Ooh, this is a good one.

Ooh, this is a good one.

This classic episode Fellow Conspiracy Realist features one of our old friends pall of the show, Jeremy Corbel, who is currently the host of another show called Weaponized Matt.

This classic episode Fellow Conspiracy Realist features one of our old friends pall of the show, Jeremy Corbel, who is currently the host of another show called Weaponized Matt.

You know, back in the day, let's.

You know, back in the day, let's.

See Jeremy and you and I talked extensively about some of his documentaries, and I believe he's the guy who really connected with us on you know, on Uncle Sam's formerly secret version of Project Blue Book.

See Jeremy and you and I talked extensively about some of his documentaries, and I believe he's the guy who really connected with us on you know, on Uncle Sam's formerly secret version of Project Blue Book.

Yeah, Ben, is it weird to you that for five years now UAP has been a thing. It's been five years since we've been talking about UFOs as UAP. I feel like it just happened.

Yeah, Ben, is it weird to you that for five years now UAP has been a thing. It's been five years since we've been talking about UFOs as UAP. I feel like it just happened.

Yeah, Oh my gosh, oof, it is weird.

Yeah, Oh my gosh, oof, it is weird.

You know.

You know.

I think about the passage of time to quote the talking, but also also let's give people their props where they're deserved. Jeremy for many years had been ringing the bell about this right and came to us always with an open hand and just said, guys, I want to spread the message there's something wonky going on here, and never made any crazy claims, was never disingenuous, continues his work today. So I think we're both very we're very grateful for this conversation into something called the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program.

I think about the passage of time to quote the talking, but also also let's give people their props where they're deserved. Jeremy for many years had been ringing the bell about this right and came to us always with an open hand and just said, guys, I want to spread the message there's something wonky going on here, and never made any crazy claims, was never disingenuous, continues his work today. So I think we're both very we're very grateful for this conversation into something called the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program.

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Or AA TIP AA TIP Okay.

Here it is from UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or learn this stuff they don't want you to know.

Here it is from UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or learn this stuff they don't want you to know.

Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my name is Noel.

Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my name is Noel.

They call me Ben.

They call me Ben.

We're joined with our super producer, Paul Decant, the man behind the curtain here, and most importantly, you are you that makes this stuff they don't want you to know. Today, we're very excited, friends, neighbors, fellow conspiracy realists, because we are finally delving into a story that you heard about fairly recently. And you may have seen it as an interesting headline on your Facebook feed if that's where you get your news. You may have seen a couple of people commenting on it in Reddit. You may have wondered why such an earth shaking story hit the headlines and then appeared to vanish.

We're joined with our super producer, Paul Decant, the man behind the curtain here, and most importantly, you are you that makes this stuff they don't want you to know. Today, we're very excited, friends, neighbors, fellow conspiracy realists, because we are finally delving into a story that you heard about fairly recently. And you may have seen it as an interesting headline on your Facebook feed if that's where you get your news. You may have seen a couple of people commenting on it in Reddit. You may have wondered why such an earth shaking story hit the headlines and then appeared to vanish.

Now.

Now.

When I first saw it, I was like, wait, so this is like an admission that the stuff is real.

When I first saw it, I was like, wait, so this is like an admission that the stuff is real.

Well, yeah, these programs are real, especially because you were probably reading it in the New York Times, which you generally don't read about UFOs.

Well, yeah, these programs are real, especially because you were probably reading it in the New York Times, which you generally don't read about UFOs.

There, that's what I'm saying.

There, that's what I'm saying.

I was like, this is the one, this is the big one. And then it was kind of just like that.

I was like, this is the one, this is the big one. And then it was kind of just like that.

What happened to that story?

What happened to that story?

Right paper of note New York Times, and a journalist working for the New York Times by the name of Ralph Blumenthal went public with a front page Sunday article in The New York Times fairly recently, where it was entitled Glowing Auras and Black Money, The Pentagon's Mysterious UFO column. Bloomenthal, writing with Leslie Keene and Helene Cooper, it introduced the vast majority of the public, including Matt Noll, Paul and myself, to something called the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program. And this blew our collective mind. Yes, we weren't sure what was up, We weren't sure what was left, what was right, where to go, And because we wanted to bring the most fascinating and most accurate information to bear on this subject, we connected with one of our experts in the field in this regard, and we are lucky enough to have him with us on the air today. Ladies, and gentlemen, you may remember him from our previous episode on Allegations of Alien Implants or Mysterious Implants, The mastermind behind the film Patient seventeen.

Right paper of note New York Times, and a journalist working for the New York Times by the name of Ralph Blumenthal went public with a front page Sunday article in The New York Times fairly recently, where it was entitled Glowing Auras and Black Money, The Pentagon's Mysterious UFO column. Bloomenthal, writing with Leslie Keene and Helene Cooper, it introduced the vast majority of the public, including Matt Noll, Paul and myself, to something called the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program. And this blew our collective mind. Yes, we weren't sure what was up, We weren't sure what was left, what was right, where to go, And because we wanted to bring the most fascinating and most accurate information to bear on this subject, we connected with one of our experts in the field in this regard, and we are lucky enough to have him with us on the air today. Ladies, and gentlemen, you may remember him from our previous episode on Allegations of Alien Implants or Mysterious Implants, The mastermind behind the film Patient seventeen.

Number twenty five on Netflix and trending right now. By the way, check it out if you haven't already.

Number twenty five on Netflix and trending right now. By the way, check it out if you haven't already.

We'd like to introduce you to Jeremy Corbel.

We'd like to introduce you to Jeremy Corbel.

Jeremy, Hey, gentlemen, thanks for having me on again.

Jeremy, Hey, gentlemen, thanks for having me on again.

Of course, So all right, you just I guess we just started the beginning. Let's go to the day this article comes out. How much did you know about this at that point?

Of course, So all right, you just I guess we just started the beginning. Let's go to the day this article comes out. How much did you know about this at that point?

Well, I've actually been working on the TikTok ca for two years and was not allowed to say anything about it, so I got to see it kind of from the inside before it was published. You know, I had pre warning about the published, you know, it being published in the New York Times and Politico and then getting picked up by the global media. You know, it was a big story, is a big story. So luckily I got to see it a little bit from the inside.

Well, I've actually been working on the TikTok ca for two years and was not allowed to say anything about it, so I got to see it kind of from the inside before it was published. You know, I had pre warning about the published, you know, it being published in the New York Times and Politico and then getting picked up by the global media. You know, it was a big story, is a big story. So luckily I got to see it a little bit from the inside.

So can you tell us a little bit about what the tic Tac incident is?

So can you tell us a little bit about what the tic Tac incident is?

Sure? Yeah, I mean we should go. You know, here are other facts. Man, the devil's in the details. And this is a real conspiracy reality. This is something being held back from the American and global public, and it you know, does have a focus on the tic Tac incident because and that is the case that I was working on for a couple of years. I had no way to shield anybody I was speaking with, you know, from their secrecy agreements. So it's really great how this came out. The tic Tac incident off the coast of California was one of many incidents where there's an anomalous aerial vehicle or an almost aerols three, depending on how they want to twist the language, where an object of unknown origin, no tail numbers, no even wings, was defying all ideas that we have about propulsion, gravity and flight. And this thing was observed within one hundred feet by the primary pilot, Commander David Fraber, and it was on every radar that we have and considered a threat of unknown origin, and it just displayed the most astounding flight characteristics. And so that is kind of the core of that story, that there is unknown technology, unknown craft from unknown origins that outfly anything that we have. And that was a two thousand and four case, so pretty current.

Sure? Yeah, I mean we should go. You know, here are other facts. Man, the devil's in the details. And this is a real conspiracy reality. This is something being held back from the American and global public, and it you know, does have a focus on the tic Tac incident because and that is the case that I was working on for a couple of years. I had no way to shield anybody I was speaking with, you know, from their secrecy agreements. So it's really great how this came out. The tic Tac incident off the coast of California was one of many incidents where there's an anomalous aerial vehicle or an almost aerols three, depending on how they want to twist the language, where an object of unknown origin, no tail numbers, no even wings, was defying all ideas that we have about propulsion, gravity and flight. And this thing was observed within one hundred feet by the primary pilot, Commander David Fraber, and it was on every radar that we have and considered a threat of unknown origin, and it just displayed the most astounding flight characteristics. And so that is kind of the core of that story, that there is unknown technology, unknown craft from unknown origins that outfly anything that we have. And that was a two thousand and four case, so pretty current.

Right, and that's I really want to emphasize this for the rest of the audience here, Jeremy. You mentioned it was a fighter pilot who is the primary observer. Here, there were other observers, and these were experts. These were not people who were walking in a tourist area waiting in line to get some street food. These were people operating out of the USS nimics.

Right, and that's I really want to emphasize this for the rest of the audience here, Jeremy. You mentioned it was a fighter pilot who is the primary observer. Here, there were other observers, and these were experts. These were not people who were walking in a tourist area waiting in line to get some street food. These were people operating out of the USS nimics.

Is that correct?

Is that correct?

Yeah? In fact, these our most highly trained combat pilots. There were four visual observers on that particular day. Yet these events were ongoing for over a week off the coast of California, being observed by our national defense and military, and these pilots, having no knowledge of what they were going to were asked, what ordinance do you have on board? We have a real life target for you. And they were sent out to observe and to engage this anomalous aerial vehicle. And there are some things about that that the public needs to know. Not only are these trained observers, but this object that they engaged did things like actively jam compared to passively jam their radar and weapons systems, which is fascinating because they had the most high tech available to the United States military or the world at this time.

Yeah? In fact, these our most highly trained combat pilots. There were four visual observers on that particular day. Yet these events were ongoing for over a week off the coast of California, being observed by our national defense and military, and these pilots, having no knowledge of what they were going to were asked, what ordinance do you have on board? We have a real life target for you. And they were sent out to observe and to engage this anomalous aerial vehicle. And there are some things about that that the public needs to know. Not only are these trained observers, but this object that they engaged did things like actively jam compared to passively jam their radar and weapons systems, which is fascinating because they had the most high tech available to the United States military or the world at this time.

Wow.

Wow.

And the craft itself did not look like anything we would understand as an aircraft, right.

And the craft itself did not look like anything we would understand as an aircraft, right.

There were no rotors, no wings, no, not even any portholes. Is that correct?

There were no rotors, no wings, no, not even any portholes. Is that correct?

In my conversations with Commander David Fraber, it was the most astounding thing he had ever seen in combat or even in theory, because this object, through the different visual optics that he had, had no protrusions like wings or anything like that. It had no exhaust plumes they can use flear, which is heat sensing. There is no possible way that he knew of that this thing could operate, and in the ways that it did when he was observing it, it was like a ping pong, bouncing right left, up down. It was absolutely foolish. The way that it was moving. It was strange beyond all bleeps. And at one point it noticed him and it started to target him and move around his vehicle and shut down his systems. I mean, he's quoted as saying in the Boston Herald, you know it is not something we developed, and that he believes it's something not from here, not from Earth.

In my conversations with Commander David Fraber, it was the most astounding thing he had ever seen in combat or even in theory, because this object, through the different visual optics that he had, had no protrusions like wings or anything like that. It had no exhaust plumes they can use flear, which is heat sensing. There is no possible way that he knew of that this thing could operate, and in the ways that it did when he was observing it, it was like a ping pong, bouncing right left, up down. It was absolutely foolish. The way that it was moving. It was strange beyond all bleeps. And at one point it noticed him and it started to target him and move around his vehicle and shut down his systems. I mean, he's quoted as saying in the Boston Herald, you know it is not something we developed, and that he believes it's something not from here, not from Earth.

So, Jeremy, you have not only spoken with the fighter pilot who is the primary witness for this. But you also followed this story or this phenomenon beyond this specific instance to a global context. And earlier off air you said that you had you had some contextualizing points about the the the global impact or the backdrop of this phenomenon, and we were wondering if you could walk walk us in the audience through the primary let's say, the lay of the land here or the should we say, the cast of the sky.

So, Jeremy, you have not only spoken with the fighter pilot who is the primary witness for this. But you also followed this story or this phenomenon beyond this specific instance to a global context. And earlier off air you said that you had you had some contextualizing points about the the the global impact or the backdrop of this phenomenon, and we were wondering if you could walk walk us in the audience through the primary let's say, the lay of the land here or the should we say, the cast of the sky.

Yeah, sure so, yeah. I have developed a network of people involved, which you know, the two thousand and four Nimits event, from radar operators to personnel to the pilots. So I've been able to see this, you know, from a larger perspective. But the big news, let's let's step back to the big news. You know, here are the facts. You know, first of all, we should know that my mentor, George Knapp, really broke all of this information first before anybody, and you know, he's got his ear to the rail in a way. We are standing in a place now within the United States where and the world where we are being told the number of things. So for example, you know, here are the facts. It was an announcement twenty two million dollars was spent by our government to study the UFO phenomenon that was reported in the New York Times, and the Advanced Aviation Threat Identification Program aat IP was named secret UFO study something in our airspace, out running our machine bullet point. A man named Lewis Elizondo, who's the former director of Programs to investigate Unidentified aerial Threats for our government. He came forward in that article as well, so they identified that there's a threat. Alexander said in the political article, we had never seen anything like it. There was frustration within our government. Alixando kind of made that clear by saying, look, if a Russian bear bomber comes into near California, it's all over the news. These are coming in the skies over our facilities, and you hear nothing but crickets. And when he says our facilities, that was a direct quote. We're also talking about nuclear facilities. So in the public eye, nothing has been studied about UFOs since the closing of Project Blue Book in nineteen sixty nine. That's what we were told. Now we know that that is completely false. It was also said that the AATIP program ended in twenty twelve. Right, so this is right out of the Pentagon. They're saying that program to study UFOs and in twenty twelve. In fact, that is false, and we'll get into that when it gets crazy. There was a fear. This is something else that everybody should know. There was a fear that you know, these incidents and these air craft, these crafts that were witnessing were not made by humans. This is all the way up in the chain of command within our Pentagon. And the other kind of headline news that we learned through the New York Times article is that former Senator Harry Reid of Nevada, he initiated this twenty two million dollar program to study UFOs and the larger phenomena that we observe that have to you know, that are beyond UFOs. There is a very strange link to a very strange property that this program had a directorate to study, a place called Skinwalker Ridge. So that's what we know from these global announcements that in fact UFOs as a threat is a hot topic and remains a hot topic since nineteen sixty nine, when allegedly we stop studying this stuff, which we now know is not true. So that's kind of the big point, the big pictures, and they're using specific cases to help us understand that.

Yeah, sure so, yeah. I have developed a network of people involved, which you know, the two thousand and four Nimits event, from radar operators to personnel to the pilots. So I've been able to see this, you know, from a larger perspective. But the big news, let's let's step back to the big news. You know, here are the facts. You know, first of all, we should know that my mentor, George Knapp, really broke all of this information first before anybody, and you know, he's got his ear to the rail in a way. We are standing in a place now within the United States where and the world where we are being told the number of things. So for example, you know, here are the facts. It was an announcement twenty two million dollars was spent by our government to study the UFO phenomenon that was reported in the New York Times, and the Advanced Aviation Threat Identification Program aat IP was named secret UFO study something in our airspace, out running our machine bullet point. A man named Lewis Elizondo, who's the former director of Programs to investigate Unidentified aerial Threats for our government. He came forward in that article as well, so they identified that there's a threat. Alexander said in the political article, we had never seen anything like it. There was frustration within our government. Alixando kind of made that clear by saying, look, if a Russian bear bomber comes into near California, it's all over the news. These are coming in the skies over our facilities, and you hear nothing but crickets. And when he says our facilities, that was a direct quote. We're also talking about nuclear facilities. So in the public eye, nothing has been studied about UFOs since the closing of Project Blue Book in nineteen sixty nine. That's what we were told. Now we know that that is completely false. It was also said that the AATIP program ended in twenty twelve. Right, so this is right out of the Pentagon. They're saying that program to study UFOs and in twenty twelve. In fact, that is false, and we'll get into that when it gets crazy. There was a fear. This is something else that everybody should know. There was a fear that you know, these incidents and these air craft, these crafts that were witnessing were not made by humans. This is all the way up in the chain of command within our Pentagon. And the other kind of headline news that we learned through the New York Times article is that former Senator Harry Reid of Nevada, he initiated this twenty two million dollar program to study UFOs and the larger phenomena that we observe that have to you know, that are beyond UFOs. There is a very strange link to a very strange property that this program had a directorate to study, a place called Skinwalker Ridge. So that's what we know from these global announcements that in fact UFOs as a threat is a hot topic and remains a hot topic since nineteen sixty nine, when allegedly we stop studying this stuff, which we now know is not true. So that's kind of the big point, the big pictures, and they're using specific cases to help us understand that.

Just to go back quickly to Lewis Elizondo, the person who was essentially the manager of the program at least for a time, one thing we found to be extremely important here with regards to the Pentagon itself studying these things. He said that even his immediate supervisor at the Pentagon was unaware of the program, which, you know, we've we've talked about segmentation that occurs within the government, within government groups like that before, within structures where you know, what is it You just a lot of people won't know exactly what's going on, what the next person is working on. Often there's a compartmentalization of information. So perhaps the Pentagon overall didn't even really know what was going on.

Just to go back quickly to Lewis Elizondo, the person who was essentially the manager of the program at least for a time, one thing we found to be extremely important here with regards to the Pentagon itself studying these things. He said that even his immediate supervisor at the Pentagon was unaware of the program, which, you know, we've we've talked about segmentation that occurs within the government, within government groups like that before, within structures where you know, what is it You just a lot of people won't know exactly what's going on, what the next person is working on. Often there's a compartmentalization of information. So perhaps the Pentagon overall didn't even really know what was going on.

I guess yeah, it's quite surprising. There is a stove piping they call it, within intelligence circles of information, so you know, one hand can't access what the other hand is working on. And there's a reason for that specifically in these programs. It's because the implications of this technology. It is a fierce technology, it is something when weaponized, if we could control the forces of nature like these craft appear to be able to control, that gives any nation a leg up technologically, a weaponization that other countries, other nations wouldn't have. So that is the exact reason why within the intelligence community, Department of Defense and National Security, you have this stove piping and compartmentalization. It's important. We used it for the atomic weapons system, the atomic bomb, and we use it now in anything regarding UFOs.

I guess yeah, it's quite surprising. There is a stove piping they call it, within intelligence circles of information, so you know, one hand can't access what the other hand is working on. And there's a reason for that specifically in these programs. It's because the implications of this technology. It is a fierce technology, it is something when weaponized, if we could control the forces of nature like these craft appear to be able to control, that gives any nation a leg up technologically, a weaponization that other countries, other nations wouldn't have. So that is the exact reason why within the intelligence community, Department of Defense and National Security, you have this stove piping and compartmentalization. It's important. We used it for the atomic weapons system, the atomic bomb, and we use it now in anything regarding UFOs.

And that's that's a very important point of regarding atomic weaponry. I'm glad you brought up this subject because, from what we understand, for Senator Harry Reid, the question of missile defense and nuclear weaponry was one of the at least according to his public statements, one of the primary motivators for his interest in the project. He said that he had read classified reports about encounters with unidentified flying objects over US nuclear bases and that during those encounters, just like how the systems on the fighter planes were scrambled or disabled, the atomic weapons themselves were somehow disabled in these encounters. Do you believe that what that stated motivation of his was the primary goal or do you believe there's something more to the story.

And that's that's a very important point of regarding atomic weaponry. I'm glad you brought up this subject because, from what we understand, for Senator Harry Reid, the question of missile defense and nuclear weaponry was one of the at least according to his public statements, one of the primary motivators for his interest in the project. He said that he had read classified reports about encounters with unidentified flying objects over US nuclear bases and that during those encounters, just like how the systems on the fighter planes were scrambled or disabled, the atomic weapons themselves were somehow disabled in these encounters. Do you believe that what that stated motivation of his was the primary goal or do you believe there's something more to the story.

Well, I believe that the concept of national defense is the primary goal. If we don't know how something is working in its can threat in our nation, then it is a priority. So yeah, yeah, I do believe in general that the idea was a how do we protect ourselves from these vehicles and these technologies that are far beyond ours that can shut down our nukes at any moment. But let's get specific about that. I just had lunch the other week with Robert Sallas. Robert Salas was in command of ten minutemen intercontinental ballistic missiles when at his base, mails from Air Force Base a UFO came in observed. This is all now public information through FOYA. We got this information and a UFO, a glowing red UFO, came in over the base and it shut down ten independent systems. And we know specifically what this UFO targeted, which is the Global Positioning System. Disabled them immediately, just disabled them. And this is not an isolated event. This happened within seven days on another base here in America, and also we now know in Russia at the same time. So you have a technology flying with impunity coming over the most just sure nuclear missile bases are top weaponry in America and in Russia, and just effortlessly shutting down our technologies by targeting the positioning systems. Now, this is a problem. This is a problem, whether it is benevolent and they're saying don't play with fire, or if this is some sort of display of power, which it certainly was. So, yes, I do believe the motivation is national security.

Well, I believe that the concept of national defense is the primary goal. If we don't know how something is working in its can threat in our nation, then it is a priority. So yeah, yeah, I do believe in general that the idea was a how do we protect ourselves from these vehicles and these technologies that are far beyond ours that can shut down our nukes at any moment. But let's get specific about that. I just had lunch the other week with Robert Sallas. Robert Salas was in command of ten minutemen intercontinental ballistic missiles when at his base, mails from Air Force Base a UFO came in observed. This is all now public information through FOYA. We got this information and a UFO, a glowing red UFO, came in over the base and it shut down ten independent systems. And we know specifically what this UFO targeted, which is the Global Positioning System. Disabled them immediately, just disabled them. And this is not an isolated event. This happened within seven days on another base here in America, and also we now know in Russia at the same time. So you have a technology flying with impunity coming over the most just sure nuclear missile bases are top weaponry in America and in Russia, and just effortlessly shutting down our technologies by targeting the positioning systems. Now, this is a problem. This is a problem, whether it is benevolent and they're saying don't play with fire, or if this is some sort of display of power, which it certainly was. So, yes, I do believe the motivation is national security.

Well, Reid was quoted in saying I'm glad that this happened because now we have scientific proof, or I'm glad this revelation was revealed to the public. And those are strong words from a politician who's I don't know, one of their primary jobs seems to be obsfiscation or like trying to kind of deceive the public in some way, or like, you know, this is a pretty bold sentiment coming from a career politician. Can you speak to that or how do you feel about that quote?

Well, Reid was quoted in saying I'm glad that this happened because now we have scientific proof, or I'm glad this revelation was revealed to the public. And those are strong words from a politician who's I don't know, one of their primary jobs seems to be obsfiscation or like trying to kind of deceive the public in some way, or like, you know, this is a pretty bold sentiment coming from a career politician. Can you speak to that or how do you feel about that quote?

Yeah, well, look his perspective because he did this with black budget money. I mean, this is not even pushed through Congress, this is not asked. This is money that is created and funneled in to these special access programs where you know, again, most congress person will have no idea about these programs or what's going on. They are not in the need to know, even if they have the classification. So these are strong words, but it's really just the beginning of it. There's a lot that Harry Reid's not explaining. The reason Harry Reid got interested in this subject at all is because of the Bob Blazar story and being in a vata politician would talk with George Knapp, and so he learned that bobzar story is true, and he learned that this is something the et technology or foreign technologies that we don't really have a handle on. And then it was Upawn and this is something that people don't know. Again, it's upon understanding the skin Walker Ranch story that really motivated Harry Reid because he read George Knapp's book. It motivated him to take this issue more seriously and try to initiate funding for it, because he thought, scientifically, if we can get a handle on this, even a glimpse, that this is the biggest thing that has ever happened to national events and humanity. So yes, I think it's a powerful statement. It's also powerful that the New York Times Proutthers article and that they admitted to the advanced A the Aerial Threat Identification Program. I mean that is the modern day Project Bluebook, and it has not ended in twenty twelve, like stated, the only thing that ended with the partnership with Robert Bigelow a Bigelow Aerospace to study Skinwalker Ranch.

Yeah, well, look his perspective because he did this with black budget money. I mean, this is not even pushed through Congress, this is not asked. This is money that is created and funneled in to these special access programs where you know, again, most congress person will have no idea about these programs or what's going on. They are not in the need to know, even if they have the classification. So these are strong words, but it's really just the beginning of it. There's a lot that Harry Reid's not explaining. The reason Harry Reid got interested in this subject at all is because of the Bob Blazar story and being in a vata politician would talk with George Knapp, and so he learned that bobzar story is true, and he learned that this is something the et technology or foreign technologies that we don't really have a handle on. And then it was Upawn and this is something that people don't know. Again, it's upon understanding the skin Walker Ranch story that really motivated Harry Reid because he read George Knapp's book. It motivated him to take this issue more seriously and try to initiate funding for it, because he thought, scientifically, if we can get a handle on this, even a glimpse, that this is the biggest thing that has ever happened to national events and humanity. So yes, I think it's a powerful statement. It's also powerful that the New York Times Proutthers article and that they admitted to the advanced A the Aerial Threat Identification Program. I mean that is the modern day Project Bluebook, and it has not ended in twenty twelve, like stated, the only thing that ended with the partnership with Robert Bigelow a Bigelow Aerospace to study Skinwalker Ranch.

And on that note, we do have to emphasize, yes, Harry Reid was not acting alone. He did have support from at least two other senators who went public, Ted Stevens and Daniel Enue from Alaska and Hawaii, and of course the founder of Bigelow Aerospace, Robert T.

And on that note, we do have to emphasize, yes, Harry Reid was not acting alone. He did have support from at least two other senators who went public, Ted Stevens and Daniel Enue from Alaska and Hawaii, and of course the founder of Bigelow Aerospace, Robert T.

Bigelow.

Bigelow.

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Now, longtime listeners, you will recall a previous episodes examining Project Bluebook, and you may also recall previous mentions of Skinwalker Ranch. And if you like our show, then you are definitely going to want to hear the rest of our conversation with Jeremy Corbel after a word from our sponsor.

Okay, we're back now. Generally, when I think about the study of UFOs, I think about governmental organizations and things like Project Bluebook. I do not usually think about a private for profit organization having a hand in, you know, either taking a government contract to study UFOs or aerial phenomena or being paid in any way by a government entity. But in this case, we do have a private aerospace organization, Bigelow Aerospace, And can you like, what do you know, Jeremy about their involvement with this whole thing.

Okay, we're back now. Generally, when I think about the study of UFOs, I think about governmental organizations and things like Project Bluebook. I do not usually think about a private for profit organization having a hand in, you know, either taking a government contract to study UFOs or aerial phenomena or being paid in any way by a government entity. But in this case, we do have a private aerospace organization, Bigelow Aerospace, And can you like, what do you know, Jeremy about their involvement with this whole thing.

Yes, absolutely fascinating. This is a classic chess move by our United States government. It's like when they put facilities on Native American as sovereign nation land, where they don't have to act as if they're under jurisdiction of the federal government. They can do things outside of the parameters that are usually on them. So using private industry is the oldest trick in the book, and that's what we saw with the partnership between Bigelow Aerospace and actually the DA and the Defense Intelligence Agency, the intelligence agency within the branch of the Pentagon. So this is exactly what happened. There was a contract put out for this twenty two million to study what was going on specifically at Skinwalker Ranch, but the anomalous aerial vehicles and Bigelow already had an interest in this and had a property of high activity. The United States government wanted to understand this technology and if it was indeed otherworldly and if that is a national security problem. So that shielding that they got through using private industry, because you cannot send a Freedom of Information Act to private industry, but you could to the DA. So yeah, so partnering with Bigelow was really the way that they were able to shield themselves from public scrutiny to try to get a handle on what's going on.

Yes, absolutely fascinating. This is a classic chess move by our United States government. It's like when they put facilities on Native American as sovereign nation land, where they don't have to act as if they're under jurisdiction of the federal government. They can do things outside of the parameters that are usually on them. So using private industry is the oldest trick in the book, and that's what we saw with the partnership between Bigelow Aerospace and actually the DA and the Defense Intelligence Agency, the intelligence agency within the branch of the Pentagon. So this is exactly what happened. There was a contract put out for this twenty two million to study what was going on specifically at Skinwalker Ranch, but the anomalous aerial vehicles and Bigelow already had an interest in this and had a property of high activity. The United States government wanted to understand this technology and if it was indeed otherworldly and if that is a national security problem. So that shielding that they got through using private industry, because you cannot send a Freedom of Information Act to private industry, but you could to the DA. So yeah, so partnering with Bigelow was really the way that they were able to shield themselves from public scrutiny to try to get a handle on what's going on.

Dude, before we get crazy, I just have a quick question. I know Harry Reid's retiring soon, and there was talk, you know, he was a big he was really against the whole yucka Mountain nuclear waste repository in Nevada. And now I saw an article saying that because he's retiring, that could go forward without him there to kind of guard against it. I'm wondering if, since he was in such support of this program, you think him retiring will you know, deflate it in any way.

Dude, before we get crazy, I just have a quick question. I know Harry Reid's retiring soon, and there was talk, you know, he was a big he was really against the whole yucka Mountain nuclear waste repository in Nevada. And now I saw an article saying that because he's retiring, that could go forward without him there to kind of guard against it. I'm wondering if, since he was in such support of this program, you think him retiring will you know, deflate it in any way.

No, Actually, I don't think that Harry Reid retiring will deflate the program, because we're talking about a twenty two million pro which is like, you know, our military spends more on viagra for its soldiers than it does twenty two million per year, and this is over, you know, seven years maybe, So it's really funny. This topic is studied through every branch of our military, in every intelligence organization that studies are ongoing. So there's no deflating this. It's just we're hearing about a piece of it. Don't worry. Our government's on this.

No, Actually, I don't think that Harry Reid retiring will deflate the program, because we're talking about a twenty two million pro which is like, you know, our military spends more on viagra for its soldiers than it does twenty two million per year, and this is over, you know, seven years maybe, So it's really funny. This topic is studied through every branch of our military, in every intelligence organization that studies are ongoing. So there's no deflating this. It's just we're hearing about a piece of it. Don't worry. Our government's on this.

And one of the things that we'll hear when people bring up that that number, that twenty two million is you'll hear people say, well, that's twenty two million out of a six hundred billion annual budget, right, or I love that statistic about viagra. Just introduced this to which is my first time hearing it. This this argument to supporters seems misleading because it could it sort of circumvinced the concept of black bag budgets, or it circumventced the concept of untraceable money, which we know is a real phenomenon, not just in the Department of Defense, but in other world militaries and intelligence agencies. And we have to ask, with Knowl's earlier question about deflation, we have to ask what else we don't know? Does a program like this continue, what does it lead to? What are the other pathways in this rabbit hole? And most immediately Jeremy, is this where it gets crazy.

And one of the things that we'll hear when people bring up that that number, that twenty two million is you'll hear people say, well, that's twenty two million out of a six hundred billion annual budget, right, or I love that statistic about viagra. Just introduced this to which is my first time hearing it. This this argument to supporters seems misleading because it could it sort of circumvinced the concept of black bag budgets, or it circumventced the concept of untraceable money, which we know is a real phenomenon, not just in the Department of Defense, but in other world militaries and intelligence agencies. And we have to ask, with Knowl's earlier question about deflation, we have to ask what else we don't know? Does a program like this continue, what does it lead to? What are the other pathways in this rabbit hole? And most immediately Jeremy, is this where it gets crazy.

Yeah, I would say this is certainly where it gets crazy. I'm going to tell you a few points right now that I think the public is not picking up on, and it's very important to pick up on them, and they will blow your mind. So yes, here's where it gets crazy. So, first of all, the program did not end. What they're telling you is that that twenty two million dollar program, that little program that the contract is now over since twenty twelve, but the study of UFOs is still one of the primary studies that everybody's looking at in the United States military. So don't start to believe that it ended. It did not end. Now. Also, this event we talked about the tic TAC event series, the week long series. That was not an anomaly. It's a trend. The tic TAC event was not an isolated event. The other video that was put out by the Pentagon was what's called the Gimbal video. Something people don't know, or very few people know, is that the Gimbal video was from a completely separate set of events off of the east coast of California in twenty fifteen. So these frequencies of the are increasing. Of these tic TAC and these these similar things, and the tic TAC event also there were multiple tic TACs, and there was a USO and identified submer urged object that was turning the water underneath you know, the planes as they were flying and looking at the tic TACs. It was said the tic TAC seemed to be docking in quotes docking with the USO. So it's not isolated the government involvement, it's something else that where it gets crazy. The DA the DEIA, the Defense Intelligence Agency, was the one in charge of this program through the twenty two million dollars, so we're talking about a major intelligence agency within the United States. In the article something else another point people didn't really pick up on. There were alloys. There were skifs that were built, you know, to protect information and actual objects at Big Low Aerospace in Las Vegas, Nevada. These were being held there foreign to say it nicely, foreign technologies or alloys. So you know UFO alloys. And I think what we're going to learn a lot about in the next year or so is the atomic layering of these alloys. How do we know that they weren't created on Earth by another nation? So keep your eyes out for that, and don't forget that was said in the article. They were warehousing alloys. They also mentioned really briefly, and this was a leak about medical studies for UAP or unidentified flying objects or UFOs, whatever you want to call them, encounters by our government and military personnel. So there are medical studies on individuals who had prolonged UAP unidentified aero phenomena encounters. That's something that hopefully we will learn more about. Now let's talk about demons, since we're going to where it gets crazy. The program was stopped because people were scared lists of being in this all being on the front page of any news report, because some people believe this was not the works of aliens or ets, but it was in fact demonic. This is true. Within our intelligence agencies, people believe this, and they didn't want it splashed on the New York Times because they believed it was demonic. That is true. That is crazy. So, I mean, I don't know what it is, but that is wild. The other thing is the Skinwalker Ranch connection has not been flashed out, and I'm making a movie on that. I'm making a movie to show those connections between these recent UFO events, the twenty two million and the Skinwalker ranch connection, and so that kind of leads us to that. But all of that to me is wild.

Yeah, I would say this is certainly where it gets crazy. I'm going to tell you a few points right now that I think the public is not picking up on, and it's very important to pick up on them, and they will blow your mind. So yes, here's where it gets crazy. So, first of all, the program did not end. What they're telling you is that that twenty two million dollar program, that little program that the contract is now over since twenty twelve, but the study of UFOs is still one of the primary studies that everybody's looking at in the United States military. So don't start to believe that it ended. It did not end. Now. Also, this event we talked about the tic TAC event series, the week long series. That was not an anomaly. It's a trend. The tic TAC event was not an isolated event. The other video that was put out by the Pentagon was what's called the Gimbal video. Something people don't know, or very few people know, is that the Gimbal video was from a completely separate set of events off of the east coast of California in twenty fifteen. So these frequencies of the are increasing. Of these tic TAC and these these similar things, and the tic TAC event also there were multiple tic TACs, and there was a USO and identified submer urged object that was turning the water underneath you know, the planes as they were flying and looking at the tic TACs. It was said the tic TAC seemed to be docking in quotes docking with the USO. So it's not isolated the government involvement, it's something else that where it gets crazy. The DA the DEIA, the Defense Intelligence Agency, was the one in charge of this program through the twenty two million dollars, so we're talking about a major intelligence agency within the United States. In the article something else another point people didn't really pick up on. There were alloys. There were skifs that were built, you know, to protect information and actual objects at Big Low Aerospace in Las Vegas, Nevada. These were being held there foreign to say it nicely, foreign technologies or alloys. So you know UFO alloys. And I think what we're going to learn a lot about in the next year or so is the atomic layering of these alloys. How do we know that they weren't created on Earth by another nation? So keep your eyes out for that, and don't forget that was said in the article. They were warehousing alloys. They also mentioned really briefly, and this was a leak about medical studies for UAP or unidentified flying objects or UFOs, whatever you want to call them, encounters by our government and military personnel. So there are medical studies on individuals who had prolonged UAP unidentified aero phenomena encounters. That's something that hopefully we will learn more about. Now let's talk about demons, since we're going to where it gets crazy. The program was stopped because people were scared lists of being in this all being on the front page of any news report, because some people believe this was not the works of aliens or ets, but it was in fact demonic. This is true. Within our intelligence agencies, people believe this, and they didn't want it splashed on the New York Times because they believed it was demonic. That is true. That is crazy. So, I mean, I don't know what it is, but that is wild. The other thing is the Skinwalker Ranch connection has not been flashed out, and I'm making a movie on that. I'm making a movie to show those connections between these recent UFO events, the twenty two million and the Skinwalker ranch connection, and so that kind of leads us to that. But all of that to me is wild.

Yeah, agreed.

Yeah, agreed.

And one thing, that's one thing that's interesting when you mention that people within the government, some of the people in Uncle Sam's employ felt that there were religious or spiritual implications about that. We know that can sound insane, folks, but we have to remember that regardless of what someone's occupation is or what the role is, there are still a human being and they move by these human modives. So if someone takes if someone interprets a threat seriously enough right, then they will feel that it is a moral imperative to report it. So this, uh, while just hearing what you heard just now might sound like creepy pasta on the internet, the fact is that these were real people. These were genuine government employees who were voicing these concerns.

And one thing, that's one thing that's interesting when you mention that people within the government, some of the people in Uncle Sam's employ felt that there were religious or spiritual implications about that. We know that can sound insane, folks, but we have to remember that regardless of what someone's occupation is or what the role is, there are still a human being and they move by these human modives. So if someone takes if someone interprets a threat seriously enough right, then they will feel that it is a moral imperative to report it. So this, uh, while just hearing what you heard just now might sound like creepy pasta on the internet, the fact is that these were real people. These were genuine government employees who were voicing these concerns.

Yeah, and they're seeing it through their own lens, right.

Yeah, and they're seeing it through their own lens, right.

Which is there's nothing wrong with because you know, I don't know the ultimate truth. If anybody says they know the ultimate truth, they're lying. But that perspective is worthy of an individual who has religious faith to say, this is my concern. What we're witnessing is the act of the dabble. You know, these are not aliens, This is demonic and that in fact halted progress on these studies it did, which is pretty intense.

Which is there's nothing wrong with because you know, I don't know the ultimate truth. If anybody says they know the ultimate truth, they're lying. But that perspective is worthy of an individual who has religious faith to say, this is my concern. What we're witnessing is the act of the dabble. You know, these are not aliens, This is demonic and that in fact halted progress on these studies it did, which is pretty intense.

Wow.

Wow.

Let's talk a little bit more in depth about skin Walker Ranch while we're here, because one thing that you can say for sure about Skinwalker Ranch, whether you are tuning in as a.

Let's talk a little bit more in depth about skin Walker Ranch while we're here, because one thing that you can say for sure about Skinwalker Ranch, whether you are tuning in as a.

Guide in the world, believer.

Guide in the world, believer.

About a very specific aspect of it, or whether you consider yourself a James Randy esque skeptic, you can easily admit that Skinwalker Ranch is the subject of intense controversy. Since we talked about on James Randy, one of the messianic figures of the Internet skeptic movement, had said that he had deemed Robert Bigelow's purchase of Skinwalker Ranch as a useless study or useless investigation, whereas other people have sworn that they have seen incredibly anomalous activities such as cattle mutilation right the strange, strange objects in the sky. And what we were hoping to ask you, as you're our go to expert on this, could you give our listeners an overview of Skinwalker Ranch as Okay, I'll just go to the chase.

About a very specific aspect of it, or whether you consider yourself a James Randy esque skeptic, you can easily admit that Skinwalker Ranch is the subject of intense controversy. Since we talked about on James Randy, one of the messianic figures of the Internet skeptic movement, had said that he had deemed Robert Bigelow's purchase of Skinwalker Ranch as a useless study or useless investigation, whereas other people have sworn that they have seen incredibly anomalous activities such as cattle mutilation right the strange, strange objects in the sky. And what we were hoping to ask you, as you're our go to expert on this, could you give our listeners an overview of Skinwalker Ranch as Okay, I'll just go to the chase.

What the heck's going on there? Man?

What the heck's going on there? Man?

It's a great question, and it's easy to throw stones someone like James Randy at Robert Bigelow saying it's useless or whatever. But you know what, our Defense Intelligence Agency did not think it was useless. In fact, Skinwalker Ranch was the subject of the most intense scientific study of UFOs and the paranormal by our United States government in history. So it wasn't just one eccentric billionaire putting his money behind this. Now we know that. Now we know there was a partnership made with Thedia. So people can throw stones and say that sounds ridiculous, and I agree, it sounds ridiculous. But you wouldn't do a prolonged study at a place if there wasn't scientific information and data that you were getting let it be classified or not. So let's talk about Skinwalker Ranch, the bullet points or this. In nineteen ninety eight, real estate mogul self made billionaire Robert Bigelow a big Low Aerospace. He purchased the four hundred and eighty acre ranch in northeastern Utah to use as a living laboratory to study the UFO phenomenon, and historically, just to put it out there, this location or this whole you into basin, has been inundated with bizarre phenomena going on back generations. So Bigelow just wanted answers to some you know, some big questions, and he was determined to find them, regardless of the cost. What happened at the ranch historically, you know, what's claimed to lurk in the shadows goes far beyond UFOs, but bizarre events range from you know, perplexing to wholly terrifying, vanishing and mutilated cattle, unidentified flying objects, huge otherworldly creatures, appearing, flying orbs, everything under the sun. Like a grab bag of bizarre is what was reported by scientists and locals in this area for generations. And one family at this ranch, you know, their life was under siege by these unknown enemies or entities and nothing could explain it. And they thought maybe science could and in enters Robert Bigelow and he employed a crack team, a pH d level scientists to conduct long term investigation into the reports of the phenomena, and the team was tasked to use the ranch as this living laboratory. You know, that's big low zone words in the uent to basin. And they quietly and with rigor, they studied the ranch and what they encountered during that study would test their beliefs and even their sense of reason. And that's what's skin Walker Ranches a living laboratory and the most scientifically studied paranorma hot body in history. And our government was involved.

It's a great question, and it's easy to throw stones someone like James Randy at Robert Bigelow saying it's useless or whatever. But you know what, our Defense Intelligence Agency did not think it was useless. In fact, Skinwalker Ranch was the subject of the most intense scientific study of UFOs and the paranormal by our United States government in history. So it wasn't just one eccentric billionaire putting his money behind this. Now we know that. Now we know there was a partnership made with Thedia. So people can throw stones and say that sounds ridiculous, and I agree, it sounds ridiculous. But you wouldn't do a prolonged study at a place if there wasn't scientific information and data that you were getting let it be classified or not. So let's talk about Skinwalker Ranch, the bullet points or this. In nineteen ninety eight, real estate mogul self made billionaire Robert Bigelow a big Low Aerospace. He purchased the four hundred and eighty acre ranch in northeastern Utah to use as a living laboratory to study the UFO phenomenon, and historically, just to put it out there, this location or this whole you into basin, has been inundated with bizarre phenomena going on back generations. So Bigelow just wanted answers to some you know, some big questions, and he was determined to find them, regardless of the cost. What happened at the ranch historically, you know, what's claimed to lurk in the shadows goes far beyond UFOs, but bizarre events range from you know, perplexing to wholly terrifying, vanishing and mutilated cattle, unidentified flying objects, huge otherworldly creatures, appearing, flying orbs, everything under the sun. Like a grab bag of bizarre is what was reported by scientists and locals in this area for generations. And one family at this ranch, you know, their life was under siege by these unknown enemies or entities and nothing could explain it. And they thought maybe science could and in enters Robert Bigelow and he employed a crack team, a pH d level scientists to conduct long term investigation into the reports of the phenomena, and the team was tasked to use the ranch as this living laboratory. You know, that's big low zone words in the uent to basin. And they quietly and with rigor, they studied the ranch and what they encountered during that study would test their beliefs and even their sense of reason. And that's what's skin Walker Ranches a living laboratory and the most scientifically studied paranorma hot body in history. And our government was involved.

And we're going to get deeper into this story after a quick word from our sponsor. So jeremy, give us a little insight on how you've come to acquire what I've seen from a trailer, boxes and boxes of videotapes and documents all about the Skinwalker Ranch.

And we're going to get deeper into this story after a quick word from our sponsor. So jeremy, give us a little insight on how you've come to acquire what I've seen from a trailer, boxes and boxes of videotapes and documents all about the Skinwalker Ranch.

Sure, well, right time, right place, my mentor, George Napp. You know he's a two time Peabody Awarding award winning, you know, twenty seven Emmy journalist. The guy breaks stories right and last day and night for thirty years. Right. So, one thing that he did was he earned the trust of those involved by keeping his mouth shut and being able to be on location, you know, dozens and dozens of time and working with the scientific teams to just have a journalistic standpoint on it that one day maybe he could make a documentary or reveal this info, and he's let out little bits and pieces. But now that the ranch has changed hands, all of that has been altered. We can now tell this story. So poking and prodding and trying to get the information and what he's collected and sorting it and corelating it, that's what I've been doing for the last couple of years. And wow, what I've been covered through this is truly shocking and interesting. So that led me to want to make a movie on it.

Sure, well, right time, right place, my mentor, George Napp. You know he's a two time Peabody Awarding award winning, you know, twenty seven Emmy journalist. The guy breaks stories right and last day and night for thirty years. Right. So, one thing that he did was he earned the trust of those involved by keeping his mouth shut and being able to be on location, you know, dozens and dozens of time and working with the scientific teams to just have a journalistic standpoint on it that one day maybe he could make a documentary or reveal this info, and he's let out little bits and pieces. But now that the ranch has changed hands, all of that has been altered. We can now tell this story. So poking and prodding and trying to get the information and what he's collected and sorting it and corelating it, that's what I've been doing for the last couple of years. And wow, what I've been covered through this is truly shocking and interesting. So that led me to want to make a movie on it.

Okay, So George Knapp had these documents, and it appears that he was under some kind of non disclosure agreement, and that's the I'm trying to understand here. He wasn't allowed to talk about it for a while.

Okay, So George Knapp had these documents, and it appears that he was under some kind of non disclosure agreement, and that's the I'm trying to understand here. He wasn't allowed to talk about it for a while.

Yeah, journalistic ethics is more about it. If you're let in to observe and look at something and your set you're told you know, as a journalist, you know it is not the time to talk about this, but I want it kind of recorded for history. We're not talking about just documents. We're also talking about footage, actual footage that goes back twenty years. So this is something that he kept his word as a journalist. The moment he breaks that, people no longer trust him, you know, if they're a source for him. So he kept his word and he did not leak any information, although he did report on it from time to time in the capacity he could even wrote a book on you know, Hunter for the Skinwalk or great book it'll get you up to date on what happened there. So he was able to put some stuff out, but the meat of it, yeah, he had to is a human burden as a journalist. He had to sit on it and those that time has now.

Yeah, journalistic ethics is more about it. If you're let in to observe and look at something and your set you're told you know, as a journalist, you know it is not the time to talk about this, but I want it kind of recorded for history. We're not talking about just documents. We're also talking about footage, actual footage that goes back twenty years. So this is something that he kept his word as a journalist. The moment he breaks that, people no longer trust him, you know, if they're a source for him. So he kept his word and he did not leak any information, although he did report on it from time to time in the capacity he could even wrote a book on you know, Hunter for the Skinwalk or great book it'll get you up to date on what happened there. So he was able to put some stuff out, but the meat of it, yeah, he had to is a human burden as a journalist. He had to sit on it and those that time has now.

Gone, and that was a burden that you were also shouldering for your time researching this this upcoming work. One thing that's interesting that I know a lot of a lot of us in the audience are going to ask and it's completely fine if this and completely understandable. There's a question that shouldn't be answered on air. You mentioned that Robert Bigelow no longer owns Skinwalker Ranch, that it was acquired by another party.

Gone, and that was a burden that you were also shouldering for your time researching this this upcoming work. One thing that's interesting that I know a lot of a lot of us in the audience are going to ask and it's completely fine if this and completely understandable. There's a question that shouldn't be answered on air. You mentioned that Robert Bigelow no longer owns Skinwalker Ranch, that it was acquired by another party.

Do we know who that party.

Do we know who that party.

Is and do they wish they were remain anonymous? Are they affiliated with the government in any way, et cetera.

Is and do they wish they were remain anonymous? Are they affiliated with the government in any way, et cetera.

The public does not know who the new owner of Skinwalker Ranch is. The new owner of Skinwalker Ranch is not affiliated with the government, to the best of my knowledge, and the new owner desires to remain out of the public eye. So I respect that and again journalistic integrity, and there's you know, no reason to go beyond that. But yeah, that you know, there is new ownership, and that is interesting.

The public does not know who the new owner of Skinwalker Ranch is. The new owner of Skinwalker Ranch is not affiliated with the government, to the best of my knowledge, and the new owner desires to remain out of the public eye. So I respect that and again journalistic integrity, and there's you know, no reason to go beyond that. But yeah, that you know, there is new ownership, and that is interesting.

Okay, this, I'm really glad that we got that out into the air. I also wanted to well, Matt Nolan and I wanted to follow up on something that we had been thinking about four years and I know you're on the same page with us here, and that's the larger concept of disclosure capital D disclosure, And this is to catch everyone up. This is the idea that there would be some globally recognized acknowledgement of either evidence of extraterrestrials visiting in the past, evidence of extraterrestrial life even if it hasn't contacted Earth, or something like that. Do you see this announcement by the Pentagon, regardless of how much SLOW remains classified, do you see this as a step toward that? Do you believe that disclosure is an impending phenomenon?

Okay, this, I'm really glad that we got that out into the air. I also wanted to well, Matt Nolan and I wanted to follow up on something that we had been thinking about four years and I know you're on the same page with us here, and that's the larger concept of disclosure capital D disclosure, And this is to catch everyone up. This is the idea that there would be some globally recognized acknowledgement of either evidence of extraterrestrials visiting in the past, evidence of extraterrestrial life even if it hasn't contacted Earth, or something like that. Do you see this announcement by the Pentagon, regardless of how much SLOW remains classified, do you see this as a step toward that? Do you believe that disclosure is an impending phenomenon?

No, disclosure will not happen. People would go to jail. It would also be very damaging to the world in general. However, confirmation is something that appears that we are inching towards to some people even believe we've had confirmation if you really read and understand and talk with the people involved here from the news reports to the television interviews. But I think it's a very important to understand disclosure with the capital D. That is a fantasy. People would go to jail if the United States government says we are in fact being visited by extra terrestrials and we have been for a long time, and here's all the information we've been reverse engineering their technology or attempting to that is that people would would go down for that. So that's not going to happen. But what might happen and appears we are inching towards, is confirmation, the idea that hey, there are unknowns, and these unknowns they have to be piloted if it's what it appears, although all the evidence shows these are not beings from other star systems visiting us, but in fact it's much more complex than that. That's actually what the evidence shows. But yeah, I believe we're inching towards confirmation of what we do know to a degree, but no, no disclosure with a capital D. That's that's just never going to happen in my opinion.

No, disclosure will not happen. People would go to jail. It would also be very damaging to the world in general. However, confirmation is something that appears that we are inching towards to some people even believe we've had confirmation if you really read and understand and talk with the people involved here from the news reports to the television interviews. But I think it's a very important to understand disclosure with the capital D. That is a fantasy. People would go to jail if the United States government says we are in fact being visited by extra terrestrials and we have been for a long time, and here's all the information we've been reverse engineering their technology or attempting to that is that people would would go down for that. So that's not going to happen. But what might happen and appears we are inching towards, is confirmation, the idea that hey, there are unknowns, and these unknowns they have to be piloted if it's what it appears, although all the evidence shows these are not beings from other star systems visiting us, but in fact it's much more complex than that. That's actually what the evidence shows. But yeah, I believe we're inching towards confirmation of what we do know to a degree, but no, no disclosure with a capital D. That's that's just never going to happen in my opinion.

Well, that's disheartening, Jeremy, because I've been waiting on that for a long time.

Well, that's disheartening, Jeremy, because I've been waiting on that for a long time.

No, no, no, I'm joking.

No, no, no, I'm joking.

We're totally I guess the reason I'm to We're totally joking. But it's like, you know, they released They do tend to release stuff years and years and years later when it seems like it maybe is irrelevant for actual living humans, like things about the Kennedy assassination and stuff. But I feel like you're I agree with you. It doesn't seem like the government does things like that and for any other reason than to placate people and not actually to inform.

We're totally I guess the reason I'm to We're totally joking. But it's like, you know, they released They do tend to release stuff years and years and years later when it seems like it maybe is irrelevant for actual living humans, like things about the Kennedy assassination and stuff. But I feel like you're I agree with you. It doesn't seem like the government does things like that and for any other reason than to placate people and not actually to inform.

Right or to get what they want. Remember the eleson in the room here is that how these craft operate on the On the last show with you, I said, the only one thing we know about UFOs is that it's a huge amount of energy in a very small amount of space. Scientifically we know that. So now we're looking again at a fierce technology. It's like the moment that you learn how to make a nuclear reactor for power. You cannot unlearn how to make a nuclear bomb. So the weaponization potential of these technologies are so powerful that for all the good things that could do for us, it could be a very destructive. It would be a very destructive technology. And so that is the elephant in the room.

Right or to get what they want. Remember the eleson in the room here is that how these craft operate on the On the last show with you, I said, the only one thing we know about UFOs is that it's a huge amount of energy in a very small amount of space. Scientifically we know that. So now we're looking again at a fierce technology. It's like the moment that you learn how to make a nuclear reactor for power. You cannot unlearn how to make a nuclear bomb. So the weaponization potential of these technologies are so powerful that for all the good things that could do for us, it could be a very destructive. It would be a very destructive technology. And so that is the elephant in the room.

Wow, Okay, I'm going back to the twenty two million dollars because I think this is an important point and it kind of touches on disclosure as well. The FA eighteen super Hornet that Commander David Fraverer was flying when he saw the tic tac UFO incident, the price tag on that vehicle if you were going to buy it in twenty seventeen, that of course, was two thousand and four, it would be seventy million dollars. And if you're imagining that that single jet that that single pilot was flying that observed a UFO is several times more than the entire operating budget for a program. For me, that spells smokescreen or perhaps almost a front or disinformation of some sort in some way. That's just what that's what it feels like to me in my gut. And I just wonder if you've encountered anything like that that would make you think there's something fishy going on.

Wow, Okay, I'm going back to the twenty two million dollars because I think this is an important point and it kind of touches on disclosure as well. The FA eighteen super Hornet that Commander David Fraverer was flying when he saw the tic tac UFO incident, the price tag on that vehicle if you were going to buy it in twenty seventeen, that of course, was two thousand and four, it would be seventy million dollars. And if you're imagining that that single jet that that single pilot was flying that observed a UFO is several times more than the entire operating budget for a program. For me, that spells smokescreen or perhaps almost a front or disinformation of some sort in some way. That's just what that's what it feels like to me in my gut. And I just wonder if you've encountered anything like that that would make you think there's something fishy going on.

Well, I mean, the only thing fishy going on is that we're not being told where our tax dollars are being spent on. It's not being acknowledged that this is a high priority. That again, that twenty two million is just a drop in the budget. That's what's a drop in the bucket. And that that's what's so funny about this. There are programs in every branch of our military, in every intelligence agency. I can tell you that with definitive fact. So this little tiny drop is part of an ocean of financing that goes towards trying to understand these fierce technologies.

Well, I mean, the only thing fishy going on is that we're not being told where our tax dollars are being spent on. It's not being acknowledged that this is a high priority. That again, that twenty two million is just a drop in the budget. That's what's a drop in the bucket. And that that's what's so funny about this. There are programs in every branch of our military, in every intelligence agency. I can tell you that with definitive fact. So this little tiny drop is part of an ocean of financing that goes towards trying to understand these fierce technologies.

Got you, so, I guess I just have I have worries about it being some kind of disinformation or counterintelligence program to cover up just advanced testing, because you know, it's that whole I want to believe thing. I am nervous that maybe somebody is pulling my leg, even all the way up to the Harry Reids, just so that something else can be covered up.

Got you, so, I guess I just have I have worries about it being some kind of disinformation or counterintelligence program to cover up just advanced testing, because you know, it's that whole I want to believe thing. I am nervous that maybe somebody is pulling my leg, even all the way up to the Harry Reids, just so that something else can be covered up.

Well, that would be fantastic, I mean, that would be a wild truth if that were indeed the case, and we always do need to look at that, because our government historically has been really good at saying, look at the left hand when I'm doing something with the right hand. But indeed, these are This is not a smoke screen to the best of my knowledge. I mean, these are things being observed by trained fighter pilots, by witnesses all around the world for centuries, and so this phenomenon is real. We might not understand it deeply from a government level, but they do want to know as much as they can. It is outside the scope of my imagination. Essentially telling the public that these things are happening is somehow going to benefit the budget or benefit the you know, the needs of the government. I think the people that have come forward are just like you and me. They believe this is worthy of proper investigation and that the American public should know.

Well, that would be fantastic, I mean, that would be a wild truth if that were indeed the case, and we always do need to look at that, because our government historically has been really good at saying, look at the left hand when I'm doing something with the right hand. But indeed, these are This is not a smoke screen to the best of my knowledge. I mean, these are things being observed by trained fighter pilots, by witnesses all around the world for centuries, and so this phenomenon is real. We might not understand it deeply from a government level, but they do want to know as much as they can. It is outside the scope of my imagination. Essentially telling the public that these things are happening is somehow going to benefit the budget or benefit the you know, the needs of the government. I think the people that have come forward are just like you and me. They believe this is worthy of proper investigation and that the American public should know.

Well said, Well said Jeremy. This brings us to.

Well said, Well said Jeremy. This brings us to.

Another question that we always want to include when we're talking about unfolding events, and this can go wherever you see fit. What do you see as the near or mid future? I guess consequences might be too strong a word, but the results are the ripples of this announcement.

Another question that we always want to include when we're talking about unfolding events, and this can go wherever you see fit. What do you see as the near or mid future? I guess consequences might be too strong a word, but the results are the ripples of this announcement.

Well, I think it's going to be followed up. And I think that if we can get to the point where the public really understands, I mean, gosh, the public was so interested when that New York Times article came out. I mean it just blasted off. This is a topic everybody. If you have a curious bone in your body, you have to be interested in this. It's just a matter of the devils and the details, really trying to read and see what's going on. I think that once alloys are presented to the public that are clearly not made by human hand because of the perfect atomic layering of elements that should not be able to be fused together, and the properties of these alloys how they interact with our known physics in slightly different ways, if that is shown, if that is shown in a big way through major media, you will have to ask yourself who made these alloys. So I think slowly and over time. Remember, we're being promised more videos by the Tom DeLong conglomerate of really incredible intelligence and aviation people and CIA people that kind of thing, that there are more videos. The third one is promised. I happen to know that there are a lot more videos that were unclassified. So the question is what is the public going to be exposed to slowly and what will the questions be? What will the public ask? And asking the right question that I have learned through this type of work is the most important. So in the near future, I think it's just getting the public to ask the right questions in a big way, and it's going to take a drip by drip more information coming out to get us.