It can be easy to make jokes about the split realities of the “Portlandia” sketch you could make out of those images, and the scene President Trump describes when he talks about the Rose City- a place, quote, “where they kill people and destroy the city.”

But, with an appeals court ruling this week clearing the way for Oregon National Guard troops to deploy to Portland – what are things like in the city right now?

And what can we learn from the people attempting to find common ground between the realities described by Portlanders, and the dire tales spun by our President?

Guest

Anna Griffin, Pacific Northwest bureau chief, New York Times

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