From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or learn the stuff they don't want you to know. M Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my name is Noel. They call me Ben. We are joined with our super producer, Paul Mission controlled decade. Most importantly, you are you. You are here that makes this stuff they don't want you to know. Longtime listeners, you'll you'll note that recently we have been exploring some things that are more of the modern world. Corporate cover ups, ongoing investigations into hidden burial places, and things of that nature, many of which do point to genuine conspiracies, not conspiracy eeries, but genuine conspiracies. Today we are delving into something a little bit different. We're delving into a realm of spirituality, a realm of allegedly magic, and the area wherein science, magic and linguistics are said to converge. Let's start with angels today. Angels, at least in the Western world, have a pretty solidified image. You know, most most people in the West if you ask them just immediately to describe what an angel looks like, unless they've done some further reading. They're going to picture a humanoid being, probably in a flowing robe or maybe nude, but androgynous and shining brightly. There's a lot of white involved, pair of large feathered wings, maybe multiple pairs, sprouting from the back. And sometimes the angel will also have a a halo or a herp, a halo being a circle of light, sometimes depicted as a band of some shiny golden metal above their head. This of course, does not match one to one with many biblical descriptions of angels, which this this is something you'll appreciate, Matt. From the X Files, there is a fantastic depiction of an angel in an episode on the nephel Um. Do you remember that one with the Sickly children. Yeah? Man, it's a little hazy for me, but that sounds familiar. Are they were the sickly children the Nephelum? They were like children or they were actually Nephelum they spoiler alert, Yeah, they were actually Nephelum and they had these mysterious genetic disorders. But they were being murdered one by one by a divine agent, which was an angel, and towards the very end spoiler alert. Here's your chance to turn back. Now. Three to one spoilers the towards the end of the episode, where you actually see this creature attacking someone, It's faces shift because in some biblical descriptions of angels they have multiple faces. And of course there are many, many different types of angels, depending on which civilization or culture you are investigating. Man, I was certain you were going to say it was the chupacabra all along. There is a chupacabra episode of X Files, and I believe in that episode three to one spoilers is a It is a fungal agent, an infection creates chabra. I believe someone that that may be a different show, but there's so many X Files episodes I have to say. Nephelim sounds like a great name for a metal band doesn't exist, and the Sickly Children great name for an album by sad metal band. Neilham is a band. Yeah, yes, of course I believe that episode of Exiles we're referencing was called All Souls, and yes I do remember that episode. And they're not as good as the writers of X Files are at this time. They are not making this up out of whole cloth, as the item goes. Instead, they are cribbing from beliefs of ancient civilizations far older, by the way, than the religions of the book, far older than Islam, Judaism, or Christianity. In fact, most ancient civilizations in the world believed in this concept of angels or something very much like them, benevolent spirits representing a more powerful deity. So they were almost like minor deities. They could do little miracles. They were not as powerful as God, or not as powerful as whatever the supreme uh you know, final boss deity was in a belief system, but they had a heck of a lot more agency in power than mortals. Well, maybe agency is a tough word. There's huge argument about angels and free will that dates back to the beginning of a lot of myths. So it's important to note here that not all angels are necessarily good. We're gonna bust an angel stereotype today. We'll get to that later on in today's episode. And here's this is fascinating. So while the belief in angels or something like these benevolent intercessing spirits, maybe ancient, it persists in the modern day and the statistics may surprise some of us listening. According to a two thousand eleven poll that was published by CBS, seventy seven percent of adults in the United States believe angels are real. This is usually, of course, tied to religion. Eight percent of people identifying as Christian and people identifying as Evangelical Christians, along with nine of people who attend weekly religious services of some sort, say yes they believe in angels. And a pause here, because that's a that's a tricky question. That statistic is worth challenge, Gene, because it all depends upon how the question is asked, you know what I mean, Like if you simply say, hey, do you if you're catching people right outside of a church service as they're on their way out, and they say, do you believe in angels, it's safe to say just based on how human psychology works, they're very much they're much more likely to say yes. There's all there's social pressure in that environment. If you did it that way, that's true, I agree and say yes, yes, of course I do. And there so often seems to be such an all or nothing approach to that flavor of religion. Sorry, flavor is a weird choice of words, but you know what I mean like it. It certainly feels like people would be encouraged to not just take the bits they like, but you have to believe in all of the lore and every part of what's in the Bible as being the truth, or at least say you do, because let's not forget there's a lot of cherry picking um from various religions, I mean, tail as old as time. But one of my favorite examples is, uh, this author who wrote a book called Living Biblically. Have you guys heard of this book? I have not? Oh wait, is this the one where he lives according to the teachings of the Bible for a period of time? And like, where's his beard long? And all of that stuff? What's the guy's name? H? A J. J. J. J. Jacobs. He was on Part Time Genius talking about this The Year of Living Biblically, one man's humble quest to follow the Bible as literally as possible. He runs into a lot of stuff that was treated with great import you know, but is generally not followed in today's modern age by most people who would consider themselves practitioners of the of Christianity or practitioners of a faith of the Book of the Abramaic variety he he ran into one are the ones that was the most surprising to me was when he ran into the band against wearing two different types of fabric. That was a big deal. You were not supposed us to do that. And so often, even people who feel that they are following the letter and the spirit of the law as determined by these religious works, they'll skip some stuff, you know what I mean, They'll have some some polyester, I'll have some nylon or whatever the band fabrics are. But you gotta do what you gotta do what you gotta do. But it may well surprise a lot of people to find that, at least according to this study, the belief in angels is so prevalent even in this increasingly secular world. So we have to ask ourselves what is it about angels that so captures human imagination even now in nine And to answer that question, we have to continue Maybe busting myths is is not a good choice words here, but we we have to continue clarifying what angels were historically and how they became um so closely as asociated with that cultural icon of the flowing robes and the harp and the halo, which again, just it reminds me of how Coca Cola managed to codify the appearance of Santa Claus. Oh yeah, yeah, it's true. It's true story. But but here's the fact. So, first off, where does the name angel come from. Well, the word itself is derived from the Greek word angelos, which means messenger Molak, the Hebrew word for angel, also means messenger. In both words quite neatly fit in with the Persian word for angel, which is a garos, similarly meaning a courier. Mm hmmm. So this so we know now that all of the earlier uses of this concept meant someone who brings a message, right, Yeah, it's not servant or child or you know, any of these other things that you kind of sometimes are scribed to angels, like the children of God in some way in the offspring of God, the servants of God. Now, these are messengers of God. And the various similarities between these preceding words and phrases has led some researchers to speculate that the earliest form of what we would call angel comes from a Sentian linear b script a kai row and this leads us to one of the most important crucial things we have to establish here. If we haven't, if we haven't clearly said it already, the belief in angels or beings like them is in no way restricted to the Abramaic religions. We just tend to hear about this viewpoint, at least the four of us. Matt Noel palm myself, because we live in the United States. We are in and of the Western world, which means that most people are going to share even if even if they do not ascribe to a specific um Abramaic religion, they're going to share that cultural view of what an angel is. You know. But this um this is not a purely Christian, Judaic or Muslim thing. The ancient religion of Zoroastrianism has beings very very similar to angels, and Zoroastrianism is its own fascinating religion that we could do a do a different episode on. We really should, because I want to dive deeper into that. It's the source of the name Mazda and cars. Actually, that's wonderful. It's it's fascinating for sure. In Abrameric religions, angels are often depicted as these benevolent celestial beings and their intermediaries between we mud walkers and God. And this makes sense right because they said earlier know them. They're primarily depicted as messengers, but they have other roles to they do other stuff. Oh yeah, sometimes they will pop down to protect someone, maybe impregnate someone. I mean, uh, that was God, right, that wasn't an angel or a dude. They also will smite people. Oh yeah, definitely. The archangels will come down and and take you out if you're doing the wrong thing. But see, it's so it's so interesting with some of the tales and philosophies behind intervention between heaven and Earth and all of these things. Ah, I love these topics so much. But yeah, so they'll protect you, they'll smite you, they might impregnate you. Um, but they're what that's about it. They'll do little tasks. Sometimes task is signed by God, so that could be anything from conveying a message to perhaps delivering someone from peril. Right, they pray to God and God sends someone. It's interesting because in some of the earlier appearances in the Old Testament, for instance, God is is a hands on manager. God shows up and specifically talks to people God will, God will directly intervene, and as the story continues, God seems to be increasingly communicating through intermediaries and the Christian faith. It's through Jesus Christ for instance, right, and the yeah, the priest if it's Catholic, Yeah, yes, spot on. And so what we see is that the concept of what an angel is and what an angel does evolved along with the commonly agreed upon understanding of the nature of God. And within these abramaic religions, angels are organized into hierarchies. This happens another religions too, but the specifics of the hierarchy may differ across various belief systems. And that leads us to angels today. Right, So fast forward thousands of years of history. We did a very quick and dirt the summary of it. Yeah, the angels got in the outfield. The angels, uh when in the airwaves? We said, yeah, that was you know, Tom Delongs angels. You know, the angels definitely did other things. They show up in the Twilight Zone. There's a lovely inept guardian angel attempting to earn its wings. That's a really sweet episode. That's one of the not depressing Twilight Zones, and that's one of the I think that's one of the only recurrent characters in the Twilight Zone universe other than you know, my boy Rod Serling. You know what I think of when I think of angels, which as far as the depiction is the depiction of angels in Dogma by Kevin Smith, where they had no genitals. Yeah, angels have been depicted as androgynous beans at time, which is strange because it doesn't really jibe with some of the ancient angel stories, which will we'll get to right And for the true believers, angels in the modern day largely function as they did in the past, more directly. They're bringing messages from a deity and accomplishing earthly task for that power, perhaps specifically focusing on one person. The belief in a guardian angel that looks after you as an individual and your individual soul is still very much in play in the world today. And this leads us to another question, which is a question we do not mean in an offensive way at all. Your personal beliefs are your own. It's a question that the world has still grappled with, which is this, Where is the proof we we have, we have compelling evidence that more than half, well more than half of uh people in the United States claim to believe in some sort of thing like this. But at this point, there has been no confirmed discovery of any physical leaving that would inarguably indicate the presence of something matching the various descriptions of an angel. There have been many alleged relics right there, not only depictions and art, but also feathers or ectoplasm that purportedly manifested during a divine sighting, interaction and situation. For lack of a better phrase, and the overwhelming mass of what people interpret as proof of angels up to this point has unfortunately been based on anecdotes, personal belief and faith. Again, this is not to deride anybody who believes in these entities, nor is it meant to dismiss your personal views. It's it's best to call it unfortunate simply because without physical, verifiable evidence, most people who do not believe in these sorts of creatures will never see a reason to change their minds. Otherwise they'll say, oh, you have a story right where let's say you had a near death experience and you spoke with something that you perceived be an angel that told you you still had work to do, and then you woke up in the hospital right miraculously recovering. You have been dead for anywhere from two to thirteen minutes or something like that, your heart wasn't beating. That's that's a very common story. As a matter of fact, I would be surprised if some of us listening today have not had a near death experience or know someone who has. However, that story is not going to convince someone who says, you know, maybe they say I'm an atheist, or maybe they say I'm a spiritual person, but I don't believe in this kind of stuff. I think it's tradition. I think it's more folklore than fact, unless there were some sort of physical evidence, because you see, there may be one more piece of proof, something that true believers feel is all too often ignored. What if, in a way, the things people call angels have left a trace on the waking world. And what if it wasn't um, you know, bones hollowed out somewhere between bird bones and human bones. What if it wasn't a massive feathers uh secreted away in some reliquary right. What if it wasn't ectoplasm in a hundreds year old vial. What if it was something a little more sophisticated, like a language. Okay, I'm in and let's learn about it. Back, let's learn about it after a quick break from from this, because we're gonna hear from our sponsor and we're back. It appears that we have not been smited yet. So here's where it gets crazy. Language a language of angels. The concept of angelic script sounds pretty bizarre at first blush right, But for centuries people have treated this concept with solemnity and seriousness. It is called Enochian script after the Biblical character Enoch. And it all originates, I mean, at least on this earthly playing with a guy named John d d e E. He'll be familiar to some of us and others might just be a vague name. So who is this guy? And he was real familiar to some from our alchemy episode. Yes, that's correct, So Mr John d uh he is welcomed into this world. Way back in fifteen seven in London. He was an English mathematician and a natural philosopher, which at the time is I guess as close as you could get to being a scientist or what would become scientists, um and the predacensor. Really, he was also a student of the occult, as we mentioned, as you might imagine knowing that he's involved in alchemy at some point in his life. But this dude was, I don't know how to put it. He was crazy educated, oh man, and at a time when very few people went to school and a literacy was rampant, because you know, honestly, many people would live their lives from cradle to grave without really needing to know how to read. He entered St John's College, Cambridge in fifteen forty two. I got a bachelor's degree there and then a master's degree. He became a fellow of Trinity College, Cambridge when it was founded in fifteen forty six. This guy's old school and influential. Then he traveled to Europe, or as they would say in British parlance, to the continent, and in fifteen forty sevent he made a short visit. Then he stayed from forty eight to fifteen fifty one studying under mathematician cartographers, people like Pedro Nounez Gama, Frisius Abraham or Tellius and Mercatur of the Mercader projection, and he also did self directed study in Paris a few other places that have been lost to history. He started turning down opportunities. The University of Paris offered him a professorship in mathematics and fifteen fifty one, and then University of Oxford offered him essentially the same thing in fifteen fifty four, but he said, no, no, no, no, no. I don't want to be an academic locked in some ivory tower. I have higher aims. I have political aims. Yeah, I wanna be a part of not royalty necessarily, but I want to be a part of the people that actually make the decisions. I'm gonna parlay this big noggat of mine some power. I could see him as both a protagonist and an antagonist in some movie where he's the extremely intelligent guy on the side, like the Jaffar figure or a resputant type figure. But yeah, but he seems to be like at least well intentioned to our to our knowledge, and he was a huge icon fairly early on in the pop culture at the time. The character of Prospero and the Tempest is based on him. It's like quote unquote widely thought to be the case. It's true. It's based on him one guy's opinion. That's just my opinion. But the evidence is there. So yeah. So he decides that he's going to join the court. He's gonna work in service of the English crown. This plan is successful. He returns to England and he becomes a member of the court because he offers to teach mathematics to courtiers and to navigators, and eventually he becomes a consultant and astrologer to Queen Mary one. And this is at this level of political power. This is similar to being both on the cabinet of the president and the astrologer, kind of like how Ronald Reagan had an astrologer. That's true, you can look it up. It's true. This this is a dream job, right, this is what he wanted. It landed him in jail in fifteen fifty five. He was charged with being a conjurer. As it happens, it let him out a little later, but but it is on the books. So this is the first time he gets a criminal record. I wonder what he conjured to get that sentence, or was accused of conjuring. I didn't. I didn't see that anywhere. Maybe it's just a tiny little imp that he was gonna have assist him in his work. What what conjuring a small homunculusus and you know whatever, Maybe it was just a small black cat. Is a homunculus like inherently have a hunch? Doesn't it doesn't homunculus have a hunch, doesn't have to, It doesn't have to have What is it? What is it? What is a homunculus? That it is a It is almost like a familiar depenion on the stories, but it's it's created life, made by an alchemist, usually with some combination of a bodily fluid like blood seamen, or you're in certain types of canations, certain types of mud and herbs. So it could it be a mud person or like a rock creature of some kind of given life. It's closer to a golem. Ah, you guys, I'm not trying to me. And I've always heard that term. I've always associated it with like an igor or like some sort of grotesque, you know, disfigured um sidekick. They are usually they are usually supposed to be um. I don't know when they're depicted. They're they're typically going to be depicted as deformed in some way or imperfect, because only in this environment, only God can create a truly perfect being. Right, so I have a I have a recipe to build a homoculous attributed to Paracelsis from his book day naturnoum in seven. If you want to hear it, can we can? We try it right now? Um, probably don't have the materials. Well, we do, but it's not safe for work. That's fair, thank you. Let's give it up. Let's just hear it. That the sperm of a man be putrified by itself in a sealed cucurbit for forty days, and the highest degree of putrification in a horse's womb, or at least so long that it comes to life and moves itself and stirs, which is easily observed. After this time it will look somewhat like a man, but transparent without a body. If after this it be fed wisely with the arcanem of human blood and be nurished for up to forty weeks and be kept in the even heat of the horse's womb, a living child grows therefrom with all its members like another child which is born of a woman, but much smaller. I have questions, does this involve having sex with a horse. No, but it says the sperm has to putrefy in the horse's womb. That's right, But it doesn't say anything about the horse being alive. So does this have Does this involve having sex with a dead horse? I don't think it has to it. That's really you know, this is the wild West of alchemy at this point. Man. Uh, that's really If that's how you want to attempt you are homoculous, then just don't tell me about it. I also heard I also heard an alternative. The horse was just an option, right that you said you could also do it in age it. When I want to hear putrefy, I'm hearing like ferment, right? Is that was that? That was how you would maybe interpret that word aging the sperm. You could do it in some kind of stone vessel. I feel like for for this guy, and did the toum the the the horse's womb is tantamount? Yeah? Well, there was a YouTube series of homuncular where this one dude was attempting to make homunculous or homuncular, and I'm pretty sure it must have been fake because of the nasty puppetry that I believe he was doing was just disgusting to look at, and the processes that he was describing and all this stuff. It was back in the day and I couldn't find it just now trying to look it up. But does anyone else recall seeing that in searching on YouTube, perhaps of a guy trying to make AMUNCULI I've seen some stuff like it, and it was I was inclined to believe it was a bit or performance art, but you know, I don't know, man, Sometimes it could be tough to tell when people are being sincere on the internet and when they're having a go, when they're having a laugh. It was Oh no, I found it. It It was a Russian YouTuber. I can't find the original one. It's a bunch of re uploads the Russian gentleman. Well sir, if you are listening, we hope you were doing well and we look forward to hearing how your experiments have worked out. And just a little plug, our buddies Joe and Robert over stuff to blow your mind, have a whole episode on how to make a homunculus and other horrors. Oh, oh, horrors. I feel like that's a that's a little bit editorializing. Yeah, but so aby, how are the John Yes, So he also had this interest in the occult. Clearly he's an astrologer. This is the time when natural philosophy represents both a mixture of what we would recognize the science today and what we would recognize as magic or the belief and such. He published something called the monas Hieroglyphica, the Hieroglyphic Monad in fifteen sixty four, and he made it through a secession of power. When Elizabeth the First descended to the throne in fifteen fifty eight, he became one of her scientific and medical advisors. And then he was bawling so hard that sometime during the mid fifteen sixties he built his own laboratory in Mortlake, which was an area near London. He amassed the largest private library in the country, had over four thousand books in manuscripts. This is in the fifteen sixties. You know how long it took to make a book in the fifteen hundreds, and just to get that many books from all across the world probably, And he continued like, let's look at his scientific pursuit. So he worked extensively with cartographers, navigators, people that he considered intellectual peers, or even people that he thought were just asking interesting questions. Because he was a one man library, he would loan out these books, he would have people over to read his books and his works. He published widely across various disciplines. Uh, stuff like the Banger Hit General and rare Memorials pertaining to the Perfect Art of Navigation in fifteen seventy seven. Uh. And then he published stuff like an Aphoristic Introduction his views on natural philosophy and Astrology in fifteen fifty eight. And this is pretty cool. He actually edited the first version of Euclid's Elements into English, which is was extremely helpful. Thank you for doing that to all people that came after you, John. That was in fifteen seventy And he also had this this I mean, we kind of talked about it already, but he was so into the occult. And I think it's because it's that thing that we discussed on this show all the time, that line right between magic and science, and he's already kind of writing that line a little bit throughout his his spiritual pursuits as well as a scientific pursuits, and he just thought the occult was the coolest thing, and it grew and grew and grew his interest in this and um that thing that we talked about, the hiero glyphic monad that we um just mentioned up top, because in that he proposed this single mathematical symbol, magical symbol that was the key to unlocking basically everything. It was like the one the one solution to the unity of all things in nature. Yeah, the as above so below. Yeah, it's it's true. And it's strange because his interest in the occult seems to grow step with his frustration at scientific pursuit. He felt that there was a veil between him and in the true nature of reality. And it's so interesting to me how in these days that whole pursuit of scientific um knowledge was very much intertwined in general, more more, much more so than today when the world seems so separate. Man of science, man of God and all that, and a lot of the things that he that you know, we look at as being um, mystical sort of or a little bit more occult kind of got broken off. The whole idea of the monad and all that into philosophy. So that's it's almost like create birth the whole another pursuit kind of if you think, I don't know, it's interesting. Yeah, yeah, in the same way that alchemy lead to chemistry. Right, this is so far. Let's call him the Daytime John d. Right, he's good, he's brilliant. He's got a centric interest in the occult. But how far did it go? What does he have to do with angels? Let's get to them after a word from our sponsor. So here we have John D's in the halls of power. He is considered a world class authority on all manner of scientific pursuits and disciplines and exercises and philosophy. He's also an unhappy dude. He's getting increasingly frustrated because he wants to build a comprehensive understanding of the natural world. And so, in let's say, maybe desperation or just in the next step of his continuing quest, he began seeking supernatural or divine assistance. He attempted to speak with angels in the hundreds. By the way, you ran a a severely high risk of death or dismemberment by saying that you didn't believe in angels, So anyone who doesn't count yourself lucky today right in Fife specifically, he began performing a long series of magical research projects. Earlier that year, when he was around fifty four, he had written in his journal that God had sent quote good angels to communicate directly with human beings, and so he had set himself up to make contact with these angels. But he had a problem. You see, he was not a medium. He had attempted to scry and found that he had no ability to see the other side or interact with it. Scrying is the act of a meditative divinatory act, wherein you might stare into a crystal ball, for instance, or in some cultures an obsidian mirror or a container of water. I always thought is when you look at top card of your library and you decided to put it either on the back, on the top or on the bottom of your library. But that's what That's a cool move in magic? Are you still playing magic? What I'm talking about? Scrying? Bro real magic? All right? Okay, that's right. Matt does scry with a deck of cards. He let me look at this. What is that? Terror? Okay? Oh? I thought you can say seven of clubs. But that is not your card. So those are the kind of results that John D was having. He just he couldn't he couldn't divine this stuff, and he was honest enough with himself is very important. He was honest stuff with himself to say, well, I'm not doing it. I'm not going to delude myself. I am certain that this talent exists, but I am likewise certain that either I had do not have it, or I don't have a strong enough capacity to learn it. So eventually he did find a medium, or at least he thought he did. He had old numerous seances in England and other European countries across the continent, in the company of his hired medium fellow named Edward Kelly, who will get to in a moment, but it's very important in this story. In his attempt to contact angels, D was seeking that universal language of creation. He thought it would bring about a pre apocalyptic unity of human kind. He thought that everyone, despite their differences, knowing this language would discover some sort of um tangible and supernatural and philosophical truth about the nature of the universe and Earth and humanity's place in it, and that this would promote peace, this would stop pointless wars. Someone like a somewhat utopian, right. I can totally see where he could get that belief. It sounds very similar to some of the stuff we've been discussing earlier with the whole Watchman AUSI mandious thing like if we all had that one connection for sure, for certain that makes the world bigger than us, then maybe we would all get along. Yeah, we have a we have a lot of them. One stop shoppery in in in the story of Human Aims. Right. The guy who who created Esperanto also thought that it would help end the war because everyone would speak the same language. Yeah, Esperanto is a great language, by the way, very few people speak it, but it's a great language. I just remember like researching it back in the day for the old website and learning about William Shatner's wonderful film. Well, well, let's so John d He totally thinks that's gonna happen, right, and he goes to some pretty extensive lengths to try and make it happen, to to try and prove that it's true. Yeah, they have He and Edward Kelly have hundreds and hundreds of sessions from eighty two until fifty seven, and and during these sessions they come to believe that they are communicating regularly with actual angels, and they each have their role to play. They're they're like a two man band. So D will be the orator and the supplicants, so he will be asking these questions. He will ask them often by directing prayers to God and God's arcangicles, and then he would invoke them to manifest themselves in his scrying stone. For him, it was a black obsidian mirror. I don't know if you guys have seen those in person, but they look really cool. It kind of gives you like a sort of a blurred kind of reflection, right, black mirror esque. Yeah, and Kelly would act as the ski er. So SOD is invoking these powers and asking them things, and Kelly is watching for their reactions. He would see visions rejected in this mirror and he would describe them to D and then D would write them down. So cool, and everything picks up steam around the year fifteen eighty two or fifteen eighty three. Yeah, that's when John d and Edward Kelly claimed to have received communication directly from the angels. Who supposedly allegedly provided them with the foundations of this language which can be used to communicate with the other side. Um. This angelic language had its own alphabet, syntax, grammar, all of which they wrote down in their journals, and they dubbed this new language Enochian, which of course sprang from D's idea that the biblical patriarch Enoch, sort of a Methusilah esque figure in the Bible, was the last human to know this language, and D in common conversation, preferred to call this language angelical or the celestial speech. He also called it the first language of God Christ and particularly it was fond of calling it ademical like Adam Keel, because he claimed it was the language spoken by Adam, the biblical Adam and the Garden of Eden during the naming of all of God's creatures, walk the earth, swim the sea, fly in the air. That's that's an interesting concept that Adam somehow spoke the same language as all of the angels. Yeah, well way, oh is he going to speak Esperanto? Well, you know, it's so make It makes so much sense though, if you're you're coming from heaven, where all the angels already exist, and you're going to bestow life upon this creature in this new world, in this new place. Yeah, you teach him the like what do you know that? Wow? And it's interesting because for d at this time, this is not a crazy assumption. This is barely an assumption. He had not conceived of a world in which people could exist without language, you know what I mean, Like at this time, in the fifteen hundreds, there's not going to be anyone arguing for the slow evolution of primates right from an arboreal species to two legged people walking and and working out or accelerating their differences through a series of a series of organized noises. What what you're talking about? So, I mean, that's what I say is people were created according to the story that he had heard, and that uh, people would literally be killed for disagreeing with right at this time, so of course there had to be some sort of speech. How else would one communicate? Well, it could be in the form of dance, like in the Netflix show The o A. Oh. Yeah, that was the like the Angel language, only I think there was an alphabet. There was some written versions of it in that show, but it was largely it was largely communicated through these amazing dance moves. I watched that so long ago, although it wasn't that longer. Remember the dancing when a sixteen, It feels like a lifetime ago, like we're due for another season and that I'm pretty sure it got green lamp. Yeah, they just had the one season so far. I think it did get renewed, but I don't know when it's going to come out. It would be nice because maybe they could answer even one of the questions to post in season one. But but at least Punish your two is out right now. Yeah, really only not doing very well. I don't care. It's so good. I enjoyed it. I feel like I get it. You know, he gets me, so so Punisher aside, these beans with whom d and Kelly were in communication told them that being able to speak this language, being able to speak this ancient pre human anachi and tongue, would unlock the doors to unlimited knowledge, wisdom, and power. So let's let's get away from those claims. Let's look at what what it actually is. You can go online as you're listening to this episode, and you can scroll through different analyzes and interpretations of versions of this alphabet. It is composed of a twenty one letter alphabet. It was written from right to left, unlike English. There are two different versions. The first is in the manuscript that d created called the First Five Books of the Mysteries. The second, which is a more widely accepted version today, comes from a book called liber Loge, which is allegedly based on Kelly's original drawings. It's got forty nine great letter tables or squares that are made up of forty nine by forty nine letters, and it's said to be the first corpus of text in this purportedly angelic language. But the thing is, Dean Kelly said, the angels never translated the text in that book. However, a year later there were some texts that emerged that did come with English translations, and therefore we see this as providing the basis for anachi in vocabulary. The texts have poetic verses, their forty eight of them. D in his Manuscripts calls them the Angelic keys, and each key is assigned a specific function within this magical system. D you see, was planning to use them to open the forty nine gates of wisdom or understanding represented by the forty nine magic squares in in this pre existing book. So that's the that's long and short, but surprise, it gets complicated. I mean, just what am I doing with my life if I if I can't have a goal like unlocking the forty nine, the forty nine Gates of Wisdom, you just don't have magic squares. That's just so cool, isn't it. If Like, if I go, I'm going every day I'm toiling in the basement somewhere trying to It's really important not to compare yourselves to others. That's what social media is. It's causing us to do. When I was in UM, when I was carded off to this smart kids camp in a different lifetime, one of the things that they made us swear to do they were pretty lax on everything, but one of the things they made us do was swear not to leave a place they called the Magic Square. And one of the other kids that was there with me was convinced that that it was evidence of some sort of devious arcane Shenanigan. WHOA, I think it was just the name. Yeah, it wasn't salt or anything. You're sure, well, I mean no, but seriously, unlocking the forty nine Gates of Wisdom is like the best quest that you could ever find in a video game. That sounds incredible, But he John D. Was trying to do that. I r L Yes, yeah, And that leads us to a question, did he succeed? What a great question. Because of the loss of parts of his original manuscripts, there are multi double at times conflicting interpretations regarding the meaning, validity, or authenticity of this language. Almost immediately after it was first published, the language was met with suspicion, skepticism, and not a small dose of hostility, because by the sixteenth and seventeen centuries, this enoch In script was considered legitimate proof of communication with other worldlier supernatural beings. Not angels, however, demons. That makes so much sense to me, just the idea that a human could never reach the heights of the heaven too, of heaven the heavens to communicate with God. But if you are attempting communication like that, a treacherous demon from down below is going to intercede and then give you lies, essentially on purpose, the corruption yep, to mislead you, right to put you in rebellion against the true powers that be, and the whole time you'd think that you're in communication with angels. One of the supporting platforms for that argument would be the idea that the devil and infernal forces typically used deception and trickery right to lead people away from the light. They also be angels or supernatural entities that created this language or communicated in it. Were said to have discredited the existence of the Holy Ghost. These kind of claims the the idea that you shouldn't pray to or through Jesus Christ, or that the Holy Ghost doesn't exist. They directly attack the foundations of Christianity, and this caused people to conclude that the quote unquote good angels that d and Kelly contacted were actually demons. Demons in this sense could be a reference to fallen angels, the formerly divine creatures that rebelled against God, prompting a war in heaven and were cast down into the pit or escaped to the earth, or you know, it could be h could be a reference to the watchers and also occur in the Book of Enoch, right, the angels that were supposed to keep an eye on mankind, you know what I mean. The babysitters more or less, but then lost their way, slept with the daughters of men and created Nefilim. Weren't those the big rock monsters from the Darren Aronofsky and Noah movie. Yes, they were. Yeah, the coolest part about that movie. But but but very out of left field. It kind of like threw me for a loop. Hold on. Yeah, but again, we were talking about skepticism at the time and everything, and you know, I can hear some of you out there. Um, I can hear the skepticism in my headphones from the future. I can just hear it. I'm listening to it. I can hear it because it's happening within me. Um. Up there it is. Again, it's just kind of a general stress. Um. But but that knock, I'm not sure what it was, um, but it's I guess it's just you. You kind of have to put yourself in them and really in the mindset. And that's what we've been trying to do in building up to this. You know, where we are giving you the history and the kind of the background of this stuff. You just have to put your mind yourself in the mindset of somebody in the Freds that truly, truly believes these things. And this is your This is um the concrete upon which your entire you know, world is built. So just remember that and don't scoff at it. Yeah, don't be I mean, don't be dismissive. Look, there were people who lived, you know, five hundred or two thousands something years ago. Nowadays, it's it's alarmingly easy for people the modern age to dismiss those folks and say, oh, that was that was so uneducated, or how could you believe this kind of thing, you know what I mean? But we are benefiting from centuries and millennia of progress that none of us living had anything to do with. We are standing on the shoulders of giants, and we are ourselves making assumptions that will look cartoonish to people even twenty years from now. And we say all of that because it wasn't necessarily in any way the spiritual nature of the claims. That were the things that seemed that that people were most skeptical of. Yes, okay, So for the people who outright said this is flynn flammery, this is malarkey, this is balder dash. There were two primary factors that indicated to them, this whole thing was a fraud. First, Edward Kelly, who mentioned Edward Kelly Alchemists self described to medium partner in this X spluration with John D. He had another life before his foray into the spiritual frontier. He was a known counterfeitter. He had been arrested for forgery, he had been pilloried, he had been to the dogs and back. So that makes him, you know, a person of questionable character. Secondly, the prophecies mentioned in the Enochian communications don't actually come true, even relatively mundane and specific ones, Like there was a claim that D would one day be tried for treason. It was not. So maybe they're misreading the timeline. Maybe it's a syntax error and translation. But still, if you're not getting things right and you're working with somebody that already has a reputation as a John D, you know, it really does kind of make you question why he's choosing to go this route. True, that's a good point, but we can see how there was already a contingent of people that said, all right, everyone, I know this sounds really cool, but we have to checker sources. Right, let's go to the modern day. This language, the script is still around, and now our species has vastly more sophisticated tools, techniques, and in a more profound understanding of how language in general is created, composed, and continues to evolve. We now have people who travel around the world just to find dying languages or just to find new languages that are that are blossoming across the planet. So for true believers in the modern day, this stuff is the real deal. Maybe not specifically angels. Maybe d and Kelly didn't know exactly what they were talking to, like those old warnings against wigia boards, but regardless, people who consider themselves practicing magicians will often say this is a proto language, arguably one of the first languages, and as such it has incredible mystical power. Speaking things like this, declaring them alters reality, very very very potent stuff. But for linguists and for skeptics, the structure of the language just does not match up with what we know about every other human language. One of the primary critics of this is a guy from Australia. His name is Donald Lake, and he argues that the phonetic features of this language anachi in or ademical script, indicate that it was a form of gloss alalia, which is speaking in tongues, which we have still somehow not done an episode about, which is fine because when you say gloss al yeah, it sounds like speaking in tongues. This picture like la la la la la la lada. It sounds like a Cerros song to me. Yeah, And that's totally what they do, right, Isn't that like made making up a language like on the Fly's kind of I believe at least one album had featured that heavily. I thought that was their whole thing, was they have a language that vaguely sound Icelandic, but it's actually kind of their own thing. It's like a hagan dahs. Good lord, that would that would blow my mind. I thought it was just that one concept album that they did that. Maybe maybe you might be right. I'm not like a super fan. I like their music, but I always heard that that was a thing. Maybe maybe I was hearing that specifically about one one record. Let us know, folks, what languages Cigar Rose speaking? Save us the Google search, So he doesn't end there. Donald also argues that the syntax of a Nachian is almost identical with that of English, rather than Semitic languages like Arabic or Hebrew, which declaimed we're direct degraded descendants of a Nachian. And now most linguists are clearly going to agree that this is not the secret language of angels? But is it an actual language? If it was a fraudulent enterprise, was decomplicit in the deception? Was he in on the joke? Was he an accomplice or a victim? Yeah? And how much money did he make? Really? In the end, how much money do these guys make talking about their angelic language. I'm interested. I'm gonna look it up, but I don't I haven't seen an actually any of the actual numbers there. And again, how much was like hidden if there? If money was made, I in my for my money, I would say that just this is my opinion. D would probably believed it, just from what I know about him and what I've learned about him and how intelligent he was, unless he was just trying to find, uh, you know, a quick fix for money, But it doesn't seem like he would need that. It seems like he truly believed it, and maybe he got duped by Kelly. That's what it feels like to me. Yeah, that's I think that this is a viewpoint. A lot of people would agree with Matt because in he his work on the subject, Donald Lacook is clearly impressed by the consistency of the system of of the language of the script at least, and he notes that it exhibits a deeper understanding of the Kabbala, specifically than he would assume someone like Edward Kelly possessed. But he still believes this is a fraud. He does not believe this is an otherworldly dictation or an exercise and automatic writing. He thinks that Kelly most likely engineered this in pursuit of a quick quid, and that D was a sincere partner who was unaware of the deception. In his mind, Kelly was surreptitiously looking through the works of John d or his papers and cribbing that so that he could build something that looked convincing to someone who would have D's knowledge. And you can do that without understanding what you're mimicking, right, that's terrifying concept. I mean, it happens, uh. And Donald also believes there's evidence that Kelly he was working off of small notes in his sessions. It's interesting in Kelly's book on the subject, you can see specific times where in the communications with the angels became garbled, and eventually Donald Lake can just concludes that Kelly literally got his notes in the wrong order, and that's why things didn't seem to make sense. Dude. Yeah. Moreover, he notes how the language this is interesting. It seems to evolve over a short period of time from when they began collecting the notes to when they're really hitting their stride. And in one passage he specifically asked a great question, it's this we have a quotation? Can Kelly have got better at producing what was required of him as time went on? He must have learned a great deal from living in close contact with D, and D's credulity would blind him to slight internal contradictions. Interesting, so would have been able to present D's knowledge back to him in a way that confirmed what D was already certain of it? And if so, after D d entered the sunk cost fallacy of investing so much belief in time in this, would he have just maybe subconsciously ignored things that were clear contradictions. There are a couple of times where D does note an inconsistency, but there are a lot of times where he lets stuff slide. So at this point is where it leaves us. People who do not believe in the existence of supernatural beings, especially angels, probably will not see the Anochian language as any solid proof. There's not we're we're not really changing any minds here. But people who do believe in in this sort of stuff, in the existence of angelic forces or even divine or infernal forces that are intangible and usually imperceivable to humans, uh, they probably won't see the indication of fraud in the Anachian language as an overall refutation of angels entire. I mean, it's kind of like saying that Australia doesn't exist because drop bears are not real? Are you saying drop bears aren't real? You're stating that saying it's I mean, send me some evidence. I don't think anyone who's ever come across the drop bear has lived to tell the tale, so I am holding off. Then how do we have stories about drop bears? Uh? Obsidian mirror? Okay, well played, all right, I'm back in. But it's true. One thing being false doesn't invalidate everything associated with it, you know what I mean. No, that makes a lot of sense. It's kind of like it's kind of like saying, well, if Tuesday's real, why isn't it tuesday? Now? You know what I mean. That's not a very perfect I just want to have my best comparison. I just want to have that kind of argument all day long. If USB is the standard, then why isn't that USB? That's not the same. So that's that's totally right. Yeah, he's got no no, no, I'm just I'm just some guy who doesn't speak knocky and not yet, not yet. We want to hear from you, however, Thank you so much for checking out today's episode. Uh, first things first, and this may be a personal question for some of us. Do you feel that it is possible to communicate with things that are perhaps beyond the pale um, something from another dimension, something from a higher plane of existence. Let's get Graham Hancock with it. Let's see what happens when you speak directly to your d n A on a d M T trip. Right. Oh man, Yeah, that sentence was great. I mean, that's that's not me, that's Graham Hancock. That's what he believes. The machine els and stuff. Oh sure, sure, but just to put those words right next to each other to get a nice ring to it. The DM, what do you think that this is a case of historical fraud? Do you think there's something else to the story? Um? And if so, what or what are some other examples of strange languages that you have encountered. 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I saw that great picture from the holiday party that we had, the like the super late January holiday party. Yeah, somebody nagged me really hard on that because Ben said, we, uh, look, we really do know how to clean up. And someone says, I didn't know a gene jacket was cleaning up and now, but the rest of me was cleaned up. Jet, you know what you're doing. You're doing. You're doing the thing the in cells do where you're just seeing that one negative. It was the only content and it was the only comment on the There are a ton of comments on the picture I saw unless you gotten to it early. It was very kind human beings. I think we looked good. The only thing that would have made that picture better is if our mysterious and enigmatic super producer Paul Mission Controlled Decade would have deigned to make an appearance. Oh no, he We can't reveal Paul Mission Control if he doesn't have that airror of mystery about him, Like what is this is basically over for people don't even understand how his last name is spelled. I'm not gonna break that illusion either. No, no, no, Omerta. Hey, just I gotta stop saying, Amerta. This is like the third episode in a row where I've just said that as a non sequity. What were you going to say? Nothing? I was just gonna say, send me your thoughts through your black ob city and mirror, because now I'm thinking we need to install one here somewhere in the office where we can, I don't know, try and communicate or send things through. Ben doesn't have a smartphone. Ben exclusively communicates via black obsidian mirror. Oh my god, look at your phones right now? Would that black mirror idea? I know we're joking, but just that concept of the black ob citian mirror, I've never actually made that connection. Nice, you're scrying. 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