In this episode, we shift our focus from state influence to the intriguing process of independence movements in the Pacific. 

We delve into the complexities of law and politics, particularly in Bougainville and West Papua, where experts and activists shed light on their independence efforts. 

We discover how these regions navigate the intricate paths to independence, often balancing international appeal and support from other nations. 

How do we make independence attractive to the world when recognition is driven by a whole host of factors, including the interests of existing states, and there’s no such thing as a ‘free lunch’?

This episode features:

- Gordon Peake - Host

- Anthony Regan - Professor and Constitutional Lawyer at Australian National University 

- James Tanis - President of Office of the Bougainville and Former President of Bougainville Autonomous Government  

- Gezim Visoka - Associate Professor of Peace and Conflict Studies at Dublin City University 

- Ronny Kareni - Free West Papuan Activist, Trained Diplomat, and Vocational Specialist