About the Guest(s):

Donna Hanlon: Donna is an experienced advocate for women who have gone through complex marital challenges, specifically related to mixed orientation marriages. She utilizes her insights and experiences to lead initiatives like Divorce Care in her church, providing support to those navigating divorce within conservative communities.

Karen Bieman: Karen Bieman is a counselor and coach focusing on the experiences of straight spouses in mixed orientation marriages. She founded "Not My Closet", a support service dedicated to helping people cope with the revelation of a partner's hidden sexual orientation. Karen's work is influenced by her personal experience, driving her empathetic and specialized approach.

Episode Summary:

In this revealing episode, Jenni Woodhouse and Janet Evans sit down with Donna Hanlon and Karen Bieman, who bravely explore the intricate and often painful dynamics of mixed orientation marriages. Donna shares her personal story of being blindsided by her ex-husband's coming out as gay after 27 years of marriage, while Karen provides a counselor's perspective, offering understanding and guidance for others in similar situations. The discussion unfolds with a deep dive into the emotional and social impacts these revelations have on families, particularly in conservative or faith-based communities.

As the conversation progresses, the focus shifts to the psychological and social aspects of these unique marital challenges. The episode emphasizes how these hidden truths can deeply affect self-worth and family dynamics, highlighting the vital need for networks and resources tailored to these issues. Karen introduces her organization "Not My Closet" as a beacon of support, emphasizing the importance of empathy and targeted counseling. This episode is rich with insights, making it a must-listen for listeners interested in understanding the complexities and emotional nuances faced by those in mixed orientation marriages.

Key Takeaways:
Emotional Betrayal: Discovering a spouse's hidden sexual orientation can undermine trust and alter the perceived history of a relationship, leading to complex emotional fallout.
Support Networks: Both personal friends and specialized groups like "Not My Closet" provide crucial support and validation for those processing mixed orientation marriage revelations.
Children's Impact: The experiences of children in these situations are complex, often dealing with betrayed trust and family dynamics reshaping their perceptions.
Healing and Identity: Reclaiming personal identity and self-worth is essential for those recovering from the discovery of a partner's concealed orientation, requiring deep emotional work.
Counseling and Resources: Access to understanding and empathetic counseling is critical in providing necessary support and perspective to navigate these challenging revelations.

Notable Quotes:
"It just feels like a huge scam, you know, I was just… Our marriage was doomed from the start." - Donna Hanlon
"This is not your closet… It never should have been." - Karen Bieman
"There's something really beautiful about being in the room together." - Karen Bieman
"It takes such a battering to our self-worth, our sense of who we are." - Karen Bieman
"You're not allowed to be angry at someone for being gay… But you're angry at them for hiding it from you and using you." - Karen Bieman

Resources:
Not My Closet: notmycloset.com
Our Path: Global network for those in mixed orientation relationships.
Karen Bieman's Email: Available through her website for those seeking support or further information.

Listen in to fully explore these important conversations and gain a deeper understanding of the personal and emotional journeys tackled by those affected. Stay tuned for more illuminating content in upcoming episodes.

About the Guest(s):
Donna Hanlon: Donna is an experienced advocate for women who have gone through complex marital challenges, specifically related to mixed orientation marriages. She utilizes her insights and experiences to lead initiatives like Divorce Care in her church, providing support to those navigating divorce within conservative communities.
Karen Bieman: Karen Bieman is a counselor and coach focusing on the experiences of straight spouses in mixed orientation marriages. She founded "Not My Closet", a support service dedicated to helping people cope with the revelation of a partner's hidden sexual orientation. Karen's work is influenced by her personal experience, driving her empathetic and specialized approach.
Episode Summary:
In this revealing episode, Jenni Woodhouse and Janet Evans sit down with Donna Hanlon and Karen Bieman, who bravely explore the intricate and often painful dynamics of mixed orientation marriages. Donna shares her personal story of being blindsided by her ex-husband's coming out as gay after 27 years of marriage, while Karen provides a counselor's perspective, offering understanding and guidance for others in similar situations. The discussion unfolds with a deep dive into the emotional and social impacts these revelations have on families, particularly in conservative or faith-based communities.
As the conversation progresses, the focus shifts to the psychological and social aspects of these unique marital challenges. The episode emphasizes how these hidden truths can deeply affect self-worth and family dynamics, highlighting the vital need for networks and resources tailored to these issues. Karen introduces her organization "Not My Closet" as a beacon of support, emphasizing the importance of empathy and targeted counseling. This episode is rich with insights, making it a must-listen for listeners interested in understanding the complexities and emotional nuances faced by those in mixed orientation marriages.
Key Takeaways:
<ul>
<li>Emotional Betrayal: Discovering a spouse's hidden sexual orientation can undermine trust and alter the perceived history of a relationship, leading to complex emotional fallout.</li>
<li>Support Networks: Both personal friends and specialized groups like "Not My Closet" provide crucial support and validation for those processing mixed orientation marriage revelations.</li>
<li>Children's Impact: The experiences of children in these situations are complex, often dealing with betrayed trust and family dynamics reshaping their perceptions.</li>
<li>Healing and Identity: Reclaiming personal identity and self-worth is essential for those recovering from the discovery of a partner's concealed orientation, requiring deep emotional work.</li>
<li>Counseling and Resources: Access to understanding and empathetic counseling is critical in providing necessary support and perspective to navigate these challenging revelations.</li>
</ul>
Notable Quotes:
<ul>
<li>"It just feels like a huge scam, you know, I was just&hellip; Our marriage was doomed from the start." - Donna Hanlon</li>
<li>"This is not your closet&hellip; It never should have been." - Karen Bieman</li>
<li>"There's something really beautiful about being in the room together." - Karen Bieman</li>
<li>"It takes such a battering to our self-worth, our sense of who we are." - Karen Bieman</li>
<li>"You're not allowed to be angry at someone for being gay&hellip; But you're angry at them for hiding it from you and using you." - Karen Bieman</li>
</ul>
Resources:
<ul>
<li>Not My Closet: <a href="http://notmycloset.com/">notmycloset.com</a></li>
<li>Our Path: Global network for those in mixed orientation relationships.</li>
<li>Karen Bieman's Email: Available through her website for those seeking support or further information.</li>
</ul>
Listen in to fully explore these important conversations and gain a deeper understanding of the personal and emotional journeys tackled by those affected. Stay tuned for more illuminating content in upcoming episodes.

She Wasn’t Born Yesterday tackles the many unique issues affecting women who are 40+ fabulous.

“Nothing’s off limits and we dive headfirst into topics from homelessness to women using porn, true crime obsession and life after divorce and DV,” says Janet. “We think women (and hopefully guys too) will resonate. 

She Wasn’t Born Yesterday is available on the Hope 103.2 app and major podcast platforms.

Listen to more from our Hope Podcasts collection at hopepodcasts.com.au. And send the team a message via Hope 103.2’s app, Facebook or Instagram.

She Wasn’t Born Yesterday tackles the many unique issues affecting women who are 40+ fabulous.
“Nothing’s off limits and we dive headfirst into topics from homelessness to women using porn, true crime obsession and life after divorce and DV,” says Janet. “We think women (and hopefully guys too) will resonate. 
She Wasn’t Born Yesterday is available on the <a href="https://hope1032.com.au/listen/#apps">Hope 103.2 app</a> and major podcast platforms.
Listen to more from our Hope Podcasts collection at <a href="http://www.hopepodcasts.com.au/">hopepodcasts.com.au</a>. And send the team a message via <a href="https://hope1032.com.au/listen/#apps">Hope 103.2’s app</a>, <a href="https://www.facebook.com/Hope103.2">Facebook</a> or <a href="https://www.instagram.com/sydneyshope1032/">Instagram</a>.

She Wasn’t Born Yesterday tackles the many unique issues affecting women who are 40+ fabulous. No topic is too controversial!

She Wasn't Born Yesterday

How do you deal with the ‘pause’? How do you know you’re dating someone with a narcissistic personality disorder? How do you move on from divorce? Behind the scenes of a 40+ influencer and how to reverse the aging process, are just a few topics tackled.

SWBY features Janet Evans, a senior advertising creative and Jenni Woodhouse, a semi retired social worker. A chance interview on radio station Hope 103.2 about the book inspired the podcast.

“So many unique issues affect women of our age, including empty nest syndrome, and nothing’s off limits in SWBY! We really dive headfirst into them, but hopefully with lightness and relevant wit where possible,” Janet commented. “We were incredibly lucky to chat to some very high profile guests, including CEOs of important organisations, who shared their expertise with us and our audience.”

 

Listen to more from our Hope Podcasts collection at hopepodcasts.com.au. And send the team a message via Hope 103.2’s app, Facebook or Instagram.

How do you deal with the &lsquo;pause&rsquo;? How do you know you&rsquo;re dating someone with a narcissistic personality disorder? How do you move on from divorce? Behind the scenes of a 40+ influencer and how to reverse the aging process, are just a few topics tackled.
SWBY features Janet Evans, a senior advertising creative and Jenni Woodhouse, a semi retired social worker. A chance interview on radio station Hope 103.2 about the book inspired the podcast.
&ldquo;So many unique issues affect women of our age, including empty nest syndrome, and nothing&rsquo;s off limits in SWBY! We really dive headfirst into them, but hopefully with lightness and relevant wit where possible,&rdquo; Janet commented. &ldquo;We were incredibly lucky to chat to some very high profile guests, including CEOs of important organisations, who shared their expertise with us and our audience.&rdquo;
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Listen to more from our Hope Podcasts collection at hopepodcasts.com.au. And send the team a message via Hope 103.2&rsquo;s app, Facebook or Instagram.