Everyone's faith journey evolves. Many of us have been deconstructing and reconstructing, tearing down practices and beliefs that don’t work as we seek to rebuild something that does.  



Matt Tebbe and Ben Sternke, authors of Having the Mind of Christ: Eight Axioms to Cultivate a Robust Faith, discovered, through their own personal journeys and as they guided others, that many were becoming disillusioned and needed help reconstructing their faith.



They turned to Jesus as the model and started to see that Jesus operated under some basic assumptions about God and his Kingdom. As they dug and learned, they identified eight foundational principles that Jesus assumed and operated under – starting with love. They say the first foundational principle this way: God is love, so it’s all about love.



It seems logical on the surface but dig deeper, and you’ll quickly see that we may believe this is true, but we don’t really live it.



Matt and Ben are cofounders of Gravity Leadership and co-pastors at The Table in Indianapolis. Listen in as we talk about their story, why they wrote this book, why love matters, and hear their insights on Mark 3.



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You can get a copy here: https://www.ivpress.com/having-the-mind-of-christ



Some highlights from our conversation:
Matt tells us about his journey of deconstruction and how it created dissonance in his life that he could no longer ignore. He says: It’s not working anymore, but I can’t quit Jesus
Ben also shares his story and how he saw leaders failing. This made him question: “Is there a way to do ministry that’s rooted in love?”
We talk about how they decided on the eight axioms and what they are.
We dive into the first one: God is love, so it’s all about love. And if we believe this, how many parts of our life do we live as if it’s really all about love?
We talk about some of the practices they offer in the book as opportunities for us to live like these axioms are true.
We end processing through Mark 3 and what it meant to both Matt and Ben.
A golden nugget toward the end of our conversation is when we discuss our real pain. Sometimes what God is up to is different than we would think because the goal is eternity. Hopefully, we can say on the other side of the experience: I wouldn’t wish this on a friend, But I can’t imagine having not gone through it.
We wrap up with a discussion on our meditation passage from Mark 3. Why was Jesus angry? And what was the man’s role in this whole scenario?



You can connect with Ben at: https://bensternke.com/

On Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ben.sternke.56/

On Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/bensternk3/

On Twitter: https://twitter.com/bensternke



You can connect with Matt at: https://gravityleadership.com/matt-tebbe/

On Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/matttebbe/

On Twitter: https://twitter.com/matttebbe



You can find Jodie at http://www.jodieniznik.com/

Instagram @creatingspaceforgod

Facebook @JodieGNiznik

Download free sample chapters from Jodie's Bible studies here.

Download your free Lectio Divina Journal here.

Everyone's faith journey evolves. Many of us have been deconstructing and reconstructing, tearing down practices and beliefs that don’t work as we seek to rebuild something that does.  
 
Matt Tebbe and Ben Sternke, authors of Having the Mind of Christ: Eight Axioms to Cultivate a Robust Faith, discovered, through their own personal journeys and as they guided others, that many were becoming disillusioned and needed help reconstructing their faith.
 
They turned to Jesus as the model and started to see that Jesus operated under some basic assumptions about God and his Kingdom. As they dug and learned, they identified eight foundational principles that Jesus assumed and operated under – starting with love. They say the first foundational principle this way: God is love, so it’s all about love.
 
It seems logical on the surface but dig deeper, and you’ll quickly see that we may believe this is true, but we don’t really live it.
 
Matt and Ben are cofounders of Gravity Leadership and co-pastors at The Table in Indianapolis. Listen in as we talk about their story, why they wrote this book, why love matters, and hear their insights on Mark 3.
 
GREAT NEWS: IVP is giving So Much More Listeners 30% off and free shipping until 5.17.23 with the code MUCHMORE
You can get a copy here: <a href="https://www.ivpress.com/having-the-mind-of-christ">https://www.ivpress.com/having-the-mind-of-christ</a>
 
Some highlights from our conversation:
<ul>
<li>Matt tells us about his journey of deconstruction and how it created dissonance in his life that he could no longer ignore. He says: It’s not working anymore, but I can’t quit Jesus</li>
<li>Ben also shares his story and how he saw leaders failing. This made him question: “Is there a way to do ministry that’s rooted in love?”</li>
<li>We talk about how they decided on the eight axioms and what they are.</li>
<li>We dive into the first one: God is love, so it’s all about love. And if we believe this, how many parts of our life do we live as if it’s really all about love?</li>
<li>We talk about some of the practices they offer in the book as opportunities for us to live like these axioms are true.</li>
<li>We end processing through Mark 3 and what it meant to both Matt and Ben.</li>
<li>A golden nugget toward the end of our conversation is when we discuss our real pain. Sometimes what God is up to is different than we would think because the goal is eternity. Hopefully, we can say on the other side of the experience: I wouldn’t wish this on a friend, But I can’t imagine having not gone through it.</li>
<li>We wrap up with a discussion on our meditation passage from Mark 3. Why was Jesus angry? And what was the man’s role in this whole scenario?</li>
</ul>
 
You can connect with Ben at: <a href="https://bensternke.com/">https://bensternke.com/</a>
On Facebook: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/ben.sternke.56/">https://www.facebook.com/ben.sternke.56/</a>
On Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/bensternk3/">https://www.instagram.com/bensternk3/</a>
On Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/bensternke">https://twitter.com/bensternke</a>
 
You can connect with Matt at: <a href="https://gravityleadership.com/matt-tebbe/">https://gravityleadership.com/matt-tebbe/</a>
On Facebook: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/matttebbe/">https://www.facebook.com/matttebbe/</a>
On Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/matttebbe">https://twitter.com/matttebbe</a>
 
You can find Jodie at <a href="http://www.jodieniznik.com/">http://www.jodieniznik.com/</a>
Instagram <a href="https://www.instagram.com/creatingspaceforgod/">@creatingspaceforgod</a>
Facebook <a href="https://www.facebook.com/JodieGNiznik">@JodieGNiznik</a>
Download free sample chapters from Jodie's Bible studies <a href="http://www.jodieniznik.com/studies">here</a>.
Download your free Lectio Divina Journal <a href="http://www.jodieniznik.com/connect-1">here</a>.

Welcome to So Much More where we're creating space to be with God. This podcast, hosted by Jodie Niznik, introduces you to two types of bible scripture meditation experiences, Lectio Divina and Imaginative Prayer, and gives you space to practice them. It also creates space to hear what others have experienced in their time with God.

Topics Covered:

📖 What Is Lectio Divina and Why Is It a Helpful Christian Practice
📖 What Is Christian Meditation and How Do We Use Scripture to Practice It
📖 Special Church Seasonal Series Including Lent, Easter, and Advent

If you are a Christian looking for ways to pray more or meditate more on Scripture, be sure to visit Jodie's website, https://www.jodieniznik.com/ for more information! 

Welcome to So Much More where we're creating space to be with God. This podcast, hosted by Jodie Niznik, introduces you to two types of bible scripture meditation experiences, Lectio Divina and Imaginative Prayer, and gives you space to practice them. It also creates space to hear what others have experienced in their time with God.
Topics Covered:
📖 What Is Lectio Divina and Why Is It a Helpful Christian Practice 📖 What Is Christian Meditation and How Do We Use Scripture to Practice It 📖 Special Church Seasonal Series Including Lent, Easter, and Advent
If you are a Christian looking for ways to pray more or meditate more on Scripture, be sure to visit Jodie's website, <a href="https://www.jodieniznik.com/">https://www.jodieniznik.com/</a> for more information!