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If you're just turning on the radio before ten o'clock. Our cook Niki Wicks gave us this amazing tamarillo and walnut merangue slice recipe. It should be up on the news talks he'd be website about now if you want to make that at home. It's really kind of rich and sweet. It has that tartness of the tamarillos offset with some sweetness as gorgeous. Anyway, so many of you have sent through some tamorillo tips, which are very much appreciated. For those of us who have been having a bit of a time with tamarillos over the last couple of weeks. It turns out one of the best ways to eat tamarillo's raw, if you don't want to waste any of the flesh, and given there about three thousand dollars a kilogram at the moment, this makes a lot of sense is to cover them in boiling water for just a couple of minutes and then give them a shock by putting them under cold water. You know, so you do the old hot water cold water thing and Apparently the skin slides off and so you get way better yield for your tamarillos. That's Peter's top tip anyway, Peter's top tamorillo tip, so that three times fast. Thank you very much for that, Peter, We appreciate it. Before midday on news Talks, he'd be We're going to listen to some of Sabrina Carpenter's latest album. She feels like the kind of girl after Talerswift obviously the car. I think that's fair that the girl of pop music at the moment. So we'll play you some of her new album as well as that. A brand new book from Lee Child. Can't wait for that, friend of the show. Lee Child has a new readout, so our book review is going to give us all the details right now. It is nine minutes past eleven and Google Sutherland from Umbrella Well Being is with us this morning. Calder Doogle Cura.

If you're just turning on the radio before ten o'clock. Our cook Niki Wicks gave us this amazing tamarillo and walnut merangue slice recipe. It should be up on the news talks he'd be website about now if you want to make that at home. It's really kind of rich and sweet. It has that tartness of the tamarillos offset with some sweetness as gorgeous. Anyway, so many of you have sent through some tamorillo tips, which are very much appreciated. For those of us who have been having a bit of a time with tamarillos over the last couple of weeks. It turns out one of the best ways to eat tamarillo's raw, if you don't want to waste any of the flesh, and given there about three thousand dollars a kilogram at the moment, this makes a lot of sense is to cover them in boiling water for just a couple of minutes and then give them a shock by putting them under cold water. You know, so you do the old hot water cold water thing and Apparently the skin slides off and so you get way better yield for your tamarillos. That's Peter's top tip anyway, Peter's top tamorillo tip, so that three times fast. Thank you very much for that, Peter, We appreciate it. Before midday on news Talks, he'd be We're going to listen to some of Sabrina Carpenter's latest album. She feels like the kind of girl after Talerswift obviously the car. I think that's fair that the girl of pop music at the moment. So we'll play you some of her new album as well as that. A brand new book from Lee Child. Can't wait for that, friend of the show. Lee Child has a new readout, so our book review is going to give us all the details right now. It is nine minutes past eleven and Google Sutherland from Umbrella Well Being is with us this morning. Calder Doogle Cura.

Jack just funny about tamarillos. My wife eats sliced tamarillos with salt on toast with salt.

Jack just funny about tamarillos. My wife eats sliced tamarillos with salt on toast with salt.

Wow, Okay, I didn't know this is an option, so so did she have any sweetness there or whatsoever? Or just the just bread and tam.

Wow, Okay, I didn't know this is an option, so so did she have any sweetness there or whatsoever? Or just the just bread and tam.

Where you're just toast. It's like, let's that's like to have a little bit of sugar.

Where you're just toast. It's like, let's that's like to have a little bit of sugar.

Yeah, so do I.

Yeah, so do I.

Balance out of the tartness? Yeah? No, So it's I guess, different strokes for different folks.

Balance out of the tartness? Yeah? No, So it's I guess, different strokes for different folks.

Man. That's very interesting. Okay, thank you do. Godie, I'm I'm intrigued by that. I wonder if the saltiness and the tartness gives you a different kind of Amarillo experience.

Man. That's very interesting. Okay, thank you do. Godie, I'm I'm intrigued by that. I wonder if the saltiness and the tartness gives you a different kind of Amarillo experience.

Yeah. Yeah, I've never been brave enough to try it, I've got to say. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, I've never been brave enough to try it, I've got to say. Yeah.

Hey, So in the UK they've that they have been talking more and more about workers getting increasing worker rights to request four day weeks, right, yeah, and this is one of those things that has been bubbling away for a few years.

Hey, So in the UK they've that they have been talking more and more about workers getting increasing worker rights to request four day weeks, right, yeah, and this is one of those things that has been bubbling away for a few years.

I know.

I know.

The perpetual trust thing in New Zealand was was you know that we're kind of a pioneering organization when it comes to the four day working week. But on the face of it, is it actually any good?

The perpetual trust thing in New Zealand was was you know that we're kind of a pioneering organization when it comes to the four day working week. But on the face of it, is it actually any good?

Well I I saw that article, I went, oh, that sounds like a good thing, you know, four day working weeks, and and then I read it and I went, oh, I don't think that is a good thing, because actually it was the right. What they're talking about in the UK is the right or the ability to compress a five day working week, so forty hours into four days, so you work four ten hour days. And I read that and I went, oh, I don't think that's a great idea at all. I think that's a good pathway to burn out really, And it was one of those I think. So. I mean, you know, if you were if you take into account travel time and that kind of thing, if you're working a ten hour a day, let's say that's eight till six. I think that's ten hours. You know, you're probably leaving home at seven and getting home at seven, so that's there's not much room left in a normal day, and then you're going to have Friday to kind of recover. And it's sort of like, what's the point.

Well I I saw that article, I went, oh, that sounds like a good thing, you know, four day working weeks, and and then I read it and I went, oh, I don't think that is a good thing, because actually it was the right. What they're talking about in the UK is the right or the ability to compress a five day working week, so forty hours into four days, so you work four ten hour days. And I read that and I went, oh, I don't think that's a great idea at all. I think that's a good pathway to burn out really, And it was one of those I think. So. I mean, you know, if you were if you take into account travel time and that kind of thing, if you're working a ten hour a day, let's say that's eight till six. I think that's ten hours. You know, you're probably leaving home at seven and getting home at seven, so that's there's not much room left in a normal day, and then you're going to have Friday to kind of recover. And it's sort of like, what's the point.

That's very interesting? Yeah, see, I mean this is probably going to come as a shock to you. I have been accused of being a bit of a workaholic from time to time. Yeah, that's just the kind of the one of the arrows they have to be here, and yeah, I reckon it sounds great. Interesting, Well if you said to me, because I kind of do that anyway. But maybe that's just me being a bit of a workerholic, you know, like I kind of like what times I start with Yesterday, I mean, yeah, I started works. I probably got to work at eight yesterday and I finished at seven forty five, so as yeah, I mean that wasn't necessarily to day.

That's very interesting? Yeah, see, I mean this is probably going to come as a shock to you. I have been accused of being a bit of a workaholic from time to time. Yeah, that's just the kind of the one of the arrows they have to be here, and yeah, I reckon it sounds great. Interesting, Well if you said to me, because I kind of do that anyway. But maybe that's just me being a bit of a workerholic, you know, like I kind of like what times I start with Yesterday, I mean, yeah, I started works. I probably got to work at eight yesterday and I finished at seven forty five, so as yeah, I mean that wasn't necessarily to day.

But yeah, I mean, yeah, that's that's yeah interesting because yeah, for me, that will be a bit of a nightmare. But but I think I wonder if what you know for you, maybe I wonder if it's one thing that's you've got a lot of passion for your work, and that's you know that old saying if you, if you, if you, if you find a job you love, then you'll never work a day in the life, day in your life kind of thing, because you're always But I mean, I think and if we're talking at four day working weeks, and you mentioned the Picture Guardian earlier that I think that's a much better way. And that's the one hundred eighty one hundred rule where you get work one hundred no, hang on, you get one hundred percent of the salary eighty percent of the hours, So that's thirty two hours a week and the company expects one hundred percent productivity. So and every time that we almost every time, like ninety percent of the time that an organization tries it, it seems to work on almost every metric that they use to measure it. Yeah, and I know, I know some people that are doing that and everything. I've got a friend who does it, and I said, oh, how's it going every time I see him, and he goes, ah, that's great, he said, I get this whole extra day off to do life admin on a Friday or whatever day he chooses. And yeah, it's just like, oh, now that's a great I think that's a great thing that you get all the still get all your pay, but you only do four days in a week, which I think sounds much better.

But yeah, I mean, yeah, that's that's yeah interesting because yeah, for me, that will be a bit of a nightmare. But but I think I wonder if what you know for you, maybe I wonder if it's one thing that's you've got a lot of passion for your work, and that's you know that old saying if you, if you, if you, if you find a job you love, then you'll never work a day in the life, day in your life kind of thing, because you're always But I mean, I think and if we're talking at four day working weeks, and you mentioned the Picture Guardian earlier that I think that's a much better way. And that's the one hundred eighty one hundred rule where you get work one hundred no, hang on, you get one hundred percent of the salary eighty percent of the hours, So that's thirty two hours a week and the company expects one hundred percent productivity. So and every time that we almost every time, like ninety percent of the time that an organization tries it, it seems to work on almost every metric that they use to measure it. Yeah, and I know, I know some people that are doing that and everything. I've got a friend who does it, and I said, oh, how's it going every time I see him, and he goes, ah, that's great, he said, I get this whole extra day off to do life admin on a Friday or whatever day he chooses. And yeah, it's just like, oh, now that's a great I think that's a great thing that you get all the still get all your pay, but you only do four days in a week, which I think sounds much better.

Yeah, that does sound good. I mean that's amazing if you can do that. I think that one hundred percent productivity thing is the is the vital bit, right, Like if you're you know, there's kind of an expectation, there's almost like a yeah, I mean the firm sort of needs to be really you know, be really clear on that, right, like if you are at we are expecting you to be working.

Yeah, that does sound good. I mean that's amazing if you can do that. I think that one hundred percent productivity thing is the is the vital bit, right, Like if you're you know, there's kind of an expectation, there's almost like a yeah, I mean the firm sort of needs to be really you know, be really clear on that, right, like if you are at we are expecting you to be working.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, and look, and that's part of the rationale behind it is actually that we're not all that productive in our days when we're at work. So if we can increase the productivity of the time that we are at work, the reward or the payoff for the workers is that you get a day off and the company still gets and almost every when you look at the research, almost every organization that does it, their productivity often increases. And it's just that it seems to me a sort of the best of both worlds that the business gets what they want and probably more of it, and people get what they want, and it's like, wow, it was kind of like, yeah, I'd like to do that. But you do have to do quite a bit of background to actually figure out what productivity is at your place, because most of us aren't sort of in a factory producing widgets that you can sort of easily count. So you know, for example, for your job, I'm not sure how you measure productivity.

Yeah, and look, and that's part of the rationale behind it is actually that we're not all that productive in our days when we're at work. So if we can increase the productivity of the time that we are at work, the reward or the payoff for the workers is that you get a day off and the company still gets and almost every when you look at the research, almost every organization that does it, their productivity often increases. And it's just that it seems to me a sort of the best of both worlds that the business gets what they want and probably more of it, and people get what they want, and it's like, wow, it was kind of like, yeah, I'd like to do that. But you do have to do quite a bit of background to actually figure out what productivity is at your place, because most of us aren't sort of in a factory producing widgets that you can sort of easily count. So you know, for example, for your job, I'm not sure how you measure productivity.

No job probably would wouln't fit it.

No job probably would wouln't fit it.

Yeah, but well, you see everybody says that everybody goes, oh no, no, I wouldn't work for us because we have to do A B and C. And actually, I think that's a bit of a myth. I think that that if you sit down and nut it out, and it might take up you know, six months to a year to figure it out, but I think most businesses can probably do it. It doesn't mean that everybody has to work a four day week. Some people work a five day week, but they you know, they have shorter days, so shorter a fewer hours every day. So I think it's an easy thing to do. People go on and I wouldn't work for us. Wouldn't work for us for the reasons. But don't get fooled by that method.

Yeah, but well, you see everybody says that everybody goes, oh no, no, I wouldn't work for us because we have to do A B and C. And actually, I think that's a bit of a myth. I think that that if you sit down and nut it out, and it might take up you know, six months to a year to figure it out, but I think most businesses can probably do it. It doesn't mean that everybody has to work a four day week. Some people work a five day week, but they you know, they have shorter days, so shorter a fewer hours every day. So I think it's an easy thing to do. People go on and I wouldn't work for us. Wouldn't work for us for the reasons. But don't get fooled by that method.

Yeah, okay, do you know, the more I've thought about it, just for speaking, I actually think I'm not into the I'm not into the four times ten hours because, like you say, it's the it's the transition time from going into work into not being at work at home, and but you're basically your entire days gone, and like you get no time with family and stuff. So yeah, I think maybe that isn't gonna work.

Yeah, okay, do you know, the more I've thought about it, just for speaking, I actually think I'm not into the I'm not into the four times ten hours because, like you say, it's the it's the transition time from going into work into not being at work at home, and but you're basically your entire days gone, and like you get no time with family and stuff. So yeah, I think maybe that isn't gonna work.

But you probably do it from time to time, right, but just not all day every day. Yeah.

But you probably do it from time to time, right, but just not all day every day. Yeah.

If yeah, doing it like one or two days, you know, every fortnight or something, might be, it might be might be survivable. But if you're doing it the whole time. Then yeah, I think it would just really grueling. But I think you're heading on a really important point. And this is one thing that I love in organizations, and I'm fortunate to have it in my job, and I get it. Not everyone is lucky enough to work in a job or an industry where this is possible. I reckon. There is so much to be said for workplaces that measure success by outcomes rather than inputs, and so so rather than saying to employees, you know, you are going to be doing these hours, and they constantly measure everything by outputs, so like, this is what we expect to be achieved, and if it is achieved, then you know, and you're leaving it quarter past four or good, it doesn't matter, and we're gonna we're gonna encourage your culture whereby you don't feel guilty for that. No one's judging you so long as the work is done to meet you on that, and that's.

If yeah, doing it like one or two days, you know, every fortnight or something, might be, it might be might be survivable. But if you're doing it the whole time. Then yeah, I think it would just really grueling. But I think you're heading on a really important point. And this is one thing that I love in organizations, and I'm fortunate to have it in my job, and I get it. Not everyone is lucky enough to work in a job or an industry where this is possible. I reckon. There is so much to be said for workplaces that measure success by outcomes rather than inputs, and so so rather than saying to employees, you know, you are going to be doing these hours, and they constantly measure everything by outputs, so like, this is what we expect to be achieved, and if it is achieved, then you know, and you're leaving it quarter past four or good, it doesn't matter, and we're gonna we're gonna encourage your culture whereby you don't feel guilty for that. No one's judging you so long as the work is done to meet you on that, and that's.

Great, you know, absolutely, And that sort of one hundred eighty one hundred four day working week. That one thing I love about that, which is connected with what you were saying, is they basically give the solution to the people who are doing the work and saying, hey, look, this is what we want to achieve and let's figure it out together. So it isn't management saying Okay, this is what you've got to do and this is how to do it. It says you guys, figure it out. You're clever people, you know the job, let's figure it out together. And almost universally it comes off that people feel better and enjoy work and keep producing. Probably even more so, I love the sort of democratization of it where everybody gets to say and how it can work.

Great, you know, absolutely, And that sort of one hundred eighty one hundred four day working week. That one thing I love about that, which is connected with what you were saying, is they basically give the solution to the people who are doing the work and saying, hey, look, this is what we want to achieve and let's figure it out together. So it isn't management saying Okay, this is what you've got to do and this is how to do it. It says you guys, figure it out. You're clever people, you know the job, let's figure it out together. And almost universally it comes off that people feel better and enjoy work and keep producing. Probably even more so, I love the sort of democratization of it where everybody gets to say and how it can work.

Yeah, right, So what do you reckon people and organizations should do if they're interested in trying this?

Yeah, right, So what do you reckon people and organizations should do if they're interested in trying this?

Well, I mean, I think you do have to do quite a bit of setting up. And we've worked with organizations who have done it before, and often there can be like at least a six month maybe twelve months league in time, and I might be exaggerating that lightly, but you do have to sit down and figure stuff out. So you know, how do we measure productivity? How you know, how can how would if we have to provide coverage five days a week, how would that work? There's also things to nut out about how do we make our time at work? More efficient, and there's often lots of work that goes into having efficient meetings, Like many of us get stuck in sort of these endless meetings which which seem to have no huge purpose, and there are so I think the main thing is do your research, you know, go online. There's lots of examples that you can look at and and start having some conversations about it, being aware that it's going to take a little bit of time to set up.

Well, I mean, I think you do have to do quite a bit of setting up. And we've worked with organizations who have done it before, and often there can be like at least a six month maybe twelve months league in time, and I might be exaggerating that lightly, but you do have to sit down and figure stuff out. So you know, how do we measure productivity? How you know, how can how would if we have to provide coverage five days a week, how would that work? There's also things to nut out about how do we make our time at work? More efficient, and there's often lots of work that goes into having efficient meetings, Like many of us get stuck in sort of these endless meetings which which seem to have no huge purpose, and there are so I think the main thing is do your research, you know, go online. There's lots of examples that you can look at and and start having some conversations about it, being aware that it's going to take a little bit of time to set up.

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