We all say things in the moment after a few drinks, but have you ever offered to have your someone's baby? Well that's just what Leonie McKinnon did for her friend Rebecca MacDonald. Lee and Beck have put their story to paper in their book Little Ray of Sunshine: An Australian Surrogacy Story and are here in the bathroom to tell Cam and Ali all about their unique relationship.

LINKS
Learn more about Little Ray of Sunshine – https://www.alittlerayofsunshine.net/
Follow Cam on Instagram @camerondaddo. 
Follow Ali on Instagram @alidaddo. 
Follow Nova Podcasts @novapodcastsofficial. 

Got a question for Cam & Ali? You can email them atseparatebathrooms@novapodcasts.com.au. 

CREDITS

Hosts: Cameron Daddo and Alison Brahe-Daddo. 
Guests: Leonie McKinnon and Rebecca MacDonald.
Managing Producer: Elle Beattie. 
Producer and Editor: Amy Kimball. 

Find more great podcasts like this at novapodcasts.com.au.

Nova Entertainment acknowledges the traditional custodians of the land on which we recorded this podcast, the Gadigal People of the Eora Nation. We pay our respect to Elders past and present.

We all say things in the moment after a few drinks, but have you ever offered to have your someone's baby? Well that's just what Leonie McKinnon did for her friend Rebecca MacDonald. Lee and Beck have put their story to paper in their book Little Ray of Sunshine: An Australian Surrogacy Story and are here in the bathroom to tell Cam and Ali all about their unique relationship.
LINKS 
<ul>
<li data-leveltext="" data-font="Symbol" data-listid="1" data-list-defn-props="{&quot;335552541&quot;:1,&quot;335559684&quot;:-2,&quot;335559685&quot;:720,&quot;335559991&quot;:360,&quot;469769226&quot;:&quot;Symbol&quot;,&quot;469769242&quot;:[8226],&quot;469777803&quot;:&quot;left&quot;,&quot;469777804&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;469777815&quot;:&quot;hybridMultilevel&quot;}" aria-setsize="-1" data-aria-posinset="1" data-aria-level="1">Learn more about Little Ray of Sunshine – <a href="https://www.alittlerayofsunshine.net/">https://www.alittlerayofsunshine.net/</a> </li>
<li data-leveltext="" data-font="Symbol" data-listid="1" data-list-defn-props="{&quot;335552541&quot;:1,&quot;335559684&quot;:-2,&quot;335559685&quot;:720,&quot;335559991&quot;:360,&quot;469769226&quot;:&quot;Symbol&quot;,&quot;469769242&quot;:[8226],&quot;469777803&quot;:&quot;left&quot;,&quot;469777804&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;469777815&quot;:&quot;hybridMultilevel&quot;}" aria-setsize="-1" data-aria-posinset="1" data-aria-level="1">Follow Cam on Instagram <a href="https://www.instagram.com/camerondaddo/">@camerondaddo</a>. </li>
<li data-leveltext="" data-font="Symbol" data-listid="1" data-list-defn-props="{&quot;335552541&quot;:1,&quot;335559684&quot;:-2,&quot;335559685&quot;:720,&quot;335559991&quot;:360,&quot;469769226&quot;:&quot;Symbol&quot;,&quot;469769242&quot;:[8226],&quot;469777803&quot;:&quot;left&quot;,&quot;469777804&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;469777815&quot;:&quot;hybridMultilevel&quot;}" aria-setsize="-1" data-aria-posinset="2" data-aria-level="1">Follow Ali on Instagram <a href="https://www.instagram.com/alidaddo/">@alidaddo</a>. </li>
<li data-leveltext="" data-font="Symbol" data-listid="1" data-list-defn-props="{&quot;335552541&quot;:1,&quot;335559684&quot;:-2,&quot;335559685&quot;:720,&quot;335559991&quot;:360,&quot;469769226&quot;:&quot;Symbol&quot;,&quot;469769242&quot;:[8226],&quot;469777803&quot;:&quot;left&quot;,&quot;469777804&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;469777815&quot;:&quot;hybridMultilevel&quot;}" aria-setsize="-1" data-aria-posinset="3" data-aria-level="1">Follow Nova Podcasts <a href="https://www.instagram.com/novapodcastsofficial/">@novapodcastsofficial</a>. </li>
</ul>
Got a question for Cam &amp; Ali? You can email them at <a href="mailto:separatebathrooms@novapodcasts.com.au">separatebathrooms@novapodcasts.com.au</a>. 
CREDITS 
Hosts: Cameron Daddo and Alison Brahe-Daddo.  Guests: Leonie McKinnon and Rebecca MacDonald. Managing Producer: Elle Beattie.  Producer and Editor: Amy Kimball. 
Find more great podcasts like this at <a href="http://novapodcasts.com.au/">novapodcasts.com.au</a>. 
Nova Entertainment acknowledges the traditional custodians of the land on which we recorded this podcast, the Gadigal People of the Eora Nation. We pay our respect to Elders past and present.

Cameron Daddo, alongside his wife Alison, chat about the journey of their 30 year marriage. They chat about the highs, the lows, and all of the lessons learnt in-between.

They're also joined by some of the most interesting couples in Australia to take a look behind the closed doors of their relationships. It's humorous, it's vulnerable, it's inspiring, it's full of relationship wisdom you just might need to hear. 

Ali and Cam are both patrons for Rize Up - supporting the many families affected by domestic and family violence.

Cameron Daddo, alongside his wife Alison, chat about the journey of their 30 year marriage. They chat about the highs, the lows, and all of the lessons learnt in-between.
They're also joined by some of the most interesting couples in Australia to take a look behind the closed doors of their relationships. It's humorous, it's vulnerable, it's inspiring, it's full of relationship wisdom you just might need to hear. 
Ali and Cam are both patrons for Rize Up - supporting the many families affected by domestic and family violence.

Cameron Daddo, alongside his wife Alison, chat about the journey of their 28 year marriage.

Separate Bathrooms

How one Woman Helped her Friend to Have a Family

Today, Cam and Ali are joined in the bathroom by raise.org founder Vicki Condon AM and chairman Leon Condon. 

The couples talk about the loss that led Vicki to start Raise, the lessons they've taken from running the charity into their partnership, the three levels of communication in a relationship, and Leon's realisation that everyday transactional communication had replaced deep emotional intimacy between them. 

LINKS
Get involved with raise.org.au
Follow @raisefoundation and @vickicondon on Instagram
Follow Cam @camerondaddo on Instagram
Follow Ali @alidaddo on Instagram
Follow Nova Podcasts @novapodcastsofficial. 

Got a question for Cam & Ali? You can email them atseparatebathrooms@novapodcasts.com.au. 

Today, Cam and Ali are joined in the bathroom by raise.org founder Vicki Condon AM and chairman Leon Condon. 
The couples talk about the loss that led Vicki to start Raise, the lessons they've taken from running the charity into their partnership, the three levels of communication in a relationship, and Leon's realisation that everyday transactional communication had replaced deep emotional intimacy between them. 
LINKS 
<ul>
<li data-leveltext="" data-font="Symbol" data-listid="1" data-list-defn-props="{&quot;335552541&quot;:1,&quot;335559684&quot;:-2,&quot;335559685&quot;:720,&quot;335559991&quot;:360,&quot;469769226&quot;:&quot;Symbol&quot;,&quot;469769242&quot;:[8226],&quot;469777803&quot;:&quot;left&quot;,&quot;469777804&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;469777815&quot;:&quot;hybridMultilevel&quot;}" aria-setsize="-1" data-aria-posinset="1" data-aria-level="1">Get involved with <a href="https://www.raise.org.au/">raise.org.au</a></li>
<li data-leveltext="" data-font="Symbol" data-listid="1" data-list-defn-props="{&quot;335552541&quot;:1,&quot;335559684&quot;:-2,&quot;335559685&quot;:720,&quot;335559991&quot;:360,&quot;469769226&quot;:&quot;Symbol&quot;,&quot;469769242&quot;:[8226],&quot;469777803&quot;:&quot;left&quot;,&quot;469777804&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;469777815&quot;:&quot;hybridMultilevel&quot;}" aria-setsize="-1" data-aria-posinset="1" data-aria-level="1">Follow <a href="https://www.instagram.com/raisefoundation/?hl=en">@raisefoundation</a> and <a href="https://www.instagram.com/vickicondon/">@vickicondon</a> on Instagram</li>
<li data-leveltext="" data-font="Symbol" data-listid="1" data-list-defn-props="{&quot;335552541&quot;:1,&quot;335559684&quot;:-2,&quot;335559685&quot;:720,&quot;335559991&quot;:360,&quot;469769226&quot;:&quot;Symbol&quot;,&quot;469769242&quot;:[8226],&quot;469777803&quot;:&quot;left&quot;,&quot;469777804&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;469777815&quot;:&quot;hybridMultilevel&quot;}" aria-setsize="-1" data-aria-posinset="1" data-aria-level="1">Follow Cam <a href="https://www.instagram.com/camerondaddo/">@camerondaddo</a> on Instagram</li>
<li data-leveltext="" data-font="Symbol" data-listid="1" data-list-defn-props="{&quot;335552541&quot;:1,&quot;335559684&quot;:-2,&quot;335559685&quot;:720,&quot;335559991&quot;:360,&quot;469769226&quot;:&quot;Symbol&quot;,&quot;469769242&quot;:[8226],&quot;469777803&quot;:&quot;left&quot;,&quot;469777804&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;469777815&quot;:&quot;hybridMultilevel&quot;}" aria-setsize="-1" data-aria-posinset="2" data-aria-level="1">Follow Ali <a href="https://www.instagram.com/alidaddo/">@alidaddo</a> on Instagram</li>
<li data-leveltext="" data-font="Symbol" data-listid="1" data-list-defn-props="{&quot;335552541&quot;:1,&quot;335559684&quot;:-2,&quot;335559685&quot;:720,&quot;335559991&quot;:360,&quot;469769226&quot;:&quot;Symbol&quot;,&quot;469769242&quot;:[8226],&quot;469777803&quot;:&quot;left&quot;,&quot;469777804&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;469777815&quot;:&quot;hybridMultilevel&quot;}" aria-setsize="-1" data-aria-posinset="3" data-aria-level="1">Follow Nova Podcasts <a href="https://www.instagram.com/novapodcastsofficial/">@novapodcastsofficial</a>. </li>
</ul>
Got a question for Cam &amp; Ali? You can email them at <a href="mailto:separatebathrooms@novapodcasts.com.au">separatebathrooms@novapodcasts.com.au</a>.

Teenagers Need Adults in Their Lives (That Aren't Their Parents)

In today’s episode of Separate Bathrooms, Cam and Ali are shifting focus from romantic to platonic love. For the first time, it’s a friendship taking centre stage, not a romance!

Join The Age and SMH lifestyle editor and author of Just Friends: On the Joy, Power and Influence of Friendship, Gyan Yankovich, along with her friend, author and returning guest, Gina Rushton, for an insightful exploration of friendship.

Listen as they share their own friendship 'love story,' and discuss the lack of language and milestones for friendships compared to romantic relationships. They also chat friendship breakups and breakdowns, male vs. female friendships, and how life can be richer when romantic relationships aren’t the main focus. 

LINKS
Check out Gyan's book Just Friends: On the Joy, Power and Influence of Friendship
See Gyan at the Sydney Writers Festival www.swf.org.au/program/season-2024/best-friends
Follow Gyan on Instagram @gyanyankovich
Follow Gina @ginarushtonauthor
Follow Cam @camerondaddo
Follow Ali @alidaddo
Follow Nova Podcasts @novapodcastsofficial. 

Got a question for Cam & Ali? You can email them atseparatebathrooms@novapodcasts.com.au. 

In today’s episode of Separate Bathrooms, Cam and Ali are shifting focus from romantic to platonic love. For the first time, it’s a friendship taking centre stage, not a romance!
Join The Age and SMH lifestyle editor and author of <a data-ti="overview" data-ved="2ahUKEwityJz6v_WFAxU7hlYBHYB2Cq8Q_coHegQIThAB">Just Friends: On the Joy, Power and Influence of Friendship</a>, Gyan Yankovich, along with her friend, author and returning guest, Gina Rushton, for an insightful exploration of friendship.
Listen as they share their own friendship 'love story,' and discuss the lack of language and milestones for friendships compared to romantic relationships. They also chat friendship breakups and breakdowns, male vs. female friendships, and how life can be richer when romantic relationships aren’t the main focus. 
LINKS 
<ul>
<li data-leveltext="" data-font="Symbol" data-listid="1" data-list-defn-props="{&quot;335552541&quot;:1,&quot;335559684&quot;:-2,&quot;335559685&quot;:720,&quot;335559991&quot;:360,&quot;469769226&quot;:&quot;Symbol&quot;,&quot;469769242&quot;:[8226],&quot;469777803&quot;:&quot;left&quot;,&quot;469777804&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;469777815&quot;:&quot;hybridMultilevel&quot;}" aria-setsize="-1" data-aria-posinset="1" data-aria-level="1">Check out Gyan's book <a href="https://www.booktopia.com.au/just-friends-gyan-yankovich/book/9781761152146.html" data-ti="overview" data-ved="2ahUKEwityJz6v_WFAxU7hlYBHYB2Cq8Q_coHegQIThAB">Just Friends: On the Joy, Power and Influence of Friendship</a></li>
<li data-leveltext="" data-font="Symbol" data-listid="1" data-list-defn-props="{&quot;335552541&quot;:1,&quot;335559684&quot;:-2,&quot;335559685&quot;:720,&quot;335559991&quot;:360,&quot;469769226&quot;:&quot;Symbol&quot;,&quot;469769242&quot;:[8226],&quot;469777803&quot;:&quot;left&quot;,&quot;469777804&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;469777815&quot;:&quot;hybridMultilevel&quot;}" aria-setsize="-1" data-aria-posinset="1" data-aria-level="1">See Gyan at the Sydney Writers Festival <a href="https://www.swf.org.au/program/season-2024/best-friends">www.swf.org.au/program/season-2024/best-friends</a></li>
<li data-leveltext="" data-font="Symbol" data-listid="1" data-list-defn-props="{&quot;335552541&quot;:1,&quot;335559684&quot;:-2,&quot;335559685&quot;:720,&quot;335559991&quot;:360,&quot;469769226&quot;:&quot;Symbol&quot;,&quot;469769242&quot;:[8226],&quot;469777803&quot;:&quot;left&quot;,&quot;469777804&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;469777815&quot;:&quot;hybridMultilevel&quot;}" aria-setsize="-1" data-aria-posinset="1" data-aria-level="1">Follow Gyan on Instagram <a href="https://www.instagram.com/gyanyankovich/?hl=en" data-ved="2ahUKEwjx8tSK0vWFAxW6ilYBHefQAxIQFnoECC0QAQ">@gyanyankovich</a></li>
<li data-leveltext="" data-font="Symbol" data-listid="1" data-list-defn-props="{&quot;335552541&quot;:1,&quot;335559684&quot;:-2,&quot;335559685&quot;:720,&quot;335559991&quot;:360,&quot;469769226&quot;:&quot;Symbol&quot;,&quot;469769242&quot;:[8226],&quot;469777803&quot;:&quot;left&quot;,&quot;469777804&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;469777815&quot;:&quot;hybridMultilevel&quot;}" aria-setsize="-1" data-aria-posinset="1" data-aria-level="1">Follow Gina <a href="https://www.instagram.com/ginarushtonauthor/" data-ved="2ahUKEwih68b60fWFAxWgqFYBHTs6DlgQFnoECBoQAQ">@ginarushtonauthor</a></li>
<li data-leveltext="" data-font="Symbol" data-listid="1" data-list-defn-props="{&quot;335552541&quot;:1,&quot;335559684&quot;:-2,&quot;335559685&quot;:720,&quot;335559991&quot;:360,&quot;469769226&quot;:&quot;Symbol&quot;,&quot;469769242&quot;:[8226],&quot;469777803&quot;:&quot;left&quot;,&quot;469777804&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;469777815&quot;:&quot;hybridMultilevel&quot;}" aria-setsize="-1" data-aria-posinset="1" data-aria-level="1">Follow Cam <a href="https://www.instagram.com/camerondaddo/">@camerondaddo</a></li>
<li data-leveltext="" data-font="Symbol" data-listid="1" data-list-defn-props="{&quot;335552541&quot;:1,&quot;335559684&quot;:-2,&quot;335559685&quot;:720,&quot;335559991&quot;:360,&quot;469769226&quot;:&quot;Symbol&quot;,&quot;469769242&quot;:[8226],&quot;469777803&quot;:&quot;left&quot;,&quot;469777804&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;469777815&quot;:&quot;hybridMultilevel&quot;}" aria-setsize="-1" data-aria-posinset="2" data-aria-level="1">Follow Ali <a href="https://www.instagram.com/alidaddo/">@alidaddo</a></li>
<li data-leveltext="" data-font="Symbol" data-listid="1" data-list-defn-props="{&quot;335552541&quot;:1,&quot;335559684&quot;:-2,&quot;335559685&quot;:720,&quot;335559991&quot;:360,&quot;469769226&quot;:&quot;Symbol&quot;,&quot;469769242&quot;:[8226],&quot;469777803&quot;:&quot;left&quot;,&quot;469777804&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;469777815&quot;:&quot;hybridMultilevel&quot;}" aria-setsize="-1" data-aria-posinset="3" data-aria-level="1">Follow Nova Podcasts <a href="https://www.instagram.com/novapodcastsofficial/">@novapodcastsofficial</a>. </li>
</ul>
Got a question for Cam &amp; Ali? You can email them at <a href="mailto:separatebathrooms@novapodcasts.com.au">separatebathrooms@novapodcasts.com.au</a>.

Should There Be a ‘Marriage’ Equivalent for Friends?

Writer Kerri Sackville and her partner Mike join Cam and Ali in the bathroom today — learn why we'll be inspecting the toothpaste tube once they leave!

In her books, and as a columnist for the Sydney Morning Herald and The Age, Kerri has documented her journey through marriage, divorce and years of dating in mid-life. Her most recent book The Secret Life of You: How a bit of alone time can change your life, relationships, and maybe the world is about embracing solitude. But in learning to be content by herself, Kerri also found love.

There's much to learn from Kerri and Mike's unconventional love story. Listen as they discuss dating in mid-life, the distinction between loneliness and solitude, why being single is better than being with the wrong person, and Kerri's quirky method of cutting bread.

LINKS
Check out Kerri's books at www.kerrisackville.com.au/books
See Kerri at the Sydney Writers Festival www.swf.org.au/writers/kerri-sackville
Follow Kerri Sackville on Instagram @kerrisackville or on Facebook @kerri.sackville
Check out the Mens Table themenstable.org
Follow Cam on Instagram @camerondaddo
Follow Ali on Instagram @alidaddo
Follow Nova Podcasts @novapodcastsofficial. 

Got a question for Cam & Ali? You can email them atseparatebathrooms@novapodcasts.com.au. 

Writer Kerri Sackville and her partner Mike join Cam and Ali in the bathroom today — learn why we'll be inspecting the toothpaste tube once they leave!
In her books, and as a columnist for the Sydney Morning Herald and The Age, Kerri has documented her journey through marriage, divorce and years of dating in mid-life. Her most recent book The Secret Life of You: How a bit of alone time can change your life, relationships, and maybe the world is about embracing solitude. But in learning to be content by herself, Kerri also found love.
There's much to learn from Kerri and Mike's unconventional love story. Listen as they discuss dating in mid-life, the distinction between loneliness and solitude, why being single is better than being with the wrong person, and Kerri's quirky method of cutting bread.
LINKS 
<ul>
<li>Check out Kerri's books at <a href="http://www.kerrisackville.com.au/books">www.kerrisackville.com.au/books</a></li>
<li>See Kerri at the Sydney Writers Festival <a href="https://www.swf.org.au/writers/kerri-sackville">www.swf.org.au/writers/kerri-sackville</a></li>
<li>Follow Kerri Sackville on Instagram <a href="https://www.instagram.com/kerrisackville/?hl=en" data-ved="2ahUKEwjO4KaPpeSFAxVZr1YBHV5XBNIQFnoECCsQAQ">@kerrisackville</a> or on Facebook <a href="https://www.facebook.com/Kerri.Sackville/">@kerri.sackville</a></li>
<li>Check out the Mens Table <a href="https://themenstable.org/">themenstable.org</a></li>
<li data-leveltext="" data-font="Symbol" data-listid="1" data-list-defn-props="{&quot;335552541&quot;:1,&quot;335559684&quot;:-2,&quot;335559685&quot;:720,&quot;335559991&quot;:360,&quot;469769226&quot;:&quot;Symbol&quot;,&quot;469769242&quot;:[8226],&quot;469777803&quot;:&quot;left&quot;,&quot;469777804&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;469777815&quot;:&quot;hybridMultilevel&quot;}" aria-setsize="-1" data-aria-posinset="1" data-aria-level="1">Follow Cam on Instagram <a href="https://www.instagram.com/camerondaddo/">@camerondaddo</a></li>
<li data-leveltext="" data-font="Symbol" data-listid="1" data-list-defn-props="{&quot;335552541&quot;:1,&quot;335559684&quot;:-2,&quot;335559685&quot;:720,&quot;335559991&quot;:360,&quot;469769226&quot;:&quot;Symbol&quot;,&quot;469769242&quot;:[8226],&quot;469777803&quot;:&quot;left&quot;,&quot;469777804&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;469777815&quot;:&quot;hybridMultilevel&quot;}" aria-setsize="-1" data-aria-posinset="2" data-aria-level="1">Follow Ali on Instagram <a href="https://www.instagram.com/alidaddo/">@alidaddo</a></li>
<li data-leveltext="" data-font="Symbol" data-listid="1" data-list-defn-props="{&quot;335552541&quot;:1,&quot;335559684&quot;:-2,&quot;335559685&quot;:720,&quot;335559991&quot;:360,&quot;469769226&quot;:&quot;Symbol&quot;,&quot;469769242&quot;:[8226],&quot;469777803&quot;:&quot;left&quot;,&quot;469777804&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;469777815&quot;:&quot;hybridMultilevel&quot;}" aria-setsize="-1" data-aria-posinset="3" data-aria-level="1">Follow Nova Podcasts <a href="https://www.instagram.com/novapodcastsofficial/">@novapodcastsofficial</a>. </li>
</ul>
Got a question for Cam &amp; Ali? You can email them at <a href="mailto:separatebathrooms@novapodcasts.com.au">separatebathrooms@novapodcasts.com.au</a>.

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