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Welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my name is Noel.

Welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my name is Noel.

They called me Ben. We are joined as always with our super producer Dylan the Tennessee pal Fagan. Most importantly, you are you. You are here that makes this the stuff they don't want you to know. Welcome to our weekly listener mail segment where we get to hear directly from you. If you're hearing this the evening it comes out. Also, Welcome to November fourteenth. Thanksgiving. Kind of a big deal here in the US is on the way, and we wish everybody hearing this the just the absolute best when you have to hang out with your family members and your loved ones as you go toward that big dinner.

They called me Ben. We are joined as always with our super producer Dylan the Tennessee pal Fagan. Most importantly, you are you. You are here that makes this the stuff they don't want you to know. Welcome to our weekly listener mail segment where we get to hear directly from you. If you're hearing this the evening it comes out. Also, Welcome to November fourteenth. Thanksgiving. Kind of a big deal here in the US is on the way, and we wish everybody hearing this the just the absolute best when you have to hang out with your family members and your loved ones as you go toward that big dinner.

And especially you know, given divisive times, we know it can be difficult if people give Thanksgiving maybe differ in opinions or politics. So I would posit that maybe just leave politics at home for the Thanksgiving holidays, if at all possible. It'll probably be good for your mental health.

And especially you know, given divisive times, we know it can be difficult if people give Thanksgiving maybe differ in opinions or politics. So I would posit that maybe just leave politics at home for the Thanksgiving holidays, if at all possible. It'll probably be good for your mental health.

I will add, Yeah, that's the point one to get to. We can always feel that we are in a situation where you have to hang out with people you don't see them all that often. They've got a big info download on stuff that's been going on with them. They want to hear from you, So make sure there's some give and takee be curious. As Ted Lasso said, ask them about themselves, you know what I mean. That is the key to a good conversation. We also have an episode from back in the day about how to talk with your relatives over the holidays.

I will add, Yeah, that's the point one to get to. We can always feel that we are in a situation where you have to hang out with people you don't see them all that often. They've got a big info download on stuff that's been going on with them. They want to hear from you, So make sure there's some give and takee be curious. As Ted Lasso said, ask them about themselves, you know what I mean. That is the key to a good conversation. We also have an episode from back in the day about how to talk with your relatives over the holidays.

We sure do. I completely forgot about that one. That is a good resource. I haven't listened to it in a minute, but I'm sure we were very smart with all the things we said.

We sure do. I completely forgot about that one. That is a good resource. I haven't listened to it in a minute, but I'm sure we were very smart with all the things we said.

We definitely had our hearts in the right place, and so do all our fellow conspiracy realists. We're gonna hear from Wonko the saying, following up on a conversation we had over a number of years, but in previous Strange News segment as well. We're gonna hear from multiple platforms. We'll see how many letters from home we get to. There were a lot. But before we do any of that, we want to return to you yet again with a follow up on our episode regarding abuse in the Amish community.

We definitely had our hearts in the right place, and so do all our fellow conspiracy realists. We're gonna hear from Wonko the saying, following up on a conversation we had over a number of years, but in previous Strange News segment as well. We're gonna hear from multiple platforms. We'll see how many letters from home we get to. There were a lot. But before we do any of that, we want to return to you yet again with a follow up on our episode regarding abuse in the Amish community.

Yeah, we sure do, and we will get to that letter after a quick brief word from our sponsor, and we've returned and Ben, you're absolutely right. We had a pretty big outpouring of response to the episode on abuse in the Amish community. A lot of them from folks that live in and around parts of the country where there are significant, you know, Amish populations. And that is the case from Don Vee, who wrote into us with a very respectful and kind maybe a clarification, not even a correction. I'll just get right to it, gentlemen. I just got done listening to your episode on the horrific crimes within the Amish community, and I wanted to thank you on a fantastic job covering a little known and quite taboo subject. Thank you very much. I am a builder and welder out here in northeast slash Central Pennsylvania, and while I myself am not Amish, there are numerous intersecting communities surrounding me, and I deal with them several times a week. I get my lumber from an Amish sawmill. I buy my welding gas from an Amish supplier. The steelyard I go to is Amish owned and run. You get the idea. The one thing that I think you got slightly wrong is a little quip stuck in a line towards the beginning of the show where it was mentioned that they eschee the trappings of the outside world, including money, and that's where you're a bit off, and I don't, don Vie. I don't recall exactly who said that, sounds like something I might have said, but really really appreciate the perspective here. So don Vi goes on. The Amish not only don't regard money as evil, they are some of the most hardcore capitalists down to their marrow. Many of them will do just about anything for money. The vast majority of puppy mills being run in Pennsylvania are Amish, including ones that have been busted for breeding and grooming dogs used in dogfighting rings. There is more than one account of Amish barns going up in flames because of an exploding meth lab within. We did talk on the episode about meth production within the Amish community. A little bit near the end. What most people would be surprised to learn is the vast majority of Amish men retire millionaires. They buy up enormous swaths of land, including almost entire towns, where they then move others and from other far away communities so they can vote and install local politicians of their choosing before moving on to another town to do the same. They are extremely shrewd businessmen who hold a shocking amount of wealth, health, and political juice in rural areas. Hope this clears up a few misconceptions about this often misunderstood community. I do have some hilarious stories of cultural divides in my years of dealing with these folks. Should you ever get bored and want a good laugh, take care, guys, thanks for being realists. Don v as very sweet and incredibly informative. I did not know about any of that stuff, and that is the kind of thing that really would be hard to know. And this is kind of probably some of the stuff they don't want you to know unless you are like Don and doing actual business with them or living in and around those communities.

Yeah, we sure do, and we will get to that letter after a quick brief word from our sponsor, and we've returned and Ben, you're absolutely right. We had a pretty big outpouring of response to the episode on abuse in the Amish community. A lot of them from folks that live in and around parts of the country where there are significant, you know, Amish populations. And that is the case from Don Vee, who wrote into us with a very respectful and kind maybe a clarification, not even a correction. I'll just get right to it, gentlemen. I just got done listening to your episode on the horrific crimes within the Amish community, and I wanted to thank you on a fantastic job covering a little known and quite taboo subject. Thank you very much. I am a builder and welder out here in northeast slash Central Pennsylvania, and while I myself am not Amish, there are numerous intersecting communities surrounding me, and I deal with them several times a week. I get my lumber from an Amish sawmill. I buy my welding gas from an Amish supplier. The steelyard I go to is Amish owned and run. You get the idea. The one thing that I think you got slightly wrong is a little quip stuck in a line towards the beginning of the show where it was mentioned that they eschee the trappings of the outside world, including money, and that's where you're a bit off, and I don't, don Vie. I don't recall exactly who said that, sounds like something I might have said, but really really appreciate the perspective here. So don Vi goes on. The Amish not only don't regard money as evil, they are some of the most hardcore capitalists down to their marrow. Many of them will do just about anything for money. The vast majority of puppy mills being run in Pennsylvania are Amish, including ones that have been busted for breeding and grooming dogs used in dogfighting rings. There is more than one account of Amish barns going up in flames because of an exploding meth lab within. We did talk on the episode about meth production within the Amish community. A little bit near the end. What most people would be surprised to learn is the vast majority of Amish men retire millionaires. They buy up enormous swaths of land, including almost entire towns, where they then move others and from other far away communities so they can vote and install local politicians of their choosing before moving on to another town to do the same. They are extremely shrewd businessmen who hold a shocking amount of wealth, health, and political juice in rural areas. Hope this clears up a few misconceptions about this often misunderstood community. I do have some hilarious stories of cultural divides in my years of dealing with these folks. Should you ever get bored and want a good laugh, take care, guys, thanks for being realists. Don v as very sweet and incredibly informative. I did not know about any of that stuff, and that is the kind of thing that really would be hard to know. And this is kind of probably some of the stuff they don't want you to know unless you are like Don and doing actual business with them or living in and around those communities.

And Don, thank you for taking the time to first check out our show, and thank you for writing in with firsthand experience, which we always love. We also want to give a shout out to some other folks, including the Brockness Monster who wrote in regarding the puppy mill phenomena that you pointed out there. Don It is fascinating because we're looking at the interaction between a in group and a out group. The plane or the English or however the non Amish may be referred to, still do business. They still live in a larger community. You know, you can buy Amish furniture online. A lot of people in Amish communities do have checking accounts, right, do have credit cards, do use US currency here in the United States to interact with the secular world. So it makes sense, no sense, it makes dollars and sense. We should say that there will be people in those communities who are able to reach financial success.

And Don, thank you for taking the time to first check out our show, and thank you for writing in with firsthand experience, which we always love. We also want to give a shout out to some other folks, including the Brockness Monster who wrote in regarding the puppy mill phenomena that you pointed out there. Don It is fascinating because we're looking at the interaction between a in group and a out group. The plane or the English or however the non Amish may be referred to, still do business. They still live in a larger community. You know, you can buy Amish furniture online. A lot of people in Amish communities do have checking accounts, right, do have credit cards, do use US currency here in the United States to interact with the secular world. So it makes sense, no sense, it makes dollars and sense. We should say that there will be people in those communities who are able to reach financial success.

Think about how much money the average person, let's say middle Yes, I know, I buy.

Think about how much money the average person, let's say middle Yes, I know, I buy.

All the time.

All the time.

I am super bullish, make.

I am super bullish, make.

Their own cowpoop from all the cap and with you immediately, Matt, please, I'm so sorry to interrupt. You's got excited.

Their own cowpoop from all the cap and with you immediately, Matt, please, I'm so sorry to interrupt. You's got excited.

No, no, I just I just think about recurring expenses that you know now there are companies making millions and millions of dollars and all they do is point out your recurring payments on your credit card that you forgot about, you know, like reread ads for companies that do that, and just you know, I think about the stuff that's in my house right now, that's all Like my hobbies are something to do with electronics or gaming or movies, and it's just it added up. Yeah, if you if I personally could eliminate that stuff from my life, yeah, my goodness, I would be a much wealthier man.

No, no, I just I just think about recurring expenses that you know now there are companies making millions and millions of dollars and all they do is point out your recurring payments on your credit card that you forgot about, you know, like reread ads for companies that do that, and just you know, I think about the stuff that's in my house right now, that's all Like my hobbies are something to do with electronics or gaming or movies, and it's just it added up. Yeah, if you if I personally could eliminate that stuff from my life, yeah, my goodness, I would be a much wealthier man.

I see what you're saying. We also that brings up a related point, which is that oftentimes people spend their income or their largess on uh on status symbols right within their community. And so the status symbols perhaps the folks in the Amish community may differ from those in the surrounding set secular communities. Like if you're not going to suffer the death of a thousand streaming cuts out of your income every month, where does your money go? Look, just because someone has a different socio religious ideology or lens through which they interact with the world, that never makes them stupid. That just means they have different priorities from you know, someone else. So there's nothing stopping people from investing in property. Right to your point, don to maybe farm implements horses, both of which can be very expensive and very lucrative and very lucrative. That's a great point now, and maybe even depending on because these communities are not monolithic, right, some are more permissive in how the secular community interacts. So maybe there are some folks who made made a bank off stocks and mutual funds.

I see what you're saying. We also that brings up a related point, which is that oftentimes people spend their income or their largess on uh on status symbols right within their community. And so the status symbols perhaps the folks in the Amish community may differ from those in the surrounding set secular communities. Like if you're not going to suffer the death of a thousand streaming cuts out of your income every month, where does your money go? Look, just because someone has a different socio religious ideology or lens through which they interact with the world, that never makes them stupid. That just means they have different priorities from you know, someone else. So there's nothing stopping people from investing in property. Right to your point, don to maybe farm implements horses, both of which can be very expensive and very lucrative and very lucrative. That's a great point now, and maybe even depending on because these communities are not monolithic, right, some are more permissive in how the secular community interacts. So maybe there are some folks who made made a bank off stocks and mutual funds.

Sure, but they're likely You're not going to see anybody rolling around in a maserati in an imp community maybe.

Sure, but they're likely You're not going to see anybody rolling around in a maserati in an imp community maybe.

Whatever, like the Maserati version of a horse.

Whatever, like the Maserati version of a horse.

The horse, Yeah, but that would just be for function, just to have one that would last a long time, you know, to have one that was well built. You'd be investing in the right things. And I think there's some lessons we could learn from the homage to your point, Matt, about how to like live a little more frugally and ultimately, you know, be more fruitful in the long term.

The horse, Yeah, but that would just be for function, just to have one that would last a long time, you know, to have one that was well built. You'd be investing in the right things. And I think there's some lessons we could learn from the homage to your point, Matt, about how to like live a little more frugally and ultimately, you know, be more fruitful in the long term.

I'm seeing two things here, guys. The first one is that if my hobbies weren't going around getting souls in a dark soul's game or whatever, and I'm you know, and playing drums and all that these other things that are more entertainment.

I'm seeing two things here, guys. The first one is that if my hobbies weren't going around getting souls in a dark soul's game or whatever, and I'm you know, and playing drums and all that these other things that are more entertainment.

Hobbies for me.

Hobbies for me.

I could see and if I didn't leave my like local area very often, I could totally see myself getting into like, well, there is some land over there, and I could save enough money for that, and I wonder if I could use that land for something. Oh hey, maybe I need to get in with the local commissioners. Maybe we should actually work on local election and start doing that stuff. And the second thing I see here is we're talking raw materials for construction that are being pointed out here right steal lumber and welding gas. Yes, those are crazy lucrative because any of these other companies that want to come through and build things can get their supplies from you. It's brilliant.

I could see and if I didn't leave my like local area very often, I could totally see myself getting into like, well, there is some land over there, and I could save enough money for that, and I wonder if I could use that land for something. Oh hey, maybe I need to get in with the local commissioners. Maybe we should actually work on local election and start doing that stuff. And the second thing I see here is we're talking raw materials for construction that are being pointed out here right steal lumber and welding gas. Yes, those are crazy lucrative because any of these other companies that want to come through and build things can get their supplies from you. It's brilliant.

I think so too. Oh Man, thank you so much, don Vie for that perspective. I think it's something that really clicked with all three of us. So I know, Ben, Did you have anything else to have before we go to a little quick break.

I think so too. Oh Man, thank you so much, don Vie for that perspective. I think it's something that really clicked with all three of us. So I know, Ben, Did you have anything else to have before we go to a little quick break.

If you are a member, a current or former of an Amish community or some related belief system, we would love to hear from you directly. We will tell you how to get to us online or through any other method of communication. At the end of tonight's listener mail segment, please stay tuned and again, as you said, Noel, thank you so much to don Vie, and thank you to everybody who wrote in or otherwise contacted us regarding these experiences. Also, if you're one of the folks from the Mennonite community I used to mess with in Guatemala, I hope you guys are okay. I hope the bakery is still open.

If you are a member, a current or former of an Amish community or some related belief system, we would love to hear from you directly. We will tell you how to get to us online or through any other method of communication. At the end of tonight's listener mail segment, please stay tuned and again, as you said, Noel, thank you so much to don Vie, and thank you to everybody who wrote in or otherwise contacted us regarding these experiences. Also, if you're one of the folks from the Mennonite community I used to mess with in Guatemala, I hope you guys are okay. I hope the bakery is still open.

That place was awesome, lovely Mennonite community in my hometown of Augusta, Georgia, and a great bakery, absolutely wonderful little ham roll things. Well, let's see a quick pause for the cause that keeps the lights on here, and we'll come back with another message from you.

That place was awesome, lovely Mennonite community in my hometown of Augusta, Georgia, and a great bakery, absolutely wonderful little ham roll things. Well, let's see a quick pause for the cause that keeps the lights on here, and we'll come back with another message from you.

And we've returned. Guys, we've got a doozy, and by doozy, I mean a very deep topic that I don't think we're going to be able to handle in this fifteen minutes. So let's imagine perhaps making a full episode on this specific topic, because it goes deep and there's a twist in here that we're going to get too that I think is the reason for a lot of the forward facing response to what we're going to talk about. So with all that said, let's listen to a message we received from Wonko Hi.

And we've returned. Guys, we've got a doozy, and by doozy, I mean a very deep topic that I don't think we're going to be able to handle in this fifteen minutes. So let's imagine perhaps making a full episode on this specific topic, because it goes deep and there's a twist in here that we're going to get too that I think is the reason for a lot of the forward facing response to what we're going to talk about. So with all that said, let's listen to a message we received from Wonko Hi.

This is Wonko, the same longtime listener, first time ever calling her right into you guys, and you guys were talking about the ban of Chinese software and hardware, and I just wanted to point out that China has already managed to infiltrate our pipeline. If you look up, I believe it was Wired who had a fantastic episode about it. A little micro chip smaller than the size of the tip of a pencil that was basically able to take complete control of massive numbers of servers. We're talking governments, we're talking Apple, we're talking Microsoft. They had this tiny little chip on all of these main boards that essentially allowed them to duplicate and copy any data they wanted. They could take control at any time. So as far as Chinese made software and hardware, you never know when the next attack is going to come through. And they were listening in on embassies, they were listening in on virtually every aspect of tech. They had their fingers in there pretty deep. So as far as the ban is concerned, long before the ban on Chinese hardware or software really comes into play. We need to reevaluate our pipelines as far as where our hardware comes from and actually start to build things in country. Anyways, just my two thoughts on the band and potential ban anyways, and how little a band would have effect if we ignore our pipelines. Anyways, you guys have great episodes. Hope you have a good one.

This is Wonko, the same longtime listener, first time ever calling her right into you guys, and you guys were talking about the ban of Chinese software and hardware, and I just wanted to point out that China has already managed to infiltrate our pipeline. If you look up, I believe it was Wired who had a fantastic episode about it. A little micro chip smaller than the size of the tip of a pencil that was basically able to take complete control of massive numbers of servers. We're talking governments, we're talking Apple, we're talking Microsoft. They had this tiny little chip on all of these main boards that essentially allowed them to duplicate and copy any data they wanted. They could take control at any time. So as far as Chinese made software and hardware, you never know when the next attack is going to come through. And they were listening in on embassies, they were listening in on virtually every aspect of tech. They had their fingers in there pretty deep. So as far as the ban is concerned, long before the ban on Chinese hardware or software really comes into play. We need to reevaluate our pipelines as far as where our hardware comes from and actually start to build things in country. Anyways, just my two thoughts on the band and potential ban anyways, and how little a band would have effect if we ignore our pipelines. Anyways, you guys have great episodes. Hope you have a good one.

Thanks, thank you.

Thanks, thank you.

Wonka wait a minute, so yes, thank you. So that chip is this is like industrial espionage or this is like part of existing hardware and people, and it is known, it goes, it goes happened.

Wonka wait a minute, so yes, thank you. So that chip is this is like industrial espionage or this is like part of existing hardware and people, and it is known, it goes, it goes happened.

Yeah, it goes deep, and it goes back in time to twenty eighteen. So at least that's when we found out about it because Bloomberg started talking about it. And this is important. The publication, the outfit Bloomberg, they did their own investigation and then it created a bunch of other writing about this investigation. You can go directly to the Bloomberg source if you want to. We'll go ahead and tell you that so you can learn about this as well. You will have to I think subscribe or get one of those things, you know, sign up for whatever to read the article. It is titled The Big Hack How China used a tiny chip to infiltrate US companies. It was written by Jordan Robertson and Michael Riley on October fourth, twenty eighteen. It's a huge piece, a big old feature. And then what we're going to do just because it's what was mentioned by Wonko the Saine there and yes, thank you so much for this Wonko. We're going to go to Wired because they then wrote about it on October fourth, Lily Hey Newman wrote about it, so we're going to jump to that article in the same year, right, same year, Yeah, same time. So, like I said, Bloomberg starts the waterfall and then Wired catches it. So that's where we're going right now. Wired's article is titled There's no good fix if the supply chain gets hacked, And I'm just going to read a little bit from this to answer your questional because I guess we can just say at the top before we get into it. This tiny little microchip that Wonko is describing is an extra microchip, like an extra CPU type situation that is applied to a motherboard. I think we're all familiar with what a motherboard is. It's the larger piece of silicon that has a bunch of the components.

Yeah, it goes deep, and it goes back in time to twenty eighteen. So at least that's when we found out about it because Bloomberg started talking about it. And this is important. The publication, the outfit Bloomberg, they did their own investigation and then it created a bunch of other writing about this investigation. You can go directly to the Bloomberg source if you want to. We'll go ahead and tell you that so you can learn about this as well. You will have to I think subscribe or get one of those things, you know, sign up for whatever to read the article. It is titled The Big Hack How China used a tiny chip to infiltrate US companies. It was written by Jordan Robertson and Michael Riley on October fourth, twenty eighteen. It's a huge piece, a big old feature. And then what we're going to do just because it's what was mentioned by Wonko the Saine there and yes, thank you so much for this Wonko. We're going to go to Wired because they then wrote about it on October fourth, Lily Hey Newman wrote about it, so we're going to jump to that article in the same year, right, same year, Yeah, same time. So, like I said, Bloomberg starts the waterfall and then Wired catches it. So that's where we're going right now. Wired's article is titled There's no good fix if the supply chain gets hacked, And I'm just going to read a little bit from this to answer your questional because I guess we can just say at the top before we get into it. This tiny little microchip that Wonko is describing is an extra microchip, like an extra CPU type situation that is applied to a motherboard. I think we're all familiar with what a motherboard is. It's the larger piece of silicon that has a bunch of the components.

Printed circuit kind of situation.

Printed circuit kind of situation.

It's a printed circuit that components get plugged into, right, and then that operates your computer or your server, right. And you would have a bunch of these in a huge array if you're talking about somebody like Apple or Microsoft as Wanko mentioned, or Amazon. So here we go. These are Lily's words. A major report from Bloomberg describes an infiltration of the hardware supply chain allegedly orchestrated by the Chinese military that reaches an unprecedented geopolitical scope and scale and may be a manifestation of the tech industry's worst fears. If the details are correct. That's important because it's if Bloomberg's investigation is correct, it could be a nearly impossible mess to clean up. So let's just get into this. The chips that we're talking about here are from a US based company called super micro Computer Inc. Also known as super Micro. This is a San Jose based company. The reason why we're talking about you heard me say it's a US based company, right, But.

It's a printed circuit that components get plugged into, right, and then that operates your computer or your server, right. And you would have a bunch of these in a huge array if you're talking about somebody like Apple or Microsoft as Wanko mentioned, or Amazon. So here we go. These are Lily's words. A major report from Bloomberg describes an infiltration of the hardware supply chain allegedly orchestrated by the Chinese military that reaches an unprecedented geopolitical scope and scale and may be a manifestation of the tech industry's worst fears. If the details are correct. That's important because it's if Bloomberg's investigation is correct, it could be a nearly impossible mess to clean up. So let's just get into this. The chips that we're talking about here are from a US based company called super micro Computer Inc. Also known as super Micro. This is a San Jose based company. The reason why we're talking about you heard me say it's a US based company, right, But.

The assemble things from other places into end user products exactly.

The assemble things from other places into end user products exactly.

So again, just use the Boeing example because in my mind, it's the easiest thing in my mind to see, like the parts of a plane that get manufactured a bunch of places then come together at one place and become an airplane.

So again, just use the Boeing example because in my mind, it's the easiest thing in my mind to see, like the parts of a plane that get manufactured a bunch of places then come together at one place and become an airplane.

Same thing, or like that middleman company involved in the exploding pagers story.

Same thing, or like that middleman company involved in the exploding pagers story.

Oh yeah right, but more like for another thing that will be familiar to people, the way that an article of clothing can say made in the USA. Yes, if the origin materials are not indeed from the United States.

Oh yeah right, but more like for another thing that will be familiar to people, the way that an article of clothing can say made in the USA. Yes, if the origin materials are not indeed from the United States.

And made with slave or child labor. Whoo uh okay, so here we go. This is back to Lily's words. Cybersecurity experts often describe supply chain attacks as worst case scenarios because they taint products or services at the time of their creation. The Bloomberg report raises a much more alarming specter that Chinese government actors compromised for so ubcontractors of that super micro Computer Inc. To hide these tiny microchips on super micro boards, so the official boards that super Micro is putting out, and those things are crazy popular guys with the big companies and with small companies and medium companies. They are just one of the big players. If you imagine going out to buy a new phone right now. In your mind, you're probably thinking an Apple phone, a Samsung phone, a Google phone. Right those are like the three, and then there's a bunch of other stuff you could go to microcenter to get or order online. Super Micro is one of these companies if you're buying server arrays. Yes, these chips, according to Bloomberg, offered a fundamental backdoor into the devices they were hidden in, ultimately helping the Chinese government access the networks of more than thirty US companies, including Apple and Amazon, and they could use them to gather intelligence on plans, communications, and intellectual property. Here's why why the Bloomberg investigation is a bit called into question here. As soon as this came out, right as soon as this news hit, and even before because these big companies like Apple and Amazon were reached out to before publication. Those big companies refuted this report completely. They said, no, this is not true, This did not happen. They have never found any evidence that anything like this has ever occurred. There's no attack on our infrastructure. Everything's good, we're good. There are no malicious ships. Here's a quote. Apple has never found malicious chips. Hardware manipulations or vulnerabilities purposefully planted in any server. Cool, okay, sure, So then of course it's on the journalists. They're at Bloomberg, and for them they either have to say, hey, that's our bad, we'll retract parts of our report or something like that. That is not what they did. Those journalists said, no, we've done our due diligence, We've verified everything before we publish the story. We know it happened and it's true. And the companies were like, no, it's not. And then it just becomes Okay, who do you believe the investigative journalists and like private investigators and people who are actually you know, getting quotes from individuals from within some of the operations, and.

And made with slave or child labor. Whoo uh okay, so here we go. This is back to Lily's words. Cybersecurity experts often describe supply chain attacks as worst case scenarios because they taint products or services at the time of their creation. The Bloomberg report raises a much more alarming specter that Chinese government actors compromised for so ubcontractors of that super micro Computer Inc. To hide these tiny microchips on super micro boards, so the official boards that super Micro is putting out, and those things are crazy popular guys with the big companies and with small companies and medium companies. They are just one of the big players. If you imagine going out to buy a new phone right now. In your mind, you're probably thinking an Apple phone, a Samsung phone, a Google phone. Right those are like the three, and then there's a bunch of other stuff you could go to microcenter to get or order online. Super Micro is one of these companies if you're buying server arrays. Yes, these chips, according to Bloomberg, offered a fundamental backdoor into the devices they were hidden in, ultimately helping the Chinese government access the networks of more than thirty US companies, including Apple and Amazon, and they could use them to gather intelligence on plans, communications, and intellectual property. Here's why why the Bloomberg investigation is a bit called into question here. As soon as this came out, right as soon as this news hit, and even before because these big companies like Apple and Amazon were reached out to before publication. Those big companies refuted this report completely. They said, no, this is not true, This did not happen. They have never found any evidence that anything like this has ever occurred. There's no attack on our infrastructure. Everything's good, we're good. There are no malicious ships. Here's a quote. Apple has never found malicious chips. Hardware manipulations or vulnerabilities purposefully planted in any server. Cool, okay, sure, So then of course it's on the journalists. They're at Bloomberg, and for them they either have to say, hey, that's our bad, we'll retract parts of our report or something like that. That is not what they did. Those journalists said, no, we've done our due diligence, We've verified everything before we publish the story. We know it happened and it's true. And the companies were like, no, it's not. And then it just becomes Okay, who do you believe the investigative journalists and like private investigators and people who are actually you know, getting quotes from individuals from within some of the operations, and.

The independent white hats who also confirmed it.

The independent white hats who also confirmed it.

Yes, or do you listen to the big corporation that has a lot to lose if like, think about what we're talking about here, Apple servers, Amazon servers, just those two companies, right, What does Amazon own Amazon Web services? What types of information do they run through their servers?

Yes, or do you listen to the big corporation that has a lot to lose if like, think about what we're talking about here, Apple servers, Amazon servers, just those two companies, right, What does Amazon own Amazon Web services? What types of information do they run through their servers?

All of it, all of the things.

All of it, all of the things.

Most of it, I mean same with Apple, right, and with personal information that you back up in the cloud. Massive deal. But Guys, here's where it gets crazy, and this is where I think we end the segment because this is what we need to explore in full. A couple of years later, after all of this was reported, more information came out and it got weirder. Guys, it got weirder.

Most of it, I mean same with Apple, right, and with personal information that you back up in the cloud. Massive deal. But Guys, here's where it gets crazy, and this is where I think we end the segment because this is what we need to explore in full. A couple of years later, after all of this was reported, more information came out and it got weirder. Guys, it got weirder.

Can I talk about, well, we'll hold it for an episode.

Can I talk about, well, we'll hold it for an episode.

We can hold it for an episode, Okay, but let's say this. More details came out in like twenty twenty one. But I think their wrinkle and why this is such a massive deal is because one of the journalists who wrote this article went on All Things Considered, It's an NPR show on the day basically on October fourth, when all of this is coming out, and he made the statement which is also included in the Bloomberg article. But he made the statement that the chip was also found in servers of the Pentagon and the CIA, which would might be a problem. I don't know, maybe.

We can hold it for an episode, Okay, but let's say this. More details came out in like twenty twenty one. But I think their wrinkle and why this is such a massive deal is because one of the journalists who wrote this article went on All Things Considered, It's an NPR show on the day basically on October fourth, when all of this is coming out, and he made the statement which is also included in the Bloomberg article. But he made the statement that the chip was also found in servers of the Pentagon and the CIA, which would might be a problem. I don't know, maybe.

Ed just last month the FBI got that court order through. Yes, yeah, okay, spoilers.

Ed just last month the FBI got that court order through. Yes, yeah, okay, spoilers.

Folks, dude, there's stuff that we got to dig in.

Folks, dude, there's stuff that we got to dig in.

Yeah, Wonko the same, thank you again. Yeah, this is an episode we should go ahead and do it because it's just going to get stranger the longer we hold off on it.

Yeah, Wonko the same, thank you again. Yeah, this is an episode we should go ahead and do it because it's just going to get stranger the longer we hold off on it.

Agreed, Wonco, You're the best. We will be right back with more messages from you.

Agreed, Wonco, You're the best. We will be right back with more messages from you.

And we have returned with just some letters from home.

And we have returned with just some letters from home.

No.

No.

I mentioned in a previous program we would share stories of some fellow conspiracy realist in the education space. We are going to share those in the future. And speaking of hardware and software and the interaction with the human mind, we have a quick letter from home from our pal Flounder. Flounder, thank you so much for calling, and also Matt, thank you for hurting the voicemails.

I mentioned in a previous program we would share stories of some fellow conspiracy realist in the education space. We are going to share those in the future. And speaking of hardware and software and the interaction with the human mind, we have a quick letter from home from our pal Flounder. Flounder, thank you so much for calling, and also Matt, thank you for hurting the voicemails.

Here we go.

Here we go.

Quick reaction to a statement I made earlier asking why there isn't more positive social media.

Quick reaction to a statement I made earlier asking why there isn't more positive social media.

Gentlemen, good morning. Your most recent episode, you made the comment that how come we do not have a positive social media? I think the problem is the word social. Problem is us people are what makes it bad, not the technology. The call is coming from inside the house. You can call me flounder a pH.

Gentlemen, good morning. Your most recent episode, you made the comment that how come we do not have a positive social media? I think the problem is the word social. Problem is us people are what makes it bad, not the technology. The call is coming from inside the house. You can call me flounder a pH.

Oh, flounder. You told us how to spell it bird the persona the handle is compromised. But also that is a pretty good point, is it not. I think that we use that as you know, I said that was kind of a throwaway thing. In the conversation. We didn't talk too much about it, but we did hit on the idea, right, Like, it seems that the we're in a chicken and egg situation. Is the algorithm pushing you toward things arguable or is the algorithm showing you things that, uh, just exacerbate your natural inclinations. What do you guys think?

Oh, flounder. You told us how to spell it bird the persona the handle is compromised. But also that is a pretty good point, is it not. I think that we use that as you know, I said that was kind of a throwaway thing. In the conversation. We didn't talk too much about it, but we did hit on the idea, right, Like, it seems that the we're in a chicken and egg situation. Is the algorithm pushing you toward things arguable or is the algorithm showing you things that, uh, just exacerbate your natural inclinations. What do you guys think?

Yeah, it's the things that we become fascinated by, the things that are pleasurable to view the thing. Yeah, it's it's all of those things that No, it is us. I'm sorry, I keep thinking just that idea.

Yeah, it's the things that we become fascinated by, the things that are pleasurable to view the thing. Yeah, it's it's all of those things that No, it is us. I'm sorry, I keep thinking just that idea.

It's a pickle, isn't it.

It's a pickle, isn't it.

It's it's so many pickles dancing around.

It's it's so many pickles dancing around.

My algorithm is just pickles. It's pickles and this one armed monkey from China, and it's yes, thank you for bringing that up. You were perfect on it. That's great. Everybody look up, jan.

My algorithm is just pickles. It's pickles and this one armed monkey from China, and it's yes, thank you for bringing that up. You were perfect on it. That's great. Everybody look up, jan.

Have you seen that one about the pickle ice cream? No, thank you, sir, No, thank you.

Have you seen that one about the pickle ice cream? No, thank you, sir, No, thank you.

Oh, but of it is kind of salty.

Oh, but of it is kind of salty.

Yeah, what about the pickle juice and doctor pepper? That's a big online turn. I'm sorry, we're not talking about actual pickle stuff.

Yeah, what about the pickle juice and doctor pepper? That's a big online turn. I'm sorry, we're not talking about actual pickle stuff.

Dude, pickle juice ever since Hannibal I flick pickle juice on.

Dude, pickle juice ever since Hannibal I flick pickle juice on.

Yeah, yeah, get up there. We're talking about Hannibal Burris, the legendary regiment, the late great doctor hanniballect Handle Elector would also vibe with that if you told them, hey, man, before you kill me, quick pro tip on the sandwiches, fling a little pickle juice on the innards when you eat them, And hannih will be like, thank.

Yeah, yeah, get up there. We're talking about Hannibal Burris, the legendary regiment, the late great doctor hanniballect Handle Elector would also vibe with that if you told them, hey, man, before you kill me, quick pro tip on the sandwiches, fling a little pickle juice on the innards when you eat them, And hannih will be like, thank.

You, yeah man, breditwards do I seriously, I've got I buy those devil spit pickles that you can find at your local pickle dealer, and they are so hot and delicious and you can use that juice on anything.

You, yeah man, breditwards do I seriously, I've got I buy those devil spit pickles that you can find at your local pickle dealer, and they are so hot and delicious and you can use that juice on anything.

And I would say further that algorithms, while they may while they may just exacerbate natural tendencies of the participant, there are definite moves on social media platforms to push you toward certain beliefs. And it's very difficult to be cognizant of those pushes because they're they're pretty subtle. For anybody who was still messing around with Facebook in this evening and age, you'll notice that the bulk of your feed has now become advertisements. I don't know why I'm saying that, Like, I don't speak English. Listen to you pickle dunce. So they've been sending that around. Also, AI posts are proliferating, and often they are meant to learn more about you and steer you toward certain decisions, which is why, for instance, if you go to Twitter, oh I didn't tell you. Guys almost texted you. It wasn't important enough.

And I would say further that algorithms, while they may while they may just exacerbate natural tendencies of the participant, there are definite moves on social media platforms to push you toward certain beliefs. And it's very difficult to be cognizant of those pushes because they're they're pretty subtle. For anybody who was still messing around with Facebook in this evening and age, you'll notice that the bulk of your feed has now become advertisements. I don't know why I'm saying that, Like, I don't speak English. Listen to you pickle dunce. So they've been sending that around. Also, AI posts are proliferating, and often they are meant to learn more about you and steer you toward certain decisions, which is why, for instance, if you go to Twitter, oh I didn't tell you. Guys almost texted you. It wasn't important enough.

Did you know?

Did you know?

There's a war on Wikipedia right now on the Twitter page about how Wikipedia has decided they're not going to call it X.

There's a war on Wikipedia right now on the Twitter page about how Wikipedia has decided they're not going to call it X.

What Okay, they're gonna die on that hill huh if.

What Okay, they're gonna die on that hill huh if.

Yeah, that's the hill they chose out of all the other stuff. Forget the Middle East. They're fighting about Twitter. If you go to the talk tab on the Twitter entry for Wikipedia, you'll see that it's a bunch of people trying to update it to X, and then a bunch of other people saying, nah, a player.

Yeah, that's the hill they chose out of all the other stuff. Forget the Middle East. They're fighting about Twitter. If you go to the talk tab on the Twitter entry for Wikipedia, you'll see that it's a bunch of people trying to update it to X, and then a bunch of other people saying, nah, a player.

That's really funny, that's really.

That's really funny, that's really.

Unfortunately, they're slapping it down. We are going to keep it brief here, as many of our fellow American conspiracy realists may well understand, We've got a lot of stuff going on right now. We've got many things to do, but we did want to do something I thought all five of us would enjoy Tennessee, and Noel and Matt and yours truly and you listening at home. What if we give somebody a little bit of travel advice? Does that a jolly good Yeah? Yeah?

Unfortunately, they're slapping it down. We are going to keep it brief here, as many of our fellow American conspiracy realists may well understand, We've got a lot of stuff going on right now. We've got many things to do, but we did want to do something I thought all five of us would enjoy Tennessee, and Noel and Matt and yours truly and you listening at home. What if we give somebody a little bit of travel advice? Does that a jolly good Yeah? Yeah?

Can I give some travel advice? That my son and I are obsessed with this travel Instagram account and it's just it's getting the social media thing in and it is travel. It's called unlikely Gems. Have you guys ever seen this?

Can I give some travel advice? That my son and I are obsessed with this travel Instagram account and it's just it's getting the social media thing in and it is travel. It's called unlikely Gems. Have you guys ever seen this?

Heard of?

Heard of?

But I don't think I followed that one. It less as Jingjing, the one armed monkey on it.

But I don't think I followed that one. It less as Jingjing, the one armed monkey on it.

No, it does not, it does not.

No, it does not, it does not.

I'm missing out, all right, but it sounds it's I feel like I have seen this, but I don't know much about it.

I'm missing out, all right, but it sounds it's I feel like I have seen this, but I don't know much about it.

Well, check it out specifically on Instagram. That's where I saw it. At least it's called unlikely Gems. I do not know the name of this human being that is one of my it's one of my favorite human beings in the world right now. It's like a reporter doing the field, but with a very specific cadence, and he does things like this and says that, and he just points he goes to these places across California and points out like a small rock that happens to be in a very specific place or a stop sign. Uh, and it is delightful. I cannot do it justice here, but I just found out it's a part of the upstate California Creative Core, Like it's a grant program for California's tourism.

Well, check it out specifically on Instagram. That's where I saw it. At least it's called unlikely Gems. I do not know the name of this human being that is one of my it's one of my favorite human beings in the world right now. It's like a reporter doing the field, but with a very specific cadence, and he does things like this and says that, and he just points he goes to these places across California and points out like a small rock that happens to be in a very specific place or a stop sign. Uh, and it is delightful. I cannot do it justice here, but I just found out it's a part of the upstate California Creative Core, Like it's a grant program for California's tourism.

Stuff like that. Well that's smart. That doesn't make it necessarily bad nor sinister.

Stuff like that. Well that's smart. That doesn't make it necessarily bad nor sinister.

Oh dang, okay, I don't think so. It just head over to Modoc County. That's all I know.

Oh dang, okay, I don't think so. It just head over to Modoc County. That's all I know.

All right, could you spell it for us? M O doc there we go, not to be confused with the absolute legend from Marvel Comics. Right, So, our our letter from home here going back to you, our listener, We're just gonna call you DuPont Dave. You wrote to us earlier this weekend and you said, hey, longtime listener, first time emailing or even contacting you all. Later this month, I'm planning a trip to Washington, d C. I was wondering if you all have any suggestions to go to restaurants, bars, attractions. I'm planning on going to the International Spy Museum and one or two Smithsonians also museums in the area. If you happen to be in DC, regardless of where you're from, you're gonna dig the Aerospace Museum. Promise anyway, DuPont Dave says, was hoping you all know any more fun or even educational spots. And I thought this would be an opportunity for us to really let the rubber hit throad. When we say listener mails focus on our fellow conspiracy realist.

All right, could you spell it for us? M O doc there we go, not to be confused with the absolute legend from Marvel Comics. Right, So, our our letter from home here going back to you, our listener, We're just gonna call you DuPont Dave. You wrote to us earlier this weekend and you said, hey, longtime listener, first time emailing or even contacting you all. Later this month, I'm planning a trip to Washington, d C. I was wondering if you all have any suggestions to go to restaurants, bars, attractions. I'm planning on going to the International Spy Museum and one or two Smithsonians also museums in the area. If you happen to be in DC, regardless of where you're from, you're gonna dig the Aerospace Museum. Promise anyway, DuPont Dave says, was hoping you all know any more fun or even educational spots. And I thought this would be an opportunity for us to really let the rubber hit throad. When we say listener mails focus on our fellow conspiracy realist.

We know d C.

We know d C.

We've all been to d C right, never lived there, but we visited.

We've all been to d C right, never lived there, but we visited.

I haven't been a ton and I've said it before, I've never been to any of the Smithsonians, So I really I'm right there with you asking for Rex. I haven't experienced a ton of DC at all. Dude.

I haven't been a ton and I've said it before, I've never been to any of the Smithsonians, So I really I'm right there with you asking for Rex. I haven't experienced a ton of DC at all. Dude.

What you need to do right now is reserve a Pentagon tour because they offer them. You can get them, and you can tour the Pentagon.

What you need to do right now is reserve a Pentagon tour because they offer them. You can get them, and you can tour the Pentagon.

Yes, and you may. I love that, Matt. You may have just enough time to do so. Also, you have to report back. Okay, this is a covenant. DuPont Dave. By hearing this, you have just shaken some hands, right. So to Matt's point, further on Matt's point, there's a place called DuPont Underground. It's an abandoned train station. It used to be pretty difficult to get inside. You would have to just know the right people to go to this abandoned trolley station low DuPont Circle. But now it's a pretty cool art exhibit spot. Like, now you can walk through this abandoned area and you can you're almost guaranteed to see some amazing art.

Yes, and you may. I love that, Matt. You may have just enough time to do so. Also, you have to report back. Okay, this is a covenant. DuPont Dave. By hearing this, you have just shaken some hands, right. So to Matt's point, further on Matt's point, there's a place called DuPont Underground. It's an abandoned train station. It used to be pretty difficult to get inside. You would have to just know the right people to go to this abandoned trolley station low DuPont Circle. But now it's a pretty cool art exhibit spot. Like, now you can walk through this abandoned area and you can you're almost guaranteed to see some amazing art.

Dude, Hey, guys, can you guess the date the not the year, but the month and day when ground was broken on construction of the Pentagon? Just a wild guess what month and day?

Dude, Hey, guys, can you guess the date the not the year, but the month and day when ground was broken on construction of the Pentagon? Just a wild guess what month and day?

Oh Jesus is six six?

Oh Jesus is six six?

Ground was broken on September eleventh. Oh, No, nineteen forty one.

Ground was broken on September eleventh. Oh, No, nineteen forty one.

I thought you were going for more of like a diabolical numerology kind of situation.

I thought you were going for more of like a diabolical numerology kind of situation.

No.

No.

Forty one is interesting, just a weird coincidence.

Forty one is interesting, just a weird coincidence.

That's a little weird.

That's a little weird.

I mean it's a one out at three hundred and sixty something chance, right, Yeah, but that is a big It's a lot different from guessing someone's zodiac si. You know what I mean. We still haven't done an astrology episode. Let us know if that feels like it bags your badgers. We also want to recommend for you DuPont Dave. We want to recommend things like, well, it depends on what you go what you go for, and how you're feeling. If you want something peaceful, there's really kick ass Bonzai Museum, the National Bonzeye Museum. One of the I think one of the oldest trees there, if it's still alive, dates back to the seventeenth century, early seventeenth century. I still have no idea how bonds I can live that long. You guys remember the movie The Exorcist.

I mean it's a one out at three hundred and sixty something chance, right, Yeah, but that is a big It's a lot different from guessing someone's zodiac si. You know what I mean. We still haven't done an astrology episode. Let us know if that feels like it bags your badgers. We also want to recommend for you DuPont Dave. We want to recommend things like, well, it depends on what you go what you go for, and how you're feeling. If you want something peaceful, there's really kick ass Bonzai Museum, the National Bonzeye Museum. One of the I think one of the oldest trees there, if it's still alive, dates back to the seventeenth century, early seventeenth century. I still have no idea how bonds I can live that long. You guys remember the movie The Exorcist.

Yeah, guys, I recall it vaguely. Also the Karate Kid Part two. There's Bonzie trees in that one.

Yeah, guys, I recall it vaguely. Also the Karate Kid Part two. There's Bonzie trees in that one.

That's all Oh, okay, yeah, okay, I'm back, We're We're back. The Exorcist the Fame. No spoilers, folks. It is one of the scariest films. If you recall, there is a pivotal moment where a protagonist encounters some stairs. Those stairs are in Washington, DC. You can see them. It is an historic landmark. I feel like you have to very much care about The Exorcist to go out of your way to look at some stairs.

That's all Oh, okay, yeah, okay, I'm back, We're We're back. The Exorcist the Fame. No spoilers, folks. It is one of the scariest films. If you recall, there is a pivotal moment where a protagonist encounters some stairs. Those stairs are in Washington, DC. You can see them. It is an historic landmark. I feel like you have to very much care about The Exorcist to go out of your way to look at some stairs.

I'm a bit of a pop culture stair tourist. You know, I've been to the ones in Philly, that rocky exercise. I have seen them. But I think that could be fun. Someone should put together a list of historical and or pop culturally important stairs.

I'm a bit of a pop culture stair tourist. You know, I've been to the ones in Philly, that rocky exercise. I have seen them. But I think that could be fun. Someone should put together a list of historical and or pop culturally important stairs.

That's a good idea. Yeah, I agree. You can also, if you're feeling kind of creepy, you can go to a facimile catacomb complex. Yeah yeah, so all right, cast your memory back. You're it's the SubTime of the early nineteen hundreds. You're a bunch of Franciscan monks, and you say, we need to show people the Holy Land. But a lot of folks can't afford to get over the Atlantic and visit that area. So if they can't afford the trip overseas, what do we do? We make it at home. We have catacombs at home, I mean yeah, yeah, so they do have a papal endorsement. They do have a very real skeleton in there. It's over at fourteen hundred Quincy Street, Northeast. I don't know if it's it's kind of a tourist trap, I think, but I like catacolm. I think catacombs are cool.

That's a good idea. Yeah, I agree. You can also, if you're feeling kind of creepy, you can go to a facimile catacomb complex. Yeah yeah, so all right, cast your memory back. You're it's the SubTime of the early nineteen hundreds. You're a bunch of Franciscan monks, and you say, we need to show people the Holy Land. But a lot of folks can't afford to get over the Atlantic and visit that area. So if they can't afford the trip overseas, what do we do? We make it at home. We have catacombs at home, I mean yeah, yeah, so they do have a papal endorsement. They do have a very real skeleton in there. It's over at fourteen hundred Quincy Street, Northeast. I don't know if it's it's kind of a tourist trap, I think, but I like catacolm. I think catacombs are cool.

They feel like, you know, and while you're in the catacombs, do yourself a favor and look for some old currency that is no longer functional, because guys, in Washington, d C. At fourteenth and C Streets you can find the Mutilated Currency Division finally, and you can go walk up and say, hey, can I check this out?

They feel like, you know, and while you're in the catacombs, do yourself a favor and look for some old currency that is no longer functional, because guys, in Washington, d C. At fourteenth and C Streets you can find the Mutilated Currency Division finally, and you can go walk up and say, hey, can I check this out?

We also have to recommend they'll probably just be interested that you're interested, you.

We also have to recommend they'll probably just be interested that you're interested, you.

Know, exactly exactly.

Know, exactly exactly.

We can also recommend look even the stuff that sounds I guess very on the map and it's very touristy. We promise you a lot of it is amazing. Right, There's a certain it doesn't matter whether or not you're from the US, there's a certain gravitas and grandeur to the construction of the city, to the monuments and edifices that have been built there. One of the ones that I think always interested us were the Freemason the Freemason Complex, and of course the Washington Monument, which started out as something that looked way more understandable and ended up being an obelisk.

We can also recommend look even the stuff that sounds I guess very on the map and it's very touristy. We promise you a lot of it is amazing. Right, There's a certain it doesn't matter whether or not you're from the US, there's a certain gravitas and grandeur to the construction of the city, to the monuments and edifices that have been built there. One of the ones that I think always interested us were the Freemason the Freemason Complex, and of course the Washington Monument, which started out as something that looked way more understandable and ended up being an obelisk.

Dude, I want to ask you, guys, is the is this just a fake thing? The idea that the Washington Monument was built around an old tree. That's just a right the quote quote special tree.

Dude, I want to ask you, guys, is the is this just a fake thing? The idea that the Washington Monument was built around an old tree. That's just a right the quote quote special tree.

I haven't heard about that.

I haven't heard about that.

I do like the pun of special tea special tree. But I'm not. I wasn't. I wasn't on scene when they were building. It's I'm not sure.

I do like the pun of special tea special tree. But I'm not. I wasn't. I wasn't on scene when they were building. It's I'm not sure.

Oh okay, it's a it's that's good. Well you were around, you just weren't there.

Oh okay, it's a it's that's good. Well you were around, you just weren't there.

I wasn't.

I wasn't.

But I think it's a TikTok thing or you know, one of those like creepypasta things, like this idea that there's this mythical tree with special powers that the monument was built around.

But I think it's a TikTok thing or you know, one of those like creepypasta things, like this idea that there's this mythical tree with special powers that the monument was built around.

I like that.

I like that.

Yeah, we do love a Washington legend. We also we also recommend that you check out the Washington National Cathedral. There is a crypt there that has the marble tomb of Woodrow Wilson. Also Helen Keller's ashes are interred in the area. It's a it's a nice way to encounter history. There's so much stuff to do. You cannot throw a stone or a bouncy ball without hitting something really cool that you should check out in Washington, d C. I almost said Deac because I just remembered you guys, the DEA has a small museum in their lobby and one of the weirdest things they have is their exhibit of bongs.

Yeah, we do love a Washington legend. We also we also recommend that you check out the Washington National Cathedral. There is a crypt there that has the marble tomb of Woodrow Wilson. Also Helen Keller's ashes are interred in the area. It's a it's a nice way to encounter history. There's so much stuff to do. You cannot throw a stone or a bouncy ball without hitting something really cool that you should check out in Washington, d C. I almost said Deac because I just remembered you guys, the DEA has a small museum in their lobby and one of the weirdest things they have is their exhibit of bongs.

What cool? Tell me more?

What cool? Tell me more?

Right right now?

Right right now?

I got you back in Yeah, man, you're talking about stairs right.

I got you back in Yeah, man, you're talking about stairs right.

They have a I think it's back open out closed temporarily in twenty nineteen, but years of past. So if you're cool and you're comfortable visiting the DEA, you could check out their museum. As a matter of fact, a lot of those agencies in DC and in Virginia have little like at home museums.

They have a I think it's back open out closed temporarily in twenty nineteen, but years of past. So if you're cool and you're comfortable visiting the DEA, you could check out their museum. As a matter of fact, a lot of those agencies in DC and in Virginia have little like at home museums.

You can visit, dude, And when you get a little a little hungry and you want to slice a pizza, maybe we recommend comet ping pong.

You can visit, dude, And when you get a little a little hungry and you want to slice a pizza, maybe we recommend comet ping pong.

That's funny, Matt, check out the basement.

That's funny, Matt, check out the basement.

Sorry, we're joking. Sorry, but it is on Connecticut Avenue though.

Sorry, we're joking. Sorry, but it is on Connecticut Avenue though.

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