From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or learn the stuff they don't want you to know. M Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my name is No. They call me Ben. We are joined with our guest super producer, Ramsey Yount. More importantly, you are you. You are here, and that makes this stuff they don't want you to know. You gotta be honest. I'm LUPI I have no idea what time it is, what day it is. This is very much a quantum leap, Oh boy moment for me. But I'm glad to be back. You guys look great, you smell wonderful. So are you a character in Ben Bolen's body that quantum leaped into you? Or you Ben Bowlen that is quantum leaked into a different body because you look like Ben. That's very that's very kind. Yeah, as far as I know, I am not Scott Bacula, Okay, but but be that as it may. We're all very excited about today's episode because this is one of our favorite returning formats. We often say that the most important part of this show is you specifically you, and this time we're putting our money where our collective mouth is, right, we share a mouth. Yeah, it's just timeshare mouth. It sounded like a good idea at the moment, full full disclosure, this was almost a ben ball and less episode. It was we couldn't we couldn't let that stand and then actually called in and left us an amazing voicemail. I think from the DMZ he did. He did. But I think you were probably already loopy then, because on the front end of a trip like that, you're loopy. Then on the back end of a trip like that, you're loopy. When does it ever normalize to take several days? Right? You know? I hope never. I hope never. Are you are you like tripping right now? I bet? Like it's an interesting experience. I mean, I'm enjoying it. I'm enjoying it, and I have I have all fair some surprises for you guys. So that's a perfect sallenge. We should keep that in. That's the perfect salcue. So we have, as you know, long time listeners, we have some information that we always want to give out towards the end of every single episode we do, regardless of what the topic maybe at the time. And one of those things that we always make sure to shout out is our call in line call in number that you can reach anywhere in the world. I verified this recently while I was trying to find a quiet place to call you guys in the city, and that number is one eight three three s T d w y T kree eight. I'm like too, I guess, And if you call this number, you'll just you'll hear a brief voicemail message and then you can leave a voicemail. And Matt, we have to thank you for driving this, for setting up this whole thing. I set it up for this particular set of episodes. That's all Mr knowl. So come now, Matt, you were you were very helpful as well instrumental even and I want to say this up front, and we were probably gonna start saying this at the end of the show as well, to remind people, um, there is a three minute time limit on a single message, So just either like get your story in three minute form, or just be aware that you're gonna have to call and leave a part to a continuation, which we're totally fine, and there's gonna be a couple like that you're gonna here today. But um, there were a few people that it seemed like it through for a loop and they didn't call back. Yeah, we had a couple of cliffhanger ones, right, And so thank you to knowl as well for going through this massive amount of messages. Know how many would you say there were when when you opened the treasure trove? I can say exactly how many there were? There were two d And then when I got in after you had found a bunch of them, there are a hundred and forty four left. I got through about forty of those. So there's still a hundred sitting there that I have that none of us have listened to. I guess it's my turn. It's just there's so many, and they're also great. We're trying to capture, you know, the best of the ones that we can, and then the rest of them we are definitely listening to as soon as we can. So what what did you find? I'm a leaf on the wind here. This is gonna a lot of this is gonna be news to me. Okay, I want to say one thing really quickly up front. Um, some some of the messages that we got were so personal and um, kind that it's not even something that feels appropriate to share directly, But I just want to point out that the folks that reach out and let us know that the show means something to them and that it gets them through tough times, whatever those times might be. Um, it's really really, really amazing to hear that. And it's sort of for me anyway puts doing this show in perspective. And sometimes it's so easy to feel like we're shouting into the abyss doing this stuff, and it's really cool to hear people say that we're kind of a part of their lives in a in a meaningful way. And I'm not trying to do a whole like Oscar speech kind of thing, but it really is. It was very cool for me to hear that and be reminded that, like, oh, this show means something to people, and that's really cool, and that's something that we've we've seen in previous messages too, you know, and uh, it means the world to us. We we often in this society have a bit of a misleading concept about podcast. We say, well, the show is free, but it's not free. It's free in terms of money, right, you don't. You don't pay cash to hear this show. Instead, you use the most important currency of our age, which is your time. You pay attention, You spend time, and we appreciate it. There was there was one other thing, um, that didn't want to lose is that you mentioned no, Yes, the the idea of certain messages being very personal. When you leave a message, if there's something that you just want to share with us and for something that you, for one reason or another, don't want to be on the air, that's completely fine with us. Just please say it in the message so that we know, yeah, state it up front if possible, and just say this is just for you guys. That that would be great. Um. And it is one of those things in our society where a lot of times, uh, for some reason or another, the most engaged people on a forum somewhere are the most negative ones. Uh. It really is. And it just so sometimes the feedback you get is so negative. Having this kind of avenue where getting these positive messages directly to us is very rejuvenating, uh, personally and creatively. Absolutely so, thank you, thank you, thank you. Sure we have a lot of like loudest voices in the room, syndrome kind of situations where they tend to be the voices of dissent. So it's nice to have some voices, uh saying positive things, you know, and not to say that some of these messages aren't, like, you know, dragging us over the coals a little bit, but usually in a constructive way and not unlike you guys suck go die in kind of way, more of like a I think you missed the boat on this thing. I really love the show. I just wanted to put in my two cents and that we appreciate that too. So, speaking speaking of all of these things, shout out to Mike, who's out there delivering pizzas and hopefully listening to this right now. UM, I see you out there. Those pizza smell delicious from here, so keep going. Like anyway, let's get to our first caller. Yeah, our first caller. I believe the last name is Alex. It was a little Sometimes these get a little muddied, so it's hard to make it out. But um, altcohol and Alex. For the purposes of this episode. Um, he had some issues with a few things wanted to add to armand Santo episode about GMOs. Um, but The most interesting thing that was something that I was unaware of that I think Ben was very much aware of. Uh is the idea of UM lawsuits surround ending the practice of seed saving by small farmers. So here's part two of Alex's message where he talks about this very interesting point number four. Also, I think you could have mentioned how many farmers have been sued by Monsanto for storing their own non GMO seeds, which have nothing to do with Montanto, and how saving seeds is actually becoming illegal. There are a lot of legal things about having your own garden and seeds. I mean, the world is going nuts right now under corporate rule, and I thought that could have been talked about because it's very very important. So I love a chow. I think that's a great way to end to call. I could never pull it off how he said, chow chow babe. Yeah, yeah, I'm not cool enough. He raises a great point. You raise a great point, Mr Alex. Yeah, he really does. And it's something that I wasn't aware of. But it turns out that there's a pretty and mark court case where a small farmer was sued by mont Santo because he saved seeds that were the offspring of mont Santo genetically modified seeds. They're called like round up seeds something like that, So I guess they are more resistant to um pests. So they he saved the offspring seeds from these. I thought they were terminator seeds for the most part, that they would not be able to Most are not Most are not terminating line seeds. I think you're talking about the seeds that were designed not to create more seeds that that couldn't essentially reproduce. So the idea of being that a farmer would be forced to buy another supply of seeds every harvest season. This is a little different. This is um the case of Vernon Bowman versus mont Santo, right, the one that went all the way to the Supreme Court did Yeah, So this is a seventy five year old Soy being farmer in Indiana. And it's exactly what you described, Alex, and what you described the seed saving concept. And this is a very ancient practice. Seed saving is something you do when you are a farmer because you gotta make you kinda make more stuff to sell world. You're not being a farmer. The gist of the argument from what I understand here is that, as Justice Stephen Bryer sums it up, the gist of the argument is that the law prohibits making a copy of a patented invention. So is is a seed a patented invention? Monsanto does own the patent to this, they do in the patent. But it just really starts to get into some very interesting territory when a natural process is considered copying or is considered some kind of like almost corporate espionage of some kind, you know. Uh. And it again, he it was something that happened naturally. And this is how Justice Elena Kagan something. It was a unanimous court decision to force this farmer to pay reparations I think into the tune of around eighty five thou dollars and I guess lost revenue, uh for Monsanto, which seems insane, but this was what she wrote. Are holding today is limited addressing the situation before us. Rather than everyone involving a self replicating product, we recognize that such inventions are becoming ever more prevalent, complex, and diverse. In another case, the article's self replication might occur outside the purchaser's control, or it might be a necessary but incidental step in using the item for another purpose. I think it's interesting because when I first read this, I almost I thought it was like a dissenting opinion, because it sounds like she's sort of siding with the farmer, or at least sort of saying, how, this is a complex issue that hasn't quite been presented to us before in this way. So it's a little bit difficult to have a definitive view basing this on other examples of copyright infringement because it's a natural process, that's what she's in acknowledging that. It makes it a little more complicated. I do love the argument Mr Bowman made. I mean, I know we kind of talked about the self replication everything, but just having his argument saying, uh that soybeans naturally self replicate or sprout unless stored in a controlled manner, meaning that it was the planted soybean, not Bowman, that created the new seeds, which is, in my opinion, of great argument. It's like, look, the seeds, they just they made new seeds. What am I gonna do? See that's literally what seeds are designed to do. Yeah, it is interesting, and I think you're right in terms of how the court ruled on this issue. They made it more a case by case thing. They did what's called a narrow ruling because they wanted to be very careful about what sorts of precedence they set. And I think there have been this was in right, and I think there have been some other similar cases that occurred afterward. Um. But in this case, they unanimously ruled in favor of Monsanto, which some people saw as controversial because one of the justices at the time it was still a justice as we record today, Clarence Thomas is a former lawyer for Monsanto. He didn't recuse himself for anything. He didn't see it as a conflict of interest. It never would that Monsanto blood runs deep. I like this guy. I think he is um. But I do love that they've rejected all like fully, the blame the being defense, blame the being. That's a T shirt. And so to our callers point, um, I don't know of any cases of Monsanto suing people for replicating non mon Santo seeds. Oh yeah, that was sort of his point, And I was a little unclear as to what he meant by that, Like the idea of storing seeds isn't inherently problematic. It's only problematic when Monsanto feels like their patents are being um infringed upon. Yeah, there is one other angle to it, which would be the idea of seeds transgenic or GMO seeds contaminating adjacent farmland. So let's say one farmer is using Monsanto seeds. Somebody else right down the road or across the way is not involved in that, but somehow these Monsanto seeds make their way to that other crop. Is that patent infringement? Are they stealing? Is that? As one of the justices said, what was that line, essentially bank robbery? That's right, Yeah, I know it was very very strong language. I think I think that's the blame the wind defense, uh in that case, because it generally would be the wind maybe carrying the seeds over. I don't know, however, how else the seed thrower mechanism defense, the old seed thrower defense, I mean someone through seeds away too far. Now here's the thing too, To another point um that our caller made, it is becoming increasingly more difficult to grow your own food. This is not something that is uh so simple and cut and dried to achieve because there are like zoning laws that can literally make it illegal to grow vegetables. There is a case in Herman Ricketts and her mind. I don't know h E R M I any her mind. I guess Rickets and Tom Carroll her mine. They were a couple from Miami Shores Village in Florida, and they had a garden they've been growing for and taking care of for seventeen years that actually supplied uh most of their their food, their sustenance. And because of a change in zoning laws, um, they were forced to up dig up the garden, which just seems like so wasteful and counter counterintuitive, you know, kind of like those laws restricting collection of rain water. Have you guys heard about those? So in some areas it is illegal to set up a cistern to collect water. I think one of the concerns was that it was messing with the natural water cycle. People were collecting too much water and they weren't you know, nestle. Then then we get in trouble. They weren't getting it from from an aquifer and drinking someone else's milk. Check purify and sell it for a dollar twenty nine most death check it out this episode is brought to you by just Water. It's just water. It's just water in a milk carton. It's a real product. It is a real products Jaden Smith's company. Actually, yes, in this episode is not brought to you by the Smith family or just water, but it is just water. But you know, to to to the whole argument here, do giant corporations like Montsanto getting, you know, controlling so much of the food that we eat? Is that inherently a conflict for folks that are just trying to like grow their own food and do their own thing. And it almost is like it's become harder and harder to kind of, you know, take care of our own in like the ways that our forefathers once did, you know, because you will kind of rely on these big corporations for everything from your telecommunications to the food that you eat, and you'll need Uh. Last point, which is a scary point on my end, is uh, you will increasingly as a farmer, need infrastructure to battle against the changing climate. And it's infrastructure that think can be quite expensive to implement. So there's a reason that agribusiness profits or succeeds so often in opposition to a small, smaller farming interest. I mean, think of pesticides alone, right, I think of think of irrigation systems. We're in a time now where Australia, which is already a super dry country, uh and also a country with large agricultural interest, things are literally catching on fire in austral Elliott, and in California, And in California. Yes, you're right, Matt. So in the future will we encounter situations where the only people who can afford the necessary infrastructure to grow food are large businesses that can sink millions of dollars into irrigation, climate control, pesticides. Yes, I hope not. Was that the wind? That was the wind of change? Boys. The only way you're going to be able to grow food from now on is if you build a giant wall. That's right, Build the wall around your farm so that no Monsanto seeds can make their way into your farm and you won't get suited or vertical corporate farming. Hey we did did we do an episode on that? I think we mentioned it. Maybe it was a brain stuff that Well, you're talking about here is the future map. I'm talking about the future Build that wall around your farm or just you build the skyscraper and the planters. Now people are doing that, I know, and I think that's the only way it's gonna happen. It's gonna Manhattan's just going to be filled with bean sprouts. So these are fantastic points that you raise, Mr Alex, and thank you for reaching out. We'd also like to hear thoughts from many farmers listening to the show right now, like what are some of the misconceptions that you think non farmers have about the process of growing a crop, and and how does a large agri business impact your day to day operation? Great, hey, guys, what do you say We take a quick break from a sponsor and then we'll get back to another voicemail. I like it, all right, and we're back. Okay, guys, what do we what do you say we listen to a story? I think that's a great idea. I love it that this is a story, um, while very tragic, told with utter humor and uh just complete poise by this by this caller, and I was just really take can buy it? And it's not necessarily a harsh indictment of the funeral industry, but it does go to show some of the things you might not consider, um, when you set out to cremate a loved one and attempt to scatter their ashes or do something that seems very personal, but yet somehow you need the help of these other organizations in order to get this done. Yeah. Forward to hearing this, Yeah, and it really makes you think about precautions you might need to take, things you might want to think about when traveling abroad. So this is this is a response to our big death episode. It is Hi, guys, I just listened to your podcast on the funeral industry and I have a story for you that is amazing and kind of comical and depending on how you look at it. Over ten years ago, I was traveling in Southeast Asia with my husband and unfortunately, he died while we were in the airport in no He went into the bathroom and had a massive heart attack. Now there's lots of stories around that, but I want to tell you the part that pertains to the funeral industry. Um. He wanted to be cremated and I had him cremated in Vietnam. It cost me a thousand dollars and I had to pay in cash, which is a crazy story, and I had to iron all my money because they wouldn't take folded money, our dirty money. So I washed my money in the sink and ironed it. Amazing experience, um the whole thing. So they cremated him in Vietnam, and he didn't get They don't burn at as high as of a temperature in Vietnam as they do in the United States, so there were lots of ashes they burn that I was handed um was probably about a foot and a half high by about eight inches two ten inches across, and it was full of ashes, and in fact, when they handed it to me, it was still hot. It was an alabaster urn, and I had to carry that thing on the way home. Now I knew my husband's wishes were to be spread from the top of a mountain in my home state. And when I got home, I opened up this gignormous urn that I had to carry the whole way and keep on my body because of legal issues between countries and transporting bodies and bloody blah blah, and the bones within the urn you could I could still see pieces of his bones. And I knew that if I allowed his children to climb to the top of the mountain and throw these out that I could cause a c s I type UM incident with pieces of skull and leg. So my story that pertains to the funeral industry in America was trying to find a funeral home that would grind my husband's bones. It was the hardest thing to do. I had to call around to funeral home after funeral home, and because they all were syndicated in this kind of back door kind of way like you spoke about, nobody would touch me with a ten foot pole. Even though I had um uh paperwork from Vietnam and paperwork from the US government in all the right paperwork to do this bone grinding that I needed to do after the cremation. So I finally found a local independent crematorium in my state. It's actually the only one within all of New England I think, um at least all within my state, so we'll say that. And they, after I told them the whole story, they agreed to help me, and I went there and for a very small nominal fee, they ground the bones for me so that his ashes could be spread. UM. Anyway, it was an amazing experience. UM, and there are so many incredible stories. I love your show. Thank you very much. I'm a full time studio artist and you keep me busy and entertained while I work. So thank you so much and have a great day, guys. Bye. Thank you so much for writing into us. This caller's wish was to remain anonymous, and we first and say thank you for sharing your story and we're sorry for your loss. Yeah, And I know it's been ten years, um, And it's just I can't believe you had to go through that whole situation. I can't imagine what that was like in the moment. I I have to think that it was just okay, well what do I do now? It's like you go into just like taking care of business man wow in the airport now less. And here's the thing that I think is so fascinating about that story. First of all, the idea of having to of the funeral industry in other countries, which is something we did not touch on at all in that episode. And the notion that you had to pay cash and that it had to be literally laundered, like like ironed and washed, um, and I just that's just bonkers to me. But then the whole idea of having to carry around this giant urn on her person for legal reasons. That aspect of it is is insane to me. And then how difficult it must have been to find a small and a funeral organization small enough that they could kind of like go off the books and kind of say what, we're gonna help you out, Because if I would imagine the issues that she ran into when she said they wouldn't touch her with a ten foot pole, as some of these uh funeral groups that are associated with the larger corporate parent companies, which I'm sure they have protocols and things that they just they won't do. Yeah, well, and you know this is a bit odd, but just if I'm playing devil's advocate from the perspective of these funeral homes that said no, we won't grind up the bones like Service Corporation International. Yeah, well, okay, just this is just a different perspective. UM imagine if it was a different story, a different person, maybe someone who's not like our caller, someone who was a little more nefarious, who had bones that they wanted to be ground up rightwork not speaking not speaking about her situation in particular, absolutely not and not seeing anything against her as just saying I can imagine you might feel like perhaps legally you might be in a weird position if you were to take part in that action, like are you aiding and abetting a crime? I mean, what it What it sounds like, Caller, is that you, unfortunately, at at a tremendously tram at a point in your life, ran into a bureaucratic approach to death and tragedy. So, just like you're saying, Matt, this is entirely speculation on my part, it sounds like they had some existing policy that was boiler plate across the board. It doesn't matter who you are, it doesn't matter what what the circumstances are. This is something they're not allowed to perform. That doesn't make it illegal for a company to do that. It sounds more like it's their internal policy rather than some sort of state or federal law. Sure, and as we know, like so often, large corporations are so averse to any potential litigation that they will just go above and beyond to make sure that there's not even a whiff of not following proper procedures, which is why I Heart canceled my musical you know what, Let it Go, Let it Go? Wait, No, that's not no, no, not that that's that I I and to even give you the titles of the songs, did it have anything to do with a giant man eating plant? WHOA, we're keeping that so yes, this is this is something that a lot of people don't think about. We're uncomfortable thinking about death. You know. It's the one great unknown, and it's always untimely. There's rarely a situation throughout the span of human history where someone passes away and their loved ones say, you know what, great timing that just worked out. It's it's um. It's an event that Matt, I think you said people need to prepare for, and a lot of us don't. UM. And this is also a look into um, a completely different world culturally, a different world in terms of scenarial practices, but also in terms of business practices. This is completely different. Like you said, no, we focused on the US and North America at large. I think maybe we mentioned a little bit about Europe or some slight contrasting things. But everywhere you go these sorts of laws regarding creation and burial, not to mention the sorts of more aise, cultural moraise, and social conventions regarding death and burial. They will change. This was a very educational story in terms of some of these perspectives that we might not see. But it was also I just was really taken by how good humored you were when delivering this story about what must have been probably one of the worst days of your life. But to have that perspective and to be able to tell it in such a lighthearted and and entertaining way, that really kind of touched me. I don't know, I really thought that was a incredible story, especially personally. I lost my father um and we had him. You made it and even that I think I've talked about it on the episode. Was a big to do where you are required to pay a lot of money for some kind of earn or some kind of receptacle and even just for the you know, because we were doing it on a budget, because the circumstances in which he passed away ended up where we he didn't leave us any insurance money, so we was very unexpected. I'll still leave it at that, And so you know, the cost of the funeral was an issue, and we were trying to make it as affordable as possible, and there are these kind of hidden costs um and ultimately we ended up getting in kind of like this plastic box of which I still I still have. I still have some of my father's ashes in this plastic box, like keep in my closet. And let us know if, if you're listening, if you can relate to these stories, let us know what sort of personal experiences you have had with this kind of unexpected tragedy. Were you in a situation where you were traveling abroad and you lost a loved one? Um, what if you are not a resident of the US, what are some uh what what are some of the death and burial rights moray's and laws that you think would surprise your fellow listeners. You can let us know any number of ways, which we get to at the end of the episode. But for now, let's say we take a break for a word from our sponsor, and we're back and we're going to switch gears here and talk about something that came up from our episode about Aaron Trewick, the bio hacker who passed away in a sensory deprivation tank and a drug was found in his system, and we had someone named Newtie call in and left us this message hey Ben Matt. No, it's nearly a long time listener. I shouted out to you guys like, ah wait, like a while back and that you guys put me on the air. I can't remember what it was about. I think it was like Planet nine or something, but anyway, I'll just recently listening to you guys, uh bio hacking podcast with Aaron trey Way, and I wanted to reach out and this call because, um, I do have a little bit of experiment or experimentation, like back when I was younger with ketamine, and you guys were talking about the whole fact that whether or not he like faked his death or if that was like a conspiracy or not. And I'm just saying that if somebody was on special okay and going into a water chamber like the way that the story played out, there's no way that somebody that knowing me, that has taken that before, would put themselves in the situation. It's just super crazy because you lose like all functionality it completely. It puts you into like hallucinations, You like pretty much crawl around on the ground. It's super strong, and I mean I know that they use it for like I was like doing some research, like the use it for anesthetic uh or anesthesia rather and use it for like chronic pain, and they use it for tranquilizers and also like the animals for like veterinarian stuff. But when human takes it, because are completely like debilitated, like you can't do anything. So I mean, I don't think I mean, if you're a human person and you know about the drug and you're familiar with it, there's no way that you would take it and then go into even like a two foot pool what let alone like submerge yourself in water, because you can't control anything that's going on. But anyway, those are my thoughts on it. Um. I think that it sounds super fishy, and I really like listening to that episode. You guys are you guys are awesome and I always am looking forward to the next episode. All right, man, you guys have a good night. All right, someone who has actual experience with ketamine, that was some good insight for us, because, at least for me personally, I've only read about this drug online and its effects and never heard anyone actually say this is what it does outside of the forums that you can find online. An arrow late or something. Um. Yeah, it's it's interesting to think about that drug when applied to being in a deprivation tank. That seems like a bad idea. And I think we were. I think we mentioned that it seemed like a bad idea. Um. And that's perhaps one of the reasons why a lot of people thought there may be something fishy going on with with his death. Yeah, and to your point, Nudy tree Wick, Aaron trey Wick, the subject of that episode, he was familiar with ketamine. Yes, as far as we he had experimented with this substance before, So I can see with that information why this would seem fishy when we talked about the death of Aaron trey Wick. Originally, I don't think I mentioned it on air, but it reminds me of a strange episode as something that happened to me off air years and years and years ago. I had a series of circumstances. I ended up owning some lizards. We have to go into it, and I got feeding them. Yeah, I was figuring out what to feed these creatures. Where the herbivorous, where the omnivorous? Were they carnivorous? Um? So I can say what kind they were I'd rather not, so I fed them. I fed them crickets. And I went to a pet store to buy crickets, and the guy who sold me the crickets it, well, are you what are you going to do with these? I assume you're going to buy them to feed another animal. And I said, yeah, that's that's the plan. And he said, okay, we'll watch out because crickets are stupid. And I didn't understand what he meant, but I kept the crickets in a separate container and they drowned in in a very small, still amount of water. I had no idea what I was doing, you know, I just put out a dish of water. And it was weird because they remained they remained immobile and appeared to they appeared to drown. I I am not a you know, a cricket surgeon or whatever. I don't know what happened, but it was distressing to see things apparently dying in in a way of dying in such a sedate fashion. And so I believe in that episode, we concluded that aside from a couple of troubling things, there's there's not a lot of dents that Trey Wick was murdered except for some stuff with the door, right, Yeah, the door was unlocked, I believe, and generally when someone is in using one of those sensory deprivation tank rooms at that facility, the door is locked. And now we have another piece to this story, because as Nudi says, there's not a person who has used ketamine in the past would not put themselves in a situation. That's what you said, right, You would not put what yourself in a situation where there's a potential for you to asphyxiate or to drown when you have lost mobility under the influence of this drug. And it also brings up the fact that perhaps it was a purposeful thing. And I think we mentioned this to the idea that you can reach, at least what I was reading on the forms, you can reach such a euphoria with ketamine or such an outer body experience that perhaps, um, dying while you're on that drug may not be such a terrifying experience, or it could be the most terrifying experience. Who knows, but um, Again, it's really difficult to say anything conclusive about Aaron trey Wick's death as far as what truly caused it. And why now did he have ketamine in his system or I thought that I remember hearing that they found it in his clothes, like like a like a baggy of it or whatever. But was there autopsy results that indicated that he was in fact on the drug at the time. You know, honestly, I'm not sure. I might have to listen to the episode again. Um. You know, they believed that he did have ketamine both on his person and in his system into the autopsy. All right, Well, there you go a lot of unanswered questions. They're still thank you so much, Nudy for giving us a call. Let's move on to a gentleman who has some information about an exercise of sorts that occurred back in the day. Hey, So, I just wanted to say that I've been listening to you guys show a lot. I never really was into conspiracies at all, but I love the thought that you guys put into the conspiracies that you do. I've been listening to a lot of your older stuff and I came across the Operation Jade Helm episode and I thought it was really interesting because I'm actually currently serving in the Army Reserves and during one of our summer training exercises. It was a month long and we were actually in direct support of Operation jade Helm. We only were told that it was Operation jade Helm. We're an ordinance unit and so basically we were told we were just going to go run AMMO. When we asked what we were running AMMO for, they just said, we're just we're just running AMMO. Uh. And we noticed that the guys were coming in to get the AMMO. We're not conventional units, so that was about all we knew about it. But I just thought it was really interesting that you guys are talking about, um, the government keeping all these things secret from civilians and stuff like that, but they kept it secret from even people who were directly involved in the operation. It was one of those things where I got back home from this training exercise and I was talking to someone who always has been kind of into conspiracies and stuff like that, and I said, yeah, it was called Operation jade Helm, I think, and then he told me everything about it. Well, you know, I can I have no idea what exactly was going on in this operation, so I can't even tell you anything even if I wanted to. It was one of those things where they kept it a secret from us, and I imagine all the other hundreds of support personnel that we're involved in that exercise. So I just thought I would tell you guys that I thought it was interesting. Thank you, say, thank you so much for calling in. This is a This is another caller who did not identify themselves by name. Correct you you may find this of interest in In regards to jade Helm. In twenty fifteen, President Barack Obama name dropped jade Helm. He said it is his favorite conspiracy theory. Really in in November, I think in an interview with g Q. Yeah, and while it may seem strange to some civilians in the audience, this idea that you may you may be a member of the military or in support of an operation and not be told what the ultimate aim of that operation is. While that may seem strange, that's not unusual. You know, the left hand and the right hand don't need to know what the other is doing, correct, Especially if you're just loading everybody's weapons up with ammunition. They're just like, just keep it, olmen. That was one of my favorite parts of the story too. Why are we running ammo? We're just running ammo? It's all good, and then all the guys, all the units show up and they don't look like conventional units, and you're just going, Okay, I guess this is what we're doing now, jade Helm. This this was interesting and fastening for us because this was an ongoing orum imminent events when we recorded the episode, right, yeah, And there were so many questions. You had places like The Atlantic, fairly reputable source like talking about this is weird, this is a strange exercise. What it It's huge, all these companies getting together selling weapons, then all of these units getting together and testing out the weapons, um and ammunition, and what is it? What? What really is this thing? And then they didn't have a jade Helm sixteen or seventeen or eighteen or nineteen, at least that we're aware of. Maybe they just changed the name so none of us would know, or maybe it's like Hines fifty seven and it's a part of the hand. There's no fifty eight, there's no fifty six. Yeah. The next one is called Dark Boots nineteen. The botne uh. There is one interesting thing that I don't think made it into the original episode, And this may be of interest to anyone who dug into jade Helm, both the actual event and the speculation surrounding it. In retrospect, us intelligence agencies said that they they found evidence. Again. According to them, they found evidence that a lot of the fear and hysteria surrounding jade Helm, and a lot of the conspiratorial thinking surrounding it was a product of Russian disinformation. Did you hear about it? There was a Facebook page called Heart of Texas that promoted these ideas and in Facebook shut it down because it is associated with a Russian company known for promoting disinformation. Again, this is a quartery. This is Uncle Sam's side of the story, so your individual results may vary. There you go, there you go. Well, thank you for writing in whoever you are. Appreciate that story and giving us a little insight and personal view and stay safe out there, yes please. And I really want to know more about just like an ordinance crew like that, Like what does that look like when you're you are tasked with making sure that everybody has the correct ammunition and enough of it and all that. Um, I've never thought about it compartmentalized that much, where there's literally a crew of people who are running ordinance like that, but it makes so much sense you would need you would need that to be a thing. I just it's never struck my mind as someone who's never served in any way whatsoever. And we have a lot of people in various military intelligence services who tune into this show. So within the bounds of what you are comfortable telling us, do you have some information that you would like to share with your fellow listeners regarding things like jade Helm or maybe domestic or international operations of which the average citizen would likely be unaware? Yeah, that is not going to uh cause a national security incident by us playing it on the air. Please surely not. I know, just just opening that out there because we probably won't be able to play it if it if it seems scary enough to us. 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