Welcome everyone to SI Media with Jimmy Trayna. Thank you so much for listening. We have a great show this week. We have a radio legend, Dan Patrick on the podcast, and then of course we have Train of Thoughts with my buddy Salakata. Before we get to it, let me just remind you if you've missed any recent episodes of s I Media with Jimmy Trainey, you need to go into the archives, give them a listen, subscribe to the podcast, rate and review it on Apple. Most importantly, though, subscribe to the podcast. We had Bill Simmons from the Ring around last week. We had Joe Buck and troyik been on the podcast two weeks ago, so if you missed those, give them a listen, and again subscribe to SI Media with Jimmy Trayna. And like I said, this week we've got Dan Patrick talking about his radio career, the state of radio, get into some stuff about concerts which was really interesting, the art of doing an interview, so Dan was excellent, and then of course a bunch of topics with Salakata in the Train of Thoughts segment. All right, let's get to it. Dan Patrick followed by Salacata and train of thoughts. All right here right now on SI Media with Jimmy Trainer all right joining me now, second time he's been on the SI Media podcast with me. Always appreciate it, radio legend, former sports and our host does a bunch of other things. Author which we've got to discuss, Dan Patrick, Dan, how are you today?

Welcome everyone to SI Media with Jimmy Trayna. Thank you so much for listening. We have a great show this week. We have a radio legend, Dan Patrick on the podcast, and then of course we have Train of Thoughts with my buddy Salakata. Before we get to it, let me just remind you if you've missed any recent episodes of s I Media with Jimmy Trainey, you need to go into the archives, give them a listen, subscribe to the podcast, rate and review it on Apple. Most importantly, though, subscribe to the podcast. We had Bill Simmons from the Ring around last week. We had Joe Buck and troyik been on the podcast two weeks ago, so if you missed those, give them a listen, and again subscribe to SI Media with Jimmy Trayna. And like I said, this week we've got Dan Patrick talking about his radio career, the state of radio, get into some stuff about concerts which was really interesting, the art of doing an interview, so Dan was excellent, and then of course a bunch of topics with Salakata in the Train of Thoughts segment. All right, let's get to it. Dan Patrick followed by Salacata and train of thoughts. All right here right now on SI Media with Jimmy Trainer all right joining me now, second time he's been on the SI Media podcast with me. Always appreciate it, radio legend, former sports and our host does a bunch of other things. Author which we've got to discuss, Dan Patrick, Dan, how are you today?

Jimmy speak to a killer.

Jimmy speak to a killer.

Glad to hear that. And Dan does have a new book out, The Occasionally Accurate Annals of Football, which you wrote with Joel Cohen from The Simpsons, and we'll talk about that. I wanted to get into a few other topics. First, let's start with this. You read in July you signed a new four year deal to stay on doing your radio show and the simulcast on Peacock, and then in the middle of all that said you're done in four years, You're retiring, it's all over. It's only been a few months since then. But is that still the planned? Is it in stone You're gone in four years? No one seems to ever leave the radio, so I wanted to catch up with you on that topic first.

Glad to hear that. And Dan does have a new book out, The Occasionally Accurate Annals of Football, which you wrote with Joel Cohen from The Simpsons, and we'll talk about that. I wanted to get into a few other topics. First, let's start with this. You read in July you signed a new four year deal to stay on doing your radio show and the simulcast on Peacock, and then in the middle of all that said you're done in four years, You're retiring, it's all over. It's only been a few months since then. But is that still the planned? Is it in stone You're gone in four years? No one seems to ever leave the radio, so I wanted to catch up with you on that topic first.

Yeah, I think day to day that I set an end date, an expiration date, and all adhere to that. I think it'll be Christmas Eve in four years. That'll be the last show that I do. And if I do some form of a weekly monthly podcast, maybe something like that. But I still kind of put it in writing, put it on the radio, and I'll go out probably.

Yeah, I think day to day that I set an end date, an expiration date, and all adhere to that. I think it'll be Christmas Eve in four years. That'll be the last show that I do. And if I do some form of a weekly monthly podcast, maybe something like that. But I still kind of put it in writing, put it on the radio, and I'll go out probably.

In four years, little over four years.

In four years, little over four years.

Number One reason why you want to end it in four years at the end of twenty twenty seven.

Number One reason why you want to end it in four years at the end of twenty twenty seven.

I want to make sure that I have enough energy to do it every single day. It's three hours, it's live. I'd like to think that we do it as well, if not better, than any other show out there. I want to continue those standards, and four years gives my guys a chance to start planning if they want to do something else. I want to be laughed with, not at I want to make sure I'm doing it at at a high level or what I perceived to be a high level. And I think I'll be towing up to the line in four years.

I want to make sure that I have enough energy to do it every single day. It's three hours, it's live. I'd like to think that we do it as well, if not better, than any other show out there. I want to continue those standards, and four years gives my guys a chance to start planning if they want to do something else. I want to be laughed with, not at I want to make sure I'm doing it at at a high level or what I perceived to be a high level. And I think I'll be towing up to the line in four years.

So in doing a little research for the interview, and let me just say, it's always a pain doing research to interview for you because you share the name of a Texas Lieutenant Governor, Dan Patrick. So when you google Dan Patrick, it's a big disaster just so it's a problem. But I had when you announced that in July, I had written something about it and totally forgot because I write every day, so I can't remember what I write and the memory goes as you get older. And I wrote at the time, I hope you're not going to hang it up, just because at that time you'll be seventy or seventy one years old. To me, if you still got it, don't let age be a factor. I'd love for you to comment on that.

So in doing a little research for the interview, and let me just say, it's always a pain doing research to interview for you because you share the name of a Texas Lieutenant Governor, Dan Patrick. So when you google Dan Patrick, it's a big disaster just so it's a problem. But I had when you announced that in July, I had written something about it and totally forgot because I write every day, so I can't remember what I write and the memory goes as you get older. And I wrote at the time, I hope you're not going to hang it up, just because at that time you'll be seventy or seventy one years old. To me, if you still got it, don't let age be a factor. I'd love for you to comment on that.

Yeah, age wasn't the factor as much as just being healthy, being able to do it, have the energy, have the passion to do it. But I've enjoyed this more in the last fifteen years than I enjoyed seventeen years at Sports Center. I had a window at Sports Center when I was working with Keith Oberman where we were doing something different that nobody else had done, and there was enjoyment in that. It was fun, it was live, it was at eleven o'clock Eastern every night. There was a tune in factor, there was a buzz about it. And you know, I feel this way. I feel energized by doing that. But you know, I think when you're trying to do it at a certain level. People tune in and have those expectations, and I want to make sure that I'm doing it and having that energy. All listen to shows from previous years. I just want to make sure I match that energy and that enthusiasm, that excitement, because if not, then it'll feel or sound the way it did the last couple of years. I did Sports Center when I didn't have that energy, and I wasn't as excited, and I didn't think it was anywhere near what quality of a broadcast I should be doing, and that was part of the reason why I left Sports Center.

Yeah, age wasn't the factor as much as just being healthy, being able to do it, have the energy, have the passion to do it. But I've enjoyed this more in the last fifteen years than I enjoyed seventeen years at Sports Center. I had a window at Sports Center when I was working with Keith Oberman where we were doing something different that nobody else had done, and there was enjoyment in that. It was fun, it was live, it was at eleven o'clock Eastern every night. There was a tune in factor, there was a buzz about it. And you know, I feel this way. I feel energized by doing that. But you know, I think when you're trying to do it at a certain level. People tune in and have those expectations, and I want to make sure that I'm doing it and having that energy. All listen to shows from previous years. I just want to make sure I match that energy and that enthusiasm, that excitement, because if not, then it'll feel or sound the way it did the last couple of years. I did Sports Center when I didn't have that energy, and I wasn't as excited, and I didn't think it was anywhere near what quality of a broadcast I should be doing, and that was part of the reason why I left Sports Center.

That's really kind of mastered it.

That's really kind of mastered it.

That's really interesting, interesting to me. So what would you would say what your last year or two it's Sports Center, You didn't think you were doing a great job.

That's really interesting, interesting to me. So what would you would say what your last year or two it's Sports Center, You didn't think you were doing a great job.

Yeah, last two years definitely.

Yeah, last two years definitely.

And why do you think that was?

And why do you think that was?

I don't know.

I don't know.

I think I had challenged myself when Keith left, Chris Berman stopped doing Sports Center, Bob Lee stopped doing Sports Center, Mike Tarrico did, Chris Meyers left, Chris Fowler, everybody sort of left the building, and I was that last guy. And then I looked around and I go, I sort of need to find a new passion with this because it wasn't there. And look, there were younger people came in and it wasn't anything against them. It was just I was there with a lot of talent, and Sports Center was different then. Now you can find out everything. Now there's social media. There wasn't the tune in factor, and I just I don't know. I just I vividly remember throwing it out to South Palantonio for a live shot, and in my mind, I'm saying, man, you're going through the motions. And I remember telling my wife. I went home and I said, am I mailing it in? And she goes, I don't know what that means? I said, am I like, am I still excited to do this? I'm really starting to question this? And she said only you would know. And I started to reflect on it, and that I started my exit plan. I was just like, I got to do something different, and it's probably not going to be at ESPN.

I think I had challenged myself when Keith left, Chris Berman stopped doing Sports Center, Bob Lee stopped doing Sports Center, Mike Tarrico did, Chris Meyers left, Chris Fowler, everybody sort of left the building, and I was that last guy. And then I looked around and I go, I sort of need to find a new passion with this because it wasn't there. And look, there were younger people came in and it wasn't anything against them. It was just I was there with a lot of talent, and Sports Center was different then. Now you can find out everything. Now there's social media. There wasn't the tune in factor, and I just I don't know. I just I vividly remember throwing it out to South Palantonio for a live shot, and in my mind, I'm saying, man, you're going through the motions. And I remember telling my wife. I went home and I said, am I mailing it in? And she goes, I don't know what that means? I said, am I like, am I still excited to do this? I'm really starting to question this? And she said only you would know. And I started to reflect on it, and that I started my exit plan. I was just like, I got to do something different, and it's probably not going to be at ESPN.

And you said that this run now with your radio show Monday through Friday, three hours a day, Peacock and Fox Sports Radio. Currently. You said this has been more exciting than anything you've done, more enjoyable than anything you've done. Why is that.

And you said that this run now with your radio show Monday through Friday, three hours a day, Peacock and Fox Sports Radio. Currently. You said this has been more exciting than anything you've done, more enjoyable than anything you've done. Why is that.

I think it's a true reflection on me and my personality, what I want to cover, what I want to talk about, the fact that I have guys here in studio with me, sort of a studio audience that's able to respond to you. I still love the medium. I love radio. I've always loved radio. You throw in a simulcast where I wanted to have sort of a Truman show if you're familiar with the movie, where there's cameras covering everything. Let people see really what goes on during a radio show. And I have wonderful people to work with and we have fun. I mean, I got guys. So we're an hour and a half done with the show, and I still have guys who are here. They're just hanging out and you know, whether they're playing basketball. I mean, there's so many different things to be able to do here. I just wanted that atmosphere of it's twelve minutes to get to work. I'm able to be around my family more and I'm still challenged by it. It's a lot of fun.

I think it's a true reflection on me and my personality, what I want to cover, what I want to talk about, the fact that I have guys here in studio with me, sort of a studio audience that's able to respond to you. I still love the medium. I love radio. I've always loved radio. You throw in a simulcast where I wanted to have sort of a Truman show if you're familiar with the movie, where there's cameras covering everything. Let people see really what goes on during a radio show. And I have wonderful people to work with and we have fun. I mean, I got guys. So we're an hour and a half done with the show, and I still have guys who are here. They're just hanging out and you know, whether they're playing basketball. I mean, there's so many different things to be able to do here. I just wanted that atmosphere of it's twelve minutes to get to work. I'm able to be around my family more and I'm still challenged by it. It's a lot of fun.

So would you say this has been the more enjoyable than your peak with Keith when you guys were musty TV and pop culture and part of Americana and all that.

So would you say this has been the more enjoyable than your peak with Keith when you guys were musty TV and pop culture and part of Americana and all that.

It's different, Jimmy.

It's different, Jimmy.

Nobody could prepare us for what happened back in the nineties because we didn't know who was watching. We weren't given data that says, man, you guys are popular. We were working in Bristol, Connecticut. We had were not in New York or LA. We had no idea popularity wise. And then all of a sudden, I remember TV Guide came out, might have been nineteen ninety five said ten best shows to see watch and one was Keith and I on Sports Center. We're like, wait a minute, Like, there are people out there who are watching this show. And then you got feedback from whether it was athletes or you know, entertainment entertainers or musicians and like it kind of was something that I wasn't prepared for because I didn't get into the business to be popular. I got into the business because I didn't have a backup plan. I didn't have a plan B when I was going to college or growing up. And this is different because I've been in the industry. I know the industry movers and shakers in the industry, and I wanted to kind of cut out all that nonsense.

Nobody could prepare us for what happened back in the nineties because we didn't know who was watching. We weren't given data that says, man, you guys are popular. We were working in Bristol, Connecticut. We had were not in New York or LA. We had no idea popularity wise. And then all of a sudden, I remember TV Guide came out, might have been nineteen ninety five said ten best shows to see watch and one was Keith and I on Sports Center. We're like, wait a minute, Like, there are people out there who are watching this show. And then you got feedback from whether it was athletes or you know, entertainment entertainers or musicians and like it kind of was something that I wasn't prepared for because I didn't get into the business to be popular. I got into the business because I didn't have a backup plan. I didn't have a plan B when I was going to college or growing up. And this is different because I've been in the industry. I know the industry movers and shakers in the industry, and I wanted to kind of cut out all that nonsense.

I just wanted to do a show. I hope you like it.

I just wanted to do a show. I hope you like it.

And we've been honored with I think five Sports Emmy nominees and nominations and we're just twelve people, and I love that. And we're going up against you know, part of the Interruption or Sports Center, Baseball Network, I mean, all of these big shows, but you know we do. It's fun. It's fun being an underdog every single day coming in. At least that's the feeling we have.

And we've been honored with I think five Sports Emmy nominees and nominations and we're just twelve people, and I love that. And we're going up against you know, part of the Interruption or Sports Center, Baseball Network, I mean, all of these big shows, but you know we do. It's fun. It's fun being an underdog every single day coming in. At least that's the feeling we have.

You said you still love the medium of radio. I'm glad you said that because I wanted to ask you about radio because I feel like in this quickly, rapidly ever changing landscape of sports media, you know, we've seen it. Everything's going on a streaming in terms of what we're watching on television. People are getting information from social media, and I feel like radio is this thing that is still there. I don't know, I don't know how people consume it. I don't don't know if younger people are into radio. I'm still a radio guy. I think radio has been helped by the changes and that everything you can listen to everything sort of on demand I mean, I'm still I know you're you're a huge How it's stern guy, I'm how it's stern guy. I don't usually I mean some days I listen right at seven am, but sometimes I started at a at am and I can go back. Where do you think the state of radio is right now? In this in this climate? That's very confusing? I think sometimes in the in the sports media.

You said you still love the medium of radio. I'm glad you said that because I wanted to ask you about radio because I feel like in this quickly, rapidly ever changing landscape of sports media, you know, we've seen it. Everything's going on a streaming in terms of what we're watching on television. People are getting information from social media, and I feel like radio is this thing that is still there. I don't know, I don't know how people consume it. I don't don't know if younger people are into radio. I'm still a radio guy. I think radio has been helped by the changes and that everything you can listen to everything sort of on demand I mean, I'm still I know you're you're a huge How it's stern guy, I'm how it's stern guy. I don't usually I mean some days I listen right at seven am, but sometimes I started at a at am and I can go back. Where do you think the state of radio is right now? In this in this climate? That's very confusing? I think sometimes in the in the sports media.

Bubble, I don't know how many people still want to do radio. A lot of people want to do podcasts. Everybody wants to be on TV. I didn't enjoy TV. I just it's a lot not it just it wasn't fun from the standpoint of I mean, everything is mapped out, you know, to the second, and you might have thirty two seconds to talk about this, so you've got to highlight over here, and you got to you know, do an on camera read, you know. I mean, there could be a variety of things. It's just it's not as freelance fun as what radio is. And I just love where I can say something on radio and if I give you a visualization, it's up to you you put that in your head. I mean, the power of that to connect with somebody in their car in their home, and it's just your voice. There's nothing there to dress it up. It's just your voice, your thoughts, and I just think that's really powerful. It's always been that way with me growing up. Radio was really important. I came from a radio background with a couple of members of my family, and I just had great appreciation for that voice that's in that radio. Not you know, somebody wants to be on TV, even you know, I respect, but I still think that radio is the purest form of what we do because you can call in, you can email the show, you can tweet the show, so you have a relationship with your your audience in real time, and I cherish that. I never ever dismiss that it's important that they know that you're kind of talking to them one on one.

Bubble, I don't know how many people still want to do radio. A lot of people want to do podcasts. Everybody wants to be on TV. I didn't enjoy TV. I just it's a lot not it just it wasn't fun from the standpoint of I mean, everything is mapped out, you know, to the second, and you might have thirty two seconds to talk about this, so you've got to highlight over here, and you got to you know, do an on camera read, you know. I mean, there could be a variety of things. It's just it's not as freelance fun as what radio is. And I just love where I can say something on radio and if I give you a visualization, it's up to you you put that in your head. I mean, the power of that to connect with somebody in their car in their home, and it's just your voice. There's nothing there to dress it up. It's just your voice, your thoughts, and I just think that's really powerful. It's always been that way with me growing up. Radio was really important. I came from a radio background with a couple of members of my family, and I just had great appreciation for that voice that's in that radio. Not you know, somebody wants to be on TV, even you know, I respect, but I still think that radio is the purest form of what we do because you can call in, you can email the show, you can tweet the show, so you have a relationship with your your audience in real time, and I cherish that. I never ever dismiss that it's important that they know that you're kind of talking to them one on one.

Well, I'm just curious in today, you know, twenty twenty three October twenty fifth, twenty three, tenty three, what moves the needle these days on your show in terms of audience and getting attention and feedback? Arether you know? I mean, like everyone knows, like there's the Jordan Lebron thing, which I don't think moves the needle anymore. I think when people hear that they just want to hang themselves. But what what what do you think moves the needle these days?

Well, I'm just curious in today, you know, twenty twenty three October twenty fifth, twenty three, tenty three, what moves the needle these days on your show in terms of audience and getting attention and feedback? Arether you know? I mean, like everyone knows, like there's the Jordan Lebron thing, which I don't think moves the needle anymore. I think when people hear that they just want to hang themselves. But what what what do you think moves the needle these days?

I don't fall into the trap.

I don't fall into the trap.

And maybe it's not fair to say trap, and I don't want to program somebody else's show, but I don't. I don't troll you and say, let's talk about the cowboys, let's talk about Lebron when it's important to talk about them. Then I think my audience takes note. But if I came on and I tried to kind of shoehorn them in every single day, then I think my audience would read through the lines with that. I cover what I need to cover when I need to cover it. And that may sound, you know, a little vague, but really that's what it is. You come in and go, what are you passionate about today? What bothers you today? And then I think your audience buys into you. They trust you. If you have a guest on, your audience will trust that you're having somebody on they find interesting or they will because you do. And I think the passion you show with a topic with an interview translates hopefully or is you know, kind of by proxy to your audience. Then they're going to go, oh okay, if he's having them on, they might be really important, or if they're talking about that, it must be important or interesting or funny.

And maybe it's not fair to say trap, and I don't want to program somebody else's show, but I don't. I don't troll you and say, let's talk about the cowboys, let's talk about Lebron when it's important to talk about them. Then I think my audience takes note. But if I came on and I tried to kind of shoehorn them in every single day, then I think my audience would read through the lines with that. I cover what I need to cover when I need to cover it. And that may sound, you know, a little vague, but really that's what it is. You come in and go, what are you passionate about today? What bothers you today? And then I think your audience buys into you. They trust you. If you have a guest on, your audience will trust that you're having somebody on they find interesting or they will because you do. And I think the passion you show with a topic with an interview translates hopefully or is you know, kind of by proxy to your audience. Then they're going to go, oh okay, if he's having them on, they might be really important, or if they're talking about that, it must be important or interesting or funny.

I've always said I've written this FASTI dot com. I said it to you, I think the last time you're on the podcast. I used to say it to my good friend Andrew Pearloff, he used to be on your show all the time. That your guest list is super impressive. It doesn't get much better than you always seem to get the guests that people want to hear from. Do you still love doing interviews?

I've always said I've written this FASTI dot com. I said it to you, I think the last time you're on the podcast. I used to say it to my good friend Andrew Pearloff, he used to be on your show all the time. That your guest list is super impressive. It doesn't get much better than you always seem to get the guests that people want to hear from. Do you still love doing interviews?

Oh?

Oh?

Yeah, I'm passionate about it. I teach a course. We have a course at my broadcasting school at Full Sale and it's interviewing. And your degree is in sportscasting. I want you to understand how to interview somebody. And every single interview I grade myself. We had Doc Rivers on today and Doc was talking about James Harden his relationship and Ben Simmons, and I thought it was I thought it was a really good interview because Doc allowed it to be a really good interview. And I always tell people, if you want to be a good interviewer, be curious be selfless and be a good listener, and if you have those going in, then you have a chance to have a good interview. Most of the time we get in the way of what can be a good interview because our questions are too long, they're close ended. You want to let the audience know that you know what the answer is going to be, and that just doesn't so you really have to go into it wanting to do it. And every single day, no matter who the guest is, what am I getting from them that they're going to give you an answer that your audience goes, oh did you hear this guy was on? With Dan Patrick? And the best compliment you can give me in this business is you're a good interviewer, because that means I care about my audience, I care about the person I'm talking to, and I'm doing it the right way.

Yeah, I'm passionate about it. I teach a course. We have a course at my broadcasting school at Full Sale and it's interviewing. And your degree is in sportscasting. I want you to understand how to interview somebody. And every single interview I grade myself. We had Doc Rivers on today and Doc was talking about James Harden his relationship and Ben Simmons, and I thought it was I thought it was a really good interview because Doc allowed it to be a really good interview. And I always tell people, if you want to be a good interviewer, be curious be selfless and be a good listener, and if you have those going in, then you have a chance to have a good interview. Most of the time we get in the way of what can be a good interview because our questions are too long, they're close ended. You want to let the audience know that you know what the answer is going to be, and that just doesn't so you really have to go into it wanting to do it. And every single day, no matter who the guest is, what am I getting from them that they're going to give you an answer that your audience goes, oh did you hear this guy was on? With Dan Patrick? And the best compliment you can give me in this business is you're a good interviewer, because that means I care about my audience, I care about the person I'm talking to, and I'm doing it the right way.

I think you're a great interview because you don't do cookie cutter interviews. You seem to do them differently. And what you just said fascinates me about the way you said you sort of evaluate every interview. If you don't mind, I'm going to take a minute to here to make this about me for a second, but I'm curious. But it blows me away that you said that, because I had Bill Simmons on last week on this podcast. It was the first time I ever had Bill on. Don't really have that much of a relationship with them, So you know, I was I was not nervous, that wasn't the word, but I you know, I knew it was a big deal. And when the interview was over, a good friend of mine in the business, I don't want to say his name because it was you know, he texted me privately said how is Simmons? And I said, Simmonson's great. I hated my performance. I didn't think I I was doing too much Q and a back and forth, not enough, just have a conversation. And this person who does interviews as well, wrote back to me and said, Wow, it blows me away that you evaluate yourself like that.

I think you're a great interview because you don't do cookie cutter interviews. You seem to do them differently. And what you just said fascinates me about the way you said you sort of evaluate every interview. If you don't mind, I'm going to take a minute to here to make this about me for a second, but I'm curious. But it blows me away that you said that, because I had Bill Simmons on last week on this podcast. It was the first time I ever had Bill on. Don't really have that much of a relationship with them, So you know, I was I was not nervous, that wasn't the word, but I you know, I knew it was a big deal. And when the interview was over, a good friend of mine in the business, I don't want to say his name because it was you know, he texted me privately said how is Simmons? And I said, Simmonson's great. I hated my performance. I didn't think I I was doing too much Q and a back and forth, not enough, just have a conversation. And this person who does interviews as well, wrote back to me and said, Wow, it blows me away that you evaluate yourself like that.

You have to. You should, That's what I mean.

You have to. You should, That's what I mean.

You can't take it for granted if somebody thinks I'm a really good interviewer. So there's pressure on every inn and so now you, I mean, be critical. You have to look at it and go, how is that question could have been praised differently? When did I ask that question? How did I start how did it finish? And I go into it, I get it, and I'm trying to win. When I do these interviews, I want you to and I always tell people, don't interview have a conversation with because nobody wants to be interviewed, but they like to be talked to, like, let's just talk, have a conversation. My goal is to get you to drop your guard because most coaches and athletes, everybody, they don't want to say something in an interview unless they really want to.

You can't take it for granted if somebody thinks I'm a really good interviewer. So there's pressure on every inn and so now you, I mean, be critical. You have to look at it and go, how is that question could have been praised differently? When did I ask that question? How did I start how did it finish? And I go into it, I get it, and I'm trying to win. When I do these interviews, I want you to and I always tell people, don't interview have a conversation with because nobody wants to be interviewed, but they like to be talked to, like, let's just talk, have a conversation. My goal is to get you to drop your guard because most coaches and athletes, everybody, they don't want to say something in an interview unless they really want to.

They have an agenda.

They have an agenda.

But if you can get them to say something they didn't think they were going to say, now you've done your job.

But if you can get them to say something they didn't think they were going to say, now you've done your job.

And that's my goal.

And that's my goal.

My goal is to get you to talk, to have a conversation, not interrogate you, because nobody wants that. Then that's not what the job is. But I do find that the people i'm interviewing, look, they're athletes. You must compete with them. I'm competing with you. I want you to know I did my homework. I'm going to come after you. I'm going to ask you a question and I may follow up with one. And I think I view it as sort of a competition that I want to have a conversation with you. I want to get something out of you, whether you want to give it to me or not.

My goal is to get you to talk, to have a conversation, not interrogate you, because nobody wants that. Then that's not what the job is. But I do find that the people i'm interviewing, look, they're athletes. You must compete with them. I'm competing with you. I want you to know I did my homework. I'm going to come after you. I'm going to ask you a question and I may follow up with one. And I think I view it as sort of a competition that I want to have a conversation with you. I want to get something out of you, whether you want to give it to me or not.

I have another radio question to get into here on interviewing, and then we'll talk about your book, and then a couple other things. This is sort of there's two issues here. I'm curious as for your take as someone in sports media, someone who is at ESPN. There seems to be a backlash there about Pat McAfee. I find it a little bizarre because I get what ESPN's trying to do. They're trying to bring in a new audience. Pat's got a younger audience, a different audience, and there's a lot of rumblings, a lot of leaks. It seems like anti McAfee stuff coming out. Let's start with that, and then I have a second part, what is your Have you been following that? Do you have a take on it?

I have another radio question to get into here on interviewing, and then we'll talk about your book, and then a couple other things. This is sort of there's two issues here. I'm curious as for your take as someone in sports media, someone who is at ESPN. There seems to be a backlash there about Pat McAfee. I find it a little bizarre because I get what ESPN's trying to do. They're trying to bring in a new audience. Pat's got a younger audience, a different audience, and there's a lot of rumblings, a lot of leaks. It seems like anti McAfee stuff coming out. Let's start with that, and then I have a second part, what is your Have you been following that? Do you have a take on it?

I don't have a I haven't followed it, but I know a lot of what happened with Pat was he was an underdog, started out, then all of a sudden gaining success, and then more success, and then he was doing wrestling. I mean, he was doing everything he needed to do to build his brand. And then he left and went to ESPN. ESPN had just let people go, oh my gosh, they're paying him that amount of money. So there's backlash maybe there, And I don't know what kind of dripped over into college game Day because let's face it, with coach Corso, how long is he going to be on there on the set. And they're looking for somebody who has a dynamic personality. Herbie and Desmond don't have that dynamic personality. They're football guys. Rhys Davis does an incredible job as a host, so what is that entertainment value? Who's going to be that guy? And Pat? And sometimes you may consciously or subconsciously not realize you're trying too hard. And I don't know if people have a backlash because you know, they may feel like Pat's trying to be the villain or trying to be the agitator. I find him incredibly smart, I find him interesting, he's funny. He has changed the whole dynamic with this. But as far as you know who likes him or doesn't like him, all I know is I grew up in the era of Howard Cosell, and fifty percent loved him, and fifty percent hated him, but one hundred percent were tuning in for him.

I don't have a I haven't followed it, but I know a lot of what happened with Pat was he was an underdog, started out, then all of a sudden gaining success, and then more success, and then he was doing wrestling. I mean, he was doing everything he needed to do to build his brand. And then he left and went to ESPN. ESPN had just let people go, oh my gosh, they're paying him that amount of money. So there's backlash maybe there, And I don't know what kind of dripped over into college game Day because let's face it, with coach Corso, how long is he going to be on there on the set. And they're looking for somebody who has a dynamic personality. Herbie and Desmond don't have that dynamic personality. They're football guys. Rhys Davis does an incredible job as a host, so what is that entertainment value? Who's going to be that guy? And Pat? And sometimes you may consciously or subconsciously not realize you're trying too hard. And I don't know if people have a backlash because you know, they may feel like Pat's trying to be the villain or trying to be the agitator. I find him incredibly smart, I find him interesting, he's funny. He has changed the whole dynamic with this. But as far as you know who likes him or doesn't like him, all I know is I grew up in the era of Howard Cosell, and fifty percent loved him, and fifty percent hated him, but one hundred percent were tuning in for him.

Yeah, that's the famous Howitzern private parts scene there about his listeners and what do you think of him? The story came out that he pays Aaron Rodgers for the weekly interview.

Yeah, that's the famous Howitzern private parts scene there about his listeners and what do you think of him? The story came out that he pays Aaron Rodgers for the weekly interview.

Well, there's a lot of local radio shows that do this, right, a lot of big time radio shows who pay people money to show up. It just you know, are you a journalist or not? And Pat's not a journalist, He's an entertainer. And I do think that journalism is really with small letters.

Well, there's a lot of local radio shows that do this, right, a lot of big time radio shows who pay people money to show up. It just you know, are you a journalist or not? And Pat's not a journalist, He's an entertainer. And I do think that journalism is really with small letters.

Now.

Now.

I don't think there's a lot of people who aspire to be journalist anymore. You know, Bob Lee may be the last true journalist in this business, or Jeremy Shapp.

I don't think there's a lot of people who aspire to be journalist anymore. You know, Bob Lee may be the last true journalist in this business, or Jeremy Shapp.

I mean people that I worked with. But I don't know, you.

I mean people that I worked with. But I don't know, you.

Know, I don't know if people think that you can make a great living by being a journalist, You've got to be an entertainer.

Know, I don't know if people think that you can make a great living by being a journalist, You've got to be an entertainer.

You got to get clicks, and you got.

You got to get clicks, and you got.

So it's it's exploded and whatever Pat's approach is to entertainment and you want to pay somebody to come on, fine, I'm not tuning in for journalism with Pat. I'm tuning in for entertainment, and if he wants to have Aaron Rodgers on, and Aaron Rodgers wants to say whatever he wants to say. I mean, that's Pat's show and Pat's audience, and ESPN has to answer for that.

So it's it's exploded and whatever Pat's approach is to entertainment and you want to pay somebody to come on, fine, I'm not tuning in for journalism with Pat. I'm tuning in for entertainment, and if he wants to have Aaron Rodgers on, and Aaron Rodgers wants to say whatever he wants to say. I mean, that's Pat's show and Pat's audience, and ESPN has to answer for that.

Me, it doesn't matter. I haven't been there in seventeen years.

Me, it doesn't matter. I haven't been there in seventeen years.

Well do you think he has pen Is off the hook in a little way, in a little bit of a way where they now, my brain is frying and I'm not remembering the phrasing. They just simulcast Patch show like they don't own Pat show, Like Pat's the loans his show. It's more of a Pat's renting space sort of on ESPN type of deal. Does that take any.

Well do you think he has pen Is off the hook in a little way, in a little bit of a way where they now, my brain is frying and I'm not remembering the phrasing. They just simulcast Patch show like they don't own Pat show, Like Pat's the loans his show. It's more of a Pat's renting space sort of on ESPN type of deal. Does that take any.

Well, who's paying ESPN? Yeah, then it's ESPN.

Well, who's paying ESPN? Yeah, then it's ESPN.

So the last thing on this. The other criticism Pat gets from some people is that he doesn't push back on Rogers. I now, me personally, I wouldn't expect him to given what that interview is. Yeah, I'm curious, you know if you think he should be pushing back when Rogers is saying some things that some people don't agree with.

So the last thing on this. The other criticism Pat gets from some people is that he doesn't push back on Rogers. I now, me personally, I wouldn't expect him to given what that interview is. Yeah, I'm curious, you know if you think he should be pushing back when Rogers is saying some things that some people don't agree with.

I don't want to program anybody's show, Jimmy, because it's his show, it's his interpretation. He's not programming mine. Nobody else is programming. I wouldn't want them. I mean, you may be critical of how I do it, or I don't have hot takes, that's fine. This is this is how I want to do it, and this is who I am, and that's who Pat is.

I don't want to program anybody's show, Jimmy, because it's his show, it's his interpretation. He's not programming mine. Nobody else is programming. I wouldn't want them. I mean, you may be critical of how I do it, or I don't have hot takes, that's fine. This is this is how I want to do it, and this is who I am, and that's who Pat is.

Would I like to see him push back? Yeah? If Aaron was on my show, would there be pushedback? Yeah?

Would I like to see him push back? Yeah? If Aaron was on my show, would there be pushedback? Yeah?

But I just brought up in a different era. I mean, I'm thirty years older than Pat McAfee. I came in at CNN, you know, doing things where the product was most important, and you had to be a journalist and approach it that way. That didn't you know it was a punter. And all of a sudden, he's got a show and he's making millions of dollars and I got Nick Saban and Aaron Rodgers and I'm going to have him on and I'll compensate them.

But I just brought up in a different era. I mean, I'm thirty years older than Pat McAfee. I came in at CNN, you know, doing things where the product was most important, and you had to be a journalist and approach it that way. That didn't you know it was a punter. And all of a sudden, he's got a show and he's making millions of dollars and I got Nick Saban and Aaron Rodgers and I'm going to have him on and I'll compensate them.

Fine, I don't care.

Fine, I don't care.

I'm blown away. I don't know if you face this, because I never felt like you had that many detractors. But I'm just I'm blown away. And there's so many people like this, And we mentioned before I'm just blown away by the people that don't like something and watch it. Just blows my mind away. I don't get it.

I'm blown away. I don't know if you face this, because I never felt like you had that many detractors. But I'm just I'm blown away. And there's so many people like this, And we mentioned before I'm just blown away by the people that don't like something and watch it. Just blows my mind away. I don't get it.

Well, I remember, you know, for a long time with Howard Stern, people would say, you know, I can't believe you like Howard Stern. I said, have you listened? And they'll go no, and I'll go, well, then how can you say that they had an impression of Howard? And I said, just listen. You know he does say a lot of things, you know, people that he stands up for and groups he stands up for, and yeah, are there times when you know it's cringey? Yes, But I mean people who don't listen to certain music, And I'll go, have you tried it?

Well, I remember, you know, for a long time with Howard Stern, people would say, you know, I can't believe you like Howard Stern. I said, have you listened? And they'll go no, and I'll go, well, then how can you say that they had an impression of Howard? And I said, just listen. You know he does say a lot of things, you know, people that he stands up for and groups he stands up for, and yeah, are there times when you know it's cringey? Yes, But I mean people who don't listen to certain music, And I'll go, have you tried it?

No?

No?

No, no, I know I wouldn't like it. I'll go, well, try it, and then if you don't, then fine. But I think we get caught up in somebody's going to tell you what to like or not like. Therefore you're not going to fight through it and go you know what, maybe let me form my own opinion on something, right.

No, no, I know I wouldn't like it. I'll go, well, try it, and then if you don't, then fine. But I think we get caught up in somebody's going to tell you what to like or not like. Therefore you're not going to fight through it and go you know what, maybe let me form my own opinion on something, right.

Well, my bigger issue is that people who try it, dislike it and then still watch it and then complain about it, just don't watch it, you'll be much happier. All right, let's shift gears here. Like I said, you have a book out. It's called The Occasionally Accurate Annals of Football. You wrote it with Joel Cohen from The Symptom Simpsons. Tell the listeners what they can expect in this book.

Well, my bigger issue is that people who try it, dislike it and then still watch it and then complain about it, just don't watch it, you'll be much happier. All right, let's shift gears here. Like I said, you have a book out. It's called The Occasionally Accurate Annals of Football. You wrote it with Joel Cohen from The Symptom Simpsons. Tell the listeners what they can expect in this book.

Well, it's the history of the NFL.

Well, it's the history of the NFL.

So we have every team, We talk about players, great players, maybe not so great players. We do it without the burden of being truthful. It's fun and something different. We didn't All of these football books have to do with history, tradition and gladiators, and it's always serious. And Joel and I and some other writers we just looked at some topics and we said, let's have fun with this, and so we kind of went through things that how we fix penalties.

So we have every team, We talk about players, great players, maybe not so great players. We do it without the burden of being truthful. It's fun and something different. We didn't All of these football books have to do with history, tradition and gladiators, and it's always serious. And Joel and I and some other writers we just looked at some topics and we said, let's have fun with this, and so we kind of went through things that how we fix penalties.

We talked about what you bring to a tailgate.

We talked about what you bring to a tailgate.

We talked about the immaculate reception presented as a sermon. We talk about the bud fumble, the media's impact, trash talk. We even look forward ahead to the twenty seventy three season of what football is like. So it was really just let's have fun with this and hopefully people understand that we're poking fun at some things. Other things we do embrace, and there is we do research in it, and we do tell the truth. There's some things that we fabricate just a little bit. But it was enjoyable and he's a very bright guy and a brilliant writer for The Simpsons, and we kind of fell into it because he wanted to meet it to be a broadcaster on an episode of The Simpsons where Homer is doing rock skipping competition and I'm going to be the play by play announcer. And then we got through with that, and then we just started talking about all these football items and then he said, hey, do you want to write a book? And then we kind of collaborated every couple of weeks or so month and kind of just decided, Hey, can we throw all this together in the blender and make a book?

We talked about the immaculate reception presented as a sermon. We talk about the bud fumble, the media's impact, trash talk. We even look forward ahead to the twenty seventy three season of what football is like. So it was really just let's have fun with this and hopefully people understand that we're poking fun at some things. Other things we do embrace, and there is we do research in it, and we do tell the truth. There's some things that we fabricate just a little bit. But it was enjoyable and he's a very bright guy and a brilliant writer for The Simpsons, and we kind of fell into it because he wanted to meet it to be a broadcaster on an episode of The Simpsons where Homer is doing rock skipping competition and I'm going to be the play by play announcer. And then we got through with that, and then we just started talking about all these football items and then he said, hey, do you want to write a book? And then we kind of collaborated every couple of weeks or so month and kind of just decided, Hey, can we throw all this together in the blender and make a book?

And for better or worse, we did. Here it is and.

And for better or worse, we did. Here it is and.

The book is called The Occasionally Accurate Annals of Football with written by Dan Patrick control Con. So let me ask you this. If I put you in charge of the NFL for one day and you can make one change, and it could be any change you want to the NFL, what would it be.

The book is called The Occasionally Accurate Annals of Football with written by Dan Patrick control Con. So let me ask you this. If I put you in charge of the NFL for one day and you can make one change, and it could be any change you want to the NFL, what would it be.

I'd probably have everything reviewable everything.

I'd probably have everything reviewable everything.

Yeah, so you want nine hour games.

Yeah, so you want nine hour games.

No, we review every single play in the game already.

No, we review every single play in the game already.

Well, that's true.

Well, that's true.

So there's a play, and then there's we watch it, and then we want it a couple angles, and then another angle, and then there's another play. Uh, if you could expedite this where you're actually looking at it, the home office looks at it and says, hey, there's something.

So there's a play, and then there's we watch it, and then we want it a couple angles, and then another angle, and then there's another play. Uh, if you could expedite this where you're actually looking at it, the home office looks at it and says, hey, there's something.

Now.

Now.

You don't have to review every play. It's just every call, and every play is not reviewed. But if you had every call. I think roughing the passers should be reviewable because it is extremely important, and I think that we're protecting the quarterback to a degree that is I don't think it's great for the game. I think you still have to be fair to the defense. You don't want to go, Yeah, the defense is getting a little better. Let's change the rules again to give the offense. And scoring is down this year, right, statistics show scoring is down. I don't know what the Competition committee does to get more scoring there, but I would probably have everything open to review.

You don't have to review every play. It's just every call, and every play is not reviewed. But if you had every call. I think roughing the passers should be reviewable because it is extremely important, and I think that we're protecting the quarterback to a degree that is I don't think it's great for the game. I think you still have to be fair to the defense. You don't want to go, Yeah, the defense is getting a little better. Let's change the rules again to give the offense. And scoring is down this year, right, statistics show scoring is down. I don't know what the Competition committee does to get more scoring there, but I would probably have everything open to review.

If your job is to get it right, your goal is to get it right.

If your job is to get it right, your goal is to get it right.

You have all the gambling implications, you have fantasy implications here, then you owe it to your audience to get it right. You can't go, hey, we missed the call in the Colts game. Shouldn't have called pass interference on the defensive back. Well, let's say you got money on that. I just I think we're headed to a situation that's going to be uncomfortable for the NFL. With gambling, whether it's a call, something happens, a gambler is upset. I just we're way too comfortable with it, and having been a former gambler, I'm not comfortable with it. I just I hope there is no issues. But when you have that much money that's on the line, and now everybody's gambling, and now all of a sudden an official makes a bad call and that costs you, let's say ten grand, twenty grand, fifty grand, can something happen? Hopefully not, But we kind of moved quickly into this, Jimmy when nobody was going to go into gambling, and I said, they're all liars. They're going to go in when they know what they can make out of this, and that's exactly what happened. Everybody got there. Money commissioners said, no, we're not gonna go We're not gonna be in gambling.

You have all the gambling implications, you have fantasy implications here, then you owe it to your audience to get it right. You can't go, hey, we missed the call in the Colts game. Shouldn't have called pass interference on the defensive back. Well, let's say you got money on that. I just I think we're headed to a situation that's going to be uncomfortable for the NFL. With gambling, whether it's a call, something happens, a gambler is upset. I just we're way too comfortable with it, and having been a former gambler, I'm not comfortable with it. I just I hope there is no issues. But when you have that much money that's on the line, and now everybody's gambling, and now all of a sudden an official makes a bad call and that costs you, let's say ten grand, twenty grand, fifty grand, can something happen? Hopefully not, But we kind of moved quickly into this, Jimmy when nobody was going to go into gambling, and I said, they're all liars. They're going to go in when they know what they can make out of this, and that's exactly what happened. Everybody got there. Money commissioners said, no, we're not gonna go We're not gonna be in gambling.

What changed.

What changed.

Nothing changed other than they realized the amount of money that that was available.

Nothing changed other than they realized the amount of money that that was available.

That concerns me.

That concerns me.

I talk about this so much of this podcast. My listeners are probably sick of it. I had a whole big thing with Simmons about it last week. But I am a gambler who has wanted gambling to be legal, and I am stunned, beyond stunned by how it's infiltrated the broadcast. They still won't touch it during the games, but in the NFL, in the NBA, they touched it during the games. I said this, you know, they have Barkley cutting in the middle of the game to tell us what his FanDuel parlay is or DraftKings or whatever. The pregame shows are basically a one hour DraftKings and FanDuel commercial. I never thought it would get to that.

I talk about this so much of this podcast. My listeners are probably sick of it. I had a whole big thing with Simmons about it last week. But I am a gambler who has wanted gambling to be legal, and I am stunned, beyond stunned by how it's infiltrated the broadcast. They still won't touch it during the games, but in the NFL, in the NBA, they touched it during the games. I said this, you know, they have Barkley cutting in the middle of the game to tell us what his FanDuel parlay is or DraftKings or whatever. The pregame shows are basically a one hour DraftKings and FanDuel commercial. I never thought it would get to that.

There's so much money, right, There's just way too much money, Jimmy, That's why follow the money. Everybody got paid. Now everybody's comfortable. I mean, my show is sponsored by Draft. But I do say to my audience, look, I gambled, I made money, and I got out, But there's a lot of bad stories out there were people start out on a fifty dollars bet, maybe they're gonna be one hundred dollars parlay. Next thing you know, you lose, then you double up, and that then you're down two grand. Well two grand may not seem like a lot to a lot of people, but to some people it is. And then all of a sudden, and if you have a personality like I have, and that is you know, I'm competitive, and you start gambling and you think you're smarter than everybody, you're not. And I tell my audience love DraftKings is a sponsor, but do it for entertainment. Don't try to make a living out of this. Have fun with it. But know what you can bet, know your means, know your bottom line. I exceeded that last bet I ever made three thousand dollars, and I didn't do.

There's so much money, right, There's just way too much money, Jimmy, That's why follow the money. Everybody got paid. Now everybody's comfortable. I mean, my show is sponsored by Draft. But I do say to my audience, look, I gambled, I made money, and I got out, But there's a lot of bad stories out there were people start out on a fifty dollars bet, maybe they're gonna be one hundred dollars parlay. Next thing you know, you lose, then you double up, and that then you're down two grand. Well two grand may not seem like a lot to a lot of people, but to some people it is. And then all of a sudden, and if you have a personality like I have, and that is you know, I'm competitive, and you start gambling and you think you're smarter than everybody, you're not. And I tell my audience love DraftKings is a sponsor, but do it for entertainment. Don't try to make a living out of this. Have fun with it. But know what you can bet, know your means, know your bottom line. I exceeded that last bet I ever made three thousand dollars, and I didn't do.

You remember on what the game was.

You remember on what the game was.

It was a bowl game, a bulk a long time ago, Arkansas and Oklahoma, and I was up six grand. I bet three grand, so I lost thirty three hundred and that was it.

It was a bowl game, a bulk a long time ago, Arkansas and Oklahoma, and I was up six grand. I bet three grand, so I lost thirty three hundred and that was it.

I stopped betting.

I stopped betting.

And because why, though, give me this specific reason.

And because why, though, give me this specific reason.

I knew, I knew that I was going to end up being down. I just knew it. And for some reason, I'm all in. When I'm not in, I'm not in at all. And I just said, that's it. And I have friends who asked me. My neighbor asked me on Sunday morning. He's a Patriots fan, twenty seven years season ticket holder. He said, I don't know if I'm going to go to the game. I said, I think you guys are going to win. He goes, we're eight and a half point underdogs. I said, I think you guys are going to win. I see him last night and he goes, hey, you weren't shitting me. We How did you know that? I go, just a feeling I would never bet on that. He goes, next time you feel that way, let me know. I go no, no. I nobody ever gives me money when I'm right. They just complain when I'm wrong, of course. And I have friends who will say, who do you like? When somebody says who do you like? That person's gambling, and I always say, look, I don't want to tell you something where you're going to put money down. I just I know that bad things can happen, and everybody goes no, no, you know, it's like when I go to Vegas, I know how much I can lose and go okay, fair enough, just fore warning here.

I knew, I knew that I was going to end up being down. I just knew it. And for some reason, I'm all in. When I'm not in, I'm not in at all. And I just said, that's it. And I have friends who asked me. My neighbor asked me on Sunday morning. He's a Patriots fan, twenty seven years season ticket holder. He said, I don't know if I'm going to go to the game. I said, I think you guys are going to win. He goes, we're eight and a half point underdogs. I said, I think you guys are going to win. I see him last night and he goes, hey, you weren't shitting me. We How did you know that? I go, just a feeling I would never bet on that. He goes, next time you feel that way, let me know. I go no, no. I nobody ever gives me money when I'm right. They just complain when I'm wrong, of course. And I have friends who will say, who do you like? When somebody says who do you like? That person's gambling, and I always say, look, I don't want to tell you something where you're going to put money down. I just I know that bad things can happen, and everybody goes no, no, you know, it's like when I go to Vegas, I know how much I can lose and go okay, fair enough, just fore warning here.

Yeah, it's uh, you know, I I it didn't. I do feel like there's been more attention on the rest and the bad calls. And I heard Peter King on with medug Russo on Tuesday because it wasn't and he said he thinks it's because of the gambling. And now you're saying, so, there's obviously there's something there. There's definitely and it didn't occur to me as someone who's a gambler, but I, you know, I think that. Uh. And it's funny because I wrote in my column on Monday about the bad officiating and I said, everything under two minutes needs to be viewed. You want everything reviewed, So you're going you're going way radical.

Yeah, it's uh, you know, I I it didn't. I do feel like there's been more attention on the rest and the bad calls. And I heard Peter King on with medug Russo on Tuesday because it wasn't and he said he thinks it's because of the gambling. And now you're saying, so, there's obviously there's something there. There's definitely and it didn't occur to me as someone who's a gambler, but I, you know, I think that. Uh. And it's funny because I wrote in my column on Monday about the bad officiating and I said, everything under two minutes needs to be viewed. You want everything reviewed, So you're going you're going way radical.

I like it.

I like it.

Well.

Well.

Jim Mersey said that that everything in the final two minutes should be reviewable. I think he's going to get into trouble for saying that because from the standpoint of he was told that the reps made a couple of mistakes in the final two minutes of that lost to the Browns. But if I'm watching that game and I had money on it, I mean, I'd belivid because one of the two was definitely not interference and the ball was not catchable. But if it's reviewed, then they can clean up the mistake. I just worry that they had this opportunity, and I don't want it to slow down the game. But I wanted to improve the game, and I think you could accomplish both. It used to be instant replay. Remember that now it's just called replay, right, And they never did it in an instant It was we'll eventually get to it replay, and then you know, then we feel like, oh, it's slowing the game. Count the amount of time in between plays. There's very little action in an NFL game. It's like there's that's four seconds, and then we'll replay it and then replay it, and then maybe another replay and then there's another play. I think you can do this, you know, correctly, and help preserve the integrity of the game and fantasy and certainly gambling there, they're.

Jim Mersey said that that everything in the final two minutes should be reviewable. I think he's going to get into trouble for saying that because from the standpoint of he was told that the reps made a couple of mistakes in the final two minutes of that lost to the Browns. But if I'm watching that game and I had money on it, I mean, I'd belivid because one of the two was definitely not interference and the ball was not catchable. But if it's reviewed, then they can clean up the mistake. I just worry that they had this opportunity, and I don't want it to slow down the game. But I wanted to improve the game, and I think you could accomplish both. It used to be instant replay. Remember that now it's just called replay, right, And they never did it in an instant It was we'll eventually get to it replay, and then you know, then we feel like, oh, it's slowing the game. Count the amount of time in between plays. There's very little action in an NFL game. It's like there's that's four seconds, and then we'll replay it and then replay it, and then maybe another replay and then there's another play. I think you can do this, you know, correctly, and help preserve the integrity of the game and fantasy and certainly gambling there, they're.

Going to have to do something. There's no doubt about it. A couple of things before we wrap it up. I appreciate the fact that you allowed me to ask you about radio and some topical things before we did the plug for the occasionally Accurate Anamals of Football. And I say that because I saw on Awful announcing recently that this is the ten year anniversary of your famous Qualcom interview with Matt Harvey. Yeah, isn't it a I mean I still think about that interview occasionally. Is that like in the in the c of Dan Patrick? Is that something that is on the list of like, well that was that was some bullshit right there.

Going to have to do something. There's no doubt about it. A couple of things before we wrap it up. I appreciate the fact that you allowed me to ask you about radio and some topical things before we did the plug for the occasionally Accurate Anamals of Football. And I say that because I saw on Awful announcing recently that this is the ten year anniversary of your famous Qualcom interview with Matt Harvey. Yeah, isn't it a I mean I still think about that interview occasionally. Is that like in the in the c of Dan Patrick? Is that something that is on the list of like, well that was that was some bullshit right there.

Well, if you do three hours a day, you're going to run into those moments. And that's where. So you have Matt Harvey, he's pitching for the Mets, you're in New York. I think that he is well aware of the quid pro quo when you have a product and hey, I get to ask you a couple of questions, you get to ask me a couple of questions. I get to make my plug great. When I'm asking him about, you know, his surgery, and he said, I'm just here to talk about Qualcomm And I thought, wait, wait, so you want me to have you on so you can just talk about Qualcomm communications.

Well, if you do three hours a day, you're going to run into those moments. And that's where. So you have Matt Harvey, he's pitching for the Mets, you're in New York. I think that he is well aware of the quid pro quo when you have a product and hey, I get to ask you a couple of questions, you get to ask me a couple of questions. I get to make my plug great. When I'm asking him about, you know, his surgery, and he said, I'm just here to talk about Qualcomm And I thought, wait, wait, so you want me to have you on so you can just talk about Qualcomm communications.

And he was under the impression that that's what you do. And I'm going he's in New York and he doesn't understand how the game works. And I thought, well, whoever is working with him or Qualcomm. I had this issue with Kyler Murray at the Super Bowl years ago in Atlanta. He just wanted to talk about Gatorade.

And he was under the impression that that's what you do. And I'm going he's in New York and he doesn't understand how the game works. And I thought, well, whoever is working with him or Qualcomm. I had this issue with Kyler Murray at the Super Bowl years ago in Atlanta. He just wanted to talk about Gatorade.

He didn't want to talk to super Bowl, that's all. I mean, that doesn't surprise me because the Super Bowl is basically one big pitch your product interview at radio row.

He didn't want to talk to super Bowl, that's all. I mean, that doesn't surprise me because the Super Bowl is basically one big pitch your product interview at radio row.

But everybody knows that you must answer questions, right. He didn't want to talk about playing football or baseball. He just wanted to talk about gatorade. And I thought, somebody needs to help these kids just to say, hey, this here, let's sit down. I'm going to give you a for instance, They're going to ask you about this and this and this, and then you're going to answer, and then they'll probably reintroduce you, say Matt Harvey of the Mets joining us in the Dan Patrick Show, and then he's probably going to say, tell me what you're doing on behalf of Qualcon. I mean, that's what they need to do with these young athletes. If you're going to endorse something. We'll get around to it. I've had, you know, some big name people who two questions in will then take the interview and go, well, I just you know, I want to make sure that we talk about you know, this insurance company that blah blah blah, and I go, we're we'll get to that. We'll get to all of that. But they're so nervous about it. But I think some of them don't understand what quid pro quo.

But everybody knows that you must answer questions, right. He didn't want to talk about playing football or baseball. He just wanted to talk about gatorade. And I thought, somebody needs to help these kids just to say, hey, this here, let's sit down. I'm going to give you a for instance, They're going to ask you about this and this and this, and then you're going to answer, and then they'll probably reintroduce you, say Matt Harvey of the Mets joining us in the Dan Patrick Show, and then he's probably going to say, tell me what you're doing on behalf of Qualcon. I mean, that's what they need to do with these young athletes. If you're going to endorse something. We'll get around to it. I've had, you know, some big name people who two questions in will then take the interview and go, well, I just you know, I want to make sure that we talk about you know, this insurance company that blah blah blah, and I go, we're we'll get to that. We'll get to all of that. But they're so nervous about it. But I think some of them don't understand what quid pro quo.

Means when you're doing an interview.

Means when you're doing an interview.

I wonder why the Kyler Murray went didn't get sort of the attention that the Matt Harvey wanted.

I wonder why the Kyler Murray went didn't get sort of the attention that the Matt Harvey wanted.

Oh no, no, Kyler Murray did.

Oh no, no, Kyler Murray did.

If you go back, yes, because I had two people who worked for two different NFL teams who said they are showing that interview in the facility of whether or not they would draft Kyler Murray if he was available. That there was some true apprehension of oh my god, this kid is freezing up on stage live and didn't know what to say. I mean, he could have easily danced around it. It was a painful interview, it was live. To his credit, he did come back. I don't know how long after that I mean it was wild. It was probably a year later, and he didn't apologize, and he laughed at it. But you know, during the in the moment, like it's survival because now I'm mad at you. Now I'm going to be embarrassed. I don't care about your feelings. But I was trying to help him. He was like twenty one years of age, and he wouldn't answer anything. And then he was he sat there, he was quiet. His dad is I know, sixty feet away across the room. I'm interviewing his dad live yelling and his dad about and I'd gotten word that Kyler, if he was going to be a top ten or top five pick, was going to play football, and so I had a heads up with that. But I was trying to get him to give me a little bit. He didn't give me anything. And then I'm like, all right, sorry, hell with you. I'm pulling the ripcord and you know, I'll send you down the radio row.

If you go back, yes, because I had two people who worked for two different NFL teams who said they are showing that interview in the facility of whether or not they would draft Kyler Murray if he was available. That there was some true apprehension of oh my god, this kid is freezing up on stage live and didn't know what to say. I mean, he could have easily danced around it. It was a painful interview, it was live. To his credit, he did come back. I don't know how long after that I mean it was wild. It was probably a year later, and he didn't apologize, and he laughed at it. But you know, during the in the moment, like it's survival because now I'm mad at you. Now I'm going to be embarrassed. I don't care about your feelings. But I was trying to help him. He was like twenty one years of age, and he wouldn't answer anything. And then he was he sat there, he was quiet. His dad is I know, sixty feet away across the room. I'm interviewing his dad live yelling and his dad about and I'd gotten word that Kyler, if he was going to be a top ten or top five pick, was going to play football, and so I had a heads up with that. But I was trying to get him to give me a little bit. He didn't give me anything. And then I'm like, all right, sorry, hell with you. I'm pulling the ripcord and you know, I'll send you down the radio row.

And his defense. At least I know what gatorade is. I still to this day don't know a qual come is. But that's a whole other.

And his defense. At least I know what gatorade is. I still to this day don't know a qual come is. But that's a whole other.

It's a communication.

It's a communication.

Yeah, company people still will call up and they'll go Hey, like my listeners, they'll go, hey, I'm just here to talk about Qualcomm. And you know, those who get it get it, and you know we laugh about it. But if you do this long enough, you're going to run into those moments where you go, this is this is shit show?