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Good evening. They're at a sports talk It's Tuesday evening. It's the eighteenth of March twenty twenty five. Him, Darcy and all the grave. Thanks for joining us. Yes, from until eight o'clock tonight.

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Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty, and we're going to talk a lot of rugby of an evening and all things going well and good to we'll get across to Camp black Cap. They've just white Pakistan. Well, the wipe ping was early and then they just finished it loft toward the end, so hopefully we can get into camp once they've crawled out of a shower toward the end of the program. Are successful, victory, Well done those men. What a start it was as well. What ten six's and four fours from the opening pair. Oh, it's a great start. Anyway, more on that later on the piece. But in this first segment of the program, Rugby Direct Podcast that's Liam Napier and Elliott Smith secured a good forty five to fifty minute chat with two of the key players in New Zealand. Rugby. Are those players being the CEO Mark Robinson and the head coach of the All Blacks, Scott Robertson talk to them about well a number of different issues right across the rugby landscape. You can hear that newstalk CB dot co dot NZ going to look for that podcast, drop it down, have a listen. But we're going to talk with the eligibility situation, so we'll hear from those guys. First. We'll hear from Lim and Elliott talking with Scott and Mark about eligibility specifically, because it like it feels like this is what they've said. They're finally on the same page after being a prime agitator in the All Black coaching jumper, Scott's come back to the pack and they realize that they've got us sing off the same song sheet. So hear about that shortly. And then I've got Gregor Paul. Gregor Paul, much esteemed and extraordinary colleague. I love talking rugby this blake, he writes from New Zealand Herald. He'll give us his thoughts on what he understands and what he's heard around these two guys talking again. The Rugby Direct podcast as where you can find the entire interview forty forty five to fifty minutes, not for a good accounting. But coming up next we'll listen to the key pieces around eligibility and what the two bosses think obviously the all black coach and the CEO. It's Mark Robinson and Scott Robertson two Robbos around the corner. Up after that we'll have a chat with Gregor Paul that will take you all thoughts on eight hundred eighty ten eighty. You can always text through nineteen nineteen that ZBZ beats down top text charge does of course apply. But before any of that, let's do this sort today that in Sport today the Black Cabs comfortably beat Pakistan today in Dunedin that in the game before the weather beat the White Funds and Sri Lanka. The series was drawn through that washout. Captain Suzie Bates wasn't exactly stoked. I think it was a young group just any opportunity to be under pressure and a series decider is really important for this young group.

Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty, and we're going to talk a lot of rugby of an evening and all things going well and good to we'll get across to Camp black Cap. They've just white Pakistan. Well, the wipe ping was early and then they just finished it loft toward the end, so hopefully we can get into camp once they've crawled out of a shower toward the end of the program. Are successful, victory, Well done those men. What a start it was as well. What ten six's and four fours from the opening pair. Oh, it's a great start. Anyway, more on that later on the piece. But in this first segment of the program, Rugby Direct Podcast that's Liam Napier and Elliott Smith secured a good forty five to fifty minute chat with two of the key players in New Zealand. Rugby. Are those players being the CEO Mark Robinson and the head coach of the All Blacks, Scott Robertson talk to them about well a number of different issues right across the rugby landscape. You can hear that newstalk CB dot co dot NZ going to look for that podcast, drop it down, have a listen. But we're going to talk with the eligibility situation, so we'll hear from those guys. First. We'll hear from Lim and Elliott talking with Scott and Mark about eligibility specifically, because it like it feels like this is what they've said. They're finally on the same page after being a prime agitator in the All Black coaching jumper, Scott's come back to the pack and they realize that they've got us sing off the same song sheet. So hear about that shortly. And then I've got Gregor Paul. Gregor Paul, much esteemed and extraordinary colleague. I love talking rugby this blake, he writes from New Zealand Herald. He'll give us his thoughts on what he understands and what he's heard around these two guys talking again. The Rugby Direct podcast as where you can find the entire interview forty forty five to fifty minutes, not for a good accounting. But coming up next we'll listen to the key pieces around eligibility and what the two bosses think obviously the all black coach and the CEO. It's Mark Robinson and Scott Robertson two Robbos around the corner. Up after that we'll have a chat with Gregor Paul that will take you all thoughts on eight hundred eighty ten eighty. You can always text through nineteen nineteen that ZBZ beats down top text charge does of course apply. But before any of that, let's do this sort today that in Sport today the Black Cabs comfortably beat Pakistan today in Dunedin that in the game before the weather beat the White Funds and Sri Lanka. The series was drawn through that washout. Captain Suzie Bates wasn't exactly stoked. I think it was a young group just any opportunity to be under pressure and a series decider is really important for this young group.

So it's a shame we didn't get that opportunity.

So it's a shame we didn't get that opportunity.

Chances of all white Marco Samit's are linking up at Nottingham Forest with national teammate and forest striker Chris Wood.

Chances of all white Marco Samit's are linking up at Nottingham Forest with national teammate and forest striker Chris Wood.

Well, what are they Marco's wood Forest, But he got loaned out to the Greek outfit Olympiakoss almost immediately. So will he get a crack at joining Chris and having a gone the.

Well, what are they Marco's wood Forest, But he got loaned out to the Greek outfit Olympiakoss almost immediately. So will he get a crack at joining Chris and having a gone the.

It all depends on the next two months.

It all depends on the next two months.

The cards are not on my table at the moment for me to decide, so it's really ultimately up to Forest. Obviously, my ambitions and my goals is to join Woodsy up in Forest.

The cards are not on my table at the moment for me to decide, so it's really ultimately up to Forest. Obviously, my ambitions and my goals is to join Woodsy up in Forest.

So what's cause he explodes some interest in Super Rugby Pacific A number of things including the close and sometimes surprising results seas into our CEO Mark Robinson.

So what's cause he explodes some interest in Super Rugby Pacific A number of things including the close and sometimes surprising results seas into our CEO Mark Robinson.

And that's you know, creating Jeopardy as Raises mentioned, and real uncertainty and results. And then I think combined the commission to be able to stand up in a radiably short amount of time, as we've always said, have a real dedicated focus on the competition.

And that's you know, creating Jeopardy as Raises mentioned, and real uncertainty and results. And then I think combined the commission to be able to stand up in a radiably short amount of time, as we've always said, have a real dedicated focus on the competition.

Well, whatever they've done, it's worked, it's starting. And finally golf, Ryan Foxes counting as like he stars that he got off TPC saw Grass at the Players Championship when he did a fifth morning was required to find eventual winner Rory Maceroid sounded awful though.

Well, whatever they've done, it's worked, it's starting. And finally golf, Ryan Foxes counting as like he stars that he got off TPC saw Grass at the Players Championship when he did a fifth morning was required to find eventual winner Rory Maceroid sounded awful though.

Glad we didn't have to go back out and play any holes this morning. We left saw grasses wanning around ten thirty after the playoff and it was brutally cold. It was blowing from a different direction and stronger than it had done all week. And you know, seventeen was playing into the wind alms, playing into the.

Glad we didn't have to go back out and play any holes this morning. We left saw grasses wanning around ten thirty after the playoff and it was brutally cold. It was blowing from a different direction and stronger than it had done all week. And you know, seventeen was playing into the wind alms, playing into the.

Win oow, And that's sport. Today Today's released the podcast from Rugby Direct that is our Voice of Rugby Elliott Smith with the rugby writer from The Herald, Liam napier As. They had a couple of the power breakers that you seelander rugby in with them for their podcast on Rugby Direct, Mark Robinson CEO, Scott robertson All Black Head Coach. They talked across a number of issues, ideas, thoughts around the current rugby landscape. One thing they did speak of was eligibility. I'm going to take you now to lim Ann Elliott with Mark and Scott. You can take a listen to where they have settled after well. There was not exactly a chasm between the two characters, but they really did agree on which way eligibility was going to go. It looks like they've finally settled their differences and they've come to a conclusion. Take a listen to this. After that, Greg got Paul Zell and Herald Rugby writer joined us to pick through the bones of that and then we'll take your calls on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. It is twelve after seven. This is News Talk to ZB Let's get things going with the Rugby Direct podcast. Elliott and Liam with Mark and Scott. Liam starts off.

Win oow, And that's sport. Today Today's released the podcast from Rugby Direct that is our Voice of Rugby Elliott Smith with the rugby writer from The Herald, Liam napier As. They had a couple of the power breakers that you seelander rugby in with them for their podcast on Rugby Direct, Mark Robinson CEO, Scott robertson All Black Head Coach. They talked across a number of issues, ideas, thoughts around the current rugby landscape. One thing they did speak of was eligibility. I'm going to take you now to lim Ann Elliott with Mark and Scott. You can take a listen to where they have settled after well. There was not exactly a chasm between the two characters, but they really did agree on which way eligibility was going to go. It looks like they've finally settled their differences and they've come to a conclusion. Take a listen to this. After that, Greg got Paul Zell and Herald Rugby writer joined us to pick through the bones of that and then we'll take your calls on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. It is twelve after seven. This is News Talk to ZB Let's get things going with the Rugby Direct podcast. Elliott and Liam with Mark and Scott. Liam starts off.

If we're getting too some some hot topics. Eligibility is a big one. There's been an evolution over time. We all know that you currently can't select All Blacks from offshore. There's the sabbatical options. Where do you both sit currently about the eligibility stance and where do you see it get into in the next few years.

If we're getting too some some hot topics. Eligibility is a big one. There's been an evolution over time. We all know that you currently can't select All Blacks from offshore. There's the sabbatical options. Where do you both sit currently about the eligibility stance and where do you see it get into in the next few years.

Yeah, well, we're really clear as an organization.

Yeah, well, we're really clear as an organization.

You know, there's been a lot of say, speculation and talk about it, but through all of that we've been really firm that it's been a big part of successive New Zealand Rugby and the All Blacks for some time.

You know, there's been a lot of say, speculation and talk about it, but through all of that we've been really firm that it's been a big part of successive New Zealand Rugby and the All Blacks for some time.

It is a key sort of incentive for players to remain here, and.

It is a key sort of incentive for players to remain here, and.

It is something that is also important for the wider pathways and development of the game here.

It is something that is also important for the wider pathways and development of the game here.

So look, it's right.

So look, it's right.

It's an area where there's always probably going to be, you know, a degree of scrutiny, as it is for many areas of the game.

It's an area where there's always probably going to be, you know, a degree of scrutiny, as it is for many areas of the game.

It's great, you know, there's passion and interest in the game.

It's great, you know, there's passion and interest in the game.

But for us, we've been able to for a long period of time retain the vast majority of players we've been wanting to retain, and then obviously in the last little while there's been as you said, within the policy, there's the tools and flexibility to be creative where we need to recognize some of those long term servants that have given so much to the game and be able to give back while retaining them, you know, longer term with the All Blacks in New Zealand rugby.

But for us, we've been able to for a long period of time retain the vast majority of players we've been wanting to retain, and then obviously in the last little while there's been as you said, within the policy, there's the tools and flexibility to be creative where we need to recognize some of those long term servants that have given so much to the game and be able to give back while retaining them, you know, longer term with the All Blacks in New Zealand rugby.

So overall, you know, we'll always be.

So overall, you know, we'll always be.

Open to sort of looking at it in the future, but at the moment we're pretty firm and supportive of it.

Open to sort of looking at it in the future, but at the moment we're pretty firm and supportive of it.

Raising you've them obviously been one of your lines has been keep an open mind. Where are you at at the moment with the soligibility saga.

Raising you've them obviously been one of your lines has been keep an open mind. Where are you at at the moment with the soligibility saga.

Yeah, look, I had a first a year you know, so I said, of have a year to look at it and where I stand. And the first thing is, you know my intentions for the The comment was is it fit for purpose still? You know currently in this model where we're sitting, you know, globally and internally, you know, one of my jobs is to make sure that the pathways is strong so we can keep it can do a flow of quality players enjoy the game and also want to come through and be professional rugby players and in aspiration. So we'll talk a little bit later on around the pathway stuff that we're doing. But look, look, I understand how important is and now I'm probably got more insight around the flexibility there is. There isn't the current regulations. You know, it is fit for purpose, There is a little bit of flexibility there. And I just want to give you an example. An open mind is someone like a Jody Barrett. You know, traditionally we've gone to Japan to play. And when Jordi came and said I've got an option for for for Leinster and another an opportunity, you know, we zoomed and we talked through all the practicalities. What would what would his season look like going north? Is it going to make him a better player, you know. And once we'd listened and you know, had majority of the six nations off, he'd had a break, he'd been well coached, you like, I just had to catch up with Jack Naber when I was over there and talked and sat down with him, and just how impressed he was as a as a player, as a man, how hard he worked on and off the field. That were just incredibly impressed. You know, we touched base with him. He's an on field coach to Jeordie, so he'd be leaning on and off the field. And that's a prime example of keeping open mind someone like himself going north. Okay, great, we're in a position now will he'll come back as a better player And ultimately that's what we want out of this. And he's just one example, you know, potentially more to come.

Yeah, look, I had a first a year you know, so I said, of have a year to look at it and where I stand. And the first thing is, you know my intentions for the The comment was is it fit for purpose still? You know currently in this model where we're sitting, you know, globally and internally, you know, one of my jobs is to make sure that the pathways is strong so we can keep it can do a flow of quality players enjoy the game and also want to come through and be professional rugby players and in aspiration. So we'll talk a little bit later on around the pathway stuff that we're doing. But look, look, I understand how important is and now I'm probably got more insight around the flexibility there is. There isn't the current regulations. You know, it is fit for purpose, There is a little bit of flexibility there. And I just want to give you an example. An open mind is someone like a Jody Barrett. You know, traditionally we've gone to Japan to play. And when Jordi came and said I've got an option for for for Leinster and another an opportunity, you know, we zoomed and we talked through all the practicalities. What would what would his season look like going north? Is it going to make him a better player, you know. And once we'd listened and you know, had majority of the six nations off, he'd had a break, he'd been well coached, you like, I just had to catch up with Jack Naber when I was over there and talked and sat down with him, and just how impressed he was as a as a player, as a man, how hard he worked on and off the field. That were just incredibly impressed. You know, we touched base with him. He's an on field coach to Jeordie, so he'd be leaning on and off the field. And that's a prime example of keeping open mind someone like himself going north. Okay, great, we're in a position now will he'll come back as a better player And ultimately that's what we want out of this. And he's just one example, you know, potentially more to come.

Do you see? You see more part actually of those sort of deals happening in the future.

Do you see? You see more part actually of those sort of deals happening in the future.

Yeah, yeah, look at what's worked, you know, look if at the essences. You know, we're still keeping the integrity of all our pathway programs. So a guy doesn't go away and play with picking people from overseas. They've earned the opportunity they've been loyal, they've done their time. They get to go away and then come back and he'll come back and you know he'll be a coach at the Canes again, is there is it's a great player player coach as we know and other players you know where they sit in their career. They have that opportunity to as well because.

Yeah, yeah, look at what's worked, you know, look if at the essences. You know, we're still keeping the integrity of all our pathway programs. So a guy doesn't go away and play with picking people from overseas. They've earned the opportunity they've been loyal, they've done their time. They get to go away and then come back and he'll come back and you know he'll be a coach at the Canes again, is there is it's a great player player coach as we know and other players you know where they sit in their career. They have that opportunity to as well because.

You look at South Africa obviously and they can pick whoever they want, whenever they want.

You look at South Africa obviously and they can pick whoever they want, whenever they want.

That wouldn't work for the All Blacks.

That wouldn't work for the All Blacks.

You don't think, well, one sort of thing I've learned and talk through it and you look at these stats and it suits their model. It seats their model for them where they currently are of you know, financially, where they sit with the current competitions in their players, so that there's model for us. We're in great shape. You know, we've got a great group of law or blacks and you know, super players that want to be all Blacks and young kids that want to be all Blacks and know that they're playing our country.

You don't think, well, one sort of thing I've learned and talk through it and you look at these stats and it suits their model. It seats their model for them where they currently are of you know, financially, where they sit with the current competitions in their players, so that there's model for us. We're in great shape. You know, we've got a great group of law or blacks and you know, super players that want to be all Blacks and young kids that want to be all Blacks and know that they're playing our country.

To get that opportunity, I.

To get that opportunity, I.

Mean, we've got to focus guys on what we think is best for New Zealand rugby night when there's always that's a beauty of the support. There's always comparisons and analysis is the different models, but we fundamentally believe this can work for New Zealand rugby and we are retaining majority of players and you know, whilst we might not have all the resource and all the money compared to some markets, we're working really hard around environments, you know, great coaching environments, great competitions, got virgin and competitions are going to get better and better. Grade five year calendar coming up in terms of what's possible around rugby in this part of the world with the Lions tours, the South Africa All Blacks concept, and we think super Rugby is going to get better and better. So focusing really hard on what always keep you a little bit on what's going on around the world, but focusing really hard on what we're doing as well.

Mean, we've got to focus guys on what we think is best for New Zealand rugby night when there's always that's a beauty of the support. There's always comparisons and analysis is the different models, but we fundamentally believe this can work for New Zealand rugby and we are retaining majority of players and you know, whilst we might not have all the resource and all the money compared to some markets, we're working really hard around environments, you know, great coaching environments, great competitions, got virgin and competitions are going to get better and better. Grade five year calendar coming up in terms of what's possible around rugby in this part of the world with the Lions tours, the South Africa All Blacks concept, and we think super Rugby is going to get better and better. So focusing really hard on what always keep you a little bit on what's going on around the world, but focusing really hard on what we're doing as well.

You mentioned the Jaudy Bear example. Yes, another one who you don't have access to, rich and more one a world class ten you know, well, I think you both you know, went up to Japan to meet with him at the back end of last year. I don't know the nature of those conversations, but obviously there was a desire to bring him home early. Why did he not come home early was as simple as couldn't reach terms with Tasheba financially or.

You mentioned the Jaudy Bear example. Yes, another one who you don't have access to, rich and more one a world class ten you know, well, I think you both you know, went up to Japan to meet with him at the back end of last year. I don't know the nature of those conversations, but obviously there was a desire to bring him home early. Why did he not come home early was as simple as couldn't reach terms with Tasheba financially or.

There's a lot of speculations around that. Last year wasn't the ELM.

There's a lot of speculations around that. Last year wasn't the ELM.

So look, I think clearly people understand there were some conversations through last year, but ultimately, you know, Richie's made a decision to work through to the obligations under his contract.

So look, I think clearly people understand there were some conversations through last year, but ultimately, you know, Richie's made a decision to work through to the obligations under his contract.

You know, we respect that and we're moving forward.

You know, we respect that and we're moving forward.

As we say, we're really clear on our eligibility rules and you know, we certainly always respect players that have left the All Blacks and are playing off shore, and there's always a degree of contact. You know that that happens, but that's good coaches and good good people doing their jobs probably and that happens a lot of level. That happens with players that are very much passed you know, their playing careers, and that that's just the nature of the black environment and all black families. So hey, look, you know we're clearly moving forward and got a lot of belief and the people coming through and the protocols were got in place.

As we say, we're really clear on our eligibility rules and you know, we certainly always respect players that have left the All Blacks and are playing off shore, and there's always a degree of contact. You know that that happens, but that's good coaches and good good people doing their jobs probably and that happens a lot of level. That happens with players that are very much passed you know, their playing careers, and that that's just the nature of the black environment and all black families. So hey, look, you know we're clearly moving forward and got a lot of belief and the people coming through and the protocols were got in place.

Scott Distill hope Richie will come back next year when his contract finishes and push for a place in the twenty twenty seven World cut.

Scott Distill hope Richie will come back next year when his contract finishes and push for a place in the twenty twenty seven World cut.

Yeah, look, all players, if you want all your best players available, you know, that's what it takes to win a Rugby World Cup. And you know you keep connected with all of them, doesn't matter and where they are at. You know, you still get message from from the old players now and again, chicking in and making sure. You know, Sam Kaine sat his time, but he's you know, he's a prime example. You know he checks it and making sure everything's right in the off season. But yeah, you just want your best players.

Yeah, look, all players, if you want all your best players available, you know, that's what it takes to win a Rugby World Cup. And you know you keep connected with all of them, doesn't matter and where they are at. You know, you still get message from from the old players now and again, chicking in and making sure. You know, Sam Kaine sat his time, but he's you know, he's a prime example. You know he checks it and making sure everything's right in the off season. But yeah, you just want your best players.

Saw Boden Baron and Damien McKenzie last year have that ten jersey? How important are they in this next three years for you as an All Blacks coach?

Saw Boden Baron and Damien McKenzie last year have that ten jersey? How important are they in this next three years for you as an All Blacks coach?

Critical?

Critical?

Look like I just you know b Mac, you know what a year that he had gave him plenty of opportunity, you know, just his ability to control the game with his boot. You know, I think the Irish game, how good was that? You know, the before he came on and kicked the ball from the sidelon to England to change the match. And then then he owned that game against Ireland, you know, and got picked in the World fifteen as a ten. And so it's impact off the bench as match management, his ability to lead the teams to being credible. And you've got Bode who's just evergreen, just kept going and so classy. He just got so much time. He's a game. There's a kicking game. Been awesome for US coaches. He's been great off field. So both of them compliment each other really well. And because they can pay ten and fifteen and you know, both have grad im packs off the bench are really really valuable to us.

Look like I just you know b Mac, you know what a year that he had gave him plenty of opportunity, you know, just his ability to control the game with his boot. You know, I think the Irish game, how good was that? You know, the before he came on and kicked the ball from the sidelon to England to change the match. And then then he owned that game against Ireland, you know, and got picked in the World fifteen as a ten. And so it's impact off the bench as match management, his ability to lead the teams to being credible. And you've got Bode who's just evergreen, just kept going and so classy. He just got so much time. He's a game. There's a kicking game. Been awesome for US coaches. He's been great off field. So both of them compliment each other really well. And because they can pay ten and fifteen and you know, both have grad im packs off the bench are really really valuable to us.

I think d makes off contract this year. Yeah, you're going down to the tron and offering them a race source or something.

I think d makes off contract this year. Yeah, you're going down to the tron and offering them a race source or something.

Keep him in the con for a minute.

Keep him in the con for a minute.

Oh look, you know he's he's a linebreaker. He's got that special ability to do something others don't, you know, every intention and work as hard as we possibly can. And they a player like him, you know, he's in that peak of his powers at twenty nine. He's he's learnt so much, he's mature and for sure we're on them.

Oh look, you know he's he's a linebreaker. He's got that special ability to do something others don't, you know, every intention and work as hard as we possibly can. And they a player like him, you know, he's in that peak of his powers at twenty nine. He's he's learnt so much, he's mature and for sure we're on them.

Yeah, no need for the DMO. We've got the breakdowns on sports Talk call ohight hundred News Talk Zip.

Yeah, no need for the DMO. We've got the breakdowns on sports Talk call ohight hundred News Talk Zip.

Seven one United Front The Here Scott Robinson or Black Coach and Mark Robinson the CEO of the All Blacks coming together as one, things have been a little smooth out. If you want to hear more on that and other issues in Rugby Rugby Direct podcast, Liam and Elliott have got that. You can hear the whole thing. Got a new b dot co dot m Z and you will find it all coming up next. Response to that from Gregor Paul, he's all and herald rugby writer. What he makes, the smoothing of the waters and what the future looks like when it comes to player eligibility. This is something that will not go away, and rightly so more it should will take your calls, oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty or your text nineteen ninet two z b ZB five ose texts and now I'd love to hear from you seven.

Seven one United Front The Here Scott Robinson or Black Coach and Mark Robinson the CEO of the All Blacks coming together as one, things have been a little smooth out. If you want to hear more on that and other issues in Rugby Rugby Direct podcast, Liam and Elliott have got that. You can hear the whole thing. Got a new b dot co dot m Z and you will find it all coming up next. Response to that from Gregor Paul, he's all and herald rugby writer. What he makes, the smoothing of the waters and what the future looks like when it comes to player eligibility. This is something that will not go away, and rightly so more it should will take your calls, oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty or your text nineteen ninet two z b ZB five ose texts and now I'd love to hear from you seven.

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Twenty five after seven Robinson and Robinson coming together with a Reby Direct podcast. I'm going to talk about all things rugby at that top level, including smoothing the waters around eligibility. Scott robertson playing right into that really wanted to have that look chased after Richie mul Wonga wants to see it change. No, no, no, so they can come together as one and look forward. Rig Paul took a listen to that interview. He is the new Zellant held rugby writer and a couple of them. He joins us now to take a look at what he heard. Good evening, Grigor, Good evening, Darcy. Interesting news today. But it looks like the two Robbos, or the Robert and the Robbo. It's Mark and of course Razor Ray have They're on the same page now around what happens with extracting players out of overseas contracts and having them play back here in the All Blacks. This is something that Razor was absolutely hot on. Looks like they've mended their ways.

Twenty five after seven Robinson and Robinson coming together with a Reby Direct podcast. I'm going to talk about all things rugby at that top level, including smoothing the waters around eligibility. Scott robertson playing right into that really wanted to have that look chased after Richie mul Wonga wants to see it change. No, no, no, so they can come together as one and look forward. Rig Paul took a listen to that interview. He is the new Zellant held rugby writer and a couple of them. He joins us now to take a look at what he heard. Good evening, Grigor, Good evening, Darcy. Interesting news today. But it looks like the two Robbos, or the Robert and the Robbo. It's Mark and of course Razor Ray have They're on the same page now around what happens with extracting players out of overseas contracts and having them play back here in the All Blacks. This is something that Razor was absolutely hot on. Looks like they've mended their ways.

Yeah, it looks like it.

Yeah, it looks like it.

I'm not buying it to be Frank, I just don't believe that you have a coach in Razor who spent what five six, seven years and Super Rugby looking at player trains, trying to hold onto his players at a crusaders level. He then had what did he have yet about six months notice that he was going to be the Oldlecks coach, So you know, he was appointed early. He had six months building up to that where he gave a lot of thought about what the right eligibility model might look like, where market trends were going, you know, what players were looking at from the contract. And he was absolutely adamant that the current eligibility laws were not fit for purpose. And this was in November December last year that he was still even more certain after coaching the Oblecks per year that they were not right. Now did the Rugby Union like the fact that their coach was publicly not aligned with their eligibility policy. Of course they didn't like that. So I suspect that what's happened to you is that Razor hasn't changed his mind at all. He's still very much of the view that the eligibility rules aren't quite right, but he has also realized that as the all black coach, he can't public they fight with his employer. He needs to be publicly aligned support their policy. He can badger them, he can advocate behind the scenes as much as he likes. He can tell them I don't believe it. But when they ask him and they say, well, we need you to be publicly aligned and tell the media that you are, then he's going to have to do that because that is how you know, that's how employment works start. So we all have to accept that your employer has a hold on you to some degree.

I'm not buying it to be Frank, I just don't believe that you have a coach in Razor who spent what five six, seven years and Super Rugby looking at player trains, trying to hold onto his players at a crusaders level. He then had what did he have yet about six months notice that he was going to be the Oldlecks coach, So you know, he was appointed early. He had six months building up to that where he gave a lot of thought about what the right eligibility model might look like, where market trends were going, you know, what players were looking at from the contract. And he was absolutely adamant that the current eligibility laws were not fit for purpose. And this was in November December last year that he was still even more certain after coaching the Oblecks per year that they were not right. Now did the Rugby Union like the fact that their coach was publicly not aligned with their eligibility policy. Of course they didn't like that. So I suspect that what's happened to you is that Razor hasn't changed his mind at all. He's still very much of the view that the eligibility rules aren't quite right, but he has also realized that as the all black coach, he can't public they fight with his employer. He needs to be publicly aligned support their policy. He can badger them, he can advocate behind the scenes as much as he likes. He can tell them I don't believe it. But when they ask him and they say, well, we need you to be publicly aligned and tell the media that you are, then he's going to have to do that because that is how you know, that's how employment works start. So we all have to accept that your employer has a hold on you to some degree.

Well, I've had that situation myself. You've got to understand.

Well, I've had that situation myself. You've got to understand.

See.

See.

Look, I'll agree with you because I'm my boss, but don't tell me how to think and all behind And that's understandable. So could you say stage managed? These guys both put up front, both put up in a couple of good rugby journalists for a Rugby direct to I suppose draw a line in the sands we are aligned, even though maybe they're not.

Look, I'll agree with you because I'm my boss, but don't tell me how to think and all behind And that's understandable. So could you say stage managed? These guys both put up front, both put up in a couple of good rugby journalists for a Rugby direct to I suppose draw a line in the sands we are aligned, even though maybe they're not.

Yeah, a necessary pr function because because given what Reason has said at the end of last year, given that the New Zealand Rugby Board has changed in its entirety in early February, this issue would become If nothing was said, it would continue to fester, wouldn't it. Media like you and I would continue to puking pride and ask questions about what's HRAs we're thinking now. So I think a smart pr move by New Zealand Rugby to get Raiser to publicly align, try and kill the issue as a media topic, try and just put it to bed. So as France had come in in July, they don't want any kind of discussion around peripheral topics around eligibility, so that's why they've done this.

Yeah, a necessary pr function because because given what Reason has said at the end of last year, given that the New Zealand Rugby Board has changed in its entirety in early February, this issue would become If nothing was said, it would continue to fester, wouldn't it. Media like you and I would continue to puking pride and ask questions about what's HRAs we're thinking now. So I think a smart pr move by New Zealand Rugby to get Raiser to publicly align, try and kill the issue as a media topic, try and just put it to bed. So as France had come in in July, they don't want any kind of discussion around peripheral topics around eligibility, so that's why they've done this.

But this is leaked to the longer this has gone on, it's like the boy with the finger and the dike and it's going to swallow them whole. But they also don't want to open a Pandora's box. So it's a very delicate balance they have. And if you think for a second the media are going to go away, well that's not going to happen, isn't it, Because we can not necessarily see the future. But things change, and they change in a hurry, and you've got to be cognizant of that.

But this is leaked to the longer this has gone on, it's like the boy with the finger and the dike and it's going to swallow them whole. But they also don't want to open a Pandora's box. So it's a very delicate balance they have. And if you think for a second the media are going to go away, well that's not going to happen, isn't it, Because we can not necessarily see the future. But things change, and they change in a hurry, and you've got to be cognizant of that.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Well, look, I guess people could argue that the player market trends haven't necessarily changed overlay dramatically on the broad picture basis that there are there are more, there is more money and more opportunity overseas for New Zealand's best players. The money they can earn overseas continues to be greater than the money they can earn here. That's never really changed from the first days of professionalism, but I think it's become a little bit more nuanced than that now because you know, Japan is the game changer in my view, because these guys are are offering at times quite significant amounts of money. We're talking sort of one million, two million dollar contracts. They're building a level of credibility in Japan in terms of the quality of the rugby. It's backed by massive corporations, so it's got a sustainable financial model. Toyota are going to continue to fund the rugby team forever because that's part of their corporate culture and their court of conduct almost or their charter. Is what I'm trying to say, is to punt money back into sport, to produce better people and to engage with the community. So it's all viable and there's a lot of people gravitating to Japan and the power of that in three to four years time will be significantly more than it is not to your point and the ability of Japanese clubs to lure New Zealand's best players over there with the lifestyle, with the quality of rugby and the money on offer, it will be very difficult for New Zealand to stop more and more players from going there.

Well, look, I guess people could argue that the player market trends haven't necessarily changed overlay dramatically on the broad picture basis that there are there are more, there is more money and more opportunity overseas for New Zealand's best players. The money they can earn overseas continues to be greater than the money they can earn here. That's never really changed from the first days of professionalism, but I think it's become a little bit more nuanced than that now because you know, Japan is the game changer in my view, because these guys are are offering at times quite significant amounts of money. We're talking sort of one million, two million dollar contracts. They're building a level of credibility in Japan in terms of the quality of the rugby. It's backed by massive corporations, so it's got a sustainable financial model. Toyota are going to continue to fund the rugby team forever because that's part of their corporate culture and their court of conduct almost or their charter. Is what I'm trying to say, is to punt money back into sport, to produce better people and to engage with the community. So it's all viable and there's a lot of people gravitating to Japan and the power of that in three to four years time will be significantly more than it is not to your point and the ability of Japanese clubs to lure New Zealand's best players over there with the lifestyle, with the quality of rugby and the money on offer, it will be very difficult for New Zealand to stop more and more players from going there.

But that's one New Zealand rugby. I suppose cozying art Worth Japanese rugby and how that actually works because it is going to happen, but their style of rugby, and I suppose the players when they come back the state they're in, it's not like they've been hammered by French Fords and anger irishmen when they're over there. It actually sits quite nicely within the remit of New Zealand rugby. This is the first hole, isn't it.

But that's one New Zealand rugby. I suppose cozying art Worth Japanese rugby and how that actually works because it is going to happen, but their style of rugby, and I suppose the players when they come back the state they're in, it's not like they've been hammered by French Fords and anger irishmen when they're over there. It actually sits quite nicely within the remit of New Zealand rugby. This is the first hole, isn't it.

Yeah, it does, and timing aligns as well. So that's the other really important factor here is that the season, the Japanese season kind of runs can currently with Super Rugby, which means that you're not asking guys to play round the clock the way that the South Africans currently are because they are a Southern Hemisphere country locked into Southern Hemisphere International program, but they are effectively a Northern Hemisphere nation in terms of the club competitions that they play in, which means their players are going round and round and round. They never get a break and they're going to blow up at some point. Japan is different because you can allow guys in New Zealand to go and play in Japan the season runs de Zembra. To me, they can come home, they can rest and recover for a few weeks and they're good to go, match hard and match fit, ready to play in July. The question, and this is really at the heart of the whole issue, is does New Zealand rugby feel that if you let a handful of guys go and play in Japan and keep eligible for the All Blacks, will the Japanese system have kept them at a level in terms of their skills, their sharpness the game, understanding, the readiness to develop and improve. Will it be strong enough to do that or will it be too much of a step down? A lot of this is about control in that sense a see, because New Zealand don't trust necessarily other countries to develop and look after their players in the same way that New Zealand thinks it can do well.

Yeah, it does, and timing aligns as well. So that's the other really important factor here is that the season, the Japanese season kind of runs can currently with Super Rugby, which means that you're not asking guys to play round the clock the way that the South Africans currently are because they are a Southern Hemisphere country locked into Southern Hemisphere International program, but they are effectively a Northern Hemisphere nation in terms of the club competitions that they play in, which means their players are going round and round and round. They never get a break and they're going to blow up at some point. Japan is different because you can allow guys in New Zealand to go and play in Japan the season runs de Zembra. To me, they can come home, they can rest and recover for a few weeks and they're good to go, match hard and match fit, ready to play in July. The question, and this is really at the heart of the whole issue, is does New Zealand rugby feel that if you let a handful of guys go and play in Japan and keep eligible for the All Blacks, will the Japanese system have kept them at a level in terms of their skills, their sharpness the game, understanding, the readiness to develop and improve. Will it be strong enough to do that or will it be too much of a step down? A lot of this is about control in that sense a see, because New Zealand don't trust necessarily other countries to develop and look after their players in the same way that New Zealand thinks it can do well.

That's why they've got to have that alignment. And as you talk to me off air about this, they've got coaches in Japan that do align with what New Zealand Rugby want and can hopefully lift those levels. So like, see you're Steve Hansen, your Robbie Deans and so on and so forth. So they've got that connection or is that too much?

That's why they've got to have that alignment. And as you talk to me off air about this, they've got coaches in Japan that do align with what New Zealand Rugby want and can hopefully lift those levels. So like, see you're Steve Hansen, your Robbie Deans and so on and so forth. So they've got that connection or is that too much?

Now?

Now?

Look, these guys have all coached at international level, They've all got relationships with New Zealand Rugby and the people within New Zealand Rugby. Like Razor and Steve Hanson known each other forever, so and Razor and Todd Blackadder have known each other forever. He's another coach up there in Japan. So managing these relationships, you know, having Razor if he's the All Blacks coach, go up to Japan, meet with these guys, watch a few games, talk to them, you know, get a sense of how players are tracking, trending. This is this is what happens everywhere else in the world. Yeah, this is what Razzie Rasmus has to do on a permanent basis because his players are all over the place. This is what Scotland have to do because their players are all over the place, you know. So it's not that difficult or uncommon for an international coach to be asked to monitor international club programs to see how his players are training and tracking, you know. So Africa are doing that quite easily, so I don't think it would be that difficult for New Zealand, and given the KEYWI influence in Japan, and the quality of coaching in Japan is actually probably in my view, perhaps higher at some clubs than it is at super rugby level in New Zealand. Then the arguments about oh, well, we're worried about the quality, We're worried about the exposure to poorer training, poorer medical staff, or the kind of peripheral elements that go into high performance package. My understanding is that Japan is world class in many of those facets, so some of these fears are not real anymore.

Look, these guys have all coached at international level, They've all got relationships with New Zealand Rugby and the people within New Zealand Rugby. Like Razor and Steve Hanson known each other forever, so and Razor and Todd Blackadder have known each other forever. He's another coach up there in Japan. So managing these relationships, you know, having Razor if he's the All Blacks coach, go up to Japan, meet with these guys, watch a few games, talk to them, you know, get a sense of how players are tracking, trending. This is this is what happens everywhere else in the world. Yeah, this is what Razzie Rasmus has to do on a permanent basis because his players are all over the place. This is what Scotland have to do because their players are all over the place, you know. So it's not that difficult or uncommon for an international coach to be asked to monitor international club programs to see how his players are training and tracking, you know. So Africa are doing that quite easily, so I don't think it would be that difficult for New Zealand, and given the KEYWI influence in Japan, and the quality of coaching in Japan is actually probably in my view, perhaps higher at some clubs than it is at super rugby level in New Zealand. Then the arguments about oh, well, we're worried about the quality, We're worried about the exposure to poorer training, poorer medical staff, or the kind of peripheral elements that go into high performance package. My understanding is that Japan is world class in many of those facets, so some of these fears are not real anymore.

What happens with the stretch the rubber band, if you will, around the seventy test cap mark. That looks like that's a standard for players when they can negotiate that time off, if you will, with a four year contract with the Japanese, that stretch further as have come down to sixty, they have different laws different rules, maybe dealing with Japanese clubs as opposed to overseas clubs in the Northern Hemisphere in Europe in order to keep that control.

What happens with the stretch the rubber band, if you will, around the seventy test cap mark. That looks like that's a standard for players when they can negotiate that time off, if you will, with a four year contract with the Japanese, that stretch further as have come down to sixty, they have different laws different rules, maybe dealing with Japanese clubs as opposed to overseas clubs in the Northern Hemisphere in Europe in order to keep that control.

Yeah, that's a good question. I mean I'd answer it like this and say that New Zealand argues, well, let me answer your question first. I'm not a fan of that seventy test match scenario because quite often it leads to special circumstances coming up because they haven't rigidly stuck to that. Jordy Barrett doesn't have seventy test caps, by the way, from memory, and he's in Ireland. Patrick Tupeloso didn't have any when he signed and got sabbatical deal to go to Japan. Richie Muwanga, for example, if they could have got to him and said, hey, mat what about you do two years in Japan. We'll call you know, will allow you to be eligible in between seasons and then eligible when you come back home, they would have access to him right now. And you can say, well, that's not part of their eligibility policy. But they've always been willing to make exemptions and exceptions depending on circumstance, which is why I don't really like about the rule is because it ultimately feels that they will override it on any given occasion if they feel a player is worth it, and that sets I feel, a really bad precedent and a bad example, because the whole reason they don't want, you know, guys to be eligible full time from overseas is they're talking about the integrity of pathway. They want to encourage people to stay. They want they want that to be authentic. The way that they set the whole program up. Everybody kind of knows that if you, you know, if you make a strong enough argument and if circumstances fever you like there's no other number ten around and you start saying, hey, I might disappear and go offshore as well as a bit of leverage, they will probably bend and buckle and give you what you want.

Yeah, that's a good question. I mean I'd answer it like this and say that New Zealand argues, well, let me answer your question first. I'm not a fan of that seventy test match scenario because quite often it leads to special circumstances coming up because they haven't rigidly stuck to that. Jordy Barrett doesn't have seventy test caps, by the way, from memory, and he's in Ireland. Patrick Tupeloso didn't have any when he signed and got sabbatical deal to go to Japan. Richie Muwanga, for example, if they could have got to him and said, hey, mat what about you do two years in Japan. We'll call you know, will allow you to be eligible in between seasons and then eligible when you come back home, they would have access to him right now. And you can say, well, that's not part of their eligibility policy. But they've always been willing to make exemptions and exceptions depending on circumstance, which is why I don't really like about the rule is because it ultimately feels that they will override it on any given occasion if they feel a player is worth it, and that sets I feel, a really bad precedent and a bad example, because the whole reason they don't want, you know, guys to be eligible full time from overseas is they're talking about the integrity of pathway. They want to encourage people to stay. They want they want that to be authentic. The way that they set the whole program up. Everybody kind of knows that if you, you know, if you make a strong enough argument and if circumstances fever you like there's no other number ten around and you start saying, hey, I might disappear and go offshore as well as a bit of leverage, they will probably bend and buckle and give you what you want.

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Bring a Paul and you said on Herald Rugby scribe there talking about the together as a unit. That's one of Robinson and Robertson looking at player eligibility. This this will never go away. I feel sorry for new Zell and Rugby in the fact that they've got to be elastic in their thinking, otherwise they will lose some of their top players. But if there was a hard and fast, black and white rule, maybe it'll just make it easier all around. Won't go away, won't change. I do like the way that Gregor was leaning toward. Will maybe we just become Japanese rugby becomes New Zealand rugby in a roundabout kind of way. Yes, they've got stability, they've got the money, they appear to have the facilities. Maybe if you want to do it, do it that way, but have a hard and fast rule or just go on a case by case basis your thoughts on one hundred eighty ten eighty A Paddy High.

Bring a Paul and you said on Herald Rugby scribe there talking about the together as a unit. That's one of Robinson and Robertson looking at player eligibility. This this will never go away. I feel sorry for new Zell and Rugby in the fact that they've got to be elastic in their thinking, otherwise they will lose some of their top players. But if there was a hard and fast, black and white rule, maybe it'll just make it easier all around. Won't go away, won't change. I do like the way that Gregor was leaning toward. Will maybe we just become Japanese rugby becomes New Zealand rugby in a roundabout kind of way. Yes, they've got stability, they've got the money, they appear to have the facilities. Maybe if you want to do it, do it that way, but have a hard and fast rule or just go on a case by case basis your thoughts on one hundred eighty ten eighty A Paddy High.

Say, mate, I'm a tell a Taranaki voy of Marke Robinton, and I think they should let the gates open.

Say, mate, I'm a tell a Taranaki voy of Marke Robinton, and I think they should let the gates open.

Completely completely open, I completely open.

Completely completely open, I completely open.

Yeah, and don't put any restrictions on players who want to go and make more money. If you want to come back and you are able and you get picked for the team, that's it.

Yeah, and don't put any restrictions on players who want to go and make more money. If you want to come back and you are able and you get picked for the team, that's it.

So no returns. But they can't. Sorry, I just I just lost what you were saying there, Patty. You're hard and fast as what.

So no returns. But they can't. Sorry, I just I just lost what you were saying there, Patty. You're hard and fast as what.

To leave the gates open if they want to go over and make some money for their family or whatever and future leave the selectors to select and pick the team. It's not so much loyalty, it's about ability grunted.

To leave the gates open if they want to go over and make some money for their family or whatever and future leave the selectors to select and pick the team. It's not so much loyalty, it's about ability grunted.

But I suppose what they're worried about padding thanks for your callers, that it will erode the strength of New Zealand and all black rugby people won't stay, they won't support the game from that grassroots and that pathway level, which is what they want for the continued well being and strength. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty. This is going to go on forever. This conversation and as it should too, likes a very very important to New Zealand rugby. I think they've got to go hard and fast on this and say, look, if you want to go by all means go because whenever there's a space at the top where there's a gap, it will be filled by the next guy's coming through. And that's what you need. And a couple of guys at the top of the tree deciding when they're coming and going. I don't think that's healthy for.

But I suppose what they're worried about padding thanks for your callers, that it will erode the strength of New Zealand and all black rugby people won't stay, they won't support the game from that grassroots and that pathway level, which is what they want for the continued well being and strength. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty. This is going to go on forever. This conversation and as it should too, likes a very very important to New Zealand rugby. I think they've got to go hard and fast on this and say, look, if you want to go by all means go because whenever there's a space at the top where there's a gap, it will be filled by the next guy's coming through. And that's what you need. And a couple of guys at the top of the tree deciding when they're coming and going. I don't think that's healthy for.

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We bought sports Talk here on Newstalks. AB Eligibility You want to hear more from Rugby Direct became Mark Robinson. That's Scott Robertson on with Elliott Smith and Liam and Napier News Talks, AB, Dot, Coda and Z. You'll find that podcast. Back to the phones we go, Dan. Good evening to you, sir, Hello.

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I was just talking about just thinking about rugby eligibility for going overseas and chasing the dollars. I'm not very well sort of skilled or knowledgeable with administration of rugby, but I do enjoy watching the All Blacks and pretty proud to watch them as well. I'm just wondering whether I'm having like a fifty test sort of eligibility. I guess once you do fifty tests, you're then able to go over to Japan or France and chase the big dollars and also be eligible for the All Blacks. And whether something like that might work. It would give the players a focus to try and reach fifty tests. It would also protect the domestic game, because you know a lot of the players will be milling around to try and get into the All Blacks and get their fifty tests up. Once you get to fifty tests, you know you can then go overseas and play, but also still be eligible for the All Blacks. Just an idea at.

I was just talking about just thinking about rugby eligibility for going overseas and chasing the dollars. I'm not very well sort of skilled or knowledgeable with administration of rugby, but I do enjoy watching the All Blacks and pretty proud to watch them as well. I'm just wondering whether I'm having like a fifty test sort of eligibility. I guess once you do fifty tests, you're then able to go over to Japan or France and chase the big dollars and also be eligible for the All Blacks. And whether something like that might work. It would give the players a focus to try and reach fifty tests. It would also protect the domestic game, because you know a lot of the players will be milling around to try and get into the All Blacks and get their fifty tests up. Once you get to fifty tests, you know you can then go overseas and play, but also still be eligible for the All Blacks. Just an idea at.

The moment, they've got a situation that's I don't believe carved in stone anywhere, but the agents and the players are aware the cutoff is around about seventy tests, and once you get to seventy tests, have you sign a long term contract. Things that are they'll let you go away, They'll let you disappear and go and play for a while. We're going to have a holiday and a couple of teen to lie down and then come back again. So that's the vague line that they're dealing with at the moment. I suppose a lot of us like to see that more concrete, but they've got to be able to be elastic with their concerns otherwise they could lose some good players, right.

The moment, they've got a situation that's I don't believe carved in stone anywhere, but the agents and the players are aware the cutoff is around about seventy tests, and once you get to seventy tests, have you sign a long term contract. Things that are they'll let you go away, They'll let you disappear and go and play for a while. We're going to have a holiday and a couple of teen to lie down and then come back again. So that's the vague line that they're dealing with at the moment. I suppose a lot of us like to see that more concrete, but they've got to be able to be elastic with their concerns otherwise they could lose some good players, right.

Yeah, that's right.

Yeah, that's right.

And I think once you do fifty tests, you know it, then become very good, very skilled. I mean a lot of players now are getting to a well, I shouldn't say a lot, but a few are getting to one hundred tests, and I think you know the group that are in between that fifty to one hundred tests, you know, they are the leaders of the group. They are the ones that are very skilled. The are the ones that also pass on a lot of knowledge to the to the junior players. If you like coming true, and it's only fair that they do go away and earn some big dollars for their skill set and giving them one hundred percent eligibility to come back and trial for the all blacks, I think it's really acceptable.

And I think once you do fifty tests, you know it, then become very good, very skilled. I mean a lot of players now are getting to a well, I shouldn't say a lot, but a few are getting to one hundred tests, and I think you know the group that are in between that fifty to one hundred tests, you know, they are the leaders of the group. They are the ones that are very skilled. The are the ones that also pass on a lot of knowledge to the to the junior players. If you like coming true, and it's only fair that they do go away and earn some big dollars for their skill set and giving them one hundred percent eligibility to come back and trial for the all blacks, I think it's really acceptable.

I think though it's at their risk. This is the main thing. You go away and do that. We are not going to necessarily pick you. You leave under your own steam. And if thing's going well and you're playing good and the coach wants to look at you, fantastic if not, no guarantees, which means the next level coming through. Know that these guys aren't going to hold a mortgage on their positions just because they've played fifty sixty test matches. You can't give them too much strength in that position because they're coming to the end of their careers right.

I think though it's at their risk. This is the main thing. You go away and do that. We are not going to necessarily pick you. You leave under your own steam. And if thing's going well and you're playing good and the coach wants to look at you, fantastic if not, no guarantees, which means the next level coming through. Know that these guys aren't going to hold a mortgage on their positions just because they've played fifty sixty test matches. You can't give them too much strength in that position because they're coming to the end of their careers right.

Well, the end of their careers are around one hundred tests now some of them and so you know, if you look after your body, and I mean a lot of them are, then you know the ability to go off and play for France and all the French teams and play for the Japanese but then come back and also you know, get into an all Black trial and get into the All Blacks. I think it gives people a real or gives players a real goal to get that fifty you know, half a century of tests, and then there's the money, and so a lot of players will be really hungry to get to fifty because after fifty is the golden lining if.

Well, the end of their careers are around one hundred tests now some of them and so you know, if you look after your body, and I mean a lot of them are, then you know the ability to go off and play for France and all the French teams and play for the Japanese but then come back and also you know, get into an all Black trial and get into the All Blacks. I think it gives people a real or gives players a real goal to get that fifty you know, half a century of tests, and then there's the money, and so a lot of players will be really hungry to get to fifty because after fifty is the golden lining if.

You like, there's the thing though, but you don't want to get to and Dan, thanks for your call. We've got Ronkey joining it shortly. You don't want a situation where they're all running for a particular number and then when they get their number, I can do it. I want now they No one can win in this. It's really difficult. I suppose the most important thing he said on rugby is looking after the structure beneath, so players know or young players coming through that there is a future is here in New Zealand and we don't lose all of our best players overseas checking a rig though not sure. It's eleven and a half away from eight. Wrong Key batting coach out of the black Caps to join us next.

You like, there's the thing though, but you don't want to get to and Dan, thanks for your call. We've got Ronkey joining it shortly. You don't want a situation where they're all running for a particular number and then when they get their number, I can do it. I want now they No one can win in this. It's really difficult. I suppose the most important thing he said on rugby is looking after the structure beneath, so players know or young players coming through that there is a future is here in New Zealand and we don't lose all of our best players overseas checking a rig though not sure. It's eleven and a half away from eight. Wrong Key batting coach out of the black Caps to join us next.

We never.

We never.

Were never se fifty one.

Were never se fifty one.

Sports talk on news talks. There would be quite the display into needing for the black Caps. They can take twenty eighth between them and Pakistan, comfortable enough victory in the end, and at the start, well, it could have been an absolute slaughter. Ronkey, the batting coach joins us. Now, what did you say to those guys to start off with Luke? Because there was a stunner of an opener? What have they hit? Ten sixers and four fours and a handful of overs.

Sports talk on news talks. There would be quite the display into needing for the black Caps. They can take twenty eighth between them and Pakistan, comfortable enough victory in the end, and at the start, well, it could have been an absolute slaughter. Ronkey, the batting coach joins us. Now, what did you say to those guys to start off with Luke? Because there was a stunner of an opener? What have they hit? Ten sixers and four fours and a handful of overs.

I didn't have to say anything. Actually, those guys are naturally aggressive anyway, so obviously the way they did all yeah, all those six especially after a maiden to start, I don't think anyone was quite expecting it to go the way it did, I guess with all those sixes. But the guys played beautifully.

I didn't have to say anything. Actually, those guys are naturally aggressive anyway, so obviously the way they did all yeah, all those six especially after a maiden to start, I don't think anyone was quite expecting it to go the way it did, I guess with all those sixes. But the guys played beautifully.

But they had the freedom to do that. They were given that on presuming because it was a short game to only fifteen overs you've got to make hay right suns shining.

But they had the freedom to do that. They were given that on presuming because it was a short game to only fifteen overs you've got to make hay right suns shining.

Exactly even if the sun's not shining. So we're definitely yeah. I think guys have got that freedom to play their style of cricket and at the moment it's working beautifully.

Exactly even if the sun's not shining. So we're definitely yeah. I think guys have got that freedom to play their style of cricket and at the moment it's working beautifully.

Is this just a theory that you're running right the way through the whole series because you've got some of your top men are not there, they're playing overseas. You've got not the next tier because they'd be disrespectful to one of these players who are top tier players. But I think given an opportunity to say, look, make it count, shows what you've got.

Is this just a theory that you're running right the way through the whole series because you've got some of your top men are not there, they're playing overseas. You've got not the next tier because they'd be disrespectful to one of these players who are top tier players. But I think given an opportunity to say, look, make it count, shows what you've got.

It's actually just making sure they go out and be themselves. That's the biggest thing. I think. Sometimes any player sort of gets an opportunity and they want to do more than they really need to, and and that can sometimes make a little bit harder on them on themselves to sort of put performances on the board. So as long as we can keep giving the same message about each player's picked for a reason and that sort of stuff, and they can go out and play their style of credit because that's what gets them to this stage and gets them doing what they do in their careers. It's making sure they believe that and remember that as much as possible and go out there. Yeah, and let's just let things unfold.

It's actually just making sure they go out and be themselves. That's the biggest thing. I think. Sometimes any player sort of gets an opportunity and they want to do more than they really need to, and and that can sometimes make a little bit harder on them on themselves to sort of put performances on the board. So as long as we can keep giving the same message about each player's picked for a reason and that sort of stuff, and they can go out and play their style of credit because that's what gets them to this stage and gets them doing what they do in their careers. It's making sure they believe that and remember that as much as possible and go out there. Yeah, and let's just let things unfold.

You get to the end of four overs, you're fifty without loss. Conversations change around what you want to achieve or presuming what you're saying. Nah, just carry on.

You get to the end of four overs, you're fifty without loss. Conversations change around what you want to achieve or presuming what you're saying. Nah, just carry on.

You guys are going fine exactly, that's the thing, and the other ones out there in the middle doing it. So it's like, well, there's no need to send out a message, and so I guess muddle up people's minds because then all of a sudden they might think something different or or it might just things have become unclear. So it's like, well, just let them do them and the other ones in the action so they know what they're up to.

You guys are going fine exactly, that's the thing, and the other ones out there in the middle doing it. So it's like, well, there's no need to send out a message, and so I guess muddle up people's minds because then all of a sudden they might think something different or or it might just things have become unclear. So it's like, well, just let them do them and the other ones in the action so they know what they're up to.

So all those runs you win by five wickets eleven balls remaining. Was that tighter than you'd like?

So all those runs you win by five wickets eleven balls remaining. Was that tighter than you'd like?

No, not at all. That's the game of creckit. You expect if you're going to n T twenty credit, you expect the opposition to have some good periods as well, and they're allowed to take some wickets and do their thing. But again, it was still it was a comfortable game for the guys that had an awesome job with the ball as well, to keep taking wickets and restrict Pakistan and then for our guys to go out and back the way they did to jip runs off. It's always what we're after.

No, not at all. That's the game of creckit. You expect if you're going to n T twenty credit, you expect the opposition to have some good periods as well, and they're allowed to take some wickets and do their thing. But again, it was still it was a comfortable game for the guys that had an awesome job with the ball as well, to keep taking wickets and restrict Pakistan and then for our guys to go out and back the way they did to jip runs off. It's always what we're after.

Next, what changes for the next three sorry five T twenty So I'm presuming using this as an opportunity to rotate around the guys have a crack and we've see much change ahead of T twenty number three.

Next, what changes for the next three sorry five T twenty So I'm presuming using this as an opportunity to rotate around the guys have a crack and we've see much change ahead of T twenty number three.

I'm not one hundred percent sure, but I think a lot of the stuff is more around sort of bowlers and loads and just checking to see how they're traveling after I guess a busy sort of champions trophy stent and then coming back home pretty quickly into another series. So are we making sure that that the guys are still ticking the way they need to tick and and getting through the overs that need to be able to get through. And from a batting point of view, it's just the guys keep ticking along. They're doing a great job, so just keep backing with what they're doing.