Environmentalist couple, Natalia and Javier, devoted their lives to protecting the Amazon rainforest. So when they’re gunned down during a protest, the police quickly zone in on a handful of political rivals. Whose interests were worth killing for?
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We're standing in one of the many illegally cleared fields at the edge of the Amazon rainforest, home to one in ten known species on Earth, our planets lungs, and it's being burned by people who either don't understand or don't care that when the Amazon dies, we all die. Today's protest puts our elected officials on notice, stop the deforestation or pay the price at the ballot box. Hive once again posted our coordinates in the caption of this video. Join us in the fight for our planet. I don't know how they can ignore that. That's why I love you. Let out here. You're a revolutionary. People need to understand what's at stake. I think they'll come. Here's someone now, oh ship, it's bed at all? What's its banner? Have you keep? The Amazon? Don's got a value, cloth took out of value and big food corps like his are the reason why deforestation in Brazil has increased over the past year. He's also well connected people like Marina Mortal. Politicians like Moto are the kind of people were going to drive out. Brother. Please your scientists drop this activism thing. Your family's blood will be on your hands. This isn't about anyone. This is about all of us, you know what. I hope someone does shoot you. That's the only way you'll learn. I love you, I forgive you you. Guys will work it out, you always do. I know, it's it's just hard. Oh my god. M Welcome to Solve, the interactive mystery podcast where you don't just hear about crimes, you solve them. Each episode will present you with a different case inspired by a true crime. You'll interrogate suspects, piece together evidence, and investigate the crime scene. You're the detective. This is your case, Can you solve it? Solve presents Amazon assassination. I had just gotten into the worst fight of my life with my brother. I storm off. Then I hear gunshots come running back and I see I see them. Oh you didn't not in line in their own blood. It didn't have to be this way. I told they were getting in too deep. But they've been so stubborn lately. I guess everything changed for them after the fire spreading faster than anything I've ever seen. We have to go. Let me just got a few things from the No, we have to leave it. There's a decade of research in there. There's no time come on, good, Okay, you're ready, it's all gone. We'll rebuild. Fucking got a value, we don't know, that's who did this, naive? Have you got a value? Clears the land, farms that makes more money, and to hell with collateral damage. Like us, there's no use in being angry, especially at each other. Our home just burned to the ground. I'm allowed a few moments of justified rage. Ah, but you're right now, it's not the time to get mad. Now's the time to organize. Natalia became obsessed organizing all these protests and social media campaigns. In the end, a lot of powerful people wanted them dead. And those people want you to think the killers have been caught. You know, those boys they arrested, but I was there. I was the one who caught them standing over my brother's body. They may have pulled the trigger, but they're just pawns, These terrified sixteen seventeen year old kids. They didn't kill Ha Viet Natalia on their own. They were working for someone. Yeah, we were set up. We keep telling you we don't know who hired us, but it's the truth. They don't believe us, Davi. They need to hear the voicemail. Somebody left us this creepy message. Look, this is our home address. Go there. Our pops will give you my phone. Good luck finding the place. We're deep in the favela. Hey, you figure out who send these messages? Does it mean we're getting out? How we're not getting out? Then? Why get these strangers our phone? It's the right thing to do. The phoney sold yours. We don't have much, obviously, but it was important to me that Silent Dowby have phones so that they could call it they ever got in trouble. Look, my boys are not killers. Somehow someone with money got their number, someone who knew I cannot work with his bum leg Silent day. They were just trying to help the family here. Listen, worked before stars for it with you warves. They had them over a barrel, kill or be killed. How are a bunch of four teenagers from the Fabila supposed to know how to handle this? Huh? I feel terribly about what happened to those scientists. But whoever said all this up took my boys away too. I don't know who was behind the voicemail. Could have been the same person who started the fires. Got val you already burned down heavy Natalia's home. Do you think he's above planning a hit on them? All? Right, let's build a new home. We should speak with the tribal leader of the area. Let him know we're here. We mean no harm. They left cleared out with the fires all part of a plan get rid of the tribes and get more land to clear for his farms. Heard he's got trucks coming in this weekend. You bet he's going to be piste when thousands of people stand in the way of those trucks. Thousands. We're viral, babe, don't you know whoa all these reposts? People are fed up. This is just the beginning. Here's the thing, siln me. We liked what those activists guys were doing. Yeah, you know see the Amazon and all that. Whoever sent that voice smell, that's who wanted them dead. Tell him about the rancher. Oh yeah, the rancher. We heard he got his son to shoot some lady like ten years back. Now all his sons in Joe for life. Salm me. We're thinking he got someone to do his dirty work once before. He's probably the one who set this whole thing up. Hey, tell me what you think of this tweet, Hey representative motto, when are you going to tell Cavo to stop tearing down your constituents home for profit? Tread lightly, Senora Moto, we're watching. I like that. Tread lightly. Okay, I'm almost done with the press release for the protest. Someone's outside, Hello, have you Natalyam? What the hell are you doing here? My name is Miguel Olivera. I am a cattle farmer. We know who you are. I only want to speak with you. Your son murdered our mentor, and for ten years I've been paying for that crime. Every day I feel terrible for what happened to that woman. Louisa. Her name was Louisa. She was the smartest, bravest environmental scientists in all of Brazil. Better not even think about asking for forgiveness because no, I understand apologies are useless at this point, but I do want to make amends. I'm not the same man I once was. I couldn't blame Heavier and Natalia for how they reacted to see. Ten years ago, my ranching business was expanding and I needed more land. The activists Louisa, she was working with the indigenous people, getting in the way. I guess I was railing against them, making a lot of noise about it. My son he took it all to heart, and he took our rifle and he shot that lady in her home. It's my greatest shame. You really expect us to believe you've changed. Maybe this will convince you alternative meat what I want to get into? Alternative meat. You're a rancher, Miguel. Times are changing. Soy beans are in such high demand, and crops take up less land than cattle. Farming still means deforestation. Or did you not hear about value burning down our home? Soy Beans aren't the reason your home was burned down. Greed is, and I'm not greedy like our value, not anymore. So go be a farmer, Miguel. What do you want with us? You have the ear of the people. You want some sort of alliance, yes, exactly, keep the Amazon lose car value right and ethical local business to fill the void. I don't clear one acre without consulting with you too, Neil, let us so let us think about it. Look, cattle ranching is unpredictable. I was since here when I proposed a partnership to Natali and Navier. Nothing I can say or do can reverse the pain my son caused them. But I thought if we came together in a common goal, everyone would benefit. You're not actually considering this. You really think Miguel can be trusted? I think conservation activism mix for strange bedfellows, that's all. What are you guys doing? Do you know that everyone's talking about this protest? Hello to YouTube and yeah, that's kind of the whole idea. If we want representative model's attention, we've got to go big. Okay. Even Migael Olivera came to us about a partnership the cattle rancher. He's a killer, that's his son. And who do you think he got the idea from? Everyone deserves a second chance. Probably only came to you because he's about to sign this big government contract. What are you talking about. He's going to get thousands of acres for his cattle form through some bullshit long strange bedfellows. Have you wait? Father? How do you know about the land deal? I haven't read anything about it yet. I okay, I'm working for Mortal okay as a courier, just for some extra cash. Wow, you're lecturing us about our partnerships, and you're working for everybody. Okay, sir, there's a note attached. It says, get out of the Amazon. You see what's happening. If you two don't stop, people are going to come after us. I think about my kids. I'm not going to let anything happen to the family bedroom. Sure did break through the window. That's gangster ship. I'm thinking good of value, God buy your foods. Is the number one producer of agricultural exports in all of Brazil. I built an empire, respectfully. A couple of truly huggers are not worth my time. I was just conducting my business. It was the girl who was getting all hostile. Got the car keys? Yeah? Have you got the list of demands that gift tomorrow? It's got a value. What are you doing here? Where are you too Russian? Off to? Going to change yourself to some trees? We have a meeting with Mariina motto You're not welcome here. M hmmm. I thought the Amazon was all over our land. Look I have the Internet. I see this protester planning, do the smart thing and call it off. We're not afraid of you, car Valio. You get a few likes online and you think you're tough ship. Now i'd be careful about are you? What can you learning it when your little friend Luisa got into wheel of progress. If you think burning down our home then coming here and making threats is going to stop us, then you're even dumber than your reputation. Fine, fuck you both. Don't say any warn you. I come from the fabulas, I clawed my way to the top. I'm legit. Now you've got to funk it all up. Killing two science geeks? Nah, you want to find out who killed those two? Follow the money, Natahalia? Have you come in? Senora Mortor is just finishing up in a meeting. WHOA, this is so fancy. She'll be with you in a moment. Representative to morrow call me Marina. Please, thank you for coming. I am so happy to be able to tell you in person how much I appreciate the work you're doing for Brazil. Really you look surprised. Well, it's just that, well, you don't seem to be a fan of conservation. We know that you're behind the bill allowing people like Miguel Oliveda and Claudia Value to buy land. Well, first, let me be clear that anyone caught illegally burning any land will be forbidden from owning it and they'll be jailed. And yes, we're selling the burned areas, but part of this new law requires land buyers to provide a conservation plan, meaning reforestation. What. Sorry, this is not how we expected this conversation to go. Still, profiting off of the Amazon never leads to anything good. Well, some finessing maybe in order, which is why I'm so glad you're here. Was that a blue macaw? That's local. He's my number one buddy, follows me everywhere, very extinct in the wild. I'm working on their repopular nation. So you really really are interested in conservation very much, so if that's true, we drew up a list of demands, but maybe this could be more of a partnership we could announce at the protest. I like the way you're thinking, Adrianna, make a copy of these papers. Absolutely, Natalia and Javier were agents of change, the kind of change I thought I could make when I came into office. Change takes time. Without their voices, I fear our conservation efforts will take a giant step back. Their deaths were a dark day for Brazil. I'm sorry. Did you say conservation and mortal m No, no no, no, those two things don't make All I'm saying is that, like four years ago, I don't need it to model in the next year. What's a penny year for that value of fruits? I like that pull over there. I call it the model swimming pool. Five rides on rush and juicy. Do we need more tomatoes? Yea, get a few. Why aren't you returning my calls? Are you following us? Milk? We're not going to work with you? Why not? I thought we were going to be a team. You don't want to be a team. You just want us on your side so that we don't stage a protest on the new land you're getting for your cattle farm. Alternative meat makay. Yes, I was offered a contract, but I turned it down. Got a value signed the contract. Isn't he the one that you're protesting? Oh don't worry, We'll be protesting all of you. I thought we could have had something here. Join us tomorrow as we speak truth to power hashtag, keep the Amazon hashtag, lose god Valuo send all right, last post for tonight. Here's to tomorrow to tomorrow. It'll it's almost midnight. You need to hear this. It's all talk, I'll talk. Was it all talk when Luisa was shocked for doing the same thing you guys are doing. Guys, please, we're your family. My children are your children, and I want to provide a future for them. If we stop what we're doing because of threat, empty threat, They're not empty. If we stop, we might as well be dead. Okay, tomorrow has to go forward, and the day after that and the day after that. The world is burning bedrole literally, you're killing us. We're saving you, saving all of us. We all have to do what we think is right. I guess good night, it's Maria Mota Moto. Don't go through with the protest. What do you mean? My staff has been getting some ominous threats voicemails then, you know. Look, I want to make this happen. I do, but I just can't be in this fight right now. So you really are just another politician. I'm sorry, but I can't be a part of this. If I were you two, I wouldn't show up either. I tried to warn them they knew their lives were at risk. Had I shown up to the protest. I could have been killed too. We're standing in one of the many illegally cleared fields at the edge of the Amazon rainforest, home to one and ten known species on Earth, our planets lungs, and it's being burned by people who either don't understand or don't care that when the Amazon dies, we all die. Today's protest puts our elected officials on notice, stop the deforestation, or pay the price at the ballot box. Hive once again posted our coordinates in the caption of this video. Join us in the fight for our planet. I don't know how they can ignore that. That's why I love unit out here. You're a revolutionary. People need to understand what's at stake. Think they'll come. There's someone now, Oh ship, it's Bett. What's with its banner? Have you keep the Amazon? Let's got a value close took out of value and big food corps like his are the reason why deforestation in Brazil has increased over the past year. He's also well connected people like Marina Mortal. Politicians like Moto are the kind of people were going to drive out. Brother. Please your scientists drop this activism thing. Your family's blood will be on your hands. This isn't about anyone, this is about all of us. You know what, I hope someone does shoot you. That's the only way you'll learn. I love you, I forgive you. You. Guys will work it out, you always do. You know, it's it's just hard. Oh my god, you've reached the end of the investigation. It's time to decide who you think ordered the killing of Natalia and Javier. Here are your suspects. Javier's brother Pedro. You know what, I hope someone does shoot you. That's the only way you'll learn. The rancher Miguel ali Vera, we know who you are. I only want to speak with you, your son murdered, our mentor the gangster turned businessman Claudio car Voio. You think you're tough ship now I'd be careful of how are you? Or don't you learn anything when your little friend Luisa got into the way of progress. The politician Marina Morrow. But I can't be a part of it. And if I were you too, I wouldn't show him either. Or did the shooters, the Santos brothers act on their own. We were set up. We keep telling you we don't know who hired us, but it's the truth. We'll be back with the answer after a word from our sponsor. Now it's time to find out who killed Natalia and Xavier. The mastermind was two faced politician Marina Morrow. MS. Morrow may have portrayed herself as a conservationist, but she was only interested in making money off of the Amazon rainforest. All I'm saying is that, like four years ago, I donated the mortal. In the next year, it was a banner year for that Balio foods. Everything Morrow said was allied to manipulate whomever she was speaking to. I am so happy to be able to tell you in person how much I appreciate the work you're doing for bresume. I'm sorry, but I can't be a part of this. If I were you two, I wouldn't show him either. The only time Moral was telling the truth was in the voicemails. She would leave using a digitally distorted voice. But it wasn't what Morro said on the voicemails that gave her away. It was a noise that could be heard in the background, an odd robotic sound. Moro made sure to distort her voice beyond recognition, but forgot about one thing. Was that a blue macaw that's local. He's my number one buddy, follows me everywhere. The strange sounds in the background were Moral's beloved pet bird, Loco, extinct in the wild. The blue macaws calls could only have come from Marina Morrow's office. This episode was inspired by the two thousand eleven murder of a conservationist and his wife in Brazil. After becoming a prominent opponent of loggers and ranchers in the fight to preserve the Amazon rainforest, the activists and his wife began receiving death threats, and despite being named in a two thousand and eight report by a human rights group as an activist considered at risk of assassination, he was denied police protection. Three years later, the couple was shot and killed in an ambush attack. The killing of Amazon conservationists has only gotten more since, with fifty seven activists murdered in two thousand seventeen alone. Natalia was played by Carla Tassara, Javier by Caram Maliki Sanchez, Pedro by Edward L. Reina, Claudio by John Malario, Miguel by Paulo Andino, Marina by Rachel a quaintance, Davey by Abraham Rodriguez, sal by Dante Amato, Signor Santos by Steve Wilcox, Adriana by Amber Romero. Various sellers were played by Paulo Andino, Amber Romero and Steve Wilcox. This episode was written by Amelia Phillips, directed by Corey Serge. Executive produced by Corey Serge and Walt Palmer, Produced, recorded and mixed by Salt Audio. Edited and sound designed by Zach Pino for Salt Audio. Original music and score by Noah Gersh and Jamie Scheffman at Salt Audio. Recorded at Bang Zoom Studios. Casting by Romy Stepman, Casting Assistant Daisy Laura, Production Coordinator Liz LeMay. Next time on Solve, A teen's bright future is snuffed out. What's your emergency now, Parties high School? I mean the girl's bathroom by the back exit. We need helpful Please, we have a unit on the way. She's bleeding. It's just popp reving, she said. Was Hazel the victim of classroom jealousy? Or is it possible she knew too much? For a small fee, I will make sure her application meets u l A standards of acceptance. She gets in, I get paid for my time, clean deal. You know this is illegal, right, Tune in next week to find out