will piece of personal experience.

They appreciate the help and they treat us accordingly. So I just wanted you guys will piece of personal experience.

I'm all for it. Obviously, I have a different help look on things. I understand where other people are coming from. But again that's just my experience. You can go ahead and do my name I recording whatever you want, man, I appreciate you guys.

I'm all for it. Obviously, I have a different help look on things. I understand where other people are coming from. But again that's just my experience. You can go ahead and do my name I recording whatever you want, man, I appreciate you guys.

Wow, I'm on that verge of tearing up a little bit. I mean, I don't want to be too like hard on sleeve about it, but I just the passion that I heard in his voice, and just you know, I think the point we brought up about like a way of paying it forward or like you know, in some way not redemption is such a movie term, but you know what I mean, I just I heard that in his voice and in his story.

Wow, I'm on that verge of tearing up a little bit. I mean, I don't want to be too like hard on sleeve about it, but I just the passion that I heard in his voice, and just you know, I think the point we brought up about like a way of paying it forward or like you know, in some way not redemption is such a movie term, but you know what I mean, I just I heard that in his voice and in his story.

Yeah for sure, for sure, And that's huge too, being able to hear it in the voice when somebody by the way.