Toby Walsh is one of the world's foremost artificial intelligence researchers — a professor at UNSW, author of multiple books on AI, and a regular voice at the United Nations on the governance of autonomous weapons.

In this conversation, Mark Bouris and Walsh cover the full arc of AI: from Alan Turing's original question about machine intelligence, to the way ChatGPT actually works, to the concentration of power in the hands of a handful of Silicon Valley figures. They examine the economics of the AI industry — who is actually making money, and why companies are spending billions they cannot yet recoup. Walsh also addresses the military application of AI in Ukraine and Gaza, the threat of autonomous weapons, and why he believes we may need to see atrocities before the world acts.

• How Alan Turing defined artificial intelligence — and why that definition matters now
• Why AI hallucinates and what it actually means when a chatbot gives you a wrong answer
• The concentration of AI power into a small number of companies and individuals
• Autonomous weapons, AI targeting in Gaza, and the coming arms race
• The future of work — the four-day week, productivity gains, and what happens to human purpose
• Why AI will likely replace human driving — and why that is a good thing
• The case for global regulation and what Walsh is telling the United Nations

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