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Hey, what's going on? Welcome to another awesome episode of soft Rep Radio. Welcome back if you are a repeat listener, and if you're new to the show, Hey, I just want to mention that we have a merch store and it is soft reap dot com Forward slash Merch, So we'd love to see you guys tag us wearing the branded gear the merch that we have. I love it. It keeps the fireplace gas flickering in the background. Okay, that's a real fireplace, no green screen here. We got to keep it going. Number two is we have a book club. You've heard me talk about it. If you've listened to the show, you may have already taken us upon going and checking out the library the book club that we have, which is soft rep dot com Forward slash book hyphen Club Book hyphen Club, go check it out. A lot of great books that have been chosen by Brandon Webb and all the other Special Operations folks that are behind the scenes helping keep the ship rowing it's due course. And with that said, today I have a very cool, very special guest today and I'm going to read you his bio. First, let me welcome retired Command Sergeant Major Bart Womack from the one hundred and first Airborne and the United States Army. Welcome to the show. It's nice to have you. Now. Now, Bar, as I mentioned, I just want to go over your bio. I'm going to read that and so if you'll just give me a moment, I'm going to pull that up right here and go for it.

Hey, what's going on? Welcome to another awesome episode of soft Rep Radio. Welcome back if you are a repeat listener, and if you're new to the show, Hey, I just want to mention that we have a merch store and it is soft reap dot com Forward slash Merch, So we'd love to see you guys tag us wearing the branded gear the merch that we have. I love it. It keeps the fireplace gas flickering in the background. Okay, that's a real fireplace, no green screen here. We got to keep it going. Number two is we have a book club. You've heard me talk about it. If you've listened to the show, you may have already taken us upon going and checking out the library the book club that we have, which is soft rep dot com Forward slash book hyphen Club Book hyphen Club, go check it out. A lot of great books that have been chosen by Brandon Webb and all the other Special Operations folks that are behind the scenes helping keep the ship rowing it's due course. And with that said, today I have a very cool, very special guest today and I'm going to read you his bio. First, let me welcome retired Command Sergeant Major Bart Womack from the one hundred and first Airborne and the United States Army. Welcome to the show. It's nice to have you. Now. Now, Bar, as I mentioned, I just want to go over your bio. I'm going to read that and so if you'll just give me a moment, I'm going to pull that up right here and go for it.

You ready, ready, all right?

You ready, ready, all right?

Bar E. Womack, Retired Command Sergeant Major bar E. Womack is the recipient of two Bronze Stars, one for valor serving in positions of great responsibility throughout the period of eighteen February nineteen seventy seven through thirty June two thousand and six. His career is distinguished by exceptional meritorious service. His evaluations list him as the standard by which others are measured. Retired commands are Major Bart Walmack distinguished himself as a consummate trainer of soldiers by constantly demonstrating the highest standards of military discipline, professionalism, and leadership, attaining one of the highest honors in the Army. He served at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier as a sentinel and relief commander. Later, he served as the Sergeant of the Guard, interfacing with the President of the United States, the Honorable George Bush and the Honorable Bill Clinton, as well as former Soviet leader Michael Gorbachev and other leaders on the world stage at numerous nationally televised wreath ceremonies during Operation Iraqi Freedom and throughout the Global War on Terror. Commands are Major Womack made signis to get contributions to the Army and the NCO Corps by providing focus, leadership and mentorship to all officers and enlisted soldiers who had the privilege to serve with him, regardless of location, situation, or enemy action. By virtue of his experience and knowledge of contemporary operations of the one hundred and first Airborne Division, Air Assault and Fort Campbell, CSM. Womack was selected to serve as an interim Division Command Sergeant Major from January through March two thousand and five. Like his exemplary performance before, CSM. Womack was able to execute the duties of that office while simultaneously balancing the duties of Commandant of the NCO Academy. This exceptional non commissioned officer has served the United States Army with distinction for nearly three decades. As a professional soldier, he is not only a tactical and technical expert, but also displays dedication and discipline associated with only the finest America has to offer. His maturity, expertise, and personal dedication to excellence have contributed immeasurably to the readiness of the United States Army and the security of our great nation. Since retiring commands are a major, Wi has worked in the entertainment industry as an actor and military technical advisor for feature films and television. Recently, he spent eighteen months in Afghanistan training the Afghan National Army and its senior l listed the leadership at the core level. He has spent time in Nigeria as part of the Africa Contingency Operation training that country's army. He volunteers his free time by mentoring Army ROTC cadets. Additionally, he works with returning veterans in the Saddles for Soldier's program, which, through the use of horses is designed to help veterans and their families better cope with the trauma and stressors that often come with returning from combat, long term depression, re establishment of life skills, and readjustment to civilian life. He proudly adds the title of author to his resume and again, welcome to the show.

Bar E. Womack, Retired Command Sergeant Major bar E. Womack is the recipient of two Bronze Stars, one for valor serving in positions of great responsibility throughout the period of eighteen February nineteen seventy seven through thirty June two thousand and six. His career is distinguished by exceptional meritorious service. His evaluations list him as the standard by which others are measured. Retired commands are Major Bart Walmack distinguished himself as a consummate trainer of soldiers by constantly demonstrating the highest standards of military discipline, professionalism, and leadership, attaining one of the highest honors in the Army. He served at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier as a sentinel and relief commander. Later, he served as the Sergeant of the Guard, interfacing with the President of the United States, the Honorable George Bush and the Honorable Bill Clinton, as well as former Soviet leader Michael Gorbachev and other leaders on the world stage at numerous nationally televised wreath ceremonies during Operation Iraqi Freedom and throughout the Global War on Terror. Commands are Major Womack made signis to get contributions to the Army and the NCO Corps by providing focus, leadership and mentorship to all officers and enlisted soldiers who had the privilege to serve with him, regardless of location, situation, or enemy action. By virtue of his experience and knowledge of contemporary operations of the one hundred and first Airborne Division, Air Assault and Fort Campbell, CSM. Womack was selected to serve as an interim Division Command Sergeant Major from January through March two thousand and five. Like his exemplary performance before, CSM. Womack was able to execute the duties of that office while simultaneously balancing the duties of Commandant of the NCO Academy. This exceptional non commissioned officer has served the United States Army with distinction for nearly three decades. As a professional soldier, he is not only a tactical and technical expert, but also displays dedication and discipline associated with only the finest America has to offer. His maturity, expertise, and personal dedication to excellence have contributed immeasurably to the readiness of the United States Army and the security of our great nation. Since retiring commands are a major, Wi has worked in the entertainment industry as an actor and military technical advisor for feature films and television. Recently, he spent eighteen months in Afghanistan training the Afghan National Army and its senior l listed the leadership at the core level. He has spent time in Nigeria as part of the Africa Contingency Operation training that country's army. He volunteers his free time by mentoring Army ROTC cadets. Additionally, he works with returning veterans in the Saddles for Soldier's program, which, through the use of horses is designed to help veterans and their families better cope with the trauma and stressors that often come with returning from combat, long term depression, re establishment of life skills, and readjustment to civilian life. He proudly adds the title of author to his resume and again, welcome to the show.

Thank you, hopefully you are. Is it still the way that?

Thank you, hopefully you are. Is it still the way that?

Oh right? What did you think? Did I do that? Okay? Did I read that? Good?

Oh right? What did you think? Did I do that? Okay? Did I read that? Good?

Oh? You nailed that. I was like, Wow, that's a lot.

Oh? You nailed that. I was like, Wow, that's a lot.

One take right there. That's you. That's just like a that's like a snowflake on the tip of the iceberg of you. I'm sure of it. You're such a you know, just a just a you're just you. You're awesome airborne. All right on a first, Yes, I just want to give you math props for all you've done for our nation and you know all if you've never been welcome home from any of your deployments, walcome home.

One take right there. That's you. That's just like a that's like a snowflake on the tip of the iceberg of you. I'm sure of it. You're such a you know, just a just a you're just you. You're awesome airborne. All right on a first, Yes, I just want to give you math props for all you've done for our nation and you know all if you've never been welcome home from any of your deployments, walcome home.

I appreciate that.

I appreciate that.

Yes, So when you were doing all of these things, are you a single guy? Are you a married guy? You got kids? What I mean? Like, did you juggle this? Like I got this? You know, you know my dad was a Green Beret, and he said, you know, I probably would have been a mercenary if I didn't have a family.

Yes, So when you were doing all of these things, are you a single guy? Are you a married guy? You got kids? What I mean? Like, did you juggle this? Like I got this? You know, you know my dad was a Green Beret, and he said, you know, I probably would have been a mercenary if I didn't have a family.

I like him already.

I like him already.

I like him already.

I like him already.

Yeah, so I would say it.

Yeah, so I would say it.

So seven years I was married. I think that's the math. So long divorced nineteen ninety nine. So if I'm wrong with the math, like who cares two sons? Yeah, yeah, right if they're older now. But most of it was just I was single.

So seven years I was married. I think that's the math. So long divorced nineteen ninety nine. So if I'm wrong with the math, like who cares two sons? Yeah, yeah, right if they're older now. But most of it was just I was single.

Yeah, so you're really was able to dedicate that.

Yeah, so you're really was able to dedicate that.

Yeah. I was probably able to do most of that stuff as a result of being single and having to think about who was left behind in terms of what when't accomplished at home and all those types of things. Although I would say most military spouses allowed their serving spouse the opportunity to pursue their career goals while they're in and then they reaped the rewards on the back end in terms of, Okay, now it's time to do what I want to do.

Yeah. I was probably able to do most of that stuff as a result of being single and having to think about who was left behind in terms of what when't accomplished at home and all those types of things. Although I would say most military spouses allowed their serving spouse the opportunity to pursue their career goals while they're in and then they reaped the rewards on the back end in terms of, Okay, now it's time to do what I want to do.

Right, Like I sat here, I took care of everything while you were gone, Mom and dad right there, the whole same with my mom. My dad would be gone. We never really moved around, right like military bratchet here like, oh, I lived at this base, that base, this base. Some parents move all around. It was more my dad just deployed. He would go do a ninety day or six month thing to Thailand, and Mom was always, you know, home, taking care of us, making sure that we were taking, you know, to school and eating, and she was dad and mom and dad came home and I'd be like, I got to like ease my way into this situation or get out of the way. Yeah, yeah, right, you know we've.

Right, Like I sat here, I took care of everything while you were gone, Mom and dad right there, the whole same with my mom. My dad would be gone. We never really moved around, right like military bratchet here like, oh, I lived at this base, that base, this base. Some parents move all around. It was more my dad just deployed. He would go do a ninety day or six month thing to Thailand, and Mom was always, you know, home, taking care of us, making sure that we were taking, you know, to school and eating, and she was dad and mom and dad came home and I'd be like, I got to like ease my way into this situation or get out of the way. Yeah, yeah, right, you know we've.

Got to make a choice. Yeah, you're leaving in a month, and so don't mess it up. But you might be leaving in two weeks. So I got everything in order, and just go with.

Got to make a choice. Yeah, you're leaving in a month, and so don't mess it up. But you might be leaving in two weeks. So I got everything in order, and just go with.

The flowest and play some catch because we know you got a good arm.

The flowest and play some catch because we know you got a good arm.

Yeah. So you all comes back to me and bums all around and I can't never grab it. So yeah, you don't do that now.

Yeah. So you all comes back to me and bums all around and I can't never grab it. So yeah, you don't do that now.

Now a little more about your bart you got Okay, So I was born nineteen seventy seven, right, that's what that's that's where I go from. And we read that you enlisted in February of seventy seven. I was born in September of seventy seven. So you're making choices at a young age, your post Vietnam but still very Vietnam. Is the uniform, the olive drab. Probably you're still wearing all the od's right and jungle boots and all the Gears issued gear from Vietnam. And so here you are. How old are you when you list?

Now a little more about your bart you got Okay, So I was born nineteen seventy seven, right, that's what that's that's where I go from. And we read that you enlisted in February of seventy seven. I was born in September of seventy seven. So you're making choices at a young age, your post Vietnam but still very Vietnam. Is the uniform, the olive drab. Probably you're still wearing all the od's right and jungle boots and all the Gears issued gear from Vietnam. And so here you are. How old are you when you list?

I was eighteen?

I was eighteen?

So just I just turned eighteen, I mean almost exactly two months my birthday December seventeenth, and I went off to basic training in February eighteenth.

So just I just turned eighteen, I mean almost exactly two months my birthday December seventeenth, and I went off to basic training in February eighteenth.

You just decided, you're like, I'm getting out of where? Where were you at?

You just decided, you're like, I'm getting out of where? Where were you at?

Comisow? I help born and raised, you know, graduated seventeen in June, and my plan was to go to college after a year after graduating high school. So I worked, and I've been working since age thirteen. So I was used to having my own money and doing my own thing and all that, and come from a single family, single parent household, and so I like money, like the opportunity to make my own money starting with a paper out and all those types of things. So I always was able to find a job and make my own money. So I guess the miilitary was an extension of that. But I was I was working at a place and my next oldest brother wrecked the transportation, so I had to catch the bus, and as a result, I was coming home one night in between the transfers of the bus and decided to walk instead of waiting for the bus because it was cold, and I was stumbing upon the recruiter station and went in there really to get warm, because I knew about their spiel because they were coming to the high schools and all that type of stuff. So I kind of heard it all before, said I was just going here. I listened for a little while. I'll get warm and warm.

Comisow? I help born and raised, you know, graduated seventeen in June, and my plan was to go to college after a year after graduating high school. So I worked, and I've been working since age thirteen. So I was used to having my own money and doing my own thing and all that, and come from a single family, single parent household, and so I like money, like the opportunity to make my own money starting with a paper out and all those types of things. So I always was able to find a job and make my own money. So I guess the miilitary was an extension of that. But I was I was working at a place and my next oldest brother wrecked the transportation, so I had to catch the bus, and as a result, I was coming home one night in between the transfers of the bus and decided to walk instead of waiting for the bus because it was cold, and I was stumbing upon the recruiter station and went in there really to get warm, because I knew about their spiel because they were coming to the high schools and all that type of stuff. So I kind of heard it all before, said I was just going here. I listened for a little while. I'll get warm and warm.

I got to catch the bus. Right, that was the plan.

I got to catch the bus. Right, that was the plan.

Well, he started saying some things because I never paid attention when it came to the high school, right, I didn't even stop at the tables, but sounded intriguing or whatever. At least it passed the conversation and the time or whatever. And more importantly, I couldn't make the decision on my own because I was seventeen.

Well, he started saying some things because I never paid attention when it came to the high school, right, I didn't even stop at the tables, but sounded intriguing or whatever. At least it passed the conversation and the time or whatever. And more importantly, I couldn't make the decision on my own because I was seventeen.

My mother would have to say yes.

My mother would have to say yes.

So with that in mind, if I never told her, then she was never going to know, and then you know, decision would be made at least until I made That's really what happened yeah, and that's why I ended up being So I was in I remember being October and then I didn't come in until February because I had to wait till December seventeenth for me to make the decision. My mother could have made it before that, but she was traveling and so I didn't end up making it. She let me make it after I turn eighteen.

So with that in mind, if I never told her, then she was never going to know, and then you know, decision would be made at least until I made That's really what happened yeah, and that's why I ended up being So I was in I remember being October and then I didn't come in until February because I had to wait till December seventeenth for me to make the decision. My mother could have made it before that, but she was traveling and so I didn't end up making it. She let me make it after I turn eighteen.

So you confided in her said hey, mom, I want to do this. I'm thinking about joining the military.

So you confided in her said hey, mom, I want to do this. I'm thinking about joining the military.

Thinking about it.

Thinking about it.

Yeah yeah, and she's like, well.

Yeah yeah, and she's like, well.

I never said that I want to do this. I had said, well, I went there, you know, told me this, I'm thinking about it. And then I didn't even think about it for another month, and then I decided I would do it.

I never said that I want to do this. I had said, well, I went there, you know, told me this, I'm thinking about it. And then I didn't even think about it for another month, and then I decided I would do it.

And so did you straight go infantry? Is that what you were thinking? Or what did you enlist?

And so did you straight go infantry? Is that what you were thinking? Or what did you enlist?

I knew nothing about the military first and foremost. I mean I knew nothing. Even though my oldest brother had served in the Navy. You know, I was much younger. He's nineteen years older than me, so I didn't really get all those stories. So I didn't know anything. I thought that airborne was, you know, jumping out of airplanes. That was the craziest thing ever. I thought that I didn't know anything about the Rangers. I just only arrange I knew was smoking the bear right and those rangers right anything in somebody's food. So I was clothless. I just knew that, Okay, I'm going to go do this thing and we'll figure it out from there.

I knew nothing about the military first and foremost. I mean I knew nothing. Even though my oldest brother had served in the Navy. You know, I was much younger. He's nineteen years older than me, so I didn't really get all those stories. So I didn't know anything. I thought that airborne was, you know, jumping out of airplanes. That was the craziest thing ever. I thought that I didn't know anything about the Rangers. I just only arrange I knew was smoking the bear right and those rangers right anything in somebody's food. So I was clothless. I just knew that, Okay, I'm going to go do this thing and we'll figure it out from there.

Bro. And that took you to so many opportunities that you've been able to, uh you know, be in uh different parts of time of history of the world changing. You know, we mentioned that you were serving with presidential detail right where you have one president who serves under uh, you know, a Republican uh you know crew, and then you have another uh president that serves under a Democrat at it crew, And so how do you stay just because you mentioned they're both honorable? Nothing was like just this. This president of that president said the honorable and the honorable. You're very respectful to both sides of the fence. So give us some wisdom on how we can still stay respectful. You know our military personnel. May I kind of loosely quote one of my generals that I've had on he said rad it says, US Marines, US Navy, US Army. Is there something to the US factor that you keep this, I don't know, you gotta get image.

Bro. And that took you to so many opportunities that you've been able to, uh you know, be in uh different parts of time of history of the world changing. You know, we mentioned that you were serving with presidential detail right where you have one president who serves under uh, you know, a Republican uh you know crew, and then you have another uh president that serves under a Democrat at it crew, And so how do you stay just because you mentioned they're both honorable? Nothing was like just this. This president of that president said the honorable and the honorable. You're very respectful to both sides of the fence. So give us some wisdom on how we can still stay respectful. You know our military personnel. May I kind of loosely quote one of my generals that I've had on he said rad it says, US Marines, US Navy, US Army. Is there something to the US factor that you keep this, I don't know, you gotta get image.

This is a This is an absolutely great question and topic for today's environment in military, and that general is right. In the time that I serve and throughout the time that I serve, it was all about us, and never at the water cooler doing a run ever discussed political parties. We served the country, and we took an oath to defend the Constitution against all enemies born and domestic, as well to listen to the commander in chief unequivocal. It didn't say in that oath if it's a Republican commander in chief, then we listened more. If it was a Democrat, listen less, or vice versa. So those things weren't talked about. No one was asked who you voted for after a voting day. It wasn't even mentioned. I mean, we probably were let off to make sure we voted in time if there wasn't early voting in all those types of things, but in terms of who, none of that scuff, none of that stuff was ever discussed. Now, maybe when people went home they fell in their own allegiance and ideology and know all that type of stuff, but never ever ever rad like, never ever ever ever, You're right, right, because because you don't have a choice if the president said that you're going here or going there, like, oh, I don't want to go because that's not my party, right, So why get involved in it in the first place. And that's the way it was. So so as from a leadership responsibility, if it ever came up, then you're you're to squashed that. But you leave, you leave from the top, you leave from the front. If you don't do it, you're saying an example. If you never do it and you don't allow it, then it should never happen.

This is a This is an absolutely great question and topic for today's environment in military, and that general is right. In the time that I serve and throughout the time that I serve, it was all about us, and never at the water cooler doing a run ever discussed political parties. We served the country, and we took an oath to defend the Constitution against all enemies born and domestic, as well to listen to the commander in chief unequivocal. It didn't say in that oath if it's a Republican commander in chief, then we listened more. If it was a Democrat, listen less, or vice versa. So those things weren't talked about. No one was asked who you voted for after a voting day. It wasn't even mentioned. I mean, we probably were let off to make sure we voted in time if there wasn't early voting in all those types of things, but in terms of who, none of that scuff, none of that stuff was ever discussed. Now, maybe when people went home they fell in their own allegiance and ideology and know all that type of stuff, but never ever ever rad like, never ever ever ever, You're right, right, because because you don't have a choice if the president said that you're going here or going there, like, oh, I don't want to go because that's not my party, right, So why get involved in it in the first place. And that's the way it was. So so as from a leadership responsibility, if it ever came up, then you're you're to squashed that. But you leave, you leave from the top, you leave from the front. If you don't do it, you're saying an example. If you never do it and you don't allow it, then it should never happen.

And that's the way it was throughout my entire time.

And that's the way it was throughout my entire time.

So so what's happening today where I talked about if the commander in chief makes a choice, it's almost as if this is what I would expect today's military, that some service member is trying to decide if I'm going to listen to the commander in chief because I'm not that political party. That's which you should expect to happen today. And not only would they lean on that side, if you will, they're going to carry it out and then we're going to know about it. On the news, that's the day's military, that's the days of I would tell you that there's a problem with that, because how can we how can we what's the word? I guess have an expectation what our military is supposed to do outside of what the normal thing is in an environment where we think they may make a choice because we've given them pro choice. We've given everybody that lever or push that button up of a choice as if they have a choice. They had one before. I feel today they have a choice if they wouldn't make it.

So so what's happening today where I talked about if the commander in chief makes a choice, it's almost as if this is what I would expect today's military, that some service member is trying to decide if I'm going to listen to the commander in chief because I'm not that political party. That's which you should expect to happen today. And not only would they lean on that side, if you will, they're going to carry it out and then we're going to know about it. On the news, that's the day's military, that's the days of I would tell you that there's a problem with that, because how can we how can we what's the word? I guess have an expectation what our military is supposed to do outside of what the normal thing is in an environment where we think they may make a choice because we've given them pro choice. We've given everybody that lever or push that button up of a choice as if they have a choice. They had one before. I feel today they have a choice if they wouldn't make it.

Like what if somebody wanted to have a choice about well commands, maybe says I f DoPT. I don't know about that.

Like what if somebody wanted to have a choice about well commands, maybe says I f DoPT. I don't know about that.

Yeah, time you don't, I would say that, then the inner workings of that is gone. But you know, I don't know. But in terms of the political climate, yeah, it is out of control.

Yeah, time you don't, I would say that, then the inner workings of that is gone. But you know, I don't know. But in terms of the political climate, yeah, it is out of control.

Right. Joining the military, you should understand there's a chain of command and that you're a part of that and your rank is at that level of where it's at, and you're joining the it's a volunteer military, which what makes us the greatest military in the world is it's volunteer, right, people who are there whatever their denomination or their their whatever creed, color, background, sex, or faith, whatever it is. They've chosen to be there to fight with the US in front of their name tape right, it's US, and then their last name's over here somewhere, because if you're reading left or right, your name is US right right.

Right. Joining the military, you should understand there's a chain of command and that you're a part of that and your rank is at that level of where it's at, and you're joining the it's a volunteer military, which what makes us the greatest military in the world is it's volunteer, right, people who are there whatever their denomination or their their whatever creed, color, background, sex, or faith, whatever it is. They've chosen to be there to fight with the US in front of their name tape right, it's US, and then their last name's over here somewhere, because if you're reading left or right, your name is US right right.

And I think if it went for the ability to know a person's name and be able to see it and you know, recognize their name and memorize their name, then the name shouldn't be in balld just take it off. What does that matter?

And I think if it went for the ability to know a person's name and be able to see it and you know, recognize their name and memorize their name, then the name shouldn't be in balld just take it off. What does that matter?

Right?

Right?

Rank matters, that's where have to follow that. And so a leader, when I'm not following a story name out there, Jones, I'm not following Jones because if Jones isn't that rank and Jones isn't that brand, right, you know what I mean, then I'm not I'm not following them. So if Jones comes out of Jones's mouth versus the rank and the name, I'm not following. I remember going and I would do this and leadership talks at the end of my career, and then when I was out, when I was talking to a military unit about about leadership, and I'd bring up some sort major whatever and I would say I was standing there and not talking about some things, and this is this is the time where the rank was velcrowed on and I take it just this tail just sling it now. Are you it is your name embodied and command? Sorry? Major? Or is it the other way around? If you're a leader, you should be able to go out there without that rank and then go lead and people follow. So they should be following you. That leadership all that should be embodying you, not that rank.

Rank matters, that's where have to follow that. And so a leader, when I'm not following a story name out there, Jones, I'm not following Jones because if Jones isn't that rank and Jones isn't that brand, right, you know what I mean, then I'm not I'm not following them. So if Jones comes out of Jones's mouth versus the rank and the name, I'm not following. I remember going and I would do this and leadership talks at the end of my career, and then when I was out, when I was talking to a military unit about about leadership, and I'd bring up some sort major whatever and I would say I was standing there and not talking about some things, and this is this is the time where the rank was velcrowed on and I take it just this tail just sling it now. Are you it is your name embodied and command? Sorry? Major? Or is it the other way around? If you're a leader, you should be able to go out there without that rank and then go lead and people follow. So they should be following you. That leadership all that should be embodying you, not that rank.

Nore.

Nore.

We know people don't respect the rank, but if they don't expect that, if they don't respect you first, they're not gonna they're not gonna respect that rank.

We know people don't respect the rank, but if they don't expect that, if they don't respect you first, they're not gonna they're not gonna respect that rank.

Right, you could have empty ranks. You could have a rank that's empty inside. He just somehow got to that level and it's like, you know, maybe he shows up every now and then to get the job done, but there's a an E five or like a sergeant who's just always doing everything else and getting it all done, and maybe he deserves a spot on the mission before. You know, the guy with all the other rank because he's putting in all this effort. This this other guy that's just like going to town doing the same job I guess that that rank would have I guess if you have empty ranks, someone has to fill those, and usually people are eager to get that spot.

Right, you could have empty ranks. You could have a rank that's empty inside. He just somehow got to that level and it's like, you know, maybe he shows up every now and then to get the job done, but there's a an E five or like a sergeant who's just always doing everything else and getting it all done, and maybe he deserves a spot on the mission before. You know, the guy with all the other rank because he's putting in all this effort. This this other guy that's just like going to town doing the same job I guess that that rank would have I guess if you have empty ranks, someone has to fill those, and usually people are eager to get that spot.

If you and I were doing the community activity and we all up and he said, everyone come here to do this thing or whatever, and there's no hierarchy, there's no designated leadership or anything like that. But people in the group, let's say just thirty of us, and someone has to take charge and make something happen. Whoever steps up and take charge and does all that stuff or whatever, And you'd be like, if you or I did that, it was like you guys must have been the military, because you sound like it. You're like, the way you have it all organized, although you've never done this state before, that would stand out. That's the same thing of taking the rank off. It's already in body, right or not.

If you and I were doing the community activity and we all up and he said, everyone come here to do this thing or whatever, and there's no hierarchy, there's no designated leadership or anything like that. But people in the group, let's say just thirty of us, and someone has to take charge and make something happen. Whoever steps up and take charge and does all that stuff or whatever, And you'd be like, if you or I did that, it was like you guys must have been the military, because you sound like it. You're like, the way you have it all organized, although you've never done this state before, that would stand out. That's the same thing of taking the rank off. It's already in body, right or not.

The person has it that the skill set, the skill set is there or not or not exactly.

The person has it that the skill set, the skill set is there or not or not exactly.

Which means another story.

Which means another story.

Maybe I could take it off and then there's nothing. That's what I'm saying because I have to listen to you because you gotta show me more than that. And that's when everybody's from Missouri. You gotta show me.

Maybe I could take it off and then there's nothing. That's what I'm saying because I have to listen to you because you gotta show me more than that. And that's when everybody's from Missouri. You gotta show me.

Show.

Show.

I take the rank off. Then because I don't respect you, you put it back on. Okay, I guess I have to do what you say, but you take it off like no, you can do some other stuff, but this ain't it.

I take the rank off. Then because I don't respect you, you put it back on. Okay, I guess I have to do what you say, but you take it off like no, you can do some other stuff, but this ain't it.

You know what my dad told me before I enlisted. He's, first of all, he's all white the Air Force, and I was like, well, they have a blue beret and you had a green beret, so I thought that would be easier to attain or something. That was the young me. And then he's like, I was gonna remind you something. He's like, no matter what, whether you like the rank or you don't like the rank, you have to salute the rank. He's like, you gotta salute. He's like, you can say sir, yes, sir, okay, but you still got to say sir, yes sir. They all know what you mean when you say yes sir.

You know what my dad told me before I enlisted. He's, first of all, he's all white the Air Force, and I was like, well, they have a blue beret and you had a green beret, so I thought that would be easier to attain or something. That was the young me. And then he's like, I was gonna remind you something. He's like, no matter what, whether you like the rank or you don't like the rank, you have to salute the rank. He's like, you gotta salute. He's like, you can say sir, yes, sir, okay, but you still got to say sir, yes sir. They all know what you mean when you say yes sir.

You know.

You know.

I'm just saying. He's like, you know you gotta do. You still got to you know, follow that. You gotta respect that, right, So I mean, I get that, but at the end of the day, one time he's like, he told me a story. There was a major giving him a hard time in his team, and he's like, sir, may I call you an asshole? Sir? And he's like, you may not, Radel and he's like, well, then I will not call you an asshole, sir. He literally, you know, just drilled it home to the guy, right. And so at the point, I mean, but there's also that teamhood and you know that camaraderie on an SF team. These guys are first named basis a lot of time. But yeah, at that time, he's like, sir, oh Dad, where are you at? Hopefully guarding his own planet according to his beliefs. And that's because we're Mormon here in Utah and that's where Dad's at. No one talks about that enough, bro, No one talks about you know here. They're like, oh, they've passed away. I'm like, yeah, but they didn't just pass away. They went on to get their planet.

I'm just saying. He's like, you know you gotta do. You still got to you know, follow that. You gotta respect that, right, So I mean, I get that, but at the end of the day, one time he's like, he told me a story. There was a major giving him a hard time in his team, and he's like, sir, may I call you an asshole? Sir? And he's like, you may not, Radel and he's like, well, then I will not call you an asshole, sir. He literally, you know, just drilled it home to the guy, right. And so at the point, I mean, but there's also that teamhood and you know that camaraderie on an SF team. These guys are first named basis a lot of time. But yeah, at that time, he's like, sir, oh Dad, where are you at? Hopefully guarding his own planet according to his beliefs. And that's because we're Mormon here in Utah and that's where Dad's at. No one talks about that enough, bro, No one talks about you know here. They're like, oh, they've passed away. I'm like, yeah, but they didn't just pass away. They went on to get their planet.

There you go.

There you go.

That's all. That's all. Okay, a faith, it's true. Go ahead and calm it down below. If you think I'm saying something wrong, go ahead. I'd love to hear that on your comments. Tell me about the church, go ahead, only raised in it my whole life. Now. The embedded enemy is the book that you draft that you've authored. It's out there. People can find it, you know, based just by googling Embedded Enemies? Am I saying that correctly?

That's all. That's all. Okay, a faith, it's true. Go ahead and calm it down below. If you think I'm saying something wrong, go ahead. I'd love to hear that on your comments. Tell me about the church, go ahead, only raised in it my whole life. Now. The embedded enemy is the book that you draft that you've authored. It's out there. People can find it, you know, based just by googling Embedded Enemies? Am I saying that correctly?

Correct?

Correct?

Right? And I'm just jumping here into you know, two thousand and three. The timeframe is Operation Enduring Freedom, Iraqi Freedom. It's like first wave, second wave of soldiers going in, probably first wave because we got hit what two thousand and one first wave? Huh yeah, So you're part of the first wave. And everybody's coiled up, everybody's all spun in, positioned to get ready to go. And then he wrote a book about what happened on this day where was he a private or I don't know the rank of this sergeant took some hand grenades and decided to just try to stop the situation with his own command team, and then also went after them with small arms fires? Was he subdued and shot and killed? Do you want to what happened? To tell us? Tell us about your book.

Right? And I'm just jumping here into you know, two thousand and three. The timeframe is Operation Enduring Freedom, Iraqi Freedom. It's like first wave, second wave of soldiers going in, probably first wave because we got hit what two thousand and one first wave? Huh yeah, So you're part of the first wave. And everybody's coiled up, everybody's all spun in, positioned to get ready to go. And then he wrote a book about what happened on this day where was he a private or I don't know the rank of this sergeant took some hand grenades and decided to just try to stop the situation with his own command team, and then also went after them with small arms fires? Was he subdued and shot and killed? Do you want to what happened? To tell us? Tell us about your book.

Books called Embedded Enemy The Inside of Threat, and there's a caption we have met the enemy and it is us which extends beyond the book and really in today's world and and school shootings and all those types of things, it's us, and frankly it's been us for quite a long time. As much as the country is making efforts now to keep potential future terrorists get rid of them, which is the right thing to do, we still have a very very bad internal problem of embedded enemy as well. So March twenty second, two thousand and three, we have been on this camp for about twenty days called Camp Pennsylvania, that's in Kuwait. This is our enemy's stage in base. We're putting the final touches on our orders at that particular time. So this is a Saturday particular time we are scheduled to across the border into our Raq. They're coming Thursday's about five days away, and again, final touches on the orders, get those things done, and really a big, uh, you know, a big, big moment for us to have finish completed all that and just ready to go after that. So I'm not letting a guard down by any meetings, but just to kind of relax a bit, like you.

Books called Embedded Enemy The Inside of Threat, and there's a caption we have met the enemy and it is us which extends beyond the book and really in today's world and and school shootings and all those types of things, it's us, and frankly it's been us for quite a long time. As much as the country is making efforts now to keep potential future terrorists get rid of them, which is the right thing to do, we still have a very very bad internal problem of embedded enemy as well. So March twenty second, two thousand and three, we have been on this camp for about twenty days called Camp Pennsylvania, that's in Kuwait. This is our enemy's stage in base. We're putting the final touches on our orders at that particular time. So this is a Saturday particular time we are scheduled to across the border into our Raq. They're coming Thursday's about five days away, and again, final touches on the orders, get those things done, and really a big, uh, you know, a big, big moment for us to have finish completed all that and just ready to go after that. So I'm not letting a guard down by any meetings, but just to kind of relax a bit, like you.

Know, that's kind of o X leveled it right.

Know, that's kind of o X leveled it right.

So we had a.

So we had a.

Little small p X on on the post.

Little small p X on on the post.

I went there to get me some little goodies because we had a television our command tent where med a commander and executive officer state and there's a TV there. So I'm planning to watch golf. I figured out how to get American golf. I'd watched it a couple of nights before. And it's a Saturday round and make a move day in golf and Tigers leading the field. And you know, I'm a big Tiger Woods fan. So I'm buying some snacks and everything. I'm gonna sit down there at midnight. You start watching some some golf all night home, right. I watched it on Thursday night, you know, during the first round, second round, I fell asleep in a chair in front of the TV there. And the third round, Okay, I'm gonna stay because I'm gonna eat myself away.

I went there to get me some little goodies because we had a television our command tent where med a commander and executive officer state and there's a TV there. So I'm planning to watch golf. I figured out how to get American golf. I'd watched it a couple of nights before. And it's a Saturday round and make a move day in golf and Tigers leading the field. And you know, I'm a big Tiger Woods fan. So I'm buying some snacks and everything. I'm gonna sit down there at midnight. You start watching some some golf all night home, right. I watched it on Thursday night, you know, during the first round, second round, I fell asleep in a chair in front of the TV there. And the third round, Okay, I'm gonna stay because I'm gonna eat myself away.

And so.

And so.

Later on that day, our ammunition arise right about you know, about seventeen hundred hours or sold local time there and in child time and all that. So our commander allows the subording units, I say, get their animals, and you guys make the decision about when you're going to distribute that you can guard it all night and distribute during daylight, or however you want to do it. You decide. So my driver brings me some ammunition, some some nine millimeter ammunition for my nine meal, and I have that on my my table where I'm gonna be working from, and my playing has my lowd ammo watch golf and do some bill pay Simon, right, yeah, playing for the night. So twenty two hundred hours, the commander comes in, Hey, I'm hitting the sack. So this is the first time in twenty days of being on this camp that he's gone to bed that early, right, you know. So he shuts it down, and I'm getting all prepared there to watch golf, golf on it comes on. I'm watching that. And so that the flat the ender our tent was kind of was to my right. I was sitting at a table. I'm right at the end of the table. TV is about five feet in front of you or so, and the ten flat kind of moved. I thought that was a little well, it wasn't odd, I'm sorry, because the wind would blow and that would happen. It would just script up against the wind flour. Then it did it a second time, and then I noticed this object kind of to my right front at the floor, and it's sparking. So I think that we're in the land and not quite right, and that is a not quite right grenade that's sparking before it explodes. And I've never been that close to the grenade before it explodes, so I wasn't waiting around to figure out what happens. I can tell you a story later because my pieces would be spread all over the place. So I jump up, run to the back of the tent to wake up the commander because if this grenade is gonna go off, obviously, you know I want him back there sleep. Our executive officers in attend as well. He was on the other side of the table, so he saw what I saw, So I knew he could take care of himself in terms of you know, his next next move?

Later on that day, our ammunition arise right about you know, about seventeen hundred hours or sold local time there and in child time and all that. So our commander allows the subording units, I say, get their animals, and you guys make the decision about when you're going to distribute that you can guard it all night and distribute during daylight, or however you want to do it. You decide. So my driver brings me some ammunition, some some nine millimeter ammunition for my nine meal, and I have that on my my table where I'm gonna be working from, and my playing has my lowd ammo watch golf and do some bill pay Simon, right, yeah, playing for the night. So twenty two hundred hours, the commander comes in, Hey, I'm hitting the sack. So this is the first time in twenty days of being on this camp that he's gone to bed that early, right, you know. So he shuts it down, and I'm getting all prepared there to watch golf, golf on it comes on. I'm watching that. And so that the flat the ender our tent was kind of was to my right. I was sitting at a table. I'm right at the end of the table. TV is about five feet in front of you or so, and the ten flat kind of moved. I thought that was a little well, it wasn't odd, I'm sorry, because the wind would blow and that would happen. It would just script up against the wind flour. Then it did it a second time, and then I noticed this object kind of to my right front at the floor, and it's sparking. So I think that we're in the land and not quite right, and that is a not quite right grenade that's sparking before it explodes. And I've never been that close to the grenade before it explodes, so I wasn't waiting around to figure out what happens. I can tell you a story later because my pieces would be spread all over the place. So I jump up, run to the back of the tent to wake up the commander because if this grenade is gonna go off, obviously, you know I want him back there sleep. Our executive officers in attend as well. He was on the other side of the table, so he saw what I saw, So I knew he could take care of himself in terms of you know, his next next move?

Yeah, yeah, getting away like trying to find cover.

Yeah, yeah, getting away like trying to find cover.

Right, But the command who's sleep that note?

Right, But the command who's sleep that note?

What's going on in your tent? This you saw this? This is fragged into your tent, correct.

What's going on in your tent? This you saw this? This is fragged into your tent, correct.

Yeah. So I get him up and say, hey, there's a grenade about to go off up front. We're gonna run out here in the count Oh yeah. So that gave enough time to get his boots on and then that was it. So I counted three USD start running down the middle of the aisle. So as we start running down down the aisle is when a fragranade comes in and the fragrnade blows him back into the area of where he was sleeping. So the EXO by that time had made it so so kind of vision. I don't want to go to feet, but you kind of have a front. I'm at the front. The exo is actually in front of me already, but you can't see like where I was operating from and low Nanmo and all that. There's a huge flutescing light, plenty of light. By the time I went to the back of the tent to get him up, it's pitch black dark. I can't see anything. So when I'm back there, I kind of line myself in the middle aisle because I know where that is, and to position the commander there because he's just waking up, like come over here, run straight, you know, right beside me, right, let's go.

Yeah. So I get him up and say, hey, there's a grenade about to go off up front. We're gonna run out here in the count Oh yeah. So that gave enough time to get his boots on and then that was it. So I counted three USD start running down the middle of the aisle. So as we start running down down the aisle is when a fragranade comes in and the fragrnade blows him back into the area of where he was sleeping. So the EXO by that time had made it so so kind of vision. I don't want to go to feet, but you kind of have a front. I'm at the front. The exo is actually in front of me already, but you can't see like where I was operating from and low Nanmo and all that. There's a huge flutescing light, plenty of light. By the time I went to the back of the tent to get him up, it's pitch black dark. I can't see anything. So when I'm back there, I kind of line myself in the middle aisle because I know where that is, and to position the commander there because he's just waking up, like come over here, run straight, you know, right beside me, right, let's go.

Yeah, was in back, so he's back that way.

Yeah, was in back, so he's back that way.

I'm kind of forward the middle, and then the XO is already in what's called the vestibule area of this tent. So I get outside and I noticed the Commander's not not there.

I'm kind of forward the middle, and then the XO is already in what's called the vestibule area of this tent. So I get outside and I noticed the Commander's not not there.

I'm calling for him.

I'm calling for him.

Kind of hushed tones because the enemy's here, right, so I don't want to power out out and you know, spotlight myself. So it's kind of hushed tones. And then I hear a gunshot and I know that it's the XO being shot. I'm pretty sure of that, and I pull pull out my pistol cock it the chamber around, and it doesn't chamber around. Remember, all my AMMO is on the table. I'm loading magazine, but I still had my weapon and the hoster magazine in there, you know, to keep the dust out. So I hadn't gotten in that one yet. So when I cock it, instead of going, it just.

Kind of hushed tones because the enemy's here, right, so I don't want to power out out and you know, spotlight myself. So it's kind of hushed tones. And then I hear a gunshot and I know that it's the XO being shot. I'm pretty sure of that, and I pull pull out my pistol cock it the chamber around, and it doesn't chamber around. Remember, all my AMMO is on the table. I'm loading magazine, but I still had my weapon and the hoster magazine in there, you know, to keep the dust out. So I hadn't gotten in that one yet. So when I cock it, instead of going, it just.

Goes walks back.

Goes walks back.

All right, So I'm I'm screwed. I've always told you don't bring nothing to a gunfight. It's bad enough to bring a knight to a gunfight, but nothing to a gunfight is even worse. So the talk is behind me about yeah, fifteen meters. I guess I run to the talk to get a weapon and ammunition and nods because you can't see. So I'm running in a hall for that. People are scaring to get that. In that time, a grenade is thrown into the another tent, and then a grenada is thrown to another tent, and shortly after someone else's shot, and just that quick amount of time, I get that AMO and everything and come back out go to my tent looking for the commander and executive alcor and they're not there. And at the same time I'm trying to I'm looking for insurgents.

All right, So I'm I'm screwed. I've always told you don't bring nothing to a gunfight. It's bad enough to bring a knight to a gunfight, but nothing to a gunfight is even worse. So the talk is behind me about yeah, fifteen meters. I guess I run to the talk to get a weapon and ammunition and nods because you can't see. So I'm running in a hall for that. People are scaring to get that. In that time, a grenade is thrown into the another tent, and then a grenada is thrown to another tent, and shortly after someone else's shot, and just that quick amount of time, I get that AMO and everything and come back out go to my tent looking for the commander and executive alcor and they're not there. And at the same time I'm trying to I'm looking for insurgents.

Right, get this, where are they?

Right, get this, where are they?

I'm armed?

I'm armed?

Now?

Now?

Ready, Yeah, there's nothing. You don't hear nothing. It's pitch black. There was a light set that was there, but the light set had been turned off, so you can't see anything.

Ready, Yeah, there's nothing. You don't hear nothing. It's pitch black. There was a light set that was there, but the light set had been turned off, so you can't see anything.

I tell people this how dark it was.

I tell people this how dark it was.

You take close your eyes, put one hundred miles now tape around it about ten times, right, and that's how dark it was. Even with the knives, like you need a sliver of a star. I couldn't see anything. Yeah, I mean I went out with those things and I probably walked, you know, twenty five feet and like this is no good.

You take close your eyes, put one hundred miles now tape around it about ten times, right, and that's how dark it was. Even with the knives, like you need a sliver of a star. I couldn't see anything. Yeah, I mean I went out with those things and I probably walked, you know, twenty five feet and like this is no good.

It is nobody, no nothing to give you any ambient and right, so I'm looking.

It is nobody, no nothing to give you any ambient and right, so I'm looking.

I'm looking for them, and I'm also searching for the enemy. And then I go back to the talk and say, well, I can't do both, So I'm gonna send someone to look for those two. Why I just look for the enemy. Then when I come out the second time, now there's someone else out, at least one person, because they challenged me, like who's there? And do that that trying to challeng and stay, well, it's first, it's halt at anytime, you know that's happened to someone's pointing the weapon.

I'm looking for them, and I'm also searching for the enemy. And then I go back to the talk and say, well, I can't do both, So I'm gonna send someone to look for those two. Why I just look for the enemy. Then when I come out the second time, now there's someone else out, at least one person, because they challenged me, like who's there? And do that that trying to challeng and stay, well, it's first, it's halt at anytime, you know that's happened to someone's pointing the weapon.

That's yes.

That's yes.

So I recognized the voice. This guy in served within the previous unit, and of course i'd say who I am, and he says, well, so I'm maye what's going on? I said, I don't know. I said, measure Romaine has been shot. Then he says, Captain, Seeper's been shot. So then starts our whole, our whole triage of casualties in the second tent. Now keep in mind it was there was a gunshot or grenade in the gunshot in the first tent. So the second tin had heard that that people in the second tent, so they started getting up. So grenade explodes at a fifteen degree radius. So if you're below the fifteen degrees, you might want to be fourteen. Then you're good. Now if you measure that degrees that it's pretty darn low.

So I recognized the voice. This guy in served within the previous unit, and of course i'd say who I am, and he says, well, so I'm maye what's going on? I said, I don't know. I said, measure Romaine has been shot. Then he says, Captain, Seeper's been shot. So then starts our whole, our whole triage of casualties in the second tent. Now keep in mind it was there was a gunshot or grenade in the gunshot in the first tent. So the second tin had heard that that people in the second tent, so they started getting up. So grenade explodes at a fifteen degree radius. So if you're below the fifteen degrees, you might want to be fourteen. Then you're good. Now if you measure that degrees that it's pretty darn low.

So you have to be flat, you have to be completed, like even like lower. You have to be so low yeah, yeah.

So you have to be flat, you have to be completed, like even like lower. You have to be so low yeah, yeah.

Yeah, And be honest with you, I think if you're laying on the floor, still not low enough. Because one guy got shrappened on the feet and he was laying down at the time, so you got to be below like the length of your feet and he I mean, he didn't wear fifteen.

Yeah, And be honest with you, I think if you're laying on the floor, still not low enough. Because one guy got shrappened on the feet and he was laying down at the time, so you got to be below like the length of your feet and he I mean, he didn't wear fifteen.

So anyway, other guys that started started to get up and they caught a lot of a lot of shrapnel in the upper torso as a result, the grenade just like landing like right, you know, five feet in front of him, and because they were standing up, caught a lot of it.

So anyway, other guys that started started to get up and they caught a lot of a lot of shrapnel in the upper torso as a result, the grenade just like landing like right, you know, five feet in front of him, and because they were standing up, caught a lot of it.

Intent too, as well as other casuals in Tent three and what he did in Tent two, what happened in Tent two. The grenade was rolled in and said we're under attack. Same thing with intent three. So there were more severe casualties than ten three. So with two thousand of casualties, were looking for the insurgeons at the same time, but having no sign of insurgents at all, like nothing. So I'd go to the talk and say something changed in its camp. Something had to have changed. You've been for twenty days. I'd gone out to the guard towers to check on the guards. They were doing the right thing either they fell asleep and insurgeons climbed over a twelve foot slanted berm to get into the camp. That's the only way it could have happened. And someone says, well, interpreters came in last night. Damn, it has to be themn go find them. So the search is only for the interpreters. While we're still looking for the insurgents and find the interpreters to interrogate them, just to learn that they know nothing, have nothing to do with it. So now we're back to looking for the insurgents. And I say at that time, if they can come in here, create all this devastation and leave no sign of them being here, we're going to get annihilated when we cross that board. We are totally underestimated. Uh, they're their fighting power, fighting strength.

Intent too, as well as other casuals in Tent three and what he did in Tent two, what happened in Tent two. The grenade was rolled in and said we're under attack. Same thing with intent three. So there were more severe casualties than ten three. So with two thousand of casualties, were looking for the insurgeons at the same time, but having no sign of insurgents at all, like nothing. So I'd go to the talk and say something changed in its camp. Something had to have changed. You've been for twenty days. I'd gone out to the guard towers to check on the guards. They were doing the right thing either they fell asleep and insurgeons climbed over a twelve foot slanted berm to get into the camp. That's the only way it could have happened. And someone says, well, interpreters came in last night. Damn, it has to be themn go find them. So the search is only for the interpreters. While we're still looking for the insurgents and find the interpreters to interrogate them, just to learn that they know nothing, have nothing to do with it. So now we're back to looking for the insurgents. And I say at that time, if they can come in here, create all this devastation and leave no sign of them being here, we're going to get annihilated when we cross that board. We are totally underestimated. Uh, they're their fighting power, fighting strength.

And capabilities and like their and their tenacity like to do something so like peace out, like that's us. Were those guys.

And capabilities and like their and their tenacity like to do something so like peace out, like that's us. Were those guys.

Nothing about their special operators and being specal right like they are elite? Elite? Yeah here and do this right. The commander was concussed from the grenade. He ended up being wounded with uh two pieces of trapnel in his arm, you know, but bled like a pig. That's what trapnel does. I mean, it's just you know, razor blades flying around on steroids is what tratine is at the end of the day. So he says, we need to get accountability of personnel. So you make a radio call that to get accountability, and learn that a guy named Sergeant Hassan ak bars missing, so are grenades ammunition. And that's when he become he became a suspect.

Nothing about their special operators and being specal right like they are elite? Elite? Yeah here and do this right. The commander was concussed from the grenade. He ended up being wounded with uh two pieces of trapnel in his arm, you know, but bled like a pig. That's what trapnel does. I mean, it's just you know, razor blades flying around on steroids is what tratine is at the end of the day. So he says, we need to get accountability of personnel. So you make a radio call that to get accountability, and learn that a guy named Sergeant Hassan ak bars missing, so are grenades ammunition. And that's when he become he became a suspect.

So we hear all that.

So we hear all that.

In the talk. Now myself in the intelligence officer, Major Romain, he had been going around all night checking bunkers, make sure people are doing the right thing, walking around with his pistol in his hand. So after we learned that, you come out and talk to be able to tell our leaders, look what we're looking for. Sacan to transfer that message down to the borning leaders. And then he notices this one bunker just kind of straight out of the talk to the right that he had not gone to. So he decides, let me go over here and check this bunker out, just do the same thing he had done all night, calm people down, et cetera. So he walks over to that bunker and says, who we have in this bunker. That's what they've done every night and all night was try to identify who's in the bunker. So we hear the person says, sar Knockbar. The dock Bar didn't know we're looking for him, so he calmly hosts this pistol so he doesn't appear to be a threat to dog Bar, and then walks closer to the bunker, just gets behind him and takes og Bar down because dog Bar doesn't never're looking for him, right, So that's how he becomes apprehended. He's flex cuffed. Someone asked if he did it or whatever, and as he gets ready to answer to tell me to shut up. So we didn't get an astra out of him right then and there, I get his weapon and smell it to see if it has been recently fired, and it had. Now I'm walking around, I have on like a fleece jacket and the fleece hat. That's all I have.

In the talk. Now myself in the intelligence officer, Major Romain, he had been going around all night checking bunkers, make sure people are doing the right thing, walking around with his pistol in his hand. So after we learned that, you come out and talk to be able to tell our leaders, look what we're looking for. Sacan to transfer that message down to the borning leaders. And then he notices this one bunker just kind of straight out of the talk to the right that he had not gone to. So he decides, let me go over here and check this bunker out, just do the same thing he had done all night, calm people down, et cetera. So he walks over to that bunker and says, who we have in this bunker. That's what they've done every night and all night was try to identify who's in the bunker. So we hear the person says, sar Knockbar. The dock Bar didn't know we're looking for him, so he calmly hosts this pistol so he doesn't appear to be a threat to dog Bar, and then walks closer to the bunker, just gets behind him and takes og Bar down because dog Bar doesn't never're looking for him, right, So that's how he becomes apprehended. He's flex cuffed. Someone asked if he did it or whatever, and as he gets ready to answer to tell me to shut up. So we didn't get an astra out of him right then and there, I get his weapon and smell it to see if it has been recently fired, and it had. Now I'm walking around, I have on like a fleece jacket and the fleece hat. That's all I have.

So once he's apprehended, I go back to get my.

So once he's apprehended, I go back to get my.

Gear so I have my gear on now and ammo this time, and I go back and get that weapon. And when I went to get my gear, I noticed that there was a piece of expended brass at our tent. So by now the light set is on and I saw that brass. So I took that weapon and put it by the brass, because I knew if this weapon, which smelt like it was fired and the round came from this weapon, then this thing called a dodic, those numbers would match. So when I took his weapon, all I did was put it on safe. I didn't clear it because I didn't I want that round when everything stayed like it was termed, that round already being there and the magazine is still in the weapon, because all those numbers are going to match this shelcationess on the ground if it was fired from this weapon and this lot of AMMO. So I put a guard there, which ended up being there for like two miles. He said, said you.

Gear so I have my gear on now and ammo this time, and I go back and get that weapon. And when I went to get my gear, I noticed that there was a piece of expended brass at our tent. So by now the light set is on and I saw that brass. So I took that weapon and put it by the brass, because I knew if this weapon, which smelt like it was fired and the round came from this weapon, then this thing called a dodic, those numbers would match. So when I took his weapon, all I did was put it on safe. I didn't clear it because I didn't I want that round when everything stayed like it was termed, that round already being there and the magazine is still in the weapon, because all those numbers are going to match this shelcationess on the ground if it was fired from this weapon and this lot of AMMO. So I put a guard there, which ended up being there for like two miles. He said, said you.

Only I can relieve you.

Only I can relieve you.

Yes, you know, I picked a trustworthy person or whatever and put him there and said only I can't relieve you.

Yes, you know, I picked a trustworthy person or whatever and put him there and said only I can't relieve you.

So again he's apprehended.

So again he's apprehended.

Kind of move them off away from everybody else, I'll tell you before that when I went to get my gear, I could see this complete devastation in my tent, and where I slept was all blown to pieces. So had I not been watching Tiger Woods play golf, then I wouldn't be talking to you right now. My whole air was blown up, went to sleeping bags, a sleeping bag cover called a Bavy sack, and that was full of shrapnel holes. More important that he's strapping the holes at the head and I would sleep with my skull kept on push my hand up at the top to keep it warm because I don't have any hair. All that was full of strapnel and along the side as well. My whole air was like caved in from the explosion of the grenade. Of where I slept. There was a walllocker that there was that I had that someone found out in the middle of the desert someplace and brought it back to me, and so I had that in my space. That walllocker actually saved the executive officers from being hit with shrapnel. Although he ended up getting shot, he would have got plastered with shrapnel because he had moved into an area of the tent adjacent to where the walllocker was but the walllocker took the blast of of the the blunt of the blow from the grenade, and what didn't hit the walllocker went into the lower area where.

Kind of move them off away from everybody else, I'll tell you before that when I went to get my gear, I could see this complete devastation in my tent, and where I slept was all blown to pieces. So had I not been watching Tiger Woods play golf, then I wouldn't be talking to you right now. My whole air was blown up, went to sleeping bags, a sleeping bag cover called a Bavy sack, and that was full of shrapnel holes. More important that he's strapping the holes at the head and I would sleep with my skull kept on push my hand up at the top to keep it warm because I don't have any hair. All that was full of strapnel and along the side as well. My whole air was like caved in from the explosion of the grenade. Of where I slept. There was a walllocker that there was that I had that someone found out in the middle of the desert someplace and brought it back to me, and so I had that in my space. That walllocker actually saved the executive officers from being hit with shrapnel. Although he ended up getting shot, he would have got plastered with shrapnel because he had moved into an area of the tent adjacent to where the walllocker was but the walllocker took the blast of of the the blunt of the blow from the grenade, and what didn't hit the walllocker went into the lower area where.

I slept, so we moved him off.

I slept, so we moved him off.

He's moved off to the side, and then he's asked again, you know, if he did this or why he did this, and he says, to keep y'all from killing our women and raping our children. And at the time, I'm thinking, who the hell is our It didn't resonate. His name is a sanakboy. All that stuff didn't resonate to me. You're in the art, you know, like we're talking about before, It says us Army. Right here, you took the same old I took. So the whole hour was not resonating with me. So immediately to take away from that immediately was you know, we don't go home with people at night number one. So I don't know what they're doing, what they're planning, where the illeology falls. They put on the uniform and come to work, it says army. So we think that they're living those values through and through, but yeah, not the case CID comes and they they take them away, they do start their investigation and everything. And then I learned because at the time I don't know. I told you what happened at the time in the tent when that first grenade comes in and sender grenadia starts fires. That's why it was sparking before it emitted the flame. But then the frag grenade came in. So had it reversed those and through the fag first, there would not have been any sparks and bart Womack would have been splattered all over the.