Welcome everyone to SI Media with Jimmy Traina. Thank you so much for listening. We have a major sports media podcast here for you with Brian Curtis of The Ringer. So much sports media news that we covered. We've got the Tony Romo backlash Romo and Nance actually calling the Super Bowl this year and how that's going to play out, Tom Brady replacing Greg Olsen, a lot of controversy there. People really love Greg Olsen. Tom has made it clear he's going to go into the broadcast booth for Fox. Still talking about ESPN replacing jeff A. Gundy with Doc Rivers and how Doc Rivers is gone, touch on some other things Steven A. Smith and what's going on with him in ESPN Monday Night Rog go on to Netflix. So cover all that with Brian Curtis of The Ringer nosal this week. Hopefully he'll be back next week. And before we get to Brian, just we've had some really great shows in recent weeks. Kyle Brandt from Good Morning Football was on Simedia with Jimmy Trainer last week. He was tremendous, really fun, insightful interview. Can't recommend that enough. Two weeks ago Kevin Barkhart and Greg Olsen were on the podcast. They are no longer a team anymore. It seems they called the NFC title game and now Tom will replace Greg Olson. So we interviewed them two weeks ago on the podcast, Jim Miller three weeks ago on a lot of things going on at ESPN. So if you missed any of those interviews, go into the archives check them out, and please make sure you're a subscriber to SI Media with Jimmy Trainer and it would be great if you have to review on Apple as well, but subscribing as the main main key and again Kyle Brant, Kevin Burclark, Greg Olson, Jim Miller, all recent guests to check those out. All right, let's get to it. Got about an hour here of inside sports media stuff with the great Brian Curtis of The Ringer all right here right now on Simdia with Jimmy Tranner all right joining me now. Always love having him on Simedia podcast regular It's been about three three and a half months since he's been on, so we had a have to check in with the editor at large at The Ringer, host of the press Box podcast, Brian Curtis Brian ready for Super Bowl Sunday here as we have the dog week before we get.

Welcome everyone to SI Media with Jimmy Traina. Thank you so much for listening. We have a major sports media podcast here for you with Brian Curtis of The Ringer. So much sports media news that we covered. We've got the Tony Romo backlash Romo and Nance actually calling the Super Bowl this year and how that's going to play out, Tom Brady replacing Greg Olsen, a lot of controversy there. People really love Greg Olsen. Tom has made it clear he's going to go into the broadcast booth for Fox. Still talking about ESPN replacing jeff A. Gundy with Doc Rivers and how Doc Rivers is gone, touch on some other things Steven A. Smith and what's going on with him in ESPN Monday Night Rog go on to Netflix. So cover all that with Brian Curtis of The Ringer nosal this week. Hopefully he'll be back next week. And before we get to Brian, just we've had some really great shows in recent weeks. Kyle Brandt from Good Morning Football was on Simedia with Jimmy Trainer last week. He was tremendous, really fun, insightful interview. Can't recommend that enough. Two weeks ago Kevin Barkhart and Greg Olsen were on the podcast. They are no longer a team anymore. It seems they called the NFC title game and now Tom will replace Greg Olson. So we interviewed them two weeks ago on the podcast, Jim Miller three weeks ago on a lot of things going on at ESPN. So if you missed any of those interviews, go into the archives check them out, and please make sure you're a subscriber to SI Media with Jimmy Trainer and it would be great if you have to review on Apple as well, but subscribing as the main main key and again Kyle Brant, Kevin Burclark, Greg Olson, Jim Miller, all recent guests to check those out. All right, let's get to it. Got about an hour here of inside sports media stuff with the great Brian Curtis of The Ringer all right here right now on Simdia with Jimmy Tranner all right joining me now. Always love having him on Simedia podcast regular It's been about three three and a half months since he's been on, so we had a have to check in with the editor at large at The Ringer, host of the press Box podcast, Brian Curtis Brian ready for Super Bowl Sunday here as we have the dog week before we get.

To the game. Yeah, well you'd think so, but I've seen a few news items about sports broadcasting. I don't know about you crossing my Twitter stream, so we got a lot to talk about for.

To the game. Yeah, well you'd think so, but I've seen a few news items about sports broadcasting. I don't know about you crossing my Twitter stream, so we got a lot to talk about for.

You, there's a lot a lot to talk about. I find it. I was gonna start with Brady and Greg Olsen, but since I mentioned the Super Bowl, I do find it interesting that the knives are out for Tony Romo and he's got the Super Bowl this year. I wonder deep down if CBS and Romo were like, maybe not this year for the super Bowl, but it's going to become a story because he's somehow become public enemy number one with viewers. It seems like, yes, I.

You, there's a lot a lot to talk about. I find it. I was gonna start with Brady and Greg Olsen, but since I mentioned the Super Bowl, I do find it interesting that the knives are out for Tony Romo and he's got the Super Bowl this year. I wonder deep down if CBS and Romo were like, maybe not this year for the super Bowl, but it's going to become a story because he's somehow become public enemy number one with viewers. It seems like, yes, I.

Would say, I think it would have happened any year with Romo now because he's just his turn on the wheels come around and some of it's deserve. Frankly, I also think the fact that you have this being a Taylor Swift super Bowl, you're gonna have a lot of people on Twitter who are gonna suddenly have a lot of opinions about Tony Romo. That might not have been on Twitter in a normal year. At least they were there for the AFC Championship Game, Super Bowls kind of everybody anyway. So I just think, yeah, I think he is in for a big, big day on Twitter. Absolutely.

Would say, I think it would have happened any year with Romo now because he's just his turn on the wheels come around and some of it's deserve. Frankly, I also think the fact that you have this being a Taylor Swift super Bowl, you're gonna have a lot of people on Twitter who are gonna suddenly have a lot of opinions about Tony Romo. That might not have been on Twitter in a normal year. At least they were there for the AFC Championship Game, Super Bowls kind of everybody anyway. So I just think, yeah, I think he is in for a big, big day on Twitter. Absolutely.

Yeah. I did not think Romo's performance during the AFC Title Game with the Chiefs and Ravens was bad. I actually thought he was really good in the first half. I think Tony gets in trouble. Where Tony always gets in trouble is he goes a little over the top. You know. He said the Mahomes where the ball was tipped and Mahomes caught it was one of the best plays of all time, it wasn't. I think though. For me, the nitpicking of Romo is I find ridiculous, Like when he had that line that made no sense going to break about.

Yeah. I did not think Romo's performance during the AFC Title Game with the Chiefs and Ravens was bad. I actually thought he was really good in the first half. I think Tony gets in trouble. Where Tony always gets in trouble is he goes a little over the top. You know. He said the Mahomes where the ball was tipped and Mahomes caught it was one of the best plays of all time, it wasn't. I think though. For me, the nitpicking of Romo is I find ridiculous, Like when he had that line that made no sense going to break about.

The balls and entering the ball.

The balls and entering the ball.

Yeah, I mean, we need every website to write a blog post on that one line. It seems to me it seems like there's a big I get it. There are definitely criticisms that are valid of Tony, but I think there's a lot of pylon going on here.

Yeah, I mean, we need every website to write a blog post on that one line. It seems to me it seems like there's a big I get it. There are definitely criticisms that are valid of Tony, but I think there's a lot of pylon going on here.

That's just my I totally agree I agree with what you said about the AMC Championship game, but also back dated a week. I thought his Casey Buffalo game was pretty good too. I did not think that was a bad game at all. He gets a little excited when thea gets closed and he starts to say things that sometimes come out weird. But you know what mols does. That who we're loving this week and every week is Greg Olsen. Greg Olsen has things that come out and you're like, wait, what it's goind a athlete speak. And I think Tony is just it's his turn. You know, it's gonna be everybody's turn eventually. And by the way, if Tony Romo is the crisis we have in NFL broadcasting right now, think how good this is. I mean, if we think Tony Romo is the weak spot. Tony Romo, Folks is a number one NFL announcer. This idea that there's somehow this crisis because he's calling the Super Bowl with Jim Nantz. You're like, I've seen way way worse. I've seen way worse when Phil Simms was on at the end with Jim Nantz in his final years on that crew.

That's just my I totally agree I agree with what you said about the AMC Championship game, but also back dated a week. I thought his Casey Buffalo game was pretty good too. I did not think that was a bad game at all. He gets a little excited when thea gets closed and he starts to say things that sometimes come out weird. But you know what mols does. That who we're loving this week and every week is Greg Olsen. Greg Olsen has things that come out and you're like, wait, what it's goind a athlete speak. And I think Tony is just it's his turn. You know, it's gonna be everybody's turn eventually. And by the way, if Tony Romo is the crisis we have in NFL broadcasting right now, think how good this is. I mean, if we think Tony Romo is the weak spot. Tony Romo, Folks is a number one NFL announcer. This idea that there's somehow this crisis because he's calling the Super Bowl with Jim Nantz. You're like, I've seen way way worse. I've seen way worse when Phil Simms was on at the end with Jim Nantz in his final years on that crew.

Yep, it was it was awful.

Yep, it was it was awful.

Yeah, I think on Monday Night with Jason Went and all that stuff like this is the crisis.

Yeah, I think on Monday Night with Jason Went and all that stuff like this is the crisis.

I do think it's funny you mentioned that. I think that's the great analogy there, because it did feel like to me, now, I thought the Testatur booger witting was bad, but it got to the point where like, now we're gonna go through every single sentence, and that's what's going on with Tony. If you're gonna if you're gonna analyze a broadcaster doing a three three and a half hour game, there's gonna be lines in there from anyone that are gonna be a little weird and a little offt they're doing live TV. So the nitpicking of that one line I thought was so ridiculous, you know, and you make the comparison to Olsen, you know, when Olsen goes over the top, he's still like in a relatively calm way. Tony gets over the top and then he gets a little goofy, and I think maybe that's what turns people off. I don't know, but I don't watch the Romo games and think to myself, oh, I've got to shut this sound off. I can't take this. I just don't think it's that bad. And I feel like about another planet when I scroll through Twitter. But that's Twitter for you, I guess, And I.

I do think it's funny you mentioned that. I think that's the great analogy there, because it did feel like to me, now, I thought the Testatur booger witting was bad, but it got to the point where like, now we're gonna go through every single sentence, and that's what's going on with Tony. If you're gonna if you're gonna analyze a broadcaster doing a three three and a half hour game, there's gonna be lines in there from anyone that are gonna be a little weird and a little offt they're doing live TV. So the nitpicking of that one line I thought was so ridiculous, you know, and you make the comparison to Olsen, you know, when Olsen goes over the top, he's still like in a relatively calm way. Tony gets over the top and then he gets a little goofy, and I think maybe that's what turns people off. I don't know, but I don't watch the Romo games and think to myself, oh, I've got to shut this sound off. I can't take this. I just don't think it's that bad. And I feel like about another planet when I scroll through Twitter. But that's Twitter for you, I guess, And I.

Think the thing is that Twitter and the people we know are going to be either making football points about the announcers or they're going to be seizing on, you know, little phrases like what you're talking about. What they're going to be ignoring is that Tony's great gift is he's got a really good sense of show business. He's very, very personal. He is more personable than any other announcer on television. If you just put somebody in front of a game who doesn't watch a lot of football and saying, which one of these guys do you like, Troy, Chris, Tony Olsen, They're gonna probably pick Tony because he's just very emotionally accessible.

Think the thing is that Twitter and the people we know are going to be either making football points about the announcers or they're going to be seizing on, you know, little phrases like what you're talking about. What they're going to be ignoring is that Tony's great gift is he's got a really good sense of show business. He's very, very personal. He is more personable than any other announcer on television. If you just put somebody in front of a game who doesn't watch a lot of football and saying, which one of these guys do you like, Troy, Chris, Tony Olsen, They're gonna probably pick Tony because he's just very emotionally accessible.

Yes, it goes a little overboard.

Yes, it goes a little overboard.

Sometimes it gets annoying. Sometimes he does round eighteen of Lamar legacy talk in the second half You're like, Okay, it was a good point. I got it, but we need to move on here. But he's got a gift for being on television like that. That's his thing. Again. I've written about all these holes in his game and all this stuff. But I just, yeah, I agree with you. I think we're just kind of going over the waterfall a little bit. This is not a crisis to.

Sometimes it gets annoying. Sometimes he does round eighteen of Lamar legacy talk in the second half You're like, Okay, it was a good point. I got it, but we need to move on here. But he's got a gift for being on television like that. That's his thing. Again. I've written about all these holes in his game and all this stuff. But I just, yeah, I agree with you. I think we're just kind of going over the waterfall a little bit. This is not a crisis to.

Me, exactly agree. I agree, and it's also.

Me, exactly agree. I agree, and it's also.

A number one guy. That's what I would call right.

A number one guy. That's what I would call right.

I agree, And I think while we're both saying maybe Tony goes over the top of little and there's some hyperbole that we don't need, that's because Tony's different than Troy and Olson and Collinsworth. He's got a totally different personality. He's I think, more fun than those guys. Maybe you know that's subjective. Maybe other people don't fight, but he's got a more fun, loose personality than the than the other guys. So you got to take that, and then there's gonna be stuff because of that. You may not love. But again, it doesn't affect my level of enjoyment of a broadcast, but it's it definitely to me seems like, oh, let me get some Twitter clout and bash Tony because that's the thing to do. That's how it comes up to me.

I agree, And I think while we're both saying maybe Tony goes over the top of little and there's some hyperbole that we don't need, that's because Tony's different than Troy and Olson and Collinsworth. He's got a totally different personality. He's I think, more fun than those guys. Maybe you know that's subjective. Maybe other people don't fight, but he's got a more fun, loose personality than the than the other guys. So you got to take that, and then there's gonna be stuff because of that. You may not love. But again, it doesn't affect my level of enjoyment of a broadcast, but it's it definitely to me seems like, oh, let me get some Twitter clout and bash Tony because that's the thing to do. That's how it comes up to me.

I will say, maybe just because see a Nancy called so many big AFC playoff game now with Mahomes. When I hear his voice before a game like that, I was like, this feels big time, man, this feels a big which is a certain test of an announcement.

I will say, maybe just because see a Nancy called so many big AFC playoff game now with Mahomes. When I hear his voice before a game like that, I was like, this feels big time, man, this feels a big which is a certain test of an announcement.

And he was the only guy and got ripped for it who said the Bills can make the playoffs when they were playing like crap in that game against Kansas the regular season game against Kansas City. It was like, you know, Peel, how could. Tony Roum will say this, how can? And then he was right.

And he was the only guy and got ripped for it who said the Bills can make the playoffs when they were playing like crap in that game against Kansas the regular season game against Kansas City. It was like, you know, Peel, how could. Tony Roum will say this, how can? And then he was right.

So yeah, he has a little bit of a podcast in him where you just make all kinds of declarations. Yes, it used to be predictions and now it's kind of more declarations. He's like, if they win this game, they're gonna look back at this play and think da dada and you're like, wow, it's a second quarter and then I don't even remember that play. But he just kind of knows how to kind of make news every ten minutes. Yeah really, because it's like.

So yeah, he has a little bit of a podcast in him where you just make all kinds of declarations. Yes, it used to be predictions and now it's kind of more declarations. He's like, if they win this game, they're gonna look back at this play and think da dada and you're like, wow, it's a second quarter and then I don't even remember that play. But he just kind of knows how to kind of make news every ten minutes. Yeah really, because it's like.

Well, yes, you My only issue with Tony is when you know it could be the second quarter, third going, He's going, this is the play of the game right here, and it's like, okay, let's not let's not get crazy. That's he loves to say, this is the play of the game. But other than that, I don't really have all these criticisms of Tony. I don't get it.

Well, yes, you My only issue with Tony is when you know it could be the second quarter, third going, He's going, this is the play of the game right here, and it's like, okay, let's not let's not get crazy. That's he loves to say, this is the play of the game. But other than that, I don't really have all these criticisms of Tony. I don't get it.

But yeah, here we are.

But yeah, here we are.

But yeah, so I love that he's calling the Super Bowl and then I so he's getting the Pet Summer All Wall Summer All Award at the Super Bowl.

But yeah, so I love that he's calling the Super Bowl and then I so he's getting the Pet Summer All Wall Summer All Award at the Super Bowl.

Okay, you know what the Pet Summer Ale Award is absolutely not no same but it's just named after Pat SUMMERLL.

Okay, you know what the Pet Summer Ale Award is absolutely not no same but it's just named after Pat SUMMERLL.

So you think it's got some prestige, no.

So you think it's got some prestige, no.

Offense to Pat summer All. But Jimmy and I who cover this don't exactly know what the award is.

Offense to Pat summer All. But Jimmy and I who cover this don't exactly know what the award is.

Well, I've learned long ago, sports like, you know, like the Sports Emmys not exactly real. You know, people like to give me ship because wrestling is fake. The Sports Emmys, I mean, well, as we found out.

Well, I've learned long ago, sports like, you know, like the Sports Emmys not exactly real. You know, people like to give me ship because wrestling is fake. The Sports Emmys, I mean, well, as we found out.

Well, and when that happened, I was like, I just need to explain to everybody that nobody knows who wins the Sports Emmy's year to year except the people who are actually winning the Sports m right.

Well, and when that happened, I was like, I just need to explain to everybody that nobody knows who wins the Sports Emmy's year to year except the people who are actually winning the Sports m right.

I still, and you know, I was this was not a topic I was going to get into. But you're way smarter than me. So, I still don't even understand that story because I'm like, the talent didn't win the Emmys, but their name was on the Emmy, didn't they say?

I still, and you know, I was this was not a topic I was going to get into. But you're way smarter than me. So, I still don't even understand that story because I'm like, the talent didn't win the Emmys, but their name was on the Emmy, didn't they say?

Did?

Did?

I would like no one questioned if how did they not know they won? But they really didn't win. I was so confused by that story. It wasn't even fun.

I would like no one questioned if how did they not know they won? But they really didn't win. I was so confused by that story. It wasn't even fun.

I'm a victimless crime. Essentially. Yeah, they were actually winning, but they were just the on screen talent wasn't supposed to get a physical statue when like Game day one, So what they were doing was just submitting fake names and then they could give the talent a statue. It's a real penny handy.

I'm a victimless crime. Essentially. Yeah, they were actually winning, but they were just the on screen talent wasn't supposed to get a physical statue when like Game day one, So what they were doing was just submitting fake names and then they could give the talent a statue. It's a real penny handy.

All for the Sports Emmy. Oh my god. But before we get to Brady, because Brian has a great article about Brady up on the Ringer you mentioned Taylor Swift. Do you so do you think this super Bowl Chiefs and nine Ers in Las Vegas for eleventh do you think that will end up becoming the most watched Super Bowl of all time? Because the record was last year one hundred and fifteen million people watched Eagles Chiefs on Fox. Do you think this super Bowl tops one fifteen?

All for the Sports Emmy. Oh my god. But before we get to Brady, because Brian has a great article about Brady up on the Ringer you mentioned Taylor Swift. Do you so do you think this super Bowl Chiefs and nine Ers in Las Vegas for eleventh do you think that will end up becoming the most watched Super Bowl of all time? Because the record was last year one hundred and fifteen million people watched Eagles Chiefs on Fox. Do you think this super Bowl tops one fifteen?

Well, the asterisk here right is they started counting this slightly differently a couple of years ago.

Well, the asterisk here right is they started counting this slightly differently a couple of years ago.

I know TV sports ratings.

I know TV sports ratings.

I always say this, I don't want to piss them.

I always say this, I don't want to piss them.

Off sports TV ratings, I should say on Twitter, I don't want to piss them off because I know everything's about aut of home, out of home.

Off sports TV ratings, I should say on Twitter, I don't want to piss them off because I know everything's about aut of home, out of home.

But whatever. I just just putting that out there.

But whatever. I just just putting that out there.

Yeah, putting Yeah, I want to just please take I'm just saying last year was one hundred and fifteen million. Well this year top it. Let's let's put it that way.

Yeah, putting Yeah, I want to just please take I'm just saying last year was one hundred and fifteen million. Well this year top it. Let's let's put it that way.

It certainly feels like two giant cultural things are coming together here at the same time. That is way different from your normal super Bowl, or at least was in the normal Super Bowl was like, oh, it's the halftime show, and that's like a really high wattage halftime show that people care about. This is this is the whole game. You know. It's like, oh, I can watch and see that shot of her celebrating an Isaiah Pacheco touchdown.

It certainly feels like two giant cultural things are coming together here at the same time. That is way different from your normal super Bowl, or at least was in the normal Super Bowl was like, oh, it's the halftime show, and that's like a really high wattage halftime show that people care about. This is this is the whole game. You know. It's like, oh, I can watch and see that shot of her celebrating an Isaiah Pacheco touchdown.

So yeah, I mean there have been many Super Bowls recently, especially where halftime was watched more than the game. I don't think that'll be the case this year, but I will say I am one of these people. And I know you're not allowed to say this, and I may go to jail for this, but I'll just take my chances. I'm one of the people that don't think she brought that many new viewers to the games on a week two week basis. I just if she did, I don't know. It's bizarre to me that you'd watch a game to see if she said But having said that, I think this is the game where she's going to have a major impact because this is this game is not for football fans. This game is for everyone but football fans. If you're a football fan who you know, you're there watching week six, Week seven, Week eight, You're watching this game no matter what. So this is where the fringe fan comes in. When you get one hundred and fifteen million viewers, I think this is where she's going to have an impact. I think you're gonna see it's getting a monster number no matter what. But I think it easily get tops one fifteen, and I think she's going to be a big part of that. I did not think she was a part of that for the regular season. But like I said, this game is you know, Super Sunday's a holiday people who don't care about football watch it, so I would expect an enormous number.

So yeah, I mean there have been many Super Bowls recently, especially where halftime was watched more than the game. I don't think that'll be the case this year, but I will say I am one of these people. And I know you're not allowed to say this, and I may go to jail for this, but I'll just take my chances. I'm one of the people that don't think she brought that many new viewers to the games on a week two week basis. I just if she did, I don't know. It's bizarre to me that you'd watch a game to see if she said But having said that, I think this is the game where she's going to have a major impact because this is this game is not for football fans. This game is for everyone but football fans. If you're a football fan who you know, you're there watching week six, Week seven, Week eight, You're watching this game no matter what. So this is where the fringe fan comes in. When you get one hundred and fifteen million viewers, I think this is where she's going to have an impact. I think you're gonna see it's getting a monster number no matter what. But I think it easily get tops one fifteen, and I think she's going to be a big part of that. I did not think she was a part of that for the regular season. But like I said, this game is you know, Super Sunday's a holiday people who don't care about football watch it, so I would expect an enormous number.

Did you see that great moment after the AFC Championship game where she was down the field and she was kissing Travis Kelsey and giving him a big hug, And somehow CBS had Phil Simms talking while this was happening. So Phil Simms got to be the voice of intimacy for America and he goes, oh, you're giving her hugs, You're giving a kiss, and then he just pivoted to like a point of out the Ravens losing. And I'm like, okay, Phil, I don't know a ton about the Taylor world and all that stuff, but like, there is nothing bigger than what is happening on the screen, and maybe we could save the Ravens point for another day. Like you can just let this play. Trust me, people are interested in what is happening right now. Just a little note there, fort Yeah.

Did you see that great moment after the AFC Championship game where she was down the field and she was kissing Travis Kelsey and giving him a big hug, And somehow CBS had Phil Simms talking while this was happening. So Phil Simms got to be the voice of intimacy for America and he goes, oh, you're giving her hugs, You're giving a kiss, and then he just pivoted to like a point of out the Ravens losing. And I'm like, okay, Phil, I don't know a ton about the Taylor world and all that stuff, but like, there is nothing bigger than what is happening on the screen, and maybe we could save the Ravens point for another day. Like you can just let this play. Trust me, people are interested in what is happening right now. Just a little note there, fort Yeah.

I you know, I didn't see it live when that happened, because I think I went right over to the other game, but obviously the clip was all over Twitter, so I saw that. But so Phil Simms was talking over that that that must have been.

I you know, I didn't see it live when that happened, because I think I went right over to the other game, but obviously the clip was all over Twitter, so I saw that. But so Phil Simms was talking over that that that must have been.

Jarring the guy you want at that moment.

Jarring the guy you want at that moment.

Yeah, I'm just trying to think of there's anything on CBS having the I am looking forward to. You know, I'm not going to watch the eight hour pregame or whatever it is, but they do have that. There's a spe I don't know if it's a documentary technically, but there is a one hour special at one o'clock on Super Bowl Sunday about the history of the NFL Tay. I know they have Brent and Greg Rumble and Nance and obviously James Brown. I'm that I will make sure to watch. I'm looking forward to that on Super Bowl Sunday.

Yeah, I'm just trying to think of there's anything on CBS having the I am looking forward to. You know, I'm not going to watch the eight hour pregame or whatever it is, but they do have that. There's a spe I don't know if it's a documentary technically, but there is a one hour special at one o'clock on Super Bowl Sunday about the history of the NFL Tay. I know they have Brent and Greg Rumble and Nance and obviously James Brown. I'm that I will make sure to watch. I'm looking forward to that on Super Bowl Sunday.

I think that the only way to describe that to people is it's like what inside the NBA is now a little bit or you can maybe put college game be in that category. It's like, I just want to watch because you something would happen and that's where the action was, and it was and it was all these characters like inside the NBA where you're like, what's a gonna say and the fact that Brent and Jimmy the Greek were in a bar fight, you know, in real life, not not wrestling, actual real life. I mean there was just just an unbelievable show and an unbelievable story.

I think that the only way to describe that to people is it's like what inside the NBA is now a little bit or you can maybe put college game be in that category. It's like, I just want to watch because you something would happen and that's where the action was, and it was and it was all these characters like inside the NBA where you're like, what's a gonna say and the fact that Brent and Jimmy the Greek were in a bar fight, you know, in real life, not not wrestling, actual real life. I mean there was just just an unbelievable show and an unbelievable story.

Absolutely, And Jimmy the Greek gets fired. Was it before the right before the NFC Championship game. It was like in the middle of the playoffs. I think when he got yeah, Brend had to go on and make that statement and.

Absolutely, And Jimmy the Greek gets fired. Was it before the right before the NFC Championship game. It was like in the middle of the playoffs. I think when he got yeah, Brend had to go on and make that statement and.

Then Bred gets fired right forward.

Then Bred gets fired right forward.

Yeah, it is wild. It is wild. So I'm looking forward to that on Super Bowl Sunday. So yeah, so CBS nance Romo, I'm sure we'll get a lot of Gene Sterotaur on superl CBS does any network love to go to the rolls analysts more than CBS.

Yeah, it is wild. It is wild. So I'm looking forward to that on Super Bowl Sunday. So yeah, so CBS nance Romo, I'm sure we'll get a lot of Gene Sterotaur on superl CBS does any network love to go to the rolls analysts more than CBS.

And the Kicker analysts, And there's a lot of handoffs on that broadcast happening, And I'm just like, you know, that can happen like once or twice a game, and I'll be all good and only for very confusing calls. We're just I'm just happy with with the analyst to be working that out for me. You think kind of just handles it, you know, most of the time they did a little bit. But I'm just like, you.

And the Kicker analysts, And there's a lot of handoffs on that broadcast happening, And I'm just like, you know, that can happen like once or twice a game, and I'll be all good and only for very confusing calls. We're just I'm just happy with with the analyst to be working that out for me. You think kind of just handles it, you know, most of the time they did a little bit. But I'm just like, you.

Got this, CBS they love to go to Jean Sterotur. I love it that they want to you know the pregame. I think JJ Watt's been a good addition. I think what I like about JJ Watt is he doesn't seem to be afraid to He doesn't sugarcoat things. He seems to come right out and say it. But he doesn't get a ton of time because there's seventy four guys on the show.

Got this, CBS they love to go to Jean Sterotur. I love it that they want to you know the pregame. I think JJ Watt's been a good addition. I think what I like about JJ Watt is he doesn't seem to be afraid to He doesn't sugarcoat things. He seems to come right out and say it. But he doesn't get a ton of time because there's seventy four guys on the show.

It just feels like that's going to get a facelift right ces it's about to be undernew management. You have a lot of people that have been there a long time. You know, maybe it's built around JJ. Maybe it's built built around a burls.

It just feels like that's going to get a facelift right ces it's about to be undernew management. You have a lot of people that have been there a long time. You know, maybe it's built around JJ. Maybe it's built built around a burls.

I always whenever I don't watch it regularly, but whenever I see Nate Burlison in the studio, my my weird brain just automatically goes to this guy's on morning TV Monday through Friday. It probably wakes up at three in the morning. Why is he doing this? Do you really need to be on an NFL pregame show when you're sitting with Gail King at seven am Monday through Friday. But you know, I guess the paycheck is very good for Nate.

I always whenever I don't watch it regularly, but whenever I see Nate Burlison in the studio, my my weird brain just automatically goes to this guy's on morning TV Monday through Friday. It probably wakes up at three in the morning. Why is he doing this? Do you really need to be on an NFL pregame show when you're sitting with Gail King at seven am Monday through Friday. But you know, I guess the paycheck is very good for Nate.

It's interesting to weigh those things now, isn't it. Because in the old days like the Today's show would have been just or the morning show had been so big, right, but at the same time, the pregame show is so big. Now you and I aren't watching that moment to moment. Most super football fans aren't watching that moment to moment, but it's still like a huge.

It's interesting to weigh those things now, isn't it. Because in the old days like the Today's show would have been just or the morning show had been so big, right, but at the same time, the pregame show is so big. Now you and I aren't watching that moment to moment. Most super football fans aren't watching that moment to moment, but it's still like a huge.

Audience and right, yeah, and it's I guess, and the the Nate thing is not unusual because you have Strayhand, whose situation is actually way crazy than Nate's because he flies from LA to New York and it's on two. He's on ABC during the week, on the on Good Morning America, then flies and does Fox across the country and now Kurt Menafie, who is also on the Fox Show, is doing local mornings in New York on Fox five here in New York.

Audience and right, yeah, and it's I guess, and the the Nate thing is not unusual because you have Strayhand, whose situation is actually way crazy than Nate's because he flies from LA to New York and it's on two. He's on ABC during the week, on the on Good Morning America, then flies and does Fox across the country and now Kurt Menafie, who is also on the Fox Show, is doing local mornings in New York on Fox five here in New York.

That was really good that announcement.

That was really good that announcement.

Yeah, at least Nate. Everything's in New York for Nate, so he's got that going for him. But they, I guess the networks love the you know, I bet executives just love having that crossover, like, oh, this guy is the face of our news and on our morning show, and then here he is on so which sort of ties into Brady, because the Brady Fox thing is I think super interesting. Brian currently has an article on the ring of Tom Brady is the ultimate test case for fame in the broadcast booth. I read it. Why you just give everyone a little synopsis of of what your thesis is there and then we can get into Tom and Greg Olsen. But give the people a little insight into that article you just wrote.

Yeah, at least Nate. Everything's in New York for Nate, so he's got that going for him. But they, I guess the networks love the you know, I bet executives just love having that crossover, like, oh, this guy is the face of our news and on our morning show, and then here he is on so which sort of ties into Brady, because the Brady Fox thing is I think super interesting. Brian currently has an article on the ring of Tom Brady is the ultimate test case for fame in the broadcast booth. I read it. Why you just give everyone a little synopsis of of what your thesis is there and then we can get into Tom and Greg Olsen. But give the people a little insight into that article you just wrote.

Well, the first thing I was trying to figure out is, like, who is like Tom Brady in sports broadcasting history, someone who actually wants to be an announcer, or let us say it, can be enticed to be an announcer for thirty seven million dollars a year that has his level of not just like being a great famous football player, but just being a famous human person. Joe Montana was kind of in that zone when he did NBC for about five minutes. Maybe Peyton Manning you could argue, though he'd been retired for a few years when he did it, he's certainly in that category. If I really came back to like Frank Gifford in the old days of Monday Night Football, which predates both of us, but like when first came on, he was it right. He was the Golden Boy, he was New York Giants, he was USC, he was the man, and I think that's probably Tom Brady. And I think what makes the experiment so fascinating to me is one of the obvious questions, Tom Brady gonna be good at broadcasting control? I don't know. And then the second part is just like, what's that going to be? Like, what's it going to be like to have somebody that who's been that much part of our football live for twenty years, who has more hardware than anybody in NFL history, actually being like, let me break down this run off tackle on second down.

Well, the first thing I was trying to figure out is, like, who is like Tom Brady in sports broadcasting history, someone who actually wants to be an announcer, or let us say it, can be enticed to be an announcer for thirty seven million dollars a year that has his level of not just like being a great famous football player, but just being a famous human person. Joe Montana was kind of in that zone when he did NBC for about five minutes. Maybe Peyton Manning you could argue, though he'd been retired for a few years when he did it, he's certainly in that category. If I really came back to like Frank Gifford in the old days of Monday Night Football, which predates both of us, but like when first came on, he was it right. He was the Golden Boy, he was New York Giants, he was USC, he was the man, and I think that's probably Tom Brady. And I think what makes the experiment so fascinating to me is one of the obvious questions, Tom Brady gonna be good at broadcasting control? I don't know. And then the second part is just like, what's that going to be? Like, what's it going to be like to have somebody that who's been that much part of our football live for twenty years, who has more hardware than anybody in NFL history, actually being like, let me break down this run off tackle on second down.

There's so many layers to this. As you said, is Tom going to be good? I think he's going to be good, but we can get into that. But the Greg Olson factor, the way this just played out for Fox is so wild to me that they announced Tom he's taking a year off, which I think was smart. Everyone falls in love with Greg Olson. Now he's going to get bumped or end up somewhere else, which we can get into that too. People don't think Tom's going to do it. Tom's doing it. I mean that's been made clear. You hit on something which I had forgotten about till I read your article, because I've heard people say three man booth, which I mean, I even throw that out there if you don't want to just alienate Olson some you know, I had people on Twitter saying, put Brady in the pregame. If Tom Brady's making thirty seven and a half million dollars a year, he's going to be the number one analyst for Fox. That's it. That's it right there. So how do you think it plays out? Do you think Olson just goes to the number two team with Joe Davis. Fox implements the plan they had set up ball along, and that's it.

There's so many layers to this. As you said, is Tom going to be good? I think he's going to be good, but we can get into that. But the Greg Olson factor, the way this just played out for Fox is so wild to me that they announced Tom he's taking a year off, which I think was smart. Everyone falls in love with Greg Olson. Now he's going to get bumped or end up somewhere else, which we can get into that too. People don't think Tom's going to do it. Tom's doing it. I mean that's been made clear. You hit on something which I had forgotten about till I read your article, because I've heard people say three man booth, which I mean, I even throw that out there if you don't want to just alienate Olson some you know, I had people on Twitter saying, put Brady in the pregame. If Tom Brady's making thirty seven and a half million dollars a year, he's going to be the number one analyst for Fox. That's it. That's it right there. So how do you think it plays out? Do you think Olson just goes to the number two team with Joe Davis. Fox implements the plan they had set up ball along, and that's it.

Yep. I think that's a pretty good job. You know, I think there was another number one job out there right now, if there was something happening and broadcasting. Fox really likes greg Olsen internally, like as a person, like he really well liked. He did this thing knowing that he was going to get replaced in a year or two, and he crushed it. I think beyond even their expectations of what greg Olsen could do when they had really high expectations of him. So I think there was something out that they would probably let him out of his deal, or they would at least talk about letting him out of his deal. But I think it's just going to go back to number two, which is, by the way, a pretty good job. You have a playoff game a lot of times in the first round. It's not terrible. You're doing early games, but it's the NFC. So he'll have some big some big matchups and stuff like that, and then I think he'll look around. And he said this today on the Dan Patrick Show I was watching before we came on, Like, he wants to be an a broadcaster. He the top guy.

Yep. I think that's a pretty good job. You know, I think there was another number one job out there right now, if there was something happening and broadcasting. Fox really likes greg Olsen internally, like as a person, like he really well liked. He did this thing knowing that he was going to get replaced in a year or two, and he crushed it. I think beyond even their expectations of what greg Olsen could do when they had really high expectations of him. So I think there was something out that they would probably let him out of his deal, or they would at least talk about letting him out of his deal. But I think it's just going to go back to number two, which is, by the way, a pretty good job. You have a playoff game a lot of times in the first round. It's not terrible. You're doing early games, but it's the NFC. So he'll have some big some big matchups and stuff like that, and then I think he'll look around. And he said this today on the Dan Patrick Show I was watching before we came on, Like, he wants to be an a broadcaster. He the top guy.

He said to me that job. You know, he said this same exact thing to me two weeks ago. Here you could tell he's not I don't know, see he's not thrilled, but he wants to be the number one guy. That's it. That's just he made it very clear the way he said it to me too. And it is going to be interesting to see how plays out because Romo and Aikman on going anywhere. Romo signed a ten year contract in twenty twenty, so unless CBS wants to just pay, they're not doing it. It's just not even an option. After years of having major issues with Monday Night. ESPN has the best booth in football, so they're not Aikman's not going anywhere. Sealey's Amazon and NBC. I don't think Collinsworth has a ton of years left on his contract. It might be one or two.

He said to me that job. You know, he said this same exact thing to me two weeks ago. Here you could tell he's not I don't know, see he's not thrilled, but he wants to be the number one guy. That's it. That's just he made it very clear the way he said it to me too. And it is going to be interesting to see how plays out because Romo and Aikman on going anywhere. Romo signed a ten year contract in twenty twenty, so unless CBS wants to just pay, they're not doing it. It's just not even an option. After years of having major issues with Monday Night. ESPN has the best booth in football, so they're not Aikman's not going anywhere. Sealey's Amazon and NBC. I don't think Collinsworth has a ton of years left on his contract. It might be one or two.

It's just through the next NBC Super Bowl, which I believe is two years from now because Fox is right in then NBC.

It's just through the next NBC Super Bowl, which I believe is two years from now because Fox is right in then NBC.

So I think that's the best hope for Olsen because you know, they booted Al brought in too Eco, so now this can be like a complete overhaul when they bring in Olsen. You know, it's not like Collinsworth is in his forties. I could see that. I think that's going to be the option for Olsen, unless Tom decides after a year or two he doesn't want to do it anymore, which I'd be surprised again because they're giving him thirty seven and a half million dollars. So what do you think about all that?

So I think that's the best hope for Olsen because you know, they booted Al brought in too Eco, so now this can be like a complete overhaul when they bring in Olsen. You know, it's not like Collinsworth is in his forties. I could see that. I think that's going to be the option for Olsen, unless Tom decides after a year or two he doesn't want to do it anymore, which I'd be surprised again because they're giving him thirty seven and a half million dollars. So what do you think about all that?

I think it's the best like spot for Olsen if it were available, because it's Sunday night, you get seeing the Super Bowl rotation all that stuff. I kind of got a getting a sense that it might not be available, that Chris might have one more at least one more contract. Then one is Chris collins were still really good, Like there's not He's another one. He weirdly comes in for more scrutiny now than he remember when he was like the best guy from like throughout the entire twenty tens. I, you know, just again and talking to people and start of reaching out about that question. I'm not sure Chris Collinsworth is done. I'm not sure NBC's done with Chris Collinsworth. We just remember these these are still networks that are pretty conservative about changing over these jobs. You know, this is not usually you don't have like spectacular firings. We think we got a little spoiled last couple of years because they've been a buck walked out the door and that was shocking at the time. But unless you really need to make a change, I don't know that you're going to be like, you know what, Greg Olsen, it would require us to end something at NBC that's worked so well. And like I said, I think Chris is still really really good.

I think it's the best like spot for Olsen if it were available, because it's Sunday night, you get seeing the Super Bowl rotation all that stuff. I kind of got a getting a sense that it might not be available, that Chris might have one more at least one more contract. Then one is Chris collins were still really good, Like there's not He's another one. He weirdly comes in for more scrutiny now than he remember when he was like the best guy from like throughout the entire twenty tens. I, you know, just again and talking to people and start of reaching out about that question. I'm not sure Chris Collinsworth is done. I'm not sure NBC's done with Chris Collinsworth. We just remember these these are still networks that are pretty conservative about changing over these jobs. You know, this is not usually you don't have like spectacular firings. We think we got a little spoiled last couple of years because they've been a buck walked out the door and that was shocking at the time. But unless you really need to make a change, I don't know that you're going to be like, you know what, Greg Olsen, it would require us to end something at NBC that's worked so well. And like I said, I think Chris is still really really good.

Breeze when I say this, they did with out so they did.

Breeze when I say this, they did with out so they did.

But but you know, it's you know, talking about like it's a difference of one Tarico was in house. It was his job. There were tons of people the network who loved out but felt like it's Mike's turn and this is this. Mic is ready for this. He's obvious leaguing, he's obviously a great play by play guy. He's going to crush this. He's gonna be awesome. Greg's not in house, right, so you're talking about if he were doing the pregame show or something like that. Maye could talk me into it, but I don't know. So I kind of think Amazon, which feels like it's going to have a two point zero here pretty soon on you know house, I think for one more year, there's herbies that they're.

But but you know, it's you know, talking about like it's a difference of one Tarico was in house. It was his job. There were tons of people the network who loved out but felt like it's Mike's turn and this is this. Mic is ready for this. He's obvious leaguing, he's obviously a great play by play guy. He's going to crush this. He's gonna be awesome. Greg's not in house, right, so you're talking about if he were doing the pregame show or something like that. Maye could talk me into it, but I don't know. So I kind of think Amazon, which feels like it's going to have a two point zero here pretty soon on you know house, I think for one more year, there's herbies that they're.

Both are there for one more year.

Both are there for one more year.

This coming year, I could completely see that, you know, flipping over and him landing over there. Remember Amazon could have a playoff game pretty soon, right, that well cut game is a is a is a forbid?

This coming year, I could completely see that, you know, flipping over and him landing over there. Remember Amazon could have a playoff game pretty soon, right, that well cut game is a is a is a forbid?

Oh let me tell you there's going to be multiple I mean, if you don't think there's gonna be playoff games on Peacock and Paramount Plus and ESPN and that's all gonna happen.

Oh let me tell you there's going to be multiple I mean, if you don't think there's gonna be playoff games on Peacock and Paramount Plus and ESPN and that's all gonna happen.

I mean, yeah, the hundred buy a playoff game.

I mean, yeah, the hundred buy a playoff game.

Here's a question, for you. If you're Greg Olsen, what do you think is the better job the number two guy at Fox or the lead guy for Amazon? Considering the money is the same. Because everything always comes down, I don't think the.

Here's a question, for you. If you're Greg Olsen, what do you think is the better job the number two guy at Fox or the lead guy for Amazon? Considering the money is the same. Because everything always comes down, I don't think the.

Money would be the same, right, because I think the Amazon money would be right right.

Money would be the same, right, because I think the Amazon money would be right right.

But I'm saying if the money were the same, it's.

But I'm saying if the money were the same, it's.

A good question. Thursday night, you have the night to yourself, don't We shouldn't discount even though Amazon feels smaller. Don't discount how like just having the night to yourself, having everybody's undivided attention, even if it's on a streamer, but playoff game of Fox most years or something. Let's say I guess some years.

A good question. Thursday night, you have the night to yourself, don't We shouldn't discount even though Amazon feels smaller. Don't discount how like just having the night to yourself, having everybody's undivided attention, even if it's on a streamer, but playoff game of Fox most years or something. Let's say I guess some years.

And most I would think most weeks you almost get as many viewers as many eyeballs as Amazon.

And most I would think most weeks you almost get as many viewers as many eyeballs as Amazon.

If you're like an early game and it's often you know, Niners, you know Packers, Cowboys, right, a couple times a year, it's really close. What do you think?

If you're like an early game and it's often you know, Niners, you know Packers, Cowboys, right, a couple times a year, it's really close. What do you think?

I you know, it's tough because I think Fox may be slightly a better gig for the The schedule is such a crapshoot on the Thursday night, and the games are often not great, even when you. You know, the schedule is better this year, but sometimes the games aren't great. I think if you're the way the NFC, I mean, I know it's not it's not traditional anymore with Fox with NFC and CBS at AFC, but it does feel like number two. At Fox. You do get a decent amount of good games, good teams, big markets, Chicago, New York, Dallas, Philly, the Rams, even though I don't no one really cares about them. I think it's tough. I think it's tough. I mean, listen, you have the choice, you go who I was paying the most money. But I don't know. I think if you stay at Fox good No.

I you know, it's tough because I think Fox may be slightly a better gig for the The schedule is such a crapshoot on the Thursday night, and the games are often not great, even when you. You know, the schedule is better this year, but sometimes the games aren't great. I think if you're the way the NFC, I mean, I know it's not it's not traditional anymore with Fox with NFC and CBS at AFC, but it does feel like number two. At Fox. You do get a decent amount of good games, good teams, big markets, Chicago, New York, Dallas, Philly, the Rams, even though I don't no one really cares about them. I think it's tough. I think it's tough. I mean, listen, you have the choice, you go who I was paying the most money. But I don't know. I think if you stay at Fox good No.

Well, you may be about to make this point, but there's a non zero chance at Tom Brady is not like a long timer in this industry either.

Well, you may be about to make this point, but there's a non zero chance at Tom Brady is not like a long timer in this industry either.

Exactly exactly that I was gonna say. You stay at Fox. You hope Tom gets sick of it and then you just get the bump up. If you'll even go to Amazon, who knows if you can come back to Fox.

Exactly exactly that I was gonna say. You stay at Fox. You hope Tom gets sick of it and then you just get the bump up. If you'll even go to Amazon, who knows if you can come back to Fox.

I could absolutely see Brady doing three to five years and declaring victory because he just has more options in life than any normal human like you and I could ever contemplate or even like Chris Collinsworth got to play another even normal let's say, like normal NFL number one guys could ever contemplate.

I could absolutely see Brady doing three to five years and declaring victory because he just has more options in life than any normal human like you and I could ever contemplate or even like Chris Collinsworth got to play another even normal let's say, like normal NFL number one guys could ever contemplate.

And that's what's fascinating. I think about Brady because, like you said, if he did three to five years, you could see him then, you know, dominating it and saying peace out. I can see Tom doing like the Madden thing and becoming like the number on guy for like twenty five years and loving it. It just seems like he's a footballer for life. He's not leaving. It doesn't seem like he's ever going to leave the game of football in some capacity.

And that's what's fascinating. I think about Brady because, like you said, if he did three to five years, you could see him then, you know, dominating it and saying peace out. I can see Tom doing like the Madden thing and becoming like the number on guy for like twenty five years and loving it. It just seems like he's a footballer for life. He's not leaving. It doesn't seem like he's ever going to leave the game of football in some capacity.

He's also just very competitive and I think be the bet on Tom Brady. You know, some of these guys get in and I think Romo has a little bit of this in his makeup, where you're just like it's fun. Here we go, giman and you're not working hard and you're not looking at it with like I'm gonna be the best freaking broadcaster in the country. Whether I get there or not, that's my goal. I just think Tom Ray he's gonna come in with that like that's what he's gonna look at. Peyton he's gonna look at Aigman, he's gonna look at concerts. He's like, I want to be better than those guys, right, And he's gonna work at it. And I can see that. Being a ten year one, he's a long time but like, yeah, yeah, yeah, here, let's say job for him, and hey, you work half the year, you make thirty seven billion dollars, you do your Fox brand ambassador stuff, and then you can literally do whatever you want to do with the rest of your time. Yeah.

He's also just very competitive and I think be the bet on Tom Brady. You know, some of these guys get in and I think Romo has a little bit of this in his makeup, where you're just like it's fun. Here we go, giman and you're not working hard and you're not looking at it with like I'm gonna be the best freaking broadcaster in the country. Whether I get there or not, that's my goal. I just think Tom Ray he's gonna come in with that like that's what he's gonna look at. Peyton he's gonna look at Aigman, he's gonna look at concerts. He's like, I want to be better than those guys, right, And he's gonna work at it. And I can see that. Being a ten year one, he's a long time but like, yeah, yeah, yeah, here, let's say job for him, and hey, you work half the year, you make thirty seven billion dollars, you do your Fox brand ambassador stuff, and then you can literally do whatever you want to do with the rest of your time. Yeah.

I think he's gonna have fun doing it. It's always seems you know, when it was Buck and Aikman and Aaron Andrews on Fox, they got very close. It was always for you know, Burke cahrart Olsen and Aaron Andrews seemed to really love each other. It's you know, Tom ra and Alldi's in that mix. I think he's gonna have fun with it. And I think I'll say this. I was never one of these people that thought he wasn't gonna do it. I thought from day one he was gonna do it. I know I sound like a bragger and a dick, but I listened to his serious XM show every Monday night because it comes on right after Russo, so it's there and I let me just total aside props to Serious XM for fixing your app. Thank god the fifteen second rewind and fast foward buttons are back. Thank you for fixing that after I went nuts on this podcast a month ago. Important sidebark because I want to give credit because nobody listens to customers, so that was good that they did that. He is not afraid to call people out on that podcast. I mean, he had a whole thing about how he thinks the quarterbacks are responsible for a lot of the injuries because they're not throwing the ball in the right place. He thinks the coaching is bad, you know. I know he had words about Dad and Campbell this week with his ridiculous coaching in the NFC title game. If he can bring what he brings to the podcast to the Fox games, I think people are going to really enjoy him because he is not afraid to share his opinion. He will not sugarcoat it.

I think he's gonna have fun doing it. It's always seems you know, when it was Buck and Aikman and Aaron Andrews on Fox, they got very close. It was always for you know, Burke cahrart Olsen and Aaron Andrews seemed to really love each other. It's you know, Tom ra and Alldi's in that mix. I think he's gonna have fun with it. And I think I'll say this. I was never one of these people that thought he wasn't gonna do it. I thought from day one he was gonna do it. I know I sound like a bragger and a dick, but I listened to his serious XM show every Monday night because it comes on right after Russo, so it's there and I let me just total aside props to Serious XM for fixing your app. Thank god the fifteen second rewind and fast foward buttons are back. Thank you for fixing that after I went nuts on this podcast a month ago. Important sidebark because I want to give credit because nobody listens to customers, so that was good that they did that. He is not afraid to call people out on that podcast. I mean, he had a whole thing about how he thinks the quarterbacks are responsible for a lot of the injuries because they're not throwing the ball in the right place. He thinks the coaching is bad, you know. I know he had words about Dad and Campbell this week with his ridiculous coaching in the NFC title game. If he can bring what he brings to the podcast to the Fox games, I think people are going to really enjoy him because he is not afraid to share his opinion. He will not sugarcoat it.

You know that.

You know that.

I always get nervous when any ex player is doing it because I don't think ex players want to criticize players. I don't think Tom cares as much about that. I mean, he's not breaking do whatever the fuck he wants.

I always get nervous when any ex player is doing it because I don't think ex players want to criticize players. I don't think Tom cares as much about that. I mean, he's not breaking do whatever the fuck he wants.

Yeah, oh totally and that and that'll be the key, right, just making sure you unlock enough of that. And I think I think the Fox thing. You know, I spend time around those that production team. I think the first of all that just looks their football. Their games look awesome. That NFC Championship game looked awesome. That shot of George Kimble putting Aden Huncherson on his ass and then both guys laughing about it right after the play. They just personalized football in this really cool way. I think if you can get him in there and you know again, I just I just feel like there's less there's a lot less downside then there would be with you know, generic famous person. I just feel like he will he will really try. Whether he's whether he's great or just good or maybe even bad, I feel like he will work, work, work at it.

Yeah, oh totally and that and that'll be the key, right, just making sure you unlock enough of that. And I think I think the Fox thing. You know, I spend time around those that production team. I think the first of all that just looks their football. Their games look awesome. That NFC Championship game looked awesome. That shot of George Kimble putting Aden Huncherson on his ass and then both guys laughing about it right after the play. They just personalized football in this really cool way. I think if you can get him in there and you know again, I just I just feel like there's less there's a lot less downside then there would be with you know, generic famous person. I just feel like he will he will really try. Whether he's whether he's great or just good or maybe even bad, I feel like he will work, work, work at it.

I think he's gonna have one thing going against him, and just one. I think there's gonna be the perception out there that here comes this guy who has everything, big bed Tom Brady and he's kicking Greg Olsen to the site. Who everyone now has fallen in love with Greg Olsen, and I think there are people who without hearing Brady do a game. And I know this is true based on when I tweeted my column the other day about Olsen and Burkhart calling their last game and the replies. There are people, no matter whether they think he's good or not, they're gonna say Brady sucks like he's he's got to target on his back because of the way he's getting this job, not his fault. Fox came up with this plan. Fox said, this is the plan we're going to do. They're implementing the plan, so no one's really at fault. But Joe Schmoe on his couch doesn't really care about that. And I think some people are going to look at Tom as the bully who pushed out Greg Olsen, and there's gonna be people who does because he's Tom Brady and won a million Super Bowls and beat their team to a pulp on a weekly basis, are not gonna want to say Tom Brady's good.

I think he's gonna have one thing going against him, and just one. I think there's gonna be the perception out there that here comes this guy who has everything, big bed Tom Brady and he's kicking Greg Olsen to the site. Who everyone now has fallen in love with Greg Olsen, and I think there are people who without hearing Brady do a game. And I know this is true based on when I tweeted my column the other day about Olsen and Burkhart calling their last game and the replies. There are people, no matter whether they think he's good or not, they're gonna say Brady sucks like he's he's got to target on his back because of the way he's getting this job, not his fault. Fox came up with this plan. Fox said, this is the plan we're going to do. They're implementing the plan, so no one's really at fault. But Joe Schmoe on his couch doesn't really care about that. And I think some people are going to look at Tom as the bully who pushed out Greg Olsen, and there's gonna be people who does because he's Tom Brady and won a million Super Bowls and beat their team to a pulp on a weekly basis, are not gonna want to say Tom Brady's good.

This part of that, I do think we live in a culture now where people, you know, get on these guys Instagram accounts and are like, look at him having fun with his kids. Look at him being silly, and they're a little more forgiving if you're just a huge star, even if you know the Patriots just killed your team over and over. I was to think of the thing about Olsen. I'll just go back to this. There weren't a lot of Breg Wilson did not have a lot of name ID in America. Broadly speaking, football fans knew he was, but you know, talking about the giant audience when he started doing that gig and you know what happened. He was just really good at it. And everybody's like, oh, we like this guy because you're really good at it. So if there's advice for Tom Brady be good and all of a sudden never being able to be like I like this guy, I don't like him call my games.

This part of that, I do think we live in a culture now where people, you know, get on these guys Instagram accounts and are like, look at him having fun with his kids. Look at him being silly, and they're a little more forgiving if you're just a huge star, even if you know the Patriots just killed your team over and over. I was to think of the thing about Olsen. I'll just go back to this. There weren't a lot of Breg Wilson did not have a lot of name ID in America. Broadly speaking, football fans knew he was, but you know, talking about the giant audience when he started doing that gig and you know what happened. He was just really good at it. And everybody's like, oh, we like this guy because you're really good at it. So if there's advice for Tom Brady be good and all of a sudden never being able to be like I like this guy, I don't like him call my games.

So if I had to put you on this spot and make you make a prediction without any basis making this prediction, do you think Brady is good in the booth or do you think he flops.

So if I had to put you on this spot and make you make a prediction without any basis making this prediction, do you think Brady is good in the booth or do you think he flops.

In the booth? I would, I would. I would bet that he's gonna be good.

In the booth? I would, I would. I would bet that he's gonna be good.

Yeah, and it helps out he's got their cart with him.

Yeah, and it helps out he's got their cart with him.

The way I made the piece and I think is also important is he does come out of this player media world now where these guys are just doing stuff you mentioned serious. He also had those documentaries about his life. They're just involved in media in a much more direct way than players who are waiting for the cameras to come to their locker were in the old days. And I think that's like an interesting point, like he just arrives having talked into his phone and talked into a camera more than the previous generation of announcers did. I think that's something so that matters somewhere in this And.

The way I made the piece and I think is also important is he does come out of this player media world now where these guys are just doing stuff you mentioned serious. He also had those documentaries about his life. They're just involved in media in a much more direct way than players who are waiting for the cameras to come to their locker were in the old days. And I think that's like an interesting point, like he just arrives having talked into his phone and talked into a camera more than the previous generation of announcers did. I think that's something so that matters somewhere in this And.

To put a pin in this, it all will cap off year one in the booth for Tom Brady. Fox has the super Bowl next year.

To put a pin in this, it all will cap off year one in the booth for Tom Brady. Fox has the super Bowl next year.

It's incredible. So also your one super Bowl, Brady, You're one super Bowl.

It's incredible. So also your one super Bowl, Brady, You're one super Bowl.

Yeah, all right, let's switch gears. I didn't really get a chance to get into this on the podcast, just for timing issues, and I think it was the week I had Burt cart and Olsen. But I'm still to this day fascinated by the ESPN doc rivers Jeff Van Gundy situation.

Yeah, all right, let's switch gears. I didn't really get a chance to get into this on the podcast, just for timing issues, and I think it was the week I had Burt cart and Olsen. But I'm still to this day fascinated by the ESPN doc rivers Jeff Van Gundy situation.

You and me both though, so.

You and me both though, so.

I when they fired Van Gundy, I think it was kind of obvious to anyone who pays attention that it was probably because Jeff is critical of officials and the NBA, which and I've said this on this podcast many times, makes no sense because Jeff is an NBA lifer who loves the NBA, So while he's critical, it's because he loves the product, so to say like so, But no one ever came out with that as the official word. And Marshan Andrew Marshan got someone, I guess, to tell him that they let Vangundi go because Van Gundy wanted to get back into coaching eventually. Okay, fine, if that's your ridiculous logic, go for it. But then they be in Doc Rivers, who everyone knows wants to go back into coaching, and when that move hired that when they hired Rivers that day, and I wrote my column, I give him two three years tops. I feel like a fool for thinking it would even go that long before Doc would get back into coaching. And I've also said this and have written this. I think this was all a plan for ESPN to get Reddick JJ Reddick in that spot and get out Jeff Aan Gundy and Mark Jackson. But they couldn't do it, yet it was still too soon. If they put Reddick in the number one spot, I think they'd get some blowback. So they I think they thought, Okay, let's give Doc one or two years, I'll go into coaching. We'll put Reddick in. Now they have to do it after basically six months. It seems like, what a bizarre situation.

I when they fired Van Gundy, I think it was kind of obvious to anyone who pays attention that it was probably because Jeff is critical of officials and the NBA, which and I've said this on this podcast many times, makes no sense because Jeff is an NBA lifer who loves the NBA, So while he's critical, it's because he loves the product, so to say like so, But no one ever came out with that as the official word. And Marshan Andrew Marshan got someone, I guess, to tell him that they let Vangundi go because Van Gundy wanted to get back into coaching eventually. Okay, fine, if that's your ridiculous logic, go for it. But then they be in Doc Rivers, who everyone knows wants to go back into coaching, and when that move hired that when they hired Rivers that day, and I wrote my column, I give him two three years tops. I feel like a fool for thinking it would even go that long before Doc would get back into coaching. And I've also said this and have written this. I think this was all a plan for ESPN to get Reddick JJ Reddick in that spot and get out Jeff Aan Gundy and Mark Jackson. But they couldn't do it, yet it was still too soon. If they put Reddick in the number one spot, I think they'd get some blowback. So they I think they thought, Okay, let's give Doc one or two years, I'll go into coaching. We'll put Reddick in. Now they have to do it after basically six months. It seems like, what a bizarre situation.

It's so funny. And the only thing I'd add to what you said is exactly right is that when they made that excuse anonymously that Van Gundhy wanted to get back into coaching, he had called seventeen consecutive NBA finals, seventeen in a row. But we're worried about him walking out the door and taking another job. Right, what it's like, I mean, it's like almost as long as John Madden was in broadcast, like are you serious? Seventeen in a row? And that was the answer. And maybe, and by the way, his salary might have been part of this equation too, not just the refs, but as you say, we want this transition to happen, we take his salary off the books now when we're having all these layoff and he's got always got a big salary. But in ESPN a long time.