My favorite conversations with people are when they share something about themselves. I don't know, And I noticed that the objects of our lives have so much meaning when you stop and think about them, which got me wondering, what if some of the world's funniest and most interesting people chose three of their most treasured objects and shared the stories behind them, stories you've never heard before.

My favorite conversations with people are when they share something about themselves. I don't know, And I noticed that the objects of our lives have so much meaning when you stop and think about them, which got me wondering, what if some of the world's funniest and most interesting people chose three of their most treasured objects and shared the stories behind them, stories you've never heard before.

It's difficult, right, It is difficult to distell it down into three objects without just trying to like trick the game to be like well, birth certificate. That's no fun for anyone, And obviously for people that know me, well, you know you've got your obvious ones, so like you know, pound of cocaine, god, bullion, gun, Yeah, you know that's me, money, fame, power, Pablo Blake, just condoms and handguns.

It's difficult, right, It is difficult to distell it down into three objects without just trying to like trick the game to be like well, birth certificate. That's no fun for anyone, And obviously for people that know me, well, you know you've got your obvious ones, so like you know, pound of cocaine, god, bullion, gun, Yeah, you know that's me, money, fame, power, Pablo Blake, just condoms and handguns.

And that's a toitle of your autobography is great.

And that's a toitle of your autobography is great.

But then but then you sort of go, well, that's not funny, that like, what what you can't do? Silly ones? But I was walking around my house going, I, I mean, I've got let stuff in my house.

But then but then you sort of go, well, that's not funny, that like, what what you can't do? Silly ones? But I was walking around my house going, I, I mean, I've got let stuff in my house.

But you make it sound like you're a clown. Are listening to clown? Is it a clown car?

But you make it sound like you're a clown. Are listening to clown? Is it a clown car?

Or a tiny doors. I've got my cream pie machine.

Or a tiny doors. I've got my cream pie machine.

Obviously that is very special size shoes.

Obviously that is very special size shoes.

That's how I make my living's just making those cream bars.

That's how I make my living's just making those cream bars.

I'm Christian O'Connell and this is the stuff of legends today with Hamish Blake.

I'm Christian O'Connell and this is the stuff of legends today with Hamish Blake.

Hello, I'm Hamish Blake, esteemed guest of Christian Occupy.

Hello, I'm Hamish Blake, esteemed guest of Christian Occupy.

Now when you chat to Hamish Blake, you've got to have your a game. Seriously. It's like if you're a black belt and you think you're pretty good, and then suddenly you meet Hamish Blake. He humbled, you're a white belt. He's just so funny, so quick. He's just on a different he's just in a different atmosphere, and I've got to be I was going into this. I was kind of nervous because I thought, I, if it's all going to be so quick and so funny, we might miss on what this is really about. But he didn't turn up like that. He didn't have his black belt ninth down with him. He's a comedian, actor, author, one half of Australia's most successful comedy duo, Hamish and Andy.

Now when you chat to Hamish Blake, you've got to have your a game. Seriously. It's like if you're a black belt and you think you're pretty good, and then suddenly you meet Hamish Blake. He humbled, you're a white belt. He's just so funny, so quick. He's just on a different he's just in a different atmosphere, and I've got to be I was going into this. I was kind of nervous because I thought, I, if it's all going to be so quick and so funny, we might miss on what this is really about. But he didn't turn up like that. He didn't have his black belt ninth down with him. He's a comedian, actor, author, one half of Australia's most successful comedy duo, Hamish and Andy.

Often I get introduced as radio and television comedian, but there are qualifiers to that like, I'm not exactly a stand up median, but you wouldn't. I guess people put that the word in because it's like, well, he doesn't doesn't do serious stuff.

Often I get introduced as radio and television comedian, but there are qualifiers to that like, I'm not exactly a stand up median, but you wouldn't. I guess people put that the word in because it's like, well, he doesn't doesn't do serious stuff.

So a silly.

So a silly.

Man, a modern day clown. Let's just kick him in the ass and laughing him as he falls over. And he's given us nothing else.

Man, a modern day clown. Let's just kick him in the ass and laughing him as he falls over. And he's given us nothing else.

No matter how well you think you know Hamish, his three most treasured items are about to reveal so much more.

No matter how well you think you know Hamish, his three most treasured items are about to reveal so much more.

So why don't we start? Why do we start with this? This is a book, right? I know that's that is that could be a little bit of it. That's an easy option. But in the comedy field, right, trying to trace back that feeling of what was the early rumblings of like laughter is fun. I love I love that other people are laughing. You know that you can make someone else laugh. I love the idea of a joke and being in on a joke and creating a joke. This is a book. This is the book called The Far Side Gallery by Gary Larson.

So why don't we start? Why do we start with this? This is a book, right? I know that's that is that could be a little bit of it. That's an easy option. But in the comedy field, right, trying to trace back that feeling of what was the early rumblings of like laughter is fun. I love I love that other people are laughing. You know that you can make someone else laugh. I love the idea of a joke and being in on a joke and creating a joke. This is a book. This is the book called The Far Side Gallery by Gary Larson.

Yeah amazing.

Yeah amazing.

I was obsessed with fast side cartoons as a kid, obsessed for bill that know them, You're they're like a single cell cartoon. Often it's an absurd world presented very surreal, very seriously.

I was obsessed with fast side cartoons as a kid, obsessed for bill that know them, You're they're like a single cell cartoon. Often it's an absurd world presented very surreal, very seriously.

So if it was stand up, it's said years old, it.

So if it was stand up, it's said years old, it.

Is it is, which is very you totally, but it's you know, it's here. He goes like a parent, couple of parents who look like there are the fifties in America coming home. There's a witch there, like in a witch's hat. She's looking a bit sheepish and grumpy. And the dad's going, let me get this straight. You we hired you to babysit the kids, and he's dead. You cooked and ate them both in capitals, like both is the worst part, Like one that he could have withstood, but both is the worst. And she's like rolling her eyes and being a bit scolden. But I was like, and it's just a world of talking animals.

Is it is, which is very you totally, but it's you know, it's here. He goes like a parent, couple of parents who look like there are the fifties in America coming home. There's a witch there, like in a witch's hat. She's looking a bit sheepish and grumpy. And the dad's going, let me get this straight. You we hired you to babysit the kids, and he's dead. You cooked and ate them both in capitals, like both is the worst part, Like one that he could have withstood, but both is the worst. And she's like rolling her eyes and being a bit scolden. But I was like, and it's just a world of talking animals.

And yeah, cows and dogs. I remember one Gary Laston cartoon that sticks in my mind is that there's a great one where there's a dog that's rolled up on its master's bed at bedtime. They're all to sleep in there. The cat's outside really annoyed looking into the and he's trying to whisper through the wind.

And yeah, cows and dogs. I remember one Gary Laston cartoon that sticks in my mind is that there's a great one where there's a dog that's rolled up on its master's bed at bedtime. They're all to sleep in there. The cat's outside really annoyed looking into the and he's trying to whisper through the wind.

Put the dog out.

Put the dog out.

Yeah, I love Gary loss stuff. That's amazing though, So how old are you when you got into Gary Larsen the.

Yeah, I love Gary loss stuff. That's amazing though, So how old are you when you got into Gary Larsen the.

Far so end of primary school, start of high school? I remember because I remember, and I would, I would print it, I would buy the calendar, the war calendar, and I just cut out the cartoons and I just put them all over my room, like every door in my bedroom was fast side cartoons. Like I haven't I haven't opened these books up for maybe ten years, but I almost feel I used to be able to do this, like totally easily. Almost feel if I handed you this book and you open to any page and you told me what was in the cartoon, I could tell you the caption.

Far so end of primary school, start of high school? I remember because I remember, and I would, I would print it, I would buy the calendar, the war calendar, and I just cut out the cartoons and I just put them all over my room, like every door in my bedroom was fast side cartoons. Like I haven't I haven't opened these books up for maybe ten years, but I almost feel I used to be able to do this, like totally easily. Almost feel if I handed you this book and you open to any page and you told me what was in the cartoon, I could tell you the caption.

Do that.

Do that.

Now I must, let's try. I mean, I reckon, I've got a one in two shots be able to do this flawlessly and you know it before you do it, Like I think, what I'm looking back on it because I really do see it as formative in my understanding of comedy, the effort and the subtlety that Gary Larsen would put into the comics. And it was the first time I was like, this is a guy in America that's written this weird thing, and I'm opening a book here in Australia, and I get it and I love it, and I sort of felt like I was part of a little club. I think that's the bit that was that pulled me in the most.

Now I must, let's try. I mean, I reckon, I've got a one in two shots be able to do this flawlessly and you know it before you do it, Like I think, what I'm looking back on it because I really do see it as formative in my understanding of comedy, the effort and the subtlety that Gary Larsen would put into the comics. And it was the first time I was like, this is a guy in America that's written this weird thing, and I'm opening a book here in Australia, and I get it and I love it, and I sort of felt like I was part of a little club. I think that's the bit that was that pulled me in the most.

Oh these are brilliant. I've forgot how great these were. Okay, all right, you got two middle aged looking people indoors. There's two cows in their front room. One of the cows is on their table.

Oh these are brilliant. I've forgot how great these were. Okay, all right, you got two middle aged looking people indoors. There's two cows in their front room. One of the cows is on their table.

Oh are they are? They are? They just sort of shoot shoot get out?

Oh are they are? They are? They just sort of shoot shoot get out?

No, both the cows have got beers.

No, both the cows have got beers.

Hang on, are they are the cows are? One of the cows is dancing. Yes, the cows are dancing on one leg is kicking a leg. Yes, yes, it's something. Oh damn it, I know I know this cell.

Hang on, are they are the cows are? One of the cows is dancing. Yes, the cows are dancing on one leg is kicking a leg. Yes, yes, it's something. Oh damn it, I know I know this cell.

Go and give me the captain the husband as central wife satisfied. I warned you not to invite the cows in for a few drinks. How funny is that?

Go and give me the captain the husband as central wife satisfied. I warned you not to invite the cows in for a few drinks. How funny is that?

They're great? Okay, one more, I haven't done this for I mean, this used to be my party trick when I was eighteen, so it isn't about twenty two years ago.

They're great? Okay, one more, I haven't done this for I mean, this used to be my party trick when I was eighteen, so it isn't about twenty two years ago.

All Right, two elephants are stood up. One elephant is pointed to the backside of the other elephant with.

All Right, two elephants are stood up. One elephant is pointed to the backside of the other elephant with.

His Oh, he says, I can't remember the name. He was like, oh, I think you've I think you sat in something. It's like a squashed man, a squash man on his.

His Oh, he says, I can't remember the name. He was like, oh, I think you've I think you sat in something. It's like a squashed man, a squash man on his.

Squash man on his ass a safari. Ye, Well, Frank, guess what you sat in? Frank?

Squash man on his ass a safari. Ye, Well, Frank, guess what you sat in? Frank?

Larry and Frank. They were always Larry's and Franks. And then I discovered a bit later on that it was like a thing that some people didn't like, the Fastide because I thought it was a bit too weird, it was a bit too intellectual. And I think I liked that too that I was like, all right, I.

Larry and Frank. They were always Larry's and Franks. And then I discovered a bit later on that it was like a thing that some people didn't like, the Fastide because I thought it was a bit too weird, it was a bit too intellectual. And I think I liked that too that I was like, all right, I.

Enjoyed there's something left field and smart about them.

Enjoyed there's something left field and smart about them.

I enjoyed getting them. I enjoyed the thing. And then when I was sort of sixteen or seventeen, Gary Larson sort of retired and he released like an anthology but where he talked about the cartoons, and he talked about some of the cartoons that were too bizarre, that were too weird, and there was a few in there. There was like one which is called When Dogs Dream, and so it's a dog dreaming and there's a car upside down and the dog in his little thought bubble and the dog has got it. He's caught the car, and he's like yelling, like because one of these like tropes was that dogs loved chasing cars, like dog Heaven would be like cars made out of ham and stuff and the dogs and they can catch the car.

I enjoyed getting them. I enjoyed the thing. And then when I was sort of sixteen or seventeen, Gary Larson sort of retired and he released like an anthology but where he talked about the cartoons, and he talked about some of the cartoons that were too bizarre, that were too weird, and there was a few in there. There was like one which is called When Dogs Dream, and so it's a dog dreaming and there's a car upside down and the dog in his little thought bubble and the dog has got it. He's caught the car, and he's like yelling, like because one of these like tropes was that dogs loved chasing cars, like dog Heaven would be like cars made out of ham and stuff and the dogs and they can catch the car.

That's like a great vision of heaven to me.

That's like a great vision of heaven to me.

So in this one where dogs dreamed, and he was like, look, I drew a car upside down and I wanted to make it realistic in the car and he was trying to move the gearbox around under the car and it's sort of like a lump and a lot of people thought was the dog humping the car but he was, So they got a lot of backlash from that cartoon, just going you're sick, like why would a dog dream about humping the But he was like, that's meant to be like triumphantly on top of his kill. But I remember reading it too, like and and I think just going, all right, there are people in the world who make comedy and they put a lot of thought into it, and they get it right a lot of the time, and they get it wrong, and they're trying to figure out how to do it better, and and you know, and here's this guy that I idolized, and he's talking about all the failures he's had where we just didn't get it and he's laughing about them. And I really and that I had a real impact on me that I was like, yeah, it's not he's embarrassed or ashamed because I was not a confident kid, Like I was a you know, in all the normal insecurities. And then somebody guess, so.

So in this one where dogs dreamed, and he was like, look, I drew a car upside down and I wanted to make it realistic in the car and he was trying to move the gearbox around under the car and it's sort of like a lump and a lot of people thought was the dog humping the car but he was, So they got a lot of backlash from that cartoon, just going you're sick, like why would a dog dream about humping the But he was like, that's meant to be like triumphantly on top of his kill. But I remember reading it too, like and and I think just going, all right, there are people in the world who make comedy and they put a lot of thought into it, and they get it right a lot of the time, and they get it wrong, and they're trying to figure out how to do it better, and and you know, and here's this guy that I idolized, and he's talking about all the failures he's had where we just didn't get it and he's laughing about them. And I really and that I had a real impact on me that I was like, yeah, it's not he's embarrassed or ashamed because I was not a confident kid, Like I was a you know, in all the normal insecurities. And then somebody guess, so.

Were you not drama kid?

Were you not drama kid?

I was a drama kid. I was a drama kid. But you know, for me at that age, if I was like, if I tried to do something funny and it didn't work, I would be mortified.

I was a drama kid. I was a drama kid. But you know, for me at that age, if I was like, if I tried to do something funny and it didn't work, I would be mortified.

Yeah, because you're so acutely self conscious. Everything feels too fragile.

Yeah, because you're so acutely self conscious. Everything feels too fragile.

And I think, and for some weird reason, reading those books about someone going yeah, and I had all these failures and isn't it funny because you.

And I think, and for some weird reason, reading those books about someone going yeah, and I had all these failures and isn't it funny because you.

Know, having that freedom, I was like, Oh, all.

Know, having that freedom, I was like, Oh, all.

Right, that's I didn't know that was an option, that you could laugh about something not working and that it actually becomes an even better story because it hasn't worked. Fast Forwarding through my career now, I realized, like so much of the best stuff always, especially with me and Andy, you know, on travel shows and things like that, all the best adventures we've had, and when things don't go to plan, and so I grew up looking for things that would maybe go off the rails like that seemed like a fun idea to do. And then maybe.

Right, that's I didn't know that was an option, that you could laugh about something not working and that it actually becomes an even better story because it hasn't worked. Fast Forwarding through my career now, I realized, like so much of the best stuff always, especially with me and Andy, you know, on travel shows and things like that, all the best adventures we've had, and when things don't go to plan, and so I grew up looking for things that would maybe go off the rails like that seemed like a fun idea to do. And then maybe.

Building in those traps and the door not openings to open the door handle coming off.

Building in those traps and the door not openings to open the door handle coming off.

Building in the chance for things to go wrong became our signature almost So I don't know that was my attempt to trace back that first introduction to that idea.

Building in the chance for things to go wrong became our signature almost So I don't know that was my attempt to trace back that first introduction to that idea.

That's brilliant though, that's great. Now I could totally understand that his world that he built was a very playful, surreal world, Wasn't it.

That's brilliant though, that's great. Now I could totally understand that his world that he built was a very playful, surreal world, Wasn't it.

So silly, so silly, and just a really weird world presented very seriously.

So silly, so silly, and just a really weird world presented very seriously.

This is the stuff of legends today with Hamish Blake. So far we've had Gary Larson's The Far Side Gallery book. So what's his next treasured item?

This is the stuff of legends today with Hamish Blake. So far we've had Gary Larson's The Far Side Gallery book. So what's his next treasured item?

Second item? This is the only real Centemona lineum I could find in.

Second item? This is the only real Centemona lineum I could find in.

It's in a box. And little things that are in a box are they have important? They need to be protected from the world.

It's in a box. And little things that are in a box are they have important? They need to be protected from the world.

Well, this is this is I came home one night, I guess. It was like August September one night, two thousand and thirteen, and I pulled out. I don't know what this was. I'd been working all day. My wife gave me this and it's a little onesie that says world's best dad and a positive pregnancy test.

Well, this is this is I came home one night, I guess. It was like August September one night, two thousand and thirteen, and I pulled out. I don't know what this was. I'd been working all day. My wife gave me this and it's a little onesie that says world's best dad and a positive pregnancy test.

That's how you found, That's how I found I was gonna be a dad. And so I mean, I'm I'm going to have to take a moment now.

That's how you found, That's how I found I was gonna be a dad. And so I mean, I'm I'm going to have to take a moment now.

That's incredibly moving to do that, and I mean it doesn't make logical sense because it's a world's best dad. He's written in sharpie honor size zero zero zero zero onesie, So it's actually should be world's best kid. Like that's a very little dad. If this is the dad, I don't know where the baby is. But I got what she was trying to do. It didn't seem like the right moment to go.

That's incredibly moving to do that, and I mean it doesn't make logical sense because it's a world's best dad. He's written in sharpie honor size zero zero zero zero onesie, So it's actually should be world's best kid. Like that's a very little dad. If this is the dad, I don't know where the baby is. But I got what she was trying to do. It didn't seem like the right moment to go.

Do you think it was also done like a to do list for you, like please get it right? Okay, there'd be a little person in this. Just you know what you're meant to do. It's just try and be the world. Just shoot for it.

Do you think it was also done like a to do list for you, like please get it right? Okay, there'd be a little person in this. Just you know what you're meant to do. It's just try and be the world. Just shoot for it.

He's got no one else but you. He's dead and you've.

He's got no one else but you. He's dead and you've.

Got you've got the stick.

Got you've got the stick.

I guess I put that in there to like really hammer at home.

I guess I put that in there to like really hammer at home.

But cause you're not, this is shrunk so it won't fit me.

But cause you're not, this is shrunk so it won't fit me.

What do you mean? This is? This is this is a terrible outfit and I'm not a dad. You're the worst at present.

What do you mean? This is? This is this is a terrible outfit and I'm not a dad. You're the worst at present.

We've got puppy. Where's the puppy that goes in this? So it'll be the dad bubby. So what did it mean to you when you found out you were going to become a dad?

We've got puppy. Where's the puppy that goes in this? So it'll be the dad bubby. So what did it mean to you when you found out you were going to become a dad?

Well, I mean that you've been trying for a while, or because it's the best thing that's ever happened to me. I suppose when I was collecting my three items, I thought, well, you can't I can't include a book about cartoons and then forget to mention my kids. But I think I think, no, we hadn't even really been trying for a while. But it happened quite quickly. I mean literally, it was like we had one month where I was like, right by the way we're on and I was like okay. And I think, as a guy, when you get told it's happening, there's a bit of you that goes all right, Well, even if we're a go today. I got nine months to get my head a rest, so you got a little bit of a buffer.

Well, I mean that you've been trying for a while, or because it's the best thing that's ever happened to me. I suppose when I was collecting my three items, I thought, well, you can't I can't include a book about cartoons and then forget to mention my kids. But I think I think, no, we hadn't even really been trying for a while. But it happened quite quickly. I mean literally, it was like we had one month where I was like, right by the way we're on and I was like okay. And I think, as a guy, when you get told it's happening, there's a bit of you that goes all right, Well, even if we're a go today. I got nine months to get my head a rest, so you got a little bit of a buffer.

Yeah.

Yeah.

We tried for a month. It didn't happen, and you know, of course everyone's journey is very, very different. But Zoe is quite impatient and she was like, you need to go and get your sperm tested. I was like, he's been one attempt and when you realize that the windows like, you know, hours, like how tricky it all is. I was like, I don't think I need to do it. She's like, well, I'm not going to waste months and months you got to get your sperm tests. I was like, all right. And we lived opposite a hospital, live in Fitzroy, and yeah, but.

We tried for a month. It didn't happen, and you know, of course everyone's journey is very, very different. But Zoe is quite impatient and she was like, you need to go and get your sperm tested. I was like, he's been one attempt and when you realize that the windows like, you know, hours, like how tricky it all is. I was like, I don't think I need to do it. She's like, well, I'm not going to waste months and months you got to get your sperm tests. I was like, all right. And we lived opposite a hospital, live in Fitzroy, and yeah, but.

I don't think going to any hospital will go I'm just here to where do I go from now?

I don't think going to any hospital will go I'm just here to where do I go from now?

I've got something for you.

I've got something for you.

Just yo at bot well fly enough.

Just yo at bot well fly enough.

It kind of almost haven't Like that week I went into the place and I said I need to, you know, get my spoons and they said.

It kind of almost haven't Like that week I went into the place and I said I need to, you know, get my spoons and they said.

Right, well, where do you live?

Right, well, where do you live?

I said, I actually live, you know, one hundred meters away and I said we can do it at home if you want, and then bring it in. They said, but you've got to keep it warm. And so I was like, right, I said, I think I will do it at home. So take my little container home. Go home. So I was like, how did it go?

I said, I actually live, you know, one hundred meters away and I said we can do it at home if you want, and then bring it in. They said, but you've got to keep it warm. And so I was like, right, I said, I think I will do it at home. So take my little container home. Go home. So I was like, how did it go?

Do you want me ask you why you did it in the house?

Do you want me ask you why you did it in the house?

Well, I walked through the front door, and I goes, how did it go?

Well, I walked through the front door, and I goes, how did it go?

Said?

Said?

Well, no, they said, they said I could come and play a home.

Well, no, they said, they said I could come and play a home.

Game, and we all know home advantage, Reddy cows and.

Game, and we all know home advantage, Reddy cows and.

The and she was working in her computer and the weakness of going, well, I'll be back down, and I was like, I should have stayed at the hospital. I thought going home would make it feel less weird, like, well, I'm going upstairs for a wank and I shan't be down for four minutes. And then you do it and they go and then they're like, you keep it walls. I said to them, I was like, what do you should I like in a little foil bag or something like. They said, no, Look, honestly, people can live ten minutes away and do it. And we say, either pop it in you if you're driving between you in your lap, right between your legs, skip water.

The and she was working in her computer and the weakness of going, well, I'll be back down, and I was like, I should have stayed at the hospital. I thought going home would make it feel less weird, like, well, I'm going upstairs for a wank and I shan't be down for four minutes. And then you do it and they go and then they're like, you keep it walls. I said to them, I was like, what do you should I like in a little foil bag or something like. They said, no, Look, honestly, people can live ten minutes away and do it. And we say, either pop it in you if you're driving between you in your lap, right between your legs, skip water.

Do you get pulled over by the plane.

Do you get pulled over by the plane.

Even worse, they put it on your arm pit. So I put it under my arm pit. And there's one road I have to cross. It's a busy road in Melbourne Alexander Parade, right, it's like three lanes.

Even worse, they put it on your arm pit. So I put it under my arm pit. And there's one road I have to cross. It's a busy road in Melbourne Alexander Parade, right, it's like three lanes.

Yeah, it's very busy road going.

Yeah, it's very busy road going.

Across to the Airpworth. So or is that whatever it is over there? So I'm saying there and I've never crossed a road more course'll see in my life because I'm like, if I get hit by a car and the paramedics like pick cutting his clothes off, the is this.

Across to the Airpworth. So or is that whatever it is over there? So I'm saying there and I've never crossed a road more course'll see in my life because I'm like, if I get hit by a car and the paramedics like pick cutting his clothes off, the is this.

What a great showfish story that would have been broken?

What a great showfish story that would have been broken?

Always for good luck guys, you never know what you've made it. So anyway, it turned out to be irrelevant. Didn't need the test we're having quite quick quickly after that. So you know, obviously having kids changed my life.

Always for good luck guys, you never know what you've made it. So anyway, it turned out to be irrelevant. Didn't need the test we're having quite quick quickly after that. So you know, obviously having kids changed my life.

How did it change it? Off? What did what did it mean to you when you first? So your first is a is a beautiful boy's sonny boy?

How did it change it? Off? What did what did it mean to you when you first? So your first is a is a beautiful boy's sonny boy?

So I think it just I mean I had a very profound moment of going which I loved. If just that just that like it was like a real click, like a real switch went off in me, which where you suddenly it's almost like a weight was lifted where I was like, you know, oh, it's not all about me anymore, And that was a great feeling. I mean, I hadn't actively been going around going, remember it's all about me. But I guess when you're in your twenties and you know you don't have anym memities, it is all about you. Yeah, And that's sort of how we were. You know, you naturally live, and so to just suddenly have this, I welcomed it, like it was a really joyous feeling to get to happily kind of commit my life to this little guy. And you know, then later on his sister and I loved that feeling and I had in a very this sounds a bit morbid when I've talked about it before. Where I was I just suddenly realized I was going to die, and I was so fine with that. And I guess it was maybe it was a real maybe just that feeling of going I don't know, maybe it is literally primarly like where you've on your code, that was the point of view being here. You now have seen it, but it successfully happened. You can die now, we have no more biological use for you. And so but I felt like in an very very really euphoric way.

So I think it just I mean I had a very profound moment of going which I loved. If just that just that like it was like a real click, like a real switch went off in me, which where you suddenly it's almost like a weight was lifted where I was like, you know, oh, it's not all about me anymore, And that was a great feeling. I mean, I hadn't actively been going around going, remember it's all about me. But I guess when you're in your twenties and you know you don't have anym memities, it is all about you. Yeah, And that's sort of how we were. You know, you naturally live, and so to just suddenly have this, I welcomed it, like it was a really joyous feeling to get to happily kind of commit my life to this little guy. And you know, then later on his sister and I loved that feeling and I had in a very this sounds a bit morbid when I've talked about it before. Where I was I just suddenly realized I was going to die, and I was so fine with that. And I guess it was maybe it was a real maybe just that feeling of going I don't know, maybe it is literally primarly like where you've on your code, that was the point of view being here. You now have seen it, but it successfully happened. You can die now, we have no more biological use for you. And so but I felt like in an very very really euphoric way.

It's a humbling yeah, just a humble.

It's a humbling yeah, just a humble.

I was like, oh my god, now you're maybe it's that thing where like, for for that millisecond you're holding Planet Earth's newest member. Yeah, like probably then half a second later he gets pipped by someone being born in Oslo or whatever.

I was like, oh my god, now you're maybe it's that thing where like, for for that millisecond you're holding Planet Earth's newest member. Yeah, like probably then half a second later he gets pipped by someone being born in Oslo or whatever.

But for you seeing it and experiencing it through your eyes, at.

But for you seeing it and experiencing it through your eyes, at.

That instant he held the title like, you know, newest member of the club.

That instant he held the title like, you know, newest member of the club.

For however, meet in the world's best dad.

For however, meet in the world's best dad.

Yeah, and I've got the bloody T shirt right to prove it. So that for that tiny little second, I think it was that that moment where I just was like, ah, this is incredible. There's a new generation, Like now I'm switching into helping mode and I and that's awesome.

Yeah, and I've got the bloody T shirt right to prove it. So that for that tiny little second, I think it was that that moment where I just was like, ah, this is incredible. There's a new generation, Like now I'm switching into helping mode and I and that's awesome.

Man.

Man.

It's something I've that changed my life.

It's something I've that changed my life.

I love it.

I love it.

It's the best one.

It's the best one.

Yeah. It's because some performers they struggle in the first couple of years because it is about somebody else and so much of their life and professional life it's all about.

Yeah. It's because some performers they struggle in the first couple of years because it is about somebody else and so much of their life and professional life it's all about.

Them of course, and especially our game. You you know, unless you're aware of it, that's an easy trap to fall into. It yeah, I think, I think and more old will you're encouraged to based on a poster, have everyone know who you are. You are very special.

Them of course, and especially our game. You you know, unless you're aware of it, that's an easy trap to fall into. It yeah, I think, I think and more old will you're encouraged to based on a poster, have everyone know who you are. You are very special.

To pictures of you.

To pictures of you.

And unless behind the scenes you're you're going to your closest people. We we all know that's not true, and that's a bit of a joke. And that's the game. Unless you're conscious of aware of that game, I suppose you can get sack into it and there's nothing to make you more aware that you are nothing except a valued member of the family who can be kicked and punched for great amusements.

And unless behind the scenes you're you're going to your closest people. We we all know that's not true, and that's a bit of a joke. And that's the game. Unless you're conscious of aware of that game, I suppose you can get sack into it and there's nothing to make you more aware that you are nothing except a valued member of the family who can be kicked and punched for great amusements.

And did you find that suddenly what you could derive joy from expand as well, because I don't When I was how much time I would spend just watching a little person asleep and just you know, being so happy like there's nowhere else into it.

And did you find that suddenly what you could derive joy from expand as well, because I don't When I was how much time I would spend just watching a little person asleep and just you know, being so happy like there's nowhere else into it.

Yeah, looking at leaves, yes, it's the best.

Yeah, looking at leaves, yes, it's the best.

I mean either world in a totally different way through new eyes.

I mean either world in a totally different way through new eyes.

Just pulling, you know, because I think naturally spend our day going, ah, well, if if X happens, then I'll be happy and I must get this and that I'll be happy, and that kind of like fallacy.

Just pulling, you know, because I think naturally spend our day going, ah, well, if if X happens, then I'll be happy and I must get this and that I'll be happy, and that kind of like fallacy.

You're never really fully in the moment.

You're never really fully in the moment.

Yeah, that fallacy of chasing future things, whether it's like achievements or objects or you know, accolades or whatever it is. And then with your kids, it just pulls you back. Your horizon just gets pulled right back to right now, and you do have to work with it, like, you know, I'm not perfect at at all, but to consciously be like, right, well, be here, be on the trampoline. This game is the most important thing now. Even if you had planned some fun, you know, you're projecting your dad hopes.

Yeah, that fallacy of chasing future things, whether it's like achievements or objects or you know, accolades or whatever it is. And then with your kids, it just pulls you back. Your horizon just gets pulled right back to right now, and you do have to work with it, like, you know, I'm not perfect at at all, but to consciously be like, right, well, be here, be on the trampoline. This game is the most important thing now. Even if you had planned some fun, you know, you're projecting your dad hopes.

Onto the day.

Onto the day.

If you're like, no, no, no, but I thought we could build a kite and then I've planned we could take it up to parking. If it's just not working and being on the trampoline today and you know, playing no arm slug one of my classics, is then that's just what you're doing for that day. And so the fun of of like love, letting go of plans too, and just pulling it back to the moment. That's the constant joy.

If you're like, no, no, no, but I thought we could build a kite and then I've planned we could take it up to parking. If it's just not working and being on the trampoline today and you know, playing no arm slug one of my classics, is then that's just what you're doing for that day. And so the fun of of like love, letting go of plans too, and just pulling it back to the moment. That's the constant joy.

And what was your childhood Like are you closer to mom and dad or yeah, pretty I say.

And what was your childhood Like are you closer to mom and dad or yeah, pretty I say.

Fairly stocks ed normal in the sense that no one has a normal childhood, But you know, normally like older brother younger sister, grew up in the suburbs of Melbourne, did all the regular things, did all the stuff that I thought at the time, I was like, this is so boring, Why do we have to do that? And now if I myself making the kids the same stuff like I remember, just I couldn't think of my parents being lamer and more boring where sometimes they go, come on, we go to the Dandy Knongs for a walk and as a twelve year old or fourteen, and you're just like this, you guys are the worst. Like when I'm a parent, it's going to be movies, skate parks, lollies, you guys, stink walking in Nature's gonna be the worst thing I could think of to do today. And then blowing the whole like without even consciously realizing it. Yeah, we found ourselves a few weeks ago in the Dandy Knocks for a walk. So you are you're doomed to repeat it all right, last it And so another part of my life this I'll give you a little preamble here, A little part of my life I discovered later on, maybe like when I was thirty, was not so much exercise but like the idea of physically challenging yourself. I wasn't a sporty kid growing up. Like we had the option to do circus tricks or play sport at school, and I just chose circus tricks because.

Fairly stocks ed normal in the sense that no one has a normal childhood, But you know, normally like older brother younger sister, grew up in the suburbs of Melbourne, did all the regular things, did all the stuff that I thought at the time, I was like, this is so boring, Why do we have to do that? And now if I myself making the kids the same stuff like I remember, just I couldn't think of my parents being lamer and more boring where sometimes they go, come on, we go to the Dandy Knongs for a walk and as a twelve year old or fourteen, and you're just like this, you guys are the worst. Like when I'm a parent, it's going to be movies, skate parks, lollies, you guys, stink walking in Nature's gonna be the worst thing I could think of to do today. And then blowing the whole like without even consciously realizing it. Yeah, we found ourselves a few weeks ago in the Dandy Knocks for a walk. So you are you're doomed to repeat it all right, last it And so another part of my life this I'll give you a little preamble here, A little part of my life I discovered later on, maybe like when I was thirty, was not so much exercise but like the idea of physically challenging yourself. I wasn't a sporty kid growing up. Like we had the option to do circus tricks or play sport at school, and I just chose circus tricks because.

You got the Russian state circus. What do you mean?

You got the Russian state circus. What do you mean?

I really wasn't going well. We weren't a sporty school. And so a lot of big schools and like private schools in Melbourne and you know, all over will do Saturday morning sport, and that was not an option for us. Wednesday afternoon was the sports allocated time, so you could in year eleven, they wouldn't let you go home if you didn't make a team, so you had to do like we caught a dud sport. You had to do like archery or lawn bowls. And for half a year we did circus tricks because it was just like give them tennis balls, teach about a juggle. And then in year twelve, again if you weren't a sporty kid, you just leave on a Wednesday afternoon, you just go home. And I couldn't believe anyone pisport guys kidding me. You're not back to four o'clock. I'm out of here at one. You're covered in mud, like you stink of Murray's budge. Because it was the nineties and everyone had like sparked hair, so everyone was like sweating and had coconut like rivers of coconut running down their face because it eats hair product. And I was like, this is the worst. I can't believe you guys have all fallen for this. So I wasn't a pretty kid at all, just never appealed to me. And I because I was a bit of a chubby kid to I'd always just sort of been conditioned to be like, that's just not you, that's not here anyway. Little later on in life and through some stuff we tried to do on the radio, you know, like standard radio stuff, like I was one hundred and five kilos and I had to like lose some weight to just just to not be one hundred and five.

I really wasn't going well. We weren't a sporty school. And so a lot of big schools and like private schools in Melbourne and you know, all over will do Saturday morning sport, and that was not an option for us. Wednesday afternoon was the sports allocated time, so you could in year eleven, they wouldn't let you go home if you didn't make a team, so you had to do like we caught a dud sport. You had to do like archery or lawn bowls. And for half a year we did circus tricks because it was just like give them tennis balls, teach about a juggle. And then in year twelve, again if you weren't a sporty kid, you just leave on a Wednesday afternoon, you just go home. And I couldn't believe anyone pisport guys kidding me. You're not back to four o'clock. I'm out of here at one. You're covered in mud, like you stink of Murray's budge. Because it was the nineties and everyone had like sparked hair, so everyone was like sweating and had coconut like rivers of coconut running down their face because it eats hair product. And I was like, this is the worst. I can't believe you guys have all fallen for this. So I wasn't a pretty kid at all, just never appealed to me. And I because I was a bit of a chubby kid to I'd always just sort of been conditioned to be like, that's just not you, that's not here anyway. Little later on in life and through some stuff we tried to do on the radio, you know, like standard radio stuff, like I was one hundred and five kilos and I had to like lose some weight to just just to not be one hundred and five.

That was your goal, I was like, it was.

That was your goal, I was like, it was.

It was for a segment we were doing where I realized on trampolines have one hundred kilogram weight limits. So I was trying to get what we call tramp legal because I was tramped illegal. I was trying to get tramped legal and I started exercising a little bit and through a few mates when they're like, look, we do this thing like a bit of a boxing class, blah blah blah. And I was around about thirty at the time, anyway, got into it. That began a whole bunch of different sort of avenues and stuff of actually doing like physical exercise, and it became it's become quite a big part of my life, not so much that I'm trying to be an elite athlete anywhere, but discovering essentially, I guess the joy of like physical suffering. I have a weird thing in me where I I do like that side of things. I like being in physical pain and so like rying machines. I've done a marathon on a rying machine. I've done a few tough things on a rowing machine, and like long like bark rides. And I ran a marathon when I were on radio because I bragged that I could beat Katie Home. Katie Holmes was in WHO magazine or something. She'd run a five and a half hour marathon and I didn't know anything about running. I'd never run the longest sid everyone in my life was four kilometers at cross country at high school, which I hated, and.

It was for a segment we were doing where I realized on trampolines have one hundred kilogram weight limits. So I was trying to get what we call tramp legal because I was tramped illegal. I was trying to get tramped legal and I started exercising a little bit and through a few mates when they're like, look, we do this thing like a bit of a boxing class, blah blah blah. And I was around about thirty at the time, anyway, got into it. That began a whole bunch of different sort of avenues and stuff of actually doing like physical exercise, and it became it's become quite a big part of my life, not so much that I'm trying to be an elite athlete anywhere, but discovering essentially, I guess the joy of like physical suffering. I have a weird thing in me where I I do like that side of things. I like being in physical pain and so like rying machines. I've done a marathon on a rying machine. I've done a few tough things on a rowing machine, and like long like bark rides. And I ran a marathon when I were on radio because I bragged that I could beat Katie Home. Katie Holmes was in WHO magazine or something. She'd run a five and a half hour marathon and I didn't know anything about running. I'd never run the longest sid everyone in my life was four kilometers at cross country at high school, which I hated, and.

You were juggling at the time. I forget.

You were juggling at the time. I forget.

So it's a unicycle. I had giant shoes on and my grease paint was in my eyes. But I was like, I didn't know any I was like, I know, a marathon's about forty kilometers, but five and a half hours. That sounds like anyone could do that in five and a half hours. So it's a bit of what you said, bit a smack talk happening on the radio, and Andy's like, mate, it's still difficult.

So it's a unicycle. I had giant shoes on and my grease paint was in my eyes. But I was like, I didn't know any I was like, I know, a marathon's about forty kilometers, but five and a half hours. That sounds like anyone could do that in five and a half hours. So it's a bit of what you said, bit a smack talk happening on the radio, and Andy's like, mate, it's still difficult.

I think.

I think.

I just I meant, isn't the world record like two hours and a bit like five and a half? I mean, you could stop for lunch. So that was on a Friday, and then somehow because it's FM radio, it was like, right next Monday, he's running a marathon.

I just I meant, isn't the world record like two hours and a bit like five and a half? I mean, you could stop for lunch. So that was on a Friday, and then somehow because it's FM radio, it was like, right next Monday, he's running a marathon.

He's going to beat Katie Homes no training.

He's going to beat Katie Homes no training.

No training, right, So the next Monday, I we did it around albert Park Lake in Melbourne. We sort of like measured it out. It's gonna be like nine and a half laps of albert Park Lakes running track and I'd start at twelve o'clock. Our show was on Fort to six. Yeah, I start at midday, start running and if it worked, I should be beating Katie Holmes a round about five twenty nine in the afternoon. And so Annie would do the show and like we'd drive next to me and chat to me and and it was like I had no business running that marathon. And especially because Darby Day, which is a big day in the Melbourne Race.

No training, right, So the next Monday, I we did it around albert Park Lake in Melbourne. We sort of like measured it out. It's gonna be like nine and a half laps of albert Park Lakes running track and I'd start at twelve o'clock. Our show was on Fort to six. Yeah, I start at midday, start running and if it worked, I should be beating Katie Holmes a round about five twenty nine in the afternoon. And so Annie would do the show and like we'd drive next to me and chat to me and and it was like I had no business running that marathon. And especially because Darby Day, which is a big day in the Melbourne Race.

Yeah, huge.

Yeah, huge.

Derby Day was the Saturday, yep. And I that morning, when with my housemates did a practice jog of Albert Park, went yeah, okay, it's pretty far, walked it ran it went okay, don't burn yourself out before Monday. You're too close to train. You should be tapering. I kind of had an idea on my head how far it was. We all went off to Derby there that day. I got very I mean I was twenty five or something. Yeah, quite I went.

Derby Day was the Saturday, yep. And I that morning, when with my housemates did a practice jog of Albert Park, went yeah, okay, it's pretty far, walked it ran it went okay, don't burn yourself out before Monday. You're too close to train. You should be tapering. I kind of had an idea on my head how far it was. We all went off to Derby there that day. I got very I mean I was twenty five or something. Yeah, quite I went.

It was probably the biggest, one of the biggest drinking days in the enjoyed the hospitality, yes, a lot of Like there's a lot of footy players there who'd heard about the marathon on Monday, who thought like the more I drank, the funnier they was, because they're like, he's starting a marathon on Monday.

It was probably the biggest, one of the biggest drinking days in the enjoyed the hospitality, yes, a lot of Like there's a lot of footy players there who'd heard about the marathon on Monday, who thought like the more I drank, the funnier they was, because they're like, he's starting a marathon on Monday.

Got back to our house, and we traditionally had quite a large party house, and so a lot of people from the races were back at our house. At about two o'clock on Sunday morning, I freaked out and went, oh my god, I've got to run marathon in twenty four hours. So staggered up to the seven to eleven and I bought like thirty sports drinks, just started pounding them and I probably drank about four or five leters of sports drinks. Went to bed, woke up, thought I'd wet the bed, and real though I'd sweated all the salts of the course drinker. And I was talking to a man of mine who was a doctor. I was like, why am I sweating so much? I was like, because you've drunk all these electrolytes, but you haven't lost any electro if you haven't done any exercise. So he's like, see my pillow was saturated.

Got back to our house, and we traditionally had quite a large party house, and so a lot of people from the races were back at our house. At about two o'clock on Sunday morning, I freaked out and went, oh my god, I've got to run marathon in twenty four hours. So staggered up to the seven to eleven and I bought like thirty sports drinks, just started pounding them and I probably drank about four or five leters of sports drinks. Went to bed, woke up, thought I'd wet the bed, and real though I'd sweated all the salts of the course drinker. And I was talking to a man of mine who was a doctor. I was like, why am I sweating so much? I was like, because you've drunk all these electrolytes, but you haven't lost any electro if you haven't done any exercise. So he's like, see my pillow was saturated.

Because I was in.

Because I was in.

All sorts of trouble. Monday comes around, I get a two hour massage. I was like, I can't train for this, but I can be Limba. That was my whole tactic. My whole tactic was to be limber. So I got a two hour massage. But here's the weird thing that that was the first thing I remember just sort of like quietly going for no reason. I had a voice in my head going, I don't know why, but I will do this, like I've decided to do it and I'm going to do it. And it was my first real relationship with physical pain. And I had a friend at the time who was like an ex Navy instructor, and he was like, listen, man, when you're running, you're going to be in pain. So when the pain comes, just say to yourself, this is the pain I was expecting, and I'm just going to be in pain, and then stay there and.

All sorts of trouble. Monday comes around, I get a two hour massage. I was like, I can't train for this, but I can be Limba. That was my whole tactic. My whole tactic was to be limber. So I got a two hour massage. But here's the weird thing that that was the first thing I remember just sort of like quietly going for no reason. I had a voice in my head going, I don't know why, but I will do this, like I've decided to do it and I'm going to do it. And it was my first real relationship with physical pain. And I had a friend at the time who was like an ex Navy instructor, and he was like, listen, man, when you're running, you're going to be in pain. So when the pain comes, just say to yourself, this is the pain I was expecting, and I'm just going to be in pain, and then stay there and.

Keep having zen like kind of a bit of a like if.

Keep having zen like kind of a bit of a like if.

You're scared of the pain, you'll freak out. So just know now you're going to be in pain. So when it arrives, welcome it to go. I was expecting you. I've heard you say with me. I heard you were coming say with me, And it's getting this, you know it was. I did it and I don't want to break it. Did in five hours twenty five, smash it by five minutes. But it was my first experience of going. It's incredible you can do this, you can commish through the finest part of your mentality. And like physical stuffering, I suppose it's an easy way to test yourself, you know, whether you going on a super hard bike ride or like then I'm a couple years later, I rode a marathon on a rolling machine and that's a lot, Like forty two thousand meters on a rowing machine is a long way, but you find out who you are, you know. That's why I like those tests because in our life, like we live sort of silly, frivolous lives. I like the serious and stuff that you can kind of bury yourself in a hole, and I enjoy seeing what happens when you're in that level of pain. But I also like it does have a lot of crossover into what we do professionally too, like all the fun silly adventures at Annie and I've gone and even just taking risks. That's the voice, the voice that tells you just careful, stop, you shouldn't do this whatever. That's the voice you experience when you're running a marathon or doing a super hard thing physically, that that's your battle against. That voice is like do I believe that voice and quit and do the easy thing, or do I have faith that on the other side of that voice there's something good?

You're scared of the pain, you'll freak out. So just know now you're going to be in pain. So when it arrives, welcome it to go. I was expecting you. I've heard you say with me. I heard you were coming say with me, And it's getting this, you know it was. I did it and I don't want to break it. Did in five hours twenty five, smash it by five minutes. But it was my first experience of going. It's incredible you can do this, you can commish through the finest part of your mentality. And like physical stuffering, I suppose it's an easy way to test yourself, you know, whether you going on a super hard bike ride or like then I'm a couple years later, I rode a marathon on a rolling machine and that's a lot, Like forty two thousand meters on a rowing machine is a long way, but you find out who you are, you know. That's why I like those tests because in our life, like we live sort of silly, frivolous lives. I like the serious and stuff that you can kind of bury yourself in a hole, and I enjoy seeing what happens when you're in that level of pain. But I also like it does have a lot of crossover into what we do professionally too, like all the fun silly adventures at Annie and I've gone and even just taking risks. That's the voice, the voice that tells you just careful, stop, you shouldn't do this whatever. That's the voice you experience when you're running a marathon or doing a super hard thing physically, that that's your battle against. That voice is like do I believe that voice and quit and do the easy thing, or do I have faith that on the other side of that voice there's something good?

But on the other side of that there are gifts that you're about yourself and actually going through that it resets you a bit, doesn't.

But on the other side of that there are gifts that you're about yourself and actually going through that it resets you a bit, doesn't.

It does it changes you mentally? And I don't know who said it, but I think it is a saying where it's like on everything you want is on the other side of suffering.

It does it changes you mentally? And I don't know who said it, but I think it is a saying where it's like on everything you want is on the other side of suffering.

Yeah, and so true.

Yeah, and so true.

And the thing that I want is that mental knowledge that I that I went there, that I did because it hurt, like I keep going because I'm import you.

And the thing that I want is that mental knowledge that I that I went there, that I did because it hurt, like I keep going because I'm import you.

Kind of walk through your own fear and your own resistance. You were the master of your own emotions.

Kind of walk through your own fear and your own resistance. You were the master of your own emotions.

You need to know that you had that voice telling you to stop and that you didn't like And a lot of people find in a lot of different ways. And for me, I enjoy doing it through, you know, completely destroying myself on.

You need to know that you had that voice telling you to stop and that you didn't like And a lot of people find in a lot of different ways. And for me, I enjoy doing it through, you know, completely destroying myself on.

Because they're extreme in physical pursuit, even doing a marathit is extreme, But then doing a marathon all a rowing machine is insane.

Because they're extreme in physical pursuit, even doing a marathit is extreme, But then doing a marathon all a rowing machine is insane.

And that I trained for that, I did trainform. By that stage, I sort of got a bit addicted to seeing how far I could push myself. But the motivation, like the thrill of it, is the pain, which is a weird thing to say.

And that I trained for that, I did trainform. By that stage, I sort of got a bit addicted to seeing how far I could push myself. But the motivation, like the thrill of it, is the pain, which is a weird thing to say.

Not everyone's resistance, isn't it called it pain? We Well, it's the resistance.

Not everyone's resistance, isn't it called it pain? We Well, it's the resistance.

It's knowing that you can mate it, I think, And it's that thing.

It's knowing that you can mate it, I think, And it's that thing.

When you could stop, you could. I don't need just I'm not an athlete.

When you could stop, you could. I don't need just I'm not an athlete.

I mean, nothing could be more pointless. You're not even rowing.

I mean, nothing could be more pointless. You're not even rowing.

Anywhere, even in the opposite of rowing, rid even bike.

Anywhere, even in the opposite of rowing, rid even bike.

Riding, which is pretty pointless because no one asked you to ride to the top of that mountain. That's pointless, pointless on a plane you didn't need to do it. But it's a battle against yourself. Yeah, of all the things, Yeah, a rowing machine is the most pointless. Literally, finish where you start and three hours later you finished where you started.

Riding, which is pretty pointless because no one asked you to ride to the top of that mountain. That's pointless, pointless on a plane you didn't need to do it. But it's a battle against yourself. Yeah, of all the things, Yeah, a rowing machine is the most pointless. Literally, finish where you start and three hours later you finished where you started.

But it exhaust it's the challenge.

But it exhaust it's the challenge.

So here's the thing.

So here's the thing.

What's in the representation.

What's in the representation.

This is a picture of my grandpa, right, he was a long distance middle distance runner. That's him in front. It's two guys here. It's a black and white picture. This has taken the charits of fire.

This is a picture of my grandpa, right, he was a long distance middle distance runner. That's him in front. It's two guys here. It's a black and white picture. This has taken the charits of fire.

It is.

It is.

It is exactly like Charity of Fire.

It is exactly like Charity of Fire.

They ripped though, ripped okay, and they just they didn't have electroly like gym.

They ripped though, ripped okay, and they just they didn't have electroly like gym.

He's made of rope right. So this is my my grandpa Don Colins pass away a couple of years ago, but he's he was an amazing guy farmer, like you know, became just a great bloke, had a great time. Taught me very early on. He's like, mate, you just make sure you have more fun making your money than spending it.

He's made of rope right. So this is my my grandpa Don Colins pass away a couple of years ago, but he's he was an amazing guy farmer, like you know, became just a great bloke, had a great time. Taught me very early on. He's like, mate, you just make sure you have more fun making your money than spending it.

Wow. What great advice, which.

Wow. What great advice, which.

Always stuck with me because he's like, he was a farmer and he did really well and it ended up owning farms that turn into suburbs. So you know, so by I guess some people's assessment, they go, oh, he's done very well from himself as a businessman. But it wasn't what he liked. He lived a very humble life. He liked doing stuff with his mates.

Always stuck with me because he's like, he was a farmer and he did really well and it ended up owning farms that turn into suburbs. So you know, so by I guess some people's assessment, they go, oh, he's done very well from himself as a businessman. But it wasn't what he liked. He lived a very humble life. He liked doing stuff with his mates.

He had a great was successful by accident. It wasn't designed.

He had a great was successful by accident. It wasn't designed.

The money I think to him was just like an interesting byproduct of the adventure that he was on. And so this is him. He ran, he ran, He was like Australian five mile champion, oh wow, And and he missed out on the Olympics. He was sort of peaked, you know, in between the years of the Olympics, but he carried he back then. He carried the torch for the fifty six Melbourne Games and that was like a thing that they gave to club champions whatever. But this is him running every Saturday morning. He just got f and they was just a beautiful photo. I just you know, I know it's some people can't see it, but it's it's like physical perfection. And he's in he's in the lead as well. Yes, that's why I pointed out that he's one of the leader because it would be an interesting photo. Yeah, this is my grandpa. He consistently beaten, but he never gave up. But what I love about that photo is I didn't know that face when I was younger, but I know that face now, and that's like he's in a lot of pain, but he's also euphoric in that stage because they would only the would like run one lap around the oval. They'd run out for like five miles into the bush. All the families would like sit there and eat tea, coffee and stuff, and then they'd come back for their final lap where they would just hammer it out, and according to my mum, he'd like he would always just vomit after that. Like the finish line.

The money I think to him was just like an interesting byproduct of the adventure that he was on. And so this is him. He ran, he ran, He was like Australian five mile champion, oh wow, And and he missed out on the Olympics. He was sort of peaked, you know, in between the years of the Olympics, but he carried he back then. He carried the torch for the fifty six Melbourne Games and that was like a thing that they gave to club champions whatever. But this is him running every Saturday morning. He just got f and they was just a beautiful photo. I just you know, I know it's some people can't see it, but it's it's like physical perfection. And he's in he's in the lead as well. Yes, that's why I pointed out that he's one of the leader because it would be an interesting photo. Yeah, this is my grandpa. He consistently beaten, but he never gave up. But what I love about that photo is I didn't know that face when I was younger, but I know that face now, and that's like he's in a lot of pain, but he's also euphoric in that stage because they would only the would like run one lap around the oval. They'd run out for like five miles into the bush. All the families would like sit there and eat tea, coffee and stuff, and then they'd come back for their final lap where they would just hammer it out, and according to my mum, he'd like he would always just vomit after that. Like the finish line.

Was so extremely myself.

Was so extremely myself.

Six or seven guys who were all amateurs, like they were like you know, bankers, like you know, tractor salesmen. My grandpa's a farmer. Six or seven guys just standing around each other, just vomiting steak and eggs, which they fort.

Six or seven guys who were all amateurs, like they were like you know, bankers, like you know, tractor salesmen. My grandpa's a farmer. Six or seven guys just standing around each other, just vomiting steak and eggs, which they fort.

Like you said, that painful euphoria. But I get it.

Like you said, that painful euphoria. But I get it.

I get and so I keep that in my office too, because I do. It's funny, like I didn't grow up thinking that I had that other year or that that sort of the ability to go to a painful place if you need to. But I do look at that, and I go, he's you know, genetically, he's in me. And I use that as a bit of as a bit of knowledge to go. You never know what you can push yourself into doing. And for us professionally, that translates into silly things like you know. But but to me, there's there's.

I get and so I keep that in my office too, because I do. It's funny, like I didn't grow up thinking that I had that other year or that that sort of the ability to go to a painful place if you need to. But I do look at that, and I go, he's you know, genetically, he's in me. And I use that as a bit of as a bit of knowledge to go. You never know what you can push yourself into doing. And for us professionally, that translates into silly things like you know. But but to me, there's there's.

Correlation essence, isn't it.

Correlation essence, isn't it.

That's the thing.

That's the thing.

To me, there's.

To me, there's.

Correlations between going. A lot of the time we've looked at, you know, something whether it's me and Andy professionally or just me professionally going well, there's tons of reasons, tons of safe reasons to not do that, And that, to me is the same thing as like being in a lot of pain on a bike. There's tons of reasons to stop. But what you know, that feeling of like, but what if we didn't? What if we didn't What if we just kept going even though you could make a great argument to not do it, what if we did the other thing? What if we did the hard thing? What would happen then? And so I like that.