It's the son of a Butch podcast. It's Master's Week and episode two of Bush Harmon talking about the Masters. Put up some questions last week and it's kind of a ask Butch segment. He's gonna answer your questions. Got some really good questions, and um, I think everybody will be Um, yeah, I think they'll be maybe a little surprised by his answers. But um, anytime you can get you know, someone like him, his takes, um and get an opportunity for him to answer your questions. Um, I think it's invaluable on him. I mean, his takes on the game on Augusta and um, you know, just his life in general. Always good to listen to him. So sit back and enjoy episode two of The Master's Pregame show with Butch Harmon. I put some questions up and so these dad are the fans questions. Had a bunch of people ask me what is your personal favorite Master's moment? Oh my gosh, I would have to say Tiger in ninety seven when he won. The reason being I always told Tiger when he was younger, the beauty of Tiger Woods was. He loved to hear about the old timers what how'd your dad do this? Hogan Nelson sneeen. We were. I mean you always had him playing practice rounds with Raymond Floyd and guys that had won there before. And you know, my dad won by five and he said it was the greatest feeling in the world walking up to seventy second hold with a five shot lead because he knew he couldn't lose. And I remember when Tiger was just a teenager and we were talking about this. I said, you know, Sunday, that's going to happen to you. Well in ninety seven, I can remember standing behind the eighteenth green and he's breaking the record and He's went in by his zillion shots and I'm standing back there and it was kind of overcast, but I had my sunglasses on because I had tears in my eyes. I'm thinking to myself, obvious some bits. I told this kid that this is going to happen to him someday, and arey cops. And it just did my heart good to see it, because I know how much it meant to my father the way he did it. And people don't realize when you come to the last hole of a big lead, it's it's there's so much relief off your shoulders and being tied or one at one back or one in front. So that part to me was really special. And then obviously eighty six when Jack Nicholas one was pretty oppressive. I've told this story before and but it you talked about having a big lead DJ when he won there, you know, he said he didn't look at any of the leader boards, and there aren't a lot of leaderboards like there are at PGA Tour events where there's pretty much leaderboards in every hole. So if you really don't want to look, you can kind of not look. And he hit it in that bunker, and he hit it and he said to AJ, so walking up to eighteen hold, he said, are we leading? I mean, am I in the lead? Don't have a big lead in? AJ said, probably got like a three shot lead. Even I can't miss this out. I may have to I love DJ, but I may have to sell the bullshit flag on that. I guarantee he knew where he stood coming up seventy seconds. There's no way he didn't know. And I guarante, and I guarantee you you give Austin a three shot leave in the middle of that fairway, he's gonna struggle to make par. I can tell you that he was playing and had three shot lead to be struggling to breathe A you kidney, Um, what's a lot of people ask this, what's your favorite hole at Augusta? When I when I play there in my favorite hole is the twelfth The reason being is I get to walk through the green, go to the tournament. He never get to go over that, so well, that's that's true. I mean, you get over When we were my brothers and I were playing in November, we get over the green and hey, guys, look back waving all the people back there, even though there was nobody there. That isn't I mean last year I went and played um when DJ was defending champion. Um, I'd never been on the golf course and he went up and did a little scouting mission, you know, the week before, and like you, like you said, I had never been onto So I didn't play, but I got to walk around. I'd never been on to the twelfth green. And when you actually when you actually get down to that part of the golf course, when you get down to eleven, when you get down to twelve, that entire part of the golf course. Dad has a completely different field than the rest of the golf course because because it is one of the places in the tournament when you go and if you're lucky enough to watch that, you can never get anywhere close to you can't. Also, I think the interesting thing about the eleventh green is when you look at all of the things around the eleventh Green, the undulations of the approach shots, of the chip shots that jefta. But when you get on the twelfth green, I think people would be absolutely floored by how small it is. It is a tiny, tiny green. Well, the beauty of twelve is and the old timers will tell you because the wind comes down there whips it around. It's why you'll see a guy hit a shot that he thinks he's hit a really good shot and he gets hit with a gust and the ball goes in the middle of the lake with like an eight iron or nine iron. People, so, how the hell can that happen? And it's coming if they're doing that, it's coming up sometimes twenty yards short. Oh yeah, So I mean that's not they hit a bad shot, that's the wind. But the old timers will tell you and you'll watch the guy that have been there forever. You can see the flag on twelve going one way, but they look over their left shoulder till eleven because the flag on eleven is the true direction the winds going above the trees, because eleven is not in there with all those trees. It's exposed so you can see it. But still it's it is. I would say over the bunker where you probably should play everyone. If you hit in the middle of the green every time, you'd be the happiest guy on the course. It's probably not even thirty feet deep because it's it's very narrow, and it's just a great hole. It just shows you that these modern part threes that are two hundred and twenty two iron and thirty yards or a joke, because this isn't even one hundred and fifty yards long, and it kicks the butt of the best in the world because it's so tricky the way the wind blows down there. That's why it's my favorite hole in the whole court. It's not only to play, but to watch it during the tournament. This was an interesting question that someone asked, what's the most difficult shot at Augusta during the tournament that nobody talks about, that they're not constantly talking about all the time. What is the shot that you say that having played there, having been there for pretty much the majority of your life, and then having commentated, what is a shot that the viewers can say, Okay, this is a hole that you wouldn't think, this is a difficult one. But if a guy has this and is able to get this fifteen twenty feet, they're literally sprinting to go mark their ball without a shot to drive off the first team. The anxiety that's going through these guys. Think about the Great Tiger Woods, some of the worst drives he's ever hit at Augusta on the first team. It's not because he's nervous. It's just he's so anched up. He's like a horse in the starting gate a Kentucky Derby. He's ready to go and drive. You watch some of the best players in the world hit some of the worst drives you've ever seen in your life. It's amazing how many times they're playing out of the left trees or even the ninth fairway. Sometimes you know, because that bunker on the right is very deep when you hit it and bunker, it's hard to get it to the green. And I think that's the shot that I know who it's surprised your viewer who asked the question. I think the hard shot is the one you hit up the first tea, which sounds ridiculous for the best players in the world, but look at how many bad drives we see. I think another one that you hear the guys talk about again if you've never been there, the layoup on fifteen. If you don't go for that green into where you lay that ball up, I mean it is on a straight down slope. Here's the interesting thing where people don't realize when they see a guy dump of eighty ninety yard wedge shot into the water. First of all, you're hitting off the severe down slope and the greens above you. I know it's hard to believe, but the green is up a little higher. The only flash spot you hit is if you hit. If you're lay it up, you lay it up way to the left over there, you have a chance. But then if the pins over there on the left and you know you don't want to get it down there, you don't want that sixty fifty sixty seventy yards shot off that dam. You'd be better off back up on the hill where you get hit a nine iron or something and have a better chance. It's one of the coolest wedge shots ever. I can remember a couple of years ago when Billy and I were playing there. I came to that hall and I was I was only like four over part I was having a good day, and I said, oh my gosh, I got a great chance to shoot my age today. And you know, seventy nine now, so I would have been seventy seven or what else. And then I said, I'm only like four over or something, and I laid it up perfect. I'm still on the hall. I haven't finished. I put some walls in the water, so there goes that. Well. The other thing that I don't think people realize is when you do lay it up, regardless when the pins on the right hand side or when the pins down their front left, you hit it over that green, and it is you can chip it or put it in the water in a heartbeat, because it's so severe that slope going back from if you're over that green, it is so severe that you're scared to death of running it past. So then you lay the sawt over it and don't even get it on. And now you've got to hit the same shot that you were scared of before. When you go over that green state ten fifteen yard, you're probably six to eight feet below the actual putty surface and you're pitching back up into the grain and not allowed to green the pitch. And what I've seen, lady the last few years that we didn't used to see in the old days because guys can hit the ball so far, is guys that catch one and they knock it over the green and it goes in the lake on sixteen. We used to never see that because the grasses cuts mode so much nicer now and it's all down grain, and that ball takes off, it's going into water on sixteen. Then you're really upset because, as you mentioned in the beginning, because it's played at the same place every year, we know where the pin positions are going to be very rarely on Sunday. I mean, they're never going to put a pin on the right front right of the green at fifteen. They're never going to put a pin on the front right at sixteen. They're always going to put the pin on fifteen to the left down at the bottom. They're always going to put that pin on sixteen, the iconic sixteenth pin position where Tiger Chip did sixteen more than any of them. Occasionally they'll put it straight back in the middle of the green. You can remember years ago Nichols hole a big pot putting up the hill. Usually the pin on Sunday used to be kind of on the right side, straight back towards the back of the green. They use the one over to the left on Saturday, but they've changed that up now, so it's either going to be one or the two. It just makes for an exciting hole. I mean, it's it's just special watching those guys play. They've linked in that tea a little. They didn't have a lot of room, but they went back to the left end. It's lower. It's actually below the fairway, so the ball doesn't carry quite as far as it used to. But there's still most of the time hitting some sort of iron in there. But you know, it's it's like anything else. A lot depends on the wind can be. We've seen seventy back in the day have the lead coming in. He's hitting the forearm to the green, trying to hit a high fate and don't quite hit it, hits in the water costum winning. Even in Norman's debacle when he was still hanging in there, you know he struggled on those holes coming at sixteen, even hit in the water. So it's there's I would say, there's tragedy waiting for you. That's why I say Augusta to win Augusta is a really really mental game. You gotta really to be smart and learn how to play that course. So is it harder to win from the front or is it easier to chase? Because obviously if you do have a lead, and we've seen that over the years, we see guys that have a lead and all of a sudden, by the fifth hole, the lead's gone and all of a sudden they've got a two three shot lead. Didn't take advantage of two. And also, to do you feel like it's a golf course and a tournament that it is hard to lead from the front on Sunday, I think it depends on the individual. You've had great front runners you've had. Tiger Woods is probably the greatest front runner in the history of the game. He just takes off and leads you. Jack was the greatest champion of all time. You know, he won eighteen majors nineteen seconds. I mean he could have won thirty something major. But those guys were smart taken hand out. Now you have other guys don't feel comfortable with the league. You have a lot of great players that have won a lot of tournaments and had never won one when they had the lead because they come behind and they can free wheel it a little and say, well, I got nothing to lose. I'm just going to turn and loose and start shooting for everything. The guy that has the lead, depending on who he is, it's a lot of pressure on him and the mindset dad of you, I mean, that is interesting that you mentioned that some guys, I mean, Tiger loved having a lead, and then there are other guys that have never really won tournaments being in the lead they've worn What is it about the mindset of the chaser and the guy that's got the lead, and how are those different? What depends on how well the guy was playing that had the league. Did he do with his putting? Does he have an exceptional putting week where he gets up and down every time and all of a sudden, now it's the fourth round, of the first major of the year that you got the National Masters, and he's scared to death going out there because you know he hasn't had his best shot. Stuff. If you're having control of your golf ball, especially your iron games, scottis Sheffer is a perfect one. He controls his ball beautifully the way he's played John rom Rory. These guys control their ball. And we could put Cantley in a whole bunch of other guys in there too, But this is the important part. And then here comes the coup right here. How comfortable are you with the league? Some guys love it, they absolutely love it. DJ is very good at it. DJ gets the lead, he loves it. Rory likes to lay. They got to come get need And the only way they can get me is if I make a mistake. So if I don't make any mistakes, That's why I say it's a mental thing. You've got to be strong mentally to deal with it. We had some people ask Tiger or Jack, who's the greatest of all time? Well, first of all, it's different erors, so it's hard to compare them, especially with a different equipment and stuff. The way I answered that question, all the time is Jack is the greatest champion that's ever lived. There's no doubt about it. He won eighteen majors, he got nineteen seconds, He's got thirteen thirds. He could have won a zillion majors. Every time there was a major, Jack Knicks was there with a changed Tiger is the greatest player I've ever seen. He could take over a golf course. He won the US Open by fifteen shots. He wins these majors by eight and nine and ten shots. No one's ever done that. I don't think you could say one's better than the other. To me, they're the two greatest players that have ever played the game, and I in no way I can say one's better than the other. I wish they could have both played against each other in their prime because it would have been something to see. We had a lot of people asked this question, what's the difference between elite and what's the difference between good? What's what's because everybody, I mean, Dad, you work with so many players, I work with players. I'm always getting asked that question. What is it that separates players from level to level? But that elite? Rory McElroy, Dustin Johnson, Scottie Cheffer, the great great players of any era, Jack Arnie Whatever, Tiger, Greg Faldo. What is the differentiator that separates the good from the great, from the good from the really really elite players? I think the best, the ultimate champions, it's all mental. They handle every situation perfectly. They understand their adrenaline rushes in their body. How much further do they hit a shot when they're all jacked up? They have the ability and do you hear me say this all the time that the last shot never happened? It's gone. I can't be thinking about it three holes later. How did I three put that green from twelve feet or something? The great ones just put it out of their mind and they are totally focused on what they've got control of right now. And the only thing you have control of is the next shot that you're going to hit. And these guys, because they're all good, these players today are all really good. And you've got guys that win a lot of tournaments and don't even win them ever win a major. You know, it's because it's it's hard to win a major. But the guys that have total control of their mind, their ability to know their nervous system and control and have a great caddy that can keep them going and involved with that. That's the difference between the elite and the really good ones. Do you think you can overprepare for Augusta. I always think the guys get there too early. They do too many kind of scouting missions and then the golf course. Now, I mean, that's the great thing about Augusta too. It it gets in their head early, and the people setting up the golf course they know that it's getting in their head. And everybody always says, I don't know why I'm playing these practice rounds because by the time we get to Thursday, the golf course from Wednesday night to Thursday morning can be totally different than the of course they played for the last three days. It's the young ones that go there and over prepare. The champions will go there the week before and they'll play and they'll do there, but they're caddying to do it. Then they may not show up till Tuesday, and then they'll only play nine holes. They'll play nine holes Tuesday, nine holes Wednesday, and then they'll go play the tournament. The young ones are the first and second timers. Man they're they're there the weekend before. By the time Thursday comes around, they're not only one out of physic but they weren't out mentally. They're like, how the hell are we going to play this hole? Oh my god, I can't, you know, And everybody's telling them. The old timers love messing with the new ones. This ye okay, here, let's start off on number two. You can't hit to the left on number two. Okay, if you hook it down there, there's a creek down there, and there's a Delta Airlines ticket agency down there to get your fight because you're not gonna be here on Saturday. That's the first thing. So now you've played the first hole, you made bogue, you're gonna double bogie the second. Then you get on thirty, act like you can drive the green, but you hit it over the green and you pitch it back over the green. You made another double. Now you're staying on the fourth tea. So they messed with his kids heads all the time. But I think you watch the really good ones. They don't play a lot of practice rounds. They usually go nine and nine. Someone will come in on Monday and just play Tuesday and Wednesday. Most of them, the upper echelon, have been there the week before and they've worked on their games and they know their game plan for the way that the course is set up. It's it's man, it's a mental test to Gusta National, I'm here to tell you it is a mental test. We had a lot of people that right in and ask about the work that you've been doing with Ricky Fowler and some of the work that you've just started doing with Tommy Fleetwood. Let's talk about Ricky first. I mean, obviously disappointed not to play his way into August, but I think we're starting to see some signs of life and Ricky starting to play golf like I know he wants to, and how we all know he can play as well. Yeah, we got back together last November. Did most of it just on video because I was in Florida my brother Craig, who lives down there as a member at the Medalist where he's a member, and Craig was kind of my eyes. We laid out. I laid out a whole plan for Ricky what I wanted to do to change the flame of his arm, give him more hip, turning a lot of different things that we've worked on, and then Craig would go watch him and film him for me and send it back and forth. Ricky's not a great job. He's very upset that he's not playing at Augusta. I thought he had a good chance in the match play if he had just got to the out of the first three, and unfortunately that didn't happen. He would have been high enough to get in. But that's okay. He's going to be there and the rest of the majors. I guarantee he will win this year. That's how good he's playing. He's got tremendous confidence. Again, it's just I played with him member guests last month down to flirting. He came up and played on Friday in the practice round with us. He made nine birdies again, you know, so his game is there. It's a matter now. The one area of it that I still amount one hundred percent happy with as his driving. He's not seeing quite the draw that he likes to hit off the team consistently. So we're doing a little more extra work with the driver and get that dialed in. Ricky's gonna win, and he's gonna win soon, and the game needs Ricky Fowler to play good because he's one of the most popular guys in our sport, and it's just nice to see him back up doing what he's doing and having a good chance. Tommy Fleetwood, Dad, you started working with him. Tommy, he's one of the guys that on the driving range. If I'm waiting for one of you know, the guys I'm working with, I'll sit and watch Tommy hit golf balls. I think I'm in the majority in that. Like you, I'm surprised Tommy hasn't won more. I'm surprised he hasn't certainly hasn't won more on the PGA Tour. What do you like about Kim and talk a little bit about what you've been doing with his game. I love his golf swing. I love the way he swings. I think Tommy is a good dark horse better at August of the course kind of suits his eye because he draws the ball, and I think now more than in the past or some of the new teas, a draw becomes a little more important than he used to. He's got to put a little more consistently than he has. He's switch putters and has gone back to his old putter, which he feels more comfortable with. I think it's just getting comfortable with the changes. As you know, change isn't easy. Change is hard no matter who you are, no matter how much talent you have, and you're you're faults will always creep back in there. So I actually have all my players whatever change we're making, I make them exaggerate the heck out of it on the practice team. That way, when they go to the course, they can feel more comfortable. I think Tommy's ready to break out. That driver's back, his little draws back and sees it. He's feeling more comfortable about it. He's ready to go, So it's going to be interesting to see how he does. And besides that, he's one of the nicest guys you could ever meet. I love Tommy Fleetwood. I love this golf game. I love him. He's got a great sense of humor. He's just a good guy. Can you understand a word his caddie, Finno says, or do you need a translator? No? I can't understand him. And he's also like six foot eight. I mean I can't even So you don't want it. You don't want to understand that. I can't understand him a bit, and I'm one thing. If a fight breaks out, I'm just standing behind him and talking shit going in, I'm gonna take your ass. You've got to come to him. To me, Well, I'll tell you what if you If you stand behind finno U, nobody's gonna be able to see you because he's six to eight and they have we talked about it earlier. They have a great player caddy relationship. They get along so well. They're good friends. He's a good guy, that catty, He's something. Uh, give me your three favorites and then give me three dark horses. You've kind of touched on them, but we'll put you on the spot. Give me three favorites and three dark horses. I would say, well, I've already told I've already told you I thought Rory's gonna win. I mean, you'd have to take the top three in the world Scottish chef for Rory John Ram would be the ones everybody would take. But if you look down the list, I think the two, the two that I am going to be most interested to see, and you're involved in one of them, are Smith and DJ. I want to see how they handle Augusta. I want to see because it's the first time they've been involved with a guy. With all these guys and a big major and stuff, that's going to be the interesting thing for me to see. You've got to look at the guys that have been playing that are hot going in here, but I think you're dark horses, and I love this guy and if he can control his temperament, he's really awesome to Trail Hatton. I mean, this guy's Tarrell Hatton has got to be your spirit animal because he's basically got the same type of temper you had when you played on tour. Yeah, well a lot better Talleton I had, that's for damn sure. But I love Taryll Hatton. I think you've seen Justin Roses started to play well again. He's another one nobody's thinking about. Brooks is really playing well again. Lowry's playing well again. I mean, you've got a lot of guys that could be dark horses, and then you got the guys that are I was just writing some things down, guys that are flying in under the radar, who aren't even being talked about. He got Patrick Cantley, one of the best players in the world, nobody's talking about it. Max Homan, nobody's talking about it. Jordan Thomas and Spieth, nobody talks about it, Young and Tom Kim, these guys nobody's talking about. These guys are all capable of winning this tournament. And I'll tell you who's really it's gonna be one of the most exciting Masters we've had in a long time. Fun. And I'll tell you who's really starting to play good again? Who's been doing a lot of work with Chris Como. I think Chris has done a great job. I've had him on the podcast. Jason Day start to play good again. I mean Jay Day's golf swing looks good. He's been a major champion before, he's been number one in the world. I mean, if Jason gets that putter going like when he puts like he does, i mean he's he's pretty good. Yeah. Chris Cormo has done a phenomenal job with him. You know, he never used to make any hip turn. He's all up or body turn. That's why his back was so bad. He's got him rotated his hips now, which takes the pressure off his back. He seems to have his mojo back too. The same thing you see with Ricky when they walk, you can tell that the confidence is back. So Jay Day is another one. But there's the game is in a great place. I mean, we've got so many good young players. It's unbelievable. It's just and the Masters is always special because it's the first one and somebody who you would never believe is going to be leading after the first round because that usually always happens there and then they go away and you know, but it's going to be a great Master if we've got so many good players that are playing good, and that's what you look at coming into a major, who's playing good. Oh my god, there's fifteen or twenty of them that are playing great at this point in time coming in here, and none of them are really rookies there. They've all played there before. They know the course, they know how to handle it. I think it's gonna be awesome. I thought this was a good question. Somebody said, what do you know now that you didn't know when you started teaching. Oh my gosh. One of the things I've pride myself on. If I don't know what I don't know, I'll go learn it. I'll go talk to somebody who does know it. I mean, think about teaching Claude, and you've been doing this for quite a while. I've done it for my whole life. What I teach now, I didn't teach ten years ago, but I taught ten years ago and teach twenty years ago. Equipment has changed a lot, Players had changed a lot, the physical fitness part of players, the size of players. Back in my day, I'm five ft eight. Back in my day, everybody was five to eight, five nine, five ten would have been pretty tall. Now everybody's over six feet. There's six, one, two, three and four. They're all great athletes. So it's a different scenario. And as an instructor, you have to change according to the times. When you look at who you're dealing with, the capabilities of them, how strong are they? The club had speed so much faster. You look at what equipment has done. The ball doesn't curve as much as it used to, so they can go at it harder. So all of these things have to factor in. You look in the old days with wooden drivers and softballs, a big reverse seas that everybody got into hitting it, trying to get the ball in the air. You're looking now we want everybody on top of it to launch it high with as little spin as you can. So I think you have to evaluate everything that's going on, and you have to think outside the box. I'm a great believe it that I don't think in the box. I think outside the box, and outside the box is a wide ring. What I mean is, don't get caught up in everybody doing everything the same way, because that's a bunch of bs that doesn't work, and people that have taught that way none of those players are on the tour anymore. So think outside the box, have an open mind, and always look at what guys are doing. You may see a guy you don't like the way he swings, and all of a sudden he's a good player. Of all, Why the hell's he a good player? I mean, look at Scottish Cheffer's footwork or Bubba Watson's footwork. If that's the thing. I think that Randy Smith has done such a great job with Scottie because you've been with him forever. You don't change those things. That's what they do naturally. And so as I've taught you, and as my dad taught me, you never take away what someone does naturally. You just try and make them better. But yeah, my whole philosophy on teaching has changed maybe every ten or twelve years. I had somebody asked this question. I thought it was interesting if you could become TPI certified, meaning learn about the body swing connection, or become certified, you know, in a launch monitor, and learn everything about the launch monitor. Which one would you do and which one would you suggest people? To learn about how the body works and how that affects the golf swing, or to look at all the numbers and become proficient in everything a launch monitor can tell you. Well, first of all, a launch monitor can't hit a shot, so I don't give a damn. But the numbers are telling me on the launch monitor. That's information, But that's not the whole thing. I'd rather see. You have a great body, and you do the things in your body that allow you to do the things you want. One of them you and I've had this conversation. One of the things that I find when I was first, when I would left the tour in twenty nineteen and now, like I only go to the master's to watch a lot of these teachers. They never watched the guy swing. They never watched the ball that'd instantly go to all the numbers. Well, I would love my father to be alive today because with the launch monitors. Can you can you imagine your grandfather today with everybody looking into launch monitor and you could just here, hey, pal, let me explain something to you. That see that machine right there, never hit a shot. It's never hit one. Doesn't know how to hit one, doesn't know how to tell you how to hit one. And come Sunday on the back nine at Augusta, when that red light on that camera's burning a hole in your forehead right here, and you know it's burning that hole, you better help. You're not thinking about that damn lunch monitor. That and you gotta pay, and you gotta pay thirty grand to get one. I don't. I don't have. Actually, I teach with two of them. They're right here, my big baby blues. Those are my large monitors. UM, the sky team. UM, they're like a second family to you. I know that, even though you're not doing it as much as as you used to. I know it is something that UM. And now that you do it, you know only once a year at Augusta. But to come back and and get with all the people at Sky Sports, the golf team there, um, all the crew, Radar, Coltart nick Um. It's like a second family to you. I know, well, you know I first did it. The first thing we do was the small part of the Ryder Cup in ninety five at o'kill and I've been doing it ever since, so I mean, I know everybody there. I'm actually it's so funny when I mean over in the UK plane golf or something. I'm much more known in the UK than I am in the US. And it has not to do with the teaching and all the great players up. It's all television. It's just I'll tell you a great story last year when we went to Royal County down the first time I got to go as being a member in Northern Ireland, which is my favorite golf course in the world. Because of COVID after I became a member in nineteen I couldn't get over there. I had the best time and we flew over and my good friend stand Bucket Miller's eighty million dollars Global and it was just a phenomenal plane and we pulled we land and we put it Parkers off Nowheres and these two guys that are bringing the plane in stuff. We get this is so funny. We get off the plane and they go, ah, can we get Petway there next year? Plane said, oh, we yeah, please do next to my plane. Absolutely, we're excited that you're coming to August. I know a bunch of the guys and the fact that you know, I've pretty much told everybody that you're coming, so you're gonna be amongst friends. Everybody's going to be excited to see you. And I agree with you. I think we're gonna have a special masters and I look forward to it and Roy going for the Grand Slam, you know, Scottie Scheffler trying to repeat John Ram. I mean, I think it's a golf course. It's made for him. And then the live guys. I think it'll be fun. Look forward to seeing y'all. See you on Monday. Well, I'm looking forward to being there. And as the great referee in boxing, you did all the big fights here at Mills. Lane used to say, let's get it off. Thanks for talking to us. You gotta love you, pal. So that was a really good segment where Butch Harmon asks answers your questions and I love doing that and I love getting you know your feedback, UM, and listen, he's my dad, but he's also I mean, he's an icon and UM I just did a pot if you haven't listened, making a case for him to be in the Hall of Fame. He's been on the pod before, so if you're new and you're new listener, UM, he's been on a couple of times. He's always got good takes and UM, it's a treasure trove of information when you when you get an opportunity to talk to Butch Harmon And like I said, I'm lucky. UM I talked to him all the time. He's my dad, but um, he's just such an iconic figure in golf instruction, Um, an iconic figure in in professional golf. And anytime UM I get a chance to talk to him, I feel I'm much better for it. And that was it. Uh So two episodes this week. If you haven't listened to yesterday's go check it out. But UM, I figured pretty cool to do that around this week Special week. We're all looking forward to see um Augusta National and all its glory and I'm looking forward to it as well. So hope everybody enjoys watching if you're going have fun, and if you're watching on TV, enjoy it as well. Son of a Butch comes to you every Wednesday. We will see you next week.

It's the son of a Butch podcast. It's Master's Week and episode two of Bush Harmon talking about the Masters. Put up some questions last week and it's kind of a ask Butch segment. He's gonna answer your questions. Got some really good questions, and um, I think everybody will be Um, yeah, I think they'll be maybe a little surprised by his answers. But um, anytime you can get you know, someone like him, his takes, um and get an opportunity for him to answer your questions. Um, I think it's invaluable on him. I mean, his takes on the game on Augusta and um, you know, just his life in general. Always good to listen to him. So sit back and enjoy episode two of The Master's Pregame show with Butch Harmon. I put some questions up and so these dad are the fans questions. Had a bunch of people ask me what is your personal favorite Master's moment? Oh my gosh, I would have to say Tiger in ninety seven when he won. The reason being I always told Tiger when he was younger, the beauty of Tiger Woods was. He loved to hear about the old timers what how'd your dad do this? Hogan Nelson sneeen. We were. I mean you always had him playing practice rounds with Raymond Floyd and guys that had won there before. And you know, my dad won by five and he said it was the greatest feeling in the world walking up to seventy second hold with a five shot lead because he knew he couldn't lose. And I remember when Tiger was just a teenager and we were talking about this. I said, you know, Sunday, that's going to happen to you. Well in ninety seven, I can remember standing behind the eighteenth green and he's breaking the record and He's went in by his zillion shots and I'm standing back there and it was kind of overcast, but I had my sunglasses on because I had tears in my eyes. I'm thinking to myself, obvious some bits. I told this kid that this is going to happen to him someday, and arey cops. And it just did my heart good to see it, because I know how much it meant to my father the way he did it. And people don't realize when you come to the last hole of a big lead, it's it's there's so much relief off your shoulders and being tied or one at one back or one in front. So that part to me was really special. And then obviously eighty six when Jack Nicholas one was pretty oppressive. I've told this story before and but it you talked about having a big lead DJ when he won there, you know, he said he didn't look at any of the leader boards, and there aren't a lot of leaderboards like there are at PGA Tour events where there's pretty much leaderboards in every hole. So if you really don't want to look, you can kind of not look. And he hit it in that bunker, and he hit it and he said to AJ, so walking up to eighteen hold, he said, are we leading? I mean, am I in the lead? Don't have a big lead in? AJ said, probably got like a three shot lead. Even I can't miss this out. I may have to I love DJ, but I may have to sell the bullshit flag on that. I guarantee he knew where he stood coming up seventy seconds. There's no way he didn't know. And I guarante, and I guarantee you you give Austin a three shot leave in the middle of that fairway, he's gonna struggle to make par. I can tell you that he was playing and had three shot lead to be struggling to breathe A you kidney, Um, what's a lot of people ask this, what's your favorite hole at Augusta? When I when I play there in my favorite hole is the twelfth The reason being is I get to walk through the green, go to the tournament. He never get to go over that, so well, that's that's true. I mean, you get over When we were my brothers and I were playing in November, we get over the green and hey, guys, look back waving all the people back there, even though there was nobody there. That isn't I mean last year I went and played um when DJ was defending champion. Um, I'd never been on the golf course and he went up and did a little scouting mission, you know, the week before, and like you, like you said, I had never been onto So I didn't play, but I got to walk around. I'd never been on to the twelfth green. And when you actually when you actually get down to that part of the golf course, when you get down to eleven, when you get down to twelve, that entire part of the golf course. Dad has a completely different field than the rest of the golf course because because it is one of the places in the tournament when you go and if you're lucky enough to watch that, you can never get anywhere close to you can't. Also, I think the interesting thing about the eleventh green is when you look at all of the things around the eleventh Green, the undulations of the approach shots, of the chip shots that jefta. But when you get on the twelfth green, I think people would be absolutely floored by how small it is. It is a tiny, tiny green. Well, the beauty of twelve is and the old timers will tell you because the wind comes down there whips it around. It's why you'll see a guy hit a shot that he thinks he's hit a really good shot and he gets hit with a gust and the ball goes in the middle of the lake with like an eight iron or nine iron. People, so, how the hell can that happen? And it's coming if they're doing that, it's coming up sometimes twenty yards short. Oh yeah, So I mean that's not they hit a bad shot, that's the wind. But the old timers will tell you and you'll watch the guy that have been there forever. You can see the flag on twelve going one way, but they look over their left shoulder till eleven because the flag on eleven is the true direction the winds going above the trees, because eleven is not in there with all those trees. It's exposed so you can see it. But still it's it is. I would say over the bunker where you probably should play everyone. If you hit in the middle of the green every time, you'd be the happiest guy on the course. It's probably not even thirty feet deep because it's it's very narrow, and it's just a great hole. It just shows you that these modern part threes that are two hundred and twenty two iron and thirty yards or a joke, because this isn't even one hundred and fifty yards long, and it kicks the butt of the best in the world because it's so tricky the way the wind blows down there. That's why it's my favorite hole in the whole court. It's not only to play, but to watch it during the tournament. This was an interesting question that someone asked, what's the most difficult shot at Augusta during the tournament that nobody talks about, that they're not constantly talking about all the time. What is the shot that you say that having played there, having been there for pretty much the majority of your life, and then having commentated, what is a shot that the viewers can say, Okay, this is a hole that you wouldn't think, this is a difficult one. But if a guy has this and is able to get this fifteen twenty feet, they're literally sprinting to go mark their ball without a shot to drive off the first team. The anxiety that's going through these guys. Think about the Great Tiger Woods, some of the worst drives he's ever hit at Augusta on the first team. It's not because he's nervous. It's just he's so anched up. He's like a horse in the starting gate a Kentucky Derby. He's ready to go and drive. You watch some of the best players in the world hit some of the worst drives you've ever seen in your life. It's amazing how many times they're playing out of the left trees or even the ninth fairway. Sometimes you know, because that bunker on the right is very deep when you hit it and bunker, it's hard to get it to the green. And I think that's the shot that I know who it's surprised your viewer who asked the question. I think the hard shot is the one you hit up the first tea, which sounds ridiculous for the best players in the world, but look at how many bad drives we see. I think another one that you hear the guys talk about again if you've never been there, the layoup on fifteen. If you don't go for that green into where you lay that ball up, I mean it is on a straight down slope. Here's the interesting thing where people don't realize when they see a guy dump of eighty ninety yard wedge shot into the water. First of all, you're hitting off the severe down slope and the greens above you. I know it's hard to believe, but the green is up a little higher. The only flash spot you hit is if you hit. If you're lay it up, you lay it up way to the left over there, you have a chance. But then if the pins over there on the left and you know you don't want to get it down there, you don't want that sixty fifty sixty seventy yards shot off that dam. You'd be better off back up on the hill where you get hit a nine iron or something and have a better chance. It's one of the coolest wedge shots ever. I can remember a couple of years ago when Billy and I were playing there. I came to that hall and I was I was only like four over part I was having a good day, and I said, oh my gosh, I got a great chance to shoot my age today. And you know, seventy nine now, so I would have been seventy seven or what else. And then I said, I'm only like four over or something, and I laid it up perfect. I'm still on the hall. I haven't finished. I put some walls in the water, so there goes that. Well. The other thing that I don't think people realize is when you do lay it up, regardless when the pins on the right hand side or when the pins down their front left, you hit it over that green, and it is you can chip it or put it in the water in a heartbeat, because it's so severe that slope going back from if you're over that green, it is so severe that you're scared to death of running it past. So then you lay the sawt over it and don't even get it on. And now you've got to hit the same shot that you were scared of before. When you go over that green state ten fifteen yard, you're probably six to eight feet below the actual putty surface and you're pitching back up into the grain and not allowed to green the pitch. And what I've seen, lady the last few years that we didn't used to see in the old days because guys can hit the ball so far, is guys that catch one and they knock it over the green and it goes in the lake on sixteen. We used to never see that because the grasses cuts mode so much nicer now and it's all down grain, and that ball takes off, it's going into water on sixteen. Then you're really upset because, as you mentioned in the beginning, because it's played at the same place every year, we know where the pin positions are going to be very rarely on Sunday. I mean, they're never going to put a pin on the right front right of the green at fifteen. They're never going to put a pin on the front right at sixteen. They're always going to put the pin on fifteen to the left down at the bottom. They're always going to put that pin on sixteen, the iconic sixteenth pin position where Tiger Chip did sixteen more than any of them. Occasionally they'll put it straight back in the middle of the green. You can remember years ago Nichols hole a big pot putting up the hill. Usually the pin on Sunday used to be kind of on the right side, straight back towards the back of the green. They use the one over to the left on Saturday, but they've changed that up now, so it's either going to be one or the two. It just makes for an exciting hole. I mean, it's it's just special watching those guys play. They've linked in that tea a little. They didn't have a lot of room, but they went back to the left end. It's lower. It's actually below the fairway, so the ball doesn't carry quite as far as it used to. But there's still most of the time hitting some sort of iron in there. But you know, it's it's like anything else. A lot depends on the wind can be. We've seen seventy back in the day have the lead coming in. He's hitting the forearm to the green, trying to hit a high fate and don't quite hit it, hits in the water costum winning. Even in Norman's debacle when he was still hanging in there, you know he struggled on those holes coming at sixteen, even hit in the water. So it's there's I would say, there's tragedy waiting for you. That's why I say Augusta to win Augusta is a really really mental game. You gotta really to be smart and learn how to play that course. So is it harder to win from the front or is it easier to chase? Because obviously if you do have a lead, and we've seen that over the years, we see guys that have a lead and all of a sudden, by the fifth hole, the lead's gone and all of a sudden they've got a two three shot lead. Didn't take advantage of two. And also, to do you feel like it's a golf course and a tournament that it is hard to lead from the front on Sunday, I think it depends on the individual. You've had great front runners you've had. Tiger Woods is probably the greatest front runner in the history of the game. He just takes off and leads you. Jack was the greatest champion of all time. You know, he won eighteen majors nineteen seconds. I mean he could have won thirty something major. But those guys were smart taken hand out. Now you have other guys don't feel comfortable with the league. You have a lot of great players that have won a lot of tournaments and had never won one when they had the lead because they come behind and they can free wheel it a little and say, well, I got nothing to lose. I'm just going to turn and loose and start shooting for everything. The guy that has the lead, depending on who he is, it's a lot of pressure on him and the mindset dad of you, I mean, that is interesting that you mentioned that some guys, I mean, Tiger loved having a lead, and then there are other guys that have never really won tournaments being in the lead they've worn What is it about the mindset of the chaser and the guy that's got the lead, and how are those different? What depends on how well the guy was playing that had the league. Did he do with his putting? Does he have an exceptional putting week where he gets up and down every time and all of a sudden, now it's the fourth round, of the first major of the year that you got the National Masters, and he's scared to death going out there because you know he hasn't had his best shot. Stuff. If you're having control of your golf ball, especially your iron games, scottis Sheffer is a perfect one. He controls his ball beautifully the way he's played John rom Rory. These guys control their ball. And we could put Cantley in a whole bunch of other guys in there too, But this is the important part. And then here comes the coup right here. How comfortable are you with the league? Some guys love it, they absolutely love it. DJ is very good at it. DJ gets the lead, he loves it. Rory likes to lay. They got to come get need And the only way they can get me is if I make a mistake. So if I don't make any mistakes, That's why I say it's a mental thing. You've got to be strong mentally to deal with it. We had some people ask Tiger or Jack, who's the greatest of all time? Well, first of all, it's different erors, so it's hard to compare them, especially with a different equipment and stuff. The way I answered that question, all the time is Jack is the greatest champion that's ever lived. There's no doubt about it. He won eighteen majors, he got nineteen seconds, He's got thirteen thirds. He could have won a zillion majors. Every time there was a major, Jack Knicks was there with a changed Tiger is the greatest player I've ever seen. He could take over a golf course. He won the US Open by fifteen shots. He wins these majors by eight and nine and ten shots. No one's ever done that. I don't think you could say one's better than the other. To me, they're the two greatest players that have ever played the game, and I in no way I can say one's better than the other. I wish they could have both played against each other in their prime because it would have been something to see. We had a lot of people asked this question, what's the difference between elite and what's the difference between good? What's what's because everybody, I mean, Dad, you work with so many players, I work with players. I'm always getting asked that question. What is it that separates players from level to level? But that elite? Rory McElroy, Dustin Johnson, Scottie Cheffer, the great great players of any era, Jack Arnie Whatever, Tiger, Greg Faldo. What is the differentiator that separates the good from the great, from the good from the really really elite players? I think the best, the ultimate champions, it's all mental. They handle every situation perfectly. They understand their adrenaline rushes in their body. How much further do they hit a shot when they're all jacked up? They have the ability and do you hear me say this all the time that the last shot never happened? It's gone. I can't be thinking about it three holes later. How did I three put that green from twelve feet or something? The great ones just put it out of their mind and they are totally focused on what they've got control of right now. And the only thing you have control of is the next shot that you're going to hit. And these guys, because they're all good, these players today are all really good. And you've got guys that win a lot of tournaments and don't even win them ever win a major. You know, it's because it's it's hard to win a major. But the guys that have total control of their mind, their ability to know their nervous system and control and have a great caddy that can keep them going and involved with that. That's the difference between the elite and the really good ones. Do you think you can overprepare for Augusta. I always think the guys get there too early. They do too many kind of scouting missions and then the golf course. Now, I mean, that's the great thing about Augusta too. It it gets in their head early, and the people setting up the golf course they know that it's getting in their head. And everybody always says, I don't know why I'm playing these practice rounds because by the time we get to Thursday, the golf course from Wednesday night to Thursday morning can be totally different than the of course they played for the last three days. It's the young ones that go there and over prepare. The champions will go there the week before and they'll play and they'll do there, but they're caddying to do it. Then they may not show up till Tuesday, and then they'll only play nine holes. They'll play nine holes Tuesday, nine holes Wednesday, and then they'll go play the tournament. The young ones are the first and second timers. Man they're they're there the weekend before. By the time Thursday comes around, they're not only one out of physic but they weren't out mentally. They're like, how the hell are we going to play this hole? Oh my god, I can't, you know, And everybody's telling them. The old timers love messing with the new ones. This ye okay, here, let's start off on number two. You can't hit to the left on number two. Okay, if you hook it down there, there's a creek down there, and there's a Delta Airlines ticket agency down there to get your fight because you're not gonna be here on Saturday. That's the first thing. So now you've played the first hole, you made bogue, you're gonna double bogie the second. Then you get on thirty, act like you can drive the green, but you hit it over the green and you pitch it back over the green. You made another double. Now you're staying on the fourth tea. So they messed with his kids heads all the time. But I think you watch the really good ones. They don't play a lot of practice rounds. They usually go nine and nine. Someone will come in on Monday and just play Tuesday and Wednesday. Most of them, the upper echelon, have been there the week before and they've worked on their games and they know their game plan for the way that the course is set up. It's it's man, it's a mental test to Gusta National, I'm here to tell you it is a mental test. We had a lot of people that right in and ask about the work that you've been doing with Ricky Fowler and some of the work that you've just started doing with Tommy Fleetwood. Let's talk about Ricky first. I mean, obviously disappointed not to play his way into August, but I think we're starting to see some signs of life and Ricky starting to play golf like I know he wants to, and how we all know he can play as well. Yeah, we got back together last November. Did most of it just on video because I was in Florida my brother Craig, who lives down there as a member at the Medalist where he's a member, and Craig was kind of my eyes. We laid out. I laid out a whole plan for Ricky what I wanted to do to change the flame of his arm, give him more hip, turning a lot of different things that we've worked on, and then Craig would go watch him and film him for me and send it back and forth. Ricky's not a great job. He's very upset that he's not playing at Augusta. I thought he had a good chance in the match play if he had just got to the out of the first three, and unfortunately that didn't happen. He would have been high enough to get in. But that's okay. He's going to be there and the rest of the majors. I guarantee he will win this year. That's how good he's playing. He's got tremendous confidence. Again, it's just I played with him member guests last month down to flirting. He came up and played on Friday in the practice round with us. He made nine birdies again, you know, so his game is there. It's a matter now. The one area of it that I still amount one hundred percent happy with as his driving. He's not seeing quite the draw that he likes to hit off the team consistently. So we're doing a little more extra work with the driver and get that dialed in. Ricky's gonna win, and he's gonna win soon, and the game needs Ricky Fowler to play good because he's one of the most popular guys in our sport, and it's just nice to see him back up doing what he's doing and having a good chance. Tommy Fleetwood, Dad, you started working with him. Tommy, he's one of the guys that on the driving range. If I'm waiting for one of you know, the guys I'm working with, I'll sit and watch Tommy hit golf balls. I think I'm in the majority in that. Like you, I'm surprised Tommy hasn't won more. I'm surprised he hasn't certainly hasn't won more on the PGA Tour. What do you like about Kim and talk a little bit about what you've been doing with his game. I love his golf swing. I love the way he swings. I think Tommy is a good dark horse better at August of the course kind of suits his eye because he draws the ball, and I think now more than in the past or some of the new teas, a draw becomes a little more important than he used to. He's got to put a little more consistently than he has. He's switch putters and has gone back to his old putter, which he feels more comfortable with. I think it's just getting comfortable with the changes. As you know, change isn't easy. Change is hard no matter who you are, no matter how much talent you have, and you're you're faults will always creep back in there. So I actually have all my players whatever change we're making, I make them exaggerate the heck out of it on the practice team. That way, when they go to the course, they can feel more comfortable. I think Tommy's ready to break out. That driver's back, his little draws back and sees it. He's feeling more comfortable about it. He's ready to go, So it's going to be interesting to see how he does. And besides that, he's one of the nicest guys you could ever meet. I love Tommy Fleetwood. I love this golf game. I love him. He's got a great sense of humor. He's just a good guy. Can you understand a word his caddie, Finno says, or do you need a translator? No? I can't understand him. And he's also like six foot eight. I mean I can't even So you don't want it. You don't want to understand that. I can't understand him a bit, and I'm one thing. If a fight breaks out, I'm just standing behind him and talking shit going in, I'm gonna take your ass. You've got to come to him. To me, Well, I'll tell you what if you If you stand behind finno U, nobody's gonna be able to see you because he's six to eight and they have we talked about it earlier. They have a great player caddy relationship. They get along so well. They're good friends. He's a good guy, that catty, He's something. Uh, give me your three favorites and then give me three dark horses. You've kind of touched on them, but we'll put you on the spot. Give me three favorites and three dark horses. I would say, well, I've already told I've already told you I thought Rory's gonna win. I mean, you'd have to take the top three in the world Scottish chef for Rory John Ram would be the ones everybody would take. But if you look down the list, I think the two, the two that I am going to be most interested to see, and you're involved in one of them, are Smith and DJ. I want to see how they handle Augusta. I want to see because it's the first time they've been involved with a guy. With all these guys and a big major and stuff, that's going to be the interesting thing for me to see. You've got to look at the guys that have been playing that are hot going in here, but I think you're dark horses, and I love this guy and if he can control his temperament, he's really awesome to Trail Hatton. I mean, this guy's Tarrell Hatton has got to be your spirit animal because he's basically got the same type of temper you had when you played on tour. Yeah, well a lot better Talleton I had, that's for damn sure. But I love Taryll Hatton. I think you've seen Justin Roses started to play well again. He's another one nobody's thinking about. Brooks is really playing well again. Lowry's playing well again. I mean, you've got a lot of guys that could be dark horses, and then you got the guys that are I was just writing some things down, guys that are flying in under the radar, who aren't even being talked about. He got Patrick Cantley, one of the best players in the world, nobody's talking about it. Max Homan, nobody's talking about it. Jordan Thomas and Spieth, nobody talks about it, Young and Tom Kim, these guys nobody's talking about. These guys are all capable of winning this tournament. And I'll tell you who's really it's gonna be one of the most exciting Masters we've had in a long time. Fun. And I'll tell you who's really starting to play good again? Who's been doing a lot of work with Chris Como. I think Chris has done a great job. I've had him on the podcast. Jason Day start to play good again. I mean Jay Day's golf swing looks good. He's been a major champion before, he's been number one in the world. I mean, if Jason gets that putter going like when he puts like he does, i mean he's he's pretty good. Yeah. Chris Cormo has done a phenomenal job with him. You know, he never used to make any hip turn. He's all up or body turn. That's why his back was so bad. He's got him rotated his hips now, which takes the pressure off his back. He seems to have his mojo back too. The same thing you see with Ricky when they walk, you can tell that the confidence is back. So Jay Day is another one. But there's the game is in a great place. I mean, we've got so many good young players. It's unbelievable. It's just and the Masters is always special because it's the first one and somebody who you would never believe is going to be leading after the first round because that usually always happens there and then they go away and you know, but it's going to be a great Master if we've got so many good players that are playing good, and that's what you look at coming into a major, who's playing good. Oh my god, there's fifteen or twenty of them that are playing great at this point in time coming in here, and none of them are really rookies there. They've all played there before. They know the course, they know how to handle it. I think it's gonna be awesome. I thought this was a good question. Somebody said, what do you know now that you didn't know when you started teaching. Oh my gosh. One of the things I've pride myself on. If I don't know what I don't know, I'll go learn it. I'll go talk to somebody who does know it. I mean, think about teaching Claude, and you've been doing this for quite a while. I've done it for my whole life. What I teach now, I didn't teach ten years ago, but I taught ten years ago and teach twenty years ago. Equipment has changed a lot, Players had changed a lot, the physical fitness part of players, the size of players. Back in my day, I'm five ft eight. Back in my day, everybody was five to eight, five nine, five ten would have been pretty tall. Now everybody's over six feet. There's six, one, two, three and four. They're all great athletes. So it's a different scenario. And as an instructor, you have to change according to the times. When you look at who you're dealing with, the capabilities of them, how strong are they? The club had speed so much faster. You look at what equipment has done. The ball doesn't curve as much as it used to, so they can go at it harder. So all of these things have to factor in. You look in the old days with wooden drivers and softballs, a big reverse seas that everybody got into hitting it, trying to get the ball in the air. You're looking now we want everybody on top of it to launch it high with as little spin as you can. So I think you have to evaluate everything that's going on, and you have to think outside the box. I'm a great believe it that I don't think in the box. I think outside the box, and outside the box is a wide ring. What I mean is, don't get caught up in everybody doing everything the same way, because that's a bunch of bs that doesn't work, and people that have taught that way none of those players are on the tour anymore. So think outside the box, have an open mind, and always look at what guys are doing. You may see a guy you don't like the way he swings, and all of a sudden he's a good player. Of all, Why the hell's he a good player? I mean, look at Scottish Cheffer's footwork or Bubba Watson's footwork. If that's the thing. I think that Randy Smith has done such a great job with Scottie because you've been with him forever. You don't change those things. That's what they do naturally. And so as I've taught you, and as my dad taught me, you never take away what someone does naturally. You just try and make them better. But yeah, my whole philosophy on teaching has changed maybe every ten or twelve years. I had somebody asked this question. I thought it was interesting if you could become TPI certified, meaning learn about the body swing connection, or become certified, you know, in a launch monitor, and learn everything about the launch monitor. Which one would you do and which one would you suggest people? To learn about how the body works and how that affects the golf swing, or to look at all the numbers and become proficient in everything a launch monitor can tell you. Well, first of all, a launch monitor can't hit a shot, so I don't give a damn. But the numbers are telling me on the launch monitor. That's information, But that's not the whole thing. I'd rather see. You have a great body, and you do the things in your body that allow you to do the things you want. One of them you and I've had this conversation. One of the things that I find when I was first, when I would left the tour in twenty nineteen and now, like I only go to the master's to watch a lot of these teachers. They never watched the guy swing. They never watched the ball that'd instantly go to all the numbers. Well, I would love my father to be alive today because with the launch monitors. Can you can you imagine your grandfather today with everybody looking into launch monitor and you could just here, hey, pal, let me explain something to you. That see that machine right there, never hit a shot. It's never hit one. Doesn't know how to hit one, doesn't know how to tell you how to hit one. And come Sunday on the back nine at Augusta, when that red light on that camera's burning a hole in your forehead right here, and you know it's burning that hole, you better help. You're not thinking about that damn lunch monitor. That and you gotta pay, and you gotta pay thirty grand to get one. I don't. I don't have. Actually, I teach with two of them. They're right here, my big baby blues. Those are my large monitors. UM, the sky team. UM, they're like a second family to you. I know that, even though you're not doing it as much as as you used to. I know it is something that UM. And now that you do it, you know only once a year at Augusta. But to come back and and get with all the people at Sky Sports, the golf team there, um, all the crew, Radar, Coltart nick Um. It's like a second family to you. I know, well, you know I first did it. The first thing we do was the small part of the Ryder Cup in ninety five at o'kill and I've been doing it ever since, so I mean, I know everybody there. I'm actually it's so funny when I mean over in the UK plane golf or something. I'm much more known in the UK than I am in the US. And it has not to do with the teaching and all the great players up. It's all television. It's just I'll tell you a great story last year when we went to Royal County down the first time I got to go as being a member in Northern Ireland, which is my favorite golf course in the world. Because of COVID after I became a member in nineteen I couldn't get over there. I had the best time and we flew over and my good friend stand Bucket Miller's eighty million dollars Global and it was just a phenomenal plane and we pulled we land and we put it Parkers off Nowheres and these two guys that are bringing the plane in stuff. We get this is so funny. We get off the plane and they go, ah, can we get Petway there next year? Plane said, oh, we yeah, please do next to my plane. Absolutely, we're excited that you're coming to August. I know a bunch of the guys and the fact that you know, I've pretty much told everybody that you're coming, so you're gonna be amongst friends. Everybody's going to be excited to see you. And I agree with you. I think we're gonna have a special masters and I look forward to it and Roy going for the Grand Slam, you know, Scottie Scheffler trying to repeat John Ram. I mean, I think it's a golf course. It's made for him. And then the live guys. I think it'll be fun. Look forward to seeing y'all. See you on Monday. Well, I'm looking forward to being there. And as the great referee in boxing, you did all the big fights here at Mills. Lane used to say, let's get it off. Thanks for talking to us. You gotta love you, pal. So that was a really good segment where Butch Harmon asks answers your questions and I love doing that and I love getting you know your feedback, UM, and listen, he's my dad, but he's also I mean, he's an icon and UM I just did a pot if you haven't listened, making a case for him to be in the Hall of Fame. He's been on the pod before, so if you're new and you're new listener, UM, he's been on a couple of times. He's always got good takes and UM, it's a treasure trove of information when you when you get an opportunity to talk to Butch Harmon And like I said, I'm lucky. UM I talked to him all the time. He's my dad, but um, he's just such an iconic figure in golf instruction, Um, an iconic figure in in professional golf. And anytime UM I get a chance to talk to him, I feel I'm much better for it. And that was it. Uh So two episodes this week. If you haven't listened to yesterday's go check it out. But UM, I figured pretty cool to do that around this week Special week. We're all looking forward to see um Augusta National and all its glory and I'm looking forward to it as well. So hope everybody enjoys watching if you're going have fun, and if you're watching on TV, enjoy it as well. Son of a Butch comes to you every Wednesday. We will see you next week.