From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A production of I Heart Brading. Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt. Our colleague nol is feeling under the weather, but he will be back soon. They called me Ben. We're joined as always with our super producer Paul Mission controlled decond. Most importantly, you are you, You are here, and that makes this the stuff they don't want you to know. With the help of the biggest celebrity on our show, Paul's dog Osoo, we are doing one of our favorite things in the entirety of stuff they don't want you to know, and it is sharing your stories with your fellow listeners. Uh, this is gonna be a listener mail segment that I awkwardly described to Matt and Paul as whoops, all voicemails. So we've we've got some that we we've got something that we want to spend particular attention on in our first half. We're gonna we're gonna talk about your mind and the ability to perhaps affect the passage of the clouds. We're also going to talk about a situation that is hypothetical for many people, but unfortunately was not hypothetical for a friend of ours. And we are also towards the end, we're just gonna We're gonna freestyle a little. We're gonna play as many voicemails as we can, the ones that really stuck out to us and hopefully stick out to you. Uh, without further ado, Matt, what say you? Why don't we set this this first message up by calling it a what would you do? Situation? That's right, this scenario is brought to you by l Ron, not that one. This one here. He cos, Hey, what's up? Guys? Love your show, listen to it for a long time. UM My name is We're gonna go with Leron. I had something happened to be related to your shot Spotter episode, at least a little bit. The other day. I go into a restaurant bar with some friends and while we're in there, I gonna use the restroom, walk in, go into a stall, sit down, and besides the call and like, the toilet paper holder is a loaded gun. It's kind of crazy to find something like this is a loaded nine millimeter Cinema automatic crystal. What do you do in that situation? And obviously the quick answer is, oh, we take it, we unloaded, and then we take it to somebody and turn it in a deal with that. Sure, sure, right, that's fine. But in my situation, I actually made some mistakes A long time go, had addiction issues which led to me committing a crime, not a serious one of the serious enough that I'm not allowed to have a gun anymore. What do you do in that situation? Do you grab that gun and take it to a cop? What if the gun was using the crime? And here you are a criminal quote unquote, because you are for life giving a gun to a cop. And also that interaction was a cop. It's complicated, and what if let's just say it's not me, what if it says someone else. They might be terrified to approach a cop of a loaded gun just to give it to them. So I'm only saying this and I'm only calling him because I just like you guys to think this through, like how would you handle this situation? And I thought it was an interesting scenario for me. I did give it to a cop. It was kind of complex. I had to be very careful about how I approached the situation, because obviously the same restaurant has kids, they could go and find a loaded gun. And also this comes back to the whole concealed carry issue. How do you like, how do you leave a gun in a bathroom loaded? Obviously the person was drunk and obviously that's super illegal and less again the gun was from a crime. Anyway, guys, thank you for the time. I just thought this was kind of a good thought experiment, like, how would you handle the situation? Maybe fun to talk about. Keep up the great work. I love your show. Hopefully talk soon. Right, Well, there we go. There's the scenario, walk into a restroom within a restaurant and find a gun. What do you do, Ben, what is your initial reaction to that scenario? Don't touch it, don't touch a fingerprint? Fingerprints uh would be key, etcetera. Right, do your best touch it? That's obvious. Um, I I suspect first off, you handle this uh wonderfully at a great personal risk to yourself because you you are right. And I think one of the most important things we could say is addiction is a real thing. If you were struggling with addiction, um, you know it takes a great deal of personal strength to get to the other side. So there is you know it should be immensely proud and we have immense respect for you for doing so. Um, this is not necessarily a hypothetical for me, Matt, So I'm more interested in your take before I ted talk or whatever. Oh wow, it's not a hypothetical for you, okay, all right, wow, um okay, So I'll just tell you instinctually the way I first thought about this when I listened to this message from l roun Um. My thought was, and and I don't know why, but it was to clear the gun, see if it if it has if it is in fact loaded, right, check that and then if it is load, take out the magazine, clear the chamber so that it's safe for anybody who might show up on the scene, right and safe for me, depending on who shows up on the scene and what mind state they're in. Every firearm as though it is loaded at all times. But then I thought, not everybody knows how to clear a weapon, and what if you did it improperly right, and like, there's potential for that weapon to go off any time you're handling it or touching it. And then I started thinking about the fingerprints issue and if it really was like used in the commission of a crime. But as I started going down that rabbit hole, then this just became more and more and more and more complicated to me. And it really is like, do you do you walk away from that weapon at all? Once you know there is a weapon at a scene that is in a public space, Like what like what is the radius that you allow yourself to get away from that weapon since you know it's there? And I don't think it's very I don't think you go very far away from it, or I don't think you should if you're a responsible person. Do you think right? Is it? Is it a situation where you say, well, I'm going to text someone who's with me and say come here or call them right someone sitting at the booth with you, Uh, if they're the kind of person that you can trust to keep an eye on that situation or go alert someone. Is it a situation where you open up the restroom door and try to just yell for an employee, drawing even more attention to the you know, to the free that's going down, or is it um? Is it something where you know in In some situations here, especially in the west, the southwest, UH and the southeast of the US in particular, oftentimes people will take the firearm and just take especially if they're at a bar. It happens, you're not alone. All this happened too many people. This is not my situation, but it's happened to many people, where they'll just take the take the firearm, and then take it to the bartender and say, will you put this in the lost and found You know what I mean? Who left their gun in the exactly just so yeah, and and this um so, it does become it does become complicated because you have to there are too many unknowns, too many variables. It could be something as simple as someone who said I have to you know, someone who said I have to, like I have to drop a hot mixtape, do a number two, and I want to put my firearms somewhere, and then they forgot and they left, right. People are very good at losing things. Human beings lose stuff all the time. How many people lost their like what we we've been talking for maybe maybe a couple of minutes, uh, not even ten minutes. In ten minutes, how many people in this country just left their passport somewhere, that one of the most important documents they own. You know, it's not necessarily criminal. You're right. How many times have you lost just your wallet or your keys or something just misplaced them, especially if you're busy doing something else and it's an object that you always have on you, You're just so used to it being on you. You're so used to be used to it being there. If you put it somewhere just you know, for a moment to get something done, your brain may just forget that that thing occurred. And if you're it really depends on how familiar you are with firearms and how often you carry, like let's see how often you open carry or concealed carry, because it may just become so commonplace. The way I carry my gun, I place it down when I use the restroom because it's a necessity for me to remove my gun to use the restroom where where it is right. You don't stay strapped, you don't keep it pointed at the stall doors. No one's gonna, oh gosh, no, But I see what you're saying. You're yeah, I think we're of the same mind people, can you we absolutely normalize things like a lot of folks do the check right. Um, you know, it's the thing that Catholic kids used to remember, the move where the spectacles, testicles watch whatever. Yeah, while I watched. But the one of the things, at least when I've been in these situations to remember, if you find a Rando firearm, Um, it does need to be moved, it does need to go somewhere. But and this is just one paranoid entity his opinion. Any time you are interacting with that without a witness, without a second pair of eyes, then you are potentially opening yourself up to some very uncool things. So like L. Rond you refer to you refer to this as complicated, and it is. Uh, and thank goodness, uh, the law didn't try to jam you up or something. You know, what if like what if you touch the gun? What if you touch the fim you pick it up without a glove, without any like you know, probably the closest thing you would grab his paper towels, right, something like that, some kind of paper product. Will you pick it up? Your fingerprints are on it and you realize it doesn't have a serial number, Well, it's not a good look. Even if your intentions are good. You know. Now it's now you are inherently in some way involved. You were going to lose time at the very least, you're gonna lose time because, um, because law enforcement is gonna want to know every single detail about how you found a dirty gun. Yeah. Well, and and let's say you do that, you take that action to actually touch the weapon, even if you use a paper towel, even if you had latex gloves just on you for some reason and you picked the gun up, you could still be contaminating potential evidence on that firearm if it was used in a crime. Right, So what I want to do really quickly is just give you three places where you can learn more about this and where this was kind of answered pretty succinctly for me. And the first places on a website called American Concealed, and it's an article titled what do you do if you find a gun? In this article, it notes that several people have had commented on their site that yes, I have accidentally left my firearm in a bathroom's stall, in particular because of this thing that we're describing here. You remove the weapon from your holster to use the restroom, you forget that you did that and you walk out. Um. They you know, they recommend a lot of things, and they're really speaking to an audience of people that is familiar with guns, right, So they're they're showing you, or they're describing to you the best way to do this and then to get it to perhaps a police officer or to someone who can then report it to a police officer. I probably for someone not familiar with guns, I would not recommend any really, not anything they say on that side, but I would not recommend using that site as your source. This has some baseline now prerequisites, right to know how to handle a firearms safely, to know how to discharge clear a gun. Right. Um, yeah, I see what you're saying that the I'm not surprised that some of the spaces exactly what I what I would have said. I don't know, mm hmm. I mean it is so situationally dependent. I'm I feel like if you take a photo of it, for instance, in in situ, in location, then you need to make sure that you're also immediately following on some other steps. So the l ron situation, right is different. This isn't this isn't a vacant apartment building. You know, it's not a it's not a squat house. It's not like a place where I used to hang out my graffiti days or something with crap on the wall and literal crap on the floor. This is a family restaurant. So what a pickle if you leave right? Even if you just take the time to walk to the host station or or the bar or the kitchen line, if you don't have line of sight on that door, who's to say that a nine year old might not just wander in and say, oh, best Christmas ever? Right like this? Yeah, I'm doing worst case, but I interjected, What's well, you're right, that's where where my mind goes to ben Another place you can look there is a subreddit about dumpster diving titled slash art slash dumpster diving, And on here there's a quick thread you found a gun? What now? And on here you also have some pretty good advice. Again, some of it is just like, uh, supposing that you were going to actually touch the weapon. And that's this is where I'm gonna put it kind of a stop to that. I I think, no matter what who you are, no matter how familiar you are with firearms, no matter what your criminal history is, if you've got one or any at all. I think this is the correct procedure because it comes directly from a very high ranking law enforcement officer in a part of Georgia where I've lived. Spoke with this person through email and on the phone today. I'm gonna give you exactly what I asked this person and exactly how they responded. Okay, I said, what is the correct procedure for a civilian if they find an unattended firearm in a public space? And I said, I think the obvious answer is to report the firearm to local law enforcement as quickly as possible. But how to go about it safely for both the officer and the civilian seems like it could get complicated. This person responded, The best course of action is to call nine one one from where you're From where you are so that moment you have eyes on the firearm, dial nine one one then and request an officer to be dispatched to collect the weapon. You can specify that it's not a an emergency, but there is a appears to be a live weapon and you need it to be taken right. I asked, are you if you're familiar with firearms, should you clear the weapon? Answer was no. I asked if you should refrain entirely from touching the weapon in case it was used in the commission of a crime. They said, if at all possible, do not touch the weapon. Stay nearby so no one else touches it as well. Again, that's like more an evidence collection for this thing, potential evidence collection. I asked, if the weapon is found in a place easily accessible to children, should you move the weapon to a secure location. Again, the answer here is the best course of action is not to touch the weapon, remove the children from the area if possible, and wait for law enforcement. Which seems like you know, so those are the official answers, right, Uh, they're they're not official. I wasn't allowed to give you guys like who this person was and what an organization they represent or at least they're a part of. But that is some a very high ranking person in a real law enforcement agency. UM, I don't know. I think that's probably what you should do. Or if you're not comfortable calling nine one one, if someone you know or someone with you who's comfortable, or maybe a bystander who is also there, maybe have them call to report it. I mean, I don't know about that too, because they're gonna get grilled on how they found it. You know. That's that's the thing, like what if you do if you for one reason or another, can't be can't be speaking with twelve you know, or whatever street name you want to use for law enforcement. Uh. There is something else though that I think this last point I want to make here. If you people are not stupid, for the most part, given the opportunity to really think about what's going on, people are extraordinarily intelligent. So if you find a gun just sitting on the top of a commode, sitting on the tank or something, then it's less likely that someone used it in a crime and said, you know, here's the perfect place. That T G I Fridays they have such a terrible reputation because the cheese stick controversy that there never no cops are even gonna come here. That hey, that was just the licensing thing. The frozen t G. I Friday's quote Mozzarelli stics that you can find at your local grocery store are not the ones that t G A. T G. I. Friday's makes in their restaurants. They got to you. I can't believe it. Of all the organizations, that's the one that compromised our show. I knew it, not with a bang, but with a whimper. Anyway, now the well t s Eliott there, but the following on that, the natural responses and look for We have people listening who have had to live on the streets before for one reason or another, right, and there's no judgment there. But you know that if you find a firearm, a serviceable usable firearm in a place like a sewer or like a dumpster or some other place where the normal person, the normal sieve is not supposed to be look gain, then that's probably hot. Not saying it as bodies on it, but it may have been. The odds are higher than zero that it was that it was used in in something you know, um, so please please just just be safe and know that there are a lot of people who accidentally find themselves embroiled in events, perhaps unfairly because they were not thinking through the implications. So I want again thank Lron's here for for being fully aware, for doing the right thing, for thinking through it, and uh with without having more details, you know your mileage may vary, but as long as you can essentially establish a chain of command there a chain of an evidentiary chain right, a chain of um owners ship and custody, then you will hopefully be okay, even if it's something as simple as telling the restaurant tour restaurants staff, you know, I found this firearm, don't fire it in the middle of the lobby and say who left this in the sh I love that phrase. Um, you can you can tell them. Look, I don't want to be involved. Here's the thing, I found it. But when you say that, you have to know that if pushed, the restaurant staff is going to give every detail they have about you as well. It's a real pickle, and it's a great question, you know, Matt. I'd love to hear other people's responses, because I know that we're not the only folks who have found themselves in a non hypothetical version of this absolutely right to us conspiracy at I Heart radio dot com also called one three three std w y t K. Thank you again. L Ron will be right back with more listener mail, and we have returned thanks to a sponsorship from our pal Kate Bush. No I'm kidding. This is gonna be something different. This is a lovely message we received from our pal Grady and Matt. You actually, uh, this one really spoke to me. You spoke with Grady directly. So let's let's go ahead and play this lovely little message and then let's dive in. Hey, guys, um, I've called a couple of times, but I wanted to discuss something interesting that I've been practicing and that I have also encouraged my friends to practice. And we have all had success in this, which to me and I'll get into this, but it speaks to the true potential that humans have within them. And I don't know if you guys have discussed this topic before, but it's a practice called cloud busting. And I practiced at this for a while, you know, I couldn't find my process, and then once I did, I realized that I could bust. I could make any cloud of my choosing disappear, white, puffy, gigantic clouds disappear. So I call one of my best friends. I tell him about my success with this, and he has an open mind, but he's like, I gotta try this for myself. Sure enough, I get a call that night saying, me and my girlfriend went outside in the clouds recovering in the moon, and I looked at her and told her, we're going to bring the moon out. So my best one of my best friends, and his girlfriend held hands and keep in mind, the clouds were covering the entire sky and they were able to dissipate the this gigantic cloud and bring the moon out. In short, I know I'm coming to my time limit here. I would like you to do some maybe do some research into this and just share it with people, because any person can do this by focusing their intention on a certain cloud, finding their process, which can be different for certain people. But it just shows the incredible power that we have as human beings that we don't that not everybody realizes in each and every one of them. So that's all, guys. I just thought it was a really cool thing that maybe you know, bring up on one of your shows one of these days. But love what you guys do. Amazing stuff. Um, I love you guys. Take good care of yourselves. Um loving the book too, Okay, take care boom, thank you Grady? What ticking all the boxes on on a good voicemail? I don't have to you don't have to say you love this show. That will not influence our choice on what what we're fortunate enough to air. But um, greedy, greedy, your message really struck a chord with me. I suspect with you as well, Matt, because we have done a lot of episodes on or We've done a significant amount of episodes both in the video and audio realm on the idea of cloud bursting or cloud busting and matt initial reaction and first I've got to get it from you man that people want to hear it. Did you try this as a kid, Yeah, but see it was a vape term back then, like busting some clouds, you know. No, I'm just I did try this. It was more it was never about bursting the clouds or anything when I was a kid. It was just more watching the clouds change and evolved, as you know, into different shapes and animals and things, right as they kind of change shape, because clouds do change shape as they travel and grow and dissipate. Uh. I remember learning about this for the first time when we were covering Oregon energy and and attempts to actually create physical structures that would house a particular type of energy that could then be aimed and used to do this same process. But I didn't know you could basically, I guess, meditate in a way or just focus intention to do the same thing. Yeah, the idea of su bring him some excellent stuff here, man. So the idea of busting a cloud with the power of one's mind, right, it's a It exists in a roughly similar school of thought to the belief in rainmakers, the idea that if one concentrates with the right techniques, one can generate storms, right, generate moisture and uh, this is a huge part of um North American folklore and discourse and existed way before Europeans wherever on the scene. You know what I mean. The oh gosh, there's a couple of things to unpack here. So Wilhelm Reich, you know him, you'll love him. B B See once called him the man who thought orgasms could save the world, which you'll have to check out our episodes to get what we're talking about. But it's about it's all about that orgon energy. Maybe, um he saw he was a doctor and a psychoanalyst right active all the way up to ninete when he died and He believed that he had found a universal energy that could be focused, that could be channeled to create any number of observable physical effects, and he had a lot of followers. One of the things like I read about this guy, it was different in a different life before I ever thought I would be doing podcast stuff on air. And the thing that got always stood out to me about the story and to you as well, I imagine, is that upon his death he was entangled with the FBI, have been arrested by the FBI. A lot of his work was destroyed, right, He was profiled UM because they accused him of being a communist, a subversive, all this stuff. He was once listed as a key figure on the Enemy Alien Control Unit. So whatever he's doing, for one reason or another, Uncle Sam did surveil him, and that lent a lot of accidental credibility to his theories, which remained controversial and widely rejected by academia today. However, there still is UM. There's still is an active group of UM. There's an active institution, the right institute, I believe. So anyhow, he built this machine that you were talking about, and if you look at the machine, the first thing I think we should say is keep an open mind, you know, keep open the entire topic. The first thing you have to do is keep it keep just keep that, keep the barn doors of consciousness open. Uh, send the critical thinking out on a field trip for a little bit and just play what if? So, Matt, you've seen pictures of the Reich cloud Buster. He designed a thing that he said could produce rain by manipulating this orgone energy which he felt was ambient already in the atmosphere and in every human being, similar to almost similar to Mediclarean's honestly for Star Star Wars fans. But how would you describe this cloud buster? Well? Which one do you mean? I know the one that I've seen from the video series we made on this. It looks like a series of tubes almost that are pointed, almost turret like or anti aircraft gun like to me, which sense, and it appears to aim. That's what like focuses and aims the organ energy. What I don't understand is are the bits that it's actually attached to, because if I'm recalling correctly, it had something to do with crystals to actually store the energy. Is that wrong, right? Metal fillings, crystals, and then a series of flexible metal hoses, right uh. And the ideas you aim it at some point in the sky. The anti aircraft comparison is really apt. Uh. You aim at at some point in the sky, and it's weirdly calls it a cloud buster because his goal is to generate clouds to become a rainmaker. Right um. The idea of dispersing clouds with the power of one's mind. For Reich, that would be a different um. That would be a kind of different application of Oregon energy. UM to others. If you're just loosely defining this in the pantheon of uh psychic powers, this would be a form of telekinesis, right, atmospheric level telekinesis. And if you do, you can try this at home. You will not be harmed, you know, use common sense. But if you are lucky enough to live in a place that has moderately good weather and uh Dixie chicks wide open space somewhere nearby, find a nice day, a day when there are cumulus clouds. Cumulus clouds are the ones that look kind of flat on the bottom and got that big cotton candy puff. You know, they sail like bricotine like ships across the sky. Go there and stare, pick one, stare you can. This is a great meditative exercise. You can picture what it looks like. Because humans are great pattern recognizers. You can and concentrate on your mind dispersing it and if you concentrate long enough, the cloud will move and disperse. The question is correlation or causation? You know what I mean? Um, they're like, there's a great there's an article by Jesse Ferrell over at a place called acuweather dot com who raises the point of um observation here, and the point of observation is is this I guess the best way to do it. We talked about this with U a p Right, most people, most people cannot identify a specific craft in the air. Right. You can see something and you can say that's a plane. And if someone says, oh cool, what generation and what type and who made it? You will just say, you know, it's it's relatively rare. Um And even experience pilots, even experienced aerospace engineers, might have a tough time seen discerning a specific type of plane from the ground. A better example would be have you ever seen have you ever stood next to a traffic light when it's on the ground, when you're not looking at it from your car. Wait, so the red, yellow, and green ones just yeah, they're bigger than you think because you're used to seeing them further away. Right, I would also pose it, and I've certainly done this. Uh many people I suspect spend time focusing on a red light and turning a green, you know, with the power of my mind. Uh, how many times I've done that with like a soda can or something where I just stare at it way too long. I still do it. I used to I and I feel like that's a beautiful thing. I will walk into a place as automatic doors and I like to wave my hand like magneto, you know what I mean, Jane Gray and uh and this is not look, this is not dismissive of this. I want to get the actu weather thing first, and then let's um, let's unpack a little bit more because there is more to the story, right. Uh. So, first, our pal Jesse Farrell over at accu weather explains the cloud busting phenomenon this way. Again, We've established if you go out there and you look, you observe a cloud long enough, you will see it move, you will see it disperse. Jesse Farrell and other meteorologists say this is because the atmosphere up there is it simply looks more stable than it actually is from our vantage point, the same way that a traffic light looks smaller than it is, right the same way it's tough to tell the exact model of a plane. So the atmosphere up there is very windy, it's chaotic, and these puffy, beautiful cumulus clouds are temporary. You when you're looking at a clear sky, what you're not seeing is the swirls of temperature, right, the battling differentials of humidity, injury interacting with each other. And Ferrell describes these clouds like a leaf on a stream or their bubbles in a stream, because they're so fragile, so they don't last super long. The clouds that last the longest, the ones you really want to try to bust up if you're deploying atmospheric telekinesis, would be things like thunderstorms. They've just got they've got more stuff going on, you know what I mean. They're more interesting characters if you're writing for the sky well, or if you're in the US you know, the western side of the US. You want to make those like as many as possibly or what if? Okay, serious clouds I love. I love studying clouds. A serious clouds are the whispy guys, you know, the little smearie looking guys, and they are much higher in the atmosphere because they have less content. Really, you know, the more water you get, the lower you get, right, uh, And so those are those are gonna last longer. They might seem harder to bust with your mind. But with with all this um in mind, I have to ask, uh not, does that explanation from from meteorologists does that satisfy what you're thinking? Like, because essentially what they're saying is, since the atmosphere is dynamic and it's always moving and all things are ephemeral, you're going to stare at a cloud until it goes away, And it might be easy to think that you created that. Yes, I wholeheartedly agree with that scientifically, because the scientific process would take place of that dissipation um if you gave it the time. I would say that it's not quite what Grady is saying. So let's get into Grady's process right after a quick word from our sponsor and we're back. Let's jump into that cloud busting process from Grady. Grady says, um, well, I did ask him if he needed orgon and he said, I mean who doesn't for extra points? That's a quote. Um. So then I just asked about the process and Grady said, um, you just focus your intent on a puffy cloud that wouldn't dissipate quickly. So he's already taking to account that the cloud is going to dissipate at some point, but he's saying target one that at least to your understanding or the way you're judging that cloud, it's not going to quickly dissipate. Observable, He says, be sure to be busting a cloud that won't fake you out, because he'sn't. He again saying it may fake you out in that it will just dissipate, and you'd think, oh, I did that, okay. He says he tried for the longest time, just using his intention at first, and that just in his mind that was just you know, staring at a cloud and in his mind thinking that cloud will no longer be there, right, this cloud will dissipate. He got really frustrated because it wasn't working. He got really really frustrated, but he didn't stop, he didn't give up. He was able to find a process. He says that kind of sounds goofy when you hear it, but it's it's worked for him numerous times. Ben, Do you want to describe what he says? Yeah? So Grady says, you take a deep belly breath deep, take your time, and you blow at the cloud while saying the word goodbye in your head, having that is your mantra goodbye, and then soften your gaze around the cloud, similar to like looking like at the old magic eye posters. I almost think, uh, and soften your gaze around the cloud. And he says, this is almost like I was able to trick my psychic muscle into making the clouds start to dissipate. And then he has some more detail about this something else that happened the first time you tried it? Oh yeah, he said, it's it's really weird been because it feels like it matches up with what's his name dude who does the close encounters of the fifth kind um guy we talked to on the show while ago, Stephen Stephen Greer, who uses meditation and intention to summon UFO encounters. It kind of reminds me of that because Grady said he saw an orb flying over him that first day when he was able to successfully bust a cloud. Just sounds so dirty, but it's not. It's just you're making a cloud dissipate. I don't know why busting a cloud sounds dirty to me. I think it's busting just busting in. Generally, you could say busting anything. You know, I'm about to bust the Florida over here. It still sounds weird. Sorry, I feel like I've been twelve years old on these episodes lately. All right, here we go. But Grady does say that the process may be different for everyone. That's just what's worked for him. He did get his friend, is one of his best friends, to try it with that person's girlfriend, and they did seem to be able to use that same process and make it happen. Grady's advice to all of us is, if this particular process isn't working for you, that he's the Grady is outlined here, just to try experimenting with it, right, which which lines up with the idea of intention. You know, this reminds me of when we when we spoke with our good pal Cody. Uh. They are practitioner of chaos magic, and they said, as some beautiful things to say about the idea of magic, which on this show we consider weaponized psychology. They said, it's really the intention one lends to a thing, the importance one attributes to it in one's mind. Uh. And you know, I think, Matt and Grady and all the rest of us, I think one of the best ways to approach stuff like this is to think through how we could best create parameters for reproducible experiment. And I love that you're doing this, Grady by by going to someone else and saying, hey, you try it right, let me case test, let me see what else happens here. So, for instance, I need your help with this map. For instance, if we are if we're building an observable, reproducible experiment to see whether the human mind can dissipate clouds in the atmosphere, then we would need as many things as possible to be the same except for the people. Right. So ideally we'd want well, we want the same couple of different locations, right. Um, in case there was something wonky and unique to one location. We want a couple of different locations where we know there are there's a reliable population of clouds. We would want to know observable the time that they form and dissipate, like what that time span is. We'd want some real time monitoring atmospheric conditions, right, I am. We're fun at parties, folks, we promise, And then we would want um and we'd want different people, right, And it's very difficult to control for psychology, But I think maybe the big thing is we want to set up an experiment that gives us the timeline the lifespan of ah cumulo nimbus cloud or a cumulus cloud, and then we would want to see if observation interferes with that timeline. Or we could do another thing where you take a place that always has gray clouds and see if someone can think a hole through it. Right, a very specifical like, hey, we're going to bring the moon out kind of thing and see if multiple people can do that or one person could do it multiple times, or or is observation of the clouds quote unquote natural lifespan? Is that like when you try to see if light is a particle or a wave is the near fact of applying human consciousness to it already exchange like, you know, messing up the experiment? Okay, what happens if you focus on the wrong cloud and instead it's a gene jacket? Huh? Remember that lear that movie? Nope, anyone, what a great film? Don't don't don't focus your intention on one of those things we have learned. Thanks, Peel. What what I mean? You know? And and should we be busting clouds? What have they done? You know what I mean? But I think I think we've got the lines that we could do right, Like these are things we could do or someone could do, uh to to really explore this experiment. And I just I know Matt, I know both of us. Both of us don't really enjoy it when folks dismiss something out of hands. So that's why we're careful to say, Okay, how could we get our heads around this question right? How could we see this experiment in action? What? What are the current um accepted scientific explanations? What else is out there? That's the exciting stuff? And I want I want to hear more people, uh more people's cloud busting stories or if there is anybody who is a practicing dowser or a rainmaker or something like that that would be amazing to hear. Um, we did a dowsing episode, didn't we year's back. I think we brought up dowsing on the video. Maybe maybe maybe we do it in a yeah, okay, no, no, we've given ourselves some homework. Uh and thank you great. I think I think now we Uh, maybe we wrap up the episode by delivering on our promise. We wanted to play some more voicemails. Uh, and we may not be able to dive super deep into all of them, but uh, folks, credit where it's due. Credit is very important to me. Our own Matt Frederick, one and only Mr Matt Frederick has been a beast on these voicemails. And Matt, you found, uh, you found some very interesting stories. Oh. Yes, this message comes to us from I think she calls herself oswoman. I think that's what I'm hearing. It's sometimes a little difficult to understand like the code name of someone when I'm going through these. I believe that's what her name is. And she's responding to a listener mail message that we got from Tone, who was discussing this weird modem noise or the tone, that's what we called him, Tone, and she just has some interesting insight. Let's say on a similar situation. Hi, guys, this is ODS woman in Idaho. I have a message for Tone. Okay, Um, I too heard something weird on my wireless late one night. I was not on my PlayStation infects on my computer when something my computer got hacked. That's almost impossible because I'm a Microsoft engineer with a high level of security clearance, so I keep all of my products at top top, top, VPN top everything. Finally, my computer is going off and I it's not only my computer, it's my phone, it's a couple other things. Well, I called century Link immediately and they traced it. They traced the IP address and we found it was a guy living in my neighborhood, I will say my town, who had brought home a little black box from a three letter affiliation UM and he was playing with it, UM seeing if he could hack into things do things like this. And this was right near when those oil platforms got hacked. Then some other things got hacked. Well, apparently this little black box that's just what I'm gonna call it, was used in a lot of hacking situations overseas, and this guy thought it would be real cute to bring it home from work. Um, my advice to tone is getting upan get a really good one, gegnored, get something, get somebody on the phone. If you begin, call your company, call immediately, customer service, get some help. Because I didn't like it, I let this guy's supervisor know that I had a secret of better Clarency, that I was pissed. I was kicked. And so my advice is, somebody is missing around, somebody's trying to see what you're doing. Somebody's yeah, they're there, there's trying, They're trying to get in. So, uh, my advice is, don't mess with this, get a VPN and if you ever hear it again, call your provider and tell them that you have been hated in a major serious way, and then they need to get some people out to help you. So this is this is massive. This is someone with experience, who is who was speaking about the stuff at full disclosure. Uh. Several VPN services have sponsored this show in the past, including Nord VPN. UM. I do think Nord is. I do think nord is pretty solid. Um. But also but Also, I think this is great advice in general, you know, especially if you were listening, if you're listening to our show in a part of the world where, um, the current regimes may be more oppressive, maybe more. I saw iron on you and you already have a VPN. If you're lucky enough to live in a democratic society or one that purports to be one, then you should probably still have a VPN. And Matt, I know that's something you and I are lock stup about. Oh yeah, Ben, totally vp N all the way, all day, every country. Just be in every country at all times. Yeah, yeah, this is the I wish I could have a VPN for where I'm physically at walking around like analog. You know, who's that at the publix? Some guy from Switzerland. Uh that's a terrible joke. But uh but yeah, we want to air this response. I think we have time for what do you think? Maybe one or two more? Sure, And for our last voicemail, let's jump to a message we received from Sergeant Williams, who I spoke to as well. Sergeant Williams is an awesome human being. Let us hear this message. Sergeant Williams here again. Um, I'm not trying to bug you guys. I'm kind of kind of utilize you guys as my like private research group. But like, um, here's here's the thing. So at the end of World War Two with Project paper Clip and all that stuff, don't worry, I'm not like a conspiracy I'm not like trying to do conspiracy. But I think about this for a second. So at that time, the United States was against the Nazis, right, and then all of a sudden we got a bunch of Nazis. We brought them into the space program, we bought them into high level positions like um our intelligence agencies. We based it on the Nazi intelligence agencies. Actually we listened to their top agent right to learn about that. So and then that's when all those experiments started, the LSD, the the you know, Tuskegee experiments, all that crap that occurred. That happened after they came over and we put them in charge. And I'm thinking, dude, the Nazis didn't really lose, they just can't kind of came over and transitioned into the United States. So if you guys could look into that and figure it out, that'd be cool. That's all. I know it's weird, but anyway, I love the show, loved the book. I bought two copies. I mean I bought the book and then I bought the audio book. But um, anyway, I love you guys. Man, all right, take it easy. Oh man, Oh, this is not okay. I don't know. I don't know if Mission Control is going to let that fly. While we were playing that message, Matt, there's a part where where where Sarger you were saying, you know, I'm not a conspiracy guy or anything, you know, I was like, I am, because you're absolutely right. One thing a lot of people in this country, in the United States rather are not aware of is that the powers that be in the US in the lead up to World War Two, many of them were huge fan ends of Nazi ideals. Nazis learned a lot about eugenics from stuff grown on American shores, from horrific experiments and policies in the United States, and the idea that the US modeled UH some modern iterations of intelligence, both in methods and an organization from UH scientists that they had scooped away or from officials they had scooped away. Makes sense to me honestly, because God knows, the rocket technology was modeled in a similar iteration, right, applying a similar process. Now, the thing is um. For some of the stuff from the Access Powers, like the horrors of Unit seven thirty one in Japan or something. The science they were doing had some value, but it is actually really bad science. It didn't hold up to a lot of rigors. Right. But the idea of organizational innovation, right, the idea of creating cells of networks and stuff. Um, you see tactics that work applied across countries, across cultures, across time, like assassination, you know, or like French fries. There's not one restaurant that owns French fries. They just know French fries work for their intended purpose. And I know that's a really messed up comparison. I'm sorry, but I mean, I'm just this one. This one speaks to me because you know that I and some like minded dare I say co conspirators are working on a story coming out January February. I can't remember about um about this period of time, the interwar years in the United States. It's a story that doesn't often get told to the detriment of the West, and I would argue the world. But but what it does, can we say it will be it will be a name. We can say it later. But yeah, yeah, but hopefully people will enjoy it. Worked hard on it UM. But this this brings me to um. I'm talking so much man like when you hear Sergeant Williams say, um, essentially, why aren't more people talking about what? What the US? What Uncle Sam in particular garnered from that regime in Germany? What's your initial reaction? My fascination goes directly to the intelligence aspect of it UM, simply because I was fully aware after our research into the aerospace field here in the United States and the forming of basically all a lot of our technology, all of our technology, you know, going to thinking about Huntsville, Alabama and Wornever on Brown and all of that. Uh, I knew that. I understood that. I think a lot of people widely understand that the intelligence goal inside I'm not aware of and I can't even confirm right now from you know, any research of my own. So I want to look into that further for sure. Yeah, I'm gonna. I'm I think we can both rank it as if not proven, we can rank it as plausible sadly again, because methods that work will be applied in other in other fields, right where wherever they can grant an edge or an insight. And we know that in the world of intelligence, Like don't let the movies fool you, folks, the idea of sleeper agents, especially in an age of surveillance, they're an endangered species. It's pretty tough to pull off. It's pretty easy for them to get burned. Um, and there's not a way to welcome back now, not realistically, but the idea of taking tried and true methods and applying them in intelligences um, more about listening. Right, So if you can get access to people who are on the inside and say, hey, this is how we did stuff right, this is how our kitchen worked, then you would be um, you would only be competent in applying those methods to your own kitchen, your own restaurants. So a convection of it, isn't that the same thing? Oh this is your miss plus okay, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, all right, oh little su Vi, let's try that. Um. And it doesn't even have to be necessarily a kitchen analogy. Think of it in the world of manufacturing, right, that's why people, that's why people hire folks from different companies. You know, Oh, this is how you handle uh, this how you handle axles and struts, right, or this is your eco boost technology, whatever proprietary name you put on it. Let me learn more, right, take me into your factory and I'll use those lessons in my own. So this, unfortunately does make sense. And for anyone who notes how unethical that is, right, how you you are quite possibly giving a pass to war criminals, which did happen. The US absolutely did that, so did South American countries. If you When we think of that, we have to also think of the opposite. What if they didn't take that opportunity to collect that intelligence, to take those lessons learned and improve their methods. It's very dark, very dangerous stuff, but it's a great question. So Matt, I say that it's time for us to call it a day and dig in. I think we've got some homework. Man, We've got uh you know this this week, just in strange news and listener mail, we ran into some things that are amazing rabbit holes. We're gonna cloud bust all the pistols in public bathrooms while investigating the our neighbors little black boxes. Yes, yes, not uh, And we're going to do that all with the help of a U, some friends at a at a little building in Atlanta that we cannot call the Chinese police station. And uh, we're doing it all to stop a another coup in Germany, et cetera. So that's our show. Thank you, as always so much for tuning in. This has been our whoops all voicemails listeners segment, listener mail segment. We're going to have more on the way, keep them coming. We cannot wait to hear from you. Thin Acebook, YouTube, Instagram, all the hits, all the hits, and if you don't sip the social needs, if you want to talk to us directly, maybe get a call from Matt, maybe maybe even me and maybe I'll maybe I'll cross that rubicon. 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