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You are here, and that makes this the stuff they don't want you to know. It finally happened, folks, fellow conspiracy realists. After decades of rumors, speculation, so many reports of strange things in the sky. The United States Congress just yesterday, as we record, held a public hearing on Unidentified Aerial phenomenon, which literally everybody else calls UFOs. They also held a second, non public hearing, which we'll get to in a bit. Uh. This comes on the heels of a report published about eleven months ago. We discussed this in depth on a previous episode, and the world has been watching to see what, if anything Uncle Sam would disclose in that conversation. Today we're exploring the context of this hearing, the ramifications, what it means for the world of U ethology and the world at large. We're not diving in alone, that's right. We're thrilled to welcome back today's special guest, a good friend of ours in real life, friend of the show. You've heard him called four names before, you've heard him called j K l C. But to us, this is our good friend, the documentary and author and artist Jeremy Corbell. Jeremy, thank you for coming back on the show, especially because this is um safe to say, probably been kind of a busy time for you recently. Oh yeah, man, this is Vietnam. It's blue skies there's no rules. It's totally insane. But I'm excited to be speaking with you guys, and I'm big fans of your show and each of what you do, So thank you man. We we are very excited to have you here. Jeremy. Uh, you know, a little peek behind the curtain. We finally got on a text thread with Jeremy after you know, emailing back and forth for years. Uh, and all of us we're lively. We we've just been anticipating that something like this would happen, right, I think all of us, um, and every time where we anticipate something like that, we get excited because we feel like something big and breaking is going to occur. Someone is going to say something in this hearing that's gonna make all of us have giant eyes and just go it's real. Uh. The X Files poster behind me lets you know exactly how I feel about UFOs and how badly I want to believe Jeremy. I want to just get your initial reaction to this hearing, to the hearing itself. Yeah sure, Look, I am an eternal optimist. You know. I am accused of that on a daily basis, and I am guilty of that everyday human knowledge expands like just a little bit. And even for me, it's like, what regards to UFOs, what was science fiction yesterday is now becoming like science fact And um, yeah, man, UFOs, it's not a matter of belief that that's a data poor perspective. We now live in a world, our children will will grow up in a world that is a data rich environment. Regarding UFOs so as the kind of eternal optimist, guilty as charged. I actually, despite the lies obscation, closed door classified briefing after the open congressional briefing, what happened yesterday is a benchmark. It is a public demanded and and and actually actuated moment that is historic. We haven't had congressional hearings in the UFOs and over fifty years. Not only that, but like they showed some new footage and and and what happened was a symbol of public will. I mean fucking UFO Twitter, man, I mean people make a joke. No, you know nobody reads this ship. Oh yeah they do. Every congressman, every Senator. They're on Twitter, they're on Instagram, and they read their comments because they're vain. So like here's the deal, and because it's it's elections coming up in a lot of places. Here's the deal man. More than that, they're they're humans. They represented us man yesterday was huge. It was fucking huge, and it's important, and it's a symbol of public will and representative government. I couldn't be more excited. And this is the culmination, I would say, of a very long journey. So, folks, Jeremy and our crew have been in contact for a number of years. You're quite a prolific filmmaker, and we always I think it's what people call a good problem to have. We always end our shows together saying, ah, ship, we gotta you know, we have to come back because we didn't. We didn't even scratch the surface of some stuff. But for anyone who doesn't know, Jeremy has been in the investigative trenches, not just this subject, but many other related subjects for quite a long time, far before I would argue the quote unquote mainstream public turned their collective attention to this. So for for anyone who is maybe somehow new to your work, what got you started on this path originally? And did you ever see it leading to where we are now? I never saw it leading where I am the least qualified person to be in the position I am making films about this ship or being being on newscast like I was a mixed martial athlete, man that I started training ju Jessy when I was nine and and boxing and resting was nine years old. I never thought like a moment in my life before they started. I never thought I'd be involved. I was curious, you know, I heard Bob Lazar on the radio with George Napple like everybody else in I was thirteen years old. But but I will say I this is not a joke. To me. My curiosity was weaponized, man. And what I mean by that is I started sucking shooting health fired missiles out my brain. Like I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa whoa. Okay, you versus vast There's probably life everywhere, but they ain't coming here and then here in Bob Blazar described with George Knab the propulsion system, how like you put a bowl and ball on a bed and push your fist down under the bed and the bowl and bull will fall to your fist. It's different than rockets to roller skates, you know, traditional propulsion. I thought, whoa warping space time. That means people could come here, people from other places. So as a kid, I just got like weaponized. Man. But I was just a professional mixed martial athlete, you know, not not you know, fighting professionally, but you know you have more fights on professionally. Jeremy's got a soccerabo shirt on, by the way, you know what it is, ye killer right there? Oh, Suku is my number one, doesn't He doesn't win every fight, but he's always triumphant anyway. So it's like so so so to answer your question directly, no, man, I never thought I would be involve over this. I was not even a filmmaker, got no teaching in that way. Luckily, I got a good eye, is what they say. And I was able to be perceived as trustworthy. And the way to be perceived as trustworthy is to fucking be trustworthy. And so it took me years. Man. But that that camera that I got from my wedding gift, that was a Canon five D the shot video that was I realized the moment I turned it on. That was my passport into the unknown. People started telling me ship that they didn't tell their own wives, their own families, I mean, they shouldn't be telling me. And so what I filmed in the record I can't I can't yet put out. But like, man, that's how it started for me. It's just I am curious too. I want to know what the truth is about these objects, these physical machines that we call UFOs and are associated with all sorts of straight, huge phenomena that people would call like paranormal for lack of a better term, because we don't even know what that means. Uh, it's it's paranormal, tell us normal, right, So so what are UFOs? What do they represent to humanity? Where are we sitting in this universe? What does it mean to be part of a larger ecosystem? That's what drives me. You know, this is not something that I directly get paid for, you know, if I make any money, because I make films and products and hope people like them. But really I got a day job, man, So this for me is passionate. I love that Jeremy got a day job. Man. I remember specifically feeling that way when we started making the video series of stuff they want you to know of, Like we have a day job. We've got to make these videos for this company. Ben's writing them, I'm editing them. But our our like exciting thing that we did was make the stuff they don't want you to know Videosh, I know exactly what you mean. Those hooked me ye years and years and years ago. Man, those who might say, what do they not want me to know? What don't they want me to know? So much? So much stuff? Just to get into your curiosity and your experience here, because I think you're underselling yourself a little bit when it comes to being an expert in this, just because every every time you look at it, you're you're learning something right and you're sharing it with us with everyone. Um, you recently went on Coast to Coast with George Knapp and you were there with uh. I think Dave Foley was on the phone at one point, and you guys told a crazy story. I don't want to take away from that interview. So everybody go listen to that episode of Coast to Coast if you can, But just tell us about the experience you had with Dave Foley. Oh God, you go right into outing me coming out the closet with the UFOs, you know, Oh, the UFO guy sees the UFO. No one's gonna believe me, you know, but I'm not trying to out you do. It's I loved the story fully outed me like it was a private experience. It was so cool. But it's it's ironic. It's even more ironic. But I explained to you, so yeah, I want to Coast to us with you know, the epic godfather George Knapp from breaking stories from the mob to the mundane to the most extraordinary UFOs. This guy, George Natman, he's a national tread he's a global treasure and luckily he's guided my dumbass along the whole a you know, once he picked up my phone after two years of calling him. But anyway, so what happened We told the story on Coast to Coast. Okay, look, uh, I live in a nondisclosed location that was out of by tabloid. But I I live in a in an area that's beautiful. It's you know, got open skies and so have you heard a pioneer town specifically, it's a really cool place in the Majabbi Desert. Um. So basically, what's going on is this I'm walking with my buddy Dave Foley for those of you that don't know, he's from Kids in the Hall. He's a comic and actor, Uh, just all around hell of a guy. But he's also you know, very rationally minded and and skeptical and you know, uses his joke of cynicism. But he was turned back on to UFOs after seeing my Bob Bazar film Bob Blazar, Are you want to Fly? Saucer? So he saw that, went on the Rogan podcast, got turned back onto UFOs, you know, and we connected. So he became a friend. He came to the Storm Area fifth you one event with me and and and and he was like, oh no, I'm in, Like can I stay in your RV? I'm like, dude, I snore? Are you ready? So he earned my he earned my respect and my trust because of how he just jumped in. So look what I'm saying is, I'm just hanging out with a friend. So he makes a joke to me. We're out walking sons going down beautiful night, and he says, oh, Jeremy, I expected, um, you know, go see the UFO and expert whatever that means. And he goes there, I thought I'd see a UFO. He is sucking with me, and I'm like, okay, well, you know, very funny day. You're a comedian. You should try that out for a living. It wasn't forty five seconds after he said that that I said, Dave, turn around, and he turns around, and I wasn't sure what was going on. He turns around and look, man, people don't get this. I am not only the most one of the most skeptical people because UFOs are real, but most stories aren't. But also like I have the ability to, like I go in, I go deep, I'm monitor satellites, I'm united the International Space Station. I've got contacts, you know, within the military. Tell me something special is flying over Holy Cow. For the first time in my life, I saw an undeniable verif double verified, what we'd call a UFO. But it didn't look anything like I would imagine. It was a huge machine and it it looked to me like it looked like a like in a comic book from the nineteen forties, like Rocket Man. It was like crazy looking. And I've practiced this like quick draw with my camera where I'm like boom and I record and boom like that, and I remember saying out loud, I'm not even going to lift my camera because I'm going to miss this. I thought it was gonna be a short event. Dave's eyes go as big as saucers were looking, and we're going back and forth with this banter trying to dismiss it. What happens is an object descends at forty five degrees from our angle of observation at an extraordinary speed, and it is glowing and bright, and it fucking boom, and then it moves across laterally low. I mean, it was probably a couple of miles from us, but that's that's pretty close. I feel grateful. The most impressive part to me is different than the most impressive part to Dave Foley. He said, he you know, he describes the shape as like a hamburger with a bite out the front. It was like a I don't know whatever that looks like. But I had three big lights, almost like it was technology. Had big lights on the front. But that wasn't interesting. What was interesting was the entire body of this craft was glowing. It was it was not shining light, it was glowing. And when it slipped across the her not the horizon, but across the valley, the area where I was. It pulsed with every time it slipped, and it was like this impossible slip, and it made me think of Kenneth Arnold when he, uh, you know, said flying saucer. That was a misquote. They were. They were kind of wings shaped. It was the way it moved like skipping, skipping a stone. It's every time it moved four times like that. It moved so impossible. It was impossible. It moved so impossibly past and it pulsed with this, not the three lights on the front, the body of it. So that struck me, the magnitude of power, the energy it took to do this, no sonic booms, no sound, and we and he keeps saying, we reacted really strangely to that. He's hung up on that, and he's right, we did react strangely to it. And we thought it would be over goes zoom, you know, across across this area, and it stops and it covers over this mountain ridge and we think it's gonna end, it's gonna end, it's gonna end, And then about a minute and a half later, it just slowly descends on the other side of the mountain and I look at dave, I go, well, who's the UFO expert nowt da, Oh jeez, man, that's I can't imagine having that kind of experience. UM at least I want you guys, we I think we all want that so badly. I've never seen one like that, UM or anything like that where I couldn't, you know, explain. I had plenty of times where I look up and I'm like, oh, what the heck is that? And I can tell I can rationalize, oh, well, that's you know, a satellite. That's the way those lights are flashing. I know that's an aircraft that was built by man. I just don't know what it is or why it is there. I always bring this up whenever we talk about this kind of stuff. But I mean, I feel like I saw one many years ago in uh Kansas area. Like it was like, you know, I was on tour with a band and in the distance, very flat lands corn fields, I saw this triangular thing that just didn't make sense the size it was on the horizon, given its distance from where I was, and I was moving, and you know when you see large objects from a distance, they moved differently than close up objects. In it it stayed its course on the horizon, and I've got DV footage of it somewhere. I'm promising to dig it out. But man, I bring this up because in some of the descriptions that are we're going to hear about from the hearings, that triangular flavor of these is one that comes up. So I'm always remarking back on that memory. Oh, we're going to get into that, man. That's like saying an orange is a circle, like that two dimensional description of something that's three dimension. We're gonna get the funck into that. But yeah, no, dude, I want to see the footage. Bro, I'm gonna dig I'm moving now, so perfect timing to dig through all the archives and and put my hands on it. Yeah, I believe I need someone to hold me to. You should you should see that. You should see this smile. Jeremy just delivered with that hef of with the move everybody has. It's very relatable, I think, and speaking relatable, right, we know, uh, you know you mentioned the idea of weaponizing curiosity, which I find um incredibly compelling, and I think being curious about anything is a plus. I don't believe in dumb questions. I believe in sincere exploration of things. And one one thing that we see now is a I would say a paradigm shift in the world of UFO reporting. It's being it's being destigmatized to a great degree. And one thing that you have excelled at in the course of your investigations is you've been able to contact people or be contacted by people who ordinarily, like you said, wouldn't tell anyone about this because of that stigma. So I'm I'm curious, and I think a lot of people are curious about the process that you've found yourself engaging in to have this exclusive access to people. This we're a poor with people. I think it goes back to and then perhaps uh, most importantly, I do want to highlight this for anyone who doesn't know. One of the things that happened with Congress and with branches of military specifically, is that Jeremy got ahold of some footage that they would rather not the rather the public not know about. So, like, what's the process is that weird? Have you ever felt in physical danger? I meant to ask one question that was like twenty but you know, yeah, stigma process and what is it like releasing this stuff, and do you feel in dangerous? So you gotta remember thus four, I'm not gonna remember stigma. Okay, let's talk about that. Okay, let's start with that, but let's get to the other three. So yeah, man, look secrecy and actually, Representative Carson said this when he was setting up these you know, public open UFO congressional hearings, as he said, secrecy can serve as an obstacle to solving the UFO mystery. Well, look, man, over classification and secrecy, sorry, can really cause our minds to fill in those blanks and what's And he also said that this hearing is about examining steps that the Pentagon can take to reduce stigma. I mean, this is him saying, why you put the hearings together? So stigma and secrecy can can cause real problems when we're trying to solve any mystery. I mean, you exclude the scientific community because they're so worried, like Niodogras Tyson is so behind not this because he's so worried about keeping a public persona. They should be salivating over the the evidence we have. So stigma is like it's a cancer, man, it's a virus. So so the idea of stigma, you know, you know when we were growing up, probably uh say, in UFO you're the crazy person talking about it, But every single person had a story from top military brass too, you know a kid I met, you know, serving chai in in Rishakesh, India. Everybody had a story about UFOs that either they saw or somebody they trust I saw and told them. So this idea of stigma is it creates a dance that you have to do. And that this moves into I think your second question, which is the process right the stigma is being dissolved and and I person am fighting really hard to dissolve it because how can we have an honest, rational, open conversation when on one side you have what they call skeptics or debunkers that all they're trying to do is fit the world into their worldview. Um in the most you know, mental gymnastics worthy of a golden metal. I mean it's it's they are the conspiracy theorists, because if you believe them, you have to believe something more extraordinary functionally happened than than people are telling the truth. And it's picked up on radar. So reducing stigma is so important? How that affects my work? Right? And I was that your second question was process? Okay, how that affects my work is? Look, you know, if someone doesn't know me back years ago, it's like, I'm some guy you can look up that's just kind of like an artist guy. Maybe maybe a jiu jitsu guy that has a camera. Maybe he's even like a U f O nut you know, is in their mind. So imagine me calling up one of the top command within the us s nimits right, the battleship, and being like, hey, my name is Jeremy Corbell. I'm you know, kind of like a reporter. I make some films and uh, you don't know me, and nobody knows I'm calling you, and but somebody really important to me to call you. Can we talk for a second. I mean that the stigma BAM was about UFOs. That can be a real problem. However, if people are comfortable all of a sudden, man, do they want to tell this story because people don't listen. So now, luckily I've carved out again in order to be trust worthy in people's minds, the best way to do that is to actually be fucking try is worthy. And I have proven myself not by what I have reported, obtained and released, but by what I haven't reported or released. So people have started to trust me. So now my job is becoming easier when it comes to the stigma thing. Every single day my email is like a Vegas slot machine. At midnight, I just bom coming in reports from military too, by the way, civilian, because we capture you off as more than anybody. So that's the process, the process of earning trust. Once you've earned trust in one way, which for me started really with George Knapp. Took me two years to get the guy to call me back. And that's a funny story if you want to hear and have time, but whatever called me back, and then and then from there he's guided me as a mentor, I mean, you know, straight up, and I'm so grateful for that. And I can name drop him sometimes that really helps. But now now you know, because with witnesses it's difficult. He's a trusted journalists. But now people are coming directly to me, people from within our intelligence communities, analysts, military people at high rank and just beginning in our military process, and they are at their own peril and risk oftentimes supplying me with footage and documentation of one of the greatest mysteries that we have, which is the the UFO mystery. So that's the process and that stigma. And there was one last question, which is physical. Let's let's go into this one. Yeah, did you ever feel that you were maybe in physical danger or were you ever did anybody exercise intimidation tactics or something that's That's something a lot of our audience is curious about. Well, while I'm clumsy, so I'm always worried about physical danger and my wife is my alien overlord boss, and it's threatening me constantly for the reason because I should be UM. Other than that, no, man, I have always been assisted, never resisted when it comes to the military process. Like you know, people want there's a numerous people that want this information public too. I just want to make sure I'm on the right side of the law. I'm dealing with sensitive information. If if I get footage you know, there was filmed by an agency UM in an active war zone that might show capability on our side or even optics uh capability. UM. I need to make sure I don't want to hurt I have no reason to try to harm the United States and what they're doing in the Department Offense. So I've tried to be as transparent as possible without revealing sources to the mechanisms of government that would like to know about this. I actually send a lot of what I get. Um Well, that sounded weird. I don't just send it. I inform our UH Department of Defense of things that I'm going to release once it's for sure going to be released, and I make sure that there's nothing I don't know about that. And usually they're grateful. They're you know, caught ruffle some feathers because why do I have it and they don't but like because I should be obsolete, because the process should be better for people, and they understand that I understand that I'm fighting to try to get an immunity process set up so when George and I put stuff out, you know, it doesn't hurt national security, and there's immunity for people because they can go on a hunt. But I'm pretty good to cover my tracks. So that's I've never been threatened, not a day of my life, not by not by military government people, I mean by individuals every day people are crazy. What can you do? Right? But but not by our military. To answer your question directly, no, no, I've never felt any kind. They did an investigation into my sources and Georgia's sources, and I get that I would do the same thing, but no, never, never a threat. Everyone. I think, Yeah, that congratulations, Um, yeah, because it's I mean, I don't know, it does seem it does seem dangerous. I think just from this end, when you talked about you know, high ranking officers, low ranking officers who are stationed, you know, for the Navy on let's say, a destroyer like the Russell of the nimits, people who are actually filming footage through whatever mechanism they're using, you know, on on one of those destroyers, on one of those battleships like the Amaha and the Russell and two nineteens specifically, is what would reference closest to what you're saying. Yeah, exactly, So I mean this is military personnel. Um. I think that just over the conversations that we've had on the show over the past couple of years, it has really been that, uh, that has been the difference a military personnel shot footage that we can now see and the Pentagon confirms, Yes, yes, the Pentagon confirms that this is footage of unknown you know, something of unknown origin, or at least do you want to know what happened after that last release? By the way, I think people I don't think people know this, so this is like in the minut show. But why did the Pentagon confirm the first three videos and all that. I think it was six photos that George and App and I released, and then on that last one it was like the least impressive visually, but it's like dark and there's these little lights over it, which is, by the way, a really important piece of footage. I'll explain why. Why did the Pentagon say we can't comment. That was what they said in the official foyas and when people emailed why on that one after that huge run of releasing stuff where they're like, yep, that's real, Yep, that's real. I'll tell you why. I made sure they were in a position to know that they did it was true before I ulickly released them with all the other footage. There was a policy shift that was a reaction the moment George, Nap and I kind of were on a roll with these and I will tell you're gonna have to take my word for it, but I think there is documentation of it. They changed policy when they saw what was going on with the content, the corroborative video evidence that we released me and George and now any U. I don't want to say it, but any u A p footage is designated all caps secret, non share, even with allies. So so they tried to boom put a stop to the leaks at that moment, and they they the word I can't comment on that last piece, which is deck footage from the US is Omaha. So that's why that happened. That's what's in place now. What they did not anticipate that tenfolded people reaching out to me, it's unfolded. It can you describe that for just a little more so people listening can look it up and find it. Sure. So I think the important part is if you go to like my Instagram, because that's why I dropped everything first, which is just at Jeremy Corbell. You can see with all the description right, you can see exactly the details that are factual and I know for sure. And then I put out in pread a proof of the footage. I'm talking about the last piece in that four video set of footage, there's three pieces of evidence from the uss Omaha specifically, with the fourth wage is a green pyramid from the U S. S. Russell, all the same event in two thousand nineteen off the coast California. Out of the four pieces of footage, you have flear forward looking in for red, which is thermal video of an object that appears to descend into the water that are military I thought was trans medium and they set a submarine to try to go after either wreckage or the craft itself. Then I provided radar footage and this is actual radar from the U S. S oh Maha of these unidentified swarming that Navy warship and wow, moving damn fast if you listen to to what is said in there. And then of course I released the So there's three pieces of footage there. I released the deck footage. It's called and it just looks like inky black darkness, right and it's just got these lights. But why that last piece of corroborative video evidence is important because this is as a kid, what I always wanted was military film from multiple angles, different sensor platforms. And then official class formerly classified now non classified documents because I released it, which is that one slide from us that is evidence man, And so all of that together, that last piece of footage, what people will see is this inky blackness and these kind of like amber red looking lights. But what's important is that that excludes glitches within the radar systems. That these were light, they were powered, they were crafts. So each thing together adds a piece to the puzzles. So you just look at this kind of keep blackness with lights. But that piece of footage was so important or additionally important, and it was that was the one where they stopped us. They cut us off, they turned off the Well, the Pentagon says, we're not confirmed in anything else. Well, I got the entirety of all that footage. I only gave them pieces. So there is more. We're gonna pause here for word from our sponsor, and we'll be back with more from Jeremy Corbell. And we're back with more from Jeremy Corbell. I think it's interesting being able to get in on something on the ground floor, um that you know, maybe when you get in on it, you don't even know it's the ground floor. Yet it's just something that you're interested in, and it doesn't really even exist in a way that ultimately will I think about that in terms of podcasting, we were very lucky that we had a podcast when they were like ten podcasts, So it's not the best comparison. But you've been asking these questions and dealing with that stigma for years. I mean, we have to you very specifically around this discipline these types of questions. How does it feel to I mean, is it is it a kind of vindication? And how does it empower you to move forward? To have a member of Congress more or less apologize and say, hey, this stigma has essentially, you know, created an environment where pilots don't want to report things that could actually be helpful and valuable because at the end of the day, the justification is all about national security. That's what this is all wrapped up, and it's not necessarily about you know, wanting to believe in and maybe the ways that we look at it. It's all wrapped up in this idea of how do we protect our country? And that's the only way they can really kind of you know, package it in a way that they can stomach. But um to say that, you know, openly a member of government to say this was a real thing, this stigma, and it potentially caused how how god knows how many um legitimate reports to go unreported. How do you feel about that? How does it feel to have been on the ground floor of that asking these questions? And now it's almost like the doors are wide open? Well, well the door, we got our toe in the door. Let's not get over. There's a there's a toe, there's a there's a doorstopper. Yeah, I mean, I'm gonna kick it the funk wide open. I mean, I can promise you that everything I've said I've done in this field and everything else I've done in life, I've said it, I've done it. I'm telling you I'm gonna kick that door open wider than you can imagine. I mean, I got footage I'm gonna I'm gonna release. I just need to make sure we're gonna get in trouble. But your question was like a vindication, Like how do you feel? I think that was your question? Yeah, kind of just me like, you know, how do you feel, even like for these folks that maybe did take the plunge and report these things, you know, some of the footage indication everybody for everyone. Yeah yeah, yeah yeah. So so vindication is when somebody feels that people didn't believe them and they were telling the truth, and then all of a sudden people realized they were telling the truth. So the only people that feel vindication are people that are insecure about what other people think about what they're saying. I think it's great that the public is catching up that, you know, they've been four cents short of a nickel when it comes to UFOs, and it wasn't even their own fault, man, it's because they're all the stigma and kind of what people have been told they're supposed to understand and believe about UFOs. It literally wasn't the fault of public knowledge that that it was like this gap of reality and what was believed or thought about. So vindication itself, I think it's a waste of time, man. I think I'm too busy moving forward. I'm very happy for people that feel vindicated because they needed that. I think the pilots, I think it is a big deal for because it was actually functional vindication, and that's a different thing. It was functional vindication, So some pilots they could have their wings taken, their entire career, their dreams, their hopes, their desires for the future gone because people think they're not wrapped so tight because they report they saw something. But now with all the radar and collective accumulative AI technology that links all the radars together with incredible systems such as the spy one that can reach eighty thou feet, you know, it's like all of a sudden vindication for those people, those American heroes that some of them engage dufos, many of them, and this is something Congress led about many of them. We have fired upon these unidentified by the way. So so for these people, I am so happy for them. For me personally, all I care about is that my puppy loves me, my wife and my family doesn't think I'm too out of this world, you know what I mean when it comes to my passion about this thing. And I guess when I say kicked the door open, I'm specifically referring to people that maybe would have not reported seeing these things. People with That's what I'm talking about. Yeah, you know that that's a huge deal. So let's address up for just thirty I can sear um what we're seeing now is permission being given, not yet the process to do it, but the permission being given to say, hey, okay, I had a near miss. Hey I saw this thing. Hey what should I fire on this? What's going on? Should we communicate? Should I send out a district you know, a signal? What's going on? So what you said all is really important. We have now got to the point where we're destigmatizing it just one degree. It was one hundred and four degrees. Now it's a hundred and maybe two degrees. We're bringing down the temperature so people can report this ship. Right, And that is so important, not just for national security, but because people hold these secrets. And that is to hold a secret like that is um it impairs your your your health, and that's something you know what. What's really standing out to me in this conversation, and as I'm just keeping some notes here is I think it is incredibly important. I would even say mission critical, uh, for for you and George Knapp to be actively constructing a process like this right that uh, first make sure that it's not in like publication, is not endangering anyone, and then secondly that anonymity is possible and I wanna thank you for that. We've got a lot of we have a lot of veterans in the audience today. Uh, and it is a statistical certitude, dude, that several of them have probably seen some things and they haven't they haven't felt like, uh, they would be able to report it without there being some sort of possible consequence, like you said, functional validation. People's careers are on the line, and it's not easy to become a pilot, right, I mean that's just true. Well, and it's not just pilots. And look, you said two things, you know, you said the national security, but then anonymity. But here's the deal. Fuck anonymity. A lot of these people their active duty right now, have actually gone on record with me, recorded so that and they trust me, and I can release that after they're out. But what what we're trying to do is make sure that they we can put that they're okay talking about it, but they're just not the The repercussions could be horrible. So I want to make sure there's an immunity there so they can know anonymity. They want to they want to tell you what they saw, even if it's closed door briefings with Congress and not like on the news or something with me. That's what I'm fighting for is immunity for people to actually come forward because they want to like the U. S. S. Russell and the whole like you know, swamp gas. Uh you know, Oh, just I don't know the word they use, like a fake aperture thing, you know, all the idiot de Congress like they don't know, they don't know what I know. They don't know what they know. And that was that was a side shows podcasting. So here's the deal. Like, I have witnesses from that event. Now they're active, I've documented with them. I want to be able to put that out and I want them to be able to come forward, but we need something in process in order to be able to do that. Yeah, and that's uh, that's I think a key point and it's a game changer and it's something that has to occur, that has to exist right to move this exploration further. Along with that, I know we have a lot of a lot of stuff to discuss, but I would just love to get briefly your hot take, if hot it is, on on that on the public hearing in Congress yesterday where you showed up in name, and then also maybe maybe a little speculation about the second closed door hearing just like it was there anything different. So so any any take you get right now on the hearing is going to be a hot take because it just happened. I gotta watch a couple of times. Man, when it was going on, I had, you know, forty thousand things pinging in my head and my mom on my phone. So my hot take on it right like, kind of what I thought was like, kind of big is what you're saying at that moment? Specifics? Is that what you want? Okay? I mean, other than it was really amazing and important, and it was the start. It was the benchmark that that I happen to know. And I am telling you now that there's gonna be more and that there's going to be direct witnesses who can speak with more education and clarity than people that were sent there by their bosses to protect national security. Like the top brass we did have in front of Congress. We're gonna have people like Commander David Favor, people like the Great lou Alesando who are at a tip we should have Dr James Lakatski, who ran the only funded the twenty two million UFO program with with Dr Colm kellerher called AWESOP Advanced Aerospace Weapon System Applications Program. That that then Luella's under grab the reins like a warrior and and and started a TIP Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification pro Program, you know, and then we go to the UAP Task Force and three different versions of it. But but what we saw there in that in that briefing yesterday, besides the symbolic nature and the new UFO video, we saw that first of all, they got a lot of catching up to do. The congress people were exceptional. Um Congressman Gallagher was his questions were incredibly powerful and representive. Carson, he pushed the witnesses with his opening statement, I mean, he really set the tone, you know, And the point was to destigmatize the reporting could be better and to earn back the American trust. And I don't know anything about politics or any of their politics. All I know is what they just said about UFOs and this, and about secrecy, about secrecy and over classification in general. So my hot take is that yes, there were so lies. There was some obfuscation, there's just we don't know. They were ignorant on certain things. And also those two guys, I would have a lot of other people up there. But it was good we did it, and they're having a closed door briefing afterwards because of classification. And notice every time that they said we're gonna have to do that in the closed door briefing after that is because there's information that they can answer, but only under so there's some yes, is there you should have paid attention to, So you know, have UFOs altered our technological capabilities or methods right in warfare? Save that for the closed briefings. That's what he said, right, Um, you know they were wrong or lying or office skating or not informed when they asked about like basically UFO crashes or materials that's provable, that's verifiable, and more of that's coming out and they were wrong or lied. So yeah, we do have I'll say to be very conservative materials associated with UFOs. Um someone other than me, Robert Bigelow who ran who who you know, was a big part of the UFO whole, you know thing with the government specifically said we have machinery, So machineries like mechanisms that work together. I'll go one step further. Whether you believe him or not, Bob Bazaar is telling you straight exactly what happened to him. We have craft and there's documentation that I think George Knapp and I will be exposing from Russia. The clearly state that there are exploitation or reverse engineering programs. So from that hearing, those are some of the things that they said that you should pay attention to. Um. You know they admitted that uf mimits was a UFO event. Well we all knew that. Um, they were. They committed to sharing like more national things that cases that didn't deal with national security. I don't know, man. My hot take, the big the big hot take is this. I'm sorry, I'm ranting him. The big hot take is this. They fucked up when it came to talking about the video I released with the pyer, the green pyramid shaped triangle by angle of observation night vision footage from the U S. S. Russell. That's cool. They fucking lied about it. But that's okay because I'll be able to prove that wrong. Hold the phone. Let's take a quick pause. We'll come back to this. Put a pen and be back with more fascinating discussion with Jeremy Corbell. And we've returned. All right, well let's get into it. So one of the main arguments that I've seen about that specific video footage of the green pyramids green triangles, it is it would be a pyramid and not triangle. It doesn't matter. The seagulls the light strapped onto them, they're unknowns that we should we should know what to deal what to do with them as a military By the way, it doesn't really matter. But yeah, I agree, it doesn't really matter. But maybe some of you have seen this, or maybe you have maybe you haven't seen this, or you've heard something. So I just want to make sure, Jeremy, you comments on it and we get that from you rather than just hearsay that people find on the internet. There's one person speaking out about this that as I've seen him in the New York Post and a couple other places, uh, an author named Mick Mick West, and he's just put forward that you know, he's a skeptic. And again I think you should everyone should be just as Jeremy stated, you are, be skeptical about the stuff, but make sure you think about everything, look at every angle, don't just take you know, the skeptical stance and throw things out the window. But and that's I don't think that's what Mick is doing because just saying like it, I think Akham's razor is that these are planes as footage of planes. The reason why they look like pyramids is because of the aperture of the camera that was taking the footage, and it's night vision, so they appeared that green color, um, and they've got flashing lights that appear to be what a you know, a plane would have the warring stands looking at it from outside. That that would be all comes razor on that specific event. However, you know, you bring up kind of something that's more of a dizzy. It's more of a mental disease, because you have to look at the history of people's work and how they're bias, um, how they're always continuously trying to not not just analyze it, but prove the mundane no matter how insane it is. So in general, let's just take let's talk about it generally, but that let's take one specific case, um that this has been done to write. So that's like that's de bunking rather than I'm a skeptic too. That's the thing. People. People might not appreciate how much I've had things work that I have to do and what I do do before I put anything out, because everybody wants to catch me in a mistake. You know, if I ever made a mistake, oh man, everybody makes mistakes. I'll make it. I'll admit I made a mistake. It just hasn't happened yet with this now. Now if that does happen, oh man, no problem. We're all human. As I told you, I'm clumsy. If I make a mistake, physically clumsy, not mentally clumsy. You know the no problem. You know, I admit that. But let me give you a specific example of something you're You're being very I don't know nice in the way you describe this skepticism thing. There's a difference between being skeptical and having an intent to debunk with a predetermined outcome. And that's where it's virus. This mental It really is a mental illness we're seeing with people like this, And I'm not trying to be mean. I'm just trying to give you a specific example. So here we go. The TikTok youf o case, what is alcomes razor? Is all coomes razor the most mundane explanation or is it kind of the most direct and obvious. I mean, I haven't looked at the definition, but I'm pre be sure it says in the dictionary akoms raised not the most mundane is the answer, right. So, if you believe and as a matter of belief, because we're not there, if you believe the military pilots, if you believe the radar systems, if you believe the investigation that went on for years and actually multiple investigations from intelligence agencies, one of which George not made public. If you believe that stuff, then alcams Raser says, the pilots saw what they said they saw, the radars picked up what they appeared to pick up, and everything occurred on that day precisely as it has been described. That this is not pilot air, this is not radar glitches, that these were physical objects. And then there's the stuff they don't want you to know, which is that we have other optics systems that I can't confirm nor deny that I am privy to, that we're able to capture these same series of events with the tik Tak youfo. But now because you mentioned all comes raising, you mentioned some of the people that have this what I would call mental illness, right and not and again not to be mean, this is not maybe I should choose a different word, but like it's like a like a virus when they want to prove their world view. If you were to believe these known debunkers, not even skeptics, here's what you would need to believe about the tik Tak you fo case. This is a conspiracy theory. It is a mental gymnastics worthy of a gold medal. You have multiple pilots in air, all testifying to having seen the same thing, not a glare in the windshield, not a glitter on their radar, optically see the same thing trained fighter pilots. So now you're talking about you'd have to believe not only one person had mental delusion, but that mental delusion was commonly shared at the exact same moment with multiple other pilots and and called copilots or backseaters or weapons systems operators. So now just follow me to two all comes razor these debunkers. You have to start by believing that one pilot had a massive mental delusion, and that that mass, massive personal mental delusion was then shared by multiple other trained fire plots at the exact same time, the exact same place, seeing the exact same thing. But let's just start beginning there now. Now you have to also believe that our ground radar systems saw the mental delusion that all these pilots were sharing. Then you have to believe that our air radar systems we're starting to share that mental delusion. And then the systems the stuff that don't want you to know that also we're able to capture these tic tac u FO event series was sharing that delusion through its AI and and pinging it to everybody else. And then you have to say everybody's that at their job, and that they didn't investigate it right, and that there's and the footage, the footage of it. I guess the mental delusion got caught up on visual as well. So so just to drive this point home, all comes fucking razor is that you shouldn't be listening to debunkers who try to impose upon you these series of absolute absurdities. I'm sorry, I'm done with it. I don't have time for this. I have time for people who are skeptical who want to know the truth, not for people that go out their way to convince the public of a false narrative for clout and to get on TV shows. It's bullshit, and it's straight up, it's fucking bullshit. And here's the deal, man, it doesn't matter anyway. People got to make up their own minds. But that bullshit then translates over to things like what we're seeing at the at the at the panic, what we're seeing that Congress the other day. You know, where did they get this outside analysis there? But by the way, I know the people that wrote those reports, I know the people that that actually dealt with defining these things as quote drones. I know why they define them as drones, and in fact I have eyewitnesses. So somebody's sitting as a keyboard warrior behind their keyboard, you know, doing analysis and thinking that everybody else is stupid and wrong and delusional, even the AI and the technology except them, I mean all comes Razers says, you should probably ignore them a little bit because you're filling your mind with a ton of fucking bullshit. Bullshit. Here's my problem, Jeremy, I went to school for I went to school for video. There's a video camera back here, Like, that's what I learned in college. What what make is saying about an aperture and the way light would reflect off that lens as it's going through is not wrong, right, So that's the problem. That's the problem for me is trying trying to be skeptical about it enough to where I don't feel gullible right right now and look and it's not wrong, dude. But what I'm what I'm saying is when we're when we're looking at anything like this, including the tic TAC or you know, the pyramid footage or anything, it's amazing that there are multiple points or multiple ways to confirm, like you're saying, using ground radar and other pilots, co pilots who are seeing other people who on the ground you're seeing it. What what what makes my mind real a little bit is that you've got Ronald Moultrie who came on during yesterday's thing and specifically with stating that one of the biggest roadblocks they're dealing with is communication between different military groups and a lack of communication and also a lack of data, a lack of backup data. Basically other ways to look at a single event, which blows my mind because there is so much surveillance that's going on at all times. When one of these events occurs um and they want they wanted to they want it. The Navy wants it from the n s A, the n s A wants it from Geospatial. Geospatial wants it from c I A, CIA wants it from you know, d I. It's insane. Yeah, it's a problem, But what's your map? What's your point? My point is you're you're saying that we've got all this wis like just going back to the n emits or you know, going back to the TI the tik tac. We've got all of these points of data on that one thing, right, But then the person who's running this program that's supposed to be looking at it is coming forward and saying we don't have enough data for a lot of these things, which just boggles my mind. I don't understand, right, So, so this is a huge problem, and I totally get it. So you have to understand the people that were there testifying. They're like the top dogs that run stuff. They don't get into day by day. They didn't do the reports. I guarantee you that bray that you know ahead of the Navy, you know, or whatever he is officially, I guarantee I saw too. They were totally uninformed about the nuclear tempering with historically by UFOs. And I know a lot of people involved the generated those reports and ran those programs. And and here's the issue. You got a top grass guy like that come forward hit first of all his hubrists, like he doesn't want to admit he hasn't been read into stuff thrown in there, told to go in there. I guarantee you he has not read the the massive report in the d i A on the tic tac UFO with direct witnesses and what they saw and all this stuff. So what does he go on too, like Twitter and listen to these debunkers and say, oh that looks kind of smart, especially about the U. S. S. Russething. Oh yeah he must have. Oh yeah, you can. You can make something look green and triangular, just like you can hold an orange and say hey that's circular. But like do they not know anyway? So that I'm sharing your annoyance. But there is a path forward, and yes, your day, we began that path forward and there's a lot happening behind the scenes that that I can tell you for sure that that path is moving where people are fighting fucking hard, man, and it's happening. So we don't got to get into the green pyramid thing. I'm I'm gonna do something in the next seven days that will fucking fuck that ship up to begin with. But like that's not that's not the point right now, right So I only bring that up, Jeremy, because I think so many people are fascinated by this, right, Like so many people are listening right now that that have that feeling if I want to believe, which is what I share, right, But I also don't want to be a sucker, man, And I know you feel that way. I know everybody feels that way. So that's why you work so hard at trying to like discover this stuff. I think it's just difficult to do what you do, and to do now what we're all doing and just analyzing the stuff on our own and making our own decision about what is what is real and what is not. You don't don't be a sucker, mat don't be a sucker, but but don't dismiss like these debunkers you mentioned. Don't dismiss all the evidence because you don't want to be a sucker. You don't have to choose a side. Just look at it all and don't believe everything you hear because somebody says it right, just because somebody says, um, you know, Jeremy said it's Pyramid, and you know he's you know, I don't know what they say like you know, don't don't, don't get caught up in the negativity. Just look at everything soberly and don't be a sucker. Everything should be questioned. I am very open to the idea that I could be supplied false information to propagate, to to make everybody be a sucker, especially me, to discredit me. I have thought so hard to make sure that that that has not the case. Verified it. That's why George Nappo I worked so well together, because we have different sources. So sure one day I could funk up, and if I do, I will admit it and say, please forgive me, don't give up on me. I'm passionate about this, so don't worry about it. I don't. No one's going to be a sucker here. But what we're gonna do is we're not gonna close our minds off because we're fearful of what people will think of us. Man, let's move let's move forward and do our best. One response I would have to that is something I've said before in the past. There is a difference between skepticism rational thinking, right and and practicing uh, the calculus of assumptions and mental parkour that must be involved to arrive at someone's confirmation bias. But I would say there's a difference between being skeptic, being skeptical, which all people should, and sort of fetishizing your idea of skepticism, right. Uh, And that's very different from thinking rationally. Unfortunately, that's the case if you identify that you are a skeptic, you're fetishizing it rather than you know what, yes well said. And this is this is exciting because when when this comes out, when this episode we're recording comes out, we will have been we will have hit the seven day mark that you're alluding to earlier, or we will be well on the way toward it. So at this time, I know we're we're running a little short and we're starting to wrap stuff up, but we want to we want to give the space to you, Jeremy, to talk a little bit about what's coming up in the future on your end where people can learn more about your work. And you know, if there's any advice you have for folks who are trying to follow in your footsteps, I think that would be huge. Well, my advice for people is to be as open and curious and ask questions and and and look into stuff and hear all sides and and don't take a position and defend it until you're absolutely confident, and then be willing to completely loose sight of the shore to discover new land if you find out new evidence, and I hope we all do that. And also just you know, be forgiving of people. People get passionate about this, uh you know on UFO Twitter, one of my friends Ryan, they call him Ufo Jesus from Post Disclosure World. He said something the other day to saying like ufology should you know, bring us together, not not divide us. You know, this common interest. So my my kind of suggestion to people is, look, this is exciting, and it's exciting for a reason, and it's because there's so many people have experiences and it's such a part of human culture. UFOs that that that we can relate to it, but we have to feel kind of like accepted about it, right or wrong. We should be able to talk to one another with differences of opinions, should bond us for a great conversation. Be weary, Be weary of people that define themselves their identities as skeptics, because you already know right there that they're not skeptical, that they've defined themselves to find the prosaic. And that's dangerous. It's really dangerous for for everybody. So so be and also be um if people change their minds. Be embracing of people making mistakes and changing their minds, even even the debunkers. You know what I mean. It's like just like, uh, you know, don't be a dick is a great rule. The best rule is that that's rum man um. So for me, I think the next thing is is that I'm I'm trying to as accurately as I can report what I believe to know it in the moment right now, and to release to the world video evidence film by our military, which I have a lot of. And I need to make sure it's safe to do that on every level and doesn't harm anything. And um, you know it's not everything. It's just they're they're actual, just pieces to the puzzle. Some of it is very impressive and some of it you need an edge caation to understand how impressive it is. But I wouldn't release something boring. It's just a matter of education. So you can look out for me to hopefully be translating if I do my job well the basics of what's going on with this topic, because I'm an enthusiast of this topic. I'm an investigator this topic. I'm a filmmaker. But but but most importantly, man, I'm just a guy who has been unqualified and feel like I'm I shouldn't be in the room when I'm in the room a lot of time, but I'm grateful to be there and people talk to me, and I hope I continue to do work that is embraced and that people enjoy it and they're entertained by it. And more importantly that that that that it changes the way that they engage the world around them, from their family to their jobs, that that there's something that this passion for this, that it changes the way that they perceive those mundane moments in our lives where instead of being like, shit, I don't want to do that. You kill that inner bitch, and you're like, you know what, I'm gonna fucking do it because life is fucking short and we don't have that much time, and we are going to be defined in our lifetime, not in our death, by what we do today. And so that's kind of my advice. So you know, look, I dropped everything on my Instagram and then my Twitter, and it's very easy to find me. I'm so easy to find. But that's where you'll see new releases first. So go follow at Jeremy Corbel dot com and you'll see it there. And just please say nice things that are constructive because I don't read much of it. But if people say bad things, I just delete it and go away and block it. And that's it. I just want not arguments, want arguments. Be kind to each other. I mean in the comments, just be when you talk. You'll learn a lot more of your kinds. I don't know what my end messages, but weaponize your goddamn motherfucking curiosity. And don't get me fucking wrong, I'm serious about that. Participate. Don't be a passive consumer, be an active participant in the mysteries you want solved, and if you're a fan of long form documentaries, definitely go to Extraordinary Beliefs dot com. You should see like some of the stuff that Jeremy has on their the skin Walker ranch one, I think we talked about previously fascinating stuff, and the Bob Blazar documentary made just great stuff. If you're curious about any of these topics. Thank you, gentlemen. I have to jump, but I appreciate you so much and I hope we continue our thread text chain. Thank you so much, Jeremy. It's absolute pleasure. Again, Extraordinary Beliefs dot Com find the Instagram, you can find the Twitter. Stay tuned, folks. That was a ride, you know. I think there's a lot to unpack there. Uh, and I'm interested. I don't know about you guys, but I'm interested to see what some of this upcoming stuff is. You know, we didn't get to the secret hearing. I love a good tease. Well that's secret, and nothing really to talk about except that it's secret. Obfuscated I believe was the word that was used, which I would agree with. Well, we didn't even mentioned I think this was a big piece of the news. You guys, remember eleven months ago we talked about that report. It was a hundred and forty something I think almost exactly a hundred forty incidents that they were looking into. Right now it's at four hundred. Yeah, I mean that's overdouble the number of individual incidents, which is at least a good thing. I think they also said, uh, that Deputy Director of Naval Intelligence we mentioned earlier also is one of the people who I believe said that they anticipate that number of incidents to go down as they're able to explain some stuff. But right now, the entire world is working live and we appreciate you, fellow listeners, for tuning in with this. We want you to participate. 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