For 90 years, animal testing was the gold standard in drug development. But now the data is in: it doesn’t work. In this episode, Wayne Pacelle, President of Animal Wellness Action, explains why the U.S. just ended primate testing at the CDC — and how AI, ethics, and real science are rewriting the rules.

Wayne shares how primates, including ASL-trained chimps like Nim Chimpsky, helped change public perception — and why outdated 1930s testing laws are finally being overturned. He also touches on the surprising bipartisan support behind this change, and how zoos are evolving into unlikely allies for animal welfare.

A deeply human conversation about how progress actually happens.

GUEST:
 Wayne Pacelle
@waynepacelle, waynepacelle.com

Originally aired on 2025-12-09

For 90 years, animal testing was the gold standard in drug development. But now the data is in: it doesn&rsquo;t work. In this episode, Wayne Pacelle, President of Animal Wellness Action, explains why the U.S. just ended primate testing at the CDC &mdash; and how AI, ethics, and real science are rewriting the rules.
Wayne shares how primates, including ASL-trained chimps like Nim Chimpsky, helped change public perception &mdash; and why outdated 1930s testing laws are finally being overturned. He also touches on the surprising bipartisan support behind this change, and how zoos are evolving into unlikely allies for animal welfare.
A deeply human conversation about how progress actually happens.
GUEST: Wayne Pacelle @waynepacelle, waynepacelle.com
Originally aired on&nbsp;2025-12-09

Shane Hewitt & The Nightshift is your late-night companion for real talk, bold ideas, and unfiltered conversations that matter. Hosted by Canadian radio veteran Shane Hewitt, each episode dives into the headlines, human stories, and hidden truths shaping our world—always with curiosity, compassion, and a sharp edge.

From politics and pop culture to mental health, technology, and everyday life, this podcast is where night owls, deep thinkers, and curious minds come to connect. Featuring expert guests, passionate callers, and Shane’s signature style—thoughtful, fearless, and refreshingly real.

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Shane Hewitt &amp; The Nightshift is your late-night companion for real talk, bold ideas, and unfiltered conversations that matter. Hosted by Canadian radio veteran Shane Hewitt, each episode dives into the headlines, human stories, and hidden truths shaping our world&mdash;always with curiosity, compassion, and a sharp edge.
From politics and pop culture to mental health, technology, and everyday life, this podcast is where night owls, deep thinkers, and curious minds come to connect. Featuring expert guests, passionate callers, and Shane&rsquo;s signature style&mdash;thoughtful, fearless, and refreshingly real.
If you crave meaningful dialogue, smart perspectives, and late-night radio energy in podcast form, subscribe now and join The Nightshift.

Shane Hewitt and The Nightshift

Shane Hewitt is known for his engaging and relatable on-air personality, which captivates listeners. His ability to blend insightful commentary with humour and empathy creates a genuine connection with listeners.  Shane Hewitt and the Night Shift provides relatable content, informative discussions and expert insights – along with a balance of anecdotes and entertainment.

Shane Hewitt is known for his engaging and relatable on-air personality, which captivates listeners. His ability to blend insightful commentary with humour and empathy creates a genuine connection with listeners.  Shane Hewitt and the Night Shift provides relatable content, informative discussions and expert insights – along with a balance of anecdotes and entertainment.