Before we begin, a note that this episode does touch upon the issue of pregnancy, loss and fertility. If you or someone you know need support, we'll have a link in our show notes. Hello and welcome to Something to Talk About, the Stella Podcast. I'm Sarah Lamarquin, your host, and every week I sit down with some of the biggest names in the country because when Australias celebrities are ready to talk, they come to Something to talk about. Tanya Hennessy is the ultimate slushy. She's a radio host, comedian and producer. She's written three children's books, two nonfiction novels, created three podcasts and gone on I'm a celebrity, Get me out of here and you almost certainly have seen at least one of her viral videos on Facebook or Instagram or TikTok, depending on how old or how young you are. But five years ago, Tanya made a decision and to put fertility ahead of career. She's since been open about her and her husband Tom struggle to conceive and her ongoing experience with IVF.

Before we begin, a note that this episode does touch upon the issue of pregnancy, loss and fertility. If you or someone you know need support, we'll have a link in our show notes. Hello and welcome to Something to Talk About, the Stella Podcast. I'm Sarah Lamarquin, your host, and every week I sit down with some of the biggest names in the country because when Australias celebrities are ready to talk, they come to Something to talk about. Tanya Hennessy is the ultimate slushy. She's a radio host, comedian and producer. She's written three children's books, two nonfiction novels, created three podcasts and gone on I'm a celebrity, Get me out of here and you almost certainly have seen at least one of her viral videos on Facebook or Instagram or TikTok, depending on how old or how young you are. But five years ago, Tanya made a decision and to put fertility ahead of career. She's since been open about her and her husband Tom struggle to conceive and her ongoing experience with IVF.

I can't outwork infertility, and it's so humanizing and painful because it's something everyone seems to get so easily.

I can't outwork infertility, and it's so humanizing and painful because it's something everyone seems to get so easily.

And I'm here just like what so.

And I'm here just like what so.

There is a part of me that goes. I'm glad I shared it because you can see the exhaustion of it. You know, it's not solved, it's not its process, it's not Oh. Tanya said she had infertility struggles. Two weeks later, she's pregnant. Tanya said she had infertility problems. Five years later, she's still experiencing it.

There is a part of me that goes. I'm glad I shared it because you can see the exhaustion of it. You know, it's not solved, it's not its process, it's not Oh. Tanya said she had infertility struggles. Two weeks later, she's pregnant. Tanya said she had infertility problems. Five years later, she's still experiencing it.

On today's episode, is something to talk About, Tanya joins me to discuss the reality of being funny for a living, even when going through something very dark, and what it's like being a social media celebrity. Tanya Hennessy, Welcome to the Stellar Podcast.

On today's episode, is something to talk About, Tanya joins me to discuss the reality of being funny for a living, even when going through something very dark, and what it's like being a social media celebrity. Tanya Hennessy, Welcome to the Stellar Podcast.

Oh my god, thank you so much for having me. This is going to be so fun. You're so fun. I feel like a child in a candy store. Like.

Oh my god, thank you so much for having me. This is going to be so fun. You're so fun. I feel like a child in a candy store. Like.

I love your brain.

I love your brain.

I love the way you think, I love the way you interview. I'm kind of scared, but I'm so excited to be here.

I love the way you think, I love the way you interview. I'm kind of scared, but I'm so excited to be here.

You and I have only met in person once before today. I've got that classic parasocial relationship with you, though.

You and I have only met in person once before today. I've got that classic parasocial relationship with you, though.

Oh, I have it with you too, although you need.

Oh, I have it with you too, although you need.

To contend actually I haven't evested. Sorry, give me knowing like a stalker. But if my content was as good as yours, then I would be posting every day. But you and I met at interval at Hamilton Hamilton the Best musical Sydney last year was so good, and I remember within the end of the interval we had gone through many Disney medleys, so that I don't know, I'm not very good at small talk.

To contend actually I haven't evested. Sorry, give me knowing like a stalker. But if my content was as good as yours, then I would be posting every day. But you and I met at interval at Hamilton Hamilton the Best musical Sydney last year was so good, and I remember within the end of the interval we had gone through many Disney medleys, so that I don't know, I'm not very good at small talk.

I'm like, I've gotta go talk to Sarrila Mark, but I'm such a fan of hers, and I just wandered in and I was like, hey, do you I think? I was like, hey, I heard you like Disney same. What do you reckon about me walking down the aisle to kiss the girl because I was just.

I'm like, I've gotta go talk to Sarrila Mark, but I'm such a fan of hers, and I just wandered in and I was like, hey, do you I think? I was like, hey, I heard you like Disney same. What do you reckon about me walking down the aisle to kiss the girl because I was just.

About to get married. You like Della.

About to get married. You like Della.

It was it's like both of us can't small talk, which I think feels It.

It was it's like both of us can't small talk, which I think feels It.

Was so good, So I want to ask you a little bit about your wedding in a little bit, But I just thought on the concept of small talk friendship. You wrote a column for Body and Soul at the beginning of the year that went completely viral, so I'd love to chat to about it. Tenure. It was about the catch up and the catch up for people that missed ten years the column, but we'll put a link in the show notes. Actually was about when two friends, in particular women often sort of from late twenties onwards, are catching up. I'll actually quote you. You say, you from that era of your life, you know, the school year you in the early twenties. After that, you no longer coexist with your friends, you know, longer together watching movies in silence or hanging out at each other's houses regularly doing nothing but existing together. Those with the days, so you tend to quote catch up and you do what I would call friendship admin, which goes to the tune of how are you, how's your partner, how's work, how's that dog you own? And dispose card re late Like I say, it.

Was so good, So I want to ask you a little bit about your wedding in a little bit, But I just thought on the concept of small talk friendship. You wrote a column for Body and Soul at the beginning of the year that went completely viral, so I'd love to chat to about it. Tenure. It was about the catch up and the catch up for people that missed ten years the column, but we'll put a link in the show notes. Actually was about when two friends, in particular women often sort of from late twenties onwards, are catching up. I'll actually quote you. You say, you from that era of your life, you know, the school year you in the early twenties. After that, you no longer coexist with your friends, you know, longer together watching movies in silence or hanging out at each other's houses regularly doing nothing but existing together. Those with the days, so you tend to quote catch up and you do what I would call friendship admin, which goes to the tune of how are you, how's your partner, how's work, how's that dog you own? And dispose card re late Like I say, it.

Went ticking off things to talk about. Tell me about the reaction to that.

Went ticking off things to talk about. Tell me about the reaction to that.

And why do you think it struck such a nerve?

And why do you think it struck such a nerve?

I have no Wow, No, I do have an idea. It was like possibly one of the most relatable things because we don't talk about that kind of stuff enough.

I have no Wow, No, I do have an idea. It was like possibly one of the most relatable things because we don't talk about that kind of stuff enough.

It's sort of.

It's sort of.

Buried within the zeitgeist, but we all do it and we all know it, which is, you know, catching up, and it's all it feels almost like a chore as opposed to doing it to see your friend because you want to and you're not doing activities together, Like I went to the zoo to Taronga Zoo when I was twenty two, drunk with a friend and it was the best day of the monkeys after three wines, unbelievable. But we don't do that anymore.

Buried within the zeitgeist, but we all do it and we all know it, which is, you know, catching up, and it's all it feels almost like a chore as opposed to doing it to see your friend because you want to and you're not doing activities together, Like I went to the zoo to Taronga Zoo when I was twenty two, drunk with a friend and it was the best day of the monkeys after three wines, unbelievable. But we don't do that anymore.

We're like time.

We're like time.

Poor and stressed and exhausted, and it's becomes so like, oh, I've got to see that person in this trap becomes you know, admin instead of real lived and shared experiences. And I think people were just like, oh my god, like this is what I'm experiencing. And I think I really like to write in that place that's sort of almost uncomfortable to admit, but it opens up a big conversation about, you know, that change. And I've seen so many people doing tiktoks, going I'm dating my friends, I'm going to pottery with them, I'm making experiences with them and memories with them, instead of ticking the boxes of just having coffee. Sometimes, honestly, do you ever feel like that? Sometimes I have coffee with someone just to be like, Okay, I've done that. I don't have to say them for three months, and that's not friendship.

Poor and stressed and exhausted, and it's becomes so like, oh, I've got to see that person in this trap becomes you know, admin instead of real lived and shared experiences. And I think people were just like, oh my god, like this is what I'm experiencing. And I think I really like to write in that place that's sort of almost uncomfortable to admit, but it opens up a big conversation about, you know, that change. And I've seen so many people doing tiktoks, going I'm dating my friends, I'm going to pottery with them, I'm making experiences with them and memories with them, instead of ticking the boxes of just having coffee. Sometimes, honestly, do you ever feel like that? Sometimes I have coffee with someone just to be like, Okay, I've done that. I don't have to say them for three months, and that's not friendship.

That's right, And in fact, it also reminded me when I first read the column about some of the great videos that you have done online on social is where two people are catching up. You call it that chaotic friend and it's just that thing where, well, I won't do a version of it in front of you because mine will completely pale in comparison, but in a nutshell, it's basically that person going, oh my god, I'm sorry, I'm so late, by the way, that's me. It's obviously a comic call extreme version. But that was almost a little bit of a pre cursor to the catch up column.

That's right, And in fact, it also reminded me when I first read the column about some of the great videos that you have done online on social is where two people are catching up. You call it that chaotic friend and it's just that thing where, well, I won't do a version of it in front of you because mine will completely pale in comparison, but in a nutshell, it's basically that person going, oh my god, I'm sorry, I'm so late, by the way, that's me. It's obviously a comic call extreme version. But that was almost a little bit of a pre cursor to the catch up column.

Absolutely, and I think that's like such an interesting space to sit in the social media realm, where you kind of you know, you're mirroring and commenting. But I think a lot of people don't think social media creators think like that. I think, you know, I've been doing social media now. This is my tenth year full time, which is crazy. I started in twenty fifteen and I still remember my life changing so radically and it's never ever been the same since. Like I have a very like b before viral after viral Tannia, like there's such different people and everything changed for me, like the way social media has radicalized my life. Oh lah, it's wild. I'd love to ask about that. Actually, So first of all, let's start with the label.

Absolutely, and I think that's like such an interesting space to sit in the social media realm, where you kind of you know, you're mirroring and commenting. But I think a lot of people don't think social media creators think like that. I think, you know, I've been doing social media now. This is my tenth year full time, which is crazy. I started in twenty fifteen and I still remember my life changing so radically and it's never ever been the same since. Like I have a very like b before viral after viral Tannia, like there's such different people and everything changed for me, like the way social media has radicalized my life. Oh lah, it's wild. I'd love to ask about that. Actually, So first of all, let's start with the label.

So when you were last Instella in twenty eighteen, I was reading it yesterday and we described you as quote, radio host, comedian and YouTube sensation Tanya Hennessy, And I want did how you think that we should describe you in twenty twenty five, because you're on the cover of Stella today, how will we describe you hot as I've never looked better, nose without saying plot as, I'm really humble.

So when you were last Instella in twenty eighteen, I was reading it yesterday and we described you as quote, radio host, comedian and YouTube sensation Tanya Hennessy, And I want did how you think that we should describe you in twenty twenty five, because you're on the cover of Stella today, how will we describe you hot as I've never looked better, nose without saying plot as, I'm really humble.

Okay, look, I'll be honest. That cover is unbelievable, and I'm obsessed with myself.

Okay, look, I'll be honest. That cover is unbelievable, and I'm obsessed with myself.

But I don't know.

But I don't know.

I think I'm such a slashy and people have a real problem with it, you know. I go, Yeah, I work in comedy, I write, I write columns, but I do you know, I'm an author, I do radio show and yeah, I make social media content. I would I'm a creator, like a social media creator, but I also write television. I'm writing I've written two pilots and I'm writing a film at the moment, a children's film, which is can I tell you so freakin' hard? And it's all in silence. You know, no one can see all the TV pilots that you're right in episodic television. I'm doing writers rooms and it's all you know, it's in silence until it gets up, and that's a very long process. So I guess, yeah, I'm just a slashy it. I think in this world people hate it. People hate that I can do multiple things.

I think I'm such a slashy and people have a real problem with it, you know. I go, Yeah, I work in comedy, I write, I write columns, but I do you know, I'm an author, I do radio show and yeah, I make social media content. I would I'm a creator, like a social media creator, but I also write television. I'm writing I've written two pilots and I'm writing a film at the moment, a children's film, which is can I tell you so freakin' hard? And it's all in silence. You know, no one can see all the TV pilots that you're right in episodic television. I'm doing writers rooms and it's all you know, it's in silence until it gets up, and that's a very long process. So I guess, yeah, I'm just a slashy it. I think in this world people hate it. People hate that I can do multiple things.

There is still a little bit of resistance. I mean, when you talk about that ten years and that moment that divide in the line between going viral that first time, the culture has changed a lot. And why I wanted to ask about the labelers. I think a lot of us now do say content creator, and in a very broad way. I mean, I have described myself as a content creator, and I'm sure as somebody that's worked in mainstream media as I have for twenty five years, there would be a lot of my peers that would think my god like content creator. Ultimately, I'm a journalist, but as the medium, I would say, in some ways has leveled out. It's storytelling, and the label influencer even in the recent federal election campaign that is still getting bandied around in the same way that we would use mummy blogger as a really unnecessary, derogatory, highly gendered word. Influence has obviously been through a lot of that. And look, I understand because obviously there are people that are doing very specific campaign content. Agree that's very esthetic and that's all it is. And I understand why the word influencer might apply to that, But it is such a ridiculous, demeaning, dismissive label she use for people that are publishing all forms of storytelling. And to your point about the catch up column actually igniting important social discussions.

There is still a little bit of resistance. I mean, when you talk about that ten years and that moment that divide in the line between going viral that first time, the culture has changed a lot. And why I wanted to ask about the labelers. I think a lot of us now do say content creator, and in a very broad way. I mean, I have described myself as a content creator, and I'm sure as somebody that's worked in mainstream media as I have for twenty five years, there would be a lot of my peers that would think my god like content creator. Ultimately, I'm a journalist, but as the medium, I would say, in some ways has leveled out. It's storytelling, and the label influencer even in the recent federal election campaign that is still getting bandied around in the same way that we would use mummy blogger as a really unnecessary, derogatory, highly gendered word. Influence has obviously been through a lot of that. And look, I understand because obviously there are people that are doing very specific campaign content. Agree that's very esthetic and that's all it is. And I understand why the word influencer might apply to that, But it is such a ridiculous, demeaning, dismissive label she use for people that are publishing all forms of storytelling. And to your point about the catch up column actually igniting important social discussions.

Yeah, I do think it's sort of like they all feed into each other. So as much as I'm a slashy, it's like, okay, but the comedy I write comedy columns, I write column with comedy, social I write comedy television, I wrote comedy. You know, so they're all sort of, you know, within each other. But the word influencer, I used to write it out of all my contracts because I was like, because what it really means is to influence sales. If the word was to influence joy, influence I don't know positivity influence positive change. I'd be like great, but it's to influence sales and be aligned as a commodity. For me, didn't feel comfortable and it still doesn't feel comfortable. So that is why I don't like the word influencer for me. Some people do identify with it, I don't.

Yeah, I do think it's sort of like they all feed into each other. So as much as I'm a slashy, it's like, okay, but the comedy I write comedy columns, I write column with comedy, social I write comedy television, I wrote comedy. You know, so they're all sort of, you know, within each other. But the word influencer, I used to write it out of all my contracts because I was like, because what it really means is to influence sales. If the word was to influence joy, influence I don't know positivity influence positive change. I'd be like great, but it's to influence sales and be aligned as a commodity. For me, didn't feel comfortable and it still doesn't feel comfortable. So that is why I don't like the word influencer for me. Some people do identify with it, I don't.

I hate it, actually, no, I absolutely I think that's a really perfect way of describing it, and it's not said with any judgment, as was me when I was talking about I think I can see how the label evolved for that commercialization, but I think to apply it broadly across the whole platform and the medium is also just very exclusionary in that we're all missing out. You know, I am at the biggest light art in the world, as already touched upon Instagram, still very slow to even posting on it. I don't even have a TikTok account. I mean, this is where I am, but it is really snobby about it, you know. My own sort of just overwhelm and just slowness to adapt is very different, I think to being sneering or dismissive about the really original content and important conversations that are happening in.

I hate it, actually, no, I absolutely I think that's a really perfect way of describing it, and it's not said with any judgment, as was me when I was talking about I think I can see how the label evolved for that commercialization, but I think to apply it broadly across the whole platform and the medium is also just very exclusionary in that we're all missing out. You know, I am at the biggest light art in the world, as already touched upon Instagram, still very slow to even posting on it. I don't even have a TikTok account. I mean, this is where I am, but it is really snobby about it, you know. My own sort of just overwhelm and just slowness to adapt is very different, I think to being sneering or dismissive about the really original content and important conversations that are happening in.

That medium, of course, and the way you can, you know, you find. For me, I find content and what people are talking about, you know, zeitgeist, things on the TikTok on the Internet. I go, Okay, this is what people are thinking, this is what people are feeling.

That medium, of course, and the way you can, you know, you find. For me, I find content and what people are talking about, you know, zeitgeist, things on the TikTok on the Internet. I go, Okay, this is what people are thinking, this is what people are feeling.

That's a trend at the moment.

That's a trend at the moment.

You know, it's about women in their thirties and what being in the in your thirties looks likes, and it's like, what are we trying to say?

You know, it's about women in their thirties and what being in the in your thirties looks likes, and it's like, what are we trying to say?

What's the discussion?

What's the discussion?

And I sort of got dive deeper into it, and that's where I can find topics to write about, which I can therefore create social media content about. So I don't know, I kind of like to work smarter, not harder, so I use the same content across multiple forms. Yes, it's transcendent, and I think if you're not working like that, you should be one hundred percent annoyingly And it is exhausting, especially like you know, I'm thirty nine, so like I'm an elder millennial and I've been through every iteration of social And I used to work in radio, which people forget. I did twelve years of commercial radio and I only started making social because I was bored and didn't want to go to the gym in the afternoon. I'm very committed to not exercising. But I used to be on radio before it was filmed, and I used to roll in three am Nobra and now I'm going to have a face of linkup on and try and sometimes it's it's a bit exhausting, especially when you're used to the old school radio, which is just voice, because that's how it's meant to be listened completely.

And I sort of got dive deeper into it, and that's where I can find topics to write about, which I can therefore create social media content about. So I don't know, I kind of like to work smarter, not harder, so I use the same content across multiple forms. Yes, it's transcendent, and I think if you're not working like that, you should be one hundred percent annoyingly And it is exhausting, especially like you know, I'm thirty nine, so like I'm an elder millennial and I've been through every iteration of social And I used to work in radio, which people forget. I did twelve years of commercial radio and I only started making social because I was bored and didn't want to go to the gym in the afternoon. I'm very committed to not exercising. But I used to be on radio before it was filmed, and I used to roll in three am Nobra and now I'm going to have a face of linkup on and try and sometimes it's it's a bit exhausting, especially when you're used to the old school radio, which is just voice, because that's how it's meant to be listened completely.

I really would love to ask you about how that, if it all, has affected your approach to work, and do you think that you ever sound different or that what you're talking about has changed because of the fact that there is that multi media distribution and there is that visual component.

I really would love to ask you about how that, if it all, has affected your approach to work, and do you think that you ever sound different or that what you're talking about has changed because of the fact that there is that multi media distribution and there is that visual component.

Like a little bit for sure, But I have this really core value that is just inherently within being. I'm really grateful for it. It's like this little kid inside bee or I'm speaking to or for a little kid. It's a little girl who wants me to show up and speak in my real voice, to not always wear makeup, to not always have perfect hair. And I feel like I have to show up on social in all different types of ways. Sometimes in high GLAMs sometimes you know, no pants, no bra, because I don't want anyone to not see me as first of all, holistic, well rounded as a human being. But also like I don't want little girls to go, oh, she's not talking authentically, or she's not she's always looks this way. So I don't know. I feel like I show up for a little kid, a little girl who wants to see a real, working, successful woman who is multi dimensional and sometimes a little bit broken, but sometimes really polished. And you can be everything. So I do look like sloppy sometimes and I look really polished other times. And I'm really happy with showing the gamut.

Like a little bit for sure, But I have this really core value that is just inherently within being. I'm really grateful for it. It's like this little kid inside bee or I'm speaking to or for a little kid. It's a little girl who wants me to show up and speak in my real voice, to not always wear makeup, to not always have perfect hair. And I feel like I have to show up on social in all different types of ways. Sometimes in high GLAMs sometimes you know, no pants, no bra, because I don't want anyone to not see me as first of all, holistic, well rounded as a human being. But also like I don't want little girls to go, oh, she's not talking authentically, or she's not she's always looks this way. So I don't know. I feel like I show up for a little kid, a little girl who wants to see a real, working, successful woman who is multi dimensional and sometimes a little bit broken, but sometimes really polished. And you can be everything. So I do look like sloppy sometimes and I look really polished other times. And I'm really happy with showing the gamut.

I think the complexity and the nuance of that is so important. And again, talking about progress in media as part of the evolution is something that I definitely know. I definitely did not have that growing up. I'm older than you, and I imagine for you definitely didn't see that growing up. What you're then offering to those young girls that are looking for that. But let me ask you about the pressure, because as you're talking, I think that's also a lot of pressure to put on yourself and a lot of expectation. And look, this is obviously not breaking news. Ge woman working in high profile role in media dealing with pressure, I would have thought the first time, I'll tell you.

I think the complexity and the nuance of that is so important. And again, talking about progress in media as part of the evolution is something that I definitely know. I definitely did not have that growing up. I'm older than you, and I imagine for you definitely didn't see that growing up. What you're then offering to those young girls that are looking for that. But let me ask you about the pressure, because as you're talking, I think that's also a lot of pressure to put on yourself and a lot of expectation. And look, this is obviously not breaking news. Ge woman working in high profile role in media dealing with pressure, I would have thought the first time, I'll tell you.

That when you work in comedy, people kind of don't care as much, Like it's just a fact. I was talking to Felicity Water.

That when you work in comedy, people kind of don't care as much, Like it's just a fact. I was talking to Felicity Water.

This is the other thing. We kind of get away with everything. It's really wild.

This is the other thing. We kind of get away with everything. It's really wild.

Like once I was at the Lotus and it was like I was getting ready and I was like topless, genuinely topless out the front on the balcony, just seeing if someone would take a photo.

Like once I was at the Lotus and it was like I was getting ready and I was like topless, genuinely topless out the front on the balcony, just seeing if someone would take a photo.

But no one cares.

But no one cares.

Like it's because you know, you know that like comedians, it's sort of sit the funny space where you can kind of take the piece. No one takes us too seriously, but no one also cares. You know, if I was having a relationship with a rat over and be like fair, you know what I mean, it's like, oh, I'm in a relationship with a bridge, no one would mind because kind of comedians can get away with a little bit more. But yeah, I do feel like I feel pressure when I'm at events to look a certain way, obviously because that's the status quo. But I find red carpets so hard, especially when you're known for your voice, you know, and then you can't speak, so it's all aesthetic. And that's when I get a bit uncomfortable because I'm like, oh, I want to like be creative or show you that I'm more than my body and I'm more than this dress.

Like it's because you know, you know that like comedians, it's sort of sit the funny space where you can kind of take the piece. No one takes us too seriously, but no one also cares. You know, if I was having a relationship with a rat over and be like fair, you know what I mean, it's like, oh, I'm in a relationship with a bridge, no one would mind because kind of comedians can get away with a little bit more. But yeah, I do feel like I feel pressure when I'm at events to look a certain way, obviously because that's the status quo. But I find red carpets so hard, especially when you're known for your voice, you know, and then you can't speak, so it's all aesthetic. And that's when I get a bit uncomfortable because I'm like, oh, I want to like be creative or show you that I'm more than my body and I'm more than this dress.

And you know, yeah, I've really just because there's something very retro about the Red carpets in it when we think about things that have changed and have adapted, and the nature of often the ceremony that you're going into has changed. I mean, it wasn't that long ago that the Oscars in Australia were not bemed live. If you wanted to watch, you just that, just avoid any coverage and go home. I mean, imagine that happening now everyone knows within a second, I'm like, God, Moore didn't win and what did she wear? It completely, but that part of it, going in that red carpet me is an absolute horror show. And I think, whoever you are, I mean, I know people like Nicole Kidman have talked about how intimidating they find it, and some people almost feel that how could that be, that that's being disingenuous and they're really not. I'm not saying some people don't love it. Yeah, some people live the pressure of it, that's about it.

And you know, yeah, I've really just because there's something very retro about the Red carpets in it when we think about things that have changed and have adapted, and the nature of often the ceremony that you're going into has changed. I mean, it wasn't that long ago that the Oscars in Australia were not bemed live. If you wanted to watch, you just that, just avoid any coverage and go home. I mean, imagine that happening now everyone knows within a second, I'm like, God, Moore didn't win and what did she wear? It completely, but that part of it, going in that red carpet me is an absolute horror show. And I think, whoever you are, I mean, I know people like Nicole Kidman have talked about how intimidating they find it, and some people almost feel that how could that be, that that's being disingenuous and they're really not. I'm not saying some people don't love it. Yeah, some people live the pressure of it, that's about it.

And now, like you know, on social it's like I've got to get social content in this dress, or I've got to you know, I've got to get all the angles of this dress. And I've I paid for my face and my hair, so I've got to get all this shot. And then it becomes like all about your esthetic as opposed to what you're there for.

And now, like you know, on social it's like I've got to get social content in this dress, or I've got to you know, I've got to get all the angles of this dress. And I've I paid for my face and my hair, so I've got to get all this shot. And then it becomes like all about your esthetic as opposed to what you're there for.

You know.

You know.

I find that sometimes a little bit difficult on the mind, Like I'm a bit.

I find that sometimes a little bit difficult on the mind, Like I'm a bit.

Like I feel.

Like I feel.

Uncomfortable, yeah in that space, but I will get more and more used to it. But like I'm thirty nine, it's still not used to it. So maybe I just this is just who I am, and I got to lean in to that.

Uncomfortable, yeah in that space, but I will get more and more used to it. But like I'm thirty nine, it's still not used to it. So maybe I just this is just who I am, and I got to lean in to that.

Let me ask you a little bit about fame recognition in this era of the splintered algorithm. I feel it's such.

Let me ask you a little bit about fame recognition in this era of the splintered algorithm. I feel it's such.

An interesting one because you go, Okay, well, because I've done commercial gigs, so I think I sit in a weird space and I know that I'm kind of lucky that I am able to do both traditional and social media. I'm probably one of about five in the country that does both and is recognized for both and is kind of okay. You know, some people aren't allowed to do both.

An interesting one because you go, Okay, well, because I've done commercial gigs, so I think I sit in a weird space and I know that I'm kind of lucky that I am able to do both traditional and social media. I'm probably one of about five in the country that does both and is recognized for both and is kind of okay. You know, some people aren't allowed to do both.

You know, it's really weird.

You know, it's really weird.

Whereas in the States, the social media content creators are making HBO shows, you know, they're big recording artists. Like, it's so weird how we sort of in Australia don't have that sort of I don't know, like you know Dylan mulvaany you know, she is doing red Carpets and podcasts and is across She's on the Drew Barrymore Show. But here where like we'd be like, oh no, you just get to do social So it's hard. It's hard to bridge. So I kind of feel like I am lucky that I do bridge both, but I feel like a fraud in both scenarios. So if I'm doing TV, I feel like the social media girl, but I do social media, I feel like the commercial radio TV girl.

Whereas in the States, the social media content creators are making HBO shows, you know, they're big recording artists. Like, it's so weird how we sort of in Australia don't have that sort of I don't know, like you know Dylan mulvaany you know, she is doing red Carpets and podcasts and is across She's on the Drew Barrymore Show. But here where like we'd be like, oh no, you just get to do social So it's hard. It's hard to bridge. So I kind of feel like I am lucky that I do bridge both, but I feel like a fraud in both scenarios. So if I'm doing TV, I feel like the social media girl, but I do social media, I feel like the commercial radio TV girl.

So it's really weird, and I never know which place I see it. I always feel a little bit.

So it's really weird, and I never know which place I see it. I always feel a little bit.

Really I'm not neither, But I also know like I'm kind of fierce because no one can do what I can do, And I guess that's why, which very Fortunately, I don't feel a lot of professional jealousy because I'm like, there's kind of no one who does what I do.

Really I'm not neither, But I also know like I'm kind of fierce because no one can do what I can do, And I guess that's why, which very Fortunately, I don't feel a lot of professional jealousy because I'm like, there's kind of no one who does what I do.

Yeah, I'm hard in there, one of one, and that's cool.

Yeah, I'm hard in there, one of one, and that's cool.

It's taken me a really long time, like thirty nine years to admit that, but yeah, I do. You know, when I'm around stand ups, I feel like a social media girl. When I'm around social media girl, I feel like a stand up. So it's really interesting. I totally get that. And I'm really trying to get on Dancing with the Stars, but they won't let me on.

It's taken me a really long time, like thirty nine years to admit that, but yeah, I do. You know, when I'm around stand ups, I feel like a social media girl. When I'm around social media girl, I feel like a stand up. So it's really interesting. I totally get that. And I'm really trying to get on Dancing with the Stars, but they won't let me on.

Howf we just being like flat out on us.

Howf we just being like flat out on us.

Because I think the audience that are watching it are not social enough. Does it like they're probably not quite on social So I don't know if I'm ever going to get on that show, and so help me, God, I will because I'm very determined and I want to wear a leotard and rhinestoned pants, you know what I mean. That feels like my destinies by what would this song be that you would? Oh, I want to do Gloria Estefan God MacHack your buddy baby? Do that?

Because I think the audience that are watching it are not social enough. Does it like they're probably not quite on social So I don't know if I'm ever going to get on that show, and so help me, God, I will because I'm very determined and I want to wear a leotard and rhinestoned pants, you know what I mean. That feels like my destinies by what would this song be that you would? Oh, I want to do Gloria Estefan God MacHack your buddy baby? Do that?

Don't good? No, you can suit?

Don't good? No, you can suit?

You know what I mean?

You know what I mean?

Gas that's that's yeah.

Gas that's that's yeah.

I could be flexible, yeah enough to do it. I feel like I could body roll very intensely. I feel like I'm really willing to move my hips in a sexual way, but not too sexual for PG sort of Channel seven time slots.

I could be flexible, yeah enough to do it. I feel like I could body roll very intensely. I feel like I'm really willing to move my hips in a sexual way, but not too sexual for PG sort of Channel seven time slots.

Okay, well, this is the official audition for Dancing with the Stars. Iad season, so we will make sure that this gets to the powers that be a Channel seven and you know again, thing I do honestly think we know people have gotten roles after be on the cover of Stella and up next, Tanua fires up about people commenting on her weight. Really, two things that I think are conversations that are difficult to have sometimes with sensitivity and nuance that they deserve in the media or in a public forum in twenty twenty five ten and those are fertility and weight. Yes, and I would love to talk to you about both of those. You've been very transparent and generous with your story about fertility, But before I really did want to acknowledge that I think the only way it's appropriate to have these conversations is with the absolute permission and consent of the person that is being asked these questions. So because it's easy to go. Let's just go on and break a couple of tabooths. Damn easy for me to say it. I'm the one asking the questions. It's your story. But to start with the fertility aspect, because like I said, you have been really honest and candid and generous with your story about it, and you have been undergoing IVF. I understand possibly going to your seventh round, your five VF at the moment. Can I ask you about It's not easy to talk about these things. I imagine why you made that decision, and what has the response been from the people, And I imagine a lot of them being women who have felt seen and less alone with your story.

Okay, well, this is the official audition for Dancing with the Stars. Iad season, so we will make sure that this gets to the powers that be a Channel seven and you know again, thing I do honestly think we know people have gotten roles after be on the cover of Stella and up next, Tanua fires up about people commenting on her weight. Really, two things that I think are conversations that are difficult to have sometimes with sensitivity and nuance that they deserve in the media or in a public forum in twenty twenty five ten and those are fertility and weight. Yes, and I would love to talk to you about both of those. You've been very transparent and generous with your story about fertility, But before I really did want to acknowledge that I think the only way it's appropriate to have these conversations is with the absolute permission and consent of the person that is being asked these questions. So because it's easy to go. Let's just go on and break a couple of tabooths. Damn easy for me to say it. I'm the one asking the questions. It's your story. But to start with the fertility aspect, because like I said, you have been really honest and candid and generous with your story about it, and you have been undergoing IVF. I understand possibly going to your seventh round, your five VF at the moment. Can I ask you about It's not easy to talk about these things. I imagine why you made that decision, and what has the response been from the people, And I imagine a lot of them being women who have felt seen and less alone with your story.

Oh man, you know, so I spoke about it because I was so feral on hormones and I thought, truly, truly thought that the first two rounds like it would just work. So I was like, oh, so I'll talk about this and then I'll just be pregnant, and then I'll just have a kid, and then that'll be the end.

Oh man, you know, so I spoke about it because I was so feral on hormones and I thought, truly, truly thought that the first two rounds like it would just work. So I was like, oh, so I'll talk about this and then I'll just be pregnant, and then I'll just have a kid, and then that'll be the end.

Of the story.

Of the story.

But the story is more of a chapter book than a picture book. So it's been a long, drawn out, exhausting, mentally draining process that it kind of robbed me. I feel like a lot of my personality, Like I miss my old self, Like I miss my old really just dirty, downright funny self. And now I'm sad and complex. But like you know, it takes. It takes a lot of joy because it's exhausting and it's getting blood tests almost every single day and changing so much of your food and like I've got to keep warm and I've got to have hot drinks and I can't have coffee, and I, you know, used to be addicted to Red Bull sugar free and now I have to eat all these freaking fiber foods and high protein and da da da, And it's fine, but it doesn't work. And it's fine, but it doesn't work. It's fine, but it's not fucking working. So like as somebody who is just so attuned to working hard and getting what they want, it's really hard too. I can't outwork infertility and it's so humanizing and painful because it's something everyone seems to get so easily, and I'm here just like what, So there is a part of me that goes. I'm glad I shared it because you can see the exhaustion of it. You know, it's not solved. It's not its process, it's not Oh. Tanya said she had infertility struggles. Two weeks later, she's pregnant. Danias said she had infertility problems. Five years later, she's still experiencing it.

But the story is more of a chapter book than a picture book. So it's been a long, drawn out, exhausting, mentally draining process that it kind of robbed me. I feel like a lot of my personality, Like I miss my old self, Like I miss my old really just dirty, downright funny self. And now I'm sad and complex. But like you know, it takes. It takes a lot of joy because it's exhausting and it's getting blood tests almost every single day and changing so much of your food and like I've got to keep warm and I've got to have hot drinks and I can't have coffee, and I, you know, used to be addicted to Red Bull sugar free and now I have to eat all these freaking fiber foods and high protein and da da da, And it's fine, but it doesn't work. And it's fine, but it doesn't work. It's fine, but it's not fucking working. So like as somebody who is just so attuned to working hard and getting what they want, it's really hard too. I can't outwork infertility and it's so humanizing and painful because it's something everyone seems to get so easily, and I'm here just like what, So there is a part of me that goes. I'm glad I shared it because you can see the exhaustion of it. You know, it's not solved. It's not its process, it's not Oh. Tanya said she had infertility struggles. Two weeks later, she's pregnant. Danias said she had infertility problems. Five years later, she's still experiencing it.

So I guess like.

So I guess like.

That is important to see that. So working is really hard, Like, you know, I've been on shoots miscarrie, have been on shoots bleeding, have been on shoots crying because the hormones just take over and people ask you questions and you're like, ah, but yeah, it's been it's been like.

That is important to see that. So working is really hard, Like, you know, I've been on shoots miscarrie, have been on shoots bleeding, have been on shoots crying because the hormones just take over and people ask you questions and you're like, ah, but yeah, it's been it's been like.

The worst thing.

The worst thing.

I had so many surgeries, you know, and I've had two endo surgeries that have just been so hard, and yeah, just don't get anywhere, and it's expensive and I'm literally only able to do seven rounds because i have to do sponsored content, Like do you know what I mean? Like it's privilege. Not everyone has this privilege to be able to afford. And I don't know where to draw the line to stop. I don't know when to stop because it's.

I had so many surgeries, you know, and I've had two endo surgeries that have just been so hard, and yeah, just don't get anywhere, and it's expensive and I'm literally only able to do seven rounds because i have to do sponsored content, Like do you know what I mean? Like it's privilege. Not everyone has this privilege to be able to afford. And I don't know where to draw the line to stop. I don't know when to stop because it's.

I don't know when.

I don't know when.

I don't know when because in the dark soul of the night, when you buy yourself, I'm like, oh, I want to do is see my baby, and like if I draw the line, I'll never see them and other people get to like be grandparents, and I would I'll go through a grief again, Like well I always live with a grief. Yeah, I feel really helpless sitting here opposite you, and I don't want to create work for you. You about telling me what to say because you're navigating questions.

I don't know when because in the dark soul of the night, when you buy yourself, I'm like, oh, I want to do is see my baby, and like if I draw the line, I'll never see them and other people get to like be grandparents, and I would I'll go through a grief again, Like well I always live with a grief. Yeah, I feel really helpless sitting here opposite you, and I don't want to create work for you. You about telling me what to say because you're navigating questions.

Sorry about that, by the way, Like I'm just I'm really sorry that you're dealing with this really difficult, heartbreaking situation. And I'm really my heart breaks for you because all of those questions.

Sorry about that, by the way, Like I'm just I'm really sorry that you're dealing with this really difficult, heartbreaking situation. And I'm really my heart breaks for you because all of those questions.

So so intense. They're not like what'll I have for dinner? That's it's when my family has like just you know, my brother and sister have kids now, and it's like they're going to go hang out and do their own family things, and what will I do?

So so intense. They're not like what'll I have for dinner? That's it's when my family has like just you know, my brother and sister have kids now, and it's like they're going to go hang out and do their own family things, and what will I do?

You know what I mean?

You know what I mean?

Like it just like they're really very existential questions that have really have been on my head for a really long time. And then to try and be funny on top of it. It's fucking hard, but like that's how I cope as well. So it's a bit of a duality. But I love that you are like asking about how you talk about it because it's really hard, and I actually think that people are really seeing, like I'm seeing a difference even the way I speak about it, and I, you know, like my sister in laws, the way they are learning about it is so interesting and I can see the change and the way they speak and the way they ask questions is amazing.

Like it just like they're really very existential questions that have really have been on my head for a really long time. And then to try and be funny on top of it. It's fucking hard, but like that's how I cope as well. So it's a bit of a duality. But I love that you are like asking about how you talk about it because it's really hard, and I actually think that people are really seeing, like I'm seeing a difference even the way I speak about it, and I, you know, like my sister in laws, the way they are learning about it is so interesting and I can see the change and the way they speak and the way they ask questions is amazing.

Because I think a lot of people would feel similarly to me, that we don't want to create emotional labor for you that you then have to say, well that I would suggest that you say this, But it does seem like a good opportunity for anyone listening that thinks shit like I've heard this, or someone in their life they're realizing as they're listening to you, Tenny, that that person that they know is in the middle of their own fertility story whatever it is. They thought shit. They've never said it, but maybe they feel exactly to how tenure does. And what what do I say? What are them not trying to make you the spokesperson? You can't be Everyone's different, yes for you.

Because I think a lot of people would feel similarly to me, that we don't want to create emotional labor for you that you then have to say, well that I would suggest that you say this, But it does seem like a good opportunity for anyone listening that thinks shit like I've heard this, or someone in their life they're realizing as they're listening to you, Tenny, that that person that they know is in the middle of their own fertility story whatever it is. They thought shit. They've never said it, but maybe they feel exactly to how tenure does. And what what do I say? What are them not trying to make you the spokesperson? You can't be Everyone's different, yes for you.

Because I think what I accept is so different. I'm yes, not as sensitive maybe as some people. Yeah, No, I also make ridiculous jokes at times, not right now, but sometimes I make jokes about infertility. But I think like a great place to start is is yeah, like listening is like the best thing. But also if you've got someone who's going through it, just don't expect them to come to heaps of events and don't take it personal. And I think the way that you communicate that is, Hey, I know that you're going through a lot right now, we are having a baby shower. You are so welcome to come, but of course totally get if you don't want to come, but we love you all the same. We love you, you know, just so you still want to be invited, I think. And if you're pregnant, I think a really great way to do it is a text before you announce it. If you're pregnant, you've got a friend who's really really struggling, and I've been through this so many times and it's really fucking hard. A text is great. A FaceTime is really hard. Don't do a FaceTime. You get upset, and then you're upset for being upset because you've upset someone.

Because I think what I accept is so different. I'm yes, not as sensitive maybe as some people. Yeah, No, I also make ridiculous jokes at times, not right now, but sometimes I make jokes about infertility. But I think like a great place to start is is yeah, like listening is like the best thing. But also if you've got someone who's going through it, just don't expect them to come to heaps of events and don't take it personal. And I think the way that you communicate that is, Hey, I know that you're going through a lot right now, we are having a baby shower. You are so welcome to come, but of course totally get if you don't want to come, but we love you all the same. We love you, you know, just so you still want to be invited, I think. And if you're pregnant, I think a really great way to do it is a text before you announce it. If you're pregnant, you've got a friend who's really really struggling, and I've been through this so many times and it's really fucking hard. A text is great. A FaceTime is really hard. Don't do a FaceTime. You get upset, and then you're upset for being upset because you've upset someone.

Else does that.

Else does that.

A text is great, Hey, just letting you know we are pregnant. I'll let you process this so much. Love always there for you, always here for you, and you know, if someone's going through the depths of it, a little gift is great, but not around fertility. So like a candle is great, and you don't even have to say anything. Thinking of you is great. I love that it's very lonely, Sarah like, it's really lonely like and it's invisible, and so you just feel like and everyone kind of knows what it's like to be a mother, but no one really knows what it's like to have infertility struggles unless you've been there. And it's wild to pay money and endure so much stuff for a maybe because normally, when you go to the hospital you've got a broken leg, you walk out of your legs fixed, Whereas you walk into a fertility clinic with a question mark, you walk out with the question mark, and you don't know when it's going to turn into a tick, if it will ever turn into a.

A text is great, Hey, just letting you know we are pregnant. I'll let you process this so much. Love always there for you, always here for you, and you know, if someone's going through the depths of it, a little gift is great, but not around fertility. So like a candle is great, and you don't even have to say anything. Thinking of you is great. I love that it's very lonely, Sarah like, it's really lonely like and it's invisible, and so you just feel like and everyone kind of knows what it's like to be a mother, but no one really knows what it's like to have infertility struggles unless you've been there. And it's wild to pay money and endure so much stuff for a maybe because normally, when you go to the hospital you've got a broken leg, you walk out of your legs fixed, Whereas you walk into a fertility clinic with a question mark, you walk out with the question mark, and you don't know when it's going to turn into a tick, if it will ever turn into a.

Tick, because sitting here talking to you and listening to you, it feels like there's just a huge question mark that has almost formed tear in the space between us because all of those questions from the big existential questions to the immediate ones. There are no answers years to happen, and the answers could be anything. They could obviously go one way or the other. And you don't know. Sitting in that ambiguities, I can't just and.

Tick, because sitting here talking to you and listening to you, it feels like there's just a huge question mark that has almost formed tear in the space between us because all of those questions from the big existential questions to the immediate ones. There are no answers years to happen, and the answers could be anything. They could obviously go one way or the other. And you don't know. Sitting in that ambiguities, I can't just and.

I want to know it because, like you know, I wanted to go to LA, I wanted to go act, and I had a manager and I decided to put fertility first. And then the other thing is it's like I put my fertility over my career, and what if it doesn't work, so I'm going to lose both.

I want to know it because, like you know, I wanted to go to LA, I wanted to go act, and I had a manager and I decided to put fertility first. And then the other thing is it's like I put my fertility over my career, and what if it doesn't work, so I'm going to lose both.

You know, Like, can I ask you a little bit about your husband? Tom? You got married last years. I've talked about a few times. I'm obviously not going to ask you to speak for him, but I'll speak as him. Hellu yang sir, please do that. How How has that experience been for the two of you? You are obviously newly married, It's such an amazing time in your lives. You've got so much ahead of you individually and together as a couple, and then obviously navigating this who all bullshit together?

You know, Like, can I ask you a little bit about your husband? Tom? You got married last years. I've talked about a few times. I'm obviously not going to ask you to speak for him, but I'll speak as him. Hellu yang sir, please do that. How How has that experience been for the two of you? You are obviously newly married, It's such an amazing time in your lives. You've got so much ahead of you individually and together as a couple, and then obviously navigating this who all bullshit together?

The question mark, Yeah, he's he's seven years younger than me, which is kind of crazy because sometimes I'll be like, oh, you did you you know hear that song all Saints, you know nerv and He's like, who's all Saints?

The question mark, Yeah, he's he's seven years younger than me, which is kind of crazy because sometimes I'll be like, oh, you did you you know hear that song all Saints, you know nerv and He's like, who's all Saints?

Ah?

Ah?

Cool? And I'll be like, oh did you ever Tazo's at school and.

Cool? And I'll be like, oh did you ever Tazo's at school and.

He's like what are they?

He's like what are they?

And I'm like like, that's when I really feel the seven years. Also, when I was in Uni, he was in year five.

And I'm like like, that's when I really feel the seven years. Also, when I was in Uni, he was in year five.

Mm. Wow, that's wild.

Mm. Wow, that's wild.

Yeah, yeah, don't bring that up to a path throwing to think like, good lord, I'm there having vodka cruzz and he's having a paddle pop, like, oh my god.

Yeah, yeah, don't bring that up to a path throwing to think like, good lord, I'm there having vodka cruzz and he's having a paddle pop, like, oh my god.

No.

No.

Look.

Look.

I loved getting married.

I loved getting married.

I felt like the whole day I was so present, which is really rare for me because I'm always so in my head and I just gave myself permission to just be in it and it just be about Tom and I, you know, and it wasn't about.

I felt like the whole day I was so present, which is really rare for me because I'm always so in my head and I just gave myself permission to just be in it and it just be about Tom and I, you know, and it wasn't about.

Anything other than us.

Anything other than us.

And we had the best people there and I had the best day and people say, oh, it's the past day of your life, and I was like, nah, I don't know. Like there was a day I went to a servo and they had like four sausage rolls for three dollars, so I would say that day was pretty good, you know what I mean?

And we had the best people there and I had the best day and people say, oh, it's the past day of your life, and I was like, nah, I don't know. Like there was a day I went to a servo and they had like four sausage rolls for three dollars, so I would say that day was pretty good, you know what I mean?

It was it better than the wedding day? Just not And no, I don't really I loved it.

It was it better than the wedding day? Just not And no, I don't really I loved it.

I just it's so so amazing to be around your family and friends and you just feel so loved. And like I think I prioritize work so much, so to be around family was just you know, it's like, oh my god, I wish I could do this all day, because people really prioritize weddings. But being married, I find it really weird to say husband, I feel like a full adult, you know, like I feel like I've graduated to adulting.

I just it's so so amazing to be around your family and friends and you just feel so loved. And like I think I prioritize work so much, so to be around family was just you know, it's like, oh my god, I wish I could do this all day, because people really prioritize weddings. But being married, I find it really weird to say husband, I feel like a full adult, you know, like I feel like I've graduated to adulting.

It's very grown up, isn't it. That's right?

It's very grown up, isn't it. That's right?

Yeah, And just like it comes with a level of you know, oh my husband will do that when he gets home. I don't know, Like sometimes I hate the word husband and wife a little bit, Like I get a bit like what does it mean? But like he's just so wonderful. Like my friend's coming this weekend and he's gone to her the Gold Coast and he's just cleaned up the whole house for me, and my friend's gluten free, so he's got gluten. He's a chef, so he's made all these gluten free meals for her and me because he knows that I can't cook. Would you say, I am not cooking because I am being really lazy? Or what's it called when you like you do something on purpose, like you're being.

Yeah, And just like it comes with a level of you know, oh my husband will do that when he gets home. I don't know, Like sometimes I hate the word husband and wife a little bit, Like I get a bit like what does it mean? But like he's just so wonderful. Like my friend's coming this weekend and he's gone to her the Gold Coast and he's just cleaned up the whole house for me, and my friend's gluten free, so he's got gluten. He's a chef, so he's made all these gluten free meals for her and me because he knows that I can't cook. Would you say, I am not cooking because I am being really lazy? Or what's it called when you like you do something on purpose, like you're being.

You like strategic about it, or like, oh, it's called like men are accused of it all the time. Oh, yes, I know what you mean. Sorry, like deliberately and competent, or there's yes, I know what you mean. Oh I wish I could figure out how to do the laundry, but I just I can't. It's an enigma of the machi. And you do such a great job of it. You just keep doing that, and I'll just keep sitting over here watching TV. Cool.

You like strategic about it, or like, oh, it's called like men are accused of it all the time. Oh, yes, I know what you mean. Sorry, like deliberately and competent, or there's yes, I know what you mean. Oh I wish I could figure out how to do the laundry, but I just I can't. It's an enigma of the machi. And you do such a great job of it. You just keep doing that, and I'll just keep sitting over here watching TV. Cool.

I have not made a meal in ten years. I'm a genius.

I have not made a meal in ten years. I'm a genius.

But I do.

But I do.

I do think there is an absolute alignment with you know, me really falling into where I wanted to go with my career, with meeting Tom because it happened at the same time. Because I think that when you're like loved in a really deep way, you can be like the stupidest, funniest, most honest, worrest version of yourself, which is the most authentic, which is what connects the most, and I think Tom brought that out in me and like made me feel like able and loved enough from behind to push forward. So it's kind of cool that those two really coincide.

I do think there is an absolute alignment with you know, me really falling into where I wanted to go with my career, with meeting Tom because it happened at the same time. Because I think that when you're like loved in a really deep way, you can be like the stupidest, funniest, most honest, worrest version of yourself, which is the most authentic, which is what connects the most, and I think Tom brought that out in me and like made me feel like able and loved enough from behind to push forward. So it's kind of cool that those two really coincide.

It really I love that because we talk a lot about the highlights th real. But I also think listening to you there tenure that that messy middle that you are pushing back against that narrative with what you are doing with being so generous with your story about your IVF journey and everything that you just spoke about with such heartbreaking candor, is you are showing the messy middle because with the aforementioned question mark, you don't know how it's going to play out, and you are sharing that in real time, in real time, So I think you're already disrupting that whole idea of the messy middle in the really important and still misunderstood area of how we talk about That's actually.

It really I love that because we talk a lot about the highlights th real. But I also think listening to you there tenure that that messy middle that you are pushing back against that narrative with what you are doing with being so generous with your story about your IVF journey and everything that you just spoke about with such heartbreaking candor, is you are showing the messy middle because with the aforementioned question mark, you don't know how it's going to play out, and you are sharing that in real time, in real time, So I think you're already disrupting that whole idea of the messy middle in the really important and still misunderstood area of how we talk about That's actually.

So cool even think about that.

So cool even think about that.

Yeah, you definitely are on. I also said I wanted to touch upon the issue of weight, and it is a difficult thing to talk about. I think with nuance and sensitivity, I think more than ever it's become a complex thing to talk about. You have lost a lot of weight and you are very clear or when we talk about it, I think again important to acknowledge it's because you did so for health reasons and as part of your fertility journey. Can I ask you about the reaction to your body changing.

Yeah, you definitely are on. I also said I wanted to touch upon the issue of weight, and it is a difficult thing to talk about. I think with nuance and sensitivity, I think more than ever it's become a complex thing to talk about. You have lost a lot of weight and you are very clear or when we talk about it, I think again important to acknowledge it's because you did so for health reasons and as part of your fertility journey. Can I ask you about the reaction to your body changing.

Yeah, I think people are really curious about it, because, yeah, it's a lot. I lost a lot of weight because I needed to, and I needed to quite quickly because I've been doing IVF since I was thirty four and I'm thirty nine. When I keep saying my age on this podcast, it's like I've recently it's like I'm about to forty, so I've got to be like, yeah, thirty, Yeah, so my thirtieth, don't worry about it, so my thirty.

Yeah, I think people are really curious about it, because, yeah, it's a lot. I lost a lot of weight because I needed to, and I needed to quite quickly because I've been doing IVF since I was thirty four and I'm thirty nine. When I keep saying my age on this podcast, it's like I've recently it's like I'm about to forty, so I've got to be like, yeah, thirty, Yeah, so my thirtieth, don't worry about it, so my thirty.

I'm not even having breakdown about turting forty at all.

I'm not even having breakdown about turting forty at all.

I'm not even having a mental moment about it. But yeah, so it is happened relatively quickly because I needed to, and I feel different. But I also feel like I understand why people want to comment on it because it is different and I look different. I get it. But also this is the shape and size I was when I first started creating. I actually gained fifty or forty five fifty kilos within a couple of years because I was prioritizing work, I was eating really badly, I was very stressed. Cortasol was really high, and I gained a lot of weight in the media, and then I was just like, can we just not talk about my body at all? You know, it's a big, small, indifferent Can I just can I just be a creative being who was not their body? But you know, we also live in a world where we kind of and I'm on video all the time, so it's yeah, I don't know, people seem to be not commenting as much as I thought to be honest, why people are negative or anything like that. But it is and was solely medical.

I'm not even having a mental moment about it. But yeah, so it is happened relatively quickly because I needed to, and I feel different. But I also feel like I understand why people want to comment on it because it is different and I look different. I get it. But also this is the shape and size I was when I first started creating. I actually gained fifty or forty five fifty kilos within a couple of years because I was prioritizing work, I was eating really badly, I was very stressed. Cortasol was really high, and I gained a lot of weight in the media, and then I was just like, can we just not talk about my body at all? You know, it's a big, small, indifferent Can I just can I just be a creative being who was not their body? But you know, we also live in a world where we kind of and I'm on video all the time, so it's yeah, I don't know, people seem to be not commenting as much as I thought to be honest, why people are negative or anything like that. But it is and was solely medical.

It's it's it's interesting to hear say that because I think that hopefully is a bit of sign of progress that we're becoming a little more sensitive and all of us are feeling a little sense of responsibility, whether it's Adam macro media level or just an individual level, because it really wasn't that long ago where you would go to your family then everyone would be saying something. So I thought, oh, you've put on weight on last weight or whatever as well.

It's it's it's interesting to hear say that because I think that hopefully is a bit of sign of progress that we're becoming a little more sensitive and all of us are feeling a little sense of responsibility, whether it's Adam macro media level or just an individual level, because it really wasn't that long ago where you would go to your family then everyone would be saying something. So I thought, oh, you've put on weight on last weight or whatever as well.

We need to have a baby bloody this that yeah, wait, oh you've got a choking neck about it up. And I feel like if there is one thing I can do with the space that I have on the internet and whatever is it, maybe I'll be changing people's family Christmas. Absolutely some people are going, oh, way you look different whether or not someone gains or losers weight, you know what I mean? Like the way it's just completely And the other thing is you don't know why people have lost or gained weight. You know, I gained a lot of weight through stress, but maybe that didn't look that way, you know what I mean.

We need to have a baby bloody this that yeah, wait, oh you've got a choking neck about it up. And I feel like if there is one thing I can do with the space that I have on the internet and whatever is it, maybe I'll be changing people's family Christmas. Absolutely some people are going, oh, way you look different whether or not someone gains or losers weight, you know what I mean? Like the way it's just completely And the other thing is you don't know why people have lost or gained weight. You know, I gained a lot of weight through stress, but maybe that didn't look that way, you know what I mean.

And it's it's so I knew wanced.

And it's it's so I knew wanced.

They also gained weight from ipar and it doesn't look like getting People don't know, and it's infuriating. And I you know, when you're doing something and people are commenting on the way you look and a lot of me, I'm a really good writer because I will fluctuate and I am going to continue to fluctuate my whole life. I am going to be big and small and I have been. That is my that is my am O, that is who I am. I am emotionally eating, I am up and down.

They also gained weight from ipar and it doesn't look like getting People don't know, and it's infuriating. And I you know, when you're doing something and people are commenting on the way you look and a lot of me, I'm a really good writer because I will fluctuate and I am going to continue to fluctuate my whole life. I am going to be big and small and I have been. That is my that is my am O, that is who I am. I am emotionally eating, I am up and down.

I'm moody.

I'm moody.

I have a weird relationship with food. I'm gonna I'm gonna struggle with food for my life. I'm gonna be up and down. But I'm really tenacious, I'm really smart, I'm really creative, and I want you to see that. I want you to see my soul and my heart before you see the way I look, please and not just me like every other person out there, like we are more than who we the I don't know the composite we are walking around in the bag of skin that we are walking around in the sim you know.