11.20.2024 #RolandMartinUnfiltered Exclusive: Fmr. TSU Pres. Talks Financial Crisis, Rep. Crockett Blasts "Oppressed" MAGAs
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Republicans at Tennessee are going after Tennessee State University about their finances. You have folks who are blaming former President adri Glenn thea Glover while she joins us right here to share her perspective about what's happening at that HBCU Inn Nashville, oh Man.
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Republicans in Tennessee have been highly critical of the finances of Tennessee State University, the state's only public HBCU. The States given the university some forty three million dollars for operations this year in order to make payroll and prop up the university. Now one hundred and fourteen people have been laid off at the institution. Remember they also replaced the board of trustees last year. We were there in Nashville discussing that the interim president, doctor Ronald Johnson. He says the fault lies with former president, doctor Glenda Glover. He says that repeated poor decisions and the lack of checks and balances, or while the university is financially strapped. Well, doctor Glenna Glover reached out to us and she said, I would love to come on the show to discuss this, and so she joins us right now on roland markin on Unfilials dot the Glover glad to have you here. So first of all, let's let let's walk through you retired as president from the university. I've had some alumni folks have been on my social media saying, oh, why is she taking eight hundred thousand dollars as a consultant for the university?
Coach?
So can first can you explain that?
Thank you and good evening, and thank you for having me on the show tonight. Yes, I can explain that. I mean just this whole notion of eight hundred thousand dollars, it's so ridiculous. I have a retirement agreement, my buyout agreement. It represents the value of the remainder of the years on my contract. I was in year one of a five year contract. So I was asked to identify donors to continue to work with university and raising money. As you know, we built the endowment from forty six million to over one hundred million. We're the envy of many a spec user endowment. But set that aside. When the legislators carefully constructed an arrangement with me, When legislators some met with me in person and some sent others to meet with me to speed up the retirement process, in fact, to ask me if you retire, So I said I would do it on my own terms, at my own time. And so I did honor their requests and retire. So but now you don't get to come to me now and say want your retirement agree renown to be to avoid it. That's that's not a fair process, because it's happened an academ all the time. When president leaves early, they get an exit package they get a retirement package, they get a buyout package. It's not only just an academ it's in other areas coaches and others get buyour packages. And so that's no different from that. So there's no eight hundred thousand dollars arrange when I have to consult with TSU.
But it's just ridiculous, all right.
So you have a buyout and that is that is being paid to you over what period of time it was it set us to.
Be of a four year period, the different arrangements being made up a.
Fort year period.
And are you required to do additional things as a result of that buyout?
I am now. I suggested the four year period so that it wouldn't be such a strain on the university's treasury. And so and for that I would CONTINU, continue to identify new donors, UH contend to build the endowment to bring it. Going to the East Coast after Thanksgiving to meet with some individuals about some money for TSU. And so it's it's those kinds of things that you know, that's what my skill set is, and they did not want that to go to waste upon my retirement. In fact, that was suggests me by one of the legislators.
Uh.
And so that's why it was such a shock when they were acting like they didn't know anything about it, because they were the very ones who came to me and said, you know, you've been here a long time, you should consider retirement, and they suggest some things to put into the retirement package. So this hypocrisy is just unreal.
Okay, so let's talk about where the university is right now. You have your interim president who's saying, all of these financial issues with Tennessees State are your fault in your previous administration and the previous board.
Uh.
You have state legislators were also blaming. You got columnists with the National Tennessee who is saying, uh, this is you know, one of them even said that that by you being on the board of a for profit prison, uh, is also part of this problem. And so uh, let's talk about this here where the university is right now. What is the reason for the university's financial problems in your estimation?
Well, let me start by saying this, the state will not get the chance, They don't have the chance to cause a problem and then criticize us for having to go through the problem. So again, it's almost like a friend who who you have loan money to, and that person comes by that owes you money, and that person comes back into and makes funny you because you're broke, so they can't cause a problem and then come back and criticize us because we're in a problem that they created. Now, haven't said that. They say, yes, they owe us money. Yes, there's two point one billion dollar underfunding letters been written to the governor. But let's put that aside. There's a five hundred and forty four million dollar under funded amount that the state has admitted that. That's the amount that's been underfunded by That's not a number that's made up. They came from their internal processes, their own analytics, their own budget analysts, who put that number together and said, here's what we have, five hundred and forty four million. When you compare it to the other Landgrand institution, the equitable funding model that they developed shows that we owe Tennessee State University five hundred and forty four million, and that's an underfunding amount. But having said that, I'm even going to discuss that as that because that's not wasn't our budget. Wasn't our budget is how we operate from semester semester is through students paying students paying their tuition and fees. That's where the that's where it comes from. Students pay tuition and fees. That's probably seventy five percent of by budget. I think another twenty three percent comes from the state. But you can see them our bread and butter recruiting students, students paying their money, they come to school and they go to TSU. But there are two things that I want to bring out. How do we get here? Number one, everybody's talking about reserves, and everybody's talking about that when you talk about a school, only at the capitol have they found a something called res theirs they want to talk about. What's really when you want to make a decision to go to school, it's about what programs you have, what's your endowment. And by the way, TSU has a health environment endowment of over one hundred million dollars in endowment. We had one of a handful of schools. So no school is broke. It has an endowment of an over one hundred million. We do have a cash flow proper have to be addressed, and I have to say that. But here's what has happened? Number one, how do we start? The tendency Higher Education Commission t HACK has a process whereby they have schools to give students to put scholarships on the student's account, the Hope scholarships. A lot of the scholarships that are state funded, not the ones that the schools offer. These are the ones that are offered by the state. And there are a lot of students from a lot of the universities getting these scholarships. Well, rather than all of those students going to the Higher Education Commission t HACK asking them for the scholarship money, that process it's worked out so that each school will advance the money to the students, again totally separate from the two point one billion, totally separate from the five and forty four million. They would advance this money to the students TSU did from our operating funds, and then t HACK tis Higher Education Commission well then reimburse TSU at some point, well after we had done this reimbursement and waiting for us to get our after we had done this advancement, waiting for our reimbursement, they inform us they're not going to reimburse us. We said, what do you mean this came from our operations and they said, well, we're not going to reimburse you because you got some UDI findings from t Sack. We want you to get those clear first. That was almost impossible to get those clear first because we had students who need the transcripts that had not been the final fastivort were not there. There were a lot of things that couldn't be done overnight, so we thought that was very, very critical, So we just sent them letters literally begging them to pay us somebody. That's number one. Another thing that happened their call that went through our operating account. The state forced TSU to hire a company j L L. That they're good company. I even know one of the guys as a tip top and they're a good company. However, it was being done much less and were much less funds in house, but they forced them to come in to do our Consilis that make it because they had fifty thousand dollars away. But the catch is it couldn't come out of twenty fifty thousand dollars the game us. It had to it was a million. I'm sorry, twenty fifty million had to it couldn't come out of that. It had to come out of our operations. So that's a tune of one point two million dollars per month that they forced us to pay. I mean that's I hope you can listen. I hope the audience here is that one point two million dollars per month. And well it is. So what is so startling about this is that they were not allowed tiers you to have an RFP process. There was no bid process, there was no we couldn't do due diligence on it. You take it or leave it.
Those were the.
Words give me to us on the phone. And I was not the only one on the phone that day. But either you take jail l or we don't have a deal. And so we took them to manage the property and do things at TSU. And that's a big prist tag one point two million dollars a monment. And so that helped. That's hurt last year, last semester. Now this semester is a different story. This semester we don't have funds because the students are not there. We don't have funds. This fall semester has nothing to do with our reserves because that's where emergencies. We want those funds to help some operations. Yes, but this fall we're down by nineteen hundred students. Now that equates almost about twenty million dollars. You can't operate a school asking the state to bail you out because we don't have the students paying their fees. We'll have students here to pay. And so I don't understand why they won't put that narrative out front and say enrollment is down, therefore rollman, the revenue is down.
So I'm reading this.
I'm reading this article here, and it said that in fiscal twenty twenty three, the university logged forty five point nine million dollars in institutional aid, which includes tuition discounts, a massive increase from eight pointy six million a year before. Other students found themselves without a scholarship once federal funds ran out.
Then this is.
From higher eddive dot com. He said enrollment faltered because of broken promises. First year student enrollment at around thirty five one hundred and fiscal year twenty twenty two, roughly half the next year, and hit eight hundred and eighty students by twenty twenty four. So what was happening? So what was going on there with these tuition discounts? So what is the reason to go from How do you go from thirty five hundred first year students in twenty twenty two to eight hundred and eighty in twenty twenty four.
How's that happen?
Okay, let's go back. The allegation is that we use the one time funds. I think that's what I heard you say. Those were COVID dollars when they had you know, when COVID was there, we had the they had their hair dollars and sometimes referred to it's in federal Stimilus package that was given to HPCU with the all universities especially and as a special packs of HPCUS. That was in twenty twenty. It's something in twenty twenty one. Those students have already graduated. We couldn't have made a promise to a student from the COVID funds from four years ago to in twenty twenty. When COVID was there was March or twenty twenty, and by the time they got their registration together, it was we had students and we didn't give scholarships out of the fund that got that money was used to pay off student balances they could come back to school because and to help them through the COVID factors like parents losing their jobs, students losing their jobs, companies shutting down that had promised students money for a school, students not having connectivity, you know, all the COVID woes, that's what that funding was for. So that was four years ago, so that couldn't have been what they were talking about. But I think what they may be talking about, because I've listened to it too, It is that in twenty twenty two we had a huge influx of students because we were coming back from COVID. Parents were calling us, said, listening to this. They've been here for all this time a year. We need you all to do something to help us.
And so.
And it wasn't just Tennessee State. It was around the country when students were going back to school in large numbers. But TSU was chosen for a lot of reasons. One, we're good programs. They know they get a quality education. That's the number one reason you go to HBCU is to get a quality education. You know, everything else is grave. But when the students watched they saw a lot of things happening coming to Harris. It was our vice president, the vice Press in the United States camp I Commission speaker. Our band was nominated for two Grammars. They had not received them. Then they since received the grammars. They're performance in a white house in the Rose Fold Parade. So a lot of things would happen teachers on the national stage, and we were all having fun with it, just having a good time with it. And we didn't have this crisis because the students came to Tea. Yes we had a housing problem because we were not there was not enough housing on campus anyway, and then there were students who couldn't afford to live in Nashville off campus because the housing prices are cosprohibited, so they asked to come back on campus too. So it's just like other schools in the United States HPCUS and now HBCUs. We house sits in hotels. Yes, that was expensive, and that did take up some of the money that we had, but we got funding from those students. The money for those students they came in, they came into TSU. We have that's not coming in now. So whatever the reason was, twenty twenty two is gone now because that's the time they said you don't have enough students before that. So when these students came, then they got also having too many students. Remember let's say they got on the TV and said, you have too many students. While all these students coming to TSU, you're doing them a disservice having so many students. So it wants to cut the number of students down to make housing the number one factor. So the next year we said, okay, let's let's keep the temperature down. We have eight thousand sols. We had eighty two hundred last fall, well eighty one ninety seven. So in this fall it dropped to we're about sixty three hundred students. So that's not even that's not even typical of a TSU first year class of eight hundred students. There's no what problems was made to these eight hundred students. Nobody promised them in the scholarships because there's no there was no scholarship funding. Some promise them. So for them to say that these students couldn't return or they couldn't come this first year because they had a scholarship promise that didn't happen. They were in high school at the time, and there were there was no promise made to these eight hundred students, So I don't know where that came from. They there is a sensation in saying that something was not there was promised and not given. That's just simply not true. But there may be some things that slipped through the crack.
So you're saying so you.
So you're saying that the base the main the main issue here is that by having that drastic of a drop of first year's students, And what people have to understand is that HBCUs largely.
Depend upon the financial aid of students.
So by having that drop, that's twenty million dollars not coming into the university. Therefore, you're going to have a shortfall. I know earlier you also said that's set aside what they owe.
But isn't that part of the problem. If the state owns Tennessee State more than five.
Hundred million dollars, and then they and again the five hundred million the state, the five hundred million the state owes them is separate from that two point one billion at the federal government say they've been underfunded. So really, really Tennessee State is old about two point six billion dollars.
Yes, precisely, that's correct. The point I was making is they've always owed us money and we've managed by semester to semester with the students that come in and register. You have to understand the bread and butter of the higher education is students coming in paying their tuition fees and the students operating the universe operating from that. Now, aside from that, the university at the university is expecting to receive the funds that's been old by the state, especially first the five hundred and forty four million that their own budget analyst said was old, and it was reviewed by his superiors that it's old, So that's expected. They did put two and fifty million dollars, but then they tied a hands so it couldn't be used. They put twenty fifty million dollars providing the government's budget, but then there was so much red tape. There are so many agencies to sign off on it and so many things to be done and approval, so that we haven't used. But maybe it's just a mesical part of it, and so in essence they owe it was still a five hundred and forty four million, and honestly, part of that was supposed to be part of the second allotment that we were supposed to get. We're supposed to be used for some of the operations, and we're going to use that some of that for scholarships. But that didn't happen. They were nigged on their promise. So we got the two fifteen and we were supposed to get more after we got the two fifty and showed how we were going to use that, and we did, and then there when it came time for another allotment of that five hundred and forty four minutes, it just didn't happen. And so and so, yes, we depend on the student on that, but we absolute depend on the money from the from the state, the twenty three percent they give us. We need that, But what I'm saying is we need the five forty four million also. And what we don't need them to do is play down the fact that enrollment is down. Enrollment being down by nineteen hundred students, that's I mean twenty million dollars is for one semester alone. That is significant for the operations of the university. With payroll being eight you know, eight million dollars a month or eight point five million dollars a month. I heard a number that was maybe twice that, but I can't speak to that because I know what it was when I was there in June. It was eight and a half million a month. It was payroll, and so just that twenty million was almost the whole semesteris payroll. What I'm saying is they can't the state can't get away with bad mouth and tissue to the point there students out of siding to go other places. Students. We know why, students that come back the far we know whit is down. That's some point's on Tennessee State's part too, because our biggest month is Junior, July and August. There's more we could have done and should have done to get the students, getting more students in. But be that as it may, what the state did is unconsonable. They created an environment that was so bad that students didn't want to come into issue. I know because I'm in the street with them, on the ground with them. I'm in Memphis recruiting and Nashville recruiting. Up at East Tennessee recruiting and students are saying, we don't think they were afraid that we're going to lose our HPCU brand because of all the chaos. We said, we're gonna put you in the community college system. Parents will listen to that. Parents, I feel more phone calls from that very moment of saying want you to why don't you why don't we put tears you in the community college system. They thought they were just becoming community college if somebody's gonna take us over. There was too much uncertainty among so many students that really contributor to enrollment declined. Now the state won't admit that because in their minds that's not the problem. But they're they're not They're not talking to students. We're talking to students. We're getting answers from students with the students are telling us what is going on in their minds and their families and their churches, and they're saying, stay away from Tennessee State until they get it together. They're about to have a state takeover. Those are the things as parents are saying as to why they're sitting a students place.
Well, what do you make of the state controller Jason Munpower trying to get Tennessee State to sell its avon Williams Campus downtown Nashville. He said it couldn't at the university some forty to fifty million dollars. Some are saying, oh, this is uh, these Republicans trying to get their hands on valuable HBC land.
I just shook my head. I didn't. I had to let him work that out with the current president. You know, I just won't give my opinion. Job that just had to work through that one themselves.
Do you do you accept do you accept.
Any blame for what's going on here? Was there anything that could have been done differently? That should have been done differently? You said that y'all could have done a better job when it came to recruiting students. Just is there anything that should have been done differently on to your watch the last three to four years of Tennessee State, Well.
We were fine in three to four year we've been fined for the last I was there for eleven and a half years, and initially I could do no wrong. Labeled all degrees. They were talked about me. Loved being the Glover. It wasn't until Glenda Glover challenged that system of discrimination against Tennessee State University. That's where it all started. When I looked a him and there and the eye and said, you.
When you say challenge the system, do you mean saying sent us that five hundred million dollars.
Yes, at that time we n't know how much it was, but we know it was something. We had done some preliminary numbers ourselves, and we had come up with different different sets of numbers, but it was enough to present to them to go get legislators together, one or two legislates together, and I won't call your name tonight, and go with me to the governor to meet with the then governor, who was really surprised. And I believe he was honest, and he said he was surprised. He didn't know that we were not being funded, we were not being matched our fund it. That was the first thing we had to do was bring their attention. Presidents have to be courageous enough to tell the truth, you know, because it's there's so much that they're saying that's just so not true. Because the truth doesn't care whose mouth comes out of. So I was I said, somebody, there'll be some casualty. Some presidents will be casual I'm one, but I don't take that back. You know, they're saying to me. You know, sometimes at some point, we just got to stop blaming the state that said, what do you mean the state has blamed itself. They didn't study I didn't that said we owe you five hundred and forty four millions. The state is the one that said, go into your reserve funds and operate for a moment, because we're not going to pay you the money we owe you. It's a state that said, pay this firm one point two million dollars per month, not per year, per month, to run this this this two and fifty million dollars and we're giving you and we don't when you you have a choice in it, you either do it or you're not getting more money to do another project we had. So it was that kind of cruelty and this kind of hypocrisy that has to be addressed. And so now that I'm not president, I can address it. You know, I got my First Amendment rights back, and so that's where we are with this.
Last question for you.
Is it insulting to hear the interim president and others say that you mismanged resources when you are a certified public accountant.
They make it.
They are laying it out as if you had no clue how to manage money.
You know, I know the interim president. I've known him for a number of years. He and I've been friends. I spoken this inauguration when he became president of ak Atlanta. So I won't say anything ugly about the interim president. I know him, I know his wife, and so yes, it's hurtful because it takes It's like growing up in a pool home like I did, when you watch your mother and father take what little money they had and pay all the bills that were on the table. That's what we had to do because the state has ignored TSU. They pretend like they won't what's best for TISU, but yet right now they do so many distractions. This is just a distraction from the money. They don't care about this agreement I have my retirement agreement. They don't care about the fact that there are no students there right now. In fact that I think they like that because now it's like we're so depending on you to give us the money. They're said, we're going to advance you forty three million dollars. What are you talk about advanced You owe us money. If you go to do anything, take out the funds you owe us. Somebody has to say to tell the truth, you know. And so when they say that, that's the part that is so unfortunate that they will not speak the truth. They rather create distractions and talk about other things rather than say we did not fund TSU properly. So here's what we're going to do. We're gonna remove this restriction. It's two hunred and fifty million dollars. It's already the budgets already there, already vote on it, ready to go. We're gonna move that infrastructure, the infrastructure restriction and let you use the money and for operations. Rather than say we're gonna do this, you cut this in. And then one law maker said, officer said, we're gonna tear it down to the court build it back up again. What do you mean you're gonna tear tears you down to build it back up. That that was an outrageous statement. I mean, it makes your blood crawdy. Here somebody say that somebody has a BS degree who knows nothing about higher education of advanced education. That was so insultant to me. That's what's insultant to Talking about me doesn't really matter that much because I look, I trust God. I know he'll take care of all this. I trust God. I know that. When you when I went to them and told them, you have to pay some money you owe us, you know, it's like that story of Jesus. And I'm not comparing myself to Jesus R. Anyway, But as long as he went about saying I'm the son of God, I came to say the world, Oh, they so he's crazy. To let him go. But the moment he challenged that Roman establishment, they said he has to go, and so I situated I find myself in. It was fine until we told them, you owe us money and you have to pay us the money you owe us. You have to pay up, and that's when everybody started coming out, from them to Glover and so. But I'm used to a fight, you know. I was born to fight. I grew up in a civil rights home. I watched my dad fight in the civil rights movement, and so I was born to a fight like this. And despite for my university is and I'm passionate about that I love for the students. I fight for the students all day, every day, and so let's what I say. I'm happy to be a part of the Tears You Found. I'm happy to be a Tears You alarm so that I can join in in that fight to get the money that they owe TSU, to get rid of the dog un distraction that they're talking about, just so they can keep TEARSU and have a way to say that they're not doing this. No, we don't have funds that semestery. But it's not because what I did. It's what the students didn't come back. We could have done a little bit better with recruit with July, June, July and Harkins. That's our biggest monk to follow up with the students, to do more follow up with them, to say to them, you know, we're not here. When those you have registered, you have returned to school, but don't put on scholarships. They didn't get their scholarship. That was four years ago and even this first year eight hundred students. That's nothing to do with scholarships. That's just to say that we have eight hundred students because they were promised scholarships. Scholarships. How many were promise scholarships. Hold give it their name so we can look it up and see that's just simply not true. That's a red hair. That's a distraction. And that's what this general assembling is doing, where the key leaders keep for photograph, they come up with distractions, and they love having me as a distraction. But I can clear up my distraction because I got an agreement. I have an agreement that says you have four years left me your contract. So if you want me out of there, they would give me the suggestions of how to do it. That's what's so hypocritical about it. But that's okay. I'm just happy that to be here so we could talk through it. And you can see that. And by the way, we didn't leave. There was no all the money was not spent. They said. Somebody said all the money was spent. That was close to nine or ten million dollars left in the reserve fund, and that I'm sure about. And so that's what I'm saying. There are so many mistruths and non truths that come out, but that's how it is. When they're fighting a battle and trying to win a case. That is just there is no case. So look before we hang up, all right, let me say I lost my good friend and the best attorney I've ever come in contact with, a Scott Bodham. Happy always to share a show with him, a MoMA with him, because he is by far the best that you can encounter, that one could encounter.
No, oh, lord, I don't even know if our television is wide enough of to get his head into the screen.
Now, doctor Glover, we certainly appreciate it. Thanks a lot, Thank.
You, thank you so much. Goodbye.
All right, I'm going to go to right.
Folks would be right back with our panel, including the totally gas up Scott Bolden. You're watching rollingd Mark Down. Philip's right here in the Black stud Network.
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Let's get it going with our panel, all right, joining us right now.
Givin Reynolds contributed with the Root.
Former speechwriter, the vice president of kon Layer that's from New Haven, Connecticut. Daniel Blackman, former Biden appointee, founder of Renaissance ninety four out of Atlanta, and also a Scott Bolden. Uh he is, of course attorney, former head of the National Bar Association pack and of course, as doctor Glover said, uh, attorney for doctor Glovers.
Let me just go ahead. I'll start with you. Scott's he needs to think that.
That's this quote of her, she said, I said again, she said, I'm standing attorney, one of the best, and say I have done it.
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All right, let's get all right, Let's get right to it.
Here's the thing that is, I've seen this in so many other places.
I've seen these people.
Republicans and also some Democrats complain about HBCUs, complain about all sorts of things.
The state owes them two point six billion dollars.
Yeah, so you want to come to me or you whoever you're going to, But I will.
Tell you, I said Scott, I look, I'm bored, Devin.
First, No, no, listen, this is pure politics Republican legislature.
You see what they did.
Over the last three or four years with their black state legislators.
That didn't work. But you know, TSU is a is a land.
Grant university and college, which means there are the federal government gives them money and every other land grand institution like UDC and a couple of black colleges in Maryland.
In fact, there's been ongoing litigation. They may have settled it now.
It was ongoing litigation for this very issue of how the federal government and state governments historically under funded these land grants institutions. And then complain that they're mismanaged, or they're underfunded, or they've got accounting issues, or the scrutiny on what they've.
Done with their money.
You can't have that.
Discussion if you owe that institution money and you don't disagree that you owe them five hundred and six hundred million, and you don't disagree that Defen's assessment is two point one billion. But you just said we're not going to pay you, and then we're going to criticize you and enterim. It is the height of hypocrisy and the depth of arrogance, and so Dophin Glevern just laid it out. The other thing she did not say is you know she's got certified, signed, executed contracts.
They are two contracts, right.
They paid her own part of her first contract, which was the buy out. The board of trustees approve this, Their general counsel approved this, and these are representatives, some were representatives of the Republican administration and the Governor's office who makes appointments to that board. They paid part of it already, so they he can't get out of the first contract. And a second contract is a four year contract. Well, she's actually performeding. She's working. It's not like a you know, it's not like a buyout. She's a special advisor to the president. Everybody signed off on it. So her job is to raise money and to be an ambassador for the TSU, which she's been doing.
They've paid her three or four months on that contract.
She's not in that well employee. She's a contract employee unless they want to breach the contract. Because right now they're currently in breach of the contract. I sent them a letter yesterday demanding or reminded them there and breached the contract and to cure it. Because their financial roles is in one bucket, but my clients got two contracts in the other that they've been performing on.
So it's hard to get around it.
And for public officials to say terminate that contract, well, if.
It goes to litigation, they're going to.
Be the first witnesses that get called in discovery because they're trying to interfere with that contract simply because they want to Scapegolder not gonna have under our collective watch. And thank you for covering this so long with her this morning, this afternoon, rather.
See Gavin, this is the thing that that that I need a lot of our people to understand. They got to understand the games that are being played here. So you withhold money from Tennessee State, You send money to University of Tennessee, you fund their operations.
When they have a.
Housing issue, you help them acquire hotels, and so then you say, well, you'll having problems over here. Why is it the governor and the Republicans of Legislature, how is it that they easily found money to build a new stadium for the Tennessee Titans in Nashville, but they can't find the money for Tennessee State.
Well's the episodes like these just remind us of the prioritization or the deprioritization that states have on black progress. And we've seen this throughout history. Obviously, this is not happening in a vacuum either in this moment in time just at TSU. It's happening at other universities. We talked about how public land grain HBCUs have been underfunded two billion dollars over the past thirty years, but it's also been happening over time, and it's not just in terms of universities.
Right.
States have looked for so many.
Ways and it's the present day Republican supermajorities who have always been the ones to do whatever they can to stifle Black progress. We saw this during Reconstruction, when black folks were making tremendous progress towards self governing. Those in power at the time who opposed Reconstruction then tried to claim that black people were incapable of governing themselves, which led to the violent overthrow of Reconstruction. And we saw that happen in a modern day context with TSU or earlier this year when Governor Lee passed or signed the bill that the state legislature the General Assembly passed to dissolve.
The whole board.
Again, another example in our nation's history playing out right now on the campus of TSU War being waged by the state against black progress, again to show that, as they say, black people are not capable of governing themselves. And again, this is happening across the country, not just in higher education, but in so many other capacities. And we should prepare, by the way, over the next four years for more of this, not just with MAGA Republicans at the state level, but also Donald Trump at the federal level.
We see in the cabinet.
Nominees that he's putting in place right now, a complete antagonization of the black community, whether it's going to be whoever ends up leading the DOJ or any other cabinet department, which over the past four years has actually been committed to equity and diversity and support awarding black progress. We're going to see a lot of that progress be erased over the next four years, not justin Tennessee but across the country.
I just sit here, and you know, I've covered.
These issues so often, Daniel.
I've covered them out one hundred and seven HBCUs.
I've been a sixty of them.
I have sat down and I have had conversations with presidents, with board of trustees, with alumni, and on and on and on.
And I don't care. And it is a fact. It is a fact.
And I have talked to enough people who are graduates of Tennessee State, people in the state legislature, Republicans in Tennessee had no problem with what was happening at Tennessee State. Most of them have never even visited the campus on tail they asked for a month. That's in all of a suddence stuff change.
I mean, look, look, you're singing to the choir man. I mean, I'm a lum of Clarke at Land Universe, and my wife's in a lum of Spelman College.
We get it.
We see the.
Playbook and you know, you, brother Martin, you're in Georgia, and you know when you think of what the University of Georgia and Fort Valley as a land grant college went through this same scenario where when they did the audit, they found that the University of Georgia as an agricultural university and Fort Valley, which is an HBCU and also a land grant college, what they realized was that there was a disproportionate amount of funding coming into the state that was going to UGA versus Fort Valley. And we saw that right and the same thing we're seeing, and I think we really need to just pay attention to what's happening, not only now, but this has been going on with HBCUs and the attack on our HBCUs similar to our Black Farmers, has been going on for over a decade. We've seen this and I think this is now the epitome of what they can do. As you mentioned earlier, I think now that the President has the House and the Senate.
The courts.
Is first term, we're going to see a massive attack on HBCUs and funding that they're old and I think we need to be very serious and intentional about not only paying attention, but we can't wait till this gets to the next second, third, fourth, or fifth HPCU. If we don't come together now, not just as an alum but as a community behind what's happening at this institution, we're going to be in trouble.
And it's not just going to.
Be those types of schools when it comes into other areas. We can't cry foul then if we're not raising our voices now with what's going on in TCU TSU.
And here's the thing, Scott, this does not means that we cannot have accountability with our institutions.
I am not one who says that goes on them.
I believe you got to have your teams, cross, your eyes dotted. I believe you must be doing stuff the right way. I believe you paidwork.
Must be right. I believe those things must be happening.
I believe you must be looking at best practices and you must be doing the best with what you've got.
But again again when I look.
At what when I saw that hearing, and these Republicans are like, I don't understand why are all these students going to Tennessee State and they're not going to our other schools because they don't want to go to your other schools. And this is the reality that people need to understand. Republicans in Tennessee do not want Tennessee State to look like the University of Tennessee. They want University of Tennessee to be the flagship of the university.
They don't want that because now you truly do have options.
The reality is one of the reasons that many black students who do bypass HBCUs.
It's a question of facilities.
You don't have the Wi Fi, you don't have the dorms, you don't have the amenities. And if you have a university that's sitting here and they're old two point six billion dollars, can you imagine this ain't hard at all. If they're saying TSU has a forty three million dollars shortfall, if they gave TSU as two point six billion dollars, that means that if TSU enrolled eight hundred new students.
Every year for the next decade.
Then they could spend five hundred million dollars on a short fall and still have two point one billion leftover. What that means that Tennessee State potentially could be investing that two point six billion dollars and actually be reaping the benefits of that. And so people need to understand there's account building in the part of the university and administrators. Absolutely, but we should never let these lawmakers off the hook that have cheated Tennessee State, Fort Valley State, Florida A and m Texas of the university, all these public HBCUs out of federal taxpayer dollars that boosted predominantly white institutions.
It's a simple calculation. It don't get any simpler than that.
And you know, you drop the mic on that.
And then you look at the Republican decision makers and then you say, well, why won't you pay them?
And whether they got excuses.
Or not, it doesn't really matter because if it was the white.
School in those states, they catch that.
Money up at a heartbeat because they never got behind because it was all supposed to be equal distribution.
But here's the other thing about money and accountability rolling.
I'm on the board of trustees from Morehouse, a chair of governance committee, dealt these issues all the time, even as a private institution that.
Gets federal health The number one reason students.
Cannot go to historical black colleges isn't just the facility, but we don't have enough money to give them scholarships at a level high enough that we can compete with white institutions of academic learning.
They have more money and better facilities.
So then you say accountability, okay, But if I'm under funded, right, there is a direct relationship between capabilities and competence and ability to be accountable and money. If I got the money, I can hire talented people and keep me accountable on the books and so forth and so on. If I can't afford to pay people, I'm paying them less, and those who are the ones who are more at the best, they're going to go somewhere else and get paid more money.
So that I have to hire who I can.
Hire right who They may not be the best at what they do, but they're committed to the HBC you and the mission and would have you, and so I don't put accountability and the money owed in separate buckets. It's one bucket. They're a direct relation relationship between it. And after the COVID money came to hpc US and made all of them debt free, they were able to hire the best and the brightest. But in order to sustain that, if you get the stateholds these A and M's money, they've got to pay. Then they got to pay up at some point. But you're gonna have a perpetual problem. You can't tear it down for the studs and build it back up without that money, P and O.
Because where you're gonna get it from, where you gonna get it from.
It only got to come from the state, and you owe the money, so you're gonna have to pay up.
Period.
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From some breaking news moments ago in North Carolina. I told y'all how the Republicans in North Carolina do, how they are always trash. They now because the Democrats won the governor's race, tendant governor's race, Secretary of state, Attorney general. Now, these Republicans have passed laws stripping loads of power from the governor because they don't want Democrats having to control let's go right now. Let's go right now. To give me one second, I'm gonna go live to our guest. She's joining us right now. Give me one second. I'm pulling the information up Anina Amber Baker. She's a North Carolina state representative. Amber Glad is Amber there, I'm here.
Can you hear me?
Okay, Amber Glad to have you here, So, y'a, y'all can hear you.
Here's the deal.
Because of what happened in the vote, y'all have been able to break the Republicans' super majority. So they're trying to ram through these laws to all sorts of power from the Democrats that were elected. Tell the people how nashurally the Republicans are the work that they're doing there in North Carolina. Amber, we lost your sound. We're trying to get it, trying to get it back. So hold on one second. We have it now, Amber, you just keep talking Amber, all right, y'all. So y'all let me know when we have Amber. Yeah, now we got your Amber. Now, are you there?
Can you hear me? Yeah, we hear your Amber, go right ahead, okay.
So we thought we were just coming in to deal with the governor's veto and perhaps the third round of relief hurricane relief, but that was not what we dealt with. First of all, they gave us one hundred and eighteen page bill for the relief bill. Very few of the dollars were directed towards continued relief. Over five hundred million was in there for vouchers, and then there was a whole pluck for bills stripping away the powers for the Education Department, judges being stripped away, powers being put under the under the newly elected Republican.
Treasurer.
It was just.
Bananas, and I mean the bill that did the most amount of damage was not even known to the people that what the bill really was. So the bill came in as a dental hygiene bill, but then it was turned into a conference report and a whole bunch of really crazy legislation was added and then sent over to the Senate. The next step was for the Senate to approve that bill. Today, it will be going to the Governor's office tomorrow. We expect that the governor will veto it, and we're scheduled to come back on December second, which their goal probably will be to try to overturn that veto. What also is important to notice is that we have four Democrats that voted with them, and so even though we anticipate a one seat majority in the upcoming session, we've got to begin to neutralize those Democrats that will continue to vote with the Republicans on some of this craziness.
And say, again, the same thing happened in Wisconsin. Democrat was electing Tony Evers. Republicans trip them a power.
This is what they do.
It's all about retribution, it's all about holding onto power. And this is why I keep trying to explain to people while the Supreme Court racist matter. At one point the Democrats the majority on the State Supreme Court, and then they could have had a sixty one majority.
Beasley lost. It was four to three.
Then the court flipped non Republican of five to two majority. Allison Riggs is holding on. You've got Anita Earls is going to be up in twenty twenty six. Three Republicans are on the ballot in twenty twenty eight, and so folks have got to be focused in flipping this Supreme Court from Republicans Democrat. That will also stop a lot of the things that Republicans are doing in North Carolina, and.
They can't be distracted just by what's happening at the federal level. You know, although what Trump is participation, anticipating on doing when he's sworn in in January very much mirrors what's happening at the states. And as you said so many times and others as well, is that we have to be focused on our state races and what's happening in our state legislature that we can be the gap stop between what Trump is propos and what actually can happen in our respective states. So the fact that they now have they right now, they still have control of the Senate. We're waiting on a couple of races still to be called. We did break it in the House by one vote, but and Allison Riggs is holding on to her seat by just slightly over one hundred votes. They're still waiting for a couple of counties to be counted. It is important for people to understand what's happening at the state level. Mae Green, who was the first African American superintendent of schools state superintendent of instruction. That's another reason why they are dismantling that another five hundred million went yesterday to vouchers. If nothing else, they misunderstood the optics of that. We still have so many more issues present, issues that need to be addressed in western North Carolina, and so the least of those was an additional five hundred to go to vouchers.
Well, listen, y'all, hands are full, let me do this year. My palm may have some questions. Givin you got a question for the.
State rep Yeah, Representative, thanks so much for joining us and for what you're doing on the ground in North Carolina. I'm from Georgia myself, and I know the fight that we're up against in the South, So thank you for the fight that you're fighting for us. Can you talk a little bit more about the proposed changes to the appointments the state Elections Board. I've read and you kind of alluded to this a minute ago, that there are some proposed changes to put the power of who gets appointed to that board now with the state Auditor, who will be a Republican right in the next session. So can you talk a little bit more about that provision?
How would work?
Yeah, So, as some of your viewers may know, is that we had the first female black female that was appointed to that position, and we were hopeful that she would have been elected to that position, which would have given us the governor, the lieutenant governor, the Secretary of State, and attorney general. But so the way it worked out, it didn't. So now the way that the legislation has written is that all one hundred counties in terms of who gets appointed, will be now under the jurisdiction of the auditor. So he will row all one hundred jurisdictions voting jurisdictions for our state.
Scott, Yeah, Representative of Good Evening.
You know, the first question is always is the legislation legal? Is the legislature's kind of General Counsel's office signing off the constitutionality and the legality of this legislation just seems to be out of whack with the will of the people and those Democrats who are elected.
And secondly, you.
Know, the Republicans do retribution a lot better than Democrats do. I don't care what's yours diction in you are planning some retribution for these four Democrats who have lost their minds and voted with the Republicans.
Well, we have not discussed that directly. I anticipate that that will be some of the discussion that we need to have and to afford to be adjusted addressed, because as you've heard me say on here before, we needed to flip more than one seat, because you know, we have consistently had three or more Democrats that have historically voted with the Republicans. So this was nothing new, but we had hope that it, given the extreme nature of what they were trying to do, that they would have voted with with their with their party and and indeed with us as a caucus. In terms of the legality of it. Right now, they don't care. They have the Supreme Court, so they are they are prepared to whatever actions they need to take all the way to the Supreme Court. And again I will remind the viewers that the Supreme Court is held one of the son of the of the Speaker pro tem in the Senate. So the Speaker pro Tem's son serves on the Supreme Court, and so he has refused to accuse him recuse himself on anything that is in conflict, and so that's what we're dealing with. We also know that two of the Superior Court judges positions were in the process of being decommissioned for lack of a better word, and those vacated I'm sorry, and those positions will now also come under a Republican led department. The two the two positions were one right here in for South County Superior Court Judge Todd Burke because he had ruled against uh the the maps and the Jerrymander maps. And another judge who I can't think of his name right now, but again he also had ruled against the Republicans. And so when we talk about retribution and retaliatory actions, those two judges potentially could be without positions at the end of their terms.
Real quick, one last quick question, that is, does the legislature both houses are they veto proof or can they override the governor's veto And much of this legislation.
Not At this point, we are we are. We heard about one seat yesterday, but they did lose a couple of seats, so and there are still a couple of races that are toss up races in the Senate right now.
They do not have.
The veto proof majority in the Senate. We are still awaiting some the final resorts, final results on a couple of races over there but right now we are holding it by one seat.
Good luck, Thank you, Daniel, go ahead, Yeah, I think you know.
Representative Baker.
My biggest question Roland bought it up earlier, and that's these races in twenty twenty eight.
And I think there needs to be a long term strategy.
Too often we see democratic spaces where we're planning for the next election, whereas they're planning a decade out.
So could you talk just a little bit about what is your plan looking.
At you know, focusing on the Supreme Court in twenty twenty eight, looking at other seats that are coming up, to start planning now for long time transitional power that Democrats quite frankly, haven't really yielded.
So I'll be honest with you, it's both and both and and but right we need to not only focus on twenty twenty eight, but we have the men terms started on November sixth. See, we run every two years in North Carolina, both in the House and in the Senate, so we can't bypass twenty twenty six elections. We came very close to flipping a number of seats, and so we need to also focus on twenty twenty six in terms of ensuring that we hold on to and extend our veto proof majority in the House, and indeed work with the Senate to make sure that they get the veto proof majority in the Senate, and that needs to occur in twenty twenty six. With that being said, you know, this was the first time that we implemented one hundred county strategy, and we were competing and contesting and districts that we hadn't and so there is a focus on making sure that we re engage our rural voters, which is extremely critical, and also making sure that we are reaching out to those unaffiliated voters to make sure that we can engage them in a way that they now are part of our Democratic caucus to begin to show up these races. And here's the reality that you don't hear any of the mainstream media talking about. But indeed, as always a conversation on Rolling Show is that we can't overcome racism and the refusal of America to deal with the racism and the refusal no matter how qualified a black candidate is that it is difficult for us to overcome that. So the best way to do that is to extend our base and spend time with our young people, find out what's important to them. What does camp painting look like in this generation? It doesn't look like our campaigning, It doesn't look like our parents' campaigning. So how do we engage and motivate these young voters? And I can tell you here in Winston Salem, when's it Some state students were not playing day one when students started to move in, they were out there registering voters, keeping students engaged. So people are paying attention. And as Democrats, we have got to be in tune to what our what our party currently looks like. And we need to deliver on the promises that are always made around election time but never delivered on representative We appreciate it. Thank you so very much, represented Baker. Look y'all cap with the fight. Thank you sir, folks.
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Ah Man things guy heated on Capitol Hell, y'all, they were dealing with the issue of di and let me tell you something, the two of the black women on this panel were not having any of it. First up here, as Congresswoman Jasmine Procket of Texas bring in the fuck.
So many of you know that I practiced law, but some of you don't realize that I actually was a business major out of.
Rhodes College in Mephicinescy.
And the emphasis that I got in my business degree was on finance, and as I traveled the country campaigning this election cycle, one of the things that I talked about was this idea that in finance we always promote this idea of diversity. If you know anything about a portfolio, the one thing that you want to do is make sure that it's as diverse as possible, because at times, certain stocks will perform better than others, and they will exemplify various strengths and weaknesses, and together, a diverse portfolio is usually what any good finance person would promote. They wouldn't promote that you solely invest in vanilla wafers, believing that that is going to be the strongest portfolio, but instead they may want to add some chocolate cake and some twinkies into the mix to make sure that we have the best portfolio, because there will be different preferences by different people, and again there will be different strengths. But as I sit here and I think about what we say and what I'm hearing as it relates to diversity when it comes to anything outside of making money, and to be clear, we are losing GDP every time we try to push back on this idea of diversity because all of us bring something different to the table. But you consistently said over and over the word oppression, and every time that you said it, it was almost as if I was hearing nails on a chalkboard, because it seems like you don't understand the definition of oppression, and I'd ask.
You to just refer to Google to help you out. Oppression is the.
Prolonged cruel or unjust treatment or control. That is the definition of oppression. And so as I sit here as a black woman who practiced civil rights, let me tell you the reason that my colleagues wanted to make sure you understood the same black history that your your side of the aisle wants a delete out of classrooms, is because you can then misuse words like oppression. There has been no oppression for the white man in this country. You tell me which white men were dragged out of their homes. You'll tell me which one of them got dragged all the way across an ocean and told that you are gonna go at work, we are gonna seal your wives, we are gonna rape your wives.
That didn't happen. That is oppression.
We didn't ask to be here. Were not the same migrants that y'all constantly come up against. We didn't run away from home, we were stolen. So yeah, we are gonna sit here and be offended when you want to sit here and act like and and don't let it escape you that it is white men on this side of the aisle telling us people of color on this side of the aisle, that y'all are the ones being oppressed, That y'all are the ones that are being harmed. That's not the definition of oppression. You tell me the prolonged, cruel or unjust treatment that you've had, and we can have a conversation.
You can start with eXess the final.
Thing that I will say on this particular issue. Two things.
There is an article from the Guardian and it is a little old. It's from twenty twenty one, so I apologize, but it said that back then, just three years ago, white men represent thirty percent of the population, but sixty two percent of officeholders.
These are the.
Issues that we are constantly looking at and recognizing and trying to say, is this just. I can't even tell you how many white men have served in this chamber, but I can tell you that I I am only the fifty fifth black woman to be elected to Congress. And so when you want to talk about history and pretend as if it was so long ago, it wasn't because again, I am just number fifty five. Finally, when we start to talk about what do these numbers do, as we're trying to say the diversity, equity and inclusion is the problem, the reality is that when it comes to financial performance, companies with more diverse workforces.
Are more likely to outperform their competitors.
Companies in the top quartile for racial diversity are thirty five percent more likely to outperform their peers on profitability. Companies with diverse executive teams are twenty five percent more likely.
To generate greater profits.
Diverse companies earn two point five times higher cash flow per employee.
Diversity works.
And until you can show me data that says otherwise, I think that we need to go back to being a country that listens to experts and gets out of our feelings and recognizes again that racism is real in this country.
And until we stop pretending.
That it's not, we will not solve the problems that we are consistently facing, and that will bring real unity that we seek when we're looking for a more perfect.
Union cog Lee, she said, I want some of that.
I'm not in favor of the dismantled Diversity Equity Inclusion Act, or what it maybe would more aptly be called the dismantling any symblance of support or opportunity for certain American acts.
And we know who those Americans are.
Americans who have not enjoyed centuries of unfair advantages by keeping others enslaved or segregated or disenfranchised, or incarcerated or redlined or gerrymandered or excluded by law. Americans who've led with disabilities or have the relationships criminalized.
Are their gender expression demonized for being honest?
Here, this bill, which will wipe out every diversity equity and inclusion program in our federal agencies, plus those who contract with us, plus those who receive grant money, plus our schools, is nothing new.
This is just the final piece of.
A decade long obsession with targeting and dismantling anything that might give marginalized people a fair shot, including DEI programs, which honestly started the second the Civil Rights Act. Past policies like affirmative action and diversity equity and inclusion are the closest things we've had to the mythical bootstraps that some of my colleagues insists.
Historically and currently harmed.
Communities need to pick themselves up by after centuries of efforts to keep us out of schools and universities, from jobs and elected office Republicans targeting these policies are no accident. Why do predominantly conservative white men believe that the success of a black person or the opportunity or access of a black person is an existential threat to them? DEI has not given any unfair advantage that society itself does not already con for on certain Americans. It merely exists to ensure that all other people that women minoritize, folks, queer folks, disabled folks, have the same opportunities to succeed and thrive in our workforce and our schools as people who have not had those opportunities systematically and legally stripped from them do. Is our country not greater when all of us have opportunities to succeed and contribute and survive. Our success and our survival as a nation is bound together. Diversity, equity and inclusion programs only exist to band aid over decades, hell centuries of discrimination against people's skin, color, the religion, disabilities, gender, or.
Sexual orientations, you name it.
Contrary to Republican conjecture, remedying past discrimination is not, in turn a discrimination. And we're not going to sit here and pretend racism is over just because one black person on the Supreme Court agreed that.
It should be.
What DEI does not do is give some kind of magical paths to better jobs, like some of our colleagues are implying that middle word equity does not mean more than or better than. It means treating people fairly and impartially, it means working to fix generational and systemic discrimination to the betterment of all of us in all of our institutions. But instead of Republicans are trying to bastardize the term DEI to be a slurt. When Justice Cadangi Brown Jackson was up for confirmation and when Vice President Harris was added to the ticket, they called them DEI hires. They want you to believe that a Harvard graduate with over twenty years of experience who happens to be a black woman is not qualified, but a Fox News personality is qualified to run the Department of Defense, and the WWE executive is.
Qualified to run the Department of Education.
Let's be real, there is an attempt to create a direct correlation between our race, being a black person and our qualifications, so much as to say that there is no way to be a black woman. There is no resume that a black person could have that would qualify them unless that black person is a Republican and.
There is a quota there.
And while all of this has happened at the time level of our government, I can promise you these same things are happening on every single.
Level of government and private sector.
But those people don't have a national platform to speak out against excriminatory treatment. Where is a federal worker supposed to turn when another coworker says a racist comment to them.
In the break room?
Where is the same sex couple who has denied housing supposed to because of their relationship excuse me supposed to turn?
Where as a pregnant woman who was fired for being pregnant supposed to go?
Often the only place that they have to give them recourse are the diversity, equity and inclusion programs.
These folks just want to do their jobs.
Serving the American people in an environment that feels safe and supports them making work. A better, safer environment for some does not mean it automatically is worse for others. And those complaining about the I training are probably the ones who needed the most. My Republican colleagues have got to stop punching down them already marginalized communities and face their own fears of.
A level playing field. Privately, it's shameful. I yeel back.
See that's what I'm talking about, Daniel. While you gotta have black representation in the room.
Let me tell you something, man.
I wish them sisters had a campaign donation button up when they were speaking. We have to stand up when we see people not just speaking truth to power. But you know, we cannot continue to allow the types of things that are happening to continue without being vocal. And I think one thing about this group, this platform sharing with you all and with our other speakers, is we're seeing this happening in real time. And there was a time in my generation. I'm forty five, there was a time in my generation that a lot of us were like, we don't see how they could have did this. In nineteen sixty eight, or they wouldn't have hit me like this when I was crossing the edmun Pettisburgh.
This is our nineteen sixty eight. This is our time to not just sit in the corner idly by.
We have too many brilliant minds coming out of Howard and Clark, Atlanta, Moorhouse, Spelman, Florida, and m We can no longer stand idly by while they were under the threat that they're just going to happen. So I actually am not only proud of what those sisters said. I'm not only proud of how they stood there, but I hope they inspired people around them to do the same. Because as you heard the second sister, Miss summer Lee, when she mentioned about the qualifications, we're acting as if we haven't been disrespected in the sense of being overfall. Hey, Michelle Obama was the most decorated, educated, degree having first lady in the history of our country, yet and still there were questions about her qualifications as the first lady. So when we see these things happening to Vice President Harris or to our sister that sits on the Supreme Court, Justice Brown, we have to step up and stop allowing them to dumb it down and accept it as if it's normal.
Givin Yeah, look, Roland, I mean, the past few weeks have been really hard for a lot of Democrats, including myself, but you know, hearing these clips, I feel a lot of hope about the future of our party because of young leaders like.
Congresswoman Lee and Congresswoman Crockett.
And if I could speak just about Jasmon Crockett for a minute, no one says it quite like she does. I think she's one of the most effective communicators and messengers that we have in the entire Democratic Party. I'm really excited that a lot of people got to know her and got to see her and hear her during this campaign cycle at the DNC where I was on the speech writing team, as you know, Roland, and on this very show. I remember Land on the first day of early voting in Texas, you did an interview with her. And so platforms like these so important, right for making sure the American people, including those in our community, know about those leaders who are in these spaces and in these rooms speaking up about the issues that matter most.
To our community.
I think it's also important to underscore that you know, congress women Lee Crockett, and you know, all those who are in our Congressional Black Caucus, they're not just speaking up about these issues, they're speaking up about the issues that matter most to the American people, whether it's a cost of food, the cost of housing, healthcare acts is reproductive freedom. They're on the front lines for so many of these issues that directly impact our communities. And of course the EI and the attacks that we're seeing are included in that. But our leaders are on the front lines making sure that our country moves forward on so many issues. And I think with these clips, we're reminded of just how fortunate our community is, and in fact, the American people are to have representatives, true representatives like Jasmine Crockett and Summerly who are standing up for our community and for the people and against these attacks that maga Republicans. Again, it's their side that's bringing these attacks, that are talking about.
DEI and all of this.
They're the ones who are bringing these attacks, and they're going to be a lot of them over the next four years. But I'm so grateful and I'm excited that we have representatives like Summerly and Jasmine Crockett, and I know, Jasmin Crockett ran for DPCC chair earlier this week. That's a Democratic Policy and Communications Committee. She didn't win, but I'm really excited to see how she and congress Woman Lead continue to lead and to riot within this party.
You know, Scott, there are a lot of people obviously who are frustrated. They're sad, they are.
Angry, they are people is talking about giving up all sort of stuff like that. And I've had people, I've hat people tell me, I mean, I don't understand.
How you just moved on.
I said, Well, first of all, I didn't just move on, I said, I said, I know what happened. I said, but what I also realized is there is a tomorrow and you're looking at two individuals. Republicans right now control the House. They're going to control the Senate. They're going to control the.
White House after January twentieth.
And I just got to remind people that there were days when Oscar de Priest, when Ralph Metcalf, when of John Conyers, when you had black folks who in Congress, and they had Adam Clayton Powell, and they were they were dealing with just straight up hardcore, violent racist.
And they went to work every day.
They went to work every day in the face of Jim Crow, Jim Crow segregation.
And I think what this generation has to understand is it's now your time.
And you can either give up, be desponded, be sad, go into a state of depression, or.
You can fight.
And for me, I'm not gonna do that bullshit. Joe and Mika did go Go tomorrow, Largo and let's do a reset. Hell no, my studio is two blocks from the White House. My studio is two blocks from the White House. I have absolutely no intention, no intention on going to the White House for the next four years after January twentieth. I'm not gonna normalize this administration. I'm not gonna sit here and play footy with this administration. But I need folk to understand that, David, there is still a fight to be had, because there is still a tomorrow that we must focus on.
And that's what these two sisters are doing.
Yeah, yeah, you know, Roland, I talked to Jerry's for a living at least three or four times a year, and so when I hear the sisters talk, I'm listening. Not just for cadence with substance eloquence, articulation and discipline and no.
Emotion, right.
And what bothers me most about those two presentations aren't the presentations, but how eloquently they laid.
Out the hypocrisy ocoacy.
And what bothers me is that the hypocrisy that is so clear in the both sides of this issue, why.
It's not resonating with the majority of Americans that why don't they get it, or if they get it, they just ignore it.
And I'm talking about just Republicans, I'm talking about independence and Democrats as well. Our fifty percent of America voted for Donald Trump and are endorsing these appointments that are nothing less than embarrassing.
You know, I think you're right.
About you know, I think about the brothers and sisters, our parents, our grandparents who fall in the thirties, forties, fifties, sixties, seventies and eighties, right, what character or manner of men they were to fight against.
Outright segregation and racial oppression? And the night writers.
You know, I think about your parents who I don't want to pick a line, but we're registered people to vote for the last thirty forty fifty years of my dad and Reverend Singleton and Joliet, Illinois, who were foot soldiers from Martin Luther King and in the face desegrogating education as to hospitals and the government.
They let me tell you something, that was what the real freedom fighters.
We we seem like we don't want to fight that much, or we there's not that much to fight about. But my father on his deathbed said, we've seen Trump before, We've seen him worse. He talked about Governor Wallace and Bull Connor in Philadelphia said, you know, we y'all, y'all crazy about Trump.
But let me tell you something.
We've been fighting the same stuff for the last thirty forty fifty years, two hundred.
Years, if you will. So to the young people and to my generation, load up. We got to ride out. You may not like the fight, You may think that we've gotten past that. But as Professor.
Clauday says, A Glaw says, America's got to face the racism and sexism, misogyny and xenophobia.
That it is not who it wants it to be, not who.
America wants to be, but who it is because this is this last election showed us who America still is. As we try to form this more perfect union. There's a time of work to do.
And we can't do it by ourself.
So you're right, you can.
You can get be depressed for a day or two, but in the end you got to get up and get back in the fight because the fight is real.
You're not going away and it's not gonna change.
We not gonna win.
Unless it's up to us, unless we do it. So we all have that responsibility.
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Love, what's wrong with y'all? Maybe y'all don't want them? Anybody know what's in it? Oh, I can't wait, my pau talk about that. Folks.
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The Republican Landhouse Ethics Committee dead locked on releasing the report on former congress and Matt Gates. Donald Trump, of course, is nominated him to be the Attorney General. Republicans don't want that report release. Speaking, Mike Johnson says absolutely not. But you have folks like Senator John Cornyn, who is on the Senate Judiciary Committee, who says absolutely they must have access to it.
Now.
Normally, when you're vetting somebody to be attorney general, the FBI actually does the investigation.
Donald Trump doesn't want that. What is it, Scott, They clearly don't want folks to know.
Of course, Matt Gates has been accused of actually secutory rate of having sex with underage girls.
That's not having sex. That's called textory. That's called rate.
They have payments, They have records showing that he made ten thousand dollars VENMO payments. Of course, the guy who he was accused of doing stuff with he played guilty, and so.
It's all kind of And then then you have Republican members.
Of Congress who said that Matt Gates has actually has history of being going on the floor and showing folks photos and videos of the sexual conquest. This is from Republican members of the House. But they don't want the public to know. But they want this man to be the nation's highest law enforcement official.
Come on, he said, you know, rape and sexual abuse and sexual assault has never been a disqualifier for the Republicans.
Just come on, if you got the power and you think you got the vote, come on, come on, come on. You know this Donald Trump supported the Republican Senate candidate. One was about ten years ago when Trump between twenty sixty and twenty.
Roy Moore down in tech I'm sorry, down in Alabama, and he was a certified a serial data and.
Data of young.
Women who were under age and having sex were certified. And Donald Trump himself has been found liable for sexual abuse. And so Matt Gaates, you know, if they traffic in this sexual abuse and it is not a disqualifier.
And yet the majority of white women vote for Trump, vote for these candidates.
It is the height of hypocrisy because you know, if they were black and Democrat, there would be outrage about the sexual abuse, whether it's civil or criminal or what have you. So he's a disruptor and Roland as I said, I don't mind disruptors quite frankly, because disruptors can get stuff done. But you have to be qualified, right because if you don't know what you don't know, then people have agendas and they come.
And advise you. You can't sort through what's.
Real and what isn't real in the political dynamics, and that means they can hold you and capture you.
And so that's the real issue.
Experience, but character and personality should matter, and it doesn't with Donald Trump and he won. So their consequences for these races. I don't think Gates gets They're gonna leak that report probably, and the media, by the way, is lasting. The lawyers for these two women who will write age. They have swore statements that they saw Gates at a pool having sex with a seventeen year old, and they have sworn statements on it, so they can they cannot put that report out. Their reports coming out, though you watch its coming out, and it's gonna get ugly and make it very hard.
Republicans that defair Gavin.
Here's the crazy thing. Their attitude is like, Okay, we don't care. They're making excuses.
Mike Johnson, mister purity, okay, mister super duper Christian. And uh, I mean these people bowed they these people bowed down at the feet of Donald Trump. Again, this is a cult, Okay, this is this is they are an absolute cult because whatever this man wants, sure, here you go go, morals, ethics, values, principles, integrity, We don't care, whatever you want.
And uh, and you got.
Republicans who in the Senate, you got Tommy tumbotbial the dumbest United States Center out of Alabama, like or I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go after any Republican who opposes Uh, Matt Gates, may go sit your dumb ass down, Devin, go ahead.
Yeah, No, this is a this is a certify it's a certified cult. And here's the thing with Donald Trump, right, the only qualifications about which she cares are you going to be loyal to me? That is the full stopped the single only qualification that he cares about. And the reporting that I read in terms of how Matt Gates ended up being nominated for this position, he wasn't even being vetted by his transition team. Donald Trump was on Trump Force one the morning that he announced this pick and had a phone call with Matt Gates, and Matt Gates told him, you know, all these other people you're considering what you know, they're probably talking about their fancy legal doctrines and theories. But I'm going to come in and cut heads for you at DJO.
That's all. It's for Donald Trump to be like, that's my guy.
And he did not look anyone who's heard the name Matt Gates over the past few years, the only thing they associate with Matt Gates is pedophied. At least that's the case for me, and I know that's the case for all the republicanc he serves within the House and who serve across from him in the Senate. Absolutely, the American people deserve to know the truth about Matt Gates, and that's why this Ethics Committee's got to release their report. But whether or not they do, the Constitution says that the Senate must give the president their advice and consent for cabinet nominees. It doesn't say that somehow a president who wins the popular vote is entitled to have anyone they want in the cabinet.
And that's what concerns me. The rhetoric right now.
Seems to be that, oh, Donald Trump's victory gave him some mandate, which by the way, is not true because he's now dropped below fifty percent of the vote. But they're saying that because he won the popular vote that senators need to get in line.
That is not true.
No president is entitled to strong arm their way to a confirmed cabinet. And my fear above all is that whether it's Matt Gates or someone else. Whoever's going to get confirmed here is going to be the one who's going to carry out what Donald Trump has said he's going to do, which is to weaponize the Department of Justice and go after his political opponents, whoever he thinks they are, the people he's called the enemy from within it. Look, the last thing I'll say is the job of the Attorney general. And I'm a law student right now, so I've been learning all about this over the past few years.
It is one that.
Requires you to have a profound dedication to the rule of law and to the Constitution. Why because the Attorney General has a great deal of power over things like security, firearms, immigration, prisons, drug enforcement, and the decision of whether to bring investigations against high level officials. And there's a reason why the DJ has been independent from the president over the history of our country. It's a very serious job and our leader, whoever leads a Department of Justice needs to treat it as such. And I don't have a vote, but I hope that those who do will vote on their conscience on whoever the nominee is, after reviewing their record.
After reviewing they don't have a conscience.
Daniel Somebody's somebody posted this, Dan, somebody posted this tweet. I pretty least says we spent four years hearing about every detail of Hunter Biden's sex, like, but we can't even see a report about a Republican who has been with underage girls.
Really.
Yeah, you know, here's the thing, man, You know what bothers me is is I'm an actual presidential appoints. I did not go through a confirmation process, but I was appointed by President Biden to head the Environmental Protection Agency as a regional administrator. My background check had to go through the FBI, the CIA. I had financial mind, I had people interviewed. I had to go through a top secret clearance process where if I had an outstanding debt it had to be paid. I had to sign a Biden ethics pledge before I could even get sworn in. I had to sign a pledge that I will follow an ethical mandate outside of the President of the United States and also fully aligned with the policies that were in place.
Of the upset administration.
So my concern is that you know, we already know that there was a time where I would say that were a sense of hopeless optimism.
But we're this, this confirmation process is not it's going.
To do the best gift we could have gotten, because what this is going to confirm to us is what we already know these individuals. You know, I think we're past a level of conscience, passed the level of you know, qualification. You know, we have raised a generation that has normalized foolishness, normalized a lack of integrity, normalized disrespectful.
Behavior, normally abuse me.
So I think that what this is going to do is is it is the last layer of showing what can happen. And the biggest thing and and my dear brother just said it. Look, the Attorney General is not just you know, in a position to work with the Justice Department or prosecute cases or oversee the rule of law the prisons. And this gentleman has already praised practices in El Salvador where there is no reform, there is no correction, there is no restoration and reacclimation to society. So we need to be very clear that these positions that are being appointed go far beyond the titles. They go directly into mass incarceration. How our communities are restored and how black men will have a chance to transition and react to themselves to society, and we need to pay attention.
Let's talk about the Department of Justice. They're investigating.
The DJ is investigating the fatal shooting of Sonya and Massey in Illinois that took place, of course, in July. Sean Grayson, the deputy who shot and killed her, has been fired and it's also been charged with murder.
He has pled not guilty.
The DJ is demanding all records related to the shooting as it investigates how local authorities treat black residents in people with behavioral disabilities. Of course, the thirty six year old Massy was killed in July when deputies responded to a call about a possible prowler at her home when she was shot three times by Grayson. Also, folks just talk about this here. In Louisiana, the battle to require all public school classrooms to display the Ten Commandment continues. The Fifth US Circuit corporatep Peals extremely conservative corpor Appeals rejected a state request to timporarily stay in earlier order by US District Judge John the de Gravallis in Baton Rouge. While litigation continues now arguments will take place before the Fifth Circuit Panel on January twenty third. A three judge panel of the Fifth Circuit issued in order last Friday allowing the law requiring the displays to take effect in school districts without parents challenging the measure. Of course, in June, Governor Jeff Landry Maga Governor sign House built seventy one into law requiring public school class rules to display quote certain historical documents, among them the Ten Commandments, the Mayflower Compact, Decoration of Independence, and the Northwest Ordinance Notice heat included the Massipation Proclamation.
In that.
A bipartisan bill.
To make Oklahoma's Black Wall Street a national monument has moved out of a Senate committee with unanimous approval, setting up the possibility for a full Senate vote before the end of the year. The US Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee approved the measure to establish the historic Greenwood District Black Wall Street now monument as a unit of the National Park System. The build now heads to the full Senate for a floor vote. The addition, of course, was home to one of the most prosperous black communities in the US. Of course, just one generation after slavery, but it was a racist white mob that burned it down, killing three hundred black folks on May thirty first, in June first of nineteen twenty one. And there's two survivors of that massk one hundred and ten year old mother Viola Ford Fletcher and one hundred and ten year old mother Lessie Benningfield Randall Real quick here, Gevin. Okay, again, I appreciate the establishment of a national monument, but here's the reality. Those survivors have not been compensated for that, as well as their descendants. And this was state sanctioned, and the problem is the city of Tulsen, state of Oklahoma.
They have refused to make amends.
This is a perfect example of sure making a monument, but this state, in this country should be doing more.
Or this is over one hundred years after the massacre took place, and we're supposed to celebrate the advancement of a bill, not even the passage of the bill. It hasn't passed, it hasn't been signed, but the advancement of ability to the Senate establishing a monument is frankly unacceptable.
What blows my mind as a law student is that at no point.
Of the past one hundred and three years, has any person or institution actually been held criminally or simply liable for the injuries that the deaths the murders had stemmed from this act of terrorism. And in fact, the only business owner that's ever received some compensation was white. I will say, though I think like this, I guess the reason why this is a big step on paper is because we know that the state of Oklahoma has spot like hell since this active domestic terrorism to make people forget that it ever happened. And it was until four years ago after we saw another example of violence against the black.
Body by the state, which is the murder of George Floyd, that students.
In Oklahoma were actually mandated to learn about it in schools. But I guess who needs that education when you have a Trump Bible, apparently in Oklahoma these days. So look, there's a lot to say about the importance of the courts, the importance of state and local elections, the importance of knowing our history, and why those in power try so hard to prevent us from doing that. I hope the monument gets built, But look, the state did commission a task force to investigate this in ninety six, and they recommended in one that the victims receive reparations. That's yet to happen. And all I can say is, we're grateful to have We're lucky to have Lessie Benningfield and Viola Fletcher who are still alive and kicking one hundred and ten, fighting the good fight, a fight they should not have to be fighting alongside other descendants of this brutal act of terrorism to get justice.
And I hope that we get more than this monument.
I hope we get reparations for the survivors and the descendants of the victims.
Daniel, Yeah, I cool the same man. I live in Forside County, Georgia. Race massacre and expulsion of black folks in nineteen twelve, nineteen eighty seven, Josea Williams, Coreta, Scott King, Dick Gregory came up here with thirty thousand folks, largest protests and rally against the KKK and the history.
Oprah's first show was here.
So I get it.
But a monument itself, or at least advancing the idea of a monument, doesn't take it away. But I do agree that it is at least symbolic to know that it's being acknowledged.
But here's the thing. There needs to be more than an acknowledgment.
And what I don't want is a decade from now for young men and women that vaguely remember Tulsa to say that this monument was erected.
As a form of reparation. That is not a form of reparations. It is not reconciliation. Does those women.
I hope those women lived to one hundred and twenty, But the reality is they have had to endure, They've had to fight, They've had to live under the shadow of one of the darkest moments in our history when terror was enacted on a black community, and we have not resolved that. The statue won't do it. It will allow us to be able to remember and acknowledge. But there's so much more work to be done, and I hope that we all understand that and support initiatives that go beyond statues and monuments.
Scott Man, y'all talking about Tulsa. Y'all talking about Tulsa.
When's America going to apologize to the American negro for slavery and for violence against them?
And the civil rights movement and the terror from the time we were free as slaves up until now.
They've apologized the Japanese with the internment camps, they've apologized to other groups that were oppressed, but America is just not ready to apologize or give us reparations, not just for Tulsa but elsewhere. You know, I talk about the melanin in my skin and what it is about the melanin in my skin that makes white America.
Hate me so and hate our communities, but also not want to deal with the race issue or question or racial oppression over four hundred years. If you can use the courts can give us even money for that, But the apology is the first step.
And then second, there's not enough money.
Tell me, if you agree with this Rowland, there's not enough money to properly compensate black people what they've been through in the last four hundred years of racial oppression of slavery.
What would that number be? This is amazing, This is amazing, It really is. So we'll see you.
Can't come up with it. But you can't. You can't come up with it.
But in the case here, these are actual survivors and they should have been compensated long long time ago and the people.
Let me do this here.
Hold on, you can give that money, not just those two survivors, but to the estates of those who have passed as a result.
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