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Welcome to the Monday edition of Balance of Power on Bloomberg Radio, on the satellite and on YouTube. Where you can find us right now search Bloomberg Global News. We have a lot to talk about. I hope you had a great weekend because we have a lot to catch up on here from the presidential campaign. New numbers coming from Kamala Harris that are I popping two hundred million dollars since Joe Biden endorsed her last Sunday. Matter of fact, if you just stop down here and think for a minute about what has happened in the last two weeks, you might lose your breath. We're going to be spending some time with Don Levy from Siena College. Remember he was out with the first numbers on this race last week after Joe Biden dropped out. The Sage at Siena College will join with Remarkable News as well abroad, and this comes on the heels of Donald Trump speaking at the Crypto Conference. We were watching an election over the weekend alongside the Olympics. We were watching an election in Venezuela. And now a redhead on the terminal Venezuela, SOB says, Machado is suspect of electoral sabotage. We're going to get into this a little bit later on here with real questions about whether Maduro in fact won that election fairly. And then there's Israel. This is something that with all of the other news swirling around here, has not gotten enough attention. As Israel, weis this response to this attack and the goal on Heights and whether to open a new front essentially, or to wage a new war against Hesbalah. And that's where we start our conversation now with Ian Marlow, Bloomberg's senior reporter with his eye on geopolitics for US. Ian, it's great to see you. Welcome Anthony Blincoln, warning that this could very quickly spin out of control if Israel in fact decides to declare war against Hesbelah. Talk to us about the delicate nature of this moment and when we might know Tel Aviv's and Jerusalem's intentions here.

Welcome to the Monday edition of Balance of Power on Bloomberg Radio, on the satellite and on YouTube. Where you can find us right now search Bloomberg Global News. We have a lot to talk about. I hope you had a great weekend because we have a lot to catch up on here from the presidential campaign. New numbers coming from Kamala Harris that are I popping two hundred million dollars since Joe Biden endorsed her last Sunday. Matter of fact, if you just stop down here and think for a minute about what has happened in the last two weeks, you might lose your breath. We're going to be spending some time with Don Levy from Siena College. Remember he was out with the first numbers on this race last week after Joe Biden dropped out. The Sage at Siena College will join with Remarkable News as well abroad, and this comes on the heels of Donald Trump speaking at the Crypto Conference. We were watching an election over the weekend alongside the Olympics. We were watching an election in Venezuela. And now a redhead on the terminal Venezuela, SOB says, Machado is suspect of electoral sabotage. We're going to get into this a little bit later on here with real questions about whether Maduro in fact won that election fairly. And then there's Israel. This is something that with all of the other news swirling around here, has not gotten enough attention. As Israel, weis this response to this attack and the goal on Heights and whether to open a new front essentially, or to wage a new war against Hesbalah. And that's where we start our conversation now with Ian Marlow, Bloomberg's senior reporter with his eye on geopolitics for US. Ian, it's great to see you. Welcome Anthony Blincoln, warning that this could very quickly spin out of control if Israel in fact decides to declare war against Hesbelah. Talk to us about the delicate nature of this moment and when we might know Tel Aviv's and Jerusalem's intentions here.

Yeah, this is something we've seen. Over the course of the war. Hesbolah on the Northern Front has been keeping up the pressure on Israel, and this so far both sides have managed to avoid the sort of escalation that everyone has feared with most of the you know, most of the carnage and tragedy happening down in Gaza. This is is obviously an exception to This is something I think no one in the US, Israel, or probably even Hesbola and maybe even Iran wanted to see. It's hard to see this strike on on kids, you know, twelve dead being something that's strategic or in Hesbelah's interest. And obviously, the last time Israel and Hesbelah tangled, you know, it didn't go well for Hesbelah, it didn't go well for Southern Route. So this is something that I think the US has been focused on making sure that Israel keeps a lid on the northern Front. There's a lot of heated rhetoric, especially from the far right, who have wanted to expand the war in Gaza to the northern Front. Yes, right, obviously there's a bunch of people displaced from northern Israel and they want to get those people back, and these types of attacks mean that that's impossible right now. And then I put a lot of pressure on Israel to do something.

Yeah, this is something we've seen. Over the course of the war. Hesbolah on the Northern Front has been keeping up the pressure on Israel, and this so far both sides have managed to avoid the sort of escalation that everyone has feared with most of the you know, most of the carnage and tragedy happening down in Gaza. This is is obviously an exception to This is something I think no one in the US, Israel, or probably even Hesbola and maybe even Iran wanted to see. It's hard to see this strike on on kids, you know, twelve dead being something that's strategic or in Hesbelah's interest. And obviously, the last time Israel and Hesbelah tangled, you know, it didn't go well for Hesbelah, it didn't go well for Southern Route. So this is something that I think the US has been focused on making sure that Israel keeps a lid on the northern Front. There's a lot of heated rhetoric, especially from the far right, who have wanted to expand the war in Gaza to the northern Front. Yes, right, obviously there's a bunch of people displaced from northern Israel and they want to get those people back, and these types of attacks mean that that's impossible right now. And then I put a lot of pressure on Israel to do something.

Well, you put that in great context. It's started to feel like maybe things were cooling on the northern border here where there's been continuous shelling for months and months. I mean, how you kind of frame what is a war and what is not is its own question right now. But what is Benjamin Ettnya who considering in terms of options? And if in fact Israel did make a pronounced strike against Hesbelah, would that not draw Iran into the fight?

Well, you put that in great context. It's started to feel like maybe things were cooling on the northern border here where there's been continuous shelling for months and months. I mean, how you kind of frame what is a war and what is not is its own question right now. But what is Benjamin Ettnya who considering in terms of options? And if in fact Israel did make a pronounced strike against Hesbelah, would that not draw Iran into the fight?

Yeah, it's a great question. I think there's already been a couple of sort of targeted strikes deeper inside Lebanon, and those were sort of aimed at weapons cachets and things. It's not clear. I mean, that's obviously not the main response. They're still pledging and looking into some kind of much bigger response. I mean, Israel has a sort of retaliation calculus when it comes to, you know, losing their civilians versus what sort of you know, fatalities they want to inflict on the enemies around them. And I think that's really worrying for US officials who are trying to keep this, you know, tamped down while they pursue cease fire negotiations, you know, with Israel and Hamas, which is sort of a separate issue. But right now, I think there's probably going to be a lot of pressure growing on Netanyahu. He himself has you know, spoken out harshly in terms of the retaliation he's promised. Yes, So we're potentially looking at probably air strikes of some kind, whether they go into Beirut, whether they're aimed at leaders or sort of Hasbala installations. It's kind of yet to be seen. So I think everyone right now is sort of just waiting, you know, waiting to see what sort of shaped this takes.

Yeah, it's a great question. I think there's already been a couple of sort of targeted strikes deeper inside Lebanon, and those were sort of aimed at weapons cachets and things. It's not clear. I mean, that's obviously not the main response. They're still pledging and looking into some kind of much bigger response. I mean, Israel has a sort of retaliation calculus when it comes to, you know, losing their civilians versus what sort of you know, fatalities they want to inflict on the enemies around them. And I think that's really worrying for US officials who are trying to keep this, you know, tamped down while they pursue cease fire negotiations, you know, with Israel and Hamas, which is sort of a separate issue. But right now, I think there's probably going to be a lot of pressure growing on Netanyahu. He himself has you know, spoken out harshly in terms of the retaliation he's promised. Yes, So we're potentially looking at probably air strikes of some kind, whether they go into Beirut, whether they're aimed at leaders or sort of Hasbala installations. It's kind of yet to be seen. So I think everyone right now is sort of just waiting, you know, waiting to see what sort of shaped this takes.

Right the administration the US has made clear that there are going to be limits to our involvement if in fact this does cross over the northern border. John Kirby said earlier today at the White House, I saw a headline on the terminal that there is no sunlight between Joe Biden and Kamala Harris when it comes to our policy in Israel. Joe Biden will still be the president obviously for the next many months, I Kamala Harris did win. Would we see a difference in this relationship.

Right the administration the US has made clear that there are going to be limits to our involvement if in fact this does cross over the northern border. John Kirby said earlier today at the White House, I saw a headline on the terminal that there is no sunlight between Joe Biden and Kamala Harris when it comes to our policy in Israel. Joe Biden will still be the president obviously for the next many months, I Kamala Harris did win. Would we see a difference in this relationship.

It's a really interesting question because the Middle East is the one area of foreign policy that people have pointed out. You know, when you look at Kamala Harris's statement since the war began, she's always been a little bit out in front of where Biden has been with the rhetoric, with the sort of pressure on Israel, sort of emphasizing policy and civilian casualties and the rest of it. So, you know, but when it comes to policy, they've been in lockstep, and she's part of the administration, so it's hard to see, you know, at least in the moment, especially with Biden' Still.

It's a really interesting question because the Middle East is the one area of foreign policy that people have pointed out. You know, when you look at Kamala Harris's statement since the war began, she's always been a little bit out in front of where Biden has been with the rhetoric, with the sort of pressure on Israel, sort of emphasizing policy and civilian casualties and the rest of it. So, you know, but when it comes to policy, they've been in lockstep, and she's part of the administration, so it's hard to see, you know, at least in the moment, especially with Biden' Still.

It was an interesting element last week with her talking, saying almost word for word the same things that Joe Biden has been saying, but having them being interpreted very differently from her supporters. I guess it's something that we'll keep an eye on them.

It was an interesting element last week with her talking, saying almost word for word the same things that Joe Biden has been saying, but having them being interpreted very differently from her supporters. I guess it's something that we'll keep an eye on them.

Yeah, and the Israelis also were very upset.

Yeah, and the Israelis also were very upset.

By her that right. Yeah, even though we've heard the same statements from Joe Biden. Ian Marlow covering some pretty heavy stuff for us here. Bloomberg Senior reporter. Great to see me, and thank you for joining us on balance of power, something that we're going to keep tabs on for you here both Venezuela and Israel as we follow this presidential race, coming off another rambunctious weekend veepsteaks playing out on Sunday morning, Donald Trump promising to fire Gary Gensler in his crypto speech over the weekend. That's something that's been reverberating here a bit in Washington. And then of course just the lay of the land. I remind you where we were here it was what so today's Monday. Two weeks ago j d Vance was announced as Donald Trump's running mate. Two weeks in a day it was or I guess two days the assassination attempt. This has been unfolding so quickly. A week ago yesterday, Joe Biden dropped out of the presidential race. And now look at the campaign by the numbers here, Kamala Harris pulling in more than two hundred million dollars since last Sunday. A weekend fundraiser here helped to do a little more in the Berkshires, but two thirds of the hall coming from first time donors. I believe it was sixty six percent. These are remarkable numbers. One hundred and seventy thousand new volunteers since last Sunday, and so we've got a lot of noise out there and clearly a big shift in the race that we want to talk about with Don Levy. He's back with us, director of the Siena College Research Institute. Don, your poll is still reverberating from last week. You were the first credible poll to come out after Joe Biden dropped out of the race. As an experienced a political hand and polster like yourself, are you amazed by what's happened in the last week? Put it in context for.

By her that right. Yeah, even though we've heard the same statements from Joe Biden. Ian Marlow covering some pretty heavy stuff for us here. Bloomberg Senior reporter. Great to see me, and thank you for joining us on balance of power, something that we're going to keep tabs on for you here both Venezuela and Israel as we follow this presidential race, coming off another rambunctious weekend veepsteaks playing out on Sunday morning, Donald Trump promising to fire Gary Gensler in his crypto speech over the weekend. That's something that's been reverberating here a bit in Washington. And then of course just the lay of the land. I remind you where we were here it was what so today's Monday. Two weeks ago j d Vance was announced as Donald Trump's running mate. Two weeks in a day it was or I guess two days the assassination attempt. This has been unfolding so quickly. A week ago yesterday, Joe Biden dropped out of the presidential race. And now look at the campaign by the numbers here, Kamala Harris pulling in more than two hundred million dollars since last Sunday. A weekend fundraiser here helped to do a little more in the Berkshires, but two thirds of the hall coming from first time donors. I believe it was sixty six percent. These are remarkable numbers. One hundred and seventy thousand new volunteers since last Sunday, and so we've got a lot of noise out there and clearly a big shift in the race that we want to talk about with Don Levy. He's back with us, director of the Siena College Research Institute. Don, your poll is still reverberating from last week. You were the first credible poll to come out after Joe Biden dropped out of the race. As an experienced a political hand and polster like yourself, are you amazed by what's happened in the last week? Put it in context for.

Us, Well, everything changed very quickly. I mean we immediately went into the field last Monday to get a pulse on a nation, and certainly we see an amazing change. You know, what had pulled to about a six point advantage for former President Trump over President Biden is now really a dead heat. You know, we looked at it in a national poll. We have Trump up by one over Harris. However, it's even closer than that when we look at voters on their first pass when we asked them the question, and we have RFK and other third party candidates in the race.

Us, Well, everything changed very quickly. I mean we immediately went into the field last Monday to get a pulse on a nation, and certainly we see an amazing change. You know, what had pulled to about a six point advantage for former President Trump over President Biden is now really a dead heat. You know, we looked at it in a national poll. We have Trump up by one over Harris. However, it's even closer than that when we look at voters on their first pass when we asked them the question, and we have RFK and other third party candidates in the race.

Actually Harris is up by a point.

Actually Harris is up by a point.

So right now this national race has turned into one that was really looking like Trump had a very significant advantage into one that's clearly a toss up. And in fact, what we saw in our three days of polling last week that as each day went on, Harris picked up a little bit more esteem. So clearly the Democrats are very excited about being excited when they had been really, really quite unhappy with the Biden candassy. In fact, when we asked voters did the Democrats make the right decision? Did Biden make the right decision pulling out of the race, eighty seven percent of voters said absolutely, that was the right decisions.

So right now this national race has turned into one that was really looking like Trump had a very significant advantage into one that's clearly a toss up. And in fact, what we saw in our three days of polling last week that as each day went on, Harris picked up a little bit more esteem. So clearly the Democrats are very excited about being excited when they had been really, really quite unhappy with the Biden candassy. In fact, when we asked voters did the Democrats make the right decision? Did Biden make the right decision pulling out of the race, eighty seven percent of voters said absolutely, that was the right decisions.

Incredible. You and I have talked a lot about the double haters. They're a much smaller group all of a sudden, now, aren't they really?

Incredible. You and I have talked a lot about the double haters. They're a much smaller group all of a sudden, now, aren't they really?

The devil haters have shrunk. They're down now. When you look at double haters of both Trump and Harris, it's only eight percent of voters. I've got a new group for you. We're going to call them the persuadables. We talked about persuadables before. Those are voters who do not say, either Trump or Harris on the first time we offer them the horse race, thirteen percent, about one out of every eight voters fall into this persuadable. When you look at the folks who are not persuadable right now, in our most recent national poll, eighty four percent of voters are locked in their mind is made up. So we're down now to between thirteen and sixteen percent of voters who either may not show up or truly are the persuadables at this point in time, a slight advantage for Trump over Harris amongst these persuadable voters.

The devil haters have shrunk. They're down now. When you look at double haters of both Trump and Harris, it's only eight percent of voters. I've got a new group for you. We're going to call them the persuadables. We talked about persuadables before. Those are voters who do not say, either Trump or Harris on the first time we offer them the horse race, thirteen percent, about one out of every eight voters fall into this persuadable. When you look at the folks who are not persuadable right now, in our most recent national poll, eighty four percent of voters are locked in their mind is made up. So we're down now to between thirteen and sixteen percent of voters who either may not show up or truly are the persuadables at this point in time, a slight advantage for Trump over Harris amongst these persuadable voters.

Amazing, this is really good stuff. That was one in eight, right, the persuadables, right, one in eight. Fascinating to hear this.

Amazing, this is really good stuff. That was one in eight, right, the persuadables, right, one in eight. Fascinating to hear this.

Now, look at these persuadables and we ask them, can you assess these two candidates on a series of attributes, their ability to unify the country, their temperament, their intelligence, which one is a stronger leader? And there you see that these persuadables are struggling a.

Now, look at these persuadables and we ask them, can you assess these two candidates on a series of attributes, their ability to unify the country, their temperament, their intelligence, which one is a stronger leader? And there you see that these persuadables are struggling a.

Little bit far and away.

Little bit far and away.

They see former President Trump as a stronger leader. Certainly that's going to be something that I'm sure that he will stress in his campaign. He sees that as a strength and odersee that is a strainth Interestingly, on the issue of intelligence, while persuadables and voters in general field as though both candidates are intelligent, they give the nod on intelligence to Kamala Harris rather than to Donald Trump. Harris also has small advantages over Trump on empathy, her ability to care about people like the voters, and also in having the appropriate temperament to be the effective president. So clearly Harris has jumped up to be a very formidable candidate. In fact, we interesting we saw Trump get a bounce in his favorability also in this poll, up about a net six favorability. So despite the Trump bump, Harris clearly has caught him and pulled the even.

They see former President Trump as a stronger leader. Certainly that's going to be something that I'm sure that he will stress in his campaign. He sees that as a strength and odersee that is a strainth Interestingly, on the issue of intelligence, while persuadables and voters in general field as though both candidates are intelligent, they give the nod on intelligence to Kamala Harris rather than to Donald Trump. Harris also has small advantages over Trump on empathy, her ability to care about people like the voters, and also in having the appropriate temperament to be the effective president. So clearly Harris has jumped up to be a very formidable candidate. In fact, we interesting we saw Trump get a bounce in his favorability also in this poll, up about a net six favorability. So despite the Trump bump, Harris clearly has caught him and pulled the even.

Wow, all right, Don Levy with us from Sienna. There's something called momentum that she's experiencing this sort of campaign on a speed boat. That's how much has happened in the last week. And while the momentum is taking place, Don Levy, how do you pull that?

Wow, all right, Don Levy with us from Sienna. There's something called momentum that she's experiencing this sort of campaign on a speed boat. That's how much has happened in the last week. And while the momentum is taking place, Don Levy, how do you pull that?

Well?

Well?

I guess the answer to that is again and again, you know.

I guess the answer to that is again and again, you know.

Will you be in the field more often? Is that? The answer?

Will you be in the field more often? Is that? The answer?

Absolutely? I mean, we're going to be in the field quite soon now going to take a look at the key battleground states. And then typically we see a candidate get a bump after a convention. I think former President Trump got that. I think the assassination attempt yielded a slight bump. So it was just remarkable to see Harris, you know, jump into the race and pull even It's likely that Harris may very well see a bump when we go through the Democratic Convention. Then we really get down to the nitty gritty as we hit Labor Day and go through that really sprint to the finished line, where we'll be pulling almost NonStop from Labor Day until the election understood.

Absolutely? I mean, we're going to be in the field quite soon now going to take a look at the key battleground states. And then typically we see a candidate get a bump after a convention. I think former President Trump got that. I think the assassination attempt yielded a slight bump. So it was just remarkable to see Harris, you know, jump into the race and pull even It's likely that Harris may very well see a bump when we go through the Democratic Convention. Then we really get down to the nitty gritty as we hit Labor Day and go through that really sprint to the finished line, where we'll be pulling almost NonStop from Labor Day until the election understood.

And that's how you capture I guess, a moving target in that case, I don't know what they're gonna call it done, kamalamentum. I haven't heard anyone go for that yet. But you know, in that world, there's a question about the honeymoon. I think Politico calls it the sugar rush this morning. How much time does Kamala Harris have to enjoy the good feels in the media and by her supporters.

And that's how you capture I guess, a moving target in that case, I don't know what they're gonna call it done, kamalamentum. I haven't heard anyone go for that yet. But you know, in that world, there's a question about the honeymoon. I think Politico calls it the sugar rush this morning. How much time does Kamala Harris have to enjoy the good feels in the media and by her supporters.

Well, I think what.

Well, I think what.

We see is the her base is extremely excited, committed the fundraising, as you point out, has been traumatic. Now we're going to start going to war over these persuadables. Both camps are going to try to paint Harris with a certain brush and we're going to have to take a look at these persuadables, these independence in the swing states to see which way they end up going. That's going to be the ultimate decider of this election. Still, at this point in time, the momentum of the Harris campaign is impressive. You know that the Democrats had campaign really that was, you know, maybe to use a bad metaphor on life support. Now it's an entirely new campaign, and I think that this momentum will ease and then the true battle over the persuadables will take place from Labor Day right until the election.

We see is the her base is extremely excited, committed the fundraising, as you point out, has been traumatic. Now we're going to start going to war over these persuadables. Both camps are going to try to paint Harris with a certain brush and we're going to have to take a look at these persuadables, these independence in the swing states to see which way they end up going. That's going to be the ultimate decider of this election. Still, at this point in time, the momentum of the Harris campaign is impressive. You know that the Democrats had campaign really that was, you know, maybe to use a bad metaphor on life support. Now it's an entirely new campaign, and I think that this momentum will ease and then the true battle over the persuadables will take place from Labor Day right until the election.

Wo the persuadables, I could see that being like a new streaming series or something done. It's time for your million dollar moment. Great to see you, welcome back. We're always watching what Sienna is up to, and of course the great Don Levy. Thank you Don for helping our way through this campaign. Siena College Research Institute.

Wo the persuadables, I could see that being like a new streaming series or something done. It's time for your million dollar moment. Great to see you, welcome back. We're always watching what Sienna is up to, and of course the great Don Levy. Thank you Don for helping our way through this campaign. Siena College Research Institute.

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We continue to assess what continues to be history making news cycle when it comes to both the current president and of course his vice president who is running to replace him come January of twenty twenty five. And of course the other candidate in this race is former President Donald Trump. And joining us now here in studio someone who worked in the Trump White Houses, acting Chief of Staff mc mulvaney is with us. He of course, also is co founder of the Freedom Caucus as a former congressman from South Carolina, former director of the OMB. We all know you have a very long resume. Great to see you in person. Not much going on these days.

We continue to assess what continues to be history making news cycle when it comes to both the current president and of course his vice president who is running to replace him come January of twenty twenty five. And of course the other candidate in this race is former President Donald Trump. And joining us now here in studio someone who worked in the Trump White Houses, acting Chief of Staff mc mulvaney is with us. He of course, also is co founder of the Freedom Caucus as a former congressman from South Carolina, former director of the OMB. We all know you have a very long resume. Great to see you in person. Not much going on these days.

We caught up with you.

We caught up with you.

It has been a while. So much has happened in such a very short period of time, including for Donald Trump, not just a surviving an assassination attempt, then selecting JD. Vance as his vice presidential candidate.

It has been a while. So much has happened in such a very short period of time, including for Donald Trump, not just a surviving an assassination attempt, then selecting JD. Vance as his vice presidential candidate.

Happened before Busy a couple of weeks.

Happened before Busy a couple of weeks.

Joe Biden dropped out of the race, and Kamala Harris became the presumptive nominee. Knowing what you know of Donald Trump, do you think he regrets that choice or would have decided differently if he had the knowledge we now have.

Joe Biden dropped out of the race, and Kamala Harris became the presumptive nominee. Knowing what you know of Donald Trump, do you think he regrets that choice or would have decided differently if he had the knowledge we now have.

Listen, I'll preface this by saying, Look, anybody who says now they know exactly what's going to happen has been proven wrong, right, because we're way through the looking glass now and no one ever expected any of this. So if you sit here and say well absolutely X y Z, I could be proven entirely wrong tomorrow. So with that caveat, I don't think there's much chance they're even having this conversation.

Listen, I'll preface this by saying, Look, anybody who says now they know exactly what's going to happen has been proven wrong, right, because we're way through the looking glass now and no one ever expected any of this. So if you sit here and say well absolutely X y Z, I could be proven entirely wrong tomorrow. So with that caveat, I don't think there's much chance they're even having this conversation.

Here's why.

Here's why.

Let's say that that I'm Donald Trump and I'm thinking about Joe Matthew for position X.

Let's say that that I'm Donald Trump and I'm thinking about Joe Matthew for position X.

Kaylee, what do you think about Joe? You think about Joe? He's here, He's a good guy. What do you hear about him?

Kaylee, what do you think about Joe? You think about Joe? He's here, He's a good guy. What do you hear about him?

Okay, if he's asking those questions of somebody that he hasn't hired yet, it means he's thinking about hiring them. If he's asking similar questions, Kaylee, what do you think about Joe? What kind of a job is he doing.

Okay, if he's asking those questions of somebody that he hasn't hired yet, it means he's thinking about hiring them. If he's asking similar questions, Kaylee, what do you think about Joe? What kind of a job is he doing.

What are you hearing?

What are you hearing?

And he's already hired that person. That means he's thinking about firing that person. Okay, that's that's how that dynamic works. Sure, I've not heard any of that out of the Trump team.

And he's already hired that person. That means he's thinking about firing that person. Okay, that's that's how that dynamic works. Sure, I've not heard any of that out of the Trump team.

Right now.

Right now.

Trump is not asking people what do they think about JD. Evans? You know, how's he doing.

Trump is not asking people what do they think about JD. Evans? You know, how's he doing.

I do have some questions about whether or not the vetting team knew about these things that we're now hearing about.

I do have some questions about whether or not the vetting team knew about these things that we're now hearing about.

The lady exactly did they hear about that? And listen, there's a pretty good chance they did.

The lady exactly did they hear about that? And listen, there's a pretty good chance they did.

They got a pretty good social media team and they probably just didn't care. Again, JD was was a selection born of supreme confidence.

They got a pretty good social media team and they probably just didn't care. Again, JD was was a selection born of supreme confidence.

They thought they were going to win.

They thought they were going to win.

They still think they're going to win, and they just wanted somebody that Trump likes to work with, and they didn't want to worry about any of the other dynamics of picking up states or demographics. It's the only person, remember that he can't fire after the election, Cabinet secretary's chiefs of staff. Whatever you can get rid of, you can't get rid of of your VP. So they took him because they liked him, and they still think they do so. Look, he could get fired tomorrow. I get it, but I'm just not hearing it.

They still think they're going to win, and they just wanted somebody that Trump likes to work with, and they didn't want to worry about any of the other dynamics of picking up states or demographics. It's the only person, remember that he can't fire after the election, Cabinet secretary's chiefs of staff. Whatever you can get rid of, you can't get rid of of your VP. So they took him because they liked him, and they still think they do so. Look, he could get fired tomorrow. I get it, but I'm just not hearing it.

So what's your view on the way this race has changed. Don Levy from Siena was on with us earlier telling a remarkable story about momentum in the polls. It's been a game changer, certainly coming even with Donald Trump here in the states that matter, two hundred million dollars in a week, getting enormous amounts of free media. Should Donald Trump be more worried than he was, Well, he could go more.

So what's your view on the way this race has changed. Don Levy from Siena was on with us earlier telling a remarkable story about momentum in the polls. It's been a game changer, certainly coming even with Donald Trump here in the states that matter, two hundred million dollars in a week, getting enormous amounts of free media. Should Donald Trump be more worried than he was, Well, he could go more.

Worried, I think if he was going to waltz into the into the White House against Joe Biden.

Worried, I think if he was going to waltz into the into the White House against Joe Biden.

So how do you describe Is it still his to lose?

So how do you describe Is it still his to lose?

I think it's a I went from an eighty twenty kind of race to a fifty two forty eight kind of race. Keep in mind, and there's an axiom in this business that you know, you're never really more popular than the day you announced you're running for office, and it's all downhill after that. In fact, that happened to Kamala Harris back in twenty twenty. She had that fabulous rollout. Whereas at Oakland or San Francisco, I can't remember and I remember watching our and TV going those are Trump type rallies. That's a tremendous rollout for a campaign. This is when she was running for president, and then six weeks later she's gone before Iowa even opened up. So you're never more popular than you are in day one. You expect a bounce. Look, I get the Democrats credit. I never expected them to get their act together this quickly. I was sort of, you know, buying popcorn and getting ready to hunt her down in front of the Democrat National Convention and just watching the fireworks, thinking it was going to be a wide open sort of rodeo.

I think it's a I went from an eighty twenty kind of race to a fifty two forty eight kind of race. Keep in mind, and there's an axiom in this business that you know, you're never really more popular than the day you announced you're running for office, and it's all downhill after that. In fact, that happened to Kamala Harris back in twenty twenty. She had that fabulous rollout. Whereas at Oakland or San Francisco, I can't remember and I remember watching our and TV going those are Trump type rallies. That's a tremendous rollout for a campaign. This is when she was running for president, and then six weeks later she's gone before Iowa even opened up. So you're never more popular than you are in day one. You expect a bounce. Look, I get the Democrats credit. I never expected them to get their act together this quickly. I was sort of, you know, buying popcorn and getting ready to hunt her down in front of the Democrat National Convention and just watching the fireworks, thinking it was going to be a wide open sort of rodeo.

It's not. And you give them credit. They have done better than.

It's not. And you give them credit. They have done better than.

I think a lot of folks, including some Democrats, expected them to do. But this race is far from over, and I think you're gonna hear a lot of things about Kamala Harris from Republicans over the next ninety nine days.

I think a lot of folks, including some Democrats, expected them to do. But this race is far from over, and I think you're gonna hear a lot of things about Kamala Harris from Republicans over the next ninety nine days.

Well, so as we think about the excitement her candidacy seems to have generated. To Joe's point, a big part of this is money. The Kamala Harris campaign has raised more than two hundred million dollars, a lot of that from first time small dollar donors. We aren't necessarily hearing much fund raising news out of the Trump campaign to counter that, And I just wonder how you think about the cash part of the equation here and the ability to spend money in the states that matter.

Well, so as we think about the excitement her candidacy seems to have generated. To Joe's point, a big part of this is money. The Kamala Harris campaign has raised more than two hundred million dollars, a lot of that from first time small dollar donors. We aren't necessarily hearing much fund raising news out of the Trump campaign to counter that, And I just wonder how you think about the cash part of the equation here and the ability to spend money in the states that matter.

Yeah, look, it's no question about it. It's absolutely critical. It's probably more critical down ballot than it is for anything else. But at the end of the day, I.

Yeah, look, it's no question about it. It's absolutely critical. It's probably more critical down ballot than it is for anything else. But at the end of the day, I.

Mean, look, Trump had a great news cycle. I think the last time they put out numbers, how we outraised Biden. Kamala Harris has had a good number this time. Both of these teams are going to have enough money to do everything that they want to do. Now, down ballot's a different story. So if you're Hakim Jeffreys or you're Michael Johnson, you're fighting it, slugging it out for every single seat in the House form majority down there. You know, if there's enough money is a question that still remains. But at the top of the ticket, they're going to have enough dough to do what they want and keep on. You never know, is money that comes in today money that was going to come in tomorrow, or is it really new money? Is it just money that came in earlier. Was it money that was held back last time? There's all sorts of all sorts of variables when it comes to money raising.

Mean, look, Trump had a great news cycle. I think the last time they put out numbers, how we outraised Biden. Kamala Harris has had a good number this time. Both of these teams are going to have enough money to do everything that they want to do. Now, down ballot's a different story. So if you're Hakim Jeffreys or you're Michael Johnson, you're fighting it, slugging it out for every single seat in the House form majority down there. You know, if there's enough money is a question that still remains. But at the top of the ticket, they're going to have enough dough to do what they want and keep on. You never know, is money that comes in today money that was going to come in tomorrow, or is it really new money? Is it just money that came in earlier. Was it money that was held back last time? There's all sorts of all sorts of variables when it comes to money raising.

But there listen, no one's going poor in this race. That's for sure.

But there listen, no one's going poor in this race. That's for sure.

That's for sure. I don't know if the campaign cares at all who Kamala Harris is going to run with. I suspect that there's some consideration there. But if you take the red hat off for a minute, who do you think Kamala Harris if it's down to this three, does she go with somebody like a rust belt governor? Does it need to be a swing state? Why are we talking about governor of Minnesota?

That's for sure. I don't know if the campaign cares at all who Kamala Harris is going to run with. I suspect that there's some consideration there. But if you take the red hat off for a minute, who do you think Kamala Harris if it's down to this three, does she go with somebody like a rust belt governor? Does it need to be a swing state? Why are we talking about governor of Minnesota?

For If you fall back on the basics right on how you usually pick a vice president. You pick a vice president based upon a need for your campaign. Is it money, which is why Reagan took Bush? Is it expertise, which is why Ducacas took Benson. Is it a swing state which is why Romney took rhynd didn't work out that well, but that was the pick. I think you're back in that world, right, that's a swing state type of thing. Shapiro So well, no, no, no, because you've got what are the swing states?

For If you fall back on the basics right on how you usually pick a vice president. You pick a vice president based upon a need for your campaign. Is it money, which is why Reagan took Bush? Is it expertise, which is why Ducacas took Benson. Is it a swing state which is why Romney took rhynd didn't work out that well, but that was the pick. I think you're back in that world, right, that's a swing state type of thing. Shapiro So well, no, no, no, because you've got what are the swing states?

Yeah, Shapiro's in the list.

Yeah, Shapiro's in the list.

Well, you could do Kelly in Arizona.

Well, you could do Kelly in Arizona.

Kelly in Arizona, Whitmer in Michigan. Walls and in Minute Soda is.

Kelly in Arizona, Whitmer in Michigan. Walls and in Minute Soda is.

A state they'd love to lock up, no question about it. And really they're a geographic advantage to Walls of Minisi.

A state they'd love to lock up, no question about it. And really they're a geographic advantage to Walls of Minisi.

Absolutely, much much more so, say than Cooper in North Carolina, who I really don't think the Democrats think they can win. And Basher, who's a very talented guy Democrat who wanted a red state whose name has sort of fallen off the map already because it's not a swing state. So I think that's where they're looking at.

Absolutely, much much more so, say than Cooper in North Carolina, who I really don't think the Democrats think they can win. And Basher, who's a very talented guy Democrat who wanted a red state whose name has sort of fallen off the map already because it's not a swing state. So I think that's where they're looking at.

Well.

Well.

We also understand that her campaign is considering not just who they want to be vice president, but also the kind of policy that they want to pursue. There's been reporting in the last few days, especially in the aftermath of Donald Trump's appearance at the Bitcoin conference in Nashville this weekend, that the Harris campaign is looking to court the crypto industry a bit more for a reset, if you will. We've heard the same from Democrats who support her, like Congressman Wiley Nickel, who's pro crypto. Do you believe that, and do you believe Donald Trump, who used to call bitcoin a scam, is actually going to be friendlier toward the industry this time around.

We also understand that her campaign is considering not just who they want to be vice president, but also the kind of policy that they want to pursue. There's been reporting in the last few days, especially in the aftermath of Donald Trump's appearance at the Bitcoin conference in Nashville this weekend, that the Harris campaign is looking to court the crypto industry a bit more for a reset, if you will. We've heard the same from Democrats who support her, like Congressman Wiley Nickel, who's pro crypto. Do you believe that, and do you believe Donald Trump, who used to call bitcoin a scam, is actually going to be friendlier toward the industry this time around.

The answer to the second question is yes, easy, because I don't think this is not one of the things that Trump is married to.

The answer to the second question is yes, easy, because I don't think this is not one of the things that Trump is married to.

Right.

Right.

Trump feels very strong about immigration and tax and regulation. Okay, that he really really does. I don't think he cares really one way or the other about crypto. So if you say, well, he's changed policies from last time in he's the office, Yeah, and I buy that, And he could be the greatest defender of crypto in the world.

Trump feels very strong about immigration and tax and regulation. Okay, that he really really does. I don't think he cares really one way or the other about crypto. So if you say, well, he's changed policies from last time in he's the office, Yeah, and I buy that, And he could be the greatest defender of crypto in the world.

I absolutely believe that's possible.

I absolutely believe that's possible.

To your first question, do I believe when it comes to the Democrats, Eh, And here's why I'm not just saying that because I'm a Republican and they're Democrats. They've got Look, we're both parties are big parties, right, you only got two parties in country of one hundred and three hundred fifty million people. They're not going to be monolithic. But within that Democrat party on this particular issue, they have a wide variety of issues.

To your first question, do I believe when it comes to the Democrats, Eh, And here's why I'm not just saying that because I'm a Republican and they're Democrats. They've got Look, we're both parties are big parties, right, you only got two parties in country of one hundred and three hundred fifty million people. They're not going to be monolithic. But within that Democrat party on this particular issue, they have a wide variety of issues.

Who are the most.

Who are the most.

Anti crypto people in this town? Liz Warren and Bernie Sanders, maybe certainly Liz Warren, maybe Dick Durbin.

Anti crypto people in this town? Liz Warren and Bernie Sanders, maybe certainly Liz Warren, maybe Dick Durbin.

I can't remember. Yeah, I mean I forgot about Gary Yeah hy Gary see it? Yeah.

I can't remember. Yeah, I mean I forgot about Gary Yeah hy Gary see it? Yeah.

So I mean that's are there democrats like Wiley Nicol who are are strongly pro crypto, absolutely, But the big names in the anti crypto world, the people that really would love to ban it if they got the chance, are Democrats. And I think that's a problem that that that Kamala Harrison is going to have to navigate that Donald Trump doesn't.

So I mean that's are there democrats like Wiley Nicol who are are strongly pro crypto, absolutely, But the big names in the anti crypto world, the people that really would love to ban it if they got the chance, are Democrats. And I think that's a problem that that that Kamala Harrison is going to have to navigate that Donald Trump doesn't.

So if Donald Trump can have an evolution like that on crypto, does Elon Musk help him find religion on EV's?

So if Donald Trump can have an evolution like that on crypto, does Elon Musk help him find religion on EV's?

You know, the thing on EV's I think is probably less is less the concept of an EV and whether or not we're doing it in what Trump might be able to describe as an America first sort of manner. Are we making them or is somebody else making them?

You know, the thing on EV's I think is probably less is less the concept of an EV and whether or not we're doing it in what Trump might be able to describe as an America first sort of manner. Are we making them or is somebody else making them?

You go back to the speech that he gave.

You go back to the speech that he gave.

About the car industry in Mexico that got, you know, wrongly attributed as that blood bass, right, I think that was that was not an anti EV speech? Is what was an anti China?

About the car industry in Mexico that got, you know, wrongly attributed as that blood bass, right, I think that was that was not an anti EV speech? Is what was an anti China?

The version that he'd.

The version that he'd.

Like to say I think I think if TESLA could make an argument that you know, they've got a way to provide low, low price, good quality, non government subsidized electronic vehicles, why would Donald Trump care? But yeah, to your point, because I could see the twinkle in your eye. If you spend forty five million dollars a month or whatever, do you get an open door passed to the White House. The answer is yes, you do. Wow, he was there. I think I bumped it.

Like to say I think I think if TESLA could make an argument that you know, they've got a way to provide low, low price, good quality, non government subsidized electronic vehicles, why would Donald Trump care? But yeah, to your point, because I could see the twinkle in your eye. If you spend forty five million dollars a month or whatever, do you get an open door passed to the White House. The answer is yes, you do. Wow, he was there. I think I bumped it.

And he used to be the gatekeeper at I met him.

And he used to be the gatekeeper at I met him.

Half a dozen times. One of the most.

Half a dozen times. One of the most.

Strangely intelligent men you've ever met in your entire life. I'm not sure I understood a thing that he said, but I'm pretty sure he's a lot smarter than I am.

Strangely intelligent men you've ever met in your entire life. I'm not sure I understood a thing that he said, but I'm pretty sure he's a lot smarter than I am.

Well, they didn't get an invite the day GM Chrysler Ford Stilantis.

Well, they didn't get an invite the day GM Chrysler Ford Stilantis.

I don't think he needs when you've got when you've got the private number, I don't think you need to come in with the rest of the crowd.

I don't think he needs when you've got when you've got the private number, I don't think you need to come in with the rest of the crowd.

Fair enought let another month ago or whatever.

Fair enought let another month ago or whatever.

It's well, it's you know, amazingly people all around the world want to talk about our election.

It's well, it's you know, amazingly people all around the world want to talk about our election.

About that.

About that.

I had no idea. I'm huge in Australia by the way.

I had no idea. I'm huge in Australia by the way.

Case yes, yeah, wow, all right, well they have good taste. Let us know what they're asking you next time you're on. Mick Maulvaney always a treat former Acting Chief of Staff Trump Administration's co founder of the Freedom Caucus. Kaylee, we've looked forward to this conversation for a minute. We'll get him back soon for you here and we'll assemble our panel coming up next, Rick Davis and g. D. Shanzano. Hold forth, You're on the fastest show in politics and it's only Monday. I'm Joe Matthew alongside Kaylee Lion. Stay with us on Bloomberg TV and radio.

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We pay attention to the happenings here in Washington, yes, but also around the world when it comes to politics, and certainly there is a lot of political news coming from Venezuela after the country's presidential election on Sunday, the country's electoral Council has just certified that Nicholas Maduro, of course, the incumbent president, won the election yesterday and will have another six year term, his third. However, this comes after the opposition cast doubt on the actual results of the election. Exit polling has suggested that Maduro's challenger was actually pulling far ahead of him in Venezuela. Of course, earlier this afternoon, Joe named and opposition leader Maria Machado as a key suspect in its investigation into alleged electoral sabotage, and this has taken the notice of many countries around the world, including the US. We heard from Secretary of Saint Anthony Blincoln earlier today saying that he had serious concerns, yes about these results in Venezuela.

We pay attention to the happenings here in Washington, yes, but also around the world when it comes to politics, and certainly there is a lot of political news coming from Venezuela after the country's presidential election on Sunday, the country's electoral Council has just certified that Nicholas Maduro, of course, the incumbent president, won the election yesterday and will have another six year term, his third. However, this comes after the opposition cast doubt on the actual results of the election. Exit polling has suggested that Maduro's challenger was actually pulling far ahead of him in Venezuela. Of course, earlier this afternoon, Joe named and opposition leader Maria Machado as a key suspect in its investigation into alleged electoral sabotage, and this has taken the notice of many countries around the world, including the US. We heard from Secretary of Saint Anthony Blincoln earlier today saying that he had serious concerns, yes about these results in Venezuela.

Serious concerns. The result does not reflect the will or the votes of the Venezuelan people. That's where we are here. And Maria Carina Machado, who Kylee mentions, called the result impossible, saying we won and the whole world knows it. So the question, Kaylee then becomes about us response, and Bloomberg has a really important story just up on the terminal. Eric Martin writing that the US will determine future sanctions on Venezuela based on whether Maduro's government releases fully releases voting data here, So we're just at the beginning of the story.

Serious concerns. The result does not reflect the will or the votes of the Venezuelan people. That's where we are here. And Maria Carina Machado, who Kylee mentions, called the result impossible, saying we won and the whole world knows it. So the question, Kaylee then becomes about us response, and Bloomberg has a really important story just up on the terminal. Eric Martin writing that the US will determine future sanctions on Venezuela based on whether Maduro's government releases fully releases voting data here, So we're just at the beginning of the story.

It scenes, Yeah, and of course it was in part the US's own data in the exit polls that it were seeing that were mismatch with what actually came out of the Electoral Council invest So this is, to your point, show a story that is certainly far from over. The US not the only country that has a lot of drama around true election these days.

It scenes, Yeah, and of course it was in part the US's own data in the exit polls that it were seeing that were mismatch with what actually came out of the Electoral Council invest So this is, to your point, show a story that is certainly far from over. The US not the only country that has a lot of drama around true election these days.

Yeah, how true. Let's talk about the drama in our own with our signature panel back with us today on the Monday edition of Ballots of Power. Rick Davis and Genie Shanzo Bloomberg Politics contributors holding forth here as we try to make our way through the deep steaks in the next week or so. As Kaylee mentioned, they've got it down to three here, and we'd love your take on this story and of course, some of many of the other cross currents in the campaign. Genie, what's your take right now on the big three that Bloomberg has highlighted The governors of Minnesota and Pennsylvania as well as the Senator from Arizona. They each bring their own promise. But in the case of Tim Walls of Minnesota, not a swing state, what do you think Kamala Harris is considering?

Yeah, how true. Let's talk about the drama in our own with our signature panel back with us today on the Monday edition of Ballots of Power. Rick Davis and Genie Shanzo Bloomberg Politics contributors holding forth here as we try to make our way through the deep steaks in the next week or so. As Kaylee mentioned, they've got it down to three here, and we'd love your take on this story and of course, some of many of the other cross currents in the campaign. Genie, what's your take right now on the big three that Bloomberg has highlighted The governors of Minnesota and Pennsylvania as well as the Senator from Arizona. They each bring their own promise. But in the case of Tim Walls of Minnesota, not a swing state, what do you think Kamala Harris is considering?

You know, I was surprised that he is on the top three to a certain extent, because I think, if you're gonna go swing state, you might as well go big with Pennsylvania or Arizona. But of course they would like to lock up Minnesota. So and he does have an important record out there. He is well known, he is well liked. He was auditioning this weekend on the Sunday shows, So certainly he is in contention. You know, one thing that I think is worth noting is this drive to go with a white man and leaving a side Gretchen Whitmer, who said she doesn't want to be considered. But Michigan and Whitmer is a really important state. And I keep in the back of my mind wondering does Kamala Harris surprise everybody by going with Whitmer. She is a very good politician of you know, well liked in her state. It's a swing state, it's one the Democrats need, and I think to count somebody out due to gender is troubling to me. So I just want to put that out out there. But that's what we've been hearing there, looking for a white man.

You know, I was surprised that he is on the top three to a certain extent, because I think, if you're gonna go swing state, you might as well go big with Pennsylvania or Arizona. But of course they would like to lock up Minnesota. So and he does have an important record out there. He is well known, he is well liked. He was auditioning this weekend on the Sunday shows, So certainly he is in contention. You know, one thing that I think is worth noting is this drive to go with a white man and leaving a side Gretchen Whitmer, who said she doesn't want to be considered. But Michigan and Whitmer is a really important state. And I keep in the back of my mind wondering does Kamala Harris surprise everybody by going with Whitmer. She is a very good politician of you know, well liked in her state. It's a swing state, it's one the Democrats need, and I think to count somebody out due to gender is troubling to me. So I just want to put that out out there. But that's what we've been hearing there, looking for a white man.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Well, and certainly most of the list does seem to be comprised of that. But Rick, what do you think about Genie's point on Governor Whitmer, who herself has says she wants to stay in Michigan in the job she currently has. Is this about America's perhaps lack of readiness to have a female president and vice president or is this just about someone saying, don't pick me please.

Well, and certainly most of the list does seem to be comprised of that. But Rick, what do you think about Genie's point on Governor Whitmer, who herself has says she wants to stay in Michigan in the job she currently has. Is this about America's perhaps lack of readiness to have a female president and vice president or is this just about someone saying, don't pick me please.

Yeah, I think that we have to believe Whitmer that she doesn't want to be picked. So she's not on a list anymore. I think she was on an earlier list that had been circulated. I think Gina Ramundo was on another earlier list that had been circulated. I mean, I don't think they're not looking at women. I think they're finding that they have other options. And I think they're clearly looking at targeted states like Arizona, you know, and Pennsylvania, and by the way, Minnesota is not a chip shot for Democrats. At one point in time, right after the convention, the Republicans came out. They're saying, we're putting all these states in play. We're gonna put Minnesota in play. We're going to you know, put other states that are sort of you know, Democrat leaning states in play. And so to be able to lock up Minnesota, you know, with Tim Waltz is not a bad option for the Democrats. Takes another you know, chess piece off the board and and gets the focus back down to where the Democrats I think always wanted it, which is there are only six or seven states that matter. Let's keep our focus on that. We're not looking at Minnesota, We're not looking at New Hampshire, you know, these other border leaners. So yeah, I think they've got the trading range down to where they want it. I think they've done it effectively in a very short period of time.

Yeah, I think that we have to believe Whitmer that she doesn't want to be picked. So she's not on a list anymore. I think she was on an earlier list that had been circulated. I think Gina Ramundo was on another earlier list that had been circulated. I mean, I don't think they're not looking at women. I think they're finding that they have other options. And I think they're clearly looking at targeted states like Arizona, you know, and Pennsylvania, and by the way, Minnesota is not a chip shot for Democrats. At one point in time, right after the convention, the Republicans came out. They're saying, we're putting all these states in play. We're gonna put Minnesota in play. We're going to you know, put other states that are sort of you know, Democrat leaning states in play. And so to be able to lock up Minnesota, you know, with Tim Waltz is not a bad option for the Democrats. Takes another you know, chess piece off the board and and gets the focus back down to where the Democrats I think always wanted it, which is there are only six or seven states that matter. Let's keep our focus on that. We're not looking at Minnesota, We're not looking at New Hampshire, you know, these other border leaners. So yeah, I think they've got the trading range down to where they want it. I think they've done it effectively in a very short period of time.

Now you've got to pick them.

Now you've got to pick them.

And they all have advantages and disadvantages. They all have different personalities. Uh and uh. And I think all of them though, tend to benefit the ticket. And I'm you know, like you think that's kind of obvious except JD.

And they all have advantages and disadvantages. They all have different personalities. Uh and uh. And I think all of them though, tend to benefit the ticket. And I'm you know, like you think that's kind of obvious except JD.

Vance.

Vance.

I mean, in retrospect, everyone's in the Republican are scratching ahead and going, how in the world did this benefit the ticket?

I mean, in retrospect, everyone's in the Republican are scratching ahead and going, how in the world did this benefit the ticket?

You know, it's really interesting you say that, Rick, The Washington Post reporting that in the last two days before Donald Trump picked JD. Vance, quote, an array of senators, donors, conservative media personalities, and other supporters unquote urged Donald Trump to pick someone else as we consider childless cat ladies, Rick, where are we on the idea here that Donald Trump may have made a poor choice and buyer's remorse throughout the GOP.

You know, it's really interesting you say that, Rick, The Washington Post reporting that in the last two days before Donald Trump picked JD. Vance, quote, an array of senators, donors, conservative media personalities, and other supporters unquote urged Donald Trump to pick someone else as we consider childless cat ladies, Rick, where are we on the idea here that Donald Trump may have made a poor choice and buyer's remorse throughout the GOP.

Look, when Don Junior is calling the shots, this is what you get. And I think that there's such a close link around former President Trump and his family, and I'm sure that the family echo chamber is strong that JD. Vance was the guy all along, that he's the one who can continue the march for MAGA. And that may be true on its own right. Whether MAGA, you know, can expand beyond Donald Trump's you know, current constituency. I don't think anybody who believes Vance can do that for them. But look, I mean, there is a portion of the Republican Party, or at least the MAGA party where you know he is. He's wildly popular, regardless of some of his cat lady mentions and things like that. So, uh, it may be weird, but it is the current state of play within the Republican Party.

Look, when Don Junior is calling the shots, this is what you get. And I think that there's such a close link around former President Trump and his family, and I'm sure that the family echo chamber is strong that JD. Vance was the guy all along, that he's the one who can continue the march for MAGA. And that may be true on its own right. Whether MAGA, you know, can expand beyond Donald Trump's you know, current constituency. I don't think anybody who believes Vance can do that for them. But look, I mean, there is a portion of the Republican Party, or at least the MAGA party where you know he is. He's wildly popular, regardless of some of his cat lady mentions and things like that. So, uh, it may be weird, but it is the current state of play within the Republican Party.

Well, we should hear from the Senator from Ohio and vice presidential nominee himself, because he was asked about the cat lady thing last night on Fox. Here was how that went.

Well, we should hear from the Senator from Ohio and vice presidential nominee himself, because he was asked about the cat lady thing last night on Fox. Here was how that went.

Down, Nons and priests aside, do you agree that there are people who very much love this country and are invested in his future, but they also happen to be childless?

Down, Nons and priests aside, do you agree that there are people who very much love this country and are invested in his future, but they also happen to be childless?

Oh, of course I believe that, Tray, And if you look at the full context of what I said, it's very clear the Democrats have tried to take this thing out of content and blow it out of.

Oh, of course I believe that, Tray, And if you look at the full context of what I said, it's very clear the Democrats have tried to take this thing out of content and blow it out of.

Proportion, which is what they always do.

Proportion, which is what they always do.

Trey.

Trey.

Genie blown out of proportion or not? The genie's kind of out of the bottle on this one. Are Democrats going to be able to keep up this line of attack on Jdvans or are they going to have to come up with something else as we still have four months to go, and a lot of the enthusiasm and energy we've maybe seen over the last week isn't necessarily sustainable for the next ninety nine days.

Genie blown out of proportion or not? The genie's kind of out of the bottle on this one. Are Democrats going to be able to keep up this line of attack on Jdvans or are they going to have to come up with something else as we still have four months to go, and a lot of the enthusiasm and energy we've maybe seen over the last week isn't necessarily sustainable for the next ninety nine days.

I think there will be more. This was a doozy by jd. Vance to walk it back. He goes and talks to Trey Goudy and Meghan Kelly. That's not going to do it, and so he just keeps stepping in it more and more. The reality is to win this election, Republicans rather cannot discount suburban women, and that's what his movement into the vice presidential pick has threatened to do with statements like this. I mean, is there a way to come back from it, for sure, but we haven't seen them do this yet. But the reality is this is all about Donald Trump. Donald Trump not listening to the establishment. Talking about how everybody else makes VP picks is nothing new in my view. He wanted somebody who would do his bidding in a way Mike Pence wouldn't, and that's what he was going for, and hence he turned his back on people that may have made more sense, like Doug Bergham and some of the others on the list, and doubled down with JD. Vance, which doesn't reach out and get him the votes he needs to win some of these swing states.

I think there will be more. This was a doozy by jd. Vance to walk it back. He goes and talks to Trey Goudy and Meghan Kelly. That's not going to do it, and so he just keeps stepping in it more and more. The reality is to win this election, Republicans rather cannot discount suburban women, and that's what his movement into the vice presidential pick has threatened to do with statements like this. I mean, is there a way to come back from it, for sure, but we haven't seen them do this yet. But the reality is this is all about Donald Trump. Donald Trump not listening to the establishment. Talking about how everybody else makes VP picks is nothing new in my view. He wanted somebody who would do his bidding in a way Mike Pence wouldn't, and that's what he was going for, and hence he turned his back on people that may have made more sense, like Doug Bergham and some of the others on the list, and doubled down with JD. Vance, which doesn't reach out and get him the votes he needs to win some of these swing states.

All right, Rick and Jeanie, we thank you, as always our signature panel with us on the Monday edition of Balance of Powers. Genie Schanzano and Rick Davis will join us as well a bit later on in the later edition of Balance of Power that starts at five pm Eastern. Tim Kayley, that'll be right around the time that Joe Biden is talking about the Supreme Court, which will be potentially newsy, although it's hard to see the path on the proposals that he is putting forward when it comes to term limits and a code of ethics. I've got an interesting headline here we should mention before the news the House announcing the Bipartisan task Force to probe Trump shooting being comparing this to a Warren Commission, essentially following what happened, and the reporting today on the fallout of this assassination attempt is remarkable. The New York Times publishing text messages showing that security officers at the rally identified and talked about Thomas Crooks for more than an hour and a half before he opened fire on the former president.

All right, Rick and Jeanie, we thank you, as always our signature panel with us on the Monday edition of Balance of Powers. Genie Schanzano and Rick Davis will join us as well a bit later on in the later edition of Balance of Power that starts at five pm Eastern. Tim Kayley, that'll be right around the time that Joe Biden is talking about the Supreme Court, which will be potentially newsy, although it's hard to see the path on the proposals that he is putting forward when it comes to term limits and a code of ethics. I've got an interesting headline here we should mention before the news the House announcing the Bipartisan task Force to probe Trump shooting being comparing this to a Warren Commission, essentially following what happened, and the reporting today on the fallout of this assassination attempt is remarkable. The New York Times publishing text messages showing that security officers at the rally identified and talked about Thomas Crooks for more than an hour and a half before he opened fire on the former president.

Yeah, more details continuing to come to light. Remembering that this happened just about two weeks ago, it was not that long ago, as we all have been living in what feels like warp speed in American politics, and surely more details will come to light as we have this task force looking into the assassination. It's actually being led by Republican Congressman Mike Kelly of Pennsylvania, who of course had been pushing given the proximity of Butler to his district. So we'll have much more on that of course throughout the day here on Bloomberg, specifically on Balance of Power.

Yeah, more details continuing to come to light. Remembering that this happened just about two weeks ago, it was not that long ago, as we all have been living in what feels like warp speed in American politics, and surely more details will come to light as we have this task force looking into the assassination. It's actually being led by Republican Congressman Mike Kelly of Pennsylvania, who of course had been pushing given the proximity of Butler to his district. So we'll have much more on that of course throughout the day here on Bloomberg, specifically on Balance of Power.

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Welcome to our TV and radio audiences worldwide. This is Balance of Power. I'm Joe Matthew alongside Kaylee Lions, talking politics with our eye on the financial markets as well. A big week for both. Kaylee. We've got a FED meeting Wednesday, We've got earnings. This is the big one, right Microsoft, Apple and the rest reporting this week with a lot of questions about the future of our economy and the future of this presidential campaign, and so it makes it easy to miss some of the headlines internationally here with the news today from Venezuela, but also Israel, as the Biden administration warns Israel that if it continues to target Hesbala and in fact opens a new war with them, this could spin out of control. Kaylee, We've discussed this before with Hagar Shamali, who's going to join us in a moment here. The question about a much wider conflict in the Middle East is very real right now.

Welcome to our TV and radio audiences worldwide. This is Balance of Power. I'm Joe Matthew alongside Kaylee Lions, talking politics with our eye on the financial markets as well. A big week for both. Kaylee. We've got a FED meeting Wednesday, We've got earnings. This is the big one, right Microsoft, Apple and the rest reporting this week with a lot of questions about the future of our economy and the future of this presidential campaign, and so it makes it easy to miss some of the headlines internationally here with the news today from Venezuela, but also Israel, as the Biden administration warns Israel that if it continues to target Hesbala and in fact opens a new war with them, this could spin out of control. Kaylee, We've discussed this before with Hagar Shamali, who's going to join us in a moment here. The question about a much wider conflict in the Middle East is very real right now.

Yeah, especially after the events of this weekend, a rocket attack that notably Hesbela has actually not claimed responsibility for it has denied this, which is an unusual move for the group, but it ended up killing twelve young people, and net Yahoo has vowed a harsh response. The question is how will the harshness of that response actually be calibrated, especially considering the input of allies like the United States. So for more, let's turn to Hagar Shamali, of course, formerly of the National Security Council where she was director for Syria and Lebanon, but now CEO and founder of Greenwich Media Strategy. So are always great to have you here. On balance of power. Obviously, this is a region of the world that you know incredibly well. It is worth pointing out that this did happen and what is many internationally recognized as Syrian territory. This isn't necessarily somewhere where you would expect Hesbelah to strike. So what is your read on what exactly happened here and what you think Israel might do next?