Scrubbing In with Becca Tilley & Tanya RadHow to Save Life Live from Epic Con with Jason George, Jake Borelli, Adelaide Kane and Skylar Astin
Becca and Tanya are live from Epic Con in Chicago and the O.R. Is STACKED!
We have in-person consultations with Shondaland darling Jason George, returning Scrubbing In favorite Jake Borreli, new friend Adelaide Kane and Jo's ex himself... Skylar Astin!
Secrets are spilled, friendships are formed and petitions are started!!
Scrubbing in with Becca Tilly and Tanya rap An iHeartRadio podcast.
Hello, everybody, we are scrubbing.
Is scrub a dub dub? Not in the tub, tub tub.
We're not in the tub.
We're in Epic Con in Chicago, at Epic Con. Yeah, Coga, Jason, correct, we are here because why are we here?
Tanya? Do you want to know why we're here?
I do know why we were, why we're here. I know why we're here to the ladies of epicn are huge scrubbers, which shout out.
Shout out, but also all women run company.
And all women run company made out of professional fangirls, which I personally love to see.
I just love that being a fangirl resulted in a whole convention.
Yeah, of fellow fangirls.
A fellow fangirls. Yeah, and people as fans can come and pay and meet their favorite stars from their favorite shows.
Right.
What a genius concept.
I love it.
I love a con Maybe maybe one day you and I could make a convention.
What would that be?
I don't know.
Let's put a pin in it.
We'll come back to that, we'll brainstorm that. But for now, we're here because This epic con specifically is for the first responders of TV.
Yes.
Correct, So we're gonna have a couple episodes for you from here, and this one is going to consist. We're gonna call this one our Gray's Anatomy episode.
So creative, Yeah you got. I thought you were about to hit me with like a creative title for them.
This one's just going to be the Gray's Anatomy episode. Yeah. So it's going to consist of Adelaide, Cain, Jake BURRELLI, Skyler, Aston, Jason George.
Some of our all time faves.
Correct.
Jason George was our first ever when it.
Was just me a solo artist, and I have also had him on since I knows.
Aspect is that he was our first scrubbing and guests ever. He got the ball rolling.
Yes he did. He believed in us when no one, no one else did.
When I only believed in myself.
Yeah. I don't even believe in you at that point.
Wow wow wow wow.
Okay, before this gets harsh, let's begin, let's begin, all.
Right, everybody. Adelaide Kine is here. Hi, guys Ico, how you doing me too? How are you doing? I'm good.
I just slammed a cold brew and oh wow, it's hitting my system.
Just loving it.
Yeah, yeah, incredible, I'm doing well good.
You said you do a lot of these fan conventions. Yeah.
I took last year off because I was feeling a little bit burnt out. But I've done a bunch. Most of the conventions I do are in Europe or in Paris or Milan or in the UK. I haven't done a huge amount of like US based conventions. So it's really nice to be here in Chicago and be like, oh, it's only a four hour flight instead of fourteen.
It's so nice.
Yeah.
How do the Gray's Anatomy fans compare to the rest?
The Gray's Anatomy fans have been really lovely and quite welcoming considering a brand new They're really lovely.
They're very chill.
It's interesting the spread of Gray's Anatomy fans from like, you know, people closer to middle age to younger people like my cousin is a Gray's Anatomy fan. She's been watching since high school. So a lot of Gray's fans have been with the show for decades, like have been with the show for years, and it.
Really is like a part of their life.
So it's really interesting to be meeting fans who have been you know, like they know the show better than I do, and I've only been on it for sort of two years. It's it's really remarkable, like just like the dedication and they're all super chill as well, Like they're all really chill, and I'm like, right, because this is this show is like a childhood friend for you. Yeah, you know, and with some of the younger shows that I've done, you know, the fans are really hopped up on it. So it's a new show and they're very excited and they've just discovered it, and you know, the energy is very high, and I find with like Gray's fans.
The energy is very steady. It's very calm.
They're like, ah, welcome to our family, and I'm like, oh, thanks, I'm so glad to be here because it truly does feel like I'm joining something that belongs to them. It doesn't belong to me the way my participation in other shows has belonged to me. In this sort of a testament to how long the show's been going for, in the dedication of its fans that they've been with it for twenty seasons, which is significant crazy.
I was going to ask, though, what was it like coming into a show that was so established and like having a cast that was so established. Was there anything like your first day being on set? Was there this feeling of intimidation going on? Or was it like, I mean.
Absolutely, Like any time you join a show later on post its inception, like with you know, teen Wolf Once upon a time, there's always a little bit of anxiety and a little bit of nerves. You don't know what kind of dynamic you're coming into. All what places ever have interesting in different personalities, none more so than acting. You know, a lot of us are eccentric. There are a lot of very strong personalities in acting, and you really never know. You never know what you're going to get. Like is everyone a big family and you're going to feel kind of left.
Out a little bit?
You always feel left out a little bit initially or does everybody kind of like do their own thing? Where do you fit in? Who your friends are going to be? It's like it's like starting a new school. You're like, who am I going to be friends with?
You?
What is the most welcoming when you like your first day.
Everyone was very welcoming.
To be honest, like, we were all very pleasantly surprised, and the five of us coming in, we had all met, and Midori Francis was like, we should all have an intern dinner because us five are joining at the same time. And I think for a lot of the like older but sort of more recent cast, they came in one of the time, they didn't come in a group, and I think that is more intimidating than coming in with an influx a few people, because all five of us had dinner and we were like, right, you're cool, you're cool, you're cool, you're cool, You're cool. Okay, except for Niko. We've all been doing this for a very long time and he's our sweet little angel baby that we all baby even though we shouldn't because he's a grown man. But you know, he's new to actings. This is this second job ever, and we're like, he's just one of those people that has like the luck of the gods just shining upon him at all times, and well deserved because he's a perfect little honey bunch. But we all went right, Okay, no matter what happens, we're in this together. It's the five of us. We've got each other's back. If you know, if one of us needs something, we all come together. So it doesn't it doesn't matter what the vibe is on set. We've got each other. I got you, you got me. We'll just make a little packed right here and right now.
We're good.
And then we went on to set and it was it was really everyone was just really lovely, really lovely, and really welcoming and very kind and held a lot of space for us. Chandra gave us a few really wonderful sort of like speeches about you know, the fans and respects for the fans, and and Camilla was like, look, just to warn you, the fans might not like you for the first year or two, but they will come around.
They're very devoted to the show. They're devoted to the.
Show, So anyone knew that comes in and might like disturb the piece or take some time and space away from their favorites, they might not be chill with you initially, but you'll grow on them.
Don't worry about it. Yeah, you know, it.
Was good advice.
Yeah.
I mean I've watched it since I was in high school, and it's like everyone knew every time they brought new people.
You're like, oh, not truly, because you want more airtime for your favorite characters and your favorite storylines.
And you're like, I did not like Joe Wilson when she came in, And now she's.
Like she was like, people hated me, and I'm like, I can't imagine that because I feel like you're so funny and so wonderful.
Yeah that's true.
She's like, yeah, no, they love me now. I just you know, you're you're invading their home. Yeah, you're invading their home. It's like you know when you bring a new puppy and your older dog is.
Like, what the fuck is this?
Like it takes some minutes to adjust. You're disturbing the peace, and they'll get over it. But everyone was really really kind and really lovely, and not all sets are like that. Yeah, they're not necessarily like mean to you, but everybody has their own lives and their own things going on, and you know, adults and families, and not everybody has time to be as kind as they would perhaps want to be, or invest time in people who might not necessarily be there for a long time. I mean, we signed a series regular, so that's a little different, but for guests or reoccurring guests. And we had this on Rain where we'd have people come in for a couple of episodes and we would take them out for drinks because we had such a big cast, and the theory was they'll get along with someone and then they'll have a friend, because coming into a new show you don't know anyone in like a different city or a different country can be really intimidating and really lonely.
You know, it was, it was.
It was great.
Like I think, I think we expected to take a little bit longer to adjust, but.
We didn't.
Down to our producers and our you know, showrunner and all of our writers were just they were on us.
They were great.
They put us through medical boot camp and they were like, wimssimilate you as quickly uncomfortably as possible, and they and they did.
We just like slotted right in.
They made space for us and it was very comfortable.
Good.
Yeah, I think having the like everyone coming in together, like you said, having a group probably made it so much easier, having like that experience.
Yeah, it made it easier for all of us because we were just like cool, wear our own little unit and we have our storylines and whatever, so you know, come what may. If everyone's wonderful and kind of welcoming, excellent.
Come what.
We love you, and till lot.
I need to rewatch that movie.
I don't know what was that the Muppets. That was the Muppets.
Okay, I've never heard anybody say come man. I was like, I just came over me. I couldn't not be.
As they've become disaster.
But I'm glad you knew it because that would have been really.
You would have been by yourself. You've not been here.
We have two very important questions.
Okay, it was my important question. I don't know if we have the same one. But my important question is at the end of this last season, there was a very I felt very shocked by it, a moment between Mika and Jewels where there was almost a kiss, it felt like. And the whole lead up to this was that you were with men dating men right on the show. And it was a shock, I think to everybody one but we know Madori's leaving the show, well was it?
It was a shock, yes.
But then there was also a conversation with blue Or where we're discussing dating and I mentioned because I had brought that up as well, where I was like, we need to we need to make sure that like this isn't like, oh my gosh, she like it doesn't have to be a whole awakening. I'd like to treat this like it isn't a big deal. So when I came out, I told, you know, my friends and my family and they were like, we know, what.
Do you mean?
I thought everybody knows, and I was like, oh, right, right, right, r right. So we do have a conversation where I reference an ex girlfriend, and I was like, I want to drop that in there and for it to just be like, it's there, it's canon. It doesn't have to be a big deal, because I don't think that those should be huge conversations anymore. I think it should just be like, yeah, right, cool, it doesn't have it like as we move towards like a more inclusive society, like she is canonically bisexual, as am I and I I was really excited at the potential development of that relationship into something like possibly romantic one because I haven't had the opportunity to play a queer character on screen. It's really wonderful to feel like I finally get to sort of represent myself in a very visible way on such a huge show. It's very exciting for me. And also I just I love working with Midori and as like another queer woman. I you know, we've had conversations about it where she's like, she's done a lot of queer storylines with heterosexual women, and she was very excited at the possibility because like we're both queer, and it's just so much easier kind of like you know, like it would it would be a lot easier, and it would be a wonderful time to work with such an exceptional talent and get to develop a really beautiful, heartbreaking storyline with someone I consider one of my good friends. If I was if I was able to have that opportunity in this new season, and yes, because she is leaving, it could potentially maybe be either very heartwarming or also extremely hard breaking, maybe a bit of both, if hypothetically that was something that the show to explore.
Wow, as a fellow bisexual, I would love a storyline like that truly, but I can't.
Tell you anything.
So yeah, Wow, Well that's that was more than anyone ever gives us from the Grace world.
So I respect of that, and then this question is going to be very easy. But we need to know what your toxic trait is.
But not we don't need to try that need to be traumatic.
But.
I know exactly.
I mean, I'm always five to ten minutes late as well, but that's part as a personality trait and an ADHD. Think that I've been really working on. My toxic trait is that I am a monster when I'm hungry. Like that is my most toxic trait. And the toxic part about it is I don't know that I'm hungry until and I just start copying in attitude and I don't know that I'm copying an attitude. I don't notice it. And some of my friends have started just like feeding me ahead of time because they clock it before I do. And they'll be like, I'm gonna like swingering McDonald's and get some nuggets. Do you want anything? And I'm like no, and they're like, I'm gonna get you something anyway, and they'll just get it for me. And then I start eating and I'm like, oh, oh, I was hungry and they're like, yeah, you're being a bitch, and I was like what, I'm so nice and they're like, no, you're not when you're hungry. And half the time I'm like, oh, that's why some people find me scary and intimidating, a standoffish sometimes because they've met me when I'm at an event and I had, like I've had a small dinner and where two hours in because I'm gonna dress some spanks and whatever, and I'm hungry. And when I'm hungry, I go dead silent and I have resting bitch fays, Like there are a bunch of people out there who just think I'm a dick because they've only met me when I'm hungry and I'm like practically nonverbal. That is my toxic trait.
It actually severely impacts my life. And now that out there so people know.
As people get to know me, they're like, oh, that's why you got snacks all the time. Yeah, And I'm like, yes, yeah, actually that's why I have snacks all the time.
Yeah.
I have to.
Constantly By the time I know I'm hungry, it's too late.
Yeah, but I'll be doing laundry for my girlfriend and I and there will be snacks, like actual snacks in her pockets, and I'm like, why did did you not feel this when you were And she's like, you know, I have to have my like emergency snacks.
Put them in the washing.
Yes, I always have a granola bar or like a packet of granola bar.
Just yeah, I mean she is you know, she'll have big pockets, big pockets.
We keep getting the.
Wraps so much fun. Stay stay well fed.
I'm actually going to a snack right now.
Thank you so much.
Thank you.
It was a pleasure to the old time.
All right, everybody, we have Jake forrelling. Thanks for having me back in the hour a scrubbing in bet yeah.
Scrub It's been a while though. I've missed you.
Guys.
We're really going to miss you.
I know, everybody, How did it happen?
Do you know what?
I'm always the last. I have no idea what happened, but I know that we're shooting some really cool episodes to sort of round out the levi of it all. And are you going to die?
I mean I hope not, because then you come back.
Yeah, although now even if you die, apparently you can come back to ghost I do joke because I don't know if Meredith Gray is ever going to be like dreaming about Levi's So we'll see if he ends up at the ghost speech.
But yeah, how did you feel about the storyline with Nico coming back and having a partner and having a baby because I was upset.
I the trauma was thick in my body as well, because you know that, you know that like drop in your heart when you like run into an X. It was like that times eleven because he was having the relationship that Levi I always wanted with him and that he said he didn't want or couldn't communicate. So yeah, it was pretty dramatic, but I think, you know, it was a cool way to end that romance and sort of put a cap on it. I thought he might come back with some like issues with the baby, but we'll see.
I mean, we hope not, but we pray, we pray that's not the case.
But I was mad.
I was thinking like that, like I can't think of a worse feel like in real life. I felt that, like like you said, that feeling of you see someone that you wanted everything with and they were like I can't do it with you, and then they do it with.
Someone else, yes, And then he says like I haven't met anyone who's like as kind as awesome as my new partner. I was like, what are you saying to me?
Was horrible.
I just feel like you've been a part of Grace for so many years, and is there anything or anyone in particular that you're going to be like staying in touch with, Like, who are the people that you're really gonna like?
No, we we we saw pictures of them from all time.
Last night, I know we were with Camilla and Jess right before were they going to dinner with.
You could have just snuck in, I mean we were sitting on the batio. But but yeah, I mean so j c Elliott is my best friend in real life, and we played best friends obviously on the show. So her and I there's there's going to be We're not going to miss a beat. Camilla, I'm obviously going to keep in contact with. We have such like a good bond. And then all these new interns too. We hang out all the time. So yeah, Alexis, Floyd and I are really really close. So I think I think these relationships are going to go on past and then you know, hopefully we'll see Leavy back.
Yeah, did you I'm trying to remember, but it's been so many seasons. Was Leva the first gay man that they showed their storyline?
Yeah?
And what season was that that this show?
So season fifteen is when we find out that he's queer, and when they started.
That is so crazy because we have Kelly in Arizona. But then it took it took Calsna.
Thank you, Yeah, get it right.
But you're such an iconic role for you to I mean, to have that, to be that representation for people.
Yeah, it's been wild.
And then being queer personally too, it's been so rewarding to get to step into the queer community in that way and to be able to talk to so many queer people and share the experience with them. It's been wonderful.
Were you excited when Jac's character Helm Hell, when she came out it's queer, It was queer on the show.
Yeah, it was funny and she was like we always knew she was obsessed with Meredith been getting I thought it might just be like a you know, like a school girl. She was in love.
She might still be.
I love that.
I love that your best friends.
I keep pitching that we do some like big gay episode where we go to Capitol Hill, which is like a queer neighborhood in Seattle, and but they keep turning it down. I think they don't want to build another bar. They're like, we'll just do it a jos. I'm like, come on, build a bar, Build the bar.
Build the gay bar.
Been twenty one season or twenty seasons?
Build the bar? What's next for you?
Like, what are you even looking forward to?
You know what I've been doing. Missus Debbie Allen Catherine fox right. She's also our producing director, so she chooses all the directors. She's we know, she's like a great teacher, dance teacher, all this stuff. She has her school. I've been shadowing her as a director. So I just got off an episode shadowing her. I've done it twice. I shouted some of the other directors.
So do you just ask them? Can I shadow you? And they're like yeah, sure.
Yeah, I mean it's you know a little bit more diffic, but yeah, essentially Debbie. Essentially, essentially, it's a conversation with Debbie and then she decides whether or not she thinks you're a good candidate for it.
And there's a whole.
List of like people that want to people waiting, but I think, you know, obviously being an actor on the show, you have a little bit more of an inh but but yeah, so so it was a conversation with her, and she's been incredible and so generous with her knowledge, and so that is one big next step for me is moving into the directing. I'm going to be doing a short this January, and hopefully I could come back at some point and direct an episode of Graze.
That would be so cool. I love that they do that because I feel like a lot of the actors get a chance to be behind the camera.
There's a lot Kevin McKidd, Jesse Williams, Chandra Wilson, a lot of people have Yeah.
It's so cool.
Is it?
Like people get the bug and they're like, I want to. I want to I want to be the one in control back. I fare so.
And also, I mean, the show's on for so long, there's so many episodes, so for like an outside director coming in, there's so much like onboarding that you would have to do to get into the show, where like we've been there the whole time, and so we know everything that's happened, we know all the storylines, we know the actors personally, so I think there's a little bit of an advantage there as well.
Do you ever have like I was just thinking about this, I could never be an actress because I feel like I would be concerned about what the where the angle was hitting me.
Oh my gosh, that would be That would Does anyone ever think about that when.
It's like definitely and there's like you you you know where the cameras are so that you can sort of cheat to them or cheat away from them depending on what the scene is, and you know, it's definitely important. I think when I'm acting, I try to turn that director brain off then and I try to just be in the scene and let them, let them capture what they capture, you know what I mean, and try to just like like unFocus my eyes to whatever is in the background, because usually it's just like a dude in the crew like eating a doughnut or whatever. It's like, it's not just the cameras, it's like fifty people just like waiting for them, just.
Picturing Tony and I as extras, because you know, that was our thing. We were like trying to.
Be knocking down that door. Just Debbie, did.
You ever get on.
We did on set, like right before the pandemic. One of our listeners worked on on the lott Yeah, she got us a tour and we wore scrubs. Everyone. They were like, are you all extras were like, no, we can't.
Guest stars come in like you can play sisters like something horrible.
Podcast host yea, you know it's like something tragic happened during the middle of the episode.
And the microphone, Yeah, that's very grace and.
Yeah, the mic goes through both of our stomachs.
Like yeah, yeah, well I was just thinking Tony and I would be like looking at the camera.
We do we do sometimes honestly, there's like huge lighting setups that they can only do for like certain scenes, and obviously the more light the better people look. So sometimes people will like try to cheat into that really good light setup so that they look good.
They like extra in the corner when we were We talked to Jessica and Camilla last night and they were talking about the intimacy coordinators. Oh yeah, so have they been there since you.
Know, so I meant intimacy coordinators. I think I've been around for a while, but they're they're just now within the last like maybe four or five years really really getting integrated into the film world. So I would say probably like halfway through Levi's relationship with Nico, we started getting intimacy coordinators. But yeah, they're very they're very helpful.
It's just hard because it's like you don't know how you like, when you're kissing someone in real life, you're not thinking about how it looks right.
Right, But like how detailed do they get?
Like I mean, some of them will get really detailed. Other ones are kind of just like, hey, I have mints if you need them. So it's like sort of you get the whole gamut. And it's really based on I think the actors comfortability. So if they know, like, oh, these these two guys are comfortable, like I'll just be like the mint person. But if it's if it's you know, they're a more intense scene, then they'll be right there in rehearsal, like right by the camera watching everything and who yeah and yeah, putting their input. It's it's also they're really good like liaison between the actors and the directors too, so that no one feels.
Right being like that doesn't look good. Like if they can be like that doesn't look great or whatever. Yea, in real life? Are you in a relationship?
I'm not.
Are you on the apps?
I'm not on the apps. I've recently got out of like a really lovely, nice, sort of long relationship and we're sharing our dog and we're we're still very close, and so I think we're just I'm sitting in that g right, Yeah, because dog. It's great. We love our dog. He's so cute.
Like what's how's the sharing?
It's we just we share him back and forth and.
We just one day, one day or.
Like we don't really have like a full schedule. Yeah, it's a lot of times like if he's working, I'll take the dog. If I'm working, we'll take the dog. Like I'm we're in Chicago right now, so he you know, shadows with him and yeah, it's just.
Have like a amicable situation.
Yeah, but the both love him so much. He's so handsome. He's a German shepherd. He's a German shepherd.
Have you heard of them?
They're like they're they're like the normal German shepherd coloring, but then they have like very white cheeks and beautiful like black eyeliner and like white white gloves.
And you feel very protected having him because I have a Pomeranian.
It's a little different. He looks terrifying, but we like sleep together.
He's very sweet.
Well, I cannot wait to see what you do next. I'm like so sad that you're leaving. It's like the whole Gray's way is that you can't get too attached to anyone.
Because yeah, as an actor, you can't get too comfortable, which is but I know, yeah, let's start a campaign save Schmidt.
Oh my gosh, petition.
I was filming the other day and I was covered in blood. I'm not going to tell you why savely Schmidt.
You heard it here, okay, But before you go, if there was if you, I don't want you to die, but if you died, or if you died or had a near death experience, if LEVI died or had a near death experience. I think we asked you this last time, what would you if you got to choose it, would you want it to be like a classics.
Like a long, slow death.
For a couple of seasons, like.
Not not coma.
I want I want to have some lines, you know what I mean, Like, yeah, something really long, maybe old eight.
Oh wow, yeah, yeah, maybe it jumps.
Yes, it just jumps fifty years. We probably don't even need a jump. But show will probably still be on in fifty years. Zola will be like Jeeps at the hospital. She'll be like believe I will be dying of old age.
Yeah, okay, sign the petition to keep Leevi till old age. Yes, yeah, well, thank you for here. Have much fun at the epic con and toxic.
Oh my talk to Trae. Is I love sleeping in so like I Honestly, when I was younger, I used to have dream days where I would set on alarm every fifteen minutes for not even joking, like five hours, and I would wake up every fifteen minutes so that I could like get my dream going. And so I still love sleeping in on like days I'm not working, I will be in bed like we're not hanging out.
Does that not interrupt the.
That's exactly what it does. It interrupts them citle, So then you can you can remember your dreams.
Then aren't you more tired?
Yeah, but it's so fun. It's toxic.
I did that too. I literally used to set my alarm I'd have to be up at seven. I'd set it for four, so I was like, I have three hours with just weird weird.
Yeah.
I did that mind to the minute, like it's literally like the minute I have to wake up, like forty seven, Like.
Whatever, No, same, I'm with you. I love sleep, We love you so much. Thank you for taking time. This so good to see you. All right, everybody, we have Skylar asked and Scrubby.
Yeah, welcome to the war baby, happy to be here.
Have you.
We were with Jessica Capshaw andk Mill Luddington last night and they speak so highly of you. Oh.
I love them so very much. They're the best. I did their podcast too, and we just like it was one of those things where I was like, is this now a three person podcast and we're about to do this every week? Oh yeah, they're the best.
I love that.
It's so fun when you go on another podcast and you have chemistry at the house and you're like, I can do this.
A third totally. Well. We were doing a lot of like fan questions too, and I was giving these like male perspectives on things, but it wasn't just like growie male perspectives. So she was like, wait, we kind of need to have you around because this is super helpful because I like to give like the unconventional kind of answers and not just like.
We love it.
Do you have a couple of those relationship advice.
It's funny because we do these things called the mantle, and so it's like a man panel, right, and uh, you are solo today. You know, there's no man panels. You're it's a solo man.
Man, you're the man the mantle.
But it's true because I think a lot of our listeners are scrubbers, are either dating, trying to find somebody, or newly. I feel like they're like newly in the.
First seasons like iss, dating married and get all of it. Yeah, so I we always like to get advice because people, you know, FLEs perspective, a male's perspective.
Perspective between the two of us, it's one with a woman.
But I know that's really eliminated the need of male advice.
Right, you could talk about dating a woman though, oh yeah, and we do, we do.
Yeah, yeah, But I am curious advice in terms of it being in the industry that you're in and having a lot of women and female attention, what is it that you've done differently in your dating life that's just been you know that you would give advice to, or something that you did that you would not recommend and have changed.
I just feel like, in general, I try to always never approach it from like, well, now that I'm in the industry or now that I'm a public figure. I try to just like cut to the core of it and just think about like how I was raised, how like my mother taught me to treat people and how to be treated. And you know, I've made some mistakes. I mean, for sure, like I've been in situations where I've given too much of the benefit of the doubt at times, and I've even gotten in situations where you stay in something a bit too long. But I feel like I'm also good at giving others advice because it's sometimes hardest to take the advice that you would give yourselves. I've definitely like been in therapy in my life, being like and I know if my friend was going through this, what I would say, but for some reason it feels different or for some reason to do this for myself, which is true an interesting thing, So I feel like it would be an interesting practice easier said than done to kind of give yourself advice the way you would give your best friend advice.
Yeah, do you think that that's a tailtale sign of a good guy if he has a good relationship with his mom.
As someone who's mom's boy, I would say yes. I also would say that, you know, I think it's also a bit of a red flag when the partner has an issue with that too, because I think that people can you know, if anyone's ever trying to take you from your family, unless if they are a toxic family and they're doing it for the you know, but that's not the case in my situation. So I feel like that's that's not a trait that you should go for if you find yourself kind of losing a bit of yourself or losing other relationships in your life. You know, relationships should be additive and it should only you know, improve, And sure there's like different dynamics when there's families involved, of course, but like I think, you know, in general, that should be something that should be appreciated by the spouse.
Yeah, appreciated and celebrated totally. Yeah, switching gears because last time we talked to Camilla about when you were on Gray's Anatomy, and I saw a clip of y'all of the podcast you did with them, where you were talking about how how she thought that you were going to be Joe's person endgame.
Honestly, why not?
Well, it's like the boring answer is the fact that I had booked a pilot, and so the gracious writers of Grey's Anatomy were like, we can't have you be in two places at once, and so they kind of like unceremoniously wrote me off in a way that was just not what we were building towards as actors. Whether the writers were like no, dude, you were always a bit temporary, Like I don't know if they thought we were endgame, but they were definitely writing towards love Camilla and I were certainly playing that.
Yeah, so when you got that, when you got the role in Grays, you didn't have so helped me Todd yet No, no.
But I was playing a character named Todd on Grays.
Ironically, Yeah, that is manifest.
It's or just it's in my contract now I happen to be named Yes, I maybe I did manifest actually, but we were Yeah, it was just this typical like beet cute, you know kind of scenes where I was playing the brother of a patient and then our characters kind of hit it off. And then I think Camilla was also loving it too and telling the writers like because I think she's just had a lot of these like tumultuous torture relationships on the show, and she's liked, please keep him. This is just so nice to play. It's so earnest, it's sweet. Like there will be conflict down the line, I'm sure, but but he's so solid and I loved playing that character. And then yeah, just once I booked that show, it was like the next script was, well, I was supposed to do like a couple a few more, and then it turned into like two more, and then it turned into like one and a half, and then it turned into like here's the episode.
You're like, you guys, don't have to cut it that short.
He could have been cut literally. I was like, I'm not leaving for another couple of months. But yeah, he became a stage five clinger, Like he became this guy that while he was like so supportive and so the greatest boyfriend, he then was becoming just like get him away from me. So it was like sad too, because you know now, like Soame Toad isn't happening anymore, and so we could totally rekindle it, and I think Milla wants that. I would love that too, But thankfully they didn't make him so horrible, Like he's not a.
Murder right right.
Right, Maybe he has a side of that story that we can and learn about in later episodes, well right our way around.
I'm curious though, So if you're on a show like that and there's you're like, there's potential where I could become a series regular, because that happens Jessica and Camilla were both guest stars and then became series regulars. And then you get an offer for a pilot? Is there are you having to make that decision of like do I see if this goes somewhere or do I just take something that's for sure.
I like to take something that's for sure, although a pilot isn't for sure either, So I think that was the whole thing, is like, let me do this pilot. If it gets picked up, then I'll do this show if not. Also, there wasn't, to be clear, there wasn't like an offer on the table for grades it just was going very well. Yeah, and they kept adding the number of episodes that I was doing, so it was and I was having so much fun. The cast is amazing, The crew there is so incredible and warm and dialed in, and they shoot it in Silver Lake, which is the place I love is. I never get to shoot things in La so I said, this is the best gig ever. And yeah, just the people were so lovely, so I I was totally open to doing it as much as they'd have me and still still kind of am so late.
I love it all.
We're talking about these past days or petitions, Yeah, okay, bringing people back, bring shows back, or all petitions.
There are a lot of petitions. There's a lot of folks here at Epicon that were actually talking about bringing so help Me Todd back. There were tons of entries and petitions and things like that, and sometimes they work, but in our case, the show just couldn't be saved for a bunch of reasons. Yeah, we're so above all of the petition's heads.
Unfortunately, when you do events like this is pitch perfect where people I got to.
Say, today has been really split. It's been really nice too, because I expect pitch perfect. It's like a huge, you know, franchise, and I love it, and it's definitely the gift that keeps on giving. But I always appreciate like the deeper cuts or or people love the show I was on called It's always Extraordinary playlist and so helped me Todd and now Gray's Anatomy since there's a lot of Grays. How people here some of my theater stuff, so it is kind of nice. And people had some like shirts of shows that I've done, or like shirts that they made of which was kind of sweet. So yeah, I know the people here are really sweet and warm. But yeah, i'd say the majority is always pitch perfect.
Yeah, I would say that too. That's we were saying, how when people.
Develop, it's the first time they see you.
Yeah, they fall in love. They Yeah, So that's that's always their special place.
You be Jesse in their hearts, which is fine. There's a lot of worse things than people. I could be so grateful for it.
What's your favorite medium? Do you movies? TV? Shows? Do you you do Broadway?
Yeah?
I saw you were and I saw you just recently did a show or performance with Ben Platt.
We love he's bested. Yeah, he's a Broadway boy just like I am. We actually met before Pitch Perfect doing like a workshop of a of like a Broadway kind of thing, So that's kind of how we know each other as total theater boys. I don't know which one I love more because they all inform the other. For me now, so much like my bread and butter was always Broadway. That's all I thought I would ever do. And then once I kind of stepped over into TV and film, I kind of fell in love with that in a different way. And it's different challenges that it presents and different rewards that it presents. It's a different kind of grind than theater, and I can't say one's harder, though. I feel like if you'd never done TV, and if you've never done theater and you've only done TV and film, it's a little bit harder to just now take that to an audience, do it without any cuts from start to finish, knowing what that's like, how to kind of cover on the spot in that live aspect of it is.
It could be.
Tricky if you'd never done that, But coming the way that I did from theater to film, it was it was not that bad of an adjustment because I had the luxury of being able to do it more than once. And I also then liked the idea of putting the huzzle together kind of like you start in the middle and then you do scenes kind of all around. And yeah, it's a it's been a learning experience. But every time I do one, I'm itching to do the other. So something like I just did TV, I want to do like something on stage. I missed that and so yeah, I couldn't part with either.
No multi hyphen it.
I'm a multi hiphene.
Yeah, as you should be when you.
Do TV shows or movies. Are you like, are do you feel like you're drawn to characters who have a singing element?
I feel like I am written towards that a lot. Like I feel like there's been a lot of situations where I have not The character that I signed up to play was not a singer, And then in the next draft of the script, I'm like, why does he have an a cappella group on the side that we've never discussed previously.
We should what we should do is we should have them do another Grays musical episode.
And yeah, I know, thank you so much.
Agree with that, so I know, right, I talked to her actually about that. I was so so I would so do that. I always like to me, I like to do what I sign up for, no matter what that is. So generally when I sign up to do a musical, I'm like, let's do all the songs, let's let's dance our butts off. But sometimes when it's like, hey, this wasn't here, now it's here, what's that Like, That's not how this works? So because because I do, Because I think one of the better parts about for me, like as an actor, doing my last role on So Help Me Todd, was that I got to show people that I can do comedy and like do all sorts of stuff and not have to sing. Cool if Todd sang, but I don't think that that's what that character would do. So it was nice to not have to do that. Yah or else. People are like, you're useless if you're not singing, and I don't. I don't think I'm fully useless without singing.
No, you have many other talents before you go, yes, what is your toxic trait? But it's not that it's not.
Funny.
I like, don't close cabinets.
Oh, goody, I am marrying a man like you, and I don't understand it.
It's just one more inch forward.
Can I help improve your marriage potentially?
Yes?
Okay, here's why he might be doing it. Here's my neurotic way of why I do it. I'll take something out and in my head, I'm like, I need something else from there, just not right now. So then I will continue to do it, and then eventually it just kind of stays open. I don't know if that helps or not, but it comes from a good place. I am telling you. There's this like I don't leave a fridge open because that's that's that's another issue. Now you've spoiled all of our food for our family. But no, there's that cabinet feeling of like I don't I don't know why that is, but I know where I'm coming from. And when I say it out on a podcast, it doesn't make sense. But I don't think it helps your marriage or myself. But I'm telling you that's where it comes from and and and that's that's at least why I do it.
There's your relationship from the man doesn't mean to my more, nut Meg, I'm so sorry. That's okay, so great talking here. Thank you for stopping by.
My pleasure.
Everybody, well, please welcome back Jason dra Yeah. Wow, that was exciting. The fans were like crazy for y'all out there.
They are no joke, it was.
It was funny because I didn't you know, y know that that phrase that you know, the catchphrase nineteen Yeah, like we everybody thought it was not going to be this weird, corny thing, and like the first time we did it on the show, I had to find a way to do it that made it not feel like and now we're going to come up with a rallying cry, you know. And then it turned into the rallying cry. And like when you get a crowd like that in that room and you say it, they all yell it back. It became a cool thing when you got care on said it was like the twelve of us, Yeah, we yell it, and that feels like, yeah, we're gonna go fight a fire team, you know. Yeah, But when like you know, a few hundred people yelling at.
You, that's kind of dope. It's crazy, it's kind of cool.
It's cool.
We've talked about this so much, we've been here.
We love you so much.
But also you were my first you're the first ever scrubbing in.
I even came into the picture.
Yeah, before Tanya, there was Jason.
Ye.
Nobody asked me to co host the show. So I'm just saying, oh.
Wow, you've been pretty busy. I think you'd be hard to get into the.
Studio another job.
Yeah, I'm all, hey, we have a spin off of Gray's Anatomy. You want to be a part, It's only audio. Just would you have a great voice?
Well? Thank you? Yeah, this is what this is about. Normal.
This morning, it was like even worse because I want to sleep. At like three o'clock. Last night we were watching the Fight.
Yeah, yeah, I was gonna say anything else are you when you come to things? Because you are. You have such a special place in our hearts as not only Gray's Anatomy, but all the Station nineteen fans like you're such a like a legend on.
This like a Shondaland Darling.
Yeah.
I will take it. I will take it. Yeah, And I get that.
And it's like, but you know who's really got that mantle now? Katie Low's Scandal. Yeah, she did another series for she did Inventing Anna that's right. So like we joke about, like I was like, I think you're Shonda's favored now.
No, once you you got once you get a streaming one of her Netflix shows, one of Shonda's Netflix shows, you get a Sash. We're getting you, ah darling, Sash the Ambassador.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm trying to look. Hey, I want to show up on Bridgerton.
Yeah.
But when when Station nineteen, when y'all found out it was gonna be the last season, did you know that you would be like, well, I'm were you like, I'm cool because I'm going back to crazy?
No, not at all, not at all.
I actually was like I was like, yo, well this may be the end of Bend because I was like, you know, because look, I mean, as you see look, you know, people die in Shondaland right like below, the characters can die, and sometimes that creates more story for the characters to stick around, right, And I was like, you know, Bailey, you know, with three kids on our own, yaha, YadA, Yeah, I was. I was like, that's an interesting story. I don't know, I don't know. So I was like I didn't I didn't know what to expect.
And I didn't think. I didn't.
I also, at a certain point later in the season, I thought they're not going to end on that kind of a sour note kind of thing, so I thought, okay, so so maybe there's a chance. And then we had some conversations and then I knew that it'd be happening in some way fashion.
Did you share with the other casts that were like, not I'm going to be returnable.
It's weird, right, But no, it was like, you know, uh, they all kept saying you're going to go back to Grace and I was like, I don't know that, and I genuinely was like I don't know. Yeah, and then uh, and then we started having the conversations and I was like, I didn't know what's a level it would be. I was like, you know, you know, Jesse Williams guest stars once or twice a season. You know, it's like they might be like, yeah, you can come back every once in a while, and I'm like, so then I got to go find a job, you know, brother, brother needs a suite, regular check. And we got three K, three kids and the mortgage, and then it just became a thing where it was clear that like, no, we really do want you back to be an integral part of this, which I was psyched for the big for me because like even more than I love Ben, I love Binley. Yeah, been ab able to get that relationship for me is like I love what it represents a television like you know, a black couple have been together forever, like through thick and thin, can drive each other crazy. We'll never leave each other, like you know, they're like, you know you'll die before not kill you. I won't kill you, but you'll die before I leave you. You might sleep on the couch for the next year, but you know we'll work. We'll work through whatever the problems are. I love representing that uh in television, And so I was just I was just happy that like they want to keep that going.
Yeah, me too.
Yeah, I feel like you've been in like the Grey's Land for how many seasons now?
Well, according to Chandra Wilson, who was like encyclopedic knowledge of Grace, which really is like scary sometimes like her and Meg Marinis, the current show runner, they both like know everything.
This is scary that I love that.
Of Like I really want to see that, like in fact it at d twenty three there was almost a challenge, like he was asking her, like, do you know what when what this person's first line was, this person's first surgery wasn't Meg generally knew it? That's Soandra knows that kind of stuff too. Chandra told me that season six is when Ben showed up. That's crazy to see something like fifteen years.
Okay, so you've been in that.
You've been in a lot of I'm using the right word iterations of Gray's cast so much. He loves the big word. She'll throw all the big word, but we never know if it's the right right.
I get it right though, I'll use.
It multiple times this episode iterations now yeah, yeah, yeah. So since you've seen so many iterations of the cast, who would you say, is like your best friend on like from the Grays cast?
Oh? Me Jason or Ben's no you Jason me Jason? Oh wow, that's oh best friend? That's like?
What do you hang with outside? Oh?
You like McKidd and I will hang out a bit.
Oh we're we're fans, now ya McKidd is.
Here's the best Kevin mckid's story ever.
My car, for whatever reason started acting up, and I you know, while We're at work and the transport guys. It was late in the evening. Most of the transport guys had already left. So I'm like, you know, I'll just uber Homer whatever. We had a late scene. We're going late, like, we're gonna wrap probably around like after midnight. We know that the day was just getting worse because the surgery, and so keV was like, you know what I live in We live in the same neighborhood.
We're both in that. You know.
He's like, so I'll give you right home. I was like, cool, man, I appreciate it. And then the way they're shooting the scene, keV wrapped around twelve thirty and left, and I was like, cool, you know, I'll just grab a cab or whatever. I wrap about two, like an hour and a half later, I go back to trailers. Kevin McKidd is sitting in his truck. The man was waiting on me. I was like, what the hell are you doing here? He said, I was gonna give you a ride. And I was like, you may be one of the better people I have ever met, not just in Hollywood but in this world.
I love kid. But then you've got like Jay Hayden is.
We love We did a panel with him yesterday and we loved it. We loved it.
Everybody loves them some J Hayden.
Honestly, the dynamic of Station nineteen would have been a very, very very different place without Jay Hayden. He brings a level of heart that nobody's ready for because he's making everybody laugh so much, and then he'll turn around and like pierce you in the gut with like, you know, a really heartfelt moment kind of thing, and that's just Jay, not even you know. And then he brought that on, you know, to the camera, you know, and so you know, yeah, I mean everybody in that cast brought something different and I love him all for different reasons. Boris is you know my boy. Like we was you know, the uh you know, the Black Male Leading Man Club. We've known each other. It's funny because like Shamar is here too, you know, we've all seen each other and been dancing around each other and all been up for the same jobs and that sort of thing and known each other and been cool. And it's you and you hit a spot where you realize, if I use my competition, you make yourself nuts and it's also it's it's it's scarcity mentality, it's you know, and.
It's not useful.
So you just get cool with everybody and and you're like, hey man, you see yo yo, who got that thing?
But you know, oh yeah, that's good man. I enjoys that. Good luck with that.
And then Boris and I finally got to work together on this, and I was like, I like this brother so much.
Like we said, we just caught up at the US Open.
Uh we did because you know, he he had went to college on a tennis scholarship, so I knew that he would probably be uh yeah. We do a lot of uh, we do a lot of tip. My wife was a big tennis fan, has made me a tennis nuts. So we we go. We've into winledon a few times and it's, uh, they're they're dope. They're different, very diferent, Like US Open is like very American, big, big sports, and it's like it's a blast, it's a party. Wimbledon is the most civilized thing on the planet. It's like, you know, super show. But but we were at the US Open and all of a sudden, I get a text was down on my phone and it's a photo of us while we're sitting there, and I started figuring out angles and I look and I spot Boris looking up there and he's like spine.
He's like you're looking at you. It was like stalker photo.
You're like, what angle is this? Where is this person sitting?
But like you know, but I mean, but you say best friend. It's hard because like, you know, no, I respected.
We were our twenty fifth wedding anniversary were in Italy Baron Das Carlos Boris all caught up with us and we did a you know, family with my family and my wife had friends that she's you know, best friend from like third grade and some other some of our best friends, like we all met him, had a dinner. So we had like twenty five people or twenty three people out of dinner in.
Twenty five year anniversary. Yeah yeah, yeah, tell me about that. What's the key? I know there's no like one thing, but like.
How their keys the.
Keys to write the books.
But no, it's not like we have a perfect relationship in any way.
Nobody is perfect.
Nobody does exactly and it's perfect for us. You know, you know somebody who matches you're crazy to use that phrase that everbody uses, but this is the one that I tell people. I'm the guy who comes with like the un sexy things that are like the real thing. You need to know, learn how to fight fair.
People.
When it's you know, when you're going to parties and when there's interesting things going on and the money's right and everything like that, everybody has a great time. That's how you start. Like, you know, we're dating. I'm spending money on you, you're spending You're buying me gifts, we're doing anything. You're doing special things for me, I'm doing special things for you. It's all great. But when it hits the fan and it gets stressful, and you're gonna argue. And if you're not arguing, somebody's not being honest, right, somebody's not being truthful about what's going on in their brain. You gotta you know, so it's going you're gonna argue at some point in time.
How do you fight?
Yeah with you people who don't fight fair, who say something settled and then bring it up a year later, No, we finished that. Yeah, you don't bring it up if it's not settled, don't say it settled, like and we'll actually be like, Okay, we're gonna put a pin in that, you know what.
So I resonate with that so much because my fiance and I broke up for a short period of time. We broke up for like two months, and when we got back together, I was like asking him like five thousand questions about what happened when we were broken up and who did he kiss and what did he do and da da da da, and but we.
Had already we had already decided we're going to get back together. We're going to give this another shot.
And he was like, if you And then months we'll go by and I'd keep asking more questions about who he saw and who he kissed, and he goes, if we we've made the decision that, like we are getting back together, and we talked through all these things.
We have to put that in the past. We can't keep bringing these things up. And I was like, that's such a good.
Do you really want to know? Like you think you want to know, but do you really want Yeah?
I did at the time. I did.
Oh yeah, I wanted to know like every single detail.
Yeah, you got to know if you can actually if you know, can you just handle it? And put it down right.
But then once you really once you move past that fighter, and once you move past that whatever that is, it's like, yeah, you're right, you can't keep calling back.
Well, I forgave you for this, so you need to forgive me for this. Yeah.
And the other thing in that same vein of the fight fair is I jokingly call it a safe word, you know, like not that I'm into bedis sim or anything like that, but I know people, but it's that when when an argument hits that spot.
Where it's really about crossing over.
Somebody that's about to cross the mind. Somebody's about to say something that you can't take back. You just whatever, califlower whatever that random word is that like you wouldn't normally say any sentence and that's you know, or you just literally say time out because we're about to go places.
That we can't take beast.
Yeah, and when somebody says that it's a little cold water in everybody's face. You take a half hour, and almost every time you come back and I was being an idiot, I'm sorry, and everybody's apologizing and then great sex afterwards, and so it's good.
I hate they're coming back and saying like, I'm sorry, I was dumb. That's like my least favorite. But you have to do it.
Yeah, nobody likes it, but you got to do it.
You have to do it.
I love that advice does your wife is she's just so great that you've had the same love interest on TV this many years.
Look, she got It's funny because she she I actually met her before I know I wanted to be an actor. We met in college and like before I started, you know. And so she's seen me kiss a lot of different women who are not her uh.
And educate that. Right, she's not in the industry.
She's a she's a poet uh and writer and teaches at universities and that sort of thing. And so but okay, I'll write her out on this one. I was recurring as Ben as a guest star, but I wasn't a series regular, and I've been a series regular and off the map and I was and I didn't have a series regular gig, and you know, guest star money is a fraction of what I earned as a series regular.
And we had just bought a house and it was a whole thing.
So she's like, you need to get out there, and you need to get you need to get like a contract, gig right. We're at a birthday party, a kid's birthday party, kid's birthday party, preschool, and we run into a showrunner that I know, this writer, great writer, Rina Mamoon, who was working on a show at the time called Mistresses. The show is called Mistresses, primetime show named Mistress. And she goes, oh, but you're on grades, aren't you. You're not available, And my wife just reaches across me go he's available, And I'm like, did you just pimp me out for Mistress?
Like my only job would be to get naked and just get business.
So like she's like, hey, man, get out there, little pat on the button, say go get to the street corner and make mama some money. And so, you know, so I stuck face with Alissa Milano for a couple of.
Years, you know, did what you had to do for the fan.
And this is you know, shout out to Alyssa, who is a good friend. Every dude I called I grew up with is calling me going, dude, that was my childhood. I was like, I know, I know, it's your childhood crush. Listen, I got it. I'm living your dream, I got it, keep it moving. And you know the secret secret of that one though, the whole kissing other women is just just introduce him early.
Yeah, once you meet face to face.
And she realizes that woman has no designs on your man, it's all good. She's so chill with it, like she doesn't even think about it anymore, because you know, you know, I'm coming home right.
You're taking out the trash.
Yeah, that's literally the phrase I called. I was like, just take out the trash, get the ego down.
It's not before you go. What is your toxic trait?
My toxic trade?
The non toxic version of it is, I'm long winded because I'm trying to get all the thoughts and all the you know, the facts in.
Uh.
The toxic version of it is, uh, my kids will tell you. I will speech you find on them at a heartbeat. The dad's speech is real, like I don't need to put them in. I don't need to give him put them on restriction for like a you know, a week or two weeks or a month. Like, no, you go sit here and listen to the speech forty five minutes. Now, this is shouldn't have done it in the first place.
Guess what, that's a good punishment actually, like to make them sit and just like give them this speech.
Is like speech is off the cuff like that, that's the skill.
It's you know, yeah exactly.
I'm just basically doing monologues from you know, let's see that was season three, episode four.
That's a good one. Yeah, monologues from shows I watched as a kid.
I'm gonna give you a little bit of you know, who's the boss and you know monologue.
No.
But the other the other thing is you start those those speeches. This is what the kids hate is you start them off with asking them questions. That was my mom's secret weapon questions. You're like, you know, and you really want to answer it, like, so when you stole the car in the middle of the night, and by the way, it's my car, so you did steal it, how did you think that was going to work out? And she sits and waits for an answer, and you're like, do you really want to answer? And she's like, oh, yes, yes I do. And you're like, I hate my life so much. I wish I had different parents. I had to live through that. So now they got to live through that. That's that's how that that's how the big speech starts.
Whatever they did worked on you because you were an amazing.
Human honestly, honestly, Jason, George will follow you, every follow you.
Any iteration.
Thank you.
I'm glad and it all started with me, however, good Thank you, Jason. We love you.
