Ron starts this episode asking how much should you spend on repairing a car : takes a call on a 97 Mercury Tracer where the instrument cluster suddenly went dark, in addition to just about everything on the dash : takes a call on an 04 Camry that was running rough, so the caller replaced the coils and plugs, and not it’s not running at all : takes a call on a 2000 Taurus wit P0171 and P0174 codes and the dealer can’t fix it.
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Ron Andanian. You know, one of the things I always say is there's no whining in order repair. There really isn't. And you can't complain about the clause of work there if you're not making an honest effort to get it done right. Thank god, cars gettin the Car Doctor. Later, I grabbed the right front tire, it was solid as a rocket. Grabbed the left front tire. Clunk. Huh gee, that's kind of different. Welcome to the radio home of Ron and Anian, the Car Doctor, since this is where car owners the world overturned to for their definitive opinion on automotive repair. If your mechanics giving you a busy signal, pick up the phone and call in the garage to orders are open. But I am here to take your call at eight five five five six and now he running. How much should you spend? I guess is a good question on repairing a car. It's got to come up right, it's and it's even harder that question to answer. How much have you spend when you're dealing with well, an older car, Maybe it's an emotional purchase. Corvette was in the shop the past two weeks. We've been bringing it back to life getting it back on the road, and you know, a very good example of a ninety four corvette from that period of time. You know, let's think about it now. It's it's going on thirty years old, it's coming up on twenty eight, it's gonna be thirty soon. But it's the original LT one to import motor. This was the Cockamamie nightmare cocamambe being the technical operative word that GM decided to take the distributor from up top of the engine where it was accessible and mounted on the forward part of the engine right underneath the water pump. I always thought of that positioning of you know, it was sort of like putting the nuclear reactor. Are you listening, California. It was sort of like putting the nuclear reactor on top of the sant Andrea's fault, the crack and the dirt that they you know, it's going to fall into when the earthquake happens. Because anytime the water pump leaked on those corvettes, thos LT one motors, because it actually appeared in Chevy and Palace too. Anytime the water pump leaked, it usually took out the distributor cap and also subsequently soaked its way down into the optical I of the ignition distributor and wipe that out as well. The problem is, you know, it's it's a Corvette, and she really likes this car. But I had to give her the explanation. I had to have the talk with her, you know, Haggard. He says, this car has got a value around well three for a bad example, up to eight grand for a average and ten grand for a real clean one. And then we looked online. We saw some examples where this car is worth you know, really super clean. They're claiming. They're asking price is like twenty four thousand dollars. They haven't sold it yet, but there asking. You know, I can't ask anything I want for anything, do I will I get it? What's the practical point this particular car, this Vette, with fifty six thousand miles on it. Once I worked my magic on it, it runs great. You know, she said she had never ran so good. It didn't run that good when it came up from Florida a couple of years back. Yeah, I can understand that, because everything was wrong with it. Every you know, we had we had people that didn't know what they were doing working on it. For a lack of a better way to say it, Um, you know, one thing to get to get you get another problem, and you know, before you know what, your three, your three big gets in and everything's wrong. This car now needs tires, it needs a convertible top, it needs some interior work. The radio is kind of sketchy. The cooling system, remember I said to you about the water pump and the and the and the ignition distributor. You know, uh bad. The cooling system is brown now cooling in its supposed to be green. So when you take the radiator cap off and you see brown cooling, you're like, oh uh, you know this is a problem. The radiator cap went bad and nobody ever changed that, nobody ever tested it, nobody ever paid attention. And a bad radiator cap allowed oxygen to enter the system and created rust. And that's really how rush t happens in a cooling system, you know, not being it's it isn't a matter of wet, it's a matter of wet. Oxygen is the perfect environment for us to be created. I think I talked about this last week of the week before. There's there's research and pictures, guys, go out looking for ships that sank, you know, fifty years ago, and you know in certain parts of the world's certain oceans where the water isn't so oxygen eated, it's their rust free. And then there's places where they're closer to the surface and there's more oxygen content and they're rusted and corroded, So you need oxygen. Well, this corvette got enough because now the cooling system is brown. What's the big deal? Right? The big deal is that that coolant has now touched everything. It's in the water pump, it's in the heater core, it's in the hoses, it's in the intake manifold, it's in the head gasket area. Right anywhere there's water is touching a gasket or touching a component or a part of the engine block that allows it to rot or corrode or create failure. How what should just spend? Well, it's a corvette, it's an LT one, it's got fifty six thousand miles on it. How far do you want to go? How much deal love the car? You can't do this from an emotional perspective, but you've also got to be aware. And I say this to you if you're out there looking at an older car. Oh, I love this, you know, ninety four Corvette, this nine Buick Riviera, this this eight one Cadillac Fleetwood. Hey, great, are you prepared to go to the distance. You can get parts, you can fix almost anything, but are you prepared to spend what it takes? And you've got to answer that question. You've really got to play with how much before you say and answer the question of what color? Because otherwise you're gonna box yourself in a corner and you're gonna be upset. You know, some cars are just bad examples of the time frame they come from. They do all right, it's they are. It's just and it's a shame because you know it's it's other other than these things. You know, it could be a very nice car, but you won't have a dollar advantage. It's it's no financial reward in that sense. You want to buy the car and drive it, Buy it and drive it. But sit down and start to find and this is your takeaway as we could go up this hour of the Car Doctor. Sit down and find your you know, what's your hot button topic? What you know, what were the failures? Talk to your mechanic. There's a lot of ways your mechanic and go and research common parts failures. I can tell the lt ones because we had a few of them in the family. As a matter of fact, we had more than a few of them in the shop. And you know, it's just a matter of what parts failed. As I said to Linda, water pump order or the pump, you get the distributor. If you're gonna get a distribute you gotta get a distributor a cap, none of which are readily available. Um. The last distributor cap I saw for an lt one was somewhere around five or six hundred dollars, and that was a couple of years ago. For a distributor cap. The distributors are bringing a thousand bucks. All right. You've got to find ignition wires. You gotta find spark plugs. For spark plugs are pretty easy wire set. I don't remember if we found one because I'm trying to pile up parts. And then I said to her, and then you've got to deal with You've got to deal with the water pump, because at what point does the water pump fail from all the rust and crud in the system. And when that fails, is going to take out the distributor? And then what do you do? Are you proactive? You change things ahead of time? I think so. I think that's the only way you can do it. I think you've got to be mildly interested in that and and and deal with that. Uh. You know, if you wait on an older vehicle and if you're not stockpiling parts, you're wrong. You know, I tried looking up tires, right, how hard could it be? Defined? Tires for a ninety four corvette? Tires or tires? Right? Nope, limited in choice, no V rated stuff that we found readily available local. There's stuff we can order online and you know, just go back further up to warehouse chain and do it that way. But you know, bottom line, how much should you spend the time to ask that question is before you purchased the vehicle, not afterwards. The time to ask that question is, you know, before you bring that vehicle home and go through the paperwork and and everything else that you're gonna do, and then you know where you're going, and then add some parts to that pile. All right, Because as the fleet ages, as the vehicles get older, and we try to maintain and hang onto these older cars. It doesn't matter what it is, Chevrolet, Ford, Toyota, Honda, whatever, whatever you're in love with, whatever floats your boat, whatever takes you back to that bygone era of whatever you're trying to remember or enjoy. Um Tom and I know a very good friend who's a radio guy out in the Pittsburgh area. I think it is. And Big Tom is into older Cadillacts. It's only boys, and I understand that. You know what they were neat cars, they were big boats. But Tom's also a realist and he's always purchasing parts. He's always, you know, gobbling up whatever he can find to have readily available because he knows that stuff isn't going to be out there. How much should you spend whatever your pocket book allows, whatever makes you happy. You know, it's only money, and uh, you know, for the time being. If if it makes you happy, then having that older car around, ye do it. But it comes at a price. I'm not sure what Linda is going to do with this car, you know. I pointed out to where I said, you know, you could sell this car easily now for five six grands a decent running car. Let somebody else deal with the rest of it. You can take that five six grand, and according to Haggard, he had five or six grand for twelve grand. You've got to be able to get a real nice ninety four that doesn't have half the problems this one has. Of course, I'm still gonna tell you the stockpile, tires, breaks, distributor, cab distributor, um, and so on, because they're still gonna break even in a much better example of that particular car. So anyway, the phone number here is eight five five five zero nine zero zero again eight five zero nine nine zero zero. 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Hi, thanks for taking my car rn okay ninety seven Mercury Trace or nine original miles great shape. All of a sudden yesterday got in the car go to work and I had to put on the headlights because it's a little dark. And I got no instrument lights. No, no instrument cluster lights, no lights for the transmission shifter, no light for the radio, and no light for the climate control um. Every other light works. I checked it. All high beams work into your doing, light works, tail lights everything. No other part of this car seems to be misfunctioning. I adjusted the dimmer switch, figuring that might be it. No go on that, but I'm I'm suspecting it might be a bad dimmer switch. That because I don't know what else it possibly could be. And that's that's what I got. You got a pencil and paper. Sure, okay, so left side of the dash stick your head under the left side of the dashboard, all right, or left side of the cluster. You're gonna see a gang of relays. Now in a way. They don't make tracers anymore. Um, you're gonna go, oh my god, don't make mercury. Don't make workries anymore. Like this is the way we did it, all right. You're looking for the park lamp relay, all right. The way park lamp relay, the way you're going to identify it is, all right, going to the park lamp relay. There's two white black wires, a white wire and a red black wire. Alright, too, white wire, two white wires with a black tracer, a solid white and then a red wire with a black tracer. All right, this is really simple how this works. Okay, it's it's not that big a deal, all right. The two white black wires, alright. The two white black wires are gonna be hot at all times, all right, and they're fed off. There's a fifteen am fuse, which is the instrument panel fuse, and I believe it also feel I believe it also feeds the tail lamp fuse. Alright, Ut, yeah, you're absolute right on that. So that fifteen am tail fuse fee the park lamp relay on those two white black wires. So so what you get do you have? You have a voltmeter? What are we working with for test equipment? I don't have a voult meter, but to get one, all right, get a voltmeter, all right? And yeah digit digital volt dometer be nice and just you know, put one side to hot or I'm sorry, one side to ground then just um, you know, and always I always tell everybody you know, you always want to check your connections. Me, I run a jumper lead. I have a long jumper that I run right to the negative post of the battery. When I'm doing something like this, it'll run the length of the car, all right. And while I'm at the battery, I hook up my ground. I'll sit there and I'll touch the other side of the meter at the battery. Hot. I see my twelve and a half vaults. Great, I've got good ground, I've got good connection. I've verified my power source. I've completed step one of my diagnosis. All right. So now now and this way, this way, and now I take the meter with the long lead, and I'm going under the dish. And when I don't have power at the white blacks, I don't go. I wonder if it's my connection. Well, I had it out there, it's got to be here, okay. Um, So we want to, you know, look at and test four power at the two white blacks. Either one of those white blacks. Both of those white blacks should have power, all right, but either one of them will have power from the fuse all the time. Okay. If I've got power at the white blacks, then the next question becomes, is it getting ground? That relay is grounded on the white wire? All right? You with me? So when you turn the headlights on, that completes the path for ground all right through the headlights circuit. I believe it's G one oh six or G I think it's one oh six. I think it's G one oh six. Okay, so you're gonna see ground. So what you could do, all right, is if you've got power at the white blacks, all right, and you know you've got a good ground at the battery, take your ground lead from the battery, the test lead that you're using ground at the battery and put it on the white wire. Okay, if you turn the headlights on, what are you going to see on the meter. If that ground circuit is good, you should right, that's right, because you've followed flollow the electron flow right, follow the bouncing electron. You've you've created electron flow through the meter. Okay. So if if using your ground lead at the white put a little ground symbol by that white wire, so you remember this after we get off the call. All right. If if putting that ground lead at the white with the headlights switch pulled on, generates twelve and a half vaults, you've now verified the fuse is good, the white blacks are good, the ground control out of the relay is good. All right. The last thing you're gonna do is take a fused jumper wire and from one of the white blacks, jumper across and feed the red black. If jumper in across the red black to to the red black fuse jumper, put a fifteen m you know, put a fifteen m fuse jumper wire together. All right. If if jumpering across to that red black causes the dash lights to work. What's bad? Um, the relay say the problem? Say they say the real say the relay there you go, right? And does that really just snap? Yeah? That should that should just that should just you know, pull out. It's just a relay held in uh. Um if I remember, and I think it's I think I think they're individual. I think it's a gang of relays hanging down under the dashboard. I remember the first time I saw it, I was like, really, this is the best we could design. Um. But but that's that's where you're headed. Uh, that's any chance it could be the dimmer switch itself. Well, yeah it's possible. But before we go and start swapping parts, then we want to go through and do some basic testing because you know so, I don't think getting parts for any of this is gonna be easy. Um, you're getting there, yeah, you know Junkyard time probably Well, I mean, listen, do you have a local Do you have a local Riley Oto parts? Now we have the other ones though, go out online. But you know the easiest thing I do is I'll go out to Aileyoto dot com and just look it up on their website and see if they have it. Uh, you know, and you know, if you're too big of a guy and you can't stuff yourself under the dashboard and you only want to do it once in the relays ten bucks. Yeah, I understand a lot of people just buy the relay and plug it in. I get that. Um, but you know, sometimes working on cars is fun. But that's that's the diagnostic approach on how that relay works. All right, sounds good. You don't think possibly it's the stock that has a uh you know, the switch on it for the for the parking lights in the headlights. It could be sure, it could be a bit if if if you don't get if you don't get twelve and a half vaults because that white wire is not being grounded by the headlights switch. But the headlights work right, correct? Yeah, so if the headlights work, we know ground one of those one one o six is good. We know the headlights switch is working on that circuit. You gotta go through and follow the follow the flow because most of what you're saying is proving the headlights switch is working. You got a couple of steps and then you'll know where to go. Good luck to you kid. Let me know what happens. I'm Ron A Needing of the Car Doctor. We're coming back right after this. Don't go away right welcome back, run any of the car Doctor here at five zero zero, answer your calls and take your questions. By the way, I don't forget Ron at Car Doctor Show dot com. Um, we can email the via that too. Let's let's get over to Mike and Virginia, who's waiting very patiently. You four camera or four camera four cylinder, Mike, I believe this is yes, sir, okay two point four. Tell me the long sad story, brother, because I can tell this one's coming. Yeah, the car is in pretty good shape. It's oh four camera two point four UH ellie four cylinder. And I got codes off my my very rude emetry type code reader UH PO one seven one and PO three hundreds O one O three. Then I had a diagnostic done at a professional UH auto group. They did the dognastic and said I needed UH fuel injectors. Well I bought those and a very good at a very good price, at a small price, and I've installed those. So at that point, prior to this, the start, the car would start and it would run very rough and have fluctuating type of h RPMs, just idling, and then when I put a vote on it, it died like an air conditioning load or put it in drive or whatever. This was. This was prior. This was prior to any repair attempts. I'm sorry to say it again. This was. This was prior to any repair attempts. It was well, I did certain repairs. I put new UH admission dejectors and a PCV pc B valve. Sorry, and I claimed the thought a body and in place. I didn't take it out, and uh, I was hoping that would take care of those type situations. So but then after that I took to a place and did the diagnostic and they said I need fuel injectors. Well I bought those are very good price and put it in of course. Uh, like you said, I was throwing money at it, right right, yeah, and uh it's still car won't start. Okay, Let me ask you after the after fuel injectors were there, right, Let me ask Let me ask you this, Mike, Um and are you nervous, brother, Relax? Okay, it's just it's just it's just you and me were just talking. So don't don't don't be nervous because I can tell all right. Um, so here's here's the question. Let me ask you the most important part. Is this your car or is this your better half car? Well, if my son's older car and he since moved on and we have it was all on our names and therefore we were on it. So I want to make sure, like everybody says it's safe, it's reliable. Yeah, well, listen, you're ahead as long as it's not. Because if it's your wife's car and it doesn't run and you're working on it, brother, you're in trouble. My wife has a Yukon which I just replaced the water pump and it's running great. Good pilots, that's running great. Okay, so listen to me. Listen to me. Um, you put injectors in it, and that seems to be where it developed. This no start correct, that's correct? All right? Have you considered have you gone over the work that you did with the injectors that they're installed correctly? Um, you say you got them at a good price. Do we know if they're the right injectors? Well, that's a good question. Uh. You know, it was that one that you would buy from possibly and it met the qualifications. I didn't take the cheapest ones. I took the mid level one. All right, So do this answer answer this question for me? Do you have a digital voltomemeter? Are you working with any kind of okay? So do you still have the old injectors? All right? If you own out the old injectors and own the new injectors, do they own the same I have not done that. Okay, So that's test number one. All right, prove what's good. I'll tell you what's bad, all right. Number two? Have you considered swapping the old injectors back in? Because now it doesn't run? So what changed? Right? What changed? Something changed? Did you do anything with wiring? Did you do anything with you know, uh, ignition coils, anything like that? Well, I saw new and ignition coils. Okay, So let's do this all right. Let's let's treat it like we don't know anything about this car, all right. We need to know what is it gonna take to make a car run? Spark, fuel, mechanical integrity, right, compression? All right? If you pull one of those coils out and put a spark plug in it, or do you have a test spark plug? You have a test spark plug wider gap, wider than normal gap. Ye, you do, you have a test not not a regular spark plug. But I'm looking for half that. But I put new spark plugs. Yeah, that's not what I'm looking for. I'm looking I want to test the ignition system. Go down to your local load of parts store. All right, isn't an Oreilly Oto parts they I know they have it, all right, We're looking for a spark plug tester. Looks like a spark plug with an alligator clip, uh solder to the side of it, or it's gonna be I've seen him out there. There's a there's a long black plastic one with a thumb wheel that you turn to, you know, change the gap to duplicate load on the ignition system. I want you to hook that up to one of the ignition coils. Have somebody crank the car and look for spark all right, you know thirty thousand volts said at the thirty thousand vaults. That's a good barometer. It'll do more than that, but it should do at least thirty. If you can fire a gap across a thirty thousand vaults spark tester, your problem is not an ignition. So then we've got to talk about fuel. All right. If if you don't see spark, first thing I want you to do. I believe it's in the underhood fuse block. There's a fifteen amp ignition fuse that I'm wondering if you, depending upon what coils they were, and if you were playing around with the wiring harness, I wonder if you just blew a fuse, you could do this real quick too. If you've got a digital volt homemeter. Go to each ignition coil, all right, there's there's there's gonna be I believe it's a brown red, brown, red or blue red enough four. I think it's a brown red. There's gonna be one wire that's consistent at each coil. I believe it's blue with a red trace. Brown. Maybe it's blue or brown with a red trace. You'll see it, all right, key on that should have that should have twelve volts at it. That's battery positive. There's four wires. There's four wires at each ignition coil. One's gonna be battery positive, one's gonna be ground all right. The other two are gonna go right to the PCM. They're white, red and red white. They're each of five there, each of five volts signal. So you can eliminate it like this, so you don't even eating a wire. Color. You gotta have one wire has gotta have key on, key on, engine off. You've got to have twelve volts there. You've got to have five volts at the white red and the red white, and then the white black is going to be ground. So what you could do is you could put your voltmeter across the white black as the ground leg All right. When you do that, take take your positive, probe your meter and go right to the battery positive. What should you read battery voltage right now? Now you know, you just prove that the white black wire is good ground. Okay, so you've eliminated that wire, all right, Now go to your other three key on. What do you got? You should have battery voltage. You should have five volts five volts. If you don't have that, brother, you can change injectors and anything else you want all day long. It's not gonna work. All right now if you have all that, now, I want to see it work. Now. I want you to go get the spark tester. See you can do that right. If you hang up the phone, I want you to I want you to get a spark tester. I want you to verify do you have spark output from the coils. If you have spark output from the coils, I may just spend I don't know, thirty bucks on a spark tester. And now at least you have something else in your diagnostic toolbox. All right, and now you know ignition is good. Forget ignition. Bring me back to my first conversation. How do you know the injectors are good? How do you know they're right? How do you know they're installed? Right? Not knocking you, but you gotta start to question this. And then do you have fuel pressure? Do you have a fuel pressure gauge? I do? I do have full fuel pressure because the diagnostic people I took the part too, did Yeah, but you had fuel pressure then, I'm talking about fuel pressure now after you touched it. Okay, all right, so do those do those things? The clock is gonna take me. I've got to I've got to pull over. But you do those things. I'm here for you. Next week. You give us a call back. We'll be glad to talk again. Mike. Good luck to you stay, stay calm, and you'll figure it out. Go one step at a time. Eight five five zero nine zero zero. Run Nating of the Car Doctor coming back right after this. Welcome back Running in the Car Doctor here at five five zero nine zero zero. So live streaming of the show is up on Car Doctor show dot com. If you're podcasting, or if you've got an affiliate that's well, or if you don't have an affiliate that's playing it, you can go to Car Doctor show dot com and stream the show live there Saturday Live show hours Saturday two to four pm East Coast time. Let's go to Brian and Virginia two thousand tourists and some lean fault codes. Brian, what's going on here? Hey, Ron, good to talk to you again. Um, got the two thousand four Taurus. It's my wife's. It's uhl overhead cam. It's only got about three miles on it. It's just broken in. Good something easy, just broken in, that's what she says. So, Um, when we look at long term fuel trims are at plus twenty five. Unless you get around m with your foot in it accelerating, it'll it might go down to zero and then it's back to under cruise and short terms cold idle is between plus two and plus thirteen, don't know. In hot idle um cruises zero to plus ten on pedal and maybe plus six team. You know if you're coasting down to him, So do this. Let's let's pay attention to short term more than long term. Alright, um, common areas to leak. This is a three liters motor right dual overhead? Can you said? Yeah? So the common areas that leaked on these were intake amountifold gas gets the PCV hose, the the uh UM, the elbow right below the idle air control valve on the right left right left side of the motor down underneath the right side of the valve. Um all common things that developed vacuum leaks. Do you have accessibility to propane in a bottle? Uh? So, yeah, we've done that. We've actually build a smoke machine and uh pumped it full of smoke and the only place we might get a whisp was at the throttle body shaft if she moved it in the right direction, and it was a very small whisp. Okay, you know, smoke machine is a good start, but if it doesn't give me my results. It doesn't tell me. I still don't buy that there's no vacuum leak. So I'm still going to try and look at it with propane, you know, one of the things you could try. It's a two thousand, So the technology probably isn't great. But if we wanted to try and approach this from a diagnostic point of view, at a higher level, we could look at freeze frame, the video snapshot of when the fault code sets, and you know, at least it will tell us at what temperature If I if I typically see a lean fuel fault code occurring below normal thermostat opening rate, meaning below if I see freeze frame telling me the fault code happened somewhere around a hundred and seventy degrees. For example, I'm gonna think about intake amountifold guess gets on a Ford product, they're old rings, they shrink, they shrink, they shrivel um, you know, and when they warm up, they expect it actually had those at the dealer. Okay, it doesn't mean it was done right, doesn't mean you know, let's face it, they took a guess, all right. You know, too many times we sit here and say, well this guy did it, so we know it's not that. Did anybody test it? I can't. I can't tell you how many times I go over this. And I know you're I know you're a regular listener, Brian. I won't give you the speech, but UM, you know you've heard me say in the shop because I forget too. I've got peg boards of tools laying out on the shop and I sit there and i'll sit in third band, I'll look around. Then I'll go did I use that? Did I do that? Did I? And I put it? We designed it like that thirty years ago specifically, and we've updated obviously with tools and time because things have changed. But because it's that mental stimulation, we need a technicians to sit there and say, hey, did I check this? Check this, check this, and check this. Um, I want to look at short term fuel trim. I want to make sure when I'm looking at short term fuel trim that the vehicle is clearly enclosed loop. All right? Uh if I don't look okay, UM, just be sure because if it's not enclosed loop and you're looking at short term fuel trim, the diagnosis is skewed. It's not valid that fault code sets based on thermostat temper you know, opening radar, I'm sorry, engine temperatures. So the stat's got to be right. And what the actual fuel trim editive is being uh to the base to its base mixture. So there's a vacuum leak somewhere. All right, This isn't magic, you know, it's I mean, you could go through in TESTO two censors real simple enough, just you know, give it a shot of propane. You should see the air fuel mixture. You should see the two center voltage pin. If it doesn't, maybe we've got a lazy O two. But from the sounds from my seat here, I'm gonna be more focused on vacuum leeks. I'm gonna go sniffing around with a bottle of propane and a pointer, trying to pin it down, and then from there work my way out. You know, spray the throttle shaft. What does that do? And and that's what I'm gonna tell you gotta do. Try those things. Call me back. I'm always glad to talk to you again, brother zero zero. The car doctors coming back right after this, welcome back, running the car doctor um just kind of rolling along. Hey, Tom, do you think next week mayb I'll put him up on our Facebook page. I don't know worldse to put him. Um next week, I want to I want to go back to giving away books because the gift closet is getting too big and the holidays are coming, and I want to give away my Porship book and I want to give away the Corvette book and anything else, like how many have you do anything else? That? Well, if it's dog here, that means I used that people probably want it more. Maybe I'll autograph a copy and then only take down the value. Um or it might be worth more so um so, but anyway, uh yeah, remind me next week we're gonna do that. We're gonna go back to we got a couple of books to give away, and you know, just just oh, we're just so busy, there's so much going on. Um. We had a customer stop by the shop yesterday. Uh, Sue stopped by the shop and um, she's telling me about she's got this problem and she made me think of something and I want to talk about it here real quick if I can. UM made me made me think about she's got this problem with chipmunks and mice in her yard that they're nesting in her car. She told me a story about she was driving the car three weeks ago and she actually had baby chipmunks falling out of the heater ducks, which completely freaked her out. I was like, my god, this is worse than snakes on a plane. Uh, you know. Just so I sent her out to NHOU dot com New Hampshire Oil Undercoating dot com. Um, they've got a product out there, rotor repelling. I believe it's called mouse out that you can spray around the underheard of the vehicle and uh it's it's rotor repellent. It will work well. And I think the important thing to remember is this time of year you want to do that because these animals are looking for place us to go because they're getting ready for their long winter's nap. So NHOU dot com if you're interested in that until the next time I'm moninating in the car doctor reminding each and every one of you the mechanics aren't expensive, they're priceless. See you