Hi am Kate Hudson, and my name is Oliver Hudson.

Hi am Kate Hudson, and my name is Oliver Hudson.

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We wanted to do something that highlighted our.

Relationships and what it's like to be siblings. We are a sibling, Rayvalry.

Relationships and what it's like to be siblings. We are a sibling, Rayvalry.

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No, no, sibling. You don't do that with your mouth, Revelry.

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Welcome back to part two of Governor Gavin Newsom and his wonderful sister, Hillary Newsom.

Welcome back to part two of Governor Gavin Newsom and his wonderful sister, Hillary Newsom.

I wonder like, if you remember Hillary anytimes where you like specifically had to have like a little tough love with Gavin, he would, oh yeah.

I wonder like, if you remember Hillary anytimes where you like specifically had to have like a little tough love with Gavin, he would, oh yeah.

I think some of those conversations that we talked about earlier when he was younger and newly and Paula tics and finding his personal way. We also, you know, lost our mom in a really traumatic, you know, heartbreaking way, and instead of engaging, he retreated and that was really devastating. And I had to be the bigger person to you know, slap them around a little and say come back to me, come back to her. So there's definitely been a lot of that exchange, but there's just been nothing but respect and having each other's back.

I think some of those conversations that we talked about earlier when he was younger and newly and Paula tics and finding his personal way. We also, you know, lost our mom in a really traumatic, you know, heartbreaking way, and instead of engaging, he retreated and that was really devastating. And I had to be the bigger person to you know, slap them around a little and say come back to me, come back to her. So there's definitely been a lot of that exchange, but there's just been nothing but respect and having each other's back.

You know, my brother's writing a book. If I'm allowed to say.

You know, my brother's writing a book. If I'm allowed to say.

Yeah, no, I mean which about that.

Yeah, no, I mean which about that.

I know, politician a book and it's not about politics, but it was kind of triggering for me because I realized like there, you know, and I was triggering for me because I was like, wait, this is my book too on some level, because there's so much overlap because we were you know, Gavin and Hillary, like we didn't have other siblings.

I know, politician a book and it's not about politics, but it was kind of triggering for me because I realized like there, you know, and I was triggering for me because I was like, wait, this is my book too on some level, because there's so much overlap because we were you know, Gavin and Hillary, like we didn't have other siblings.

So just to your point, I mean, I talk about all the big scrups, I talk about how I handle them badly or well, talk about our history. Even even I had forgotten my name because my dad's a William. There's like a bunch of Bill Newsom's like forever and ever, and I was named after some guy named Gavin Maxwell who wrote a book about river otters and and and of course it made sense because we had a river that was our first pet was an otter. Wow, people have like hamsters, We had an otter. That's that was my dad.

So just to your point, I mean, I talk about all the big scrups, I talk about how I handle them badly or well, talk about our history. Even even I had forgotten my name because my dad's a William. There's like a bunch of Bill Newsom's like forever and ever, and I was named after some guy named Gavin Maxwell who wrote a book about river otters and and and of course it made sense because we had a river that was our first pet was an otter. Wow, people have like hamsters, We had an otter. That's that was my dad.

Weird, big environmentalist of fabulous.

Weird, big environmentalist of fabulous.

He's big in a mound lines like everything about him was environmental advocacy, which is a big part of all my life, not surprisingly, but anyway, so yeah, this sort of book kind of it just you know, it explains and I love in the process. I mean, you guys have anything. Time you write and sort of reflect, it allows you to understand and the deeper level the why and who and the how and and uh. Anyway, but it was for her was traumatizing.

He's big in a mound lines like everything about him was environmental advocacy, which is a big part of all my life, not surprisingly, but anyway, so yeah, this sort of book kind of it just you know, it explains and I love in the process. I mean, you guys have anything. Time you write and sort of reflect, it allows you to understand and the deeper level the why and who and the how and and uh. Anyway, but it was for her was traumatizing.

Yeah, because it feels like I'm writing a book, but I don't want to write a book telling stories.

Yeah, because it feels like I'm writing a book, but I don't want to write a book telling stories.

She's like, what, that's new one's business. But it needs to be.

She's like, what, that's new one's business. But it needs to be.

You know, how do you think your trauma with your mother, her and just within your life has informed sort of who you are and your politics and the way that you've gone about governing. I mean, does that play a part into it?

You know, how do you think your trauma with your mother, her and just within your life has informed sort of who you are and your politics and the way that you've gone about governing. I mean, does that play a part into it?

It was, uh? And and you know, we it's in the book.

It was, uh? And and you know, we it's in the book.

It's in the books.

It's in the books.

We talked about in Oban. Hillary and I we were with her told her that she had assisted suicide and back before began it with you, before it was legal. And and I had the privilege of being governor when we made it legal. I think it was a lieutenant governor governor and uh, and so I remember that as a moment that was very personal, that debate because we had that experience. But but we're also there for her last breath and and uh, and I don't wish that on anybody.

We talked about in Oban. Hillary and I we were with her told her that she had assisted suicide and back before began it with you, before it was legal. And and I had the privilege of being governor when we made it legal. I think it was a lieutenant governor governor and uh, and so I remember that as a moment that was very personal, that debate because we had that experience. But but we're also there for her last breath and and uh, and I don't wish that on anybody.

I wasn't I Actually he might not remember, but I left the room.

I wasn't I Actually he might not remember, but I left the room.

I left the room because I had been with my mom for the four days before and hadn't left her side because she asked me to because she didn't want any hospice scenario. And she was holding a picture of us and she said, you're my works of art.

I left the room because I had been with my mom for the four days before and hadn't left her side because she asked me to because she didn't want any hospice scenario. And she was holding a picture of us and she said, you're my works of art.

And that was it.

And that was it.

That was I was done. I was done.

That was I was done. I was done.

And my mom looked at the doctor and said, how long is this going to take?

And my mom looked at the doctor and said, how long is this going to take?

My poor kids?

My poor kids?

And that's when I went into the other room.

And that's when I went into the other room.

When it was you know, my dad and my husband and our best my dad and mom's best friends, and it was really an aunt and uncle.

When it was you know, my dad and my husband and our best my dad and mom's best friends, and it was really an aunt and uncle.

It was horrible, but you skate and I kept saying leave, leave and he's like I can't.

It was horrible, but you skate and I kept saying leave, leave and he's like I can't.

Yeah, yeah, oh my gosh.

Yeah, yeah, oh my gosh.

But those moments shaped, you know, she we were brief time of foster family, and so I care about foster is she's my dad, and environmental care about environmental, She's sod all these things. You didn't even realize until you really start to go back and you're like, oh man, that's why I care so much about best buddies and special Olympics. I was like, I forgot mom was a development director, as I said, for ade adoption of special kids, and so all of that connects or she you know, or she struggled. I mean she like struggle like you took paycheck to paycheck. I mean that was our life, like literally our life and hard work and grit and having to work at janitorial jobs and I mean everything we ever had we had to work for. But that also shapes my life and my consciousness around you know, just hard work and grit and uh and then account.

But those moments shaped, you know, she we were brief time of foster family, and so I care about foster is she's my dad, and environmental care about environmental, She's sod all these things. You didn't even realize until you really start to go back and you're like, oh man, that's why I care so much about best buddies and special Olympics. I was like, I forgot mom was a development director, as I said, for ade adoption of special kids, and so all of that connects or she you know, or she struggled. I mean she like struggle like you took paycheck to paycheck. I mean that was our life, like literally our life and hard work and grit and having to work at janitorial jobs and I mean everything we ever had we had to work for. But that also shapes my life and my consciousness around you know, just hard work and grit and uh and then account.

And then I you know, similarly, as he's following one path. You know, my husband Jeff and I did similarly. We started a foundation for cancer research and education and helping break the psycho poverty. So that was our way of showing our contribution and honoring my mom and Jeff's mom who's a breast cancer survivor. But that was so we both kind of engaged in the way that we knew how and the way we knew we could be effective. And you know, I think I'm really proud of how we've both gone down that path to honor her.

And then I you know, similarly, as he's following one path. You know, my husband Jeff and I did similarly. We started a foundation for cancer research and education and helping break the psycho poverty. So that was our way of showing our contribution and honoring my mom and Jeff's mom who's a breast cancer survivor. But that was so we both kind of engaged in the way that we knew how and the way we knew we could be effective. And you know, I think I'm really proud of how we've both gone down that path to honor her.

Just be good citizens.

Just be good citizens.

Right, Yeah, So two years left, right, Governor two years.

Right, Yeah, So two years left, right, Governor two years.

Well they the last recall attempt failed, so it looks like potentially too So thank you because I wasn't sure they were going to try again. I'm just saying, so.

Well they the last recall attempt failed, so it looks like potentially too So thank you because I wasn't sure they were going to try again. I'm just saying, so.

What do you want to achieve in these next two years?

What do you want to achieve in these next two years?

What is your what is your biggest focus?

What is your what is your biggest focus?

I call it the Great Implementation. It's about now delivering on all the things we've been promoting and promising. And you know we're in the biggest I mean, the obvious, biggest issue in this state is what's happened on the streets and sidewalks and what's happening in the campments. And I want to see accountability. I want to drive accountability. State's vision has realized locally. As a former mayor, it's a responsibility of local government to address what's happening on the streets and sidewalks in the state. Has provided unprecedented resources. Now I want to see results. We're going to drive that harb We're driving on housing reforms and affordability and addressing the issues of nimbiism. I've been very aggressive on the issues of crime and addressing the issue of expansion of healthcare, and first state in the country with the universal health care. We've expanded by almost one hundred and forty thousand childcare slots. We've got a working families in general put up against any in the country as it relates to earn income tax credit and what we're doing to help families with child tax credits and these new college savings as we start with every kindergartener gets up some get up to fifteen hundred dollars every single kindergartener in California in a career and college savings account. We've created a brand new grade TK for All. We're fully implementing it this year. We've got after school Arnold Schwartz there talked about it. We delivered it five billion dollars. Fully implementing after school for all in summer school for all. We're going to get that done this year. And so on all these issues and making sure we continue to dominate in low carbon, green growth, change the way we produce and consume energy and all this green energy transition. Maintain our dominance in innovation and quantum and immunology and the work we're doing obviously in AI and how we're leading the nation, and entrepreneurial in innovation, entrepreneurial energy and innovation, all those things are a big part of it. And just soberly, yeah, Trump, what's that going to factor in? And how do I protect our diverse communities? How do to protect a state that's the most diverse in the country, twenty seven percent of our populations for and born. How do I have their backs out of the backs of mixed status families that are scared out about backs of farm workers? How don't I have backs of people that want to come here from around the world because they want to contribute immigrants.

I call it the Great Implementation. It's about now delivering on all the things we've been promoting and promising. And you know we're in the biggest I mean, the obvious, biggest issue in this state is what's happened on the streets and sidewalks and what's happening in the campments. And I want to see accountability. I want to drive accountability. State's vision has realized locally. As a former mayor, it's a responsibility of local government to address what's happening on the streets and sidewalks in the state. Has provided unprecedented resources. Now I want to see results. We're going to drive that harb We're driving on housing reforms and affordability and addressing the issues of nimbiism. I've been very aggressive on the issues of crime and addressing the issue of expansion of healthcare, and first state in the country with the universal health care. We've expanded by almost one hundred and forty thousand childcare slots. We've got a working families in general put up against any in the country as it relates to earn income tax credit and what we're doing to help families with child tax credits and these new college savings as we start with every kindergartener gets up some get up to fifteen hundred dollars every single kindergartener in California in a career and college savings account. We've created a brand new grade TK for All. We're fully implementing it this year. We've got after school Arnold Schwartz there talked about it. We delivered it five billion dollars. Fully implementing after school for all in summer school for all. We're going to get that done this year. And so on all these issues and making sure we continue to dominate in low carbon, green growth, change the way we produce and consume energy and all this green energy transition. Maintain our dominance in innovation and quantum and immunology and the work we're doing obviously in AI and how we're leading the nation, and entrepreneurial in innovation, entrepreneurial energy and innovation, all those things are a big part of it. And just soberly, yeah, Trump, what's that going to factor in? And how do I protect our diverse communities? How do to protect a state that's the most diverse in the country, twenty seven percent of our populations for and born. How do I have their backs out of the backs of mixed status families that are scared out about backs of farm workers? How don't I have backs of people that want to come here from around the world because they want to contribute immigrants.

I wonder how you reach reach that just because you know, I mean, what wasn't it over forty percent of Californians voted Republican.

I wonder how you reach reach that just because you know, I mean, what wasn't it over forty percent of Californians voted Republican.

Yeah, I'm not big.

Yeah, I'm not big.

Was that the most it's been in a minute?

Was that the most it's been in a minute?

Yeah? I mean it was marginally higher. But look, I mean, California is a big red state and it has some dense blue areas. I mean, look at the I mean, first of all, California is the size of twenty one state populations combined. We have more hunting jobs in California than any other state in America, more manufacturing jobs, we have more farming jobs, we have more ranching jobs, we have more timber jobs. People wouldn't necessarily connect California in that respect. I mean, obviously we're dominant NAG and then same time birthplace of biotech and life science and nanotechnology in AI and like, so we're both and silicon valid at Central Valley, you know, the Redwood coast of the southern border, and so we're America, but only more so. And that includes lots and lots of Republicans. We were Republican state, dominantly Republican state. There was a Republican governor not too many years ago, Arnold Swarzenegger. And it's ironic, you know, you think about where Trump's going to come, and again, forgive getting political, but it's interesting. He's coming after all our environmental laws and those go back to Ronald Reagan when he was governor of California. That led with the Air Resources Board, Richard Nixon created, Richard Nixon started the EPA, did the Clean Air Act. They're trying to vanalyze a half century of leadership that was bipartisan, is my point, and so I don't see things through blue and red lenses. I've spent a ton of time in the last six years in rural California. Heck, I mean, I was in Current County, Fresno. I was just up in Caloosa County. That was just my that was my calendar this last week, all conservative parts of the state. I care about people. I don't care who you voted for. And uh and uh. And we've got a lot of work to do to try to distill a sense of well being because not everyone believes that.

Yeah? I mean it was marginally higher. But look, I mean, California is a big red state and it has some dense blue areas. I mean, look at the I mean, first of all, California is the size of twenty one state populations combined. We have more hunting jobs in California than any other state in America, more manufacturing jobs, we have more farming jobs, we have more ranching jobs, we have more timber jobs. People wouldn't necessarily connect California in that respect. I mean, obviously we're dominant NAG and then same time birthplace of biotech and life science and nanotechnology in AI and like, so we're both and silicon valid at Central Valley, you know, the Redwood coast of the southern border, and so we're America, but only more so. And that includes lots and lots of Republicans. We were Republican state, dominantly Republican state. There was a Republican governor not too many years ago, Arnold Swarzenegger. And it's ironic, you know, you think about where Trump's going to come, and again, forgive getting political, but it's interesting. He's coming after all our environmental laws and those go back to Ronald Reagan when he was governor of California. That led with the Air Resources Board, Richard Nixon created, Richard Nixon started the EPA, did the Clean Air Act. They're trying to vanalyze a half century of leadership that was bipartisan, is my point, and so I don't see things through blue and red lenses. I've spent a ton of time in the last six years in rural California. Heck, I mean, I was in Current County, Fresno. I was just up in Caloosa County. That was just my that was my calendar this last week, all conservative parts of the state. I care about people. I don't care who you voted for. And uh and uh. And we've got a lot of work to do to try to distill a sense of well being because not everyone believes that.

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I have, I have, I have one. Politically, I have one law question because again I am so not political. I just it bothers me. The hypocrisy, the hypocrisy of both parties, the way that they speak out. I can't. I just can't.

I have, I have, I have one. Politically, I have one law question because again I am so not political. I just it bothers me. The hypocrisy, the hypocrisy of both parties, the way that they speak out. I can't. I just can't.

Well, let me just address the reason why this is. We grew up very like our our whole big family is very political, politically all over the place.

Well, let me just address the reason why this is. We grew up very like our our whole big family is very political, politically all over the place.

Yeah, I just feel like everyone's full of ship.

Yeah, I just feel like everyone's full of ship.

So we sort of grew up like in the middle. You know, we're like and then we're like, I don't even want to talk about it.

So we sort of grew up like in the middle. You know, we're like and then we're like, I don't even want to talk about it.

Yeah yeah, And when I do, it's just like, well, how are you saying that when you just did that, I don't know it just but anyway, my aside from all that, the one law that I honestly want more clarity on this is this transgender in school law about how you know, now there's there's not a requirement to sort of tell the parents. Can you just explain from kindergarten? Right? It's a little deeper. I'm just confuses me a little bit. Does that take the parents out of the equations?

Yeah yeah, And when I do, it's just like, well, how are you saying that when you just did that, I don't know it just but anyway, my aside from all that, the one law that I honestly want more clarity on this is this transgender in school law about how you know, now there's there's not a requirement to sort of tell the parents. Can you just explain from kindergarten? Right? It's a little deeper. I'm just confuses me a little bit. Does that take the parents out of the equations?

So it's pretty simple. There were there were a couple of school districts. We have about one thousand and fifty school districts in California, which shows you how large this state is. Independently elected school districts, and a couple of them mandated that if a teacher oversees a kid talking about their sexuality and it's not a transition, their sexuality probably got it that if they overhear, you know, Bobby talking to Johnny and saying, Johnny, I really like you. This is really awkward for me, you know, I really like girls or something, that they would be fired. This was the law they passed. They'd be fired if they didn't tell the parent. And it occurred to me, I says, why is that the teacher's job to be required or be fired to talk about someone's sexuality or something they're overhearing that has nothing to do fundamentally with the academic mission. And so we just said this. The law that I signed is pretty simple. It says you can't legally fire someone, but you also cannot deny that a teacher wants to say something to Johnny's parents.

So it's pretty simple. There were there were a couple of school districts. We have about one thousand and fifty school districts in California, which shows you how large this state is. Independently elected school districts, and a couple of them mandated that if a teacher oversees a kid talking about their sexuality and it's not a transition, their sexuality probably got it that if they overhear, you know, Bobby talking to Johnny and saying, Johnny, I really like you. This is really awkward for me, you know, I really like girls or something, that they would be fired. This was the law they passed. They'd be fired if they didn't tell the parent. And it occurred to me, I says, why is that the teacher's job to be required or be fired to talk about someone's sexuality or something they're overhearing that has nothing to do fundamentally with the academic mission. And so we just said this. The law that I signed is pretty simple. It says you can't legally fire someone, but you also cannot deny that a teacher wants to say something to Johnny's parents.

He can, she can.

He can, she can.

So we're not saying a teacher can't say. We're just saying you can't be fired if you're not going to be a snitch twenty four to seven and being out there on the school yard listening to everyone's conversation about their feelings about whether or not they're you know, they're they're they're coming out of the closet, which you know is a real life thing for a lot of people, but it was painted as a transition, right that.

So we're not saying a teacher can't say. We're just saying you can't be fired if you're not going to be a snitch twenty four to seven and being out there on the school yard listening to everyone's conversation about their feelings about whether or not they're you know, they're they're they're coming out of the closet, which you know is a real life thing for a lot of people, but it was painted as a transition, right that.

That's what I'm saying, Like you take something like that's why I'm asking for clarity, because I think.

That's what I'm saying, Like you take something like that's why I'm asking for clarity, because I think.

That sounds kind of great. I'm confused. Well, no, I'm just a little bit confused.

That sounds kind of great. I'm confused. Well, no, I'm just a little bit confused.

So what you're saying is is that the teacher isn't required to say something about.

So what you're saying is is that the teacher isn't required to say something about.

Since I'm gonna be governor, let me explain it to you, Kate, Okay, listen to me. It used to be the teacher would be fired if they.

Since I'm gonna be governor, let me explain it to you, Kate, Okay, listen to me. It used to be the teacher would be fired if they.

That was the law in a few districts the state. The state did not have this law. Quite the contrary. It was first of all, it's not a major issues. It's just like, this is where coloring in the issue. I can give you a hundred issues that are more pressing for kids, but this was colored in as a massive issue because it's a culture issue. And and there were a couple of school boards that said, we're going to fire teachers that don't that don't run and tell the parents. And we said, well, let the let the teachers decide what's in the best that just let the parents engage teachers. But I don't think you should fired a teacher because they heard they were on the playground about sexuality.

That was the law in a few districts the state. The state did not have this law. Quite the contrary. It was first of all, it's not a major issues. It's just like, this is where coloring in the issue. I can give you a hundred issues that are more pressing for kids, but this was colored in as a massive issue because it's a culture issue. And and there were a couple of school boards that said, we're going to fire teachers that don't that don't run and tell the parents. And we said, well, let the let the teachers decide what's in the best that just let the parents engage teachers. But I don't think you should fired a teacher because they heard they were on the playground about sexuality.

I was under the I was under the impression that the law is that if a child does go to the school or to the teacher, that the teacher is not required to discuss that with the parents, that they can keep that from the child.

I was under the I was under the impression that the law is that if a child does go to the school or to the teacher, that the teacher is not required to discuss that with the parents, that they can keep that from the child.

I can keep them they can keep it from the parents.

I can keep them they can keep it from the parents.

Yeah, but it's but it's that's it's a direct engagement, it's an indirect engagement. It's about how they're feeling about all this stuff. And and we're just saying, you won't be fired if you choose not to engage the teacher the parents in that. And then and there were some district said you'll be fired, meaning they're mandating it, mandating disclosure for every conversation, which we just felt went too far, and it was scapegoating kids that are going through lived experiences. And a lot of those kids come out and the teachers and friends in school and they start to sort of reconcile their sexuality and.

Yeah, but it's but it's that's it's a direct engagement, it's an indirect engagement. It's about how they're feeling about all this stuff. And and we're just saying, you won't be fired if you choose not to engage the teacher the parents in that. And then and there were some district said you'll be fired, meaning they're mandating it, mandating disclosure for every conversation, which we just felt went too far, and it was scapegoating kids that are going through lived experiences. And a lot of those kids come out and the teachers and friends in school and they start to sort of reconcile their sexuality and.

It's the teacher's discretion basically.

It's the teacher's discretion basically.

Yeah, completely, But I mean, we could turn teachers into snitches on a lot of issues. I could turn let's mandate they be fired on ten other issues as well, when you could fill in the blank.

Yeah, completely, But I mean, we could turn teachers into snitches on a lot of issues. I could turn let's mandate they be fired on ten other issues as well, when you could fill in the blank.

Do you know what, honestly, dude, like, forget about forget about you know, orientation, sexual orientation? How many stories have we heard about bullying that has not been addressed by the teachers or the schools, And then a kids ends up killing him or herself.

Do you know what, honestly, dude, like, forget about forget about you know, orientation, sexual orientation? How many stories have we heard about bullying that has not been addressed by the teachers or the schools, And then a kids ends up killing him or herself.

And that's the point, And This is why I was so aggressive on the Don't Say Gay bill that DeSantis did. Is why I did debates with DeSantis on Fox. Why I started going on Fox is the demonization, the scapegoating of teachers and librarians, firing them because they're allowing a kid to check out the wrong book, censoring speech in the classroom, also in the boardroom with these gaggirles. But the don't Say gaybil. We in the nineteen seventies, Governor Reagan came out against a version of the Don't Say gaybil. Reagan came out and and and defended when they tried to scapego teachers and the BRIGS initiative and they said they'd fire teachers. It's very reminiscent because the teachers were themselves gay and gay people can't teach our kids because they're quote unquote predators. Uh So, I just there's a lot of history in the state on this.

And that's the point, And This is why I was so aggressive on the Don't Say Gay bill that DeSantis did. Is why I did debates with DeSantis on Fox. Why I started going on Fox is the demonization, the scapegoating of teachers and librarians, firing them because they're allowing a kid to check out the wrong book, censoring speech in the classroom, also in the boardroom with these gaggirles. But the don't Say gaybil. We in the nineteen seventies, Governor Reagan came out against a version of the Don't Say gaybil. Reagan came out and and and defended when they tried to scapego teachers and the BRIGS initiative and they said they'd fire teachers. It's very reminiscent because the teachers were themselves gay and gay people can't teach our kids because they're quote unquote predators. Uh So, I just there's a lot of history in the state on this.

And so you think identity okay, well, well yeah, we could talk about this for.

And so you think identity okay, well, well yeah, we could talk about this for.

Our but I mean, yeah, getting into identity.

Our but I mean, yeah, getting into identity.

We should grab a bottle plump jack with me.

We should grab a bottle plump jack with me.

It isn't everything identity politics because everyone's identifying with that with what with what's true to them. I don't know.

It isn't everything identity politics because everyone's identifying with that with what with what's true to them. I don't know.

I think identity politics is that is that.

I think identity politics is that is that.

Space, religion and race, sexuality, Like, we all have identity that we vote on essentially, or an idea that we vote on. So isn't it all identity politics?

Space, religion and race, sexuality, Like, we all have identity that we vote on essentially, or an idea that we vote on. So isn't it all identity politics?

Yeah?

Yeah?

I mean for me. Look, I heard Obama right after he gave his first public remarks after the schilaking we took in the election, and he talked about pluralism, and it's a word I use all the time. I don't hear politicians use the word pluralism. And I was so excited, and I say, about California, we practice pluralism, active engagement in diversity. I see, it's point of pride. For me, it's a point of strength, it's not a point of weakness. The greatness of California is reflected in the diverse voices, the ability to get first round draft choices, the best and the brightest from around the world because they feel included. I remember when I was mayor in two thousand and four when we did the same sex marriage. I joked, but I wasn't joking.

I mean for me. Look, I heard Obama right after he gave his first public remarks after the schilaking we took in the election, and he talked about pluralism, and it's a word I use all the time. I don't hear politicians use the word pluralism. And I was so excited, and I say, about California, we practice pluralism, active engagement in diversity. I see, it's point of pride. For me, it's a point of strength, it's not a point of weakness. The greatness of California is reflected in the diverse voices, the ability to get first round draft choices, the best and the brightest from around the world because they feel included. I remember when I was mayor in two thousand and four when we did the same sex marriage. I joked, but I wasn't joking.

I said, this is an.

I said, this is an.

Economic development strategy and people went, what you mean, Oh, yeah, people are going to Tiffany's for rings. I said, no, it's about people feeling heard cared for. That I'm saying, as mayor, we have your back. Just because you love someone differently means we believe in you. We want you to feel included in our city, and we want the best people to come here. And to me, that was about creating a culture that's not only inviting, but in and that's where it's it's it's in that sort of it's in that space. And pluralism is just about the active engagement of our differences. It's about reconciling around the things that buying us together. And I just think it makes what makes California great. It's what's made us great. It's making this nation great. And I just I hate I hate bullies. I hate people talking down to people. I've got a trans good son, and I just don't like people demeaning. All these people want to do is survive. They want to just live. They want to live. And the way they've been used as ponds and by these political parties to get a vote, it really breaks my heart. That said, I look, I'm not naive. You know, I've got young kids and I get a parent. May that is obviously going to be upset as someone as an unfair advantage in a in a sport. That's those are those are more complex and difficult issues. But I just don't like the gay community always being on the receiving end of hate in homophobia, and I just feel like, boy, this is you know, I've been I've been an avid KIT for years and years and years and I'll always be and I'm just not going to turn my back on vulnerable people. And I won't turn my back on the gay community because the prevailing winds say you should.

Economic development strategy and people went, what you mean, Oh, yeah, people are going to Tiffany's for rings. I said, no, it's about people feeling heard cared for. That I'm saying, as mayor, we have your back. Just because you love someone differently means we believe in you. We want you to feel included in our city, and we want the best people to come here. And to me, that was about creating a culture that's not only inviting, but in and that's where it's it's it's in that sort of it's in that space. And pluralism is just about the active engagement of our differences. It's about reconciling around the things that buying us together. And I just think it makes what makes California great. It's what's made us great. It's making this nation great. And I just I hate I hate bullies. I hate people talking down to people. I've got a trans good son, and I just don't like people demeaning. All these people want to do is survive. They want to just live. They want to live. And the way they've been used as ponds and by these political parties to get a vote, it really breaks my heart. That said, I look, I'm not naive. You know, I've got young kids and I get a parent. May that is obviously going to be upset as someone as an unfair advantage in a in a sport. That's those are those are more complex and difficult issues. But I just don't like the gay community always being on the receiving end of hate in homophobia, and I just feel like, boy, this is you know, I've been I've been an avid KIT for years and years and years and I'll always be and I'm just not going to turn my back on vulnerable people. And I won't turn my back on the gay community because the prevailing winds say you should.

I can't do it. Well, I have one more question. Have you ever had a panic attack? Or do you have anxiety? I mean, like, do you have any like mental issues with all with all the pressure? Like you are you? Like I'm on lexapro, Like are you? I mean, like, if I'm on lexapro, you must be on Like I don't even know what I want that pill and limitless I want that, yeah exactly. I mean do you have stress? Obviously you do, but like how many panic attacks have you had in your life?

I can't do it. Well, I have one more question. Have you ever had a panic attack? Or do you have anxiety? I mean, like, do you have any like mental issues with all with all the pressure? Like you are you? Like I'm on lexapro, Like are you? I mean, like, if I'm on lexapro, you must be on Like I don't even know what I want that pill and limitless I want that, yeah exactly. I mean do you have stress? Obviously you do, but like how many panic attacks have you had in your life?

Do I? No? No? You know what he does.

Do I? No? No? You know what he does.

He's big into exercise, so I think that's what he gets on a peloton or gets in the U it's the sauna or you know that's how no Hoffman Institute yet, but he's been able to do it.

He's big into exercise, so I think that's what he gets on a peloton or gets in the U it's the sauna or you know that's how no Hoffman Institute yet, but he's been able to do it.

I went, I know, okay, between and I only wish we had had time to talk about our fanaticism for Christmas, but we'll do that in a Oh shit.

I went, I know, okay, between and I only wish we had had time to talk about our fanaticism for Christmas, but we'll do that in a Oh shit.

I know. Well, we were only leaving because you guys have to bail. I guess is it?

I know. Well, we were only leaving because you guys have to bail. I guess is it?

Are you? Are you as crazy as we are?

Are you? Are you as crazy as we are?

We're so crazy crazy.

We're so crazy crazy.

I mean, we don't have snow, and you know in Marin County, but there's reindeer hoofs on our roof that my husband Jeff, and there's you know, carrot remnants, and we've got Santa coming down. You know the videos all that our kids were, you know, seventeen before they stopped believing. My best friends like, yeah, if you don't tell them, I will because.

I mean, we don't have snow, and you know in Marin County, but there's reindeer hoofs on our roof that my husband Jeff, and there's you know, carrot remnants, and we've got Santa coming down. You know the videos all that our kids were, you know, seventeen before they stopped believing. My best friends like, yeah, if you don't tell them, I will because.

They're going to But yeah, yeah.

They're going to But yeah, yeah.

We have a whole I'm gonna send you photos. You'll see I loved your stories.

We have a whole I'm gonna send you photos. You'll see I loved your stories.

Okay, let's do let's do a quick rapid fire and then we'll we'll Yeah, he was more competitive.

Okay, let's do let's do a quick rapid fire and then we'll we'll Yeah, he was more competitive.

Way more competitive, way not even wait.

Way more competitive, way not even wait.

What are your astrological signs Capricorn.

What are your astrological signs Capricorn.

You obvious? What do you think he knows it?

You obvious? What do you think he knows it?

Hold, he's a virgo?

Hold, he's a virgo?

Are you you're a Sagittarius Libra libra.

Are you you're a Sagittarius Libra libra.

I was gonna say.

I was gonna say.

Yes, Libra libra.

Yes, Libra libra.

Interesting time for libras in these next couple of years.

Interesting time for libras in these next couple of years.

I'm a virgo, but apparently my charts is a more libra than virgo. I I appreciate you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Kindred. Yeah.

I'm a virgo, but apparently my charts is a more libra than virgo. I I appreciate you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Kindred. Yeah.

Who got in more trouble as kids?

Who got in more trouble as kids?

Absolutely? Absolutely?

Absolutely? Absolutely?

Jesus, this is over.

Jesus, this is over.

Actually, if I'm honest, neither of us did.

Actually, if I'm honest, neither of us did.

We mostly good.

We mostly good.

My mom worked all the time. So how do you get in trouble?

My mom worked all the time. So how do you get in trouble?

Yeahs with our you know, just any canny and cheese every night.

Yeahs with our you know, just any canny and cheese every night.

And yeah, he came out.

And yeah, he came out.

And played basketball in the backyard with all his buddies every night. I had a best friend who you know, whose mom was never around. So the trouble my mom never knew about.

And played basketball in the backyard with all his buddies every night. I had a best friend who you know, whose mom was never around. So the trouble my mom never knew about.

And uh, you know, after I became governor, we commuted her six yearsmore.

And uh, you know, after I became governor, we commuted her six yearsmore.

Which parents like, It's like in our family sometimes we're like, Okay, who who are the kids most like? In terms of the parents, Like who and your parents of your mom or dad?

Which parents like, It's like in our family sometimes we're like, Okay, who who are the kids most like? In terms of the parents, Like who and your parents of your mom or dad?

Are you most like this?

Are you most like this?

Is such a long story that we don't have time for. But my brother was told by my mom our whole childhood, Gavin's just like me, Hillary's just like Bill.

Is such a long story that we don't have time for. But my brother was told by my mom our whole childhood, Gavin's just like me, Hillary's just like Bill.

And my father is.

And my father is.

A gregarious, intelligent, intellectual, beloved man. So I think my and my mom would say, I'm shy and have no friends. So and he had dyslex Yes, we had a lot of stuff.

A gregarious, intelligent, intellectual, beloved man. So I think my and my mom would say, I'm shy and have no friends. So and he had dyslex Yes, we had a lot of stuff.

I was Legitimately I'm still.

I was Legitimately I'm still.

A shy guy, which which is ironic.

A shy guy, which which is ironic.

But the interesting thing is he heard that and said I'm not going to own that, and he really didn't. And now he's the orator and the intellect and you know, and it's really fascinating how he I watched him hear her, and I could tell that he was feeling like, no, don't don't label me.

But the interesting thing is he heard that and said I'm not going to own that, and he really didn't. And now he's the orator and the intellect and you know, and it's really fascinating how he I watched him hear her, and I could tell that he was feeling like, no, don't don't label me.

So anyhow, who is who?

So anyhow, who is who?

What about your first celebrity crush when you were little?

What about your first celebrity crush when you were little?

Oh?

Oh?

Who's Yeah?

Who's Yeah?

Who had to be one of the Hardy Boys?

Who had to be one of the Hardy Boys?

They're fake?

They're fake?

No, not the Hardy Boys.

No, not the Hardy Boys.

But who are the guys that the TV show that looked like the Hardy Boys? Jesus, I make it back to you, Mark Hamlin or something.

But who are the guys that the TV show that looked like the Hardy Boys? Jesus, I make it back to you, Mark Hamlin or something.

I don't know, I know.

I don't know, I know.

You love you love that guy with the you.

You love you love that guy with the you.

Know, oh Sean jack.

Know, oh Sean jack.

Good one say anything, say anything?

Good one say anything, say anything?

Oh my god, Look I'm sorry you met him. You didn't know I.

Oh my god, Look I'm sorry you met him. You didn't know I.

Spent them with elon to anything.

Spent them with elon to anything.

Yeah, that's a that's.

Yeah, that's a that's.

A I get a stalker.

A I get a stalker.

Get any going against Gavin's is probably like Rebecca Morne, what's from the Brunette from Phobe Kate's.

Get any going against Gavin's is probably like Rebecca Morne, what's from the Brunette from Phobe Kate's.

No Man No That from Charlie's Angels back in the Day Kate Show, Jacqueline Smith know the other one?

No Man No That from Charlie's Angels back in the Day Kate Show, Jacqueline Smith know the other one?

Kate Capture keep the other one?

Kate Capture keep the other one?

H three?

H three?

Yeah, it was.

Yeah, it was.

He was going to say, he was going to say, and I couldn't easily, said Kurt Russell. But I thought that would make you love super uncomfortable.

He was going to say, he was going to say, and I couldn't easily, said Kurt Russell. But I thought that would make you love super uncomfortable.

Very what what is what's her? The third? The third Angel?

Very what what is what's her? The third? The third Angel?

Keith Smith?

Keith Smith?

It's something what's no respect for?

It's something what's no respect for?

I don't.

I don't.

Yeah, Ky Jackson, I.

Yeah, Ky Jackson, I.

Didn't even have to pay the podcast.

Didn't even have to pay the podcast.

I was about to I was about to go in, Kate Jackson.

I was about to I was about to go in, Kate Jackson.

Kate asked the final ask, the final question.

Kate asked the final ask, the final question.

The final question is this is for both of you, two parter.

The final question is this is for both of you, two parter.

What is the one thing that you admire the most about your sibling that would be something that you would love to emulate that you had more of And then the other part of that question is what is the thing that you wish you could alleviate so that they could have a calmer sense of self or you would think would be more optimal for them.

What is the one thing that you admire the most about your sibling that would be something that you would love to emulate that you had more of And then the other part of that question is what is the thing that you wish you could alleviate so that they could have a calmer sense of self or you would think would be more optimal for them.

Well, I'll quickly take that. I think Hillary implied it. I mean, she's she's taken up the vast majority of the of the burden of our parents, both passing and the impact that's had on our kids and just our lives generally, and and just from just even the technical logistics associated, but also the emotional side of it, and being there for both our parents in an emotional way and a consistent way throughout their struggles and ultimately.

Well, I'll quickly take that. I think Hillary implied it. I mean, she's she's taken up the vast majority of the of the burden of our parents, both passing and the impact that's had on our kids and just our lives generally, and and just from just even the technical logistics associated, but also the emotional side of it, and being there for both our parents in an emotional way and a consistent way throughout their struggles and ultimately.

Their lives.

Their lives.

And so that that I always admired. And that's also what I admire most about Hillary is there's a deep empathy and care and compassion and a commitment to other people. She wasn't when she says that. I know, I was thinking, people just roll their eyes. Oh yeah, I care. Our most important I said, is our people when Hillary said that about the company. But it's like no bullshit with her, It's like her obsession and but it's like our friends and her family. Even when she's got a lousy brother that's just too focused on his election or something. She still gives damn. And when you screw up, she's like, you fuck an asshole. You get your shit together out of your back. And or when you think everything's gone great, she goes, you ain't all that you. Uh, I saw a little piece of shit that's good.

And so that that I always admired. And that's also what I admire most about Hillary is there's a deep empathy and care and compassion and a commitment to other people. She wasn't when she says that. I know, I was thinking, people just roll their eyes. Oh yeah, I care. Our most important I said, is our people when Hillary said that about the company. But it's like no bullshit with her, It's like her obsession and but it's like our friends and her family. Even when she's got a lousy brother that's just too focused on his election or something. She still gives damn. And when you screw up, she's like, you fuck an asshole. You get your shit together out of your back. And or when you think everything's gone great, she goes, you ain't all that you. Uh, I saw a little piece of shit that's good.

Put you in check. Yeah, so you know. So I think you know.

Put you in check. Yeah, so you know. So I think you know.

Both those are you know, different size of the same coin.

Both those are you know, different size of the same coin.

I think I think it's a wrap.

I think I think it's a wrap.

I would say that if I what I would like to lessen the burden is the hate. It just it breaks my heart the hate because I know and everybody. It's so interesting because we I have a several Republican friends that said, if Gavin's anything like you, then I'm gonna like him. And I just want people to know him because to know him is to respect him and to like him, whether you like his politics or not. And so that's really been something that it breaks my heart for him, for his kids, for his wife, and just knowing that he knowing who he is is authentically and where he comes from, and that breaks my heart that the world can't be a kinder, gentler place. And I feel like there's a you know, a few years ago we unleashed a lot of hate, and I wish we could put everything back in a little box.

I would say that if I what I would like to lessen the burden is the hate. It just it breaks my heart the hate because I know and everybody. It's so interesting because we I have a several Republican friends that said, if Gavin's anything like you, then I'm gonna like him. And I just want people to know him because to know him is to respect him and to like him, whether you like his politics or not. And so that's really been something that it breaks my heart for him, for his kids, for his wife, and just knowing that he knowing who he is is authentically and where he comes from, and that breaks my heart that the world can't be a kinder, gentler place. And I feel like there's a you know, a few years ago we unleashed a lot of hate, and I wish we could put everything back in a little box.

But that I would take away from him if I could.

But that I would take away from him if I could.

And what I admire most about him is his work ethic.

And what I admire most about him is his work ethic.

You know, you asked who is more competitive.

You know, you asked who is more competitive.

I told you that I only take away the seventh place ribbons, so as you can imagine, the competition's not my jam.

I told you that I only take away the seventh place ribbons, so as you can imagine, the competition's not my jam.

And I do like you, Oliver.

And I do like you, Oliver.

I really like to be loved authentically, and I try really hard to be such a good person in order to achieve that.

I really like to be loved authentically, and I try really hard to be such a good person in order to achieve that.

But for me, Gavin's relentless.

But for me, Gavin's relentless.

He is studious, he is he does not take shortcuts, and that's.

He is studious, he is he does not take shortcuts, and that's.

Really really hard, and that's exhausting, and that's a humongous sacrifice. And I am not always willing to make the sacrifice in the same way he does. And I'm so proud of him for that. And that's I think My parents weren't that way. They were real incredible people and m passed and philanthropists, et cetera. But and my mom worked hard because she had to. He does it because he wants to and to make a difference, and that I admire the most. About him and his evolution as a father that I didn't see coming.

Really really hard, and that's exhausting, and that's a humongous sacrifice. And I am not always willing to make the sacrifice in the same way he does. And I'm so proud of him for that. And that's I think My parents weren't that way. They were real incredible people and m passed and philanthropists, et cetera. But and my mom worked hard because she had to. He does it because he wants to and to make a difference, and that I admire the most. About him and his evolution as a father that I didn't see coming.

Oh great, that's awesome, that's amazing. I mean, that's my number one priority. It's it's so true. It's like intention matters so much. I mean, not in politics anymore, because if you don't, if you don't go one way and you're not part of that crew, you're fucking hated now, which is so intense. You know, it's like the intentions are to make everything great or to do to do the best for the people. That's the intention. Now, if you don't agree with the way that I'm doing, okay, that's that's okay, I don't agree with it. But now it's like fuck you. I mean, it's it's it's just crazy. I mean it's Kate. Kate is just like fuck you all the time.

Oh great, that's awesome, that's amazing. I mean, that's my number one priority. It's it's so true. It's like intention matters so much. I mean, not in politics anymore, because if you don't, if you don't go one way and you're not part of that crew, you're fucking hated now, which is so intense. You know, it's like the intentions are to make everything great or to do to do the best for the people. That's the intention. Now, if you don't agree with the way that I'm doing, okay, that's that's okay, I don't agree with it. But now it's like fuck you. I mean, it's it's it's just crazy. I mean it's Kate. Kate is just like fuck you all the time.

It's you know, diplomacy goes a long way, and like, you know, there's something that yeah, I guess we do miss that sort of healthy debate.

It's you know, diplomacy goes a long way, and like, you know, there's something that yeah, I guess we do miss that sort of healthy debate.

We grew up.

We grew up.

Kurt loved to do healthy debates, and so he would give us a side even if we didn't agree nice and he'd say, okay, you're you know, this is.

Kurt loved to do healthy debates, and so he would give us a side even if we didn't agree nice and he'd say, okay, you're you know, this is.

Who you're going to be today. Kate and you know, Boston, this is who you're going to be.

Who you're going to be today. Kate and you know, Boston, this is who you're going to be.

And then we'd have these big debates even if we didn't agree, just to understand what it is to like actually be able to debate something and talk about it and then still love each other.

And then we'd have these big debates even if we didn't agree, just to understand what it is to like actually be able to debate something and talk about it and then still love each other.

Well we've gone. We've gone completely. We've gone completely away from what this whole experiment was supposed to be, which is two parties, different ideas coming together for a solution, you know, where you can debate and scream at each other. And then Adams and Jefferson, you know our homies. You know, they'll go have cocktails if they had cocktails back then, but they'd need they went had meed, you know. Or in Washington they debate in the aisles and yelled each other and go have whiskeys. And there was a there was a moment, and it just seems to be gone. It feels like it's never going to come back. It's what it feels like anyway. But forget about this for a second. I want to real quick. Then we're out your podcast with fucking Marshawn Lynch, who I'm a huge football fan. Beast a beast mode, I mean, give us a give us a give us a thing on politics.

Well we've gone. We've gone completely. We've gone completely away from what this whole experiment was supposed to be, which is two parties, different ideas coming together for a solution, you know, where you can debate and scream at each other. And then Adams and Jefferson, you know our homies. You know, they'll go have cocktails if they had cocktails back then, but they'd need they went had meed, you know. Or in Washington they debate in the aisles and yelled each other and go have whiskeys. And there was a there was a moment, and it just seems to be gone. It feels like it's never going to come back. It's what it feels like anyway. But forget about this for a second. I want to real quick. Then we're out your podcast with fucking Marshawn Lynch, who I'm a huge football fan. Beast a beast mode, I mean, give us a give us a give us a thing on politics.

A natural pairing, you know, yeah.

A natural pairing, you know, yeah.

I mean governor, how do you know?

I mean governor, how do you know?

Marsh On obviously even asked that's he's an old but so our our our co anchor or so to speak on the podcast. This guy Doug Hendrickson is one of my oldest friends. And Doug's been his agent forever. And so I've been, you know, steeped in all things NFL, it seems for twenty years, and uh been spending a lot of time uh in in in NFL camps and getting to know a lot of players. And one of those special guys was Marshawn and started as as supervisor and mayor, working with him on his foundation in Oakland. I'm like, damn, this guy's the real deal and you know, a bunch of inner city kids and always having their back, and he was surprised I kept coming back as mayor and I wasn't just some dude in a suit, you know, and just you know, because he's not a trustworthy guy.

Marsh On obviously even asked that's he's an old but so our our our co anchor or so to speak on the podcast. This guy Doug Hendrickson is one of my oldest friends. And Doug's been his agent forever. And so I've been, you know, steeped in all things NFL, it seems for twenty years, and uh been spending a lot of time uh in in in NFL camps and getting to know a lot of players. And one of those special guys was Marshawn and started as as supervisor and mayor, working with him on his foundation in Oakland. I'm like, damn, this guy's the real deal and you know, a bunch of inner city kids and always having their back, and he was surprised I kept coming back as mayor and I wasn't just some dude in a suit, you know, and just you know, because he's not a trustworthy guy.

Necessary he doesn't have trust yeah exactly.

Necessary he doesn't have trust yeah exactly.

Man, when he you know, and then he's like, no one will have your back, like he'll have your back when you break through. And so we were bsing about everything and everything you just said, Man, where we want to put a crowbar in the spokes the wheel of everybody else? Everyone's pissed off zero some game. I'll get mine scarcity mindset. And we're like, man, enough of this, and can we talk We can we not talk about politics, but can we politic? And he can we just like bullshit? And can we have conversations that everybody else is happening but not through such a sort of extreme ideological legs and and just sort of see where it goes. And so we've been having fun man, and just crazy different weird guests and traditional guests and and it's your guess is as good as mine where the hell it's going to go? But politicans been a lot.

Man, when he you know, and then he's like, no one will have your back, like he'll have your back when you break through. And so we were bsing about everything and everything you just said, Man, where we want to put a crowbar in the spokes the wheel of everybody else? Everyone's pissed off zero some game. I'll get mine scarcity mindset. And we're like, man, enough of this, and can we talk We can we not talk about politics, but can we politic? And he can we just like bullshit? And can we have conversations that everybody else is happening but not through such a sort of extreme ideological legs and and just sort of see where it goes. And so we've been having fun man, and just crazy different weird guests and traditional guests and and it's your guess is as good as mine where the hell it's going to go? But politicans been a lot.

Well, I'm throwing my hat in the ring. I want to come on. I want to meet you, to know your damn fans. So you can ask me anything too. I'll say, I'll tell secrets about my entire family.

Well, I'm throwing my hat in the ring. I want to come on. I want to meet you, to know your damn fans. So you can ask me anything too. I'll say, I'll tell secrets about my entire family.

So you're going to bring all those photos.

So you're going to bring all those photos.

Man, we talked about, we don't want you spending Christmas.

Man, we talked about, we don't want you spending Christmas.

You don't know, he won't I'll be I'll be the one. I will do all the bad things and somehow I won't be invited.

You don't know, he won't I'll be I'll be the one. I will do all the bad things and somehow I won't be invited.

That's right, that's true.

That's right, that's true.

We need to unpack that.

We need to unpack that.

Next time.

Next time.

Well, I thank you so much. It's being honor Governor Hillary.

Well, I thank you so much. It's being honor Governor Hillary.

Thinking, Hey guys, it's been awesome. Yeah, and get my number if you want advice or if you need direction.

Thinking, Hey guys, it's been awesome. Yeah, and get my number if you want advice or if you need direction.

I know you're you're you're you're lining up to be the forty what number of forty you're like, whatever, be the forty first governor.

I know you're you're you're you're lining up to be the forty what number of forty you're like, whatever, be the forty first governor.

Yeah, I mean if you if you wake up and then nine, you're like, oh, ship, what do I do about this? You know there's a homeless whatever, just call me, you figure it out, you figure out.

Yeah, I mean if you if you wake up and then nine, you're like, oh, ship, what do I do about this? You know there's a homeless whatever, just call me, you figure it out, you figure out.

He calls me first, but he'll call you now.

He calls me first, but he'll call you now.

Figure problem sol.

Figure problem sol.

Yeah, been solving every problem. Yeah, thank you.

Yeah, been solving every problem. Yeah, thank you.

That was awesome, so fun.

That was awesome, so fun.

I think we should do more political conversations. I love it.

I think we should do more political conversations. I love it.

I want to do like a part ten. I mean, there's so much I want to do.

I want to do like a part ten. I mean, there's so much I want to do.

I want it. This makes me want to do so many different people.

I want it. This makes me want to do so many different people.

Oh my god, I mean I want you know what I kept thinking when I was listening, I remember watching Gavin I'm terrible Governor, Governor Knewsom. I know, but I feel weird saying Gavin's every time I say, I'm like Kevin Gavin governor.

Oh my god, I mean I want you know what I kept thinking when I was listening, I remember watching Gavin I'm terrible Governor, Governor Knewsom. I know, but I feel weird saying Gavin's every time I say, I'm like Kevin Gavin governor.

Dude, I'm like, what's up the opposite?

Dude, I'm like, what's up the opposite?

No, No, here's my thing. I I feel like it's.

No, No, here's my thing. I I feel like it's.

We're actually kind of perfect people to talk about politics because we don't.

We're actually kind of perfect people to talk about politics because we don't.

We were not really very like political politically.

We were not really very like political politically.

I mean, look, we have our points of view, obviously, like everybody who cares a about your community, you know, we have own personal points of view. But to actually speak to someone, you know, with especially with a sibling, which is very interesting. Yeah, you see a different dynamic with them when they're when they're with their sibling.

I mean, look, we have our points of view, obviously, like everybody who cares a about your community, you know, we have own personal points of view. But to actually speak to someone, you know, with especially with a sibling, which is very interesting. Yeah, you see a different dynamic with them when they're when they're with their sibling.

She's amazing. You can almost tell that, like she is sort of the roots. There's a foundation to her that you know, keeps him accountable in a strange way, or she shepherded him in a strength, you know what I mean, like.

She's amazing. You can almost tell that, like she is sort of the roots. There's a foundation to her that you know, keeps him accountable in a strange way, or she shepherded him in a strength, you know what I mean, like.

Women.

Women.

She's strong. She's strong. You can tell us she's strong. To be friends with them so so fun.

She's strong. She's strong. You can tell us she's strong. To be friends with them so so fun.

So I feel like the point of politicians is we probably would want to be friends with all of them. Yes, they wouldn't get into politics.

So I feel like the point of politicians is we probably would want to be friends with all of them. Yes, they wouldn't get into politics.

And it was probably a great fucking time. Donald Trump, I'm sure Trump is. We have so much fun, you know, forget about his politics and forget about like whatever. Like if we were like, you know, hanging out, probably fun.

And it was probably a great fucking time. Donald Trump, I'm sure Trump is. We have so much fun, you know, forget about his politics and forget about like whatever. Like if we were like, you know, hanging out, probably fun.

I mean I look I kind of like everybody, you know, so I can have fun anywhere.

I mean I look I kind of like everybody, you know, so I can have fun anywhere.

Yeah, me too, I can too.

Yeah, me too, I can too.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It wasn't that like the the the UFC had to blast of course, you know, I said energy because I was like, I wasn't I It was a lot of.

It wasn't that like the the the UFC had to blast of course, you know, I said energy because I was like, I wasn't I It was a lot of.

Fun, a lot of people there.

Fun, a lot of people there.

I love UFC.

I love UFC.

I was.

I was.

I saw them across the way. I'm like, they look like they're having a great human beings, like, you know, I don't know, well wait, wait, I want to hold on.

I saw them across the way. I'm like, they look like they're having a great human beings, like, you know, I don't know, well wait, wait, I want to hold on.

I want to say something. But I didn't ask him, which was really interesting. I remember watching remember when you know, this was before we didn't know what was going to happen with Biden, but Governor knew some It sort of looked like he was kicking off to be what would have been the next candidate Democrats at Canada. And he did a debate on Hannity with uh Governor dissent, and I forgot to ask. I remember watching it and thinking, I think Sean Hannity really likes Governor like I felt like because he was talking about, you know, a crop by you know, but you sort of bipartisan, you know, being able to move across the aisle and really get things done. And I remember watching Sean Hannity with him, and I felt like they actually had a really nice rapport. I was like, I bet they're friends, and I wanted to ask him question and I because I do think there is there are some people who are able to do that where it's not like it doesn't have to turn into some big, kind of heated, polarizing hat that they actually can have healthy debate.