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Name is Noah.

Name is Noah.

They call me Ben. We're joined as always with our super producer Alexis code named Dot Holliday Jackson. Most importantly, you are here. That makes this the stuff they don't want you to know. We are so glad to hang out with you this evening. This is our weekly Listener Male segment. It's one of our favorite times of the week wherein we get to share stories with our fellow listeners. We are going to learn a little bit more about a situation in Canada that we talked about in the past. We're going to learn a little bit more about def Con, which I'm quite excited to visit or some version of me. We're going to talk about paracusia, some responses to the idea of hearing voices, some responses to the undersea cables and the vulnerabilities they pose for civilization and the Internet at large. We're going to start, I believe, with a story that we were grateful to receive. We recently did an episode on the concept of divine intervention. Whether or not you find yourself a person of spiritual beliefs, regardless of your own school of metaphysical thought, we know that it is true the concept of divine intervention has fundamentally shaped human history and quite likely continues to do so in the present and in the future day. So maybe we start there. Noel, what stood out to you about this one? I don't know.

They call me Ben. We're joined as always with our super producer Alexis code named Dot Holliday Jackson. Most importantly, you are here. That makes this the stuff they don't want you to know. We are so glad to hang out with you this evening. This is our weekly Listener Male segment. It's one of our favorite times of the week wherein we get to share stories with our fellow listeners. We are going to learn a little bit more about a situation in Canada that we talked about in the past. We're going to learn a little bit more about def Con, which I'm quite excited to visit or some version of me. We're going to talk about paracusia, some responses to the idea of hearing voices, some responses to the undersea cables and the vulnerabilities they pose for civilization and the Internet at large. We're going to start, I believe, with a story that we were grateful to receive. We recently did an episode on the concept of divine intervention. Whether or not you find yourself a person of spiritual beliefs, regardless of your own school of metaphysical thought, we know that it is true the concept of divine intervention has fundamentally shaped human history and quite likely continues to do so in the present and in the future day. So maybe we start there. Noel, what stood out to you about this one? I don't know.

Let's just let's let's read it and then we'll kind of see what stands out about it to all of us. I just always fascinated by people's real life encounters with the divine or something that they perceive to be the divine. And I think that's a big part of what that episode was, was the idea of stories and the idea of people filtering their experiences through their beliefs. And you know, results may there, But here we go. This comes to us from Leslie somewhere in Texas. I have been meditating since nineteen seventy two. I'm not religious and did not become religious during any altered states. Just a profound love and oneness with everything. So would that be a divine intervention. After these experiences, my outlook on life was much different. In nineteen seventy five, a book titled Life After Life, written by a psychiatrist, doctor Raymond Moody, came out. It was one of the first books about near death experiences. When I read the accounts of these patients he interviewed documented cases of clinical death and recovery, I realized I had the same experience as these patients, but I just didn't die. Some of you guys that feel that those who make statements like this must have psychological problems must have never had anything like this happen to you. I studied personality disorders and drug abuse. I did an internship at the state hospital and a treatment center. I eventually was in charge doing psychological testing on all the patients. In my training and work, I had to do the same testing on myself, so no, I don't have a personality disorder. It was always encouraged to test yourself. I worked with psychologists throughout my time there. Because of all the testing on patients. I have talked to one female who told me about having extraordinary experiences and unfortunately she told her family. The family told her it was Satan, so she had been terrified of her experiences. How sad religion strikes again. I would say that my quote, divine interventions were when my friends and I would drive a vehicle well intoxicated and not kill someone else or ourselves. Our asses were saved, Leslie somewhere in Texas. The thing that stood out to me personally about this is the interpretation of what divine intervention can meet, or messages from the divine can meet, as we found in a lot of cases of you know, prominent figures that expressed this and went in opposition to maybe the governing you know, kind of status quo, which usually was the church. They would be ostracized as being having demonic visions or demonic possession, like Joan of Art for example. So this idea of filtering experiences through that lens can go both ways. You could divine intervention is God stepping in and doing you a solid or in the case of this example that Leslie gave, someone might say you are being visited upon by you know, the damned, you know, the the lord of all evil, Satan himself. So I mean, I know it's not a particularly long email, but I did think it would give us an opportunity to kind of chat a little bit about, you know, what some of these experiences might mean kind of in the modern day.

Let's just let's let's read it and then we'll kind of see what stands out about it to all of us. I just always fascinated by people's real life encounters with the divine or something that they perceive to be the divine. And I think that's a big part of what that episode was, was the idea of stories and the idea of people filtering their experiences through their beliefs. And you know, results may there, But here we go. This comes to us from Leslie somewhere in Texas. I have been meditating since nineteen seventy two. I'm not religious and did not become religious during any altered states. Just a profound love and oneness with everything. So would that be a divine intervention. After these experiences, my outlook on life was much different. In nineteen seventy five, a book titled Life After Life, written by a psychiatrist, doctor Raymond Moody, came out. It was one of the first books about near death experiences. When I read the accounts of these patients he interviewed documented cases of clinical death and recovery, I realized I had the same experience as these patients, but I just didn't die. Some of you guys that feel that those who make statements like this must have psychological problems must have never had anything like this happen to you. I studied personality disorders and drug abuse. I did an internship at the state hospital and a treatment center. I eventually was in charge doing psychological testing on all the patients. In my training and work, I had to do the same testing on myself, so no, I don't have a personality disorder. It was always encouraged to test yourself. I worked with psychologists throughout my time there. Because of all the testing on patients. I have talked to one female who told me about having extraordinary experiences and unfortunately she told her family. The family told her it was Satan, so she had been terrified of her experiences. How sad religion strikes again. I would say that my quote, divine interventions were when my friends and I would drive a vehicle well intoxicated and not kill someone else or ourselves. Our asses were saved, Leslie somewhere in Texas. The thing that stood out to me personally about this is the interpretation of what divine intervention can meet, or messages from the divine can meet, as we found in a lot of cases of you know, prominent figures that expressed this and went in opposition to maybe the governing you know, kind of status quo, which usually was the church. They would be ostracized as being having demonic visions or demonic possession, like Joan of Art for example. So this idea of filtering experiences through that lens can go both ways. You could divine intervention is God stepping in and doing you a solid or in the case of this example that Leslie gave, someone might say you are being visited upon by you know, the damned, you know, the the lord of all evil, Satan himself. So I mean, I know it's not a particularly long email, but I did think it would give us an opportunity to kind of chat a little bit about, you know, what some of these experiences might mean kind of in the modern day.

You know, I'm really glad you brought this up, No, because we have received a lot of communication about this from from many of our fellow listeners who perhaps identify more on the skeptical side of things in most of their experiences. But as we as we explored in our previous episode on divine intervention, there are things that the human cannot yet rationally explain. And it's it's a very nice compliment. I would imagine to the earlier Conversation Exploration episode about auditory verbal auditory hallucinations, hearing voices, you know, because it's easy. I was read listening to an episode we did recently about the companies that were started by cults or newest iteration of that, and there was a great point I believe you originally raised it, Nol, about what defines the sea word? What makes something a cult? Is it one? I think I said, if there was just one guy who was Buddhist, I guess it would be Buddha, then people would treat him like it was crazy until he got millions of people to agree with him, and with divine intervention versus auditory hallucination, maybe we see we see a similar process. Right. It is only after Joan of Arc successfully executes several stunning military campaigns that people begin to say, perhaps supernatural heavenly celestial force is intervening. And leslie to your point. I love that. I love that idea of day to day divine intervention driving under the influence. No one dies, you know, maybe.

You know, I'm really glad you brought this up, No, because we have received a lot of communication about this from from many of our fellow listeners who perhaps identify more on the skeptical side of things in most of their experiences. But as we as we explored in our previous episode on divine intervention, there are things that the human cannot yet rationally explain. And it's it's a very nice compliment. I would imagine to the earlier Conversation Exploration episode about auditory verbal auditory hallucinations, hearing voices, you know, because it's easy. I was read listening to an episode we did recently about the companies that were started by cults or newest iteration of that, and there was a great point I believe you originally raised it, Nol, about what defines the sea word? What makes something a cult? Is it one? I think I said, if there was just one guy who was Buddhist, I guess it would be Buddha, then people would treat him like it was crazy until he got millions of people to agree with him, and with divine intervention versus auditory hallucination, maybe we see we see a similar process. Right. It is only after Joan of Arc successfully executes several stunning military campaigns that people begin to say, perhaps supernatural heavenly celestial force is intervening. And leslie to your point. I love that. I love that idea of day to day divine intervention driving under the influence. No one dies, you know, maybe.

And obviously this is someone reflecting back on there perhaps misspent youth. Right, you know that they survived forst sure and this did get me kind of digging through our inbox for some other accounts of divine intervention.

And obviously this is someone reflecting back on there perhaps misspent youth. Right, you know that they survived forst sure and this did get me kind of digging through our inbox for some other accounts of divine intervention.

I did find one more that I'd.

I did find one more that I'd.

Love to add to the to the pot if I could. From Uncle Bosco. Hey, Matt Nolan, Ben, I hope you are all well. I grew up in an atheist home. We celebrate Christmas and Easter, but not in a way associated with any Christian trappings hung on these pagan celebrations. I've never believed in a divine spirit or angels or demons or what have you. I still don't. That said, two things have happened in my life that I cannot explain. I've talked about both, and most people either don't believe me or say they were divine or angelic interventions. Incident one. It was June nineteen eighty three. I grew up on an eleven acre farm, and our house was on the northwest corner. The school bus dropped me off of the southeast corner of the farm, and i'd walk through the fields and pasture to get home. My dad and grandfather were building a new house near where the bus dropped me off. Walking by one day from the school bus, I saw the stud walls had been put up. I was a curious soon to be thirteen year old and had been warned the construction sites could be hazardous, so to only get close if my dad or grandfather were around. They were not around, and curiosity got the better of me. I was wandering around looking at how everything was put together, and I walked backwards into the hole in the floor where the stairs to the basement would go. I fell and slow and realized that the basement's concrete floor had been poured that day. I remember thinking how angry everyone would be when I ruined the concrete by falling into it. Then I saw my brown Adidas gym bag in my hand and feared it getting ruined by wet concrete. When my chin was about level with the plywood subfloor of the main floor, I stopped falling and was lifted to a sitting position on the edge of the hole. As I was being lifted and set down, I heard a soft whisper say it's not your time yet. It freaked the shit out of me, and I only went back to the house when my family moved in later that summer. I told one of my friends the next day, and he thought I had made the story up. I only spoke of it again when I was about twenty five. I told my parents and they both said that I had likely started to fall but caught myself and pulled myself up. Maybe, but not likely with a gym bag with books and gym clothes. I'm aware of our mind's ability to change events and create false memories, and so I more or less chalked that event up to a false memory. We got another incident here, but I'm just gonna stick with the one since we already had the other email. But that's pretty cool, I would say, coming from a you know, a self professed skeptic and atheists. You know, why bother making up a tale like that? I mean, again, he talks about the false memory. But that's pretty significant false memory, you know, especially with the whole whispered you know, it's not your time yet thing. What do you guys think of that?

Love to add to the to the pot if I could. From Uncle Bosco. Hey, Matt Nolan, Ben, I hope you are all well. I grew up in an atheist home. We celebrate Christmas and Easter, but not in a way associated with any Christian trappings hung on these pagan celebrations. I've never believed in a divine spirit or angels or demons or what have you. I still don't. That said, two things have happened in my life that I cannot explain. I've talked about both, and most people either don't believe me or say they were divine or angelic interventions. Incident one. It was June nineteen eighty three. I grew up on an eleven acre farm, and our house was on the northwest corner. The school bus dropped me off of the southeast corner of the farm, and i'd walk through the fields and pasture to get home. My dad and grandfather were building a new house near where the bus dropped me off. Walking by one day from the school bus, I saw the stud walls had been put up. I was a curious soon to be thirteen year old and had been warned the construction sites could be hazardous, so to only get close if my dad or grandfather were around. They were not around, and curiosity got the better of me. I was wandering around looking at how everything was put together, and I walked backwards into the hole in the floor where the stairs to the basement would go. I fell and slow and realized that the basement's concrete floor had been poured that day. I remember thinking how angry everyone would be when I ruined the concrete by falling into it. Then I saw my brown Adidas gym bag in my hand and feared it getting ruined by wet concrete. When my chin was about level with the plywood subfloor of the main floor, I stopped falling and was lifted to a sitting position on the edge of the hole. As I was being lifted and set down, I heard a soft whisper say it's not your time yet. It freaked the shit out of me, and I only went back to the house when my family moved in later that summer. I told one of my friends the next day, and he thought I had made the story up. I only spoke of it again when I was about twenty five. I told my parents and they both said that I had likely started to fall but caught myself and pulled myself up. Maybe, but not likely with a gym bag with books and gym clothes. I'm aware of our mind's ability to change events and create false memories, and so I more or less chalked that event up to a false memory. We got another incident here, but I'm just gonna stick with the one since we already had the other email. But that's pretty cool, I would say, coming from a you know, a self professed skeptic and atheists. You know, why bother making up a tale like that? I mean, again, he talks about the false memory. But that's pretty significant false memory, you know, especially with the whole whispered you know, it's not your time yet thing. What do you guys think of that?

I don't even know what to say. I think the gym bag saved you, boss, somehow the gym bag attached to a spring mechanism unbeknownst to you within.

I don't even know what to say. I think the gym bag saved you, boss, somehow the gym bag attached to a spring mechanism unbeknownst to you within.

Mustache.

Mustache.

Yeah, no, I have no idea. That's that's that's crazy.

Yeah, no, I have no idea. That's that's that's crazy.

It's also it's also true again, you know, I guess maybe we we owe a bit of a mia Kolpa here to Leslie as well or earlier conspiracy realist in that we said there might be psychologue issues at play Leslie. We did not say, in any case, there must be. We also with your story, Uncle Bosco, pleasure to meet you, bro. We al we also, I think, share a commonality in these experiences. There are certain events that, upon retrospect, even knowing memory is somewhat treacherous. There are certain events that simply defy plausible explanation, right, and they stick with you. It's strange to me that the line of demarcation between the quote unquote true believers and the quote unquote skeptics, it's not whether or not they had a moment like this, it is how they interpret it sactly. We've seen people who identify themselves as you know, very zealous skeptics, to the point where they're basically another version of fundamentalist religious types. And they'll say, well, yeah, this happened, but here's why it happened. And I know for sure it wasn't something I can't explain. But are they also just reaching for rationalization because one thing both sides of those spectrums have whenever these events occur is a dearth of proof, a lack of proof confirming their opinion or interpretation absolutely valid.

It's also it's also true again, you know, I guess maybe we we owe a bit of a mia Kolpa here to Leslie as well or earlier conspiracy realist in that we said there might be psychologue issues at play Leslie. We did not say, in any case, there must be. We also with your story, Uncle Bosco, pleasure to meet you, bro. We al we also, I think, share a commonality in these experiences. There are certain events that, upon retrospect, even knowing memory is somewhat treacherous. There are certain events that simply defy plausible explanation, right, and they stick with you. It's strange to me that the line of demarcation between the quote unquote true believers and the quote unquote skeptics, it's not whether or not they had a moment like this, it is how they interpret it sactly. We've seen people who identify themselves as you know, very zealous skeptics, to the point where they're basically another version of fundamentalist religious types. And they'll say, well, yeah, this happened, but here's why it happened. And I know for sure it wasn't something I can't explain. But are they also just reaching for rationalization because one thing both sides of those spectrums have whenever these events occur is a dearth of proof, a lack of proof confirming their opinion or interpretation absolutely valid.

I completely see where you're coming from. I do feel like it is. This second one is almost too good not to at least mention, and I try to paraphrase it. It is a little bit longer, but in late spring twenty fifteen, doing some yard work, and my wife and kids are out and we don't really have any neighbors close enough to see. As I'm raking leaves, I see a person standing near the edge of our property about two hundred feet from me. I turn to look at the person and there's no one there. Weird, but there wild animals in the area, and there was a bit of a breeze, so perhaps my eyes were playing tricks on me. Over the next four months, I continue to see a figure in my peripheral vision while I'm in my backyard alone. Every two to three weeks this would happen. The difference is each time the figure is closer and closer to me. In August, I finally get a halfway decent view of the figure. It's about six feet tall and a deeply pleated robe with the hood covering the face, and is holding its arms at about a forty five degree angle from its legs. I nearly pooped my pants. That's me editorializing. It's about thirty feet from me, and once again I register the details of what I'm looking at and it disappears. I think about telling my wife, but concerns she'll think I'm insane. In September, I start smelling smoke when there is none. I start thinking that the figure I've been seeing and the smoke smell are signs of a serious medical issue. I go to see my doctor and get a CT scan and a battery of tests. On October first, I was raking leaves and I hear a whisper saying be prepared, and I turned to see the road figure. I coughed from the smell of smoke, and the figure is gone. On the second, I received a call from my doctor's office telling me all my test results were normal. The next morning, October third, I woke to my phone ringing my dad was in the hospital dying and I needed to leave now to see him if I wanted to say goodbye. He died an hour after I arrived. When I was taking the personal effects one from the hospital, I was overwhelmed by the smell of cigarette smoke coming from his jacket. He was a lifelong smoker, and by the cigarette butts in the driveway of his home. Apparently was chainsmoking while waiting for the ambulance to come get him. I've not seen the road figure since, I've not smelled phantom smoke since. That was just a particularly eerie one. You know, we talked about examples of folks receiving information, you know that led to them making a decision that was meaningful.

I completely see where you're coming from. I do feel like it is. This second one is almost too good not to at least mention, and I try to paraphrase it. It is a little bit longer, but in late spring twenty fifteen, doing some yard work, and my wife and kids are out and we don't really have any neighbors close enough to see. As I'm raking leaves, I see a person standing near the edge of our property about two hundred feet from me. I turn to look at the person and there's no one there. Weird, but there wild animals in the area, and there was a bit of a breeze, so perhaps my eyes were playing tricks on me. Over the next four months, I continue to see a figure in my peripheral vision while I'm in my backyard alone. Every two to three weeks this would happen. The difference is each time the figure is closer and closer to me. In August, I finally get a halfway decent view of the figure. It's about six feet tall and a deeply pleated robe with the hood covering the face, and is holding its arms at about a forty five degree angle from its legs. I nearly pooped my pants. That's me editorializing. It's about thirty feet from me, and once again I register the details of what I'm looking at and it disappears. I think about telling my wife, but concerns she'll think I'm insane. In September, I start smelling smoke when there is none. I start thinking that the figure I've been seeing and the smoke smell are signs of a serious medical issue. I go to see my doctor and get a CT scan and a battery of tests. On October first, I was raking leaves and I hear a whisper saying be prepared, and I turned to see the road figure. I coughed from the smell of smoke, and the figure is gone. On the second, I received a call from my doctor's office telling me all my test results were normal. The next morning, October third, I woke to my phone ringing my dad was in the hospital dying and I needed to leave now to see him if I wanted to say goodbye. He died an hour after I arrived. When I was taking the personal effects one from the hospital, I was overwhelmed by the smell of cigarette smoke coming from his jacket. He was a lifelong smoker, and by the cigarette butts in the driveway of his home. Apparently was chainsmoking while waiting for the ambulance to come get him. I've not seen the road figure since, I've not smelled phantom smoke since. That was just a particularly eerie one. You know, we talked about examples of folks receiving information, you know that led to them making a decision that was meaningful.

So I thought this was a really good one.

So I thought this was a really good one.

But thank you to Leslie and Uncle Bosco for those accounts of divine intervention. Let's take a quick break here, a word from our sponsor, and we'll be back with more messages from you.

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And we're back and we're jumping to the phone lines. Remember you can call us just like everybody else that has. Our number is one eight three three std WYTK. It's a voicemail. Leave one and we might play it on one of these episodes. Here we go. This message comes from Green Garnet and it is regarding our episode on hearing voices.

And we're back and we're jumping to the phone lines. Remember you can call us just like everybody else that has. Our number is one eight three three std WYTK. It's a voicemail. Leave one and we might play it on one of these episodes. Here we go. This message comes from Green Garnet and it is regarding our episode on hearing voices.

Hey, everybody, you can call me Green Garnet. I'm calling because I just felt compelled to share a little tiny ditch with you about hearing voices. When I was a little kid in the seventies and eighties, we lived in a house that was a really big old house from the nineteen twenties, and I would hear voices, but I couldn't make out what they were saying. I didn't feel like they were talking to me. Just sounded like mumbling a lot of times, or like through the wall kind of conversation. I didn't think very much of it. I didn't it didn't scare me or anything like that. It was just like something that happened sometimes, except for one night where it was really kind of like escalated. I woke up and I so it was kind of like after a dream, but I could still or whatever. I don't know if it was from a dream or what, but I could hear downstairs because our bedroom was on the second floor. Down stairs, I could hear this voice coming just yell, kind of talking really loud, saying hey, hey, hey, And it was really loud and it didn't go away, and I started getting scared somebody was actually really downstairs, and woke up my dad to go Caul. I could see. I was so sure somebody was down there. Of course he came back up there wasn't, and the noise had stopped. And there's no really interesting resolution or other story about it except for that. I don't know if it's related. But when I was growing up, I had like this imaginary friend and her boyfriend, but they were like adults. I didn't really play with them. I just like knew them, if that makes sense. Rosie and Steve and I never heard those voices or saw the friend and her boyfriend ever again. Once we left the house. So I'm wondering if this is something a little more related to a house thing and that it's energy or some I don't know. Anyway, interesting story, not super interesting, though not as interesting as your show was, but at least you have another data point and another story to add to your collection of hearing voices. I really look forward to your show almost every day. I work in a lab and sometimes there's a lot of monotony, and being able to listen to you guys while I'm doing the work is really really fun. Thanks for doing all the work that you do, and hope you're having a great day or a great night.

Hey, everybody, you can call me Green Garnet. I'm calling because I just felt compelled to share a little tiny ditch with you about hearing voices. When I was a little kid in the seventies and eighties, we lived in a house that was a really big old house from the nineteen twenties, and I would hear voices, but I couldn't make out what they were saying. I didn't feel like they were talking to me. Just sounded like mumbling a lot of times, or like through the wall kind of conversation. I didn't think very much of it. I didn't it didn't scare me or anything like that. It was just like something that happened sometimes, except for one night where it was really kind of like escalated. I woke up and I so it was kind of like after a dream, but I could still or whatever. I don't know if it was from a dream or what, but I could hear downstairs because our bedroom was on the second floor. Down stairs, I could hear this voice coming just yell, kind of talking really loud, saying hey, hey, hey, And it was really loud and it didn't go away, and I started getting scared somebody was actually really downstairs, and woke up my dad to go Caul. I could see. I was so sure somebody was down there. Of course he came back up there wasn't, and the noise had stopped. And there's no really interesting resolution or other story about it except for that. I don't know if it's related. But when I was growing up, I had like this imaginary friend and her boyfriend, but they were like adults. I didn't really play with them. I just like knew them, if that makes sense. Rosie and Steve and I never heard those voices or saw the friend and her boyfriend ever again. Once we left the house. So I'm wondering if this is something a little more related to a house thing and that it's energy or some I don't know. Anyway, interesting story, not super interesting, though not as interesting as your show was, but at least you have another data point and another story to add to your collection of hearing voices. I really look forward to your show almost every day. I work in a lab and sometimes there's a lot of monotony, and being able to listen to you guys while I'm doing the work is really really fun. Thanks for doing all the work that you do, and hope you're having a great day or a great night.

I wow, guys, Okay, we got to talk about this.

I wow, guys, Okay, we got to talk about this.

What do you think imaginary friends? Did you guys have any Oh geez, is that too personal? I know we're just coworkers, so.

What do you think imaginary friends? Did you guys have any Oh geez, is that too personal? I know we're just coworkers, so.

Well, no, you know, it's funny, you know, I was I think I was the only child, and I did I wish I did. It seems really cool, you know, like I really love the movie Inside Out. You know there's that whole thing with like Bingbong, the imaginary friend that like pink elephant.

Well, no, you know, it's funny, you know, I was I think I was the only child, and I did I wish I did. It seems really cool, you know, like I really love the movie Inside Out. You know there's that whole thing with like Bingbong, the imaginary friend that like pink elephant.

Creature, drop dead Fred.

Creature, drop dead Fred.

Drop dead Fred. That's right, Yeah, that guy was a psychopath, though not a very good friend at all.

Drop dead Fred. That's right, Yeah, that guy was a psychopath, though not a very good friend at all.

He was rambunctious. Man.

He was rambunctious. Man.

Man, No, I just I think that's you know, it's funny, though that didn't really come up in the episode. But the idea of imaginary friends is a lot like hearing voices in the sense, you know, and sometimes you have to wonder, how do these imaginary friends manifest themselves, you know, in the mind of a child versus the interpretation of an adult about what it was like when they were a child.

Man, No, I just I think that's you know, it's funny, though that didn't really come up in the episode. But the idea of imaginary friends is a lot like hearing voices in the sense, you know, and sometimes you have to wonder, how do these imaginary friends manifest themselves, you know, in the mind of a child versus the interpretation of an adult about what it was like when they were a child.

Well, yeah, at the risk I'm going to talk for a little bit, you guys, just interrupt me because I've got so many thoughts on this. The first one is I didn't have an imaginary friend that I can remember, which is really important, right. I don't recollect having an imaginary friend. I remember Teddy Ruxman and him whispering things to me through his tapes. But the important thing there is that maybe I did have an imaginary friend that I was interacting with at some point, but when I got older, either I put that away or it's hidden somewhere in the back of my mind. That is the weird thing about our minds, right, they are pretty pliable at times. And we can if we go through something especially traumatic, we can kind of forget some stuff and then maybe have to come back to it or rediscover it later, either accidentally or on purpose.

Well, yeah, at the risk I'm going to talk for a little bit, you guys, just interrupt me because I've got so many thoughts on this. The first one is I didn't have an imaginary friend that I can remember, which is really important, right. I don't recollect having an imaginary friend. I remember Teddy Ruxman and him whispering things to me through his tapes. But the important thing there is that maybe I did have an imaginary friend that I was interacting with at some point, but when I got older, either I put that away or it's hidden somewhere in the back of my mind. That is the weird thing about our minds, right, they are pretty pliable at times. And we can if we go through something especially traumatic, we can kind of forget some stuff and then maybe have to come back to it or rediscover it later, either accidentally or on purpose.

Yeah, an unethical or incompetent Uh, the right kind of mentalist or a therapist could also uh sort of incept us with the idea right through the hypnotic regression or any other technique similar.

Yeah, an unethical or incompetent Uh, the right kind of mentalist or a therapist could also uh sort of incept us with the idea right through the hypnotic regression or any other technique similar.

Exactly the Darren Brown dude. There's weird stuff they can occur up in this closed closet of a brain skull thing whatever.

Exactly the Darren Brown dude. There's weird stuff they can occur up in this closed closet of a brain skull thing whatever.

That is the technically read that's papers on Jamma.

That is the technically read that's papers on Jamma.

So many on their journal. I just flood that thing. It's like a mud flood.

So many on their journal. I just flood that thing. It's like a mud flood.

Sorry, all right, So wait, but this idea though imaginary friends.

Sorry, all right, So wait, but this idea though imaginary friends.

Right, yeah, So that is what intrigued me the most about Green Garnet story. Uh, the concept of as a child maybe having interactions with you go on a limb a little bit thinking about this, but maybe with some kind of spirit or leftover energy that was in this nineteen twenties house, and as a child, for one reason or another, she's more attuned to them and has interactions with Rosie and Steve, you know, as this uh, this person and her boyfriend, and she can see them, she can hear them, there's interaction there. But then as she gets older, they're still there. But for some reason, the changes in our minds, in our brains, physiological changes as we grow older, it won't allow for her to see them and experience them as she once did.

Right, yeah, So that is what intrigued me the most about Green Garnet story. Uh, the concept of as a child maybe having interactions with you go on a limb a little bit thinking about this, but maybe with some kind of spirit or leftover energy that was in this nineteen twenties house, and as a child, for one reason or another, she's more attuned to them and has interactions with Rosie and Steve, you know, as this uh, this person and her boyfriend, and she can see them, she can hear them, there's interaction there. But then as she gets older, they're still there. But for some reason, the changes in our minds, in our brains, physiological changes as we grow older, it won't allow for her to see them and experience them as she once did.

Oh, the accumulation of fluoride. I'm kidding, it's definitely.

Oh, the accumulation of fluoride. I'm kidding, it's definitely.

Florid calcification of your But maybe something does change over time. Again, there aren't There aren't studies on this, because how do you how do you get taken seriously and get funding to do a study on we do our brains change in a way that are our imaginary friends are no longer accessible over time?

Florid calcification of your But maybe something does change over time. Again, there aren't There aren't studies on this, because how do you how do you get taken seriously and get funding to do a study on we do our brains change in a way that are our imaginary friends are no longer accessible over time?

Do our antenna attenuate? Yeah?

Do our antenna attenuate? Yeah?

Good luck, good luck getting funding for that. But that, to me is a really intriguing concept, And I wonder if there's anyone else out there who's had us maybe a similar thing where there was, to your recollection, an imaginary friend with whom you had interactions at least to you right, and then over time you either gradually lose that connection or is there one day when it just stops? Can you even recall that? Is it possible? To recall that moment if you are now, you know, in your thirties, let's say, and you interacted with an imaginary friend at five or six or something like that.

Good luck, good luck getting funding for that. But that, to me is a really intriguing concept, And I wonder if there's anyone else out there who's had us maybe a similar thing where there was, to your recollection, an imaginary friend with whom you had interactions at least to you right, and then over time you either gradually lose that connection or is there one day when it just stops? Can you even recall that? Is it possible? To recall that moment if you are now, you know, in your thirties, let's say, and you interacted with an imaginary friend at five or six or something like that.

It's interesting you say this, Matt, because typically you may find this of fascination as well Green Garnet. Typically when people talk about having an imaginary friend, they are not able to bring up a specific moment where it said goodbye, right, or said I'm going to go in the background because you brush your teeth too much or whatever. But all right, I'm laying that Joco. The idea. Typically what happens is it seems somewhere in adolescence, perhaps targeted as close as a summer, so a time window of let's say three to four months. Then it gradually fades out as new external stimuli are introduced. Now, obviously I have to accuse myself because I have been the imaginary friend of several different people. But but the idea here is I think really fascinating because it goes back to our concepts of cultural framing for an experience. Right, I hear a voice, I hear it multiple times. It feels like it's the same voice. How do I phrase it? It's clearly not, you know, a thing like, it's not nefarious force, it's not sinister. It's not in the bed or in the closet waiting to get me.

It's interesting you say this, Matt, because typically you may find this of fascination as well Green Garnet. Typically when people talk about having an imaginary friend, they are not able to bring up a specific moment where it said goodbye, right, or said I'm going to go in the background because you brush your teeth too much or whatever. But all right, I'm laying that Joco. The idea. Typically what happens is it seems somewhere in adolescence, perhaps targeted as close as a summer, so a time window of let's say three to four months. Then it gradually fades out as new external stimuli are introduced. Now, obviously I have to accuse myself because I have been the imaginary friend of several different people. But but the idea here is I think really fascinating because it goes back to our concepts of cultural framing for an experience. Right, I hear a voice, I hear it multiple times. It feels like it's the same voice. How do I phrase it? It's clearly not, you know, a thing like, it's not nefarious force, it's not sinister. It's not in the bed or in the closet waiting to get me.

It's in the walls.

It's in the walls.

It's in the walls. We're all inside. Oh my gosh, it's it's also one of our collective dreams that take to do a fun improv thing together. But but yeah, it's food for thought, for sure, because to your point, Matt, and to your point Green Garnet, I imagine that there are quite a few people with with something like the quote unquote imaginary friend experience. Also being an only child, like you know, there's this tendency to make one's own inner universe. It applies to all. Yeah, but in the formative age of of the humans, there's uh, there's a special particular emphasis on internal world building when one does not have siblings.

It's in the walls. We're all inside. Oh my gosh, it's it's also one of our collective dreams that take to do a fun improv thing together. But but yeah, it's food for thought, for sure, because to your point, Matt, and to your point Green Garnet, I imagine that there are quite a few people with with something like the quote unquote imaginary friend experience. Also being an only child, like you know, there's this tendency to make one's own inner universe. It applies to all. Yeah, but in the formative age of of the humans, there's uh, there's a special particular emphasis on internal world building when one does not have siblings.

Mmmm. So it's kind of like when Fred Savage is looking down at the pile of laundry, and then the pile of laundry becomes you know, Howie Mandel as Maurice, and then he proceeds to go underneath the bed down into an entire imaginary world. Brother Ben Savage is like, nah, man, there's no monsters under your bed, and then Ben gets pulled down into the world, and then Fred's got a save Ben. It's just crazy, man.

Mmmm. So it's kind of like when Fred Savage is looking down at the pile of laundry, and then the pile of laundry becomes you know, Howie Mandel as Maurice, and then he proceeds to go underneath the bed down into an entire imaginary world. Brother Ben Savage is like, nah, man, there's no monsters under your bed, and then Ben gets pulled down into the world, and then Fred's got a save Ben. It's just crazy, man.

I was thinking that was sort of an imaginary friend's story, but I wasn't sure. I don't know that one as well as right, right said Fred, dropped dead Fred, they're all.

I was thinking that was sort of an imaginary friend's story, but I wasn't sure. I don't know that one as well as right, right said Fred, dropped dead Fred, they're all.

In the same universe. We're doing an MCU for everything now dropped dead Fred, little monsters and right said Fred the Catwalk guy.

In the same universe. We're doing an MCU for everything now dropped dead Fred, little monsters and right said Fred the Catwalk guy.

Yes, all the same.

Yes, all the same.

And if you're into this kind of Foster's Home for imaginary friends, it's a great cartoon, a good one to watch with your kids, and it definitely talks about a lot of the same stuff that these movies do, but in a little bit more of an absurdist, childlike fashion.

And if you're into this kind of Foster's Home for imaginary friends, it's a great cartoon, a good one to watch with your kids, and it definitely talks about a lot of the same stuff that these movies do, but in a little bit more of an absurdist, childlike fashion.

But what I'm saying, guys, is that we're all Ben Savage until our pile of laundry becomes how we mendel. Okay, does that make sense totally? I use that.

But what I'm saying, guys, is that we're all Ben Savage until our pile of laundry becomes how we mendel. Okay, does that make sense totally? I use that.

I'm a big from he of your articles in jama.

I'm a big from he of your articles in jama.

I'm really glad somebody reads them.

I'm really glad somebody reads them.

Yes, yeah, yeah, check out our check out our earlier episode out of academic journals. If we've done that one. But uh. But also something important to note that may be of interest to not to green Garnet, to you as well. I would love to hear your thoughts on this, folks. The concept of imaginary friends, generally in the world of psychoanalysis. Uh, they will not arrive from a vacuum. They will be descended from something you know, like uh, like in a Christmas story, Uh, the kid loves little orphan Annie and his go to get a decoder ring. Right, spoiler, It's an advertisement, but it's a good advertisement. And I'm wondering this is a question for all of us playing along at home this evening. Is an imaginary friend a predecessor of the parasocial relationship tendency.

Yes, yeah, yeah, check out our check out our earlier episode out of academic journals. If we've done that one. But uh. But also something important to note that may be of interest to not to green Garnet, to you as well. I would love to hear your thoughts on this, folks. The concept of imaginary friends, generally in the world of psychoanalysis. Uh, they will not arrive from a vacuum. They will be descended from something you know, like uh, like in a Christmas story, Uh, the kid loves little orphan Annie and his go to get a decoder ring. Right, spoiler, It's an advertisement, but it's a good advertisement. And I'm wondering this is a question for all of us playing along at home this evening. Is an imaginary friend a predecessor of the parasocial relationship tendency.

Go on someone who well, I don't know, because.

Go on someone who well, I don't know, because.

Parasocial being someone who kind of is clingy, parasocial parasocial being the tendency that humans have to be quote unquote like to be psychologically or consciously with someone like a celebrity, and then to feel that there is a closer personal relationship.

Parasocial being someone who kind of is clingy, parasocial parasocial being the tendency that humans have to be quote unquote like to be psychologically or consciously with someone like a celebrity, and then to feel that there is a closer personal relationship.

Dude.

Dude.

Social media is imaginary friends. For days. Podcasts are imaginary friends. I mean, but they're not imaginary, but they fill the same need. We just have technology now where people can have ten different flavors of imaginary friend.

Social media is imaginary friends. For days. Podcasts are imaginary friends. I mean, but they're not imaginary, but they fill the same need. We just have technology now where people can have ten different flavors of imaginary friend.

Guys, I don't know. I feel like Conan is probably my friend. He made a whole podcast with friend and title.

Guys, I don't know. I feel like Conan is probably my friend. He made a whole podcast with friend and title.

Thank you for stepping up man, you know, good on you, Matt.

Thank you for stepping up man, you know, good on you, Matt.

I really do love that podcast.

I really do love that podcast.

It is Conan's Conan's a legend everybody. Everybody knows that he needs to stop texting as often. But otherwise great dude.

It is Conan's Conan's a legend everybody. Everybody knows that he needs to stop texting as often. But otherwise great dude.

For sure. Definitely to stop texting while driving, Conan, that's dangerous and against the law.

For sure. Definitely to stop texting while driving, Conan, that's dangerous and against the law.

Knock it off, seriously.

Knock it off, seriously.

His meme game is tight though.

His meme game is tight though.

Oh yeah, but Leslie, you know knows our last emailer, Leslie knows you cannot do that. Texting and driving is dangerous. Leslie, by the way, also didn't like hugs. I don't know if you guys remember a long time ago Leslie wrote in our previous emailer that we just talked about. She wrote to tell us she does not like hugs, and she refuses to hug anything that's not a cute animal. I don't know why.

Oh yeah, but Leslie, you know knows our last emailer, Leslie knows you cannot do that. Texting and driving is dangerous. Leslie, by the way, also didn't like hugs. I don't know if you guys remember a long time ago Leslie wrote in our previous emailer that we just talked about. She wrote to tell us she does not like hugs, and she refuses to hug anything that's not a cute animal. I don't know why.

Consumptuous it can be. They can be. I don't like it.

Consumptuous it can be. They can be. I don't like it.

I remember you, h that's why.

I remember you, h that's why.

For you guys, I'll do it, But but I feel you twitch while I'm holding you close.

For you guys, I'll do it, But but I feel you twitch while I'm holding you close.

I'm a little bit militant about it. I'm like, oh here we are. I totally am guilty of doing the three times.

I'm a little bit militant about it. I'm like, oh here we are. I totally am guilty of doing the three times.

The twitch is what it's all about. That's how you know, That's how you know the hug. Oh God, I'm calling HR. You should thank you so much Green Garnet for writing in with that experience. Uh yeah, we we love hearing those kind of stories. If anyone else has one like that, we'd love to hear it as well. We'll be right back with more messages from you.

The twitch is what it's all about. That's how you know, That's how you know the hug. Oh God, I'm calling HR. You should thank you so much Green Garnet for writing in with that experience. Uh yeah, we we love hearing those kind of stories. If anyone else has one like that, we'd love to hear it as well. We'll be right back with more messages from you.

And we have returned never fear fellow conspiracy realist. I obviously did not call HR because I don't like calling people. Uh So we got a We received something that I think was very illuminating slash disturby and talk about real quick from our pal Rich, fellow conspiracy realist Rich in Southern Alberta. Being that Southern Alberta is in Canada, Rich is still more of a Yankee than we are. Rich says, Hello, gentlemen, if you like, you can read this email for the show and refer to me as Rich from Southern Alberta. Got your back, Rich done, Rich says, I just finished listening to your strange news segment talking about the so called Queen of Canada, and as a resident of southern Alberta near the Saskatchewan border, my ears perked up when you mentioned Ramona Didulo. The article you referenced in the show made the situation seem very minor and somewhat comical, not much more than a nuisance, but I can assure you that is far from the truth. I've included a link to the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation article written just a few days ago that should answer some of your questions and let you know just how serious the situation is and how potentially dangerous this cult may be. Spoiler alert it includes threats of public execution. I hope that you find this email helpful and the article informative. Best wishes from Rich in Southern Alberta. Real quick, before we get into this, I want to thank Doc Holliday, Matt and Nole for putting up with me having to do a couple takes of that one. I don't know why that became a tongue twister. Southern Alberta near the Saskatchewan border.

And we have returned never fear fellow conspiracy realist. I obviously did not call HR because I don't like calling people. Uh So we got a We received something that I think was very illuminating slash disturby and talk about real quick from our pal Rich, fellow conspiracy realist Rich in Southern Alberta. Being that Southern Alberta is in Canada, Rich is still more of a Yankee than we are. Rich says, Hello, gentlemen, if you like, you can read this email for the show and refer to me as Rich from Southern Alberta. Got your back, Rich done, Rich says, I just finished listening to your strange news segment talking about the so called Queen of Canada, and as a resident of southern Alberta near the Saskatchewan border, my ears perked up when you mentioned Ramona Didulo. The article you referenced in the show made the situation seem very minor and somewhat comical, not much more than a nuisance, but I can assure you that is far from the truth. I've included a link to the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation article written just a few days ago that should answer some of your questions and let you know just how serious the situation is and how potentially dangerous this cult may be. Spoiler alert it includes threats of public execution. I hope that you find this email helpful and the article informative. Best wishes from Rich in Southern Alberta. Real quick, before we get into this, I want to thank Doc Holliday, Matt and Nole for putting up with me having to do a couple takes of that one. I don't know why that became a tongue twister. Southern Alberta near the Saskatchewan border.

You got it, dude, that's a toughie.

You got it, dude, that's a toughie.

Well, it took me four tries. All right, So, longtime conspiracy realist. If you tuned in to our previous Strange News and listener mail segments, which again we welcome. We do this every week, please join us next week as well. We talked about something that NOL you in particular, have been following. You you hipped us when you found a Vice article way back about the so called QAnon Queen Ramona Didulo has self appointed as the matriarch, the monarch of Canada, which is very interesting to the good people of Canada who already had their own government and are part of the you know, part of the British Empire.

Well, it took me four tries. All right, So, longtime conspiracy realist. If you tuned in to our previous Strange News and listener mail segments, which again we welcome. We do this every week, please join us next week as well. We talked about something that NOL you in particular, have been following. You you hipped us when you found a Vice article way back about the so called QAnon Queen Ramona Didulo has self appointed as the matriarch, the monarch of Canada, which is very interesting to the good people of Canada who already had their own government and are part of the you know, part of the British Empire.

Yes, and I do want to say that maybe the article that I referenced was downplaying things a little bit. I didn't really think so. And I also felt like we were all kind of being visibly freaked out by.

Yes, and I do want to say that maybe the article that I referenced was downplaying things a little bit. I didn't really think so. And I also felt like we were all kind of being visibly freaked out by.

The potential for this kind of stuff.

The potential for this kind of stuff.

Yeah, you know, because there was the whole like surveillance, like people on the roofs and stuff, and there is a lot of veiled threats. Yeah, so I'm interested to hear what this next level is of maybe d pulling the veil back on some of these threats.

Yeah, you know, because there was the whole like surveillance, like people on the roofs and stuff, and there is a lot of veiled threats. Yeah, so I'm interested to hear what this next level is of maybe d pulling the veil back on some of these threats.

Yeah, I think also what we did in terms of the concept of being somewhat comedic about it is we were pointing out just how very kind people tend to be in most rural environments in the West, you know what I mean. Like if you went to the a lot of the Midwest and the United States and you were in a small town and you took over like an abandoned barn or a shed, then what would happen is someone would show up and they would tell you to get out, but they would also probably check if you needed snacks, like show up with a cast role like well, you know, also, you're not supposed to be here. So when we were being a bit comedic, we're not being dismissive. And to Nole's point there, we have one reason we keep coming back to this person and their followers is because there seems to be a growing danger, right, There's something, there's something reaching a boil is the problem. And this happens with you know, this happens with your Kureeshes, this happens with your Bundy with the Ammons, this happens with your Jim Joneses.

Yeah, I think also what we did in terms of the concept of being somewhat comedic about it is we were pointing out just how very kind people tend to be in most rural environments in the West, you know what I mean. Like if you went to the a lot of the Midwest and the United States and you were in a small town and you took over like an abandoned barn or a shed, then what would happen is someone would show up and they would tell you to get out, but they would also probably check if you needed snacks, like show up with a cast role like well, you know, also, you're not supposed to be here. So when we were being a bit comedic, we're not being dismissive. And to Nole's point there, we have one reason we keep coming back to this person and their followers is because there seems to be a growing danger, right, There's something, there's something reaching a boil is the problem. And this happens with you know, this happens with your Kureeshes, this happens with your Bundy with the Ammons, this happens with your Jim Joneses.

We mentioned all of those two on the episode that it was feeling like it was inching towards that kind of standoff situation. Sorry, I'm not like trying to defend ourselves that is fly, I really did. I think we all felt like this was like, what's the word, a powder keg type situation.

We mentioned all of those two on the episode that it was feeling like it was inching towards that kind of standoff situation. Sorry, I'm not like trying to defend ourselves that is fly, I really did. I think we all felt like this was like, what's the word, a powder keg type situation.

Well, see now here, here's a problem. This person is probably talking directly to me because in my mind, seriously, I've viewed I viewed that group a lot as a nuisance, as in a you know, a group that's traveling through to different towns because nobody wants them there and they're kind of keeping to themselves, and I saw it as the town kind of saying, hey, get out, like come on, we don't we don't want y'all here. And I was thinking about solutions that the town could come up with to just force them out. But I didn't think about the things that are in this article that was shared by our listener.

Well, see now here, here's a problem. This person is probably talking directly to me because in my mind, seriously, I've viewed I viewed that group a lot as a nuisance, as in a you know, a group that's traveling through to different towns because nobody wants them there and they're kind of keeping to themselves, and I saw it as the town kind of saying, hey, get out, like come on, we don't we don't want y'all here. And I was thinking about solutions that the town could come up with to just force them out. But I didn't think about the things that are in this article that was shared by our listener.

Yeah, so let's go to this article. Let's shout Laura Scarpioletti and a pardon my pronunciation here. Laura is a journalist for the CBC and links us to this article. The headline involves the concept of public executions.

Yeah, so let's go to this article. Let's shout Laura Scarpioletti and a pardon my pronunciation here. Laura is a journalist for the CBC and links us to this article. The headline involves the concept of public executions.

And.

And.

What we see here are mentions of several things we pointed out previously. The militarization of a cult that is, a cultic movement that is becoming increasingly it's trending in a bad direction. It's trending toward the US versus them. The delusions of grandeur, the apocalyptic reckonings and predictions that are common to all sorts of ultimately unsustainable ideological movements. The CBC article directly references a letter that the group sent to the mayor, the village councilors, members of the fire department, members of the Mounted police, and a school teacher named them specifically accuse them of corruption, bullying, and skulking, and said the following. If the village does not follow the decrees of the Queen, they will receive judgment, and if they are quote found guilty of crimes against humanity or treason, they will face publicly broadcast execution upon yourselves and undeserved devastation upon your children, grandchildren and families. Continues. Be Fore warned, WTP, we the people like the nomenclature. We've got the acronyms going. We the people WTP are now watching you with open eyes. The curtain is drawn. Your future is in your hands. So these folks in the village council they call a meeting after the letter work comes out the mayor's they're disgusted, they're scared. People are staying in their houses more often. This is dangerous stuff. The RCMP Royal Canadian Mound Police have opened a temporary detachment and they're in Richmond, in this rural town. And I think it's important to note that this may be something. Hopefully this situation results peacefully. But what do you think, guys? I don't think. No, you're too far off and calling it a powder keg, because clearly, look, cultic organizations like this, they're like fascism. They need an enemy, they need a timeline right to rationalize the increased control over the followers. So what will happen?

What we see here are mentions of several things we pointed out previously. The militarization of a cult that is, a cultic movement that is becoming increasingly it's trending in a bad direction. It's trending toward the US versus them. The delusions of grandeur, the apocalyptic reckonings and predictions that are common to all sorts of ultimately unsustainable ideological movements. The CBC article directly references a letter that the group sent to the mayor, the village councilors, members of the fire department, members of the Mounted police, and a school teacher named them specifically accuse them of corruption, bullying, and skulking, and said the following. If the village does not follow the decrees of the Queen, they will receive judgment, and if they are quote found guilty of crimes against humanity or treason, they will face publicly broadcast execution upon yourselves and undeserved devastation upon your children, grandchildren and families. Continues. Be Fore warned, WTP, we the people like the nomenclature. We've got the acronyms going. We the people WTP are now watching you with open eyes. The curtain is drawn. Your future is in your hands. So these folks in the village council they call a meeting after the letter work comes out the mayor's they're disgusted, they're scared. People are staying in their houses more often. This is dangerous stuff. The RCMP Royal Canadian Mound Police have opened a temporary detachment and they're in Richmond, in this rural town. And I think it's important to note that this may be something. Hopefully this situation results peacefully. But what do you think, guys? I don't think. No, you're too far off and calling it a powder keg, because clearly, look, cultic organizations like this, they're like fascism. They need an enemy, they need a timeline right to rationalize the increased control over the followers. So what will happen?

Well, there's definitely no quiet de escalation in that event. Right. The queen doesn't gradually say, oh, well, maybe I'm not the queen. Oh well, you know, i haven't been the queen for a while, guys, I'm not the queen anymore.

Well, there's definitely no quiet de escalation in that event. Right. The queen doesn't gradually say, oh, well, maybe I'm not the queen. Oh well, you know, i haven't been the queen for a while, guys, I'm not the queen anymore.

You know, she's more on the off with their heads mode.

You know, she's more on the off with their heads mode.

Now, Yes, either I am the queen or I am not the queen. Right and until and right now, I am the queen, and if you say I'm not right, you're gonna have to dethrone me. Kind of thing, is what it sounds like, feels like. But again, how do you with the thought of tanks that essentially act as flame throwers that we have seen in the past, Like, how do you not expect some kind of devastating force to be brought down upon you if you're threatening an entire town of people, right, I.

Now, Yes, either I am the queen or I am not the queen. Right and until and right now, I am the queen, and if you say I'm not right, you're gonna have to dethrone me. Kind of thing, is what it sounds like, feels like. But again, how do you with the thought of tanks that essentially act as flame throwers that we have seen in the past, Like, how do you not expect some kind of devastating force to be brought down upon you if you're threatening an entire town of people, right, I.

Don't know occupying a publicly owned building, right.

Don't know occupying a publicly owned building, right.

Taking, But if you're threatening I didn't know about these threats, is what I guess I'm saying, Like I didn't realize they're calling for the deaths of specific people as well as anybody that they find to be breaking the rules that they set, you know.

Taking, But if you're threatening I didn't know about these threats, is what I guess I'm saying, Like I didn't realize they're calling for the deaths of specific people as well as anybody that they find to be breaking the rules that they set, you know.

Which those people did not agree to. They did not vote for this uh pretender to the throne. I'm not being I'm not being a jerk. That is the name. That is the term used when one person says they're a monarch and someone else already considers themselves a monarch. I'm just putting that out there. And Queen here, you know, and and that's that I think that is. I think it's tremendously impactful because this shows us how these things can build. And if you see something in mass media later when this stuff goes sideways, then you're going to see no shortage of self appointed experts who were not paying attention to it until about twenty minutes before they went on air. You know what I mean. Like, it's just the world is happening. It's not happening in a vacuum, and we have to be very careful. That's why strange news and listener mail exists, because we've got to look past Matt Nole. You and I were talking about this a little bit offline, you know, the way that news is sort of prepackaged like a microwave meal for people. Here's a very complex situation. We've got four minutes and thirty seconds to tell you. You know, I don't know. I think it's dangerous. I really appreciate you Rich for reaching out. Stay safe up there and write to us with more details as things develop. Thought we could end on one more if we got time. Do we have one more? Oh?

Which those people did not agree to. They did not vote for this uh pretender to the throne. I'm not being I'm not being a jerk. That is the name. That is the term used when one person says they're a monarch and someone else already considers themselves a monarch. I'm just putting that out there. And Queen here, you know, and and that's that I think that is. I think it's tremendously impactful because this shows us how these things can build. And if you see something in mass media later when this stuff goes sideways, then you're going to see no shortage of self appointed experts who were not paying attention to it until about twenty minutes before they went on air. You know what I mean. Like, it's just the world is happening. It's not happening in a vacuum, and we have to be very careful. That's why strange news and listener mail exists, because we've got to look past Matt Nole. You and I were talking about this a little bit offline, you know, the way that news is sort of prepackaged like a microwave meal for people. Here's a very complex situation. We've got four minutes and thirty seconds to tell you. You know, I don't know. I think it's dangerous. I really appreciate you Rich for reaching out. Stay safe up there and write to us with more details as things develop. Thought we could end on one more if we got time. Do we have one more? Oh?

Yeah, okay, all.

Yeah, okay, all.

Right, So we got a friend who, uh, for the sake of anonymity, we'll call the beekeeper. The beekeeper and I got in a little bit of a conversation because the beekeeper is a former attendee of Deaf Cod and I pitched you guys on maybe us visiting Deaf God. No, so that says, no, well you can't. You can't afford a burner phone.

Right, So we got a friend who, uh, for the sake of anonymity, we'll call the beekeeper. The beekeeper and I got in a little bit of a conversation because the beekeeper is a former attendee of Deaf Cod and I pitched you guys on maybe us visiting Deaf God. No, so that says, no, well you can't. You can't afford a burner phone.

I'm not allowed in those places anymore. All right, Ever since I got banned for putting quake on my middle school.

I'm not allowed in those places anymore. All right, Ever since I got banned for putting quake on my middle school.

Servers, Oh you did?

Servers, Oh you did?

Is that a true story, dude?

Is that a true story, dude?

That's awesome. Power to the people. Nice job. Uh so, uh, here we go. This is a fun story about getting banned from places. Okay, beekeeper, this is your story about getting banned from Caesar's Palace. Here's how it starts. Beekeeper says, I haven't been to a conference in a few years. I'm not as active in info SEC as I was, but I would love to get back to Deaf Cod if I can get my Caesar's Palace ban lifted. Also, beekeeper says, I'm jealous of you all's trip to the Hoover Dam and I've wanted to go, but I've always been busy when I'm in Vegas.

That's awesome. Power to the people. Nice job. Uh so, uh, here we go. This is a fun story about getting banned from places. Okay, beekeeper, this is your story about getting banned from Caesar's Palace. Here's how it starts. Beekeeper says, I haven't been to a conference in a few years. I'm not as active in info SEC as I was, but I would love to get back to Deaf Cod if I can get my Caesar's Palace ban lifted. Also, beekeeper says, I'm jealous of you all's trip to the Hoover Dam and I've wanted to go, but I've always been busy when I'm in Vegas.

Because he's a beekeeper.

Because he's a beekeeper.

Yeah, he's putting a jar of Bee's on the blackjack table.

Yeah, he's putting a jar of Bee's on the blackjack table.

He's like, better put it right in that circle man or that dealer. Look at you funny.

He's like, better put it right in that circle man or that dealer. Look at you funny.

Out there, So ask for more details. Beekeeper says, basically, they kicked me out of my room and I kept breaking back in until they escorted me off the property and banned me. They being Caesar's Palace. And then Beekeeper says, I used pre paid cards and cash for deaf cod and they couldn't charge the card. They wouldn't take cash or payment over the phone for instidentals. Again, they being Caesar's Palace. Beekeeper says this was a defcon after the mass shooting there in Vegas and was one of the worst def cons because people would come into everyone's room twice a day with or without permission. It was a whole thing. It really pissed off a lot of people. I'm not going there, says Beekeeper. With bank cards or phones that can be stolen or cloned. You get there a few days early, you walk around, you'll find once the conference starts. There are mystery ATMs that appear and disappear after the conference, as well as all kinds of beat me here doc as well as all kinds of other free that happens. There is a reason Defcon's open Wi Fi network is called the most dangerous Wi Fi in the world.

Out there, So ask for more details. Beekeeper says, basically, they kicked me out of my room and I kept breaking back in until they escorted me off the property and banned me. They being Caesar's Palace. And then Beekeeper says, I used pre paid cards and cash for deaf cod and they couldn't charge the card. They wouldn't take cash or payment over the phone for instidentals. Again, they being Caesar's Palace. Beekeeper says this was a defcon after the mass shooting there in Vegas and was one of the worst def cons because people would come into everyone's room twice a day with or without permission. It was a whole thing. It really pissed off a lot of people. I'm not going there, says Beekeeper. With bank cards or phones that can be stolen or cloned. You get there a few days early, you walk around, you'll find once the conference starts. There are mystery ATMs that appear and disappear after the conference, as well as all kinds of beat me here doc as well as all kinds of other free that happens. There is a reason Defcon's open Wi Fi network is called the most dangerous Wi Fi in the world.

Uh yeah, I would never in a million years connect to a def Con open w Are you crazy?

Uh yeah, I would never in a million years connect to a def Con open w Are you crazy?

No?

No?

Why why would you connect to any open Internet.

Why why would you connect to any open Internet.

I'll just your social Security number on the internet. Just get it, you know, just save some efforts on that.

I'll just your social Security number on the internet. Just get it, you know, just save some efforts on that.

Type list of my fears. Here's some rare genetic diseases, you know what I.

Type list of my fears. Here's some rare genetic diseases, you know what I.

Mean, stress positions that don't work well with my body.

Mean, stress positions that don't work well with my body.

Right, my opinions on boards and water. Jeez. Yeah, so this was interesting. This is more of a clarion call to anybody who has worked in the hygiene industry, anybody who is interested in sharing their experiences with our fellow conspiracy realists regarding def COT on the fence about attendin sounds like Matt's heart. No, Noel, I think maybe we can sweeten the deal.

Right, my opinions on boards and water. Jeez. Yeah, so this was interesting. This is more of a clarion call to anybody who has worked in the hygiene industry, anybody who is interested in sharing their experiences with our fellow conspiracy realists regarding def COT on the fence about attendin sounds like Matt's heart. No, Noel, I think maybe we can sweeten the deal.

I've intrigued.

I've intrigued.

I'll do it if I can leave my cell phone like in Atlanta, put.

I'll do it if I can leave my cell phone like in Atlanta, put.

In one of those black box things that Dave Chappelle uses.

In one of those black box things that Dave Chappelle uses.

You know, I don't Faraday bag, don't trust it.

You know, I don't Faraday bag, don't trust it.

Nope. Wow, I have to get a burner phone that only the three of us have access to. Right, don't you.

Nope. Wow, I have to get a burner phone that only the three of us have access to. Right, don't you.

Already have one of those?

Already have one of those?

Bro?

Bro?

Didn't you call me from one and creep me out that one? That one's done, it's already burnt.

Didn't you call me from one and creep me out that one? That one's done, it's already burnt.

That was a partnership phone, mint Mobile, get mint Mobile?

That was a partnership phone, mint Mobile, get mint Mobile?

Right?

Right?

No?

No?

Sorry, but I know seriously like that. It really does terrify me and I and I identify with this person who wrote to you, Ben, because it's just like I don't trust any of my electronics near anybody with sufficient nohow.

Sorry, but I know seriously like that. It really does terrify me and I and I identify with this person who wrote to you, Ben, because it's just like I don't trust any of my electronics near anybody with sufficient nohow.

Yeah, I've got enough imaginary friends, you know what I mean? Like, uh, no.

Yeah, I've got enough imaginary friends, you know what I mean? Like, uh, no.

New imaginary friends.

New imaginary friends.

Yeah, we're very drake about it. But but the uh uh, of course, the next logical question will be is our pal Jonathan Strickland, aka the quister of tech stuff fame, is he going to attend Defcoon with us? He described himself at it in an email as cautiously curious and definitely would need to take a burner phone. So I pitched to you guys the idea that we all go doc you're in this too, and stay at that stay somewhere by the Hoover Dam somewhere in Boulder City. Okay, get out of the heat.