TMIReplay* What Fuels Fibroids with Coach Gessie Thompson and John Lipman
This week Mysonne and Tamika Mallory start off the episode shouting out their brother Attorney Benjamin Crump, and his important role on bringing attention to difference cases. They also discuss how crooked the police and the courts can be, when it comes to bringing justice to specifically black people being killed by the police.
Later in the episode, they discussed the importance of taking care of the body with a focus on the female body and fibroids with Coach Gessie Thompson and interventional radiologist Dr John Lipman.
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I'll tell you it is so interesting the weather and how I'm freezing today and the other day y'all people being shorts. I told you we are no shorts. I said, shorts because it's not the time.
So when we leave to go to Miami and we get in Miami and it's one hundred degrees, should we still being coachs in Miami because we know we got a.
Not a coach, but I do not a cot But but when I go to Miami in the winter time in New York, I don't know.
Now, you go to the pool and beach, I might.
Cool, but I do want my night. I try to make sure that I don't wear my ultra summer clothes. I wear my like in the middle stuff. I wear pansol. I'm just trying to tell you that if you're in New York and the weather is one hundred eighty degrees the other day, it's clearly said this week it was gonna be fifties and sixties.
Until you dressed accordingly, it's sick. So you stole it.
So you know, you don't get sick by dressing like it's fifty and sixty when it's eighty. But you get dressed for dressing like it's eighty when it's fifty and sixty.
What do you That didn't make When I say that, whatever you just said just now did not make sense, I.
Need you to do. I'm gonna say it again.
So you get sick when it's eighty and you if you don't dress like it's fifty and six, right, but if it's fifty and sixty mm.
Hmm, it doesn't make sense.
You ain't got it.
Just let it go because it's not I give what you trying to say.
I know I'm seeing something. I just I'm coming back with it. Yeah.
No, The bottom line is if the weather is not going to be consistently eighties and you go changing to eighty.
And then you got to dress like it's fifty sixty, no matter what. No, But what I'm basically, what I'm trying to say is you don't.
Need a jacket, but you shouldn't wear shorts and a tank top.
You should win this thing sweat and a nice shirt.
If you got too much clothes on, you don't get sick. Right, if it's eighty degrees.
Are you're gonna way too many clothes on? No, but you don't get sick.
But if it's eighty degrees and you dress like it's eighty degrees, you're.
Gonna get sick.
No, that's not no, that's you're not saying it right.
I'm saying it right. If you dress like it's eighty degrees when.
It's fifty eighty degrees and it's fifty the next day, the next day it's fifty, it drops, yes.
And that's why you're getting dressed like it's fifty the next day.
It's not. No, that's what I'm saying. That's what makes you sick.
Everybody knows that that what makes you sick is switching with the weather or trying to like dress hot today and then tomorrow the weather changes so drastically, that's what gets people sick.
Like this is a known fact, like stuf so.
You don't think if your body is overwarming because you got on way too much clothes.
I wasn't overwarm. I didn't get summertime. Fine, I just wore.
But you're still sick. I wore.
I'm not sick.
No, no, that bruh. I know you don't had that much attention. That was three weeks ago. I am not sick. I don't feel a sickness in my body. And even then, we have established that it was as a result of allergies.
That that was last week. Yeah, you know it wasn't three weeks ago. It was last week when you said these allergies were doing things to you. So don't say you weren't sick.
Listen, whatever allergies, it was allergies like a dog.
I don't know what it is.
Allergies.
Okay, okay, okay, moving right along.
Would you like.
What would you like to talk about the news of what's.
Happening in our There's news to talk about.
So we just left Jayalen Walker's family and his attorneys and I watch people. Let me give a shout out to Paige White, who we should have on the show. Paige White isn't a attorney. She works with Bobby Deceello, who is the lead attorney on the Jalen Walker for the Jalen Walker family, and Page is the legal coordinator.
If you will.
She's the person who is involved in the day to day management of that particular situation and protecting and standing with the families. So we have to make sure that we bring Paige on to talk about what's happening. They're in Akron, Ohio. And she also works with Attorney Crump. So you know, one thing I am now learning that many of the black lawyers, many of them, not all, but many of the black lawyers across the country are working together in some way, shape or form there there and a lot of them are working with Ben Crump being sort of the of counsel in local areas. We just had Suanne Robinson on last week who talked specifically about you know, being of also to Attorney Crunk, which means that she's working on certain cases where Attorney Crump is able to advise.
He's able to play his.
Role, which is a very important role of bringing the necessary attention and a legal strategy to these cases.
While people like.
Attorney Suanne, folks like Page, Page White and a number of others around the nation are there on a day to day basis. So people think there's no strategy, there's nothing, It is just hip hop and lock dot and it's not.
Actually, it's very clear there is structure.
And to be honest, you know, again, the misconception is that these lawyers, and specifically attorney Crump has been losing cases.
Oh and I still see it. I think we've.
Done not as bad.
I think we've done a good job.
His documentary helped because I know a lot of people wrote me as and you know what, I really did not care for Ben Crump because I read things online and now that I watched this documentary had an opportunity to see and understand it from a different perspective. And then between Teslin our sister Tesling our podcast sibling and her teats and a straight shot, no chaser, but she talks about she's always always making sure people understand what Ben Crump's role is, what he does, how he shows up, and how he wins cases. Almost he has probably the best record in terms of any civil rights lawyer across the nation, specifically black lawyers, which people don't necessarily know that. So there is strategy, there are people working, and in this particular case, Jalen Walker is one of those things where you know it I think for in this particular situation, and you could say different, but I think it's going to take a combination of a powerful legal team alongside a very strong community response to force the federal government to get involved, because it seems to me that they want to put sweeping under the rug and use the fact that he had a gun in an open carry state. By the way, an open carry state, he had a gun, and that's supposed to make it all go away. And I think there should still be rules even when somebody has a gun.
I think, I mean, you're one hundred percent right, and I think especially in an open carry state, and I think, you know, the reality of the situation is we constantly see the fact that if we don't have a video that shows the police doing things.
All the time, and even then.
And even then we gotta fight like we don't even use common sense no more. You know, when you look at Jalen Walker, this is a man that was shot forty six shots in his body, ninety shots shot at him. He was outside the car and the gun was inside the car. He was gunned down while the gun was inside the car. These are facts. So you know, we're able to take serial killers who walk in, walk into the supermarket and you see them shoot gun down with automatic weapons. You could literally get the call and say they just killed ten people, shot eight nine people in here and able to walk out with that weapon with their hands.
In the end, nobody takes one shot at.
Right approach saying that Jalen Walker. Their position is that he shot the gun. He yeah, he shot the gun once on the highway or in a different area. Then when they approach him and he starts running, which he doesn't have the gun.
And in fact we saw in the video.
People have watched the video and the commentators have said, you can see he does not have anything in his hands, but he's they say he reached and when he reached, they thought the same gun that he used to fire this one shot elsewhere's going to be pulled out. Now here's my my thing is this?
What is okay? So my thing is this? I really because I just need to understand how police are police it? What is the strategy right if somebody has a gun, right and we know they have a gun, but they haven't proven to be detrimental to us right in an open carry state.
They haven't proven anything that they're.
Trying to because a lot of times some people just don't want you to know they got the gun.
Well, if you are blacked, yeah, a black.
Person, they play little I don't want to get pulled up with this gun. He trying to get put it away. He's trying to do all this shit, like me going through some shit. You don't know what's going on. What is the procedure for you to engage? Are the police supposed to engage every person like it's a hostile.
Situation, because that's what it seems like to me.
It's like every time they engage somebody, if I don't fire a shot at you, if I like my thing is this, I think there should be a level of distance. If you think I got a gun. Police get behind cars, they get on their their monitors, they say put your hands up, They give you instructions if you run and we start chasing you.
You know what I'm saying.
If all of these things you have, what is the level of engagement for somebody that you think has a weapon without you.
Just killing them?
Well, I think that is at the center of it should be the center of debate.
But there's another element.
And the other element is what you tell me as the police. I don't trust because we see too many times where they lie. You know what he reached?
Do you know?
First of all, he didn't And.
That's the same thing. That's the same thing.
That's the same thing with Tyry Nichols when you look at Tyry Nichols.
And that's what's so dangerous to me.
When I look at the Tyrann Nichols case and I don't think and I haven't heard.
Anybody really you know, drive home this fact.
If you look at each of the body cams footages of the officers, they created a scenario that made it seem like he was resisting the rest. From that body camp footage that you see, it's just sees him moving around. You just see they moving so fast. It just looked and they say stop resisting. They created a scenario that showed a man resisting the rest, so.
They had to fight him.
He was not doing.
And then when you see from the over way, look at this camera, it's a completely different. So what I'm trying to say is they are skilled in creating a scenario he.
Reached, he reached. It's probably like if we were doing number one lies that law enforcement tells reach he reached would be in the highest percentile in my judgment.
And one of the reasons why I.
Say that is because, first of all, you hear it all the time. I mean, it's just a regular like it's like that slides off the tongue. He reached, right, But if a person doesn't have a gun, then he could What was he reaching for? He didn't have it.
It was in the car.
So if he if the gun is in the car, and you were saying he reached, what was he reaching for? Nothing? So he was reaching for the nothing. And I'm not saying he didn't reach, right, I'm not saying he didn't reach. I wasn't there. What I'm saying is that that particular statement is you so often. It's like a man who constantly tells his wife, oh, my phone died, you know, every time he's supposed to be home at a certain time, my phone died. Why didn't you pick up when I called you at midnight?
Oh my phone died.
After a while, it just becomes a regular story that you tell when the truth is it didn't die. You turned it off because you was doing what you was.
Doing, especially when you when you when it's so many scenarios that we've seen that the phone didn't die.
The phone didn't die. We know it didn't die because because it didn't die, because now I checked the phone bill and you was you was using the phone you just had me on do not disturb. You know what I'm saying, You was in this area. You wasn't at work, as you said. So what I'm saying is that the story comes up so often that after a while you have.
To start questioning whether or not it's did he reach or did he not?
And then what And I think what compounds the matter is that still one shot should not in any way justify ninety plus shots at a person and hitting them forty six times. That should not even be a thing. That is excessive and it's outrageous. And so the local jury, which by the way, the police were able to testify in the grand jury hearing, and someone asks a matter of fact, it was a brother Dwan, who is one of the lead organizers for this Partifia Jalen Walker, and also has been in Kenosha and other issues. You know, he's an activist and a leader. And as I was speaking to him, he said, well, they allowed the police to testify, And he asked me this question, when does anybody ever testify against themselves? Because the grand jury proceeding is when the district attorney is supposed to be trying to use evidence to prove the the their theory for these.
People doing wrong continue.
They never usually they never give the opposite side witnesses the opportunity to testify. The grand jury is not calling my witness to testify the grand jury when they're trying to present charges against me, exactly, it doesn't. That's not they're not trying to do that. Ever, it happens in police.
Cases if the district attorney is presenting a case, that is because the district attorney is saying, I think.
Something is wrong here.
Because the district attorney could easily say, I'm not even bringing a case right like I don't. We we have already determined that this was a justified shooting. There is no reason to go to a jury. And that's it. If they decide to go to a grand jury and present a case, it is because they are supposed to be believing.
That something here is wrong. I'm going to present the facts to you.
And they may have and they have the legal and they have the legal language in the legal backing that says that something is wrong.
Well, because they say, you can indict a hand sandwich, but you indict a pig that kills us.
Well, I mean you want to you want to be spicy today, but.
I'm saying that I want I want people to I want to drive this home because I want people to hear what we're saying. If a district attorney brings a case against somebody to a grand jury, it is because the district attorney believes that there's something fould that has happened. The district attorney does not take a case that they don't believe in to what they're not supposed to a grand jury, because the district attorney could easily say we found no harm here, there's.
No is this because but that's not That doesn't work though, right, because they understand that do the due process, due due process, they have to look at the whole scenario, right, and they understand if they just keep telling the people all the time that we're not presenting nothing to the grand jury and letting the people decide, because that's a strategy.
Okay.
Yet what I'm doing is saying I'm trying to get to one because I know what you're saying.
What you're saying is.
That it's bullshit. It's kangaroo court. They bring the case so that it can sing, so it can appear that they're trying to do the right thing. But what would the right thing be. The right thing would be that you feel like, hey, you know what, there could be some shit here that needs to be looked at from a jury of your peers to decide whether there will be a case. We know from Daniel Cameron that they presented a case to the grand jury claiming that they were trying to find the facts and present what they have to see whether or not a grand jury believed that there was there was foul play or wrongdoing by the police and the Brionna Taylor case. And when they went to the grand jury, we didn't say it. The grand jury came, the jurors came out and said they never presented us with charges for Brianna Taylor. We never had any opportunity to decide whether we wanted to bring a case against those officers to indict them for killing Brionna Taylor. So I look back to the point that these people and I know we got to get off at this point, but it's important. We may not get to some of the other things here, but this is important. So if you are presenting the case to a grand jury that says, these people right here may have done something wrong.
If you bring those people in and.
Let them testify in their uniform possibly or you know, whatever whatever you need to do to humanize them, and they tell their story of how afraid they were and how this gunshot made us all afraid, and and Johnny was shooting, so I started shooting, and this and that and the third you are basically having a trial in the grand jury process and allowing these officers to sway the opinion of the grand jurists. That's what they did.
Because that's that's the reality of the situation, right, because you know a lot of times what they try to do with grand jury's right. Most people don't know, like especially complainants don't know that they.
Have the opportunity to testify before a grand jury.
And most of the time your lawyer will advise you against it, right because they say whatever you say in that grand jury you're locked into a lot of times people say fuck that, I'm going to court anyway, and I'm gonna say it, and it gets thrown out in the grand jury. They like, well, I don't really see what's wrong. And the minute they dismissed a lot of things, a lot of a lot of people don't even know that can happen. They can do that exactly, but in this these situations, what they do is they they make sure they go get the officers.
Of course, the prosecuted.
The prosecutor who is supposed to be prosecuting those officers. He informs them, you have the opportunity to come to the grand jury, so you're gonna present your case. I'm not gonna do anything to fight your case. I'm just going to present your case, and then I'm going to give them charges that I know don't even fit the case that you on.
That's the other.
Thing they do, right, they say, we're gonna give these officers right and then we're gonna charge them with murder in the first we're gonna charge them with murder. The second degree means there's premeditator. We're gonna charge give them charges that don't even fit the ship they did. So then we're gonna tell the jury. Listen, if you feel like exactly, if you feel like this officer intentionally just got out of his car and woke up and said he was gonna kill his man, then you have to find him guilty of this.
If you don't, then we can't charge him with this. If you feel like this.
Officer right here was had animosity or he did this and that, then you have to charge it. Where you don't, then we can't charge him with that. So the jury is sitting there looking like, well, I don't.
Know if he had that's what happened.
And I don't know if he woke up that morning and say, you know it wasn't. I don't think it's premeditated, but I know he did some ship that killed him man. So we're the chargers for you kill somebody, even if it was an active duty like wrongfully killing a person, where is those charge? They don't give them those charges. So the jury is forced to say, well, the ship that you said, I can't say that and this this doesn't fit that, and that's what happened. Even if we look at in certain cases, that's what jurors do this. I mean prosecutors do it all the time. They'll prosecute charge, they overcharge. They do it with the ones they want to get out. They overcharge on purpose, but they they overcharge a lot of people a lot of times, just regular civilians, and then get to the trial and then add the lower charges because they're like, you're not gonna be the US at grand jury anyway, I'm gonna present them enough evidence that the jury could say, well, if he presents this evidence he say he's gonna present, then we can find him guilty of that.
Right. They don't even come with the evidence when they have the os.
They're not gonna say, look, we got this evidence that says this, we got these shots that shared this, this man will hitting somebody. They don't give all of those those things. So you get indicted for some shit and there's nowhere near with the charges you should. But they get the trial and then during the trial they realize that the evidence doesn't support those higher charges, so they say, listen, judge, we also want to add this manslaughter and we want to just depraved indifference. We want to add all of these lower charges because we know we might we haven't proved that.
We know, we prove these things.
They don't do that shit for the car, No, and they're never going to so justice for Jalen Walker just there's still a chance that the FEDS will come in investigate and take the case and indict the offices and what was y'all? Y'all said, arrests, charge and arrest the police, right, So moving on though, I just want to get this in quickly. We only have a few moments before our guest joins. But you know, gun violence, everything that happens to black people eventually happens to everybody else, right, And that's why the saying goes, you know, and I don't know it specifically, but there's a saying out there. At first, they came for one group, and I didn't say anything because I wasn't a part of that group. And then they came for the next group, and I didn't say anything because I wasn't a part of that group. Then they came for the next group, and I still didn't say a thing because.
I was a part of that group.
But then they came for me and nobody said anything because they weren't a part of my group. Now I don't know if.
That's what now about to say.
I don't know if the last part is right. But there was nobody left to defend me because they came for us, all right, that's what happens.
Quick story.
In the Women's March, we said, as the black and brown women, we wanted to deal with gun violence because it was an issue happening, especially with Filando Castile being a shot and killed in a car in front of his child and the and the mother and trying to tell the officer I have a gun in the officer still shot him, a license carrying person, individual black men, and we said, gun violence is something we want to deal with. We tried to get the white women to work with us on it, and they went crazy.
Why now.
Some of them, of course, marched with us. We marched eighteen.
Miles, you know, from the NRA to the department on school and a monsoon, horrible conditions. We did that, and there were white women who were out there. They supported it, but there was a whole bunch of people who gave us, holy hell, why why would we do gun violence? Y'all are bringing y'all political stuff into the Women's March. This is not right. This is about race, This isn't about you know, all people, and what does this have to do with women's rights? And then the school shootings got crazy because you know, we had already had at that point Columbine and you had Sandy Hook, but it wasn't happening as frequent, and they started being more frequent, as we see there's even an uptick since then. And that's when white women got together. Specifically the shooting that happened and it was in Florida. I forget the names of them at this time, it's been so many, but there was a shooting in Florida, and that's where March for Our Lives came together.
And guess who it was?
White women and where it came out of a movement of young people, but white women showed up heavily to support their children, to support a movement to protect white kids from being shot in schools and from mass shootings. All of a sudden, it became an issue that mattered to white people because it affected their communities. So now what we are seeing happening across the country, we've been saying gun violences and public health crisis. We need people to get involved, we need resources We need the federal government involved. We need local state governments to help deal with mental health, to deal with a poverty, to deal with all the ills in our community that will make someone pick up a gun. And you know, if they do it for us, they do it for everybody. If you take care of black people, you will take care of the entire nation. If you address the concerns of the African American community, you will in fact, heal and solve problems for every community.
But people don't care when it's.
Just black people in Chicago and Louisiana and Alabama and New York City, this and that in urban areas, they don't care. Now let's see what's happening. So Ralph rawl he gets shot by this white man, which is I mean, I was getting ready. I'm gonna let you say what anyway, So Ralph, y'all dank got he lives. Shout out to our brother, attorney Merrit who's on that case and working with his family, and the students who.
Have shown up and shown out and all those individuals.
The Kansas Kansas I think it's the Kansas City, Missouri newspaper, the black owned newspaper. They say they were the ones to break the story. I came into contact with the story from Sean King. We see that Sean and his fundraiser has raised three million dollars. So give everybody the credit where credit is due for the work that they've done to bring it to the point that a man who was released for shooting a sixteen year old child a baby, he's sixteen, right, I'm right right, for the shooting a sixteen year old baby.
For no reason at all.
That they went from him being released telling his story about how old he was a concern he was afraid to the people speaking out enough that they had to finally arrest him and charge him. So you have that, But then they do a split screen because you know, whenever something happens to black people, a racial incident, they always want to show you how, oh well, white folks are dealing with it too, and what they means. Some in the media to discredit one situation or to try to desensitize people, you know, to the killing or the or not the killing, but the racial violence. What they're actually doing, they some of them are like, oh no, it's not just that, you know, let me show you white people have it happening too. But what they're doing is actually making a case for what we've been saying that what comes for you will come, what comes for me will eventually come for you. So right after this, after Ralph y'all, a white woman in upstate New York pulls into the wrong driveway and somebody shoots her.
Okay.
Then some parents and their six year old child was outside playing basketball. The basketball rolled into the nabor's yard and the neighbors shot them, which, by the way, looks like it was a black man that shot them for the basketball coming into his yard. Then the cheerleaders, the girls white girls. The the parents in the basketball situation with the six year old, they're white folks too. Then the cheerleaders they happen to accidentally get into almost get into the wrong car. The driver shoot several of them. This situation transcends race the issue of gun violence in America.
Know, the reality situation is, that's what it is, you know, keep the thing. The thing, and we've been trying to say that all the time, is that it's gonna come for all of us. Guns are a big problem in America. We don't want to talk about it, but most people die from gun violence in America. We have one of the those on some of the highest rates in the world of gun violence in America, and it doesn't happen outside of America. You understand, I'm saying, there are countries where their people nobody is dying from guns.
And people are trying to say, no, it's not it's not guns that.
Kill people's people. Well, it's people everywhere. So why is it America the place where it's plagued by guns? Because guns are not everywhere. That's what we're trying to say. The people are everywhere, but the guns are not everywhere. So the guns is the problem. You know that when we look at these situations, man, the same thing. You know in Harlem, I had to go to a situation where they shot a boy in the face last week. You know, somebody got shot in Queens. Like every day there people getting shot and at rampant rates. And it's because the America loves its guns more than it does the people.
That's right.
It really really values guns and people are oh, yeah, I want to take ouss guns.
I don't want to take your guns. I don't care. I just don't want people that I know are not.
Educated enough and not intelligent enough, don't have the mental fortitude enough to have automatic and weapons period to have weapons. I think there should be, you know, a process for people to be able to have walk around with weapons. And if you don't think that, if you think that any crazy psycho individuals should just be able to get a gun because they be, it just doesn't make sense. And we're proven that every day. It's people that wake up that they were like yo, they was going through something mentally right, and they keep saying that they're able to draw you know, the picture for a timeline the people who was having mental health issues, who was dealing with depression and all these things, and they draw these timelines, but there was no process to surprevent them from getting a gun or walking out their house and doing something right. There was no process that says, okay, if you you a gun on, everybody in your house has to have some mental this and that we need to know what's going on everybody there. We need to know the process, what you do to keep these guns away? Who has access to these guns? Like there should be real shit that's going on. Because if I got if you got a psycho sixteen year old and you and you ain't stopping them for getting Yeah, you should be charged. You if you're not putting those guns out of the way of sixteen fifty who are or who have no understanding what's going on and they kill people, then you should be charged. I guarantee you that to stop people from from either having the weapons or giving having these kids, they be able to have access to them. You know what I'm saying.
But there's no there are no laws that are preventing anything.
So somebody who who's deal with mental health issues decided that they want to commit suicide and say, fucking I'm about to kill me, So I'm gonna kill ten or fifteen more people with me today. You know, there's there's where's the ramifications, you know, where the consequences for anything. The parent just goes on and say, oh, I didn't know, Yeah he was going through Johnny was going through something, but I didn't think it was this. But no, if you when you know Johnny was going through something, that motherfucking gun should have been in the safe somewhere and Johnny couldn't get you.
So we if we're not saying that, then I don't know what we're saying.
I mean that's it.
The bottom line is, like you say, yes, people do kill people, but if you got access to equip that helps killing people be easier and you can kill more people, that's a problem.
And a lot of our.
Folks, black folks, say well, we should just have more guns.
And I need a gun, and you need a gun, and so everybody just needs to be able to kill everybody who west.
Let go, let's go for it. You give me aggravat you step.
On my shoe, and I got a gun, and that's what's happening.
That's what's happening.
Going in my parking lot. You got in my car by accident, and now this is how we start shooting each other. It's out of control. You fired me from a job. I don't like how you looked at me. I'm just feeling the way. We can't have that because at least it makes sense. At least you might I walking, I come in your driveway. Maybe the ball, you know, maybe the issue is that it keeps happening over and over again, that you keep being in my driveway or whatever. Okay, in that situation, at least me and you could get in a fight. But if you got a gun to shoot me. That's a whole different set of circumstances. Our guess the on let's bring them in. So, folks, we are here with a really really important topic. You know that on our show and at least every other month, we try to focus on the body, the health of our bodies. Of course, we always talk about our mental health, but we know that black folks getting checked and also getting the proper care is something that we still as a community have not been able to accomplish the goals of like being more healthy.
So we are.
Constantly attempting to. Within the street politicians platform, we talk about all the ills of the world. Who shot John, what's happening with oppression and racism and this and that, But what we do with our bodies, with our temple is equally important, if not even more important. So during the month of April, there are two very very very important weeks. One week we focus on Black maternal health and then in the next week we focus on national infertility. Right, So looking at these two issues during the month, having folks to really focus on this and obviously for our female listeners, our women out there, this is important. But what we continue to say is that our men need to know what is happening with the women in their lives, and they also need to know about their daughters. You know, not just you know your women that you're dating or your wife, but your daughter also matters. Being a man who knows how to help identify issues, being a man who understands some of the challenges that your daughter may go through, or you know your sister, your friends, this is important. So we ask that everyone take the information that we're going to get from two powerful individuals. One of them is a friend to street politicians.
We've had her before. She's our beautiful.
Sister coach Jesse, who is a fibroid survivor. She also wrote a book called in Fibroids and if you want to check out her platform where she shares so much information about fibroids and taking care of yourself, your body and healing thyself, it's the detoxnow dot com thedetoxnow dot com. And then I just learned about this gentleman that we're bringing to you all today, and he has a specific title that I am very very interested in. It is doctor John Lippman, who is an internal no interventional radiologist and interventional radiologist I can't wait to learn more about that. Doctor Littman is out of Atlanta, and he was honored by President Biden, you know, acknowledging his work. But also what I think my song for you and I. The most important thing I read in his bio is that he volunteers his time at more House College and the School of Medicine, where there are young black men becoming doctors and and in the health and wellness space. And he, as a white man, because he's a white man, has been there volunteering his time to students.
But there's also a lot of a lot of black women too. Don't forget them. Oh that's right, because the School of Medicine.
Right, because they come over from Spelman, don't they.
And other places? Yeah, I didn't know.
So that's the part that makes you cool for our show today, doctor, you got credit.
I appreciate that. I appreciate that very much. A little bit of Craig, a little bit of well. We also have a scholarship in my dad's name. He was a primary care physician for many years and Morehouse is an outstanding place for primary care. So every year a Morehouse School of Medicine graduates with a scholarship in my dad's name, so we have a scholar every year. And we also donated. A good friend of mine passed away from pancreatic cancer, Siman Baby. He was iconic here in Atlanta for many many years in the radio industry, Radio Hall of Fame, good friend, and I've donated money that there's research and pancreatic cancer going on at MSM and his name, So we really feel and it's important I serve black women and I am in the black community all the time, trying to educate women and trying also to impact philanthropy. And that's what President Biden gave me a Lifetime Achievement Award for my philanthropy, my work in the Black community. But I really want to talk about fibroids today.
But that's what we want to hear about. Like Tamika said, were really interested in your title? What exactly does that mean? Was it incos Well?
Interventional radiology is a subspecialty of radiology. We use radiology imaging to guide us all over the body. We can treat almost any surgical condition without surgery. Now in fact, we can treat aneurysms in the brain without touching a hair on the patient's head. And so what I specialize in is replacing hysterectomy for women suffering with uterine fibroids. So our patients come into our center. I founded the Atlanta Fibroid Center many years ago, and our patients come into our center. They leave the same day with a band aid and their uterus. They get all the symptoms from their fibroids eliminated in a very short procedure that takes me about thirty minutes, and they have some recovery for several hours and go home with a band aid. It's one of the biggest medical breakthroughs for women suffering with fibroids because they get told all the time they need surgery and hysterectomy. And hysterectomy is the second most common surgery performed in the United States, and half the population doesn't even have a uterus. And the most common reason why we do it is not cancer, which would be appropriate. It's for these benign fibroid tumors, which affect up to eighty percent of African American women. H So you can ask why are we essentially amputating black women for benign disease.
So an interventional radiologist means that you are someone I'm just making an assumption that I may be right about, but you're someone who goes in and attempts to Like you said, try not to have to go to the most extreme cases, but try to be interventional and help people to save their uterine.
Right.
There is a uterine artery that supplies each half of the uterus, and each of those uterin arteries are like branches of a tree. There's a big trunk at the beginning, and then they branch like a tree, getting smaller and smaller and smaller branches to you get out to the leaves. The fibroids are the leaves of the tree, and I know what size those tiny peripheral branches are, and I can plug them up and without a blood supply, the fibroids die. As they die, they soften and shrink, and as that softening and shrinking goes on, the woman's symptoms disappear and she goes home with a band aid. That's it. We just get access at the top of the right leg or occasionally the left wrist, and we can travel anywhere in the body. In this case, we're traveling to these uterine arteries. To knock out those fibroids in a very quick procedure where she goes home with all of her parts and gets the symptoms treated and she leaves with a band aid.
Why isn't this something has talked about.
I've been doing this procedure for over twenty five years. But the gatekeepers of women's health are gynecologists, and gynecologists are surgeons. They're all trained in surgery. So when you go to a surgeon, and some I mean we get referrals from gynecologists, but not so. It's not all surgeons and not all gynecologists, but the vast majority of them want to operate. That's how they make their livelihood, and so they conveniently forget to mention UFE. This is the procedure I do uterine fibroid embolization UFE, and so they just conveniently don't mention it. And women are entitled to know all the options, not just the surgical ones, but unfortunately they just hear about surgery.
And so actually help us here to understand what's happening and why are we not And we've talked about this before, Uh, you know why we're not hearing.
More options for women to save their uterus.
Yeah, first of all, you know, just I really want to piggybank on what doctor Litman said. There is a business here, okay. And the business when it comes to black women's health, you know, outside of the agenda related to neutering black women, which we'll just leave that right there, right is really around the financial and the big business around surgery. Right now, you know, I want to go a step further because you spoke about symptoms and you know, let me just be clear. I have had my emectomies, I've had the U the u f E, and I've had a hysterect me. So I've had all of the surgeries you referred to, all right, And the key thing one of the main reasons why a UFE was not a consideration early on is there are risks related to there are more occurrences of at least when I was doing it, and the that we've seen recently that there still is a higher risk of miscarriage when it comes to women who've had UFE, and that when women are considering, you know, their fertility and having children in the future. That's why it's not the first thing they want to go to. Okay, So for me, I did have the UFE. I had it after I had my daughter. I had three minamectomies before that. However, one of the things with the UFE, and it's very important, you know, I am very much about, like you said, doctor Littmann, making sure we have all of the information. That's why in our book and fibroids, literally every surgery, every treatment option, medical and alternative, as well as interventional, radiological and more are all provided because we want to make sure women are fully educated about all the options. And the thing that's really important is that if you still you have that procedure, but you don't change the lifestyle or the sympt the root issues that contributed to them, women will still find themselves having the same issue over again. So I like for us to reframe the conversation around five birds. Yes, it's a condition, but it's also a symptom of root causes happening in your life. So in my scenario, the fibroids came back. I had it in twenty twelve, the UFE in twenty twelve, and then twenty fourteen was like one of the hardest years of my life in terms of stress, which is stress is one of the contributing factors to fibroids. Okay, And when we came to a year later, my fibirds had not just returned, but they had tripled in size. Okay, Now I had of course, I had the major difference in my life. I still had a very bad diet, all right. I had endocrine disruptors. When we look at the root causes we break down in the book and fibroids, we talk about estrogen dominance. We talk about endocrine disruptors which are connected to lat the beauty products, okay, as well as plastics and lifestyle products. We talked about, of course stress being a major one vitamin D deficiency. So if we are not aware of the root causes, it doesn't matter what they do, they're gonna end up in the same scenario. So here I was, and this is before I knew any of this work. A year later, my firebords had tripled in size and all. My surgeon told me, oh, you just need to have a histrectory, doctor Limann. That's exactly what he said.
Instead of saying not that, Doctor Lippmann said it y no, no, my.
Surgeon, because doctor limmy' is my surgeon. He's an interiologist, right, I'm saying, I'm concurring with him that what was I told I needed, which was a historrect and all of this I peel back now and I'm like, my goodness, I look back. If our women are not being taught about the major root factors that are contributing, it's like chop off the tree all you want, ladies, You're gonna end up with the same issue because the roots are still deep. Okay, But to doctor Littmun's point, we need to know because there are many women who are in scenarios where they are are bleeding out, doctor Limann, are having scenarios where they need intervention literally right. They need the band day they need is to save them from developing life threatening anemia or to you know, to develop fibroids so that are so large that they cause hydrohydro nephrosis where they have kidney failure, and some of them need that radical intervention.
You know.
I teach women how to use lifestyle like you know, stress management, herbal supplements, dietary nutrition plants to reverse these conditions, but many need something that's very what do you call it, interventional, like rapid right now, and that is minimally invasive that they can turn around and now have reclaimed their lives in that moment. But I want to say with caution, don't continue your lifestyle the same way it was. Are You're going to end up finding yourself in the same place. That is why the education is necessary.
Yeah, I would agree the root causes. Unfortunately, nobody knows where fibroids come from. But once they arrive on the scene, they row with hormones, primarily estrogen, and as you mentioned, estrogen is pervasive, and the food suppli it's and the water hair products. Because what the gynecologists do is they give you two choices and they ask you are you interested in fertility? If you are, you get a myomectomy, and if you don't, are you're not interested in fertility, you get a hysterectomy. What is bomectomy is surgically cutting into the uterus, cutting out some of the fibroids. And that's where the big problem is. The reason you had three myomectomies, And in my opinion, no one should have more than one. You're allowed one, but after one, everybody, in my opinion, should have uf E if they're going to do anything, because every time you cut on that uterus, the fertility diminishes significantly. And our fertility rate after UFE is every bit is good, and I would argue somewhat better than after a myomectomy, which is surgical. Sixty percent of our patients that want to show and got children, which is and our patients tend to be older. And you mentioned, yeah, what is.
The because you I just want to know what is the percentage of people who have the same experience as as coach Jesse did with you know, it's it's a very low percentage. So what is it based on your numbers?
What is that percentage?
The percentage of people that need another UFE or another procedure? Yeah, very low if you're forty and over. I've seen some women that were less than forty. They grew new fibroids, but fibroids shouldn't.
Come back in a year. Saying low, give me like, is something five.
To ten percent of people that we've seen over forty need another procedure? Like as high as ten percent? It's pretty low.
Over forty, doctor Littman. You know, so I was younger than forty, right, but right, lot of women.
You came back very quickly. I mean within a year or two. You said it tripled.
I mean, but it was a ten year journey my first. You know, like they kept coming back because of the lifestyle as well as because I was doing IVF so my body.
Because you said earlier, doctor Littmann, which I understand. Your point is that there is no one specific thing that everyone knows brings on fibrides, right, so.
We don't well, but the one there are studies, There are studies that prove there are definitely directly linked things that are proved they contribute to them. Let's let's not say we have no idea.
I mean, we don't know how to prevent them, so we don't know exactly where, we know what chromosome is involved. We just don't know the gene. And once we know gene then we can really do some effective preventive stuff. But in the meantime, we do tell our patients try to limit your exposure to estrogen, and that can be through a number of ways. Try to avoid red meat, non organic chicken, dairy, try to you know, lose that excess body fat. Estrogen is stored and produced in body fat. It's one of the reasons why African American women disproportionately suffer with fibroids over like say Asian women who have very low body fat and low risk for fibroids. It's not the only answer. By far. I see lots of very fit African American women with very low body fat and big fibroids. F D is really important. It's definitely shown.
So I'm just I don't I want to catch up, but I want to make sure that our listeners understand. That's the point that I'm making where I understand you, doctor Lippmann, even though I agree with you, Coach Jesse and saying that different people have different things. So it's not like there's this one thing that causes fibroids in all people. Because some people have good eating habits, but they may be dealing with severe stress issues. You know, some people have other health things. So there's different things that can happen in different people. And that brings me to something you already answered, but we may be able to delve into it a little more. I see when I'm in the South, I see white women online at the Popeyes and the you know, the chicken joint. It's not just us eating fried food, you know, smoking and drinking and doing and they have stress. So I'm still trying. I know you're saying that there's a difference, but I'm still trying to figure out why is it that African Americans who may have that. You can have black women who are living exactly the same as some white women, but there's still something that gives us these issues that the white women don't have.
Go ahead, Coach Jesse, Well, you asked him first, so go ahead.
Oh whoever, there are three. I mean, there's we talked about. We know estrogen contributes and estrogen is produced and stored in body fat. So we tell patients there are things you can't control. You can't pick your parents if you look genetically fibroids run genetically stronger in African American families, but you can't do anything about that. Now, So there are things you can't control, and there are things you can control. You can control your diet, your exercise, try to everybody knows their ideal body weight for their frame, and they can try to lose weight, exercise, try to, you know, do some other things that help with stress in their life. Vitamin D is really important. It's a very powerful anti fibroid growth hormone. Technically it's a hormone, not a vitamin. But only ten percent of African American men or women get adequate vitamin D and that's the most powerful anti fibroid growth hormone that's ever been shown. Green tea extract is another one, but nowhere near as good as vitamin D. And so you can get your vitamin D checked and you can supplement, and so there are things you can do to help your fibroids.
I could piggyback on that. So there's another piece. So yes, So when we look at the differences, white women don't deal with vitamin D deficiency. We do because our melanin actually blocks the absorption of vitamin D hormone. Of the UVB rays that the body turns around and converts and makes the vitamin D hormone with Okay, so that's really important. Most women, most Black women are vitamin D deficients. And it is, like doctor Litman said, one of the number one actual hormones that helps our body fight vibrates. Okay, research shows it, we break it down. It's in my book literally. However, the other thing is you talked about he talked about obesity. How you know obesity, It is a major issue. But when we talked about the beauty products, the Environmental Work Group just did a recent study and seventy eight percent of the products and I want to get it right here that are marketed to Black women contain ingredients that were classified as moderately hazard or highly potential hazards. The potential hazards were ingredients linked to cancer, hormone disruption, and reproductive damage. Okay, now we're not just talking about relaxers here. We're talking about.
That's one thing. Relaxers is one thing.
It is no, no, no, it is. I'm saying it is in that group.
I'm just making sure people I hear you.
Absolutely so beauty products including relaxers, gel are lotions, our shampoos. I did a it's on my ig feed. I did an actual scan. I use this app called yuca app, and I scanned the products on my shelf, my beauty shelf, and literally through a huge shopping bag of products out many were even black owned. Why because they contained thalates and toxins that were not just bad, but very damaging to our hormone disruption as well as reproductive damage. All right, So that's a big thing when it comes. Even when we're wearing our hair natural, we still need to be aware and make sure that we're choosing clean products. Okay. And then the other thing is, and I'm gonna say this, white women are stress. However, black women carry stress in our bodies at a level that is not even potential for white women because of how our history in this nation and because of what we deal with on a daily basis, we deal with racism and sexism, and we carry the stress in our bodies the trauma of racism. Literally, it upregulates our body's response to all of these triggers. Upregulate means it increases your response to it. Okay, so when you look at as a black woman, I was just thinking about everything that happened with Ralph y'all last weekend. I was God, Oh my God. I was literally heartbroken, praying, crying. I couldn't even recover from that and worship God and be happy that he survived. Before we saw about the teenagers, the two little boys who were grabbed out of their cars, the cheerleader yesterday, like every day, black people are being broken and abuse and oppressed in this world. And that's not that's not even talk about in the corporate world to me, because this is the work you do every day, you see it, right, so understand that.
But I ask you because when we say it, they say we race bay in.
Oh this is.
This.
Let me tell you.
I'm going to give you an example. We're not even just talking about. You know, there's the mass trauma that we deal with, which is okay, yes, we see. There's there's the trauma of police brutality. There's a trauma of blatant racism, and the systemic you know, health care access, inequities, so many things that we deal with, right, and then there's the things that we deal with personally, the microaggressions on the job or in the or or professionally. You know how many times you say I have to work ten times harder than the woman next to me in order to be seen and respected. Understand this means that my body's pumping cortisol all the time at a radical level that I can't even recover from. Understand, So my body is in an inflammatory state every day all day. That's why in our practice, what we teach women is to reverse their stressors, is to learn to value and know that they are enough and understand that they need to be able to say no, and understand how to prioritize their self care because if they don't make the self care including of course nutrition, of course, better beauty products, of course, being healthy in their relationships, et cetera. You know, my whole ethos is detox living life free of toxic thoughts, people, habits, and foods. There's a lot we need to heal from, right, and we need to start with ourselves because if we don't do these things, we're going to just find ourselves in a constant state of illness. So that, for me, is a major difference as to why we're disproportionately. We don't just get fibers, we get them larger, we get them more some domatic right because of those issues, and that is a big difference when you look at women black women.
Excuse me, excellently said so, doctor Litman. You know, we know we don't have that much time.
I just want you to give us, you know, some real tips, some real something strong that we can that we can take back, that our listeners can take back. How do they prevent I mean, what are the preventative measures? What are the best things we need to do going forward. What is the process that you recommend, and just give us enlighten us.
There's so many things on that that I'll give you.
Some Doctor Liman, let me just add to that, so you can also say, what are the questions that women need to be asking or their husbands, you know, their brothers, their fathers need to be asking and be mindful of when we're in the medical offices.
Well, when it comes to fibroids, they need to ask, you know, about all the options and not just the surgical ones. And so they they're entitled to know that you're correct. Black women get them earlier, more numerous, they're bigger, and they're more likely to get a hysterectomy and more likely to die in the hospital. And we've got to stop doing hysterectomies for benign tumors. Fibroids are not cancer, they're benign. The average age of hysterectomy less than forty, and I've seen way too many women less than thirty. I spoke at Tuskegee on my dissertation was we are going through the Tuskegee experiment of our time right now with fibroids. The one important point is, no matter what your gynecologist tells you, you do not need a hysterectomy for fibroids. UFE is one of the biggest breakthroughs for women. I'm sorry it didn't work for Jesse like it does for the vast majority of women. I don't know why that happened. It's individuals sometimes that happens, But for the vast majority of people, once they get to the phase where they need something done, UFE is way better. We've had numerous children born after UFE. I've had multiple sets of twin berths. Our berths are typically full term and vaginal. Once you have a myomectomy, you're going to get a C section if you do get pregnant. Also a myth that I'd like to dispel is that gynecologists tell patients every day that once they're done having their children, they don't need their uterus anymore. That's absurd. The uterus is a very important for women psychologically, sexually, bone health, heart health, you name it. But I hear that all the time that, oh, mynecologist said, I don't need my uterus anymore. That's preposterous. So if you go to the doctor and you and your symptoms aren't being addressed, or if you feel like you're not being listened to or dismissed in any way, find another doctor. Because I see women that think their period is normal, and it's absolutely not normal. So we should have talked to like about the symptoms, because a lot of women don't recognize heavy bleeding as being heavy because they've been doing it for so long. If your period is so heavy that it interferes with your quality of life, that needs to be treated, no matter what your hemoglobin level is, no matter what your gynecologist tells you, and if you need to see somebody else, see somebody else. So don't let these things. You know, we have over a million women in the United States right now that are suffering on the sidelines with fibroids. They don't want surgery, and I don't blame them. They don't want hysterectomy, but that's the only option they've been given. It's a big physical and mental drain on these women, and we can end it very easily with UFE.
Does you how much does it cost and is it covered by insurance?
Yes, All insurances cover UFE, including Medicare and Medicaid, and we take both. The cost is less than a history rectomy, but it really is individual. It depends on your insurance plan. But it is absolutely less because we don't use a hospital. Anytime you go to the hospital for any kind of imaging, radiology, imaging, or any procedure, it's way more expensive. And so we're not Our Atlanta Fibroid Center is not in a hospital, so the cost is much less with us than the traditional hospital.
If you will, wow, Coach Jesse, I want to ask you one question and then we're gonna let you guys go.
I know I said twelve thirty five, but this is just too good, too good.
There is a very popular thing happening where people are celebrating some black women, especially being overweight. Right, it's this big celebration, and I think we should certainly always it's.
Called body sham. If you say that a woman shouldn't be a way, you body shaman. At this point, I don't know where that mean from other.
Right, And and I and I want to I want us to celebrate the beauty of all. So I'm not here in any way to talk down on or to say and we won't mention certain individuals because this is not about that. But I do not believe that it is healthy to be overweight, right, So could you speak to that for us, because I think this is gonna be one of the most important clips that comes out of this show. It's many things you all have said. That's very powerful. I feel sorry for the editors.
But woman, I just think it's people generous.
This is this is, this is very true people, people who are overweight.
What can you share about the concept or this new thing that you know, I'm fat and I'm proud and you can be fat and this is you know, nothing wrong with it, and let's celebrate the beauty of you know, being overweight.
What would you say about you know?
Number one, we should always accept and love ourselves, right, but we should also love and accept ourselves so much that we won't leave ourselves where we less than what we can be. And what I mean by that is when you realize that your legacy, your ability to fulfill your purpose on this earth, can be curtailed by the health issues and conditions that are tied to being obese. Right, being overweight, you have to face the honest truth that there's a difference between accepting who you are and settling with where you are, all right, that's two different things. And the reason it's critical is because when I look every day, my motivation is my daughter, Right, I want to be here. I want to live for the rest of them. I want to live as long as I can to be there for her and the loved ones you have in your life, whoever they are, and the purpose and the dreams you have, will you be here to actually fulfill them? You have to be healthy in order to do that. And the unfortunate truth is that diabetes, fibroids, like doctor Littmann spoke about heart disease, all of these things are multiplied factors. When we deal with obesity. Obesity, that one thing multiplies the occurrence of all these other issues.
Right.
So it's sort of like how we took the N word and we said, we're empowering ourselves with the N word. You know what, I don't use the N word because there's too much tied to it in terms of how it criminal, how it literally was used to kill us, and the idea of obesity being something that or being overweight being just happy with yourself in terms of where you're going the truth is that it's actually holding you back. Right, So we need to face the truth what's holding us back, and if it's holding us back, it doesn't mean that we don't love ourselves where we are and accept ourselves for who we are, because our weight is not who we are. Who we are are is us, it's our essence. So it's about not letting ourselves specifically be held back by that. So that reframe is really important. There's a difference. There's a total difference between loving and accepting who you are and settling for where you are.
Huge difference. Wow, that sounds like sounds like gospel right there. Man.
You know, I just want to say thank you guys, because you're educated me on a lot of things. You know, I have sister, and I have a lot of female friends and everything. So I just want to just be clear about what's going on here. I think that I'm gonna start telling people to work on them fibroids, get some five broid checks.
You know, you know something we didn't say, And I want to make sure everybody knows, no matter how young, as soon as you are, you know, in your early twenties, because I see clients who are they've had five birds since they were nineteen. Like you need to ask for sonograms. We need to say, you know something's wrong. My heavy bleeding is an indication, like doctor Litmann said, something is wrong. Stop allowing doctors to say that heavy bleeding is normal, especially for black women. And when you see that, listen to I do this thing. It's called listen to your bay, your body, your advocates, and your experts. And I want every woman to understand that when you are in the doctor's office, there are always two experts in the room. It's you who are the expert on yourself and the physician who's the expert on their practice, their industry. Never let anybody disregard or diminish the value of your voice. So if you owe your body and something's wrong, find somebody else who will listen and understand and cooperate with you in terms of the vision you have for your health.
Wow.
Well, look, it seems to me that both you and doctor Lippman have great bedside manners. That that's a part of the treatment process, is to really listen to women and to try to understand what they're experiencing.
And I know that you all know it's very difficult to find. That very difficult.
In fact, I didn't have a primary care doctor, as you said, doctor lippin your father, you know it was a primary care physician. I didn't have one, and I almost kind of still don't have one for all of these years. In fact, the nurse practitioner has been seeing me, and I've been going from the nurse practitioner to specialists for anything that I need to, you know, check on, because the primary care physicians within my network, I didn't like them. I didn't like how I was treated.
One of them.
I knew this, She knew me for what I do every day, and I could tell there was animosity in the room. I could feel the energy from her. So I stopped seeing her, and then I have not been able to find and especially to find a black primary care physician.
It is very difficult.
So it is a challenge, and I know so many women who are out there listening understand that's stress in and of itself. Trying to just figure that part out is stressful. So I want to thank you doctor Lippmann, doctor John Lippman, and also Coach Jesse for joining us on.
Street politicians today.
We have been educated and we intend to share what we've heard here today as much as possible so that people will get the information they need UFE. UFE is something I have never heard at forty two years old, never heard about it.
So it's been going on for twenty five years. And that's the real shame. It's well proven, safe and effective outpatient home the same day with a band aid. It's a revolutionary procedure that's been around a long time. It's just the people that perform it are different physicians than the gatekeepers of women's health, the gynecologists. So you got to, unfortunately, do your homework. You got to be your own advocate, and if you're not getting the answers you're looking for, you got to look elsewhere. And I wish people knew about it, and I appreciate the time to educate and to let people. Hopefully someone will see this and spread the word about how good UFE is. And we also have to do fibroid research. I mean, if you look at fibroid research, it gets almost no funding, and that's why we don't know where fibroids come from. And just to give you an example, fibroids gets about fifteen million dollars a year in research, yet it affects up to eighty percent of African American women. They think around twenty six twenty six million women suffer with fibroids at a thirty five billion dollar price tag per year. That translates to sixty nine cents per person affected. And now if you look at something that affects white people, Caucasians, cystic fibrosis, they're only thirty thousand people that have cystic fibrosis, yet it commands ninety four million in research. That's three thousand dollars per person and an impact of less than a billion a year. So you have fibroids which affect lots of people with huge impact, getting sixty nine cents a person and research, and you get this kind of niche cystic fibrosis which affects thirty thousand people getting ninety four million in research, three thousand a person. It's just it's one of obviously many disparities.
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There are two experts in the room.
One is you because you know your body and the other expert is the doctor or the healthcare professional.
That was a powerful statement from coach Jesse.
It's the truth.
I mean, nobody can't tell you how you feel. And if you allow somebody to tell you that something you that hurts you don't hurt you, or something you feel is not the then.
It's something you feel is different.
People wait for extreme pain to identify that there's an issue when really it's a change, right, Like, you have to pay more attention to the change, the subtle change, versus the pain and suffering, because that's.
Like the point where we're like, oh.
Yeah, when something ships about your body, you know, when you're metaboli, something about you don't fit. When you feel off, then usually something is off.
That's right.
So shout out to coach Jesse, shout out to doctor Littman. You know, that was a very enlightening conversation. And just hearing those things. I didn't even what is it called the uf UFF. I didn't even know that existed. You know about my grandmother had a hasty hysterector, so I remember that, you know that procedure, and I believe actually that my mother had one too. I'm not I won't be sure, but I know that my grandmother had My hundred is in short, that my grandmother had one of those, and she used to talk about it, you know, and it seemed.
Like it was just a common thing.
Yeah, it really is something that they offer you or advise you to do all the time, like it's something it's a regular conversation at the doctor's office. In fact, there are people who are getting them without any issues because they are afraid if they if cancer, uterine cancer, if it runs in your family, get rid of your uterus.
That's that's just crazy that we've been taught things like that. But you know, shout out to them for giving us more education and look in to the UF.
Look into that.
I really want to know, you know what you what you get from it, because anything that limits somebody having to go into your body and operate and rip and tear and cut, you know what I'm saying, and remove and remove I mean, but you don't have to do any physical anything because and he's saying that the results are way higher. So hey, I'm all for anything that you know, removes pain and some fridge from our people.
So now with that said, pain and suffrage from our people. My I don't get it. So we was having a conversation.
Earlier about the protests that we did in Akron, Ohio for Jaalen Walker. We you know, we were in Unison working with the local shout out to Freedom Block, who had organized you know, a press conference along.
With the march. And then later on that evening, there was an.
Action that had occurred inside the Cavaliers versus the Knicks game, which the Knicks lost terribly, but we weren't actually there for the game. We wanted to highlight, you know, the non indictment of the officers who murdered Jaileen Walker. So while we were doing this action, which you know, the action was, we had a banner in which said justice for Jalen Walker. And during the ESPN postgame report, which is in the lobby of the Cavalist Arena, you know, we were going to be behind this, you know, giving millions of people who watch the playoffs, who watch ESPN, letting them know that we want justice for general Walker.
So this was the action that you know that we organize along with Freedom Block.
Freedom Black organized it and we were involved with So as we were standing there and the commentators were giving their take on the game and we were behind it. There's a clip if you can go see it, hopefully they'll put it in, you know. But there's this clip of us and we're behind seeing Justice vi Jenia Walker, Justice vi Jenia Walker, and the only person that comes to pull down the banner is the one black man standing. Now there's all types of other people there. There are white people there, they're security guards. Every nobody is touching us. But this one black man who didn't even seem to be a security guard, he just took like somebody who is doing it on a post. He grabs and pulls down the band. Nobody else is doing it. So that's the first situation. And I asked him, I said, brother, they don't pay you enough to do that. Like, I don't even think that's in your job title to grab and engage civilians here, because that could be something that causes, you know, outbreak. All you have to do is it struck us. Hey, you can't do talk. You didn't physically have to grab that. They don't pay you to do that. So he said, oh, it's my job, brother, whatever whatever.
Brother.
Then he let it go and he moves off, So we walk in. Then another black man comes behind us. Oh, y'all gotta go, y'all gotta go once again. It's a bunch of white officers, security guards, people that work there, concession people. Nobody has said anything to us, but the another black man is behind me, arguing back and forth.
H He's arguing with you, hold on, And I'm like, brother, why why are you?
Why are you more angry about us trying to get justice for a black man than the white people are. I don't understand why the white people are applauding us as we're saying it, and you behind us trying to impose your will you on my back. You you're about to cause a physical altercation situation because you overprotected the white people's situation.
Like why And I don't This is what my I don't get it is.
I don't get why black people seem like they got to protect the white people's stuff more than the white people. The black people is always black people that are the biggest hinderance to us standing up for our own people. It's all week like, I very rarely have these interactions, physical interactions or face to faces with white people. And in that situation, as the black man was walking behind us, and me and him is face to face, a white security guard with a white shirt and his security all that.
Pushes him back.
It's his brother, don't even worried about it. And I'm like, how the white man got to push you back and tell you not to engage just when that's his job.
He's the security here. You're not even a security guard, and you're us doing that man's job.
I would say one thing, And it's interesting because I want to say, you said the black people are always the biggest hindrance, and I want to say no to that, right because I want to say no, Well, when we were out in Louisville, Kentucky, it was the white people who were out there with their guns. I never was approached by a black person or never had the fear or the concern of a black person shooting me in opposition. I never felt that it was white men and who were out there with their weapons trying to intimidate us. But the people that we had to fight with and deal with the drama and almost getting into fights with that was supposed to be on.
That and you do this and this and that.
The people that go on line every day and try to attack you. The people that you did shit for and tried to help and sat up in your circle and you thought you was cool that got up on there and said you ain't shit and this and that it's the black people, that's what did.
You know?
So those are the things I just don't I don't get wh why we want to discredit and this, and like people all day were going out there, we fight for jail and Walker, you know, and there's photos that are you know, very very drastic online and it's black people still on there to my own tell us talk about.
The black on black crime. Why you don't put that on your page? And I'm like, well, it's about.
Sixty to seventy of those in the last two or three months that I talk about the violence in our community. I say, won't you look up the hashtag boycott black murder talking because you know you don't even know, but you're using that to distract and try to discredit us from trying to get real justice from a man who is shocked by people who's supposed to protect him and they're not being accountable at all.
And you will utilize your voice, Oh my, soign it is not.
And this is why me and you are always at it about this issue.
You are sitting there responding to people who know exactly what you have been doing, and they are purposely saying why you don't do this and that that is their job.
They are trying to frust They know nobody.
Nobody doesn't know.
There's not a person who follows us online or who is a part of our orbit. They're in this space, they're reading, watching making comments that does not know that boycott black murder exists. How long we've been doing violence intervention work, how you spend time dealing.
With the streets and what goes on in the underground of the community.
They know it. They are purposely trying to aggravate you, discredit, you fill up your comments section with doubt. For newcomers, that is what's going on.
They know.
And you sit there and be like, why don't you go and do you? You are you are.
Making yourself old before your time.
I'm not being old at all? Is that because those things I don't you listen to me. I only even responsorship when I have time to do it. I don't.
I don't engage, I don't I don't personalize any of it. It just sometimes when you make a statement that I know that it's easily to dispel. I dispel it, but I'm talking about that in that situation, you know, when there was a physical face to face with black people, and they did all they could to try to discourage and and stop a message of us trying to get justice for a man who was shot forty six times, shot at ninety times, you know, who was unarmed.
It's crazy to me.
It's crazy that you, even in your heart, can justify it because you didn't even have to do It's not.
Even like this was in your job description.
If you all you have to do is say hey, you guys can't stay here, right and call somebody else to do Get somebody else to do it. Get somebody else to do it. Bro tell them, look, I'm not physically engaging no people. I told them they had to leave this. They don't do that.
Y'are supposed to call the officers, let them do their job.
You say, hey, you know, I'm just letting you know that you can't do this if I don't, if I don't listen to you after that, there's nothing in your job descript You watch people do snatching grabs all the time. The people even a regular security guarden store ain't grabbing them because it ain't in this job description. A regular security job. Only thing to do is deter you if you do something that could threaten his health. He don't have a weapon he can do. He ain't supposed to physically engage anybody.
And that is a.
No, no, no, no no.
The security guard can only do something if you threaten his life, or you got a weapon, or you do something physical.
He does not.
All he has to do is contact the police at this time, because right this time he's a visible.
He visibly can see.
He can report, he can do this, he can deter he can tell you that you can't steal. But his job is not the physically. When they physically start grabbing people, that's going above and beyond their job.
They don't. They don't have to physically.
I don't think I.
Promise you this.
There's no security guard who is required to put his hands on anybody.
There's no requirement. Look it up.
There's no requirement where security guard is required to put his hands on you. He's he can deter you, he can try to do whatever. He can call the authorities and let him know something happened.
But it is not within his.
Job description to physically put his hands on you. If he wants to, he's justified it. He feels like he could do it, but it's not in his job descriptions where if he doesn't do it, he didn't fulfill his job.
Okay, promise you that I ain't gonna argue with you if you say so.
So with that said, black people, get out your own way.
Stop trying to stop us from doing something that's gonna help you, because unfortunately we dying at rapid rates.
Police is killing us.
We killing us all types of things, and when we fighting to stop those things from happening, and utilizing your voice, your body, and your anything to try to stop the real narrative and the real justice that we're trying to get it. When you're doing that, you're only hurting yourself. You ain't hurting us, You're only hurting yourself. And with that said, shout out to doctor Littmann, shout out to coach Jesse for the education that they gave us today. Women, please please check your bodies. Fibroids is Syria his thing, but there are alternatives. You know, you don't have to get history that the craziest number he said was that that's the second biggest operation and women or not even Wow, that's crazy, he broke that. That's unbelievable, just the stat that he gave us. But anyway, go check your body, man, We love you.
Men.
Get your women to check your body, get your sisters to check your body, daughters, everything, make sure that you in tune with yourself. Brings us to the end of another episode. Number one podcasts in the world Street Politicians. I'm your host.
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