Some of our favorite housewives from DWTS are in the news so we brought in the big guns as Cheryl is joined once again by People’s Senior Editor and NY Times best selling author Dave Quinn. We jump right in on Teresa Giudice’s photoshopping and Lisa Rinna’s new look, AND, we are talking Simone Biles, Nicole Scherzinger, Harry Jowsey (yes again), the premiere date of DWTS’s new season and so many more hot topics out of our little universe this week. It’s a jam packed show not to miss!
This is Sex Lies and Spray Tans with Me, Cheryl Burke and iHeartRadio Podcast. We're back right here on sex Lines and Spray Tans and ready to kickstart our first episode since our holiday break with Dave Quinn as he is back and co hosting your favorite dancing podcast with yours truly, the one and only. Dave Quinn a senior editor for People working across a number of verticals, including the Entertainment, lifestyle and news teams. He is known for his Bravo and Broadway exclusives across print and digital. Considered to be a Housewives expert, Dave is the author of the number one New York Times best selling book Not All Diamonds and Rose, The inside story of the Real Housewives from the people who lived it. Please welcome back to the show, our friend, Dave Quinn. Let's get this party started. Dave, what's up? Welcome back. I'm so happy to be here, so dancing with the Stars. Finally there's a premier date. Can you believe it? Season thirty three thousand, come in your way?
You know what number is this?
Thirty three?
Thirty three?
Yeah, season thirty three anyway, the premiere date is Tuesday, September seventeenth. Are you excited about it?
I'm excited about it. You know, I always watch every year. I'm a big fan, and I thought last season was really great. I thought Jason Rantz killed it. I thought so she was amazing, Ariana. There was. There was a lot of great personalities and great dancers. So I'm excited to see what they bring in the mix. I'm sure there'll be a bachelor or a bachelorette in there.
I wonder if any of our like conspiracy theories are going to come to life. I just know this, Like I'm you know, the casting director has a hard job. Not only does she have to cast the whole show, but like celebrities drop out like quick on during this casting period because as soon as they have to sign this contract they start having you know, they're like, oh actually, And I just know that they have not only the actual, like their wish list of casts, but they also have backup plans just in case. And that's actually really scary for the pro dancers because I'm not going to mention any names, but I no last season, one of the pro dancers, they weren't even going to be asked back to join until one celebrity dropped out last minute and they replaced the celebrity.
Wow, oh that's crazy.
Yeah.
If you ever had an instance where they were like, you're going to be paired with this person.
And I had no partner before, like up until a week or five days prior to the premiere because they were waiting for him to sign the contract. I think it was William Levy season.
Have you ever had a partner that you thought you were going to have that disappeared that they dropped out?
Oh yeah, like my last season. I wasn't supposed to dance with Sam Champion, it.
Was supposed to be someone else.
Yeah, I want to know who's so badly? Did you watch Perfect Match?
I didn't watch Perfect Match. I'm behind to.
Say you what's wrong. I was just kidding, It's fine. I only watched the first half and then I was like, I can't anymore. I was giving my dog anxiety. I felt her energy. But anyway, are you a fan of Jess though? Do you know who Jess is?
Of course?
Yeah, yeah, I think she would be great on Dancing with the Stars.
You're right, I do think that she would be great on Dancing with the Stars.
Jess is basically confirming that she broke up with Harry just like hours before the whole media frenzy happened with them, like holding hands at a concert, them meeting Harry and Riley. I just wish. I mean, first of all, Jess is just too good for Harry in general, like I said this last week on this podcast, like don't look back, girl, But I swear if she would have met Riley, like I know she lives cross across the country, but like if she would have or if Harry would have made the effort to fly her in to meet Riley, she would have seen the dynamic and it was completely not what everyone thought it was.
Right, she would have noticed it right then and there.
But you can't hide that's not Harry. By the way, Harry could have done that. Also, I want to mention that in any beginning of any partnership, especially on Dancing with the Stars, even if you are attracted to each other or not, there's a honeymoon phase. Now, some people take the honeymoon phase away from the Dancing with the Stars studios and they take their partners to concerts and clubs and stuff like that because they're all excited about this new relationship, right. And I'm pretty sure I have never met Harry, but after watching him and seeing some of his interviews, pretty sure he was trying to flirt with O'Reilly in the beginning. I mean the beginning, like the first eight to fourteen days, because as soon as that honeymoon phase is over, which is very short lived on Dancing with the Stars, you start to see their true colors, and I'm so sorry. For the most part, the crush goes.
Away quick disappears.
Yeah, and I've had crushes that nothing developed more than just the crush for the first fourteen days and I was like, thank God, nothing happened.
You were like, well, I'll just a bullet. Well, we all have those situations, you know. They're called crushes for a reason. They crush you, yes, because they're all based on fake things, or not based on reality. They're based on a decision or a desire for something that really isn't there.
Right, And that's the thing with Dancing with the Starts. You're forced into this arranged friendship. Whatever you want to say, and you, like I said a million times, like you either like each other or you don't. And like I remember taking out some of my partners, like we would. I would go out to clubs if you didn't know a lot back in my heyday, seven nights a week and I'd go out. We would have fun. Paparazzi would like catch us. But then like two three weeks in, especially when the live show starts, none of that is happening, not even close.
I did theater in high school and college, and I always just view it as like theater kids, like theater kids, performers, dancers, everyone's always so touchy feely with one another. But at the end of the day.
It's nothing. But I also want to say too that, like I think Jess, I think what people think when it comes to their showmances is that the executives are telling us to continue the showmans away from the dance studio. And that has never happened, not with me at least. I have never been told, okay, so go out to the hottest club, get photographed, and maybe just hold each other's hand, you know, just so we can hopefully get some more ratings. Like that has never come out of anyone's mouth before, and if it did, or it does with anyone, I would be shocked. But Honestly, I think what Harry was trying to convince, just like at this time was that, oh, you know, we're just doing it for the show. It's like, that's not good. He's lying to you. That's a lie. There's no show. Is that you're not under contract to like continue this show man's away from the show even in the show. Like if it happens, it happens naturally, right, and you.
Could you could just not be around. You don't have to go to the clubs, you don't have to do.
Those things, right, You don't even have to be friends with this person.
No, not at all. Yeah, I know, And that's all deception. I think. Yeah, I think that she's better off without that. But I mean, especially if you break up with him that morning and then he's at a you know, like at a concert hours later, now, right, I.
Know, And then they did a TikTok, and like of course she was upset, like because there is a sense of respect there that they didn't he must have not thought.
About No, absolutely not. And I have to say, like anybody who does something like that, for me, that's a red flag for anyone in the future, Like I would just be like never again. With somebody like that.
First of all, she should have left him even like when he was kissing kissing the other girl, right, but then she gave him a second chance. Then be done.
Second chances never really work out, do they.
No, they don't. There you know, they're an X for a reason.
But I also think on paper, it's so much harder than when you're in the experience. You know that paper. I was always like, I would never go back with an X, and then the next thing I knew I was.
Back with an X, Like yeah, it's a comfort level.
And you always also think to yourself like, well, there's been significant changes and we were meant to be something.
Yeah, Charity Lawson, Okay, we're going to talk about Charity Rolls. The headline is Charity loss in Roll's eyes. Recalling criticism from Dancing with the Stars Judges end quotes became a lot and quote. Okay, So basically I remember this clearly. Last season she did get a lot of heat for not being emotional, like as far as showing her emotion through movement, and I there's I agree with both of them. Okay. So I think she's referring more to Carrie Inn because it was Carrie Inne that just kept repeating herself every week. I need to know detail so that I can actually work on what it is that you want from me with my celebrity. So when you say something so vague, like you I don't feel anything when you're dancing, or your emotion is just not authentic, Well, if you're saying this week after week, you're gonna have to give more detail here, because like they've tried hard, you know, like I can see that they've tried hard. She showed emotion week three, So in a way, she peaked too soon because when I saw her do her contemporary with artem it was chilling. It was freaking gorgeous. So look, and then when Charity says, you know, you didn't really get a chance to see my personality. No, because it's also an ensemble cast right one two, Like you could have shown it a little bit in the packages, but then also you don't have control over the edit, so it is what it is. I personally believe that the two Artam and Charity just didn't really have a lot of chemistry, and again, you just can't fake that.
But I've always wondered this because you know, you're standing up there. Obviously they're giving you that criticism. When the when the cameras go down, did the judges then come and fill you in more and more? No?
Absolutely nothing, no, no.
And I think that that was the hard thing is that I agree she was getting a lot of that early on, and I could imagine as she was saying, you know, she felt like it took her back to her cheerleader days and it just made her feel like they weren't understanding who.
She was a dance competition right, like she signed up for it, Like I don't know what she means so much. She's going to come on the podcast and we'll talk more in depth about it. I'm I mean I met her quickly once and it was just like we were at an event and I just saw her, but we never really got a chance to speak. She's a beautiful woman. There's so many ways of I guess too, it's the partner. Sometimes you feel safe to express the vulnerability and sometimes you don't. And I think that's what it was. Yeah, it does take two on the show now with Carrie Anne, if she could like this is the thing when she gives ballroom technique critique every judge needs to stay in their lane because like I don't think if she were to say, like emotion is great for her, Okay, she's the lyft like police. Okay, fine, and then like extension like or if there's a jazz routine or contemporary, but she's never ballroom danced. And same with Bruno. So when you're talking about technique, and this is what I saw in season three as I'm rewatching it, like you cannot say certain technical terms and and you're not able to show us what you mean or explaining what you're saying, because it really is a waste. Like we like to take these judges comments into consideration, We like to be able to work on it. But you have to give us more info, dude, Like you have to.
I also think it's really difficult for anybody. They've been rehearsing for a week. They are not trained dancers, they're not trained performers in this way. Right, she's a bachelorette, she's in that way or whatever it may be. Well she's trained, yeah, well that's but nonetheless, like you have to block out all of the cameras, all the audience and really just be there, be present. And that's the critique you need. It's like you need to work on blocking all of this out and being present with the person that you're with.
Thank you, it's like you have it's partner dancing. If Karriems would have just said, I also think she's hard on Artem because of their previous relationship, I'm just saying, so you.
Think that that she's a little more difficult on him because she knows she expects more from him.
And I think that she's also harder on women who have talent, like who are talented, and that she knows that can actually be better, but she needs to also be better when it comes to like what you like, exactly what you said. If she would have said, the camera, ignore the cameras. We're supposed to look into your movie with Artam, right, so just figure that out. Tell your story through movement with the person you're dancing with, not project out because Balram is not like projecting outwards. It's definitely more intimate. That's why we don't dance in big stadiums and stuff like that.
You know, yeah, it makes perfect sense. That's difficult. That sort of bias can be really challenging to see past. And now I feel like I'm going to watch all of her critiques thinking that about that a little bit more than I have in the past.
Yeah, I mean, like you just put yourself in this dancer or celebrity shoes and you're like, how can you take this information back with you or no?
Yeah, And do you think it's the job of the professional dancer to help the celebrity through that sort of situation? Like as Charity's talking about this, all I'm thinking is like, well, Arnam should have helped you so that you didn't have to really feel this way by explaining it to her a little bit more, by saying to her like, don't be so hard on yourself.
This is well I think he did, But then there she said carry us said this every week almost Yeah.
I know. Look, I mean sometimes they get that way. They really went after Jason this season for like mouthing the world.
I wish Artam would have spoken out live on television because then she would have had to explain herself. Yeah, but he would never do that.
But is there a fear from the professional dancers and the celebrities when you're getting that feedback that if you flap back to the judges, you're going to get a worse score.
So I'm doing these rewatches and we all did clap back, and especially the men, and I have to say, as a viewer, it's not I'm like, oh, but if it's appropriate then yes. Like I remember Ashley, she was dancing with Master p or somebody and they said something and she's like, it's American smooth, not standard like stuff like that. But then she got called out for it. Right, So but that was season one. Things have progressed, all right, But I like that stuff.
I even remember on Americans aims to do that all the time. An American iom used always be like arguing with them back and forth about arrangements or something like that. That's what I wanted. This is the process. Let's work through this exactly right. The audience in America sees it as somebody being difficult, then that's sort of the frustration is that sometimes when you watch these shows, and I've seen it with Dancing on the Star, obseen it with a lot of them, they sort of feel like a love fest, and you're kind of like.
Do you hate that or you like it?
I do hate it. I want to see you know. Competition is hard, and there's criticism and their strife and I want to.
See, Yes, you want to see the struggle.
Really figure it out, yeah, and not figure it out in these little packages where they're just like, you know, these weird cuts of I don't know if we're going to be able to do it. Oh, we're angry with each other, Like, let's really talk it through. Yeah, And then the format sometimes doesn't allow that to happen because it's you know, all positivity and plowing forward of Rara Rah.
But yeah, and it comes across fake, I think, not just not genuine.
Yeah, it comes across phony. And the people who are able to sort of I think, succeed through it are the people who still show a little bit of personality and fun in it. But even like so she last season, I think that she had injured herself twice, at least she.
Never said it. She never said it really off.
It missed Meal too, because I feel like she was afraid to say it because she didn't want to see weak and she didn't want to know. And that's frustrating because you're like, where's the reality. I know the reality is in there. Yeah, but again that was remember the strike was happening, and they could never say what project.
It was like, do I remember our whole star?
I was like, girl just saying doctor Strange in the multiverse of badness.
Yeah, like we're all freaking human. Like that's my honest advice to everyone.
Just be yourself, yes.
And let people just let them record the struggle. Don't be all crazy about it.
But this happens in reality TV all the time. I always say that, you know, I cover the Real Housewives really closely in all that world, and the fights that you see on the show are normally about the show, and they can't really say that. They're not angry that you didn't invite me to a party. They're angry that I'm being cut out of this episode because you didn't invite me to a party. They're angry about what the audience is going to perceive them to be. And that's all that is. Just that is such another character and another layer to this. And I watched Dances of the Stars, and I often think about out there trying to get the audience to like them, and that's almost too much.
Yeah, and you can feel it, you can see that interesting And does that turn you off? Yeah, it turns me off. It's not fun interesting. Speaking of Housewives.
Oh yeah, let's go, let's go.
Teresa goodie. She I love her. Actually we actually bonded the short time that she was on Dancing with the Stars. She reacts after her epic photoshop fail goes viral. I cannot believe. First of all, we all photoshop. So let's just be real, like, come on, why is this a viral? Why is this currently this story with whatever is happening in the world currently viral.
What I think is so hilarious about it is first of all, to know Teresa's to love her, to also know that she doesn't know what she's doing with this phone. She doesn't understand any of those things. She's not paying attention to all of it. But she sent it to her social media girl. She knew it was Lars's birthday. She said, hey, do me a favor. Here's you know, a picture of the two of us. It's the only picture I could find, but I don't like the background. And her social media guy was like, well, I'm in Mexico right now, and she's like, good, take a picture of of the beach. Now. She did that thing where you like on an iPhone, if you like, drag the photo. It essentially cuts it out and she just plays it on a new background. But she didn't you know the problem with photoshop there, it's problem and everybody uses it, but some apps are better than others that hiding it. This just it looked like it was like a child had cut it out and paper and taped it onto another.
But wasn't she like jokes on you guys, because like I was in on it too.
I don't think that she realized how bad it was. And I think that after everyone pointed it out, I think she's laughing at it now. But that's what I love about Teresa. She does have a good sense of humor about herself in moments like these, and Larsa's laughed about it. I mean, it is it is really funny.
Have you been following Simone?
I have? Oh my gosh, I'm so I am a big Olympics fan and I cannot wait for the Olympics.
I'm just a big fan of hers. Like I freaking love the messaging that this woman has, Like she has so much courage. The fact that like, first of all, just years ago, she had to bow out right because of course her mental health comes first. People went like attacked her for that, and she clapped back her husband same thing with whatever you know when he said I'm the catch, clapped back, loved her interview with Call Her Daddy with Alex Cooper And now do you know who mike Kayla is? It's not Mikayla or am I saying this wrong?
I think it's Mikaela. Yeah, MICHAELA Skinner, Mikayla.
Okay, so you want to talk about this story? Did you I follow it at all?
Yeah? So you know, Mikayla Skinner is a retired gymnasts and she really criticized the twenty twenty four Olympics team. And after doing that, Simone Biles posted a message saying, not everyone needs a mic, which I love a cryptic class back. You know it's like you're not really Yeah, It's like it's like you're not really you're kind of nailing her, but yeah, really saying it, and we all know what you're saying. But you can easily be like, oh, I wasn't saying that. I love that. A good passive, aggressive.
Clap back, but classy still classy, classy.
And you know, Mikayla Skinner and Someone Biles were former teammates and Mikayla kind of criticized the group's work ethics. She was saying, you know that basically besides Simone, she felt that the talent and the depth just isn't what it used to be. And I understand that. I understand that feeling of when you were in it, it feels like it was always so harder. But she doesn't really know what they're dealing with.
It made it an Olympic team, Like, how are you going to say to olympians representing our country that their work ethic is not intact? Like that is absolutely absurd. And I don't know what happened with her. I'm not sure if she I don't know, God let go, or like she retired what. I don't know, But that's nonsense. She made a whole YouTube video about it. Did you see it.
I didn't see the original YouTube video, but I saw like the writeups of it and everybody sort of talking about what happened. You know, michaela has been a huge advocate for safety in the sport. Yeah, because of all the horrible things that were happening within the gymnastics team. And she competed in the twenty fourteen World Championships, she contributed to the US team's gold medal. Like, she's had a lot of success in this world, and I think that she's you know, I try to allow like the positivity of all the work that she's done with sort of helping victims and other people through this thing as being you know, strong, but I'm not super. I don't know. I'm having a hard time placing her in this. I'm not really sure what's motivating her to say these things. And it feels just kind of like you're a little bit better, yeah, which I'm surprised about. It's never really been who I've seen her to be in the past, and I'm really looking forward to her speaking out and kind of explaining why she did that.
You know, did she on her stories that went disappear twenty four hours later, or she apologized.
I feel like she's really given you know, I think it was like a bit of a dig at a bunch of people that she didn't need to. She also maybe, yeah, she kept mispronouncing the name of another member of the twenty twenty four team, Like, I think it just made a lot of members of the gymnastics community, including Elympeans and family members sort of call her out on it, and I'm sure that doesn't feel great either, But I'm going to need her to open her eyes a little bit more because.
And just be open and just say, like why she said.
That, you know, right, and like I understand she was essentially attributing the reduced work ethic to the US Center of Safe Sport, which is an organization that's really been set up to reduce sexual abuse in Olympic sports in the wake of the you know, gymnastics sex abuse scandal, but like saying essentially like they can't be as hard on them in the.
Past, she's contradicting her.
Yeah, it's it's it's hard. It's really it's like should you want them not to be that way or I.
Don't know, well, I know it's like you're wrapping this whole anti abuse, yet you're saying that, oh, it's a shame they you know, should be as aggressive and it was way better when I was doing it when there was abuse happening, and then what is going on exactly?
I know, it's it's a little bit uh circular and not the best.
Look like we love, we love someone who comes out and just is transparent and apologizes, and it totally takes themselves, puts themselves into, you know, this vulnerable state. Do another YouTube video is never going to go away what you did until you come out and say why you said it?
And I completely agree. Yeah, yeah, And like, let's focus on the fact that these incredible gymnasts are about to go represent USA in the two thousand and four Paris Olympics and we're all here to cheer them on with their bedazzled unit tards, Like I want to. I want to be in, you know, the cheering squad for these ladies.
Let's go, Let's go to Paris.
Oh my god, let's go.
Have you got I have my little sister.
That seems really fun. Honestly, we have colleagues of mine that people are going to be there for the Olympics, and I'm so excited for them. It seems a lot of fun.
I actually just want to go to meet Alex Cooper because she's going to cover it up.
I just want to go and have a croissant.
Mel b. I love I love her. I do love her story. I love her story, I love her journey. I know we talked about her before, right and she got her freaking doctorate. Oh my god, find blowing. She I saw her posts actually, and I just responded, I'm like, I am so proud of you. I had no idea that she went back to school first of all. Second of all, she's been an anti domestic abuse campaigner, right, and she's receiving an honorary doctorate from Leeds Beckett University for services to the City of Leeds. That's amazing. The award recognizes her role as a campaigner an advocate for domestic abuse victims, as well as her reputation as a global recognize music icon. You know what. She said that she's doing this because she really it has been part of her healing process because not too long ago she got out of this horrible, abusive relationship and marriage that she was in for many decades. And for her to turn it around like this and to share and to get be of service, like, I am so inspired by her, and I hope we cross paths soon because I could definitely learn a few things from her, for sure.
Yeah, I mean I think that. Listen, when we talk about girl power, here's a perfect example of it. You know. She came forward in her twenty eighteen memoir brutally honest and talked all about her claims of sexual abuse that she suffered from her ex husband, Stephen Belafonte. He's denied the allegations. But I just love that she has continued to make this her platform. She's become such a beautiful advocate. And she said, you know, I don't want to accept an award. I want to be accepted as a student. And I love that she like did the work to be in there and do those things. I mean that is talk about scary Spice. That is scary going back to schools at any age.
And she's not even known as that anymore. This is what she's going to be known for. This is her purpose in life. Like the rest you.
Know, strang Spice will call her.
We'll call her the best Spice ever.
Well, I'm a very big Jerry Hollowell fan, So Tony the second best Spies ever mine.
Nicole Scherzinger. Speaking of girl groups, Nicole explains why being in the Pussycat Dolls was such a difficult time. Okay, I actually this is the one person who I wish I would hear more about her life in an honest and vulnerable, transparent way. She very rarely opens up like this. Like she's freaking talented, Like she's the definition of an X factor, right. She can sing, gives me chills every time. She's a great dancer. She I'm sure she's a great actor. I just don't ever like I did a couple of shows with her. I did Dancing with the Stars, and I can do that with her. And I never got a chance to just, you know, let it all loose and hang out with her in a way where we would talk vulnerably and personally about each other's lives. Right. It was. It was always hard because she's so beautiful and almost like I'm like, are you real? Like I would love to like, and we're both Filipina, you know, and so it's like, oh yeah, And I've always admired her.
I think that coming out and saying what she said about her experience and the Pussy Gut Dolls is one of many things I want to hear from her as well, talk about it. And you know, she's spoken in the past about her battle with Bolimia, but I think that and how difficult it was during her time with the Pussy Gut Dolls. But I think that what she was saying here was that it was really interesting. You know, we put all of these young stars in these huge platforms of the spotlight, right of girl groups, of boy groups, of singing careers. Even when you think about Sabrina Carpenter right now, like her age and she's grown up in the spotlight, but a lot of those times that's when you're learning about yourself along the way, and you have to do that in the public eye. Why putting on this vell of perfection and that was really hard for her, And I appreciate her saying that it's just acknowledging it because we sometimes we don't think there's any challenges that you're going through. Yeah, when you think about it, it's really crazy. They started as like, you know, essentially an act, like a like a bar.
Act that was singing act.
Yeah, like a bur less act performing to Hey, Big Spender and things like that. Then they started their own music and like put out Bob after Bob after Bob, like songs that don't need to be as good as they are. Don't You is a great song? Buttons? Are you kidding me? Buttons is an incredible song.
It's amazing, amazing. I mean, we dance to these we dance to them on the Stars and they're great.
Well, I grow up. They are timeless box I heard. I mean, they're just fun. And I don't know, I've always been. They tried to bring the pussy At Dolls back, they tried to do a reunion. It never really happened. But let me tell you, Nicole is a star, star star and she's about to make her Broadway debut this fall in the revival of Sunset Boulevards debut. Yeah, she's never been on Broadway. Okay, I have to tell you a little tea. So after the Tony Awards, I went to the Tony Awards this year, this is back in June. And afterwards there's a really iconic party that happens at the Carlisle Hotel in New York, and it's star studied, just like celebrities.
Julianne, there you saw julian.
Julianne was there. She looks so beautiful. I love her so much. So I was I was stargazing NonStop, and I ended up at the bar waiting to order a diet coke, of course, and there was Nicole and I stared at her like she was a painting. I have never seen anyone as beautiful as that. She's so stunning, stunning.
I know. Okay brook Burke my sister from another mister. First of all, obviously, you know she was on she was on Dancing with Stars obviously, but she was also on this podcast and she did talk in detail about how shocked she was when she got let go, and there seems to be a pattern here when people are being let go. It's shocking, right.
Was it her choice to leave? No?
You know how she found out. She was driving her kids to school and the showrunner called her and it was Bluetooth and basically said, yeah, this was like weeks before.
Oh, it's horrible. You know, this is one of the persistent things that I've learned about this industry. And it's not just his industry, it's every industry. You know, when you work for companies, you think that you're a very valued person for that company, and the truth is, at the end of the day, the company just is the is the valued thing. They're always going to value themselves over you, and they're always going to move past you. And it's just I don't think.
I don't know what people think like that. I mean I never did, I never I never thought, yeah, right, I always I don't know. My mom trained me to always be scared for my job, just to have options A through Z, and I will tell the pro answers my advice. This will be the last thing before we have to stop. But my advice is to start creating a plan B for yourself, because honestly, nothing lasts forever, especially dancing with the stars. We're all getting older and regardless, they already have a replacement in mind. And it's just the way it is. You could still do your job, still do it at the best ability that you can, and still be friendly with everyone. But don't ever think that this too will not happen to you.
You're right, and it's about making sure in your life that you don't put all your eggs in any basket. At the end of the day, you have to just be happy for the work that you've done.
Yeah, and feel like you exactly.
Feel like you've given it. You're all and your best.
Yeah. And also let's talk about Lisa Renna Go.
Okay, Oh, it'sles Lisa Renda's birthday. She's sixty. Today is her birthday.
Happy birthday, Lisa.
It was so funny. There was a very iconic scene in the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills where Brandy Glanville shout out, Brandy love you decided to sort of make a dig towards Lisa and said, like, you've had the same hair for twenty years, and ever since then, Lisa has changed it up. She looks totally different all the time. You have to give it to her.
That can't be the first person who said that to Lisa.
It wasn't, but it was the first person in such a public platform, I think to say, it's our you know. And she's sixty one years old.
She a model now she is she.
Well, she models, she she's gorgeous, all sorts of crazy things, and her instagram is one of my favorites to follow.
So when I was watching rewatching season two, don't you think her and Louis look like brother and sister?
Yes?
Okay, so, especially when Louis had cut his hair for the first time back then. Now, wouldn't it be funny and Harry the three of them may look like triplets. I know they should be each other for the lloween.
Oh that's a great idea, thank you, That is a great idea.
Like they would it's scary. Actually, yeah, it is good.
But yeah, she was working. This was out the Victor and Ralph Hatcatore Fall Winter twenty twenty five show, and she showed off, you know, a brand new platinum look.
I think she looks You think she's keeping to herself a little bit more now that she's into this side of the business. I just love that she's done everything.
Actually, yeah, you know, Lisa Rena was a star before Housewives. Lisa Renda will be a star after Housewives, exacly. And I think that she's somebody who nobody hustles like Lisa Renda. She is hustle, she's right duster and she's wearing diaper.
She's the only one they're still there. Yeah, because she makes their crazy goals.
She works hard, and that's something I've always really admired about her. I think she's a great mom. I think those girls are our beautiful, smart, intelligent team. Well they're not teens, they're in their twenties. They're beautiful women. And uh and I love her relationship.
With Harry, So they're still together.
They're all still together.
Yeah, and talk about rebranding. If anyone can rebrand themselves, it's her. Like I need to pick her brain. AnyWho I love you. Let's go to Paris.
Okay, we're going to Paris.
I'll or than I am, but.
You'll fi here and then we'll go or you know, it just comes to New York, we'll go see Nicole on Broadway.
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