Best friends Teale Wang, the “Color Queen,” and voice actor Carolyn Lawrence, Sandy Cheeks, reminisce about the early years of the show, including how Teale hand-created the colors for every character by mixing paint. From the Pantone award-winning “SpongeBob Yellow” to the notorious “Nickelodeon Orange,” Teale invented colors that shaped childhoods around the world.
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I had this moment when I was laying his clothes out for preschool, getting everything ready for his day, and making sure his top matches bottom and roll and change the clote. And I got to work and I did the same thing for SpongeBob, and I thought, Oh my god, I'm SpongeBob's mother. I mother. Welcome to SpongeBob binge Pants, Nickelodeon's official podcast about all things SpongeBob. I'm Hector Navarro and I'm Frankie Granding. So, guys, if I sound a little bit differently on this episode, it is because I'm recording from my house in Boca Raton, Florida, because I'm here visiting my grandmother. I like to come every six weeks. She's years old, and I am just here to hang out with her. And so that's why it sounds a little bit differently than it does in my home studio. But I am so excited for this interview that is coming up. So we have our first repeat guest. Carolyne Lawrence, the amazing actors who play Sandy Cheek, is rejoining us with her best friend Tel Wang, who is the color Queen of the SpongeBob universe. I am thrilled because I don't know that most fans of the show really know what she did and what her job entails. Can't wait to talk about it, can't wait to see Caroline Lawrence again. So let's get right into it. Here we go, Frankie, I'm so excited because this is the first time we're interviewing two folks at the same time, too, incredibly pivotal people in the world of SpongeBob SquarePants. We have the voice of Sandy Cheeks, Caroline Lawrence, and we also have the Color Queen of the SpongeBob Universe, Teal Wang. Thank you both so much for being here. This is fantastic. Welcome to the show, and welcome back, Caroline. Thank you so tell us what you've done to deserve the title of Color Queen in the SpongeBob Universe. I'm the longest, oldest, what however you want to put it? Person there at Nickelodeon, I think there's a handful of us, but I've been there NonStop since the very beginning. Um, but even way before that, I kind of had the title because you are the color supervisor. So of the SpongeBob beaters, like yes, I'm the color supervisor on sponge What does that mean? What do you do? Like? That? Sounds so crazy and cool to me. I kind of like to keep it like that. Nobody knows this way, they don't ask too many questions, and I get to live my life. It's all good. I work with the background that the my art director and the background painters, and basically anything that moves in a cartoon is me. So the world is painted and then anything that moves, all the effects, all the characters have to be stylized color styles. So that's what I do. That's amazing, Okay, but I have to chime in. So back in the day before computerized color, she was she was actually mixing the paints and choosing the color. Right. So the color of SpongeBob was hand created by miss TiO wank. So this is where we are here. Why bring her? It was the Pantone color of the years, and she who She's like the mad scientist who came up with the exact yellow. Well, yes, yes that's true. I mean SpongeBob existed before the computer. Right. So in my office, um, I had a wall of paint behind me, right, and I have little swatches and then we were upstairs in the building on the third floor, and I had all these people that worked in the department, and I would mark things up like a maniac, you know, like paint this oh to seven and this would be everything had like a line and uh. And I'd hand it out to my painters and then they would spend the day inching and painting and they'd bring it back and I put little swatches in and come up. It was a lot, and but it was awesome. It was really awesome. And I can remember, like when the computer was introduced, I'm like, this is never gonna work. Is it because you yourself are not a tech savvy person or is it because your job and the artistry of your job. You're like, it's not going to be able to translate both of those things. They have no interest in being tech savvy. So that's number one. And the second I really didn't think that in the beginning. You know, it's so different, like if you see SpongeBob, like when it was on sale, inked and painted, which I would ink and bring them on cell they look so different. There's like a hand, there's a grain nous to it. There's like you see paint there's differences, whereas now it's just it's a computer. And I thought, well, this is never going to fly. And the way Steve's genius was around this was keep painting the backgrounds. First of all, cartoons are not done like that anymore. There are no painted backgrounds like that, right, and SpongeBob continues to be the only hold out that is still done like that. And he's like, look, as long as we can keep the backgrounds like that, you'll be fine. Everything will be fine, and he was right. As always he was right. So yeah, that's amazing and we've talked about that on the show before. It is an amazing thing that SpongeBob is still the one and it is. It is evident to me. And because of how gorgeous and how beautiful and how lush the car, the cartoon not only has remained, but it's I think it's evolved into a beautiful, more beautiful, even more rich, colorful world where like you've really taken us to the next phase and evolution of SpongeBob. And now the Patrick show, you know, like wow, is that my goodness? And interesting? Like Camp Coral is another one. I can remember um sitting with Steve at what he did the first movie right, and I was out of screening at Paramount and it was the first time that I saw those backgrounds painted on the big like and it took my breath away, like the first time I see it like on the big screen like that, and I was literally took my breath away that you felt like you were in a bikini bottoms somehow, and it's it's incredible, It's an incredible thing. And you know, I'm so lucky. I still I'm you know, I've been at Nickelodeon. I was actually texted Jenny to get my dates right, Jenny Monica the producer. Yes, yes, she's now our VP. We talked to Jenny. She's amazing. You and I are like the same, Like we've done panels together, and I get like really sometimes can get really nervous, and then I always have Vince Waller will like jump in and save me, which is what she's she's my um. But so Jenny like, we're my did me like yeah? The pilot of SpongeBob was right, and it aired in nineteen nights a long time ago. And this is my little tidbit. So aside from being the color Queen. This is like, you're going to get the school the Hot Boiling team. I was like one of the only people on the crew that had a kid, and so Kaide was three years old, right, And I had this moment when I was laying his clothes out for preschool, getting everything ready for his day and making sure his top match his bottom, and Roland changed the clothes and I got to work and I did the same thing for SpongeBob and I thought, oh my god, SpongeBob mother. I just freaking mother. And I went into Steve's office and I said, Steve, I had this, like my mind exploded. He's like, well, he goes, I'm SpongeBob's mother, and he's you are you are so the color Queen of Nickelodeon, because I do many other things Nickelodeon related, but I am I take claim to SpongeBob's mother full on. That is so beautiful, and I love him in that way. I do love SpongeBob in that I'm incredibly You can ask anybody on any of the shows that we're doing now the Patrick, any of them. I'm so protective of SpongeBob to this day. You know, like when a bad word comes not not that there's bad words, but when a questionable word comes through in a pitch or I'm like, no, my boy would not say that, you know. And I'm like really like incredibly protective of not so much all the other characters. For some SpongeBob, especially because he I just feel like he needs a mom. He meets his mom. What's so funny is frank and I were also rewatching the early episodes of season one. We're gonna watch rewatch all of season one and fingers crossed we can go beyond That is the episode we just watched his Frankie's favorite episode, Home Sweet Pineapple, and it's the first time we meet SpongeBob's mom and dad. At the end of the episode, it's Harold and Margaret. And now I'm thinking, why didn't they name Margaret Teal? They just should have named Margaret Teal. That's what they should have done. What I wouldn't have allowed that he doesn't let anyone use her name. I got pregnant. I asked, because I thought all that would be amazing because she's the godfather to my girls. And I was like, I mean, godmother, godfa godmother, godfather godfather. Right. No, no, I'm not all right, that's the whole Another thing I'm like incredibly like protective and weird about my name. Yeah, no, is it your chosen name or is it your given name? No, it was, it's my name. It's really my name. And you just happened to become the color Queen and given a name parents. Her parents somehow knew. I want to know about your two relationship together. I want to know that you guys have been best friends for you telling me about tell me the whole story. So Carolyn, you know, we all know love, you know, Sandy Cheeks. So, as a person on the crew in production on the show back in the day, I'm starting to sweat now. Back in the day, she's one of the only cast members that would make her way into production. She wanted to meet everybody and see what everybody and Tom obviously Tom Kenny because he was always there for every pitch and you know, he was always there. But Carolyn was like, she wanted to meet everybody. So Carolyn, we would get so excited. Right, you're working on this show that's you know, great to work on. But now it's like starting to get famous and people is like a lot of excitement and then walks Sandy Cheeks and we're all like, it's Sandy Cheeks, you know, we all we all became friends with Carol and then you were actually closer with Jenny Monica at the time. And I put together, um, a little bit of a Nickelodeon boxing team because I'm from New York and I used to box when I lived in New York and I loved it. That's amazing. And there was a boxing gym down the street from Nickelodeon, and I really wanted a box So I put together like six or seven girls from the studio and it would rotate, but there was a core. There was me and Carolyn and Jenny and Farness who was the creator of shimmern Shine us four and then they'd be like three or four rotating in and out along and we did it for years years, Oh my gosh. And after we would box, which was awesome, we would go for pizza. Of course, what do you do to work it off? And then you eat it. So when you two are hanging out, are you talking about work? When you're hanging out in the real world, are you talking about SpongeBob and the job well, there's two things, Okay, my best friend, right, So obviously we we have more we have like life and children and pan demics and things. But we definitely do talk work. We definitely do so. Like you know, like any job, there are things that are frustrating, and you know, there's always the things that that come up, and you need to have a person that you can completely trust and know that you can vent to. Well, a lot of people don't know that, even working in something as amazing as animation, you can be stressed. I mean sometimes people don't. They don't get it. So it is nice to have a sounding like like in the beginning, you said, what do you do? Most people don't know what I do? And then like she said, most people are like, it's a cartoon, and it is, but it's incredibly stressful because it's still production. You still have deadlines, still have to be we've heard about them on this show. And you know, not everything that I do everybody loves. It's those days are over. It used to be like that where whatever I did, everybody well. In any creative yield, right, any creative you're putting part of your soul out there a little bit, yes, like literally every day is kind of your baby, and so it can be hard. It can be hard when you feel like somebody's understanding that it's the same way. We both care so deeply about everything, Like we care about the brand, and we care about the future, and we care about respecting Steve, and we care about we just care about all of it all the time. There is not another show out there that I'd rather be on then I'm the third years later. Yeah, until you worked on Let's talk about this for a second. Some of the earlier Nickelodeon stuff you were on Rent and Stimpy Cat Dog, Hey Arnold from the beginning, those are fantastic shows. What was that experience like, uh, you know, and what was what was the what was the vibe at Nickelodeon like at the time before and sort of after SpongeBob. Well, the buy back then was amazing. I mean it was incredible. You know, there was not um you just got. It was like a free for all you could just do. I had ideas and you did them and it was great, every every one of them. You know, working with Craig on Hey Arnold was incredible. Working on Rend and Spy was probably had the most influence on my career for sure. I just I got schooled in ways and in color and in color theory and in all things creative in huge ways that that still carried me to this day. And I think Steve saw that in all the people that he brought on from Rent and Stimpy, and he knew that, and he hand picked his people and he brought us knowing that we you know, it was not an easy road, that Rent and Stimpy road. That was not easy, but it was really really, it was amazing, and Steve saw something there and then brought that into SpongeBob. Before this show, a couple of years ago, I hosted a show called Style Code Live, and I talked it was all fashion and beauty, and we talked about the Pantone colors all the time, and we would sit and we would be very excited. How about when the panto and Color of the Year would come out and then you would see everyone and then Nicole Kidman was all of a sudden wearing at the Pantone Color of the Year on the red carpet for the Emmys. I we think it's a magical factory of these random elves that picked these colors and we have absolutely no idea how it's done, but the fact that you created one that is so exciting to me. Tell me about your Pantone color of the year. Was it SpongeBob yellow? What was it called SpongeBob yellow? No way, no way. So when you're creating a color for a character like like a SpongeBob, like a squid word like that, very interesting kind of green that you came up with, Like, how do you go about doing that? Okay? So with SpongeBob, Steve came into my office and said, I want him to be a kitchen sponge. Right, So obviously I thought a pink sponge, you know, not. I didn't want to just here's your yellow sponge. So we tried different things and obviously, you know, pink was weird and green looked sick. He did get green when he got the SuDS, right, he gets like a blue green um, and Steve was always he's yellow, he's yellow, he's yellow. There's so many yellows. There's green yellows, there's orange yellows. There's there's so many yellows. So to nail that down, I can remember was weeks with Nick Jennings and swatches and because it was before the computer, and you know, I nailed it down with Nick Nick and I and then we showed it to Steve and he's like that SpongeBob yellow. That one wasn't so hard. Actually for me, squid Wood was the hard one. Really well, it's a very interesting color. And Steve wasn't. He didn't SpongeBob. He was He's yellow. That was it. It was like, find the yellow. But he wasn't moving on him being anything other than you. I think with the other characters, he didn't care so much. He was like, you do what you want to do. So with squid Word, you know, Mr Crabs was given right. Plankton was kind of a given you were kind of a given um. But squid Word, you know, he was purple. I made him purple, like a kind of muted grade purple e color. And there are cells of him. I have cells of him, and the Internet has found cells of him. I love these stories. It appeared in an episode somewhere. I don't know. I don't know how fans find things out, but they found out about me struggling with squid word bring and they found it. They found a cell of it. Anyway, So that was me trying to work out if he should be purple or green. And in the realm of green like yellow, there's a million greens. Because we didn't want him to be like Christmas ey or, so he's very green, he's very gray. Down he's like that. He's mixed between a gray and a green. And I don't know the green stuck because it went better with his little suction things. I made his suction things purple and that's how it turned out. But yeah, he could have very easily been purple. Wow, that's unbelievable one. It's my hardest one. And when I say hard ones, we're not talking about like now I can change something like in a second. On computer. Then it was like mix it painted, let it dry, do it again, inc another cell, Like it could take days, remember a formula. And I'm sure you were also comparing those painted experiments with like, okay, now we have to compare it to the background, and how does it look in the you know, how does it look compared to the other characters, And so there's there's so many things that in the pre digital age you had to do. And then tell us about Sandy Cheeks. You said it was kind of a given, is it? Because SpongeBob and squid World were more sort of surreal characters, but Sandy was almost like a little bit more realistic. Is what they were going for. It was she was going to be Squirrel Brown. She was going to always be the realistic one. And it's funny because now, and like you talk about me being protective of SpongeBob, oh my god, you should see me with her. Holy I'm trying to look at the characters from my you know, first from paint, then from now computer and now I've got to go into the CG world and get the colors right. And it's difficult. And she was my hardest because again, I'm so protective and a lot of times in the beginning of Camp Coral not so much anymore. But when she was they were working her out, she was looking to mean to me or she was looking like she had a five o'clock shadow, and she she would call me to me like she's not cute enough, She's gotta be cute. So yeah, so all bets are off with me and the Sandy one, because yeah, it's not Yeah, I'm the protective of SpongeBob, but yeah, I could go to bad big time. I love it. I love that. Part of your job is like, well, I'm Sandy cheeks mom also, so I have to make sure she's taken care of her best friends, Sandy got you and Sponge. But I've got to say the guys on Camp Carl were like so amazing about that. They wanted me in the room. They wanted me in every meeting because they wanted to know if her if she should be cuter or softer, or they want They wanted all that, so that was great. Did you have a limited range of colors that you could choose from in the CG world or is it just as as crazy as you can make it? Yeah, that's another problem because it's infinity. Yeah. Wow, my job now is pretty much infinity. I can do anything on the computer. Wow. Have you discovered more new colors? Are their colors? We haven't seen yet? Tell because I would like to see all the colors. So if you have you invented? Yeah, this is a little tibot for you. Back and Red and Simpy, I like behind. I think it's in my garage actually right now. But I had like this big styrofoam like you know, wall whatever and on. It had little swatches of like pantone right of all the painted chips of just red and stimpy. So when I came over to SpongeBob, I did the same thing and we created Steve and I and Nick created like a palette just to keep it because it was paid and it was not you know, I don't know, maybe a hundred and fifty colors that was SpongeBob related. And so to this day on my computer, there's still this little like window among millions of colors that's just SpongeBob that has remained. I want, I want to please, and so I tried to this day, even though I have every color available to me, I still work in that little window of a hundred and fifty colors, obviously, because I have everything available to me. If I'm getting stumped, I go out and I do whatever I want to do. But I basically really just work within that frames. Unbelievable. Are you the woman behind Nickelodeon Orange? You know what? Yeah? No, not the slime green, but I definitely did. Yeah, I was the I don't want to claim that because somebody else will probably, but I do remember picking the pantone for the Nickelodeon Rangy. But someone else will probably take claim for that. I'm sure an executive somewhere. They're not on this podcast. Yeah, we're talking to the color queen today. Yeah, No, for sure. I remember picking that orange back. Yeah. When I was a kid, I had no idea that all these jobs, all these careers were even an option. Can I tell you something. I went back to New York to visit a dear friend of mine. Oh my gosh, she's gonna love that. She's in the podcast anyway. Her husband is her husband as a doctor, surgeon, whatever. And we were at dinner and he was taking they were taking me around into you see me to their friends and they were like normal people, you know, doctors and lawyers and people with normal jobs. Boring and he told them, no, they're not blowing their fabulous but they were all like you do what And I he was like, yeah, they're like people. What people do that? It was completely like blew their minds that they were that these kind of jobs actually exist. Al Right, So Caroline, questions for you in the actual world. When you originally made the sand the Sandy Voice, did you have a color picture to work on. Did you see sandy and color. They did give me a picture, but I don't know that she was colored. I feel like she was outlined. She probably was. I think she was just a black and white outline. I just remember the description was that she was a squirrel. Obviously, it was a scientist, and uh, she was smart and she liked karate. I think it listed those things, you know, and that she was from Texas. UM and all I remember was I get excited, and when I'm excited, when I'm working, I get I'm too fast. And all I remember is Steve just constantly wanted her to slow down. And I was like, squirrels are not slow. This is one thing I will you on. Squirrels are not I cannot sit down, he used. He used to hold up a sign that said slow down. You know, it wasn't in my wheelhouse of how I felt is her. I had a really hard time. Yeah, did you um pull ideas from actual like the marine life? Did you do any like sort of like into the ocean? Oh god, yeah, Steve would come in, Little Steve Hillenburg would walk into my office with the gigantic like massive you know, biology books and oceanography books and you know surfing books and I would sit at my desk. I still do actually when I when I'm at work, if i'm if I'm looking to keep something, I open up a book and I find a fish, and I find a coral, and I find what color goes with that. That's why it works so well, because it's real, you know what I mean. So, like, if I'm doing like whatever I'm keating, it's because I've opened up the page to that book of the coral reef, and I'm pulling all the colors from that one specific reef, and it all works because nature kind of just does, and so I don't have to ever really worry about it. Yeah, that's exactly how I work. That's amazing. It comes through to me. I'm a scuba diver. I spent a lot of my time under the under the water. You know. Interesting though, like it looks a lot better on your show because once you get far down in the ocean, you can't see red anymore because the ocean absorbs the color. So the further down you get, it's basically just looks like gray. So it's really nice to see the actual colors that you bring to life. But yeah, that yes, because the wavelength of the water spectrum um the red doesn't penetrate. So that's why because you see, like if you're down there, you don't see the coals look gray, SpongeBob colored afterwards. SpongeBob is so iconic that till you have created actual real life disappointment in nature is what Frankie's describing. He has been disappointed in nature because it doesn't look as good as bikini bottom. And you know what else I love too that I think is so interesting is that whether or not it's I don't know if this is in your background at all, Teal, but I would love to know. But like, just from the advertising marketing side of things, SpongeBob yellow is so great for marketing that Nickelodeon orange is so great for Like these are things that are you taking that into account when you're picking these colors knowing like, well, it should be iconic, like it's gonna sell merchandise, Like is that part of what you're thinking is well, when you're coming up with what works best for the show and the creativity of the show, Well, Frankie want to backpack in this color? I mean, I don't think that far ahead. I don't but uh, you know, I can even remember working with Steve on um merchandizing stuff when he had to say in merchandising, then yes I did. But when I'm doing the daily, my job, my the cartoon, you know, the eleven minutes, I'm not thinking about is this going to end up on a tea shirt? Maybe I should know. But you know what's cool, you guys, I think is the fact that the artistry behind, like the brilliance of just letting a creative person do their art is what pops is what makes merchandizing happen. And I think where a lot of companies go wrong is they're working the other direction. They're thinking too hard about what will sell instead of concentrating on the art itself. Caroline, last time, last time you were talking to us, you talked about how the first time you saw some SpongeBob stuff at a target was That's when you were like, this show is a big deal. This is when it's big till have you ever seen have you ever seen some some SpongeBob stuff in the wild and gone? They didn't get the color right, They did not get that color right. Thank god, you're not in charge of it, right because that would be just an entire other empire of things that you would have to do. I would love to know, you know, we we we have continued to mention the consistency of this show, the quality at every level, at the storytelling level, the color level. Have there been small changes to those iconic colors that you guys started with all those years ago? Have there been changes in that sort of design? Where do those changes come from? Has anything changed over twenty years in the color of SpongeBob? You know, obviously things have evolved because when when we started with Steve, this is like a funny thing, like he really wanted every character, every prop to have black outlines. He wasn't like a big fan of color inc except for like little tiny touches, like it would be a tongue or it would be like one line. And as the years have progressed, it's gotten more colorful, where like I think on Camp Coral, the entire every there are no there's hardly black lines. Everything is inked. So it has definitely progressed, um and become more colorful in that way. Um. But that's the most example I could think of, the biggest example I could think of, I think Patrick has more colors. It just looks like it today. Is that true that Patrick, like you, maybe you've packed more into each frame. Is that possible that the Patrick's Show, Patrick Star Show definitely does have because the backgrounds are a completely different you know thing. It's with water. And I remember when they when Mark and Vince were coming up with this. Mark's thing was, it's I wanted wacky. This is really wacky. Don't like think about this like you think through SpongeBob and he like, think of it like a clown car. Think of it like this is in Patrick's brain. So there's a whole lot going on, and so a little challenging for me. Well, it looks great. It does look great. But in the beginning I was like, oh my god, this is clashing and this is what he does. This is hard and but it does look great, I gotta say. And actually this show surprised me. Yeah, it surprised me. Actually, I guess what I'm finding out with all these years at Nickelodeon. I don't like change, and so when change happens, I'm like, it's that gonna work. And then do you still have an iPhone one? Have you never upgraded? To it. Okay, Okay, I would love to ask you both, um, something that is not in your job technically, but I believe that you, of all of the people on the planet, would know more than most what is, in your opinion, the thing, the secret, the key to making a great, perfect SpongeBob story. Oh, I have one word in my opinion, simplicity, sympolis and she took my word together I know to three and she's right about that because on all asked for for me. Okay, So in production, the simpler shows are just such a joy to work on, right, Um, But I find them funny. I find them funny, and they have so much they have so much heart. And so that would have been my second word for SpongeBob. Heart. You know, it's it doesn't have heart. It's a different cartoon. It's it's not this. It's fine, but it's not this show. So yeah, the simple stories of my favorite. But they're also that's they're so relatable, those simple stories that we all we all have those moments all day every day, you know, and the relationships are so real, and it's that that grounding and heart that you're talking about. Like when I look at SpongeBob and Sandy. I'm like, I have that person in my life, and I have to look at SpongeBob and Patrick. I have that person in my life. It's so real. I've got to just say, like, really, SpongeBob has been obviously so great. I'm just so grateful for SpongeBob in my life. But it's it's the relationships right from this show, and not just with her. I mean obviously my relationship with her and her children and our families, but with all of the people. It's just it's a huge part of my life. All these relationships are huge in my life. That's what Caroline said when we talked to Caroline. Yeah, it's incredible that this one cartoon it became like so important in my life like this, it's crazy, but that I think that's part of the And I think I said this before the Steve's brilliant Steve's brilliance wasn't just art, his brilliance with the bringing those people together. Think it's a little scary, It is a little frightening how gifted he was. It's seeing people and non think about it. You go back in time before SpongeBob, before it was before it was anything. It was just an idea in his head. I think he actually saw this ahead and I really think he put people together for a specific reason, knowing an outcome. And it's a little frightening really if you really think about that, right right, that kind of brilliant. So it really feels like a family that has been kind of etched into some sort of like stones. So great. Thank you so much for being on our show, and thank you for bringing the love, the light and the attention to detail that you both do to your craft and to the universe that we have all come to fall in love with over the years. Thank you, guys. Yeah, oh you're welcome. You guys, guys, thank you so much. We love you. This is a big day for us, you say. That's all everybody I know. Oh my god, Frankie, that was too much fun. What a delight they both were. To see their friendship like play out before our eyes was so nice and it is wonderful that someone from the acting side did cross over and to go meet the production people and it resulted in a lifelong friendship. I think that is so so beautiful. It's so beautiful. It's so SpongeBob Frankie, it's pure SpongeBob. And as we've been learning, right Stephen Hillenberg, he got these people together. He recruited these wonderful people, and it wasn't just to make the best creative cartoon that they could, but these people who can work together and and have now been working together in some cases for twenty plus years, and that they were just so funny together. So huge thanks to Carolyn Lawrence and Tia Wang for spending some of their afternoon with us. It looked like they were having a good time. I'm sure they're going to keep having a great rest of their afternoon and uh and so will Frankie and I. Guys, if you like this episode, let us know, get us some feedback. What was your favorite part of the interview? What was something that you learned that you didn't know before? Until next time, don't forget to follow the podcast so that you never miss an episode. Thank you Agains so much for listening, and we'll see you guys next time on SpongeBob bench Pants. Bye bye, guys,