From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A production of My Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my name is Noel. They called me Ben. We are joined as always with our super producer Alexis code named Doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you are you. You are here, and that makes this the stuff they don't want you to know. It is Thursday if you're hearing this on the day it comes out, which means, fellow conspiracy realists, it is time for our weekly listener mail. Matt, Noel and I have scoured correspondencies of varying sources right uh, some some sinister stuff, some funny stuff, some mysteries, some global events, some micro cosmic events, and as always, want to thank everybody who took the time to reach out either at our phone number one three std w y t K at our email address conspiracy dieheart radio dot com, or you know saying uh saying the name three times into a dark mirror. UH, sorry if I spooked to UH with Today Today we have UM, we have some really fascinating stuff. We ran into something the spoiler alert that I was not aware of over in Argentina um, and we'll get to that eventually, but maybe we start a little bit closer to home today. Uh No, we received a fascinating email about a murder mystery he did, and I know he says all the time, and I think we typically follow through with this one I do believe is full episode territory. UM. So I'm not going to go into all of them on New just kind of set up the story because it is one that I was not aware of, and it also involves something that I think we all are excited about. Is like old Hollywood kind of noir type historical murder mysteries. Um. This takes all those boxes and it is a really really interesting story. Hey, everybody, quick addendum here or predendum. I guess I'm After doing this segment, we reference a source that is Vanity Fair. Um that tells the amazing story that we're about to share with you about Doris Duke. What I failed to do in the segment was mentioned the name of the writer, the incredible Peter Lance. You can also check out his book Homicide at Rough Point, which is available now anywhere you get books from Amazon, etcetera. And find out more about this story. You can also find out more about Peter's work at Peter Lance dot com. We did, in fact decide after talking with Peter Um, that we are going to do a full deep dive, possibly two part episode about this subject. So in the meantime, here's a little snapshot of the story or of Doris Duke, the socialite who got away with murder. The subject line of the email that came from a concerned citizen is Doris Duke got away with murder. Whose Doris Duke you ask? Not Patti Duke, no mind you. This is Doris Duke, who was the heir to a tobacco fortune. She was a multi billionaire one point three billion, and I guess that's not multi. She had a single billion plus three mill when she died at the age of eighty and nineteen nine three and is largely remembered for her philanthropic works. Um. She had an estate uh in Newport, Rhode Island that was called rough Manner. Doesn't that sound like it's something that's almost like a joke, like Faulty Towers, or like what was the name of the the estate where you know from Great Gardens, right, great gardens, rough manner. I love it. It's kind of the screams old Hollywood and uh in the fairy as activities to me. So let me tell it back really quickly, sort of set up my my initial excitement and surprise about the story. Um, but let's read a bit of the email from a concerned citizen. UM. Hello stt w I T gay Staddwick. Uh. The t is silent. They don't want you to know that the wealthiest woman in the world may have gotten away with murder in nineteen sixty six. I'm a former resident of Newport, Rhode Island. And while this summer playground for the ultra wealthy has more than its share of sordid stories, none are more prevalent than the rumor of Eduardo Terrella's murder by Doris Duke. The story goes that Eduardo Terrella was a longtime friend and art curator for Doris Duke. He's also like an interior designer for several of her estates. Um, but he decided to end that relationship and moved to Hollywood to become a star. Uh. Duke, who was known for her violent temper Um and an escaped criminal charges for stabbing her common law husband a few years prior, lured Terrella to her summer mansion um known as Rough Point, under the guys of needing his expertise to determine the authenticity and value of a statue. Terrella and Duke went to purchase this artwork, but when Edwardo got out to open the large iron gate, Doris slid over to the driver's seat and the car lurched forward and killed him, pinning him against the gates. Me me talking um and they found him essentially like broken and completely dead, wrapped up in the axle the rear axle of the car. Um Back to the letter. She claimed it was accidental and no criminal charges were ever brought against her. There were always rumors that it was intentional homicide, but the police were either bribed or intimidated by the prospect of going against someone whose wealth was second only to John D. Rockefeller at the time. Um me against She came from tobacco money, which, as we know, was big, big, big business back in those days when it was just like, you know, the coolest thing you could do was to smoke, and all the TV shows were sponsored by cigarettes, and they weren't nearly the same kind of you know, attention and awareness around you know, how bad cigarettes were for you. So it was just kind of like you had to ask people it was okay not to smoke. It was it was absolutely a norm, you know, no question about um. Back to the letter. She poured a lot of money into Newport after Terrella's death, and her philanthropy has ensured her legacy and name still play a major role in the culture and economy of the city by the Sea. However, just this year, a new witness came forward and the police open investigation. Robert Walker was a thirteen year old paper boy who witnessed the incident, but he did not come forward at the time because his father feared he wouldn't live to testify if he had. Thank you for taking the time to read this. I've been a listener for a certain amount of time and would love I love that it's very vague but very cool a certain amount of time. It's like a man of a certain age or something. And would love to hear what std W I t K thinks about EDWARDO. Terrella's untimely death in Newport, Rhode Island, Sincerely, a concerned citizen, um and uh this concern citizen linked to several really really great sources, including a Vanity Fair article from just July of last year, uh called homicide at rough point. And Matt, you had some little takeaway from just the image that is at the header of this article showing uh Madam Duke Doris Duke and I I immediately said she looks like a movie star, and you said she looks like a little south I mean, who knows how she was feeling when this this photograph was taken, But she's definitely looking away and kind of down, and she doesn't have you know, the look on her face is just kind of blank. It's yeah, well they chose that. I do agree that that's the kind of look that a house cat gives you when you realize if this thing was besides what, it would kill me. Right, that's it's it's it's something. Her lips and her mouth is set with the kind of edges sort of turned down and the sort of partial frown, and you're right, mad. The way she's looking away, kind of down and away is very aloof and kind of the demuror. But more than that, there's only there's sort of like an emptiness kind of in her eyes. And whether or not she did this thing, it was very clear that she was a difficult person. I mean again she you know it was and it was known that she stabbed her common law husband and you know, got away with that. Um. But here's the thing that's most interesting her a relative of hers has actually said some really interesting things. UM. In interviewing you know folks and sources for this piece, Uh, the author, the writer encountered this quote from uh, Donna lemy lomyer Um, who is Terrella's niece, and she said that it wasn't just a cover up, but it was something even worse. And this quote is very chilling. She killed him twice, she destroyed his body, then eviscerated his memory. UM. And the reason that that she's giving that pretty pretty hot take, uh, is that in all of the writings about this this woman, Doris Duke Um, in her obituary, she's referred to and in referenced, you know, for her philanthropy uh and as being this heiress to this tobacco fortune. Uh. This incident is never given more than like a line or two. UM. And even there there's a there's a mention in this article about a biography of hers um where the author essentially writes about her in these very glowing, reverent terms. I learned a new word actually reading this article. Um. The author of the book The Silver Swan in Search of Doris Duke was a woman named Sally Bingham, and the author of the Vanity Fair piece refers to her reverence in the way she kind of writes about her in these glowing terms as bordering on hay geography, which is a word that I have not heard before, and I'm happy to know what it means. It actually refers to writing about the saints or like religious figures. You know, you're speaking of people in these like deified terms. Um. So there's more than a little bit of bias in some of this writing about her. And again, Um, a lot of that philanthropy, or at least a big burst of it, came immediately following this incident. Um. She gave something equivalent to two thousand dollars in today's um dollars to restore historic cliff walk, which is like a public kind of promenade, like they're behind some of these mansions, these rows of mansions on the Newport shoreline. UM. She gave around ten thousand bucks to Newport Hospital, which is actually where she kind of hold up after this incident, I guess, to get checked out, but maybe presumably also not to be bother by the press. Um. And then she also set up a Newport Restoration Foundation, which renovated eighty four colonial era mansions and buildings across the city. UM. And she had more than a bit of a cozy relationship with some of the officials to who questioned her. And there was even a situation where the chief of police, a guy named Rattis um Are a d i c e. When he retired, rather than the job going to the next in command who should have gotten the job, it actually leap frogged him and went to a third person who was the one who interviewed her the night of the event. UM. So there's just you know, a lot of kind of sketchy UM, potential palm greasing is kind of going on here, at least opportunities for it. UM. I don't want to go much further than this because this the article is dense, and there's obviously a lot of speculation around this and a lot of people coming forward, uh to talk about this. So I propose that we would do an episode on I think it's a really fascinating story. Yeah. According to this Vanity Fair article, she was making one million dollars a week in interest in interest alone, right. I would also recommend, Uh, agreed, guys, And I would also recommend for everybody listening now, if you want a bit of an amuse bush, a bit of an appetizer to the entree of Doris duke murder episode, do check out our earlier episode. Does being wealthy make you a bad person? The answer? The answer is chilling and the more, um, you know, I personally hate judging people by appearance, although I do think it's fun to, you know, roast a photograph every now and then. Everybody's got bad photos. That's just that's the reality. Um. But if you were to describe her appearance in that Vanity Fair article we've been mentioning, it does very much look like the dispassionate gaze of a very wealthy person. She was tight with Emelda Marcos, got her out of some racketeering charges. Uh, it's first lady in the Philippines. Um, this this goes deep, and I think this is also an opportunity to talk about other, um, other homicides committed by the wealthy that are open secrets, such as the chap Aquittic incident, which is the only reason that Kennedy didn't end up being president. And that's actually something that's uh sort of satirized in the first season of Succession. If anyone's not wanting that show wants to have a kind of a fly on the wall perspective in the rooms where these kinds of high level you know, people are hanging around making deals. That show I think does it better than just about any of that I've ever seen. Um, Ben you mentioned her relationship with Melda Marcos. She was also really tight with Michael Jackson. Um, you know, once you get to a certain level of wealth, you kind of like those are the only real friends you can have. It's like sort of the rules, right, Um, everyone doesn't doesn't go by that, but like it certainly feels like that ends up being the case. She also had a long line of you know, gentlemen callers. Let's just say she apparently had a very high sex drive and was not ashamed of of of it at all and was very open about her multiple relationships and you know lovers and all that one of whom was General George Patton. So she was rubbing more than elbows with some pretty uh, pretty powerful folks. And you know, again, we do want to treat this kind of as like in a moose bousche like you said, been for will ultimately be a pretty um filling meal. But we do know that she fought quite viciously um in court uh to keep from having to pay any kind of damages to the family of this uh, this gentleman that that she killed Eddie uh Eduardo Eddie Terrella. Um. He made you know, in the last year of his life something in the neighborhood of fifty thousand dollars would have been roughly three hundred thousand dollars you know in today's money, um, And you could easily be argued that he would have made money, you know, along those lines for many many years to come, if not more, because he was heading towards a really potentially lucrative career in Hollywood, like he had already. Um, I think he had uh consulted on a Hollywood a big Hollywood film had just come back from that and that was why he was going to tell her that he, you know, he wasn't gonna be working for her anymore because he had this you know, new life that he was going to pursue. Um. So the family I think pursued a pretty modest some you know in in these damages. Um. But she did everything in her power to make sure that they got nothing um, which in and of itself is a sign of kind of a coldness, you know. But I say we leave it there for now, then look forward to really digging into this this topic, because the story's got a lot of twists and turns and goes to some very interesting place, especially in the light of new revelations. So let's take a quick break and then come back with some more. Listener, ma'l you know right, we're back and moving from rough point or rough manner or whatever it was called, and we are heading to a message from Will that you're about to hear in your years. Hey guys, my name's Will. Um. I kind of a story about my great Uh. He was three star general in the Air Force named Probert Fond. He crashed an enemy meg trying out of green Leg back in the early eighties and died and due to that. They very nearly had to had to make light of several different government programs. Sorry, I kind of went blank, um, but yeah, he crashed and crashed landed this may that we weren't supposed to have a Groom leg government trying to cover it up. Being a three star general is a little harder than normal. But anyway, there's plenty to read about it. I can send you some links or something if you're interested, but something might be a rabbit hole you want to go down. Um, feel free to use my voice if you like, and you can contact me, you know whatever. Thanks a lot. Here we go. Now that's how you leave a voicemail. Yes, here I am. Here's what I'm going to tell you, contact me, goodbye. Um. And in this case, it's someone telling us just an intense story about their relative, their great uncle, a three star general in the Air Force, that crashed a MiG and lost his life and it out of Groom Lake. Of all the places. For anyone who doesn't just know that term off the top of your head, that is Area fifty one and the various areas out there in the Nevada Test Site, as it is so lovingly known. Yeah, it's kind of like ah to you know what I mean, where's area fifty nine? Yes, before we well, we'll get to it. Just remind me to talk about area before we leave this. So, I I mean, first of all, thank you for telling us that story. My goodness if you could not hear through the phone recording, because sometimes the quality isn't that amazing just because of the system itself. It is Lieutenant General Robert M. Bond, that is the person whom Will is referring to his great uncle again, Lieutenant General Robert M. Bond. You can search about him if you wish, on the Air Forces website a F dot m I L. You can read all about him in his past, you know. Before we get into what happened to him, I just want to talk about some of the aircraft ben that I'm assuming you you know over the years on car stuff, all things that float, fly or drive no fly, swimmer drive yeah, fly drive anyway. In my head, I don't know if I got it fully correct, but I knew the essence of it. Um just some of the aircraft that he flew over his very long career. The Fight six Saber, which is also known as the Saber Jet, is a very interesting piece of machinery that was flown. I believe, oh gosh, fairly early. I think it started maybe like just right at the end of the World War two's, you know all of them World War two's, um, it's like a street fighter Vibe three, Yeah, yeah, exactly, so a cool plane, the F one oh five thunder Chief, which is just a awesome looking plane, the fighter bomber in the nineteen fifties, there's the Phantom two or the F four, which is, god man, just such just you can look all of these up if you want to. I'm just right now literally looking at their Wikipedia pages because you can get through their through wiki commons. Some of the photography that was released by the Air Force over the years really cool to look at them. I remember as a kid having posters of these kinds of fighter jets in my room just because I thought they were so awesome. The one that he was supposedly flying on the day that he crashed and died, the MiG twenty three, which is similar but not the same as the MiG twenty one, which was a very famous Soviet Union fighter jet that you've seen and probably make many I'm sure fictional stories about that time. So well, let's talk about what happened, why this was a big deal. Groom Lake Area fifty one is still not an official thing for much of the world. It's a rumor. Area fifty one somewhere out there in the Nevada Desert. The government's doing weird stuff out there with stuff that flies around. I'm not sure what it is. Is it. Are they testing aircraft, Are they you know, taking apart stuff that crash landed and roswell, or maybe they're building new stuff from that roswell crash. All kinds of rumors swirling about this place, Area fifty one, which continue today obviously, but back then we're talking in nineteen eighties. In this case, Area fifty one is very much a legendary place, and Groom Lake Area twenty five, all of those in the Nevada test site. So a person with such a distinguished career within the Air Force to be flying, essentially test flying a MiG Soviet fighter jet in the nineteen eighties. Remember it war is still going on, So the United States having access to Soviet Union weaponry is you know, maybe not a super secret thing, but it's at least something that you don't want to openly talk about. If you're doing any kind of combat missions, test combat missions with your enemies aircraft, that's probably something you want to keep, you know, quiet about. So according to the story, which you can find in several places, I found it in Time magazine. It's an article titled Mystery Flight over Nevada. It was published May fourteenth. You can actually find that on content dot Time dot com and shout out to Fred Hoffman, the journalist who originally discovered the information, which, make no mistake, Uncle Sam was ardently fighting to keep this all secret. I feel a little Scooby Doo saying they almost got away with it too. Look, I hadn't have been for those crazy MiGs right right there we go. I mean it's also, you know, um, in their defense, it makes absolute sense to keep that as close to top secret as possible. And I think they didn't even they they wouldn't even deny it, right. It was one of those I can neither confirm nor deny kind of situations. Until the article that you just mentioned hit the press exactly. You can read it as a very short read if you want to look into it. But the official story when Time went to press with This was that he was flying out of Nevada's Nellis Air Force Range, and you know, while doing this test flight from there, he did have another aircraft flying behind him to kind of watch over him, but he was flying a much faster vehicle, and yeah, it went out of control, and unfortunately, he was unable to stabilize an aircraft the aircraft once it went out of control, at least according to the story that you can read now, and he attempted to eject, and when he did so, he was going very very fast. The estimates were around mocked two uh when he actually attempted to eject, or maybe perhaps a little bit slower than that. But his parachute just got torn to shreds and he suffered injuries as he attempted to eject, and he did not make it um. The aircraft, it said, flew down at a sixty degree angle into the desert. But just to jump back to that article at the time when it was published, I'm going to read you a quote from it. Quote. Then came an even more intriguing, though also unconfirmed report Bond was actually flying a Soviet built MiG twenty three Flogger, the primary fighter craft of the Soviet Air Force with a maximum speed of some seventeen hundred miles per hour. That possibility drew attention to a little known aspect of American military training. The US has managed to assemble a mini squadron of between four and fifteen of these floggers, that's the big fighter jets, as well as at least a dozen of the more easily obtainable Big twenty ones. And it's a really interesting thing where it gets into arms deals where the United States purchased these these craft from Egypt because Egypt they were good friends with the Soviet Union. There was a lot of arms trading going on between those two parties. And then the United States came in and said, hey, let's we'd love to buy some of those Soviet aircraft off of you so we can use them for training. They probably didn't say that in the room when they made the deal, but but that's what happened, and it this whole story just makes me imagine what the United States, what China, what Russia are all doing in their secret or as secret as they can be, bases across the world right now, training with other aircraft other you know, maybe naval vessels or prototypes of such things UM or even you know, we talked about a little bit before, I believe when we mentioned the strange stuff going on at a test site in China where where they had built like a mobile version of an aircraft carrier that they could fire stuff at. Do you remember this, yes, yeah, absolutely, And that's a that's a normal thing to do. It's it's a very smart thing to do, honestly, because you'll be able to get experiential training, you'll have the um firsthand knowledge of how things can play out. It's the reason why military is conduct war games constantly, because all the technology that you might possess or that you could buy or manufacture isn't gonna be worth as much if you don't know what the other side has. So they're definitely testing the make weaknesses. They already knew about some of the stability issues. UM. But right now it's safe to assume that multiple militaries are doing their best to get the hardware from other militaries, other foreign powers. That's why when the Osama bin laden raid occurred, there was such to do about the stealth helicopter. If you guys remember that that was one of the big I was one of the big losses was that copter crashing, And that copter, by the way, did not officially exist until it crashed, right, Yeah, and there was a whole mission to like figure out what to do afterwards. Oh crap. Uh, well, you guys. It's making me think more and more about the used arms trade or the market, right, and we've we've talked about that a little bit before, how much of the military equipment ended up going to sheriff's offices and local police departments. When you're talking about m wraps and some of those some of the other weapons or even small arms, it may makes me wonder about the bigger stuff that I don't think we've ever covered on our show before, like what that actual market looks like right now, and strategically selling your enemies and others who may oppose you at some point your old stuff while you're developing and building the new stuff. I don't know. That to me is really interesting. Yeah, from a K forty seven's to retrofitted carriers or destroyers. In the world of maritime warfare, Uh, it is a huge and silent industry and a lot of countries have deep tension about who gets to sell what to whom you know, um, and and not for nothing. I mean it's not a secret. Uh. They don't talk about it too often in your mainstream news outlets, but the US makes a ton of cash selling weapons to other countries, and those countries do things that do not align with US values as stated to voters. That is like the most diplomatic way to put it. And I also want to point out here at what the general was doing at the time of his unfortunate accident was a necessary thing. You had to test the craft, you know, and this guy had so much experience by that point that he was he was probably at the top of a very short list of people who both had the clearance to fly a plane that didn't exist and the know how to do it. But his age was called into question almost immediately fifty four four and often, at least from what I've been reading, you wouldn't send someone up of that age in an aircraft alone like that. You would have a co pilot for safety, just because of the physical needs to to fly that plane. However, he had just completed at least one major of his of his fitness, and he you know, he passed it. You know, also man, this brings up another question, a bigger conversation, I would say, which is the cover ups that occur when things go wrong during secret operations. You know this is I mean, this is a real thing and these are active conspiracies. Will first thank you so much for sharing the story with us. But secondly, you are far from alone, my friend. These are again active cover ups. They are by necessity most times. But we do live in a world where people can one day get that letter that just says you know, your spouse, your partner, your family member, your child has passed away, and in some cases there might be a fake or vague explanation, and in some other extreme cases there's no explanation because to explain what happened would compromise whatever they were doing, and that does occur. If you are hearing this and you have a story similar to Wills, we would like to hear from you, because I know they're more out there. I know there are many many more out there. When did this even go public? When did that Times article come out? Again? You said Times? The article came out very soon after, so I believe it was in April of eighty four, when General Bond actually passed and then this came out in May mid May. And if that article hadn't have come out, would the Bond family have learned the truth? I mean, journalists are doing serious work. Also, I can't believe it just occurred to me. Well, that is the coolest last name that guy could really he could like one up James Bond. He's like Bond, general Bond. Yeah, everybody called him Bobby too, So who's Bobby Bond? General? Body? Gand I like it rolls off the tongue, oh man, So thanks so much. Will definitely right. And if you've got a story where we the public have been fed, you know, an official story right in the news about something that occurred, but you know it was something else because you had a family member maybe involved or privy to something. Gosh, I want to hear that, but only tell us if you're okay with us sharing it, because we'll get we'll get too excited. I'll get too excited. Let's it for now, will We'll be right back with another message from not you, will you the other the other person specifically, And we have returned to follow up on the cliffhanger we left you with at the break. You heard us say you specifically you, and you may have thought, is it me specifically me? Well, yes it is if your name is Carol. I don't know if we do it a product you there, but this is an awesome letter. I'm just going to share the information as is. This is something that I had not heard about. Have you heard about this before? I don't even know what we're gonna talk about yet, so I'm gonna learn what everybody else. We're gonna jump right in and talk about. Okay, peep by the curtain. Folks. Sometimes when we because we live in this world and we we go so deep into things, sometimes one of us will learn about something and have that holy moment and then right to the other guys on our group thread or however we're talking to each other, and then the other two will be like, oh, yeah, no, that's that's definitely a thing. Like no spoilers, but Thunderbirds, I'm really excited about that they did well. But this one and this is another occurrence just to give more of that curtain stuff. Uh, when some of the emails come through, some of the messages come through, uh, just by in having to go through a bunch of them, you'll get or my mind will at least track maybe of the contents of each email that comes through. But that I got Buenos Aires and Amia. That's that's what I remember from this Ben, and I was like, Okay, I need to look something about that up later, but I hadn't done it yet. So I'm excited. So here we go, Here we go, Uh, Caro says dear Ben Doc Matt Noel, I just stumbled upon stuff they don't want you to know a few months ago, and it's become my new podcast. Love. So thank you guys for putting together such an enjoyable show. Hats off the code name Doc there by the way for classing up the place. Yes, Matt cheers. You can't see as folks, but we're cheersing. We're cheersing, Doc. I for some reason have a Hello Kiddie class today, not sponsor. So uh So here's what Carol says. I would love to hear you alls take on the am I A bombing in Buenos Aires, Argentine. Uh. It was a suicide bombing on the Argentine Israelite Mutual Association building which killed eighty five people and injured over three hundred. Both the government of Arad and Hezbollah are accused of being involved, and there is a lot of just general shadiness and covering up associated with this event from both the Iranian and Argentinian governments. For example, former Argentinian president and current Vice President Christina Fernandez Dick Kirchner is accused of covering up Iran's part in the bombing, and one of the key witnesses, Alberto Nieman, who filed a three hundred page document detailing de Kircher's role in the event, turned up dead literally hours before he was supposed to testify against her government officials. I know government officials ruled it as a suicide. Yeah, sure, says Carol. Also, two of the suspects and the planning of the bombing, Mulson raz and Ahmed Vahidi, are now top ranking officials in the new Iranian government under Ibrahim Rossi. Then there is alleged involvement from Israel as well, rumors that their secret service MASSAD hunted down and assassinated most of the perpetrators of the attack. Anyway, I could go on and on, because there is a lot more to this and reading about it has been a wild ride. But I'd love to hear what you all have to say about it. If this interest you as much as it has me, hope everyone's having a superb day. Cheers Carol oh Man. This is uh, this is blowing my mind. This is revelatory to me. I I was not aware of this, but from just this letter Matt, and just the cursory stuff I was looking into. Uh, this is taking all the boxes for stuff they don't want you to know. I mean, Iran is known for proxy warfare. I mean so is the US, obviously, but uh, Argentina itself has such an interesting, deep and at times conflicting history, right so initi Ali this reminded me of other large cover ups, especially with the the idea of witnesses being assassinated. Like think of the journalist who was looking into corruption and Malta. I think of the various people who died in the failed prosecution of the Detro affair in Belgium. This is nuts, this is wild. Let's let's get into it. Let's talk just a little bit about it, because this is going to come back as a full episode. I think I think we have to do it. Yeah, please, I'm sorry, I'm getting distracted by looking at some of the imagery to come out of this event, as well as checking out the Times of Israel dot com article that you posted. Been sorry, I got a little lost in there just because I don't know. I don't know a lot about this. Yeah, yeah, it makes you want to dive in pretty deeply. Well yes, so think about it this way. And there's an excellent New Yorker article called Death of a Prosecutor, which is about Alberto Nieman's demise. By the way, but I ran out of articles, so anyway, Yeah, the paywall by Dexter Filkins. So here's a way for us to bring this hole. If you live in the US, imagine that the one of the most famous courtroom prosecutors ever straight up said the president did nine eleven right, like the like the president of the US was in charge of this attack, um or was in charge of covering it up. That's what happened with Dave Kirchner and Niceman. He said that this politician had orchestrated, at the very least plan to cripple the investigation in this attack. And this was the bloodiest terrorist attack in the entire history of the country. So here's what happened. It was a suicide van bomb attack, and the am I A, the Association mutual Is Ralita Argentina is a big deal. Argentina is home to a large Jewish community two hundred and thirty thousand people, give or take. That is the largest in Latin America. It is in fact, the sixth largest in the world outside of the nation of Israel. And when people started investigating this, things almost immediately got very murky and very dirty. You know, multiple countries and multiple individuals were accused of being involved. Obviously this had to take some careful coordination and planning. This is not this is not something that happened because one guy woke up and caught a wild hair. Even Pope Francis signed a petition and for justice in the bombing case. The federal judge who was in charge of the case in August of two thousand five was impeached and removed due to suspicions that he was purposely mishandling the investigation. Somebody, yeah, somebody doesn't want the public of Argentina to know how this all happened or who was behind this bloody, horrific attack. The prosecutor Alberto Easeman, before he died he had claimed in two thousand six that Iran was targeting Argentina because Buenos Aires had decided to suspend a nuclear deal with Tehran they were gonna transfer nuclear technology. But people still, I don't know, people are in a hud on that story because was the contract itself between Iran and Argentina was never actually terminated. They were just negotiating from when the attack occurred. So Niceman is arguing that the president wanted to cover up Iran's role in the tragedy, role in the attack because they needed the deal with Iran to work out. And by the way, when we say he died, he was murdered. He didn't slip and fall. The guy was killed on purpose, premeditated. And if you look at the timeline, which we will do in our upcoming episode, um, it's pretty hard not to think that the murder was connected to his his prosecutorial career. Yeah, look, this is a dumb question, Ben, I'm sorry you probably already covered it. But is the official story that he was it was homicide, he was murdered, or is it still that he killed himself or was it just that he was found dead? With that, because I think there was a gun found by him. He was shot gun. There's a gun found with him or something. Yeah, you're right, And to be more objective, I guess we should save our conclusions for the full episode their Carol. But he was found dead in his house on January and there was a Bursa thunder twenty two handgun found beside him. And this was again just hours before he's going to the Congress of Argentina to talk about the paper he had published, which is like maybe a little south of three hundred pages two eight something. Anyway, according to the autopsy, once they found the body, he had actually died the previous day. That afternoon on January seventeenth, is when he expired. They also found an entry bullet wound to his right temple with no exit wound. His body was in the bathroom. There were no signs of forest entry or robbery. And here's one, I'm just gonna throw some plot twist at your man. Okay, So no side of forest entry. But a locksmith who was familiar with the guy's apartment said he found a hidden entrance to the apartment and then it was open when he came on the scene, right right, a secret crawl space was hanging. What of course he had a secret entrance. I need to get one of those. I know we need them. You know. At one of my old houses, I actually made one. It was so bootleg. I just you know, I have a lot of books, so I had like arranged shells to make the room look smaller than it was. It the cottage house. The cottage house, Yeah, yeah, God, that was a weird place. Man. We've lived in some weird places, folks. I used to live in a castle noticating built by a very short man by hand. It was, yes, just so, uh, we are adding some levity here, but this this is very much a serious case, and it's strange that there are so many questions that remain. One. Yes, Kniesman did he did own firearms. He had two guns that were registered. The gun that was found by him, this little caliber, was not his. It was definitely the murder weapon, but it belonged to his assistant, who apparently lent it to him. That's the story so far. One of the guns was transferred to someone else in two thousand nine. The other has yet to be found to this day. There's a test you can do to determine there are a couple of testing due to determine whether there's gunshot residue on someone's hands and kne sasman was clean, so it seems that unless the testing was off, it seems that he did not fire the gun himself. According to the investigators, there was no sign of like a physical attack or struggle, and one investigator even said there was nothing suggesting the presence of other people at the crime scene other than you know the fact that there was a secret entrance to the guy's apartment and it was wide open. DNA from a second person was found in a coffee cup on the kitchen sink, or they announced that it was found. So there are still so many questions about this, and this is classic stuff they don't want you to know. We're gonna dig into this, We're going to shake it, see what comes loose. We're gonna pull the strings, will bag up, the badgers, will go down the rabbit hole, all the idioms here. Uh. And while we're doing that, and we'll we'll talk a little bit more about this, just some of the things that immediately stood out to us. But while we're working on that up episode, we do want to give a shout out to a program on Netflix. Oh yes, uh, and I we have not watched this. I don't think I haven't watched this yet. But you can on Netflix find Niceman, the Prosecutor, the President and the Spy. You can find this right now, I believe Yep, it's playing in my ears. Well, I'm trying to talk to you, and it is distracted me. But it looks like it's a multi part series here. It's an entire art and the investigation continues. In March of a private investigation set up by Kniesman's family concluded that his death was not suicide. It was an act of homicide. Um. The report had gone pretty in depth and sobering stuff that it contained pictures of his body as well. Uh. The forensic investigators that were originally appointed by Argentina's Supreme Court did say that it was a sua side, and it's become one of those conclusions that the public just doesn't accept, similar ways to the JFK story here in the US, which is, as we found earlier, it is by far the most widely accepted conspiracy theory in this country. So with all this got to throw in some other stuff. He was allegedly in touch with the CIA, the FBI, making some unofficial calls with the US embassy. He was accused of money laundering. This this goes deep. We're seeing here, really, Kara is a it's not a lack of motive, and it's not a lack of suspects. It's quite the opposite. It's a wealth of possible motives. It's an abundance of possible suspects. Now it's sort of a needle in the haystack to figure out which one could have been responsible. And you know, when we when we finished looking into this in this upcoming episode, uh, it may be possible that we say he did commit suicide. I don't think we're going to find that, but that's that's what this show is about. That is what we do, and we are grateful to dive in with this. Give us a lead. We're dogs with a bone. What's another animal that has a thing we can say? I don't want to say dog with a bone anymore. Feel like that's been done in a previous platypus. We're a platypus with a papaya. No, Okay, they're not all gonna work, so so also send us your suggestions for idioms. That we could use in place of dog with a bone, a fancy chicken with fancy chicken. Flange flangey, I've seen fancy chickens. I did not know thing the conversation we go this fancy chickens. They are a fancy it's not an ironic name. They're super fancy are I just love the idea of the first person who ran into them was like, that is one classy bird right there. That's a fancy chicken. Oh my god. So give us your opinion on another fancy animals. What does a fancy chicken have with it? You know, the way that a dog has a bone. Oh my gosh. We're getting ourselves a deep water here, but we'll get to the surface, you know what I mean. We're not going to get chap aquittics, but we but we are doing this with your help. As we always say, we are so grateful for your time, fellow conspiracy realists. We always get the best leads from you and from your fellow listeners. So thanks to everyone who has written in, who has contacted us. On a personal note, thanks to everybody reached out to me regarding some recent events. Um I haven't responded to every body, but I will try to do so, and maybe we'll talk about it a little bit more towards the end of the year. 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