Sloane Knows - Doc Rivers on MJ vs. Kobe Bryant, Lob City Clippers, Underrated NBA Stars

Published Mar 19, 2024, 1:00 PM

Prior to becoming the head coach of the Milwaukee Bucks, Doc Rivers sits down to be interviewed on this episode of the Sloane Knows! Podcast. Doc talks his upbringing, what it's like competing against Stephen Curry, Kobe Bryant & Michael Jordan (as a player), fathering high-level athletes like son Austin Rivers, who's underrated around the NBA in Doc's eyes, coaching the Los Angeles Clippers during the 'Lob City' era, and much more.


00:00 - Start
09:45 - Steph Curry
11:08 - Michael Jordan & Kobe Bryant
15:16 - Superlatives
21:58 - Being a father to athletes
23:36 - Underrated NBA talents
28:00 - Lob City stories
31:09 - Trivia

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Today's guest is a basketball who's NBA coaching career spans over two decades, including leading the Boston Celtics to a championship in two thousand and eight. His journey from Marquette to playing in the NBA to coaching his son in the league is a story you won't want to miss. Today's guest joined us right before taking the head coach position for the Milwaukee bus.

Let's get to know Doc Rivers. When I was on the car rid here.

I was talking to my mom and I was like, what questions should I ask?

Doc?

And my mom knows a lot about basketball from how much I talk about it, right, But she's not like, oh, like, she's not going to ask you like a deep basketball question.

She said.

She was like, you know, if you were a real doctor, what would you be a doctor of? So I want to know, do you think you'd be like a pediatrician or like a brain doctor.

I'd be a brain doctor for a shore. Yeah.

By the way, you know, I said brain doctor because I don't even know what it's called. Yeah, but I'm sure it had a big name.

I think it's a bigger name than we're using.

Yeah, I think so.

But it would be really great that if I could just operate on some of the brains of some of the players that I coach and I could tweet things a little bit. Oh, that would be awesome.

Well you can in two k you know, if you just want to go. Yeah, I love it. If you actually could tweet their minds, you would.

Oh gosh, yes, yes, all of them. Would make them all team players, and it'd be a little thing I would put. Listen to Doc everything, listen to Doc. Yeah, I would change them and I'd make them all tough.

Tough. Okay, now that helps. I feel like my parents would probably do that.

To my head. Yeah, to all of us.

So as we know, I'm sixteen years old and I'm in tenth grade. I want to know what you were like when you were sixteen.

Wow, that's a great question that when I was sixteen years old, I was Glenn Rivers. Yeah, I wasn't DOC yet. I was playing for Visas High School. It's one of the better high schools. I think there's twelve NBA players that came from that high school. That's non recruit it's just local people from the neighborhood and I was doing I was playing back. I played basketball all day. I never caught it work, you know, I just went to the park. Back then, when I grew up, we didn't have to have played eights. I would get on my bike and tell my parents I'd be home by the time the street lights came on.

Yeh.

And I literally was at Tenth Park from you know, sun up to sundown. That's what I did every day. And I did what other kids did. You know? You were rode the bikes and just hung out.

Yeah, but were you doing that with the goal of being in the NBA or for you this was just what you were doing in your free time because it was fun.

I love basketball. I actually I had that story that I rode on the I think I was in the fourth grade. I rode on the chalkboard I want to be a pro basketball player. And the teacher told me to race it and be realistic, and so I wrote it again. She told me to erase it again, and I wrote it again. And so I had an uncle, Jim Brewer, who played at the University of Minnesota, and he went to the pros so basket. That was my goal, but I didn't go to the park thinking about being a pro basketball player. I just go went because that's where the best games were and it was fun to play.

So you were a McDonald's All American. What do you remember most about that game?

Oh, it was a great It was in Oakland. I remember that I think I was the leading scorer in the game. I do remember that I think Russell Cross won the MVP. But it was awesome. You know, growing up in Chicago, you don't travel a lot, so that was one of the few times I was able to travel and get on a plane. And it was so cool to be able to measure yourself because you've heard of all these high school guys Derek Harper, but you've never played against.

Them, and so you know, see how you really get to see and.

In this generation now with au they all see each other. In our generation, we never saw guys from other states and other cities. So the McDonald's games that was that was a cool thing.

It was like pre MBA. It's like you got to it's almost like a preview.

Yes you can, you can measure yourself. I do remember coming from the McDonald's game thinking, all right, I'm pretty good yeah, I got a chance here. Yeah, so that was good for me.

I love it.

So on Google it says you're listed at six to four, and a lot of players have told me that they think that their Google height listing isn't really accurate.

Do you think it's accurate? And when did you hit that mark of six to four?

I am exactly six four, oh, exactly, probably shorter now because I'm older. I would say my junior year in college. Okay, yeah, I grew a little bit in college.

At sixteen. You think you're around like six.

Foot or yeah, yeah, right around six feet maybe maybe even shorter.

Yeah.

So obviously we know you won an NBA championship, You've done incredible things in your life. What would sixteen year old you think about you now?

Wow? I think you would be happy.

Yeah.

You know, my goal was to be a pro basketball player. Yeah, and I was that for thirteen years. Then I became a coach and I was that for twenty plus years and won a title, made the All Star team. So I think, yeah, I think you'd be very happy with me overall. You know, always when you asked that, it's funny, I didn't even think of sports at first. My first thought was because my parents, what would he think of me as a human being, as a person, Because that's far more important in a lot of ways than than what you are or what you do. You should be bigger than what you do, you should be more. That's what I guess what.

I would say that my parents are gonna love that you just said that.

It's true, It's very true.

So now that we know a little bit about you at sixteen years old, I want to know even more than we already know about you.

Now, So what was your welcome to the league moment?

Oh? My welcome to the league moment was my I think it was a second game, a third game my rookie career. We're playing Philadelphia and all the two stories you know, my name is my nickname is Doc, right, and so we were playing Doctor J. And I had never met Doctor J. And I was so nervous before the game. Yeah, and he walked up to me and said, what's up.

Doc, Wow?

And for me, that was cool.

That's that was boss.

That was cool. And then during the game, Maury's cheeks ripped me like three times. And that was my other moment in the league where okay, yeah, I have to be a better player. So, yeah, it was a cool thing.

I love that you just said that, because literally, my next question on the paper was going to say, can you take us through the story of how.

You got the nickname Doc?

For those of you who don't know, Doc's real name is Glenn, but obviously we all know him as Doc, and so I'm so curious to hear that story.

It's an interesting story. I was a freshman in high school at a basketball camp and I was registering and I had a picture of Doctor J on my T shirt.

Yeah.

Al McGuire, the legendary coach, was sitting next to Rick Majeris, the legendary coach, and Rick turns to him and says, that kid can really play. We need to keep an eye out on him. At the end of that week, the Milwaukee Bucks, back then pro teams would come in and play in front of the kids. Yeah, well, they only had nine guys, and Al McGuire gets up and says, hey, Doc, can you come out? We need you to play. I sat there. I didn't know. My name is not Doc, so and he said it three times. He kept pointing at me, Hey Doc, Hey, Doc, And finally I realized I was Doc. Doc. Yeah, and I got I was one of you know, a freshman in high school playing with the Milwaukee Bucks on a court and I scored, uh two baskets and all the kids start yelling Doc, and it's stuck.

That's crazy. Does anyone still call you Glenn?

Yeah? Yeah, my family, you know It's funny. I grew up in Maywood, just a suburb of Chicago. Whenever I'm anywhere and someone from the audience, yail's Glenn. I know it's somebody from Maywood, and no one at home calls me Doc. Everyone calls me.

It never stuck for your family only for like.

Yeah, yeah, my mom did not like someone changed my hurt. Yeah, you know that was my you know. So Yeah, But whenever I go home now my brother everyone it's Glenn. Yeah.

I love it. I'm gonna start calling you Glenn because like I need to be.

Like pat Riley would call me Glenn too when he thought I was not doing well.

Oh okay, So.

Now, in the next half of your career as an ESPN analyst, can you give me some advice on how you think I can improve my analyst game?

Wow, I would say this, and I don't know. If it's you improving your game, you're better than me, So I don't know how I'm going to tell you how to improve. I just think we should all celebrate people, and I think you do a great job of that overall, Like it's no negativity. Yeah, there's so many ways we can go. And when you look at most of the people you're going to interview, they've had fifty great things and probably three or four bad things. Yeah, and a lot of interviews when you do them, they're going to talk about two of the three of the bad things and talk about two of the great things that people have done in their lives. And I think we should celebrate people more. I think it's it be great for kids overall, we just celebrated everyone. I read a thesis I don't know somewhere, and this kid wrote, please allow my heroes to be heroes. Stop taking them down. I don't want to know the bad stuff. I just want to know the good stuff. I want somebody to look up to. And so I think that's what we should do more.

Yeah, And that's I love so much that you said that because for me, you know, I'm just such a fan of basketball and I sit here with my idols in the chair across for me, and all I see when I look at you guys is like a god, you know, like I'm so amazed. And I also hate that people bring you down instead of bringing you guys up, and that's so important to me to continue to do that. And I always think about this, you know, like I'm the biggest Steph Curry fangirl in the world, and I you know, admit that, Like at like twelve at night when I really probably should be a sleeper doing my homework.

I scroll on these like Warriors.

Twitter pages and Steph has like one bad shooting night and people are like, let's trade Steph.

I'm like, do you know what you're talking about?

You should never read that, And it's like.

Why would you ever say something like that. He has done so much for the game. He's an extraordinary person, an extraordinary player. And to take someone down for one little thing that they did, like the amount of bad grades that I've gotten. If someone was just like we should kick her out of school, I would be kicked out so many times.

First of all, I know your parents, I know I know you don't have any bad grades. There's no way. But Steph is truly one of the nicest human beings you can meet, and and it's real, it's not fake. It's what you see is what you get. What I love about that. He's also a vicious competitor, you know, and people He's proven you can be nice and mean at the same time.

Yeah, speaking of this sort of positive thing talking about other incredible players, I want to talk you a little bit about mj What was your first experience like playing against him?

You know, it's funny. I was in the They used to have this sports festival thing growing up, and I think I was a sophomore and he was a freshman and they played the Midwest, the South and the North and the East, and it was in Syracuse and at that time I never heard of Michael Jordan, you know, literally had never heard of him. He was an in Gooing. Yeah, he was an ingoing freshman in North Carolina. And playing against him that week, I remember coming from that thinking, I don't know what is Michael Jordan guy is, but he's really good. He's really good. Uh. And then obviously I remember his rookie year when we faced him. He was with the Bulls, and you know, the first thing, I thought, there's no way someone can play that hard and that attenpt the whole year, and he did it for his whole career, which tells you a lot about him.

It's truly incredible and similar. But what was your first experience like coaching against Kobe?

Well, you know, we had this thing what we call the best player on the other team, if the best player, if the best player on both teams, we would call the ASA space. And so every game he coached against the Lakers, they had Kobe, so we would say, okay, they have the ace spades tonight, yea. And so you would always try to affect him somehow by being physical, by trapping, by doing different things. He was as close to Michael, in my opinion, as there ever been. That doesn't mean there, you know, guys can't be better, but I'm just saying his makeup, everything he did reminded you of Michael, you know, even later in his career. You know, he went to the mid post game, just everything. What I loved about him most was his brain. And I loved the same thing with Michael. His intensity, like he was a co blooded killer and I love players like that.

Yeah, And what would you tell your team, you know, the ace of space was a guy like Kobe or like Lebron or like Staff, Like how do you stop them?

You know?

As a coach, well, I always tell them they could be better than you all year, but just not tonight. You know. I thought that way as a player too. I remember telling Michael that, like, yeah, you're the greatest player, just not tonight, you know. And you know, that's how I think you have to You can't. You can't look at these guys as gods when they're on the floor or when you're going against them, you're trying to beat them. Yeah, And I've always thought the competitors appreciated that, like, Okay, you're competing. Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm doing.

Okay.

So people may not know this, but as of the basketball nerd that I am, like, I've known this forever. So Doc's daughter, Calli, who played volleyball at the University of Florida, is married to Seth Curry, obviously the brother of Steph Curry and the son of Del Curry. And then Steph and says sister Sidell is married to Damian Lee. So your guys's family, In my opinion, I think maybe the basketball royal family. On every side, there's just incredible athletes.

Look what is Thanksgiving?

Like, it's hid me through everything. When all the families get together, it's something turns into something competitive. Yeah, you know, it just is a lot of times, especially like with Austin and Seth and Staff and all those guys everything they talk about sports. Yeah, you know, that's what we all are. And the debates for like Dylle and I are hilarious to listen to because a lot of times, like Austin will call me with Seth on the phone and he said, you gotta we have a debate going here, And I would always say, I say neutral because I want them to keep going because it's hilarious.

So yeah, it's pretty cool though.

I love keeping up with the Kardashians. I want to see a reality TV show.

You don't want to see that, I know I do so.

In high school and like a classic yearbook, you know, there's like superlatives like who's most likely to succeed whatever. You've been a coach and a player on so many incredible teams. So I want to do some Dock River superlatives. So I'm going to give you the team and then I want you to answer, okay, with who you think would be the most fitting. So who was the funniest player in the huddle on the Sixers?

Oh? Probably probably Tobias. I'm gonna go Tobias. Yeah, yeah, he was probably the funniest in the huddles.

Interesting. What about on the Clippers?

Oh, Jamal Crawford.

Okay, that makes so much more sense to me than Toby, Like, I wouldn't think that Toby Jamal Crawford.

First of all, I loved him, but yeah, he yet usually it was about offense, you know, some way for him to score. H Yeah, I would go with Jamal Crawford.

Okay, who was the team dad on the Sixers?

That would be Tobias for sure.

That makes yeah, that makes sense.

Yeah, that that would be. That's why he was funny because he would say things that but what in his age group, Like you would think, like what is he talking about? But uh, that that's an one hundred percent Yeah.

Who on the championship winning Celtics team do you think could eat the most wings?

Oh? Big baby? Yeah, come on, that's not even a contest. Uh. The craziest contest though, that that was the most competitive team I've ever coached. All of them were competitive.

Yeah.

They had an arm wrestling competition on the plane once. It's been talked about before. I think it's the most athletic feet I've ever seen, because Big Baby is bigger than everybody and he was just killing everybody. And the finals came down to Big Baby and Kevin Garnett, and the players grabbed me to come watch, and I didn't want them to do it because I thought Kevin would get hurt. I'm worried about their shoulders.

And it started so long, like he's skinny, but yeah.

And Baby is huge. And it started and Kevin's just stared at Baby, and all of a sudden they got stuck and Baby gave in and Kevin won, and I was blown away by Kevin's That's when if you didn't believe in will power before that, you believed in and after that. Because I was straight Baby stronger than Kevin Garnett. Yeah, and yet Kevin won. It was awesome. It was cool.

I went to a Clippers preseason game and I sat next to Big Baby and the things that he was saying to players was insane for my little, you know, sixteen year old ears I cannot believe I heard those.

To the other player on the floor.

Yeah, preseason, so there was like Kobe Brown like the like you know whatever double rostered player on the Clippers that no one knows, and Big Baby's telling him. He's like, you know, while the games happening, He's like, I really like your game, but your shot selection really needs to improve.

Me.

You're like, how are you saying that to this guy? Like Terrence Man literally looked over at Big Baby and was like, you are a psycho, and he just did not stop. I loved it on that Celtics scene that you said was so competitive. Do you think anyone was a secret Lakers fan?

No? Maybe Paul Pierce growing up, he grew up in LA I think he said he was a Clipper fan, but I'm not sure. Yeah, but no, I would say, and if they were, you would never have said it. In Boston. That's that's real. Like the rivalry is real. And I didn't really understand that, you know, my first year as a Celtic coach until like we I think we lost a game that the Celtics and Tommy Heinsen and legendary Tim Heninson walked over to me it's like, we don't lose to the Lakers. Yeah, and I'm like, okay, but they're better, but okay.

Yeah.

Who on the Clippers was the most la like the most stereotypical, like always hang out with the celebrities all of that.

Oh, DeAndre Jordan.

My guy, he was on slow nose.

Yeah, Matt Burns was close because Matt and DJ probably hung out the most and knew the most. Blake knew a lot of people too, but Blake was more trying to get into the business.

Like, yeah, you know, wanted to have fun.

Andre Andre is the NBA fun guy. Like every team you play, they know DJ and they're going out with DJ. He's one of my favorite people too. Yeah, he's just a good dude.

He is so nice.

The other day I reposted you know, he had that poster the other day and I reposted it and he said, I'm famous now that Sloan reposted my story. And it's like, it's just that really means so much to me, you know, because guys don't have to say things like that.

But he would, and he is me. He's a champion. Now. I actually think DJ should be the first Clipper Jersey retired really, I really do. He was the original one. He's all defense. Let me gold medal, NBA champion stay there. The longest was traded was never never, just left. So I think when they opened a new arena they should put DJ's jersey up. I think that'd be really cool.

Steve Bommer listened to Doklan, please do do it.

So this one is for my dad and for the dads out there, because I obviously was not alive when you were on the Knicks. But I think a lot of Knicks fans want to hear this. On your Knicks team, who do you think was the most likely to win a UFC match?

Charles Oakley or Anthony Mason or John Stark or Patrick Ewing? And we had that was that was a rough team. I love that team.

If you and Charles Oakley went in the ring, what's going down?

Oh? I beat him. I just punched him to death. You know we there's footage Charles Oaklan I had a fight when I was with He was with the Knicks and I was with the Hawks. We literally they someone just sent it to me because it was the anniversary of the Charles Oakley Doc Rivers fight. Uh huh. It was quick. I threw one punch and they grabbed us, and I was thinking, someone grabbed me quick? Please. No, Oakley is rough. He'd beat most of the leg for sure, you.

Think now still, Oh yeah, like him versanis.

Oakley was a grown man. Like There's see, there's a different thing. There's guys who in the NBA will talk like they want to fight. There's guys in the NBA who will fight, and then there's a few guys who want to fight. And oak was a want two guy, like he was looking for a fight. There's not a lot of guys like that.

Yeah, okay, So now let's move on to your kids, because it's super cool that not only were you an NBA player and an NBA coach, but that your kids also were basketball players and athletes, and that you've gotten to share that with them. Can you tell me a story about your kids that's made you most proud to be their dad that has.

Never been asked? You know, each one of them. I guess there's there's different moments. You know, Austin making the shot against the North Carolina was a problem, But I think my proudest moment of Austin was the day was drafted like that was his goal. He wanted to be drafted. My daughter won Gatorade Player of the Year in soccer in volleyball. I think the most proud moment I am of her, honestly is as a mom. She's a great mom, and I didn't see that coming. I loved my daughter. I didn't see great mom coming. I just didn't. I'm being very honest there. My oldest going to Georgetown playing in the final four was a problem moment. And my youngest, Spencer, who is now an assistant coach with Detroit Pistons, my proudest moment of him is they won the state championship. I know that sounds crazy. It was high school, but they were unranked, and unranked teams in high school never win anything. They beat a team that had I think like five D one players on it and it was the most It was the most prizing state title win maybe in Florida state history, and so I was really proud of him.

That's incredible. Who is an underrated player in the NBA that you've always admired their game?

Well, everyone knows Shaye now.

That's always everyone that he's not underrated.

But he's not underrated anymore. So it's you know, I always say Drew Holiday through his career, he's been the best defensive player in the NBA, and all of a sudden, like two years ago, people start saying, no, no, he's a good defensive player. And as a coach, I'm like, he's been a great defensive player through his career. So I'm happy that he's getting his due now. But he's been great for ten years. It's just taking people a long time to figure it out.

Yeah, who is a player that you've coached in your career that you've been impressed by their development? Like when they came into your organization, you were like, okay, there whatever, and by the time they left, you were amazed by what they've done.

Well, Shaye would have been, but we didn't have. But one year, Terry's Maxie is you know, it's funny Sloan his rookie year, he was shooting like twenty percent from the three point line. And I remember doing a press conference after the game and I said, Terry's Maxie is a great shooter. And the media there were people they literally like they started laughing. They destroyed me for making a comment, and I said listen, he's not made a shot in the NBA game. I get that, But the guy makes one hundred threes in a row in practice, fifty threes in a row. That's not a fluke. It's gonna come. I don't know when it's gonna come, but it's going to come. And I'm happy that I said that now because when you're watching play, because if it did so, he would be one for sure.

What was one challenging moment in your playing career that you had to overcome?

Oh, that's an easy one. When I first got in the league, I was not a good free throw shooter. Second year, I broke my wrists and I literally got the yips from the free throw line. And most players don't recover from that. Like you gotta be really mentally strong, like in baseball. When you get to yips, you have to change positions. You can never go back. I think I shot like fifty seven percent from the line under I tried everything. Trust me. I actually flew to Allentown, Pennsylvania because there was a guy named Hank Slider there was supposed to be a shooting coach, genius, and he actually helped. I still think I may have the NBA record for biggest improvement in the year. I think I went from fifty seven to eighty seven. Wow, in one year. Yeah. The time, though, what people don't see is sitting in the backyard shooting free throws. And I was late for a lot of stuff because I had to go like I would right before dinner. I would always say I have to make fifty free throws in a row. Well you would do it. Some days that took two or three hours, and so I was late for a lot of stuff.

You know, there's those pictures of I think it's Yannis and Marty Row's and I think both have an example of this where they're literally taking off the court and they're still saying they're shooting free throws.

And I think that that's.

You'll have to and when people don't understand, like I could make forty eight in the row but you miss, You're shooting a great percentage, but it's not what you said. Whatever the goal you set, you have to reach.

Yeah.

What leadership qualities do you think are essential for an NBA coach?

I think to be just leadership in general. I think you have to be a great listener. I think you can't be scared to tell the truth. And you can't be scared to be unpopular, because as a coach, sometimes you're gonna be the most unpopular person in the room. Yeah, because you're making people do things that they don't want to at the time. I always had this rule with my players, I'm never going to coach you to who you are today. I'm going to coach you who I think you should be someday.

Wow.

And and so that was great with the guys who wanted to be something else, but the guys who were who had settled, that was hard for them because I was still pushing them. So, yeah, I think you have to be really stubborn at times. Yeah, but you still have to be a great listener. You have to stay open minded. That's what you are. Yeah, No, you really are at times.

So you've got a luxury to coach the Lob City trio, who actually are all slow Nose alums, which is pretty cool. It's my first like trio that I checked off exactly. Can you give us a story that you remember with the three of them?

Yeah, just in playing. I mean, you know, the lop City thing had already started before I got there, and I just I wanted to be win City. I could care less about Lob City. I wanted to be win City. But then that Blake and DJ had and the passes that Chris made. You know, it's funny. I bet if you go back, I think Jamal probably made a couple of them too, But for the most part, all those passes were Chris Paul involved, and he should probably he wasn't a dunker, but he should get more credit, yeah, for creating dunk City because it really started when Chris arrived.

Yeah, I feel like for me because I'm a big Warriors fan. I always think about that with like Draymond's impact on Steph, and we saw this with Draymond's suspension, Steph's three point shooting percentage has gone exponentially down. Like I think he was shooting like forty three and he went all the way to like thirty seven. Because without Draymond there, who finds him and he knows where he is, That's not gonna happen. And I think it's cool to credit those behind the scenes guys like Chris where even if you don't really see it, it's there.

Like Blake and DJ couldn't be doing that without him.

Yeah, Chris was amazing for that team. It's a perfect fit in a lot of ways, just like Draymond is. You know, thinks Steph is averaging five points last in the Games of Draymond doesn't play because Draymond in a lot of ways is their point guard for Golden State, and they miss him.

They do.

I'm so excited to have him back. What is your favorite part about being your grandpa?

Uh, it's it's the best thing ever, that's better than I. First of all, let me just say this, Dale got the nickname g Daddy.

Wow.

So that's the perfect it's a perfect grandpa name, right, So he gets to stay cool and.

What are you?

I'm grandpa? So I'm like this old dude. I'm like, I'm younger than Dale. How did this happen? And so Dale got it first, so he's happy. You know. The greatest part is the love, Like you know, you know who the common opponent is, and it's the parents. I come in, I'm Candy, gifts play and then the best part and then I can leave.

Yes.

Yeah, So the last part of each Sloan Nose episode is trivia about you.

Which I don't know it.

Okay, So you're just gonna come up clean with that because a lot of people are like, very cocky.

I'm gonna know trivia about myself and they rarely do.

Okay, So DeAndre and Chris, when I interviewed DeAndre, you know, we're like chatting it up about who was the best that Sloane knows trivia. So if you want to join in on that chat, let me know how that goes. But anyways, earlier today I interviewed Kelsey Plump and she got a score of eight point five. And last week I interviewed Santi al Dama of the Grizzlies and he got a score of eleven. We've been doing this trivia for a while. Just thought of this sort of scoring situation. So if you probably asked DeAndre, he'd say he got like in one hundred. I would say he got more like a one.

He's very bad.

It's okay.

I would agree with that.

Yeah, you would agree, okay, Okay, So the points system is this, So zero points is nowhere close goodness, zero point five is in the ballparks of a correct answer. One is very close, and two is nailed it.

But I'm a very tough critic, Okay, like if you if you debate with.

Me, I'm gonna tee you up. I'm gonna find you everything. There's no debating. Okay, it's my grade book and that's how it goes.

So you're a mean NBA referee, I would be a meaning dea yeah referee, I mean I would.

I would suspend like I would throw people out of there.

Me too.

You wouldn't want to see it.

Okay, ready, okay, you were the Hawks all time leader and assists. How many assists did you have for the Atlanta Hawks?

Oh, my gosh, numbers? Yeah, I would never know that. Let me try to guess for mate. I'm doing quick math here.

Two thousand, three thousand, eight hundred sixty six. Unfortunately, Doc, I'm gonna have to give you a zero.

That's not in the Yeah. Next question, how many regular season games did you play in your career?

Oh? My goodness, the number thing. I don't even know my numbers after a game. Okay, eighty two games a year, yeah, thirteen years with injury. Oh, I'm gonna go on.

Thousand, eight hundred and sixty four, eight hundred sixty four.

Wow.

Do we feel like I feel like that's for this that's in the ballpark, right, that's like in the ball park. That's pretty good. So zero point.

But did you count playoffs?

No, this is regular, but by the way, with playoffs, it probably would be around that.

Yeah, that's why I'm checking.

I get to right, Okay, okay, So you were.

The Sixers coach from twenty twenty to twenty twenty three. How many Sixers coaches have there been before you.

In total in history? Yeah? Goodness, Okay, I'm gonna go with uh, because the Sixers fire a lot. I mean, they've had three and four coaches in the one season. What we did we just do the fifty year anniversary recently.

In the NBA, Yeah, seventy fifth year.

Yeah, so that's a chance of seventy five coaches. I'm gonna go with sixty coaches.

Sixty Yeah, it's fifteen what oh.

My gosh in the total.

Yes, yes, so.

I feel like that's a good thing then, actually, yeah, yeah, you.

Change the positivity thing, right, team in here with a negative perception of the Sixers office. And because I'm just this new, fresh, amazing perspective, I get that to you.

Right, just changed my whole perspective, even.

Though I just change your whole perspective. I'm going to have to give you a zero. That was probably the most that I've ever gotten.

Yeah, so I think you can. Let's get back from it. Let's bounce back.

Who was your career high in points against as a player?

I think I did it twice, and I want to say the Boston Celtics.

Let's get the other team.

Then, I don't know the other team. I'm gonna guess. I don't know.

I'll give you a hint.

The team no longer exists, Well they do, but with a different name and in a different.

City, New Orleans SuperSonics.

Is that right?

Yes, it's funny. I'm just teaching so many things.

So that's Oklahoma City.

Yes, that's what I meant, like because like technically, but I.

Thought I had the same number against the Celtics.

Someone's gonna have to fact check that. Yeah, that's interesting. I mean Google does say.

What was it? Thirty seven?

I believe so, yes, thirty seven. You were an All Star in nineteen eighty eight. Who won the three point contest that year?

Well, I'm just gonna guess, Larry Bird.

Yes, that's crazy. Yeah stuck. Yeah, finally, Okay, two points. So right now you're at two point five. I mean it's not.

Zero zero zero. Yeah, I'm better than dj R exactly.

Who won the dunk contest for that All.

Star Well, I know who should have won. Michael won.

Michael did win. Yeah, correct, so I get.

Points for that, Yes, but I know who should have won. Dominique one.

Dominique should have won.

Yeah it was in Caago some Dominic had no chick.

Unfortunately, I don't count should have won? He did win.

Okay, so four point five love it. How many points did you have in the nineteen eighty eight All Star Game?

Well, I have no idea thirteen nine, that's.

In the ballpark. I'll give you zero point five.

I think I had a I missed a ton of free throws in that game. Yeah.

Yeah, it was a bad But then once you improved, I was improved already.

I just had a bad night.

Yeah, so you're a five five doc.

I know you talk all the talk about being a good dad, right, But what is Austin's career.

High in the NBA? Yes, oh, he did it in the bubble. I know that forty one?

Correct, was a guest Austin. That is impressive, right, that's that's good for that. I d MD Austin and I was like, Austin, I'm interviewing your dad.

What should I ask him? And he didn't even answer, So like not chill of Austin.

That's Austin with text. That's also everything. He doesn't respond. I bet he will respond, but he's gonna take him back.

Okay, we'll take him by a week and then it'll be like awkward. Already interviewed him. That's your opportunity there.

But okay, you actually an insane comeback. So now you're at seven points with two questions left. Wow, oh my god, you're giving Kelsey a run for her money? Eight point five?

How many assists did you average at Marquette?

At Marquette, I'm taking you back. These are some tough ones. I'm gonna go six.

Point five, four point six? Come on, dot, I don't know, like, how did they.

Think that's that's close? How did they think I was a point guard?

Is it close? Two more?

Okay, I hear you, but two more assists assist isn't something that little?

You know what I mean?

Like, that's just four points.

It could have been six points.

Not in my air?

Your so do I there's no three points? So am I giving you in the ballpark in the neighborhood. In the neighborhood should feel like zero point three point three? Take that's like the teachers, like I can give you one zero point one points back like I that doesn't really help.

Led the team and assists at four and a half, Yeah, we must have really been there.

Not a good look.

How many Marquette players have been drafted to the NBA total?

Yes, wow, twenty one.

I'm just gonna give you another. It's much more than that. You have to give Markett a little bit more credit.

Twenty one's a lot, I know.

That's what I'm saying. You have to give. Like Marquette is a good bess.

That is a great best you d.

Wade Jimmy Buckets, like, come on, give credit that they deserve.

About thirty five?

Oh wow, you have no confidence? Fifty seven?

Is that right? Wow?

I know crazy Marquette. Yeah, yeah, good for you.

Okay, I love that I get a zero on that.

But I'm very happy of your final score. Seven point three. That's probably like a C.

That's a C.

Well, that's fine.

That was me in school.

Okay, love it.

So you're just continuing that now, Doc, thank you so much for being here. I had so much fun, and even though you were pretty bad at the trivia, I felt really good at answering all that.

Yeah. Well once you went numbers.

Yeah, numbers, numbers, I love it. Well, thank you so much for being here. This is so much fun.

By the way, you're doing amazing.

Thanks, thank you, Thanks for listening.

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