Why from our nations this budget thing is going to do nothing space forces. I still think it's interesting President Trump not playing his cards yet headlines Policy and Politics colliding. Sound on with Kevin's relate the insiders, the influencers, the insiders. I would rather see a congressional solution. It's part of my DNA. The Senate map in looks a lot different than it looked in. You really have a divide within Team Trump. The President has to do exactly what people send him here to do, which is to get it done. He's sound on with Kevin's o relate on Bloomberg one and one m h D two. Baltimore Secretary Kirsten Nielsen is out done, gone from the Department of Homeland Securities. President Trump says reportedly he's not happy about her inability to build that wall. Will Stephen Miller become the new force within the Trump administration or rather an increasingly growing worse withinside of the Trump administration? And what does that mean economically, politically, and well for the President's political coalition heading into cycle. We're gonna ask that to our all star panel with me for the hour. Jack Kingston, former Georgia Congressman as well as a former Trump campaign senior advisor and Raoul Alvalar. He's a Democratic strategist and former national political director for the Democratic National Committee. We're also going to check in with Tom Holman. Uh. He is the former ICE acting director. He's going to call in later on in the show, and in fact, UH, if that wasn't enough for you, don't forget about this. Tomorrow, Attorney General William Barr is set to testify in the House. That's going to be an explosive hearing. We will preview that for you and get all of the latest on trade policy as well. But before we dive into all that jam pack day, Happy Monday, Wow, I mean the same agration story if you haven't been following it closely, so much moving parts, so many many different moving parts. Especially uh. In the last twenty four hours, the headline of Bloomberg Business Week, written by Joshua Green, now that Trump has ousted Secretary Nielsen, it's Miller time presidential advisor Stephen Miller showed who holds power over immigration in the White House, and it's not the Homeland Security Secretary. According to reports, Secretary Nielsen of the Department of Homeland Security met with President Trump on Sunday and offered her resignation, whether or not it was asked for, or however want to put it, she was ousted. Of course, she was really the center and point person inside of the administration on the issue of the wall. She was also a face of the administration, especially during its policies and when she was really politically grilled during multiple Senate and House hearings over the separation of a family issue that has developed. And just over the weekend, Democrats House, Democrats traveling to the US Mexico border. Uh, and look this, this has become an issue for the country to deal with. So let's dive in. Let's dive in. I'm Kevin Cirelli, chief Washington correspondent for Bloomberg Television and Bloomberg Radio. With me for the hour. Jack Kingston. I remember chasing him in the halls of Congress when he was a Republican congressman representing Georgia, as well as on the campaign trail where he was a Trump campaign senior advisor. Now he's off at Squire Patton Boggs, and he's uh traveling the world, and we're thrilled to have him with us. For the Hour, and of course Raoul Alvular, a friend of the program, democratic strategist, former national political director for the d and see Jack, let me begin with you, where does this setting the records right? I never was fast enough to outrun you, and with those I got you questions, it was very difficult. I like to think I like to think that it was my running shoes that he gave the the speed. Headlines crossing the Bloomberg terminal now Jack breaking news, red headline on the Bloomberg terminal. President Trump barred from forcing asylum seekers to wait in Mexico. Are immigration policy now at the center of the You know that's interesting because that was actually Nelson policy. It was called Yeah, it was called the Migrant uh Protection Protocol that, um, they would have to register in Mexico and wait for their answer while seeking an asylum in Mexico. And that was actually one of her policies that President Trump liked. So I think that what we need to do is have Okay, given the fact that Congress is not gonna do anything, and very sad thing, but I think we can agree that's just not gonna happen. Um, what can be done within the law to tighten up the border, and um, you know that I think the case is there. Disagree on the term crisis, but absolutely there is chaos there and we've got to do something. Yeah, yeah, I mean I think there there is definitely issues and problems there from you know, people coming in that are seeking asylum and the President saying that he doesn't even want to hear those those cases is a problem. Uh, you know, and so you know, we still have children that are still separated from their families. Up to two thousand I think is a number, and we don't know when they're going to actually see their families. So, yes, it is a crisis, and it is something that we need Congress to to look at and something that they that we need to fix. From an economic standpoint, one point seven billion dollars daily daily, one point seven billion dollars daily exchanged across the US Mexico border, two thousand miles forty seven points of entry, manufacturing so crucial to the flow of of these exchanges. The US Chamber of Commerce, the business lobby here in Washington d c out against shutting down the border. Then we've got tariffs thrown in to this. I mean, if that wasn't enough. At the end of last week, President Trump says he's gonna increase tariffs on Mexico. Mexico's autist up as up to threatening that. So forget about shutting down the border. Now you've got tariffs wrapped into that. And the U. S m c A still hasn't even been been ratified. But look, I mean, here's what President Trump said. Rob, Well, you mentioned President Trump. I want to play for you a bit of what President Trump had to say over the weekend in Las Vegas on this here's President Trump. I said, what clothes in the border. And as soon as I said that, and I really thank the President of Mexico because they stepped up and now they are apprehending people on their southern border. So row is the president right has has his rhetoric as the pressure pushed the Mexican government to be more aggressive. Uh No, I don't. I don't. I don't think so. Um, you know, we can't take him for his word. One day he says something, I'm gonna shut down the border, and then he's not gonna shut down the border. Uh And and we touched on and you touched on it a little bit ago about the economic ramifications. I mean, all of the automakers said, if you shut down the border, we will be shut down, and we will shut down our our assembly lines are people will be able to work within a week. So I I don't think his rhetoric is helpful helping and I don't think that it is it's going to be helpful for the economy. And they realize that because he's backtracked on that. Uh and Noah, and now it's like, oh, well, maybe do it in a couple of weeks or maybe in a couple of months. Yeah, I gonna take it. You disagree, well, I think his threat was effective, particularly cutting off the aid to hon Duras and El Salvador and Guatemala. I think that the Mexican president said, okay, this is serious, and and the president did say that they stopped fifteen people in one day alone, so that they were stepping it up. But I do agree with your well, I've been to help pass agree, uh, only on this one part. It's only on this one part coming up. But where the the if you go to LPA, so I believe that there are four pedestrian and traffic bridges that constantly all day long going back and forth between Warez and al Paso, and those two cities grew up together economically. Historically, the boundary the Rio Grand has changed the number of times just because of the natural flow of water. But people are constantly going back and forth. Those cities have grown up together economically and socially, so to shut it off would be very, very difficult. It's going back and forth in the its commodities, right, commodities, yes, absolutely, but people working on both sides. Is That's always been the case. So um. However, but let me say say this in terms of Mexico hasn't been serious and I think the President had to give them a serious threat in order to get them to step it up. All right, So uh, there it is. I mean that right there is the base. Raoul alv Lar saying that the presents presidents Frederick hurting the immigration debate. Jack Kingston saying that it has put pressure on Mexico much more coming up on the issue of immigration, especially those economic policy implications of what that would mean. Kevin Mcalenan, the current acting DHS chair, Now that Secretary Nielsen is out, uh seen as a bit more of a moderate as as remarkable as that sounds this given all of the reporting regarding Stephen Miller's increased role. We're gonna get to that. Coming up. We've got Tom Holman, he's the former ICE acting director. He's going to call in and of course on trade policy, as well as a preview of Attorney General William Barrs testimony. I was with some staffers of the committee earlier today on Capitol Hill. I gotta tell you that hearing tomorrow is going to be fire fire panel stays. You can download the sound on podcast on Apple iTunes, at Bloomberg dot com, or by downloading the Bloomberg Business app. You can also find us on Radio dot Com, I Heart Radio, and Spotify. I'm Kevin CURRELLI you are listening to Bloomberg. You're listening to sound On with Kevin's you really on Bloomberg and one seven m h D two Baltimore. They're not saying the president uh committed a crime. They're not saying that he was exonerated, which, by the way, special counsels don't exonerate. So I don't even know why that line's in there. That was j Seclo, the President's attorney, speaking on the Sunday shows ABC's This Week with George Stephanopolis over the weekend. Get ready because tomorrow's hearing is going to be remarkable. This is the first time that we're going to be hearing from Attorney General William Barr since all of the latest developments on his four page memo summary on the Mueller Report. He's going to be testifying before the House Appropriations Committee tomorrow. I was speaking with staffers of the leadership of that committee earlier today on Capitol Hill. I mean it's going to be wall to wall coverage. It sets it begin tomorrow morning. I'm not I'm hearing from staffers. I mean each each member is going to have five minutes to uh to ask questions of the Attorney General. Look, it's gonna it's not even the topic of the hearing is not supposed to be on the Mueller Report. But how I mean, there's no way the a G Is not gonna be asked about all of the latest developments. I do want to get to some other developments on when we're finally going to get the release of the Mueller Report. Because get this. Congressman Doug Collins, a Republican from Georgia, a Republican from Georgia, the top Republican on the House Judiciary Committee, chaired by Jerry Nadler, the Democrat from New York. He wrote to the Chairman of two, Chairman Nadler and said that he wants to have Bob Mueller. Bob Muller testify publicly, to appear for hearing sooner rather than later. They all agree that everybody wants to hear from Muller. But whether or not you get Mueller to testify before or after this four hundred page report of the Mueller Report has released public, nobody knows. I mean, how could you interview a guy publicly to have Bob Mueller testify if you haven't read the report. I asked that to Paripa Hard today on Bloomberg Television, the former uh top Southern District of New York, New York Court judge, the district judge, and he agreed. He said, I mean it would be quite I would be like trying to interview someone about a book and not reading their book. Um, But anyway, here with me for the hour. Another Republican from Georgia, Jack Kingston, a former congressman as well as former Trump campaign senior advisor. Now he's over at Squire pattn and Boggs and roolal v Laura, Democratic strategist, former national political director for the d n C. Alright, Jack, what are you going to be looking for tomorrow from a g BARS public testimony? Well, first of all, I have served on that committee, yes, and I would if I was a Democrat, I would forget anything about appropriations and just say this committee is a vehicle for me to ask my questions, and those questions can be as pointed as partisan or political as you want him to be. And I've sat in that chair and I know because during the Clinton administration or the Obama administration, sometimes the only way you can get a cabinet person in that you wanted to interview about one subject was to get him into talk about appropriation. So I think the Dems are gonna they probably have some great talking points now and they're gonna try to trip him up. If I was a Republican what I would be. I'd just come back and say, as you know, he cannot release this information, it's protected for the grand jury. You're asking him to do something illegal. Then, secondly, a lot of this is redacted information. You know that it's a matter of national security. And frankly, the job of the Minority Party in this case is really to keep the witness by buoyed. I guess, uh, to rehab him if they really get into him. I don't. I think he's unflappable. So I think they ought to just stick to their talking points. Yeah, I mean, I think you're You're right. It's gonna be pretty explosive. I think we're gonna have folks question why it's not made public. Um. You know, as everybody's been saying, the taxpayers paid for this, so you know, we have a right to know the public American people do. Um. And I mean I think you know we we we mentioned the minority party, uh and uh. The House voted uh to have the access of the molars findings of full findings not they redacted four to zero. Um. So there's support that that that this one that they want to make this public. So I think the threat, I mean, what's the thread? I mean, if you're a Democrat, are you trying to figure out why you got a four page summary? Are you trying to figure out who knew what? When? I mean, what what's the threat? Well, you know, we're trying to figure out what exactly happened, like what what what are what are they not giving to the American people? What are they not giving to Congress? Uh, there's a reason why. Uh, there was a reason why bar gave his analysis and his synopsis and and and sent it over what he thought when there was other synopsises and other analysis that were done. He didn't take those into account from what I understand, And so why didn't he? What what is going on? And what is there something underlying? And and what what is that truth that needs to come out? That hearing is set a kick off tomorrow, Am. If you gotta go on Capitol Hill tomorrow, get ready because the media will be out, will be out in full force. Jack. In terms of uh, In terms of the release of the Mueller Report, I mean Republicans agree that the Mueller Report should be released sooner rather than later. You would agree to, right, yes, And I actually think the White House has said yeah, and mc mulvaney yesterday, Um, but you know what, I think that that really is true. In mulvaney also said this yesterday that you release it, there will be something else If you don't get the tax restor turns or do get the tax returns. There will be something else, because this is about politics. I mean, on the Mule report, We've all heard these numbers, but um, twenty eight hundred subpoenas, five hundred witnesses, five hundred warrants, forty FBI agents, nineteen lawyers who I would argue many of them were partisan, and factually six of them gave to the Clinton campaign. You know, if there was something out there, we would know about it. You know, I said this about Hillary Clinton's emails. I'll say it about this. We didn't like enough talking about let us just see the report. I mean, like, let's just see the report. Put it out there. Let everyone. I mean, well, okay that now the House has voted on that, and we gotta go to break. I'm not trying to cut you off with you gotta go to break. Coming up, we've got Tom Holman, h a name on the shortlist to replace Secretary Nielsen, who's out. He's going to join us on the phone line panel Stays. Download the sound on podcast on Apple it tunes, a Bloomberg dot com, or by downloading the Bloomberg Business app. Check us out on radio dot com. I heart radio Spotify. I'm Kevin Cereli. You are listening to Bloomberg. He did a very good job when he was in the White House. Can I see? This is very disturbing and showing a lot of Unrestfully, will have a great career ahead of him. This is not a retirement. He quit. It was very sad when we heard about. It's not unusual for president to lose members the cabinet over these types of disagreement. We wish him well. I find the timing very suspect, and we absolutely wish him well. The president dog houses sometimes revolving door. As you know, President Obama fired him, and essentially so did I Sorry. Secretary Kills Kirston Nielsen, former Department of Homeland Security, but she's added to a growing, a growing list as the Trump administration revolving door turns she's out and uh and Secret Service, Uh, she's out. And Kevin Mcleanan, the current acting director for DHS. This, of course, following the President's recent rhetoric in the past two weeks where he's been threatening to shut down parts of the border, ports of entry, or even what tariffs on auto imports. We just heard from Tom Holme, and he's on the shortlist to replace Secretary Nielsen. He called in from Jena. He's the former ICE acting director serving thirty five plus years. Uh in at ICE. President says he wants to have an immigration zar an immigrations are Maybe it'll be Stephen Miller, remember him, the still policy director inside of the Trump administration, a hardliner on the issue of immigration. With me for the hour, Jack Kingston, former Republican congressman from Georgia, as well as the former Trump campaign senior advisor and Raoul alv Lar, Democratic strategist, former national political director for the d n C. Alright, I watched you watch and listen to that interview with Tom Holman. Raoul, and I'll give you a first DIBs. What I take it you didn't agree with anything that he said. Uh yes, Um. The one thing I did agree on is yes, and Democrats also want to protect the border. We also want to make sure that we have comprehensive immigration. As a matter of fact, Center Menendez and Senator Carper have introduced to build the Senate Central American Reform and Enforcement Act, which would help alleviate a lot of these problems and would ensure individuals and families from Central America that are seeking asylum can present their their claims. UM it would invest seven point five billion dollars over the next five years to the Department of Justice, State Defense, and DHS. UM and so Democrats are doing stuff. And so what happens is when we when we start moving on these things, it gets over to to the leadership where Mitch McConnell and whoever else is at the leadership and squashes it. Uh And and that again is that is a part that is the most frustrating. I think in a lot of this. I mean, we want to move forward, We need to move forward. Uh. And and these these these people that are coming over are a result of the lack of funding that has been taken away. And that's what this act wants to do too, is he wants to reverse the cuts to UH. And as a matter of fact, UM, we started seeing an influx of people trying to come to the US because of that aid being cut because the UH well, because the the circumstances down there are so bad. It has a matter of fact, under the Bush and um Bush and UH the Obama administration, immigration was down. Kevin mcaleen and the acting director for DHS, actually spoke last summer and and said that that he disagreed with the President even when he was talking about cutting a to some of those countries. So it's gonna be interesting to see how Kevin mcaleen and fits in with Stephen Miller and again a red headline on the Bloomberg terminal. The Trump administration barred by a US judge from forcing Central Americans seeking asylum from persecutions to wait in Mexico for months or even years while their applications are being processed. This case is in the Northern District of California, the San Francisco District Court, which of course we know the President has had quite a history with. I want to switch it up because the other big stories aside from immigration, kind of interconnected, especially should the President slap tariffs on on autos coming from Mexico. By but this is the U. S. And China and the ongoing trade debate. Uh and Jack Kingston, former Republican congressman familiar with with the U. S. China train talks. Are we any closer to a summit between President she and President Trump? I think we are. I think we're in the stages that are continuing a positioning. But I think both countries know now that the other country is serious. Um. And just think about this. Most members of Congress, we used to laugh, Democrats and Republicans if your town meeting was going south on you. People were starting to raise gang bringing up China instant unity because everybody's frustrated. And so you know, here comes a president, he's trying to do something about it. We buy from them five hundred and forty billion dollars worth the year we sell to them a hundred and twenty so we have a huge trade deficit. And then there's the forced technology transfers that they have, the breaking in of on intellectual property and learning how we do things, and then duplicating it. Um, forced ownership that if you want to do business there, we're gonna be your partners, like doing business with the mob to to some degree. Um. And then there's the usual the president chujing things administration as the mob. Well, you know, I can keep bringing the eat. Well I can say this, there's a lot of non tariff trade barriers, and and people will talk about this on the hill all day long, but they've got to get behind the president and you know is the other thing is when it comes to the NAFTAS and the General Agreements on Trade and all the free trade agreements, it's always strange bedfellows. You have a weird combination of the left and the right getting together and then the business community saying no, just do the deal. Um. So that's why trade is so deff go. But I think that China is absolutely relevant to us. We're going to do something with them. I think it should be moving in the right direction, and I'm confident they'll come to a good And it's been fascinating to see how technology forced ipee, technology transfers, how that really has been where we're at, because we haven't negotiated a major technology deal just really in the last in the last several decades, especially now if if you know Bloomberg's husband reporting on, which is essentially that the administration is pushing for the US to be able to get into Chinese businesses, to make purchase and ownership of Chinese businesses. We all know that the Chinese have funded a host of different fronts here domestically as well as of course and emerging markets like Africa. We've got like literally less than a minute, But yes or no. I like, we're gonna predict it. We're gonna have We're gonna play some predictions because we didn't even get to talk taxes. We're talking taxes. To quote my favorite athlete in all of athletes, Alan Iverson, will we see the president's tax returns? Yes or no? Ro It's not yes or not. We have to Oh no, we won't. It's in every American's business to make sure that the Congress can't get your tax returns, whether your president or whether you're not. We're talking taxes. That's it for me. I'm Kevin Cirelli, Bloomberg News Chief Washington corresponded, you're listening to Bloomberg one

Why from our nations this budget thing is going to do nothing space forces. I still think it's interesting President Trump not playing his cards yet headlines Policy and Politics colliding. Sound on with Kevin's relate the insiders, the influencers, the insiders. I would rather see a congressional solution. It's part of my DNA. The Senate map in looks a lot different than it looked in. You really have a divide within Team Trump. The President has to do exactly what people send him here to do, which is to get it done. He's sound on with Kevin's o relate on Bloomberg one and one m h D two. Baltimore Secretary Kirsten Nielsen is out done, gone from the Department of Homeland Securities. President Trump says reportedly he's not happy about her inability to build that wall. Will Stephen Miller become the new force within the Trump administration or rather an increasingly growing worse withinside of the Trump administration? And what does that mean economically, politically, and well for the President's political coalition heading into cycle. We're gonna ask that to our all star panel with me for the hour. Jack Kingston, former Georgia Congressman as well as a former Trump campaign senior advisor and Raoul Alvalar. He's a Democratic strategist and former national political director for the Democratic National Committee. We're also going to check in with Tom Holman. Uh. He is the former ICE acting director. He's going to call in later on in the show, and in fact, UH, if that wasn't enough for you, don't forget about this. Tomorrow, Attorney General William Barr is set to testify in the House. That's going to be an explosive hearing. We will preview that for you and get all of the latest on trade policy as well. But before we dive into all that jam pack day, Happy Monday, Wow, I mean the same agration story if you haven't been following it closely, so much moving parts, so many many different moving parts. Especially uh. In the last twenty four hours, the headline of Bloomberg Business Week, written by Joshua Green, now that Trump has ousted Secretary Nielsen, it's Miller time presidential advisor Stephen Miller showed who holds power over immigration in the White House, and it's not the Homeland Security Secretary. According to reports, Secretary Nielsen of the Department of Homeland Security met with President Trump on Sunday and offered her resignation, whether or not it was asked for, or however want to put it, she was ousted. Of course, she was really the center and point person inside of the administration on the issue of the wall. She was also a face of the administration, especially during its policies and when she was really politically grilled during multiple Senate and House hearings over the separation of a family issue that has developed. And just over the weekend, Democrats House, Democrats traveling to the US Mexico border. Uh, and look this, this has become an issue for the country to deal with. So let's dive in. Let's dive in. I'm Kevin Cirelli, chief Washington correspondent for Bloomberg Television and Bloomberg Radio. With me for the hour. Jack Kingston. I remember chasing him in the halls of Congress when he was a Republican congressman representing Georgia, as well as on the campaign trail where he was a Trump campaign senior advisor. Now he's off at Squire Patton Boggs, and he's uh traveling the world, and we're thrilled to have him with us. For the Hour, and of course Raoul Alvular, a friend of the program, democratic strategist, former national political director for the d and see Jack, let me begin with you, where does this setting the records right? I never was fast enough to outrun you, and with those I got you questions, it was very difficult. I like to think I like to think that it was my running shoes that he gave the the speed. Headlines crossing the Bloomberg terminal now Jack breaking news, red headline on the Bloomberg terminal. President Trump barred from forcing asylum seekers to wait in Mexico. Are immigration policy now at the center of the You know that's interesting because that was actually Nelson policy. It was called Yeah, it was called the Migrant uh Protection Protocol that, um, they would have to register in Mexico and wait for their answer while seeking an asylum in Mexico. And that was actually one of her policies that President Trump liked. So I think that what we need to do is have Okay, given the fact that Congress is not gonna do anything, and very sad thing, but I think we can agree that's just not gonna happen. Um, what can be done within the law to tighten up the border, and um, you know that I think the case is there. Disagree on the term crisis, but absolutely there is chaos there and we've got to do something. Yeah, yeah, I mean I think there there is definitely issues and problems there from you know, people coming in that are seeking asylum and the President saying that he doesn't even want to hear those those cases is a problem. Uh, you know, and so you know, we still have children that are still separated from their families. Up to two thousand I think is a number, and we don't know when they're going to actually see their families. So, yes, it is a crisis, and it is something that we need Congress to to look at and something that they that we need to fix. From an economic standpoint, one point seven billion dollars daily daily, one point seven billion dollars daily exchanged across the US Mexico border, two thousand miles forty seven points of entry, manufacturing so crucial to the flow of of these exchanges. The US Chamber of Commerce, the business lobby here in Washington d c out against shutting down the border. Then we've got tariffs thrown in to this. I mean, if that wasn't enough. At the end of last week, President Trump says he's gonna increase tariffs on Mexico. Mexico's autist up as up to threatening that. So forget about shutting down the border. Now you've got tariffs wrapped into that. And the U. S m c A still hasn't even been been ratified. But look, I mean, here's what President Trump said. Rob, Well, you mentioned President Trump. I want to play for you a bit of what President Trump had to say over the weekend in Las Vegas on this here's President Trump. I said, what clothes in the border. And as soon as I said that, and I really thank the President of Mexico because they stepped up and now they are apprehending people on their southern border. So row is the president right has has his rhetoric as the pressure pushed the Mexican government to be more aggressive. Uh No, I don't. I don't. I don't think so. Um, you know, we can't take him for his word. One day he says something, I'm gonna shut down the border, and then he's not gonna shut down the border. Uh And and we touched on and you touched on it a little bit ago about the economic ramifications. I mean, all of the automakers said, if you shut down the border, we will be shut down, and we will shut down our our assembly lines are people will be able to work within a week. So I I don't think his rhetoric is helpful helping and I don't think that it is it's going to be helpful for the economy. And they realize that because he's backtracked on that. Uh and Noah, and now it's like, oh, well, maybe do it in a couple of weeks or maybe in a couple of months. Yeah, I gonna take it. You disagree, well, I think his threat was effective, particularly cutting off the aid to hon Duras and El Salvador and Guatemala. I think that the Mexican president said, okay, this is serious, and and the president did say that they stopped fifteen people in one day alone, so that they were stepping it up. But I do agree with your well, I've been to help pass agree, uh, only on this one part. It's only on this one part coming up. But where the the if you go to LPA, so I believe that there are four pedestrian and traffic bridges that constantly all day long going back and forth between Warez and al Paso, and those two cities grew up together economically. Historically, the boundary the Rio Grand has changed the number of times just because of the natural flow of water. But people are constantly going back and forth. Those cities have grown up together economically and socially, so to shut it off would be very, very difficult. It's going back and forth in the its commodities, right, commodities, yes, absolutely, but people working on both sides. Is That's always been the case. So um. However, but let me say say this in terms of Mexico hasn't been serious and I think the President had to give them a serious threat in order to get them to step it up. All right, So uh, there it is. I mean that right there is the base. Raoul alv Lar saying that the presents presidents Frederick hurting the immigration debate. Jack Kingston saying that it has put pressure on Mexico much more coming up on the issue of immigration, especially those economic policy implications of what that would mean. Kevin Mcalenan, the current acting DHS chair, Now that Secretary Nielsen is out, uh seen as a bit more of a moderate as as remarkable as that sounds this given all of the reporting regarding Stephen Miller's increased role. We're gonna get to that. Coming up. We've got Tom Holman, he's the former ICE acting director. He's going to call in and of course on trade policy, as well as a preview of Attorney General William Barrs testimony. I was with some staffers of the committee earlier today on Capitol Hill. I gotta tell you that hearing tomorrow is going to be fire fire panel stays. You can download the sound on podcast on Apple iTunes, at Bloomberg dot com, or by downloading the Bloomberg Business app. You can also find us on Radio dot Com, I Heart Radio, and Spotify. I'm Kevin CURRELLI you are listening to Bloomberg. You're listening to sound On with Kevin's you really on Bloomberg and one seven m h D two Baltimore. They're not saying the president uh committed a crime. They're not saying that he was exonerated, which, by the way, special counsels don't exonerate. So I don't even know why that line's in there. That was j Seclo, the President's attorney, speaking on the Sunday shows ABC's This Week with George Stephanopolis over the weekend. Get ready because tomorrow's hearing is going to be remarkable. This is the first time that we're going to be hearing from Attorney General William Barr since all of the latest developments on his four page memo summary on the Mueller Report. He's going to be testifying before the House Appropriations Committee tomorrow. I was speaking with staffers of the leadership of that committee earlier today on Capitol Hill. I mean it's going to be wall to wall coverage. It sets it begin tomorrow morning. I'm not I'm hearing from staffers. I mean each each member is going to have five minutes to uh to ask questions of the Attorney General. Look, it's gonna it's not even the topic of the hearing is not supposed to be on the Mueller Report. But how I mean, there's no way the a G Is not gonna be asked about all of the latest developments. I do want to get to some other developments on when we're finally going to get the release of the Mueller Report. Because get this. Congressman Doug Collins, a Republican from Georgia, a Republican from Georgia, the top Republican on the House Judiciary Committee, chaired by Jerry Nadler, the Democrat from New York. He wrote to the Chairman of two, Chairman Nadler and said that he wants to have Bob Mueller. Bob Muller testify publicly, to appear for hearing sooner rather than later. They all agree that everybody wants to hear from Muller. But whether or not you get Mueller to testify before or after this four hundred page report of the Mueller Report has released public, nobody knows. I mean, how could you interview a guy publicly to have Bob Mueller testify if you haven't read the report. I asked that to Paripa Hard today on Bloomberg Television, the former uh top Southern District of New York, New York Court judge, the district judge, and he agreed. He said, I mean it would be quite I would be like trying to interview someone about a book and not reading their book. Um, But anyway, here with me for the hour. Another Republican from Georgia, Jack Kingston, a former congressman as well as former Trump campaign senior advisor. Now he's over at Squire pattn and Boggs and roolal v Laura, Democratic strategist, former national political director for the d n C. Alright, Jack, what are you going to be looking for tomorrow from a g BARS public testimony? Well, first of all, I have served on that committee, yes, and I would if I was a Democrat, I would forget anything about appropriations and just say this committee is a vehicle for me to ask my questions, and those questions can be as pointed as partisan or political as you want him to be. And I've sat in that chair and I know because during the Clinton administration or the Obama administration, sometimes the only way you can get a cabinet person in that you wanted to interview about one subject was to get him into talk about appropriation. So I think the Dems are gonna they probably have some great talking points now and they're gonna try to trip him up. If I was a Republican what I would be. I'd just come back and say, as you know, he cannot release this information, it's protected for the grand jury. You're asking him to do something illegal. Then, secondly, a lot of this is redacted information. You know that it's a matter of national security. And frankly, the job of the Minority Party in this case is really to keep the witness by buoyed. I guess, uh, to rehab him if they really get into him. I don't. I think he's unflappable. So I think they ought to just stick to their talking points. Yeah, I mean, I think you're You're right. It's gonna be pretty explosive. I think we're gonna have folks question why it's not made public. Um. You know, as everybody's been saying, the taxpayers paid for this, so you know, we have a right to know the public American people do. Um. And I mean I think you know we we we mentioned the minority party, uh and uh. The House voted uh to have the access of the molars findings of full findings not they redacted four to zero. Um. So there's support that that that this one that they want to make this public. So I think the threat, I mean, what's the thread? I mean, if you're a Democrat, are you trying to figure out why you got a four page summary? Are you trying to figure out who knew what? When? I mean, what what's the threat? Well, you know, we're trying to figure out what exactly happened, like what what what are what are they not giving to the American people? What are they not giving to Congress? Uh, there's a reason why. Uh, there was a reason why bar gave his analysis and his synopsis and and and sent it over what he thought when there was other synopsises and other analysis that were done. He didn't take those into account from what I understand, And so why didn't he? What what is going on? And what is there something underlying? And and what what is that truth that needs to come out? That hearing is set a kick off tomorrow, Am. If you gotta go on Capitol Hill tomorrow, get ready because the media will be out, will be out in full force. Jack. In terms of uh, In terms of the release of the Mueller Report, I mean Republicans agree that the Mueller Report should be released sooner rather than later. You would agree to, right, yes, And I actually think the White House has said yeah, and mc mulvaney yesterday, Um, but you know what, I think that that really is true. In mulvaney also said this yesterday that you release it, there will be something else If you don't get the tax restor turns or do get the tax returns. There will be something else, because this is about politics. I mean, on the Mule report, We've all heard these numbers, but um, twenty eight hundred subpoenas, five hundred witnesses, five hundred warrants, forty FBI agents, nineteen lawyers who I would argue many of them were partisan, and factually six of them gave to the Clinton campaign. You know, if there was something out there, we would know about it. You know, I said this about Hillary Clinton's emails. I'll say it about this. We didn't like enough talking about let us just see the report. I mean, like, let's just see the report. Put it out there. Let everyone. I mean, well, okay that now the House has voted on that, and we gotta go to break. I'm not trying to cut you off with you gotta go to break. Coming up, we've got Tom Holman, h a name on the shortlist to replace Secretary Nielsen, who's out. He's going to join us on the phone line panel Stays. Download the sound on podcast on Apple it tunes, a Bloomberg dot com, or by downloading the Bloomberg Business app. Check us out on radio dot com. I heart radio Spotify. I'm Kevin Cereli. You are listening to Bloomberg. He did a very good job when he was in the White House. Can I see? This is very disturbing and showing a lot of Unrestfully, will have a great career ahead of him. This is not a retirement. He quit. It was very sad when we heard about. It's not unusual for president to lose members the cabinet over these types of disagreement. We wish him well. I find the timing very suspect, and we absolutely wish him well. The president dog houses sometimes revolving door. As you know, President Obama fired him, and essentially so did I Sorry. Secretary Kills Kirston Nielsen, former Department of Homeland Security, but she's added to a growing, a growing list as the Trump administration revolving door turns she's out and uh and Secret Service, Uh, she's out. And Kevin Mcleanan, the current acting director for DHS. This, of course, following the President's recent rhetoric in the past two weeks where he's been threatening to shut down parts of the border, ports of entry, or even what tariffs on auto imports. We just heard from Tom Holme, and he's on the shortlist to replace Secretary Nielsen. He called in from Jena. He's the former ICE acting director serving thirty five plus years. Uh in at ICE. President says he wants to have an immigration zar an immigrations are Maybe it'll be Stephen Miller, remember him, the still policy director inside of the Trump administration, a hardliner on the issue of immigration. With me for the hour, Jack Kingston, former Republican congressman from Georgia, as well as the former Trump campaign senior advisor and Raoul alv Lar, Democratic strategist, former national political director for the d n C. Alright, I watched you watch and listen to that interview with Tom Holman. Raoul, and I'll give you a first DIBs. What I take it you didn't agree with anything that he said. Uh yes, Um. The one thing I did agree on is yes, and Democrats also want to protect the border. We also want to make sure that we have comprehensive immigration. As a matter of fact, Center Menendez and Senator Carper have introduced to build the Senate Central American Reform and Enforcement Act, which would help alleviate a lot of these problems and would ensure individuals and families from Central America that are seeking asylum can present their their claims. UM it would invest seven point five billion dollars over the next five years to the Department of Justice, State Defense, and DHS. UM and so Democrats are doing stuff. And so what happens is when we when we start moving on these things, it gets over to to the leadership where Mitch McConnell and whoever else is at the leadership and squashes it. Uh And and that again is that is a part that is the most frustrating. I think in a lot of this. I mean, we want to move forward, We need to move forward. Uh. And and these these these people that are coming over are a result of the lack of funding that has been taken away. And that's what this act wants to do too, is he wants to reverse the cuts to UH. And as a matter of fact, UM, we started seeing an influx of people trying to come to the US because of that aid being cut because the UH well, because the the circumstances down there are so bad. It has a matter of fact, under the Bush and um Bush and UH the Obama administration, immigration was down. Kevin mcaleen and the acting director for DHS, actually spoke last summer and and said that that he disagreed with the President even when he was talking about cutting a to some of those countries. So it's gonna be interesting to see how Kevin mcaleen and fits in with Stephen Miller and again a red headline on the Bloomberg terminal. The Trump administration barred by a US judge from forcing Central Americans seeking asylum from persecutions to wait in Mexico for months or even years while their applications are being processed. This case is in the Northern District of California, the San Francisco District Court, which of course we know the President has had quite a history with. I want to switch it up because the other big stories aside from immigration, kind of interconnected, especially should the President slap tariffs on on autos coming from Mexico. By but this is the U. S. And China and the ongoing trade debate. Uh and Jack Kingston, former Republican congressman familiar with with the U. S. China train talks. Are we any closer to a summit between President she and President Trump? I think we are. I think we're in the stages that are continuing a positioning. But I think both countries know now that the other country is serious. Um. And just think about this. Most members of Congress, we used to laugh, Democrats and Republicans if your town meeting was going south on you. People were starting to raise gang bringing up China instant unity because everybody's frustrated. And so you know, here comes a president, he's trying to do something about it. We buy from them five hundred and forty billion dollars worth the year we sell to them a hundred and twenty so we have a huge trade deficit. And then there's the forced technology transfers that they have, the breaking in of on intellectual property and learning how we do things, and then duplicating it. Um, forced ownership that if you want to do business there, we're gonna be your partners, like doing business with the mob to to some degree. Um. And then there's the usual the president chujing things administration as the mob. Well, you know, I can keep bringing the eat. Well I can say this, there's a lot of non tariff trade barriers, and and people will talk about this on the hill all day long, but they've got to get behind the president and you know is the other thing is when it comes to the NAFTAS and the General Agreements on Trade and all the free trade agreements, it's always strange bedfellows. You have a weird combination of the left and the right getting together and then the business community saying no, just do the deal. Um. So that's why trade is so deff go. But I think that China is absolutely relevant to us. We're going to do something with them. I think it should be moving in the right direction, and I'm confident they'll come to a good And it's been fascinating to see how technology forced ipee, technology transfers, how that really has been where we're at, because we haven't negotiated a major technology deal just really in the last in the last several decades, especially now if if you know Bloomberg's husband reporting on, which is essentially that the administration is pushing for the US to be able to get into Chinese businesses, to make purchase and ownership of Chinese businesses. We all know that the Chinese have funded a host of different fronts here domestically as well as of course and emerging markets like Africa. We've got like literally less than a minute, But yes or no. I like, we're gonna predict it. We're gonna have We're gonna play some predictions because we didn't even get to talk taxes. We're talking taxes. To quote my favorite athlete in all of athletes, Alan Iverson, will we see the president's tax returns? Yes or no? Ro It's not yes or not. We have to Oh no, we won't. It's in every American's business to make sure that the Congress can't get your tax returns, whether your president or whether you're not. We're talking taxes. That's it for me. I'm Kevin Cirelli, Bloomberg News Chief Washington corresponded, you're listening to Bloomberg one