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It's Monday, December thirtieth. Excuse me, twenty twenty four. I'm Kansus Kelly sitting in for Roland Martin. Now here's what's coming up on Roland Martin Unfiltered Live on the Blackstar Network.

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All right, So we know that it is the countdown to the new year. Twenty twenty five is coming but for so many we are thinking about the countdown also to January twentieth, where we have President elect Donald Trump, who's going to make it into office. Now, this is not without a little bit of victory on the part of black women in America. We know that Delaware's Lisa Blunt Rochester and Maryland's Angela also Brooks. They're two black women who for the first time serve together in the history of the United States of America. We're going to open up by speaking with my panel about this topic. I am joined now by doctor Julian Malveaux, economist and author.

She is out of Washington, d C.

Also with us DeLanda Jones, Texas state representative and lawyer out of Houston, Texas. And Joy Cheney, founder of Joy Strategies, out of Washington, d C. Good to see all of you here too. I've got all the j's tonight. I'm out of this with my sea kid. All right, Julia and Julanda and Joy, let's go. Let me first start by opening up this victory. I mean, it is a small victory when we think about the history of black women in America, doctor melveaw, but certainly two black women serving in the Senate at the same time is Delaware.

I'm very proud of.

Absolutely, this is an amazing moment of First of all, you know Angela also Brooks. I supported her heavily. I think I'm maxed out on dollars. She is an amazing grace. She's a brilliant young woman who I foresee great things from. Also, she's a fierce young woman. And she comes from the working class. And this is important when we look at the Senate, look at the average wealth of the Senate, which is about the average wealth about three million dollars for the average American. It's a fraction of that. So she's coming from a place where she gets us, not us black people, but US working people, US pold people. And so I think that that's really great. And then Lisa Blood Rochester, to have the two of them together as a partnership is really great. What can I say, really great tribute to black women and our work. That's our work been AEDI. They were behind both of these women. Thousands were raised thanks to Star Jones because they we want to support those women. And so here we are now we have this is a victory. So we cannot do anything as we have to celebrate this. We just have to celebrate this, and whatever else is going on, we have to celebrate this.

So Gelanda, let me turn to you. I mean, two women certainly.

Making history, but certainly not a lot when we look at the numbers, What are expectations? What do you think they can do in terms of their new positions of power and how they can make that work for change and really kind of speak to all of the things that they promise during their campaign.

That we have to manage expectations.

They are in a Republican Senate, and I think the most value that they can do for each other is to be there to support each other. As an elected official myself in Texas, and I don't need to tell you about Texas sometimes because they're fighting every day uphill with systems designed to oppress us, and sometimes we need reinforcements when we want to when we're having a bad day.

Which I respectfully submit to you.

With Trump and the Republicans control and everything, they're going to have a lot of bad days and they will know between each other what they are going through, and so their biggest uh, I guess the most positive thing about them is that they can work and support each other and and actually learn.

How the Senate works. You know where the powers are.

See uh, if there are any ways for them to fit in with you know, the MAGA people going after the moderate Republicans, there may be some ability, but you also know, the seniority matters in the in the Senate.

So for us to think that two.

Freshmen black women in the Senate are going to go and make a whole bunch of change, I just don't think that that's realistic.

But they can try to stop things. I don't know what their strong points.

Are, you know, like I know that in Texas, for example, we have points of order where we can actually stop bad legislation. I think that they need to take the time to learn those things that they need to learn in order to figure out how it works, and then be there to support each other when they have uphill pedals all day.

Joy you know, Jelanda does bring up a good point, and that they will have to for each other.

This is a repulsion in Congress.

They will have to find uh the means to make a way. But as a strategist, what could they do to make their way a little bit more paved?

Well?

I mean one of the things that I think Rochester has going for her is that she's served in the body before.

Right, She's been not in the Senate, but in the House. Right. She has a sense of the rules.

Right.

She has a staff that is a federal congressional staff that comes along with her.

We know Brooks my incoming news senator, because I'm from the DC area I live. They try to chase you know, we're very excited about They're both experienced, and I.

Think that one of the things we'll have to understand that in the Senate.

Is based on hierarchy, and so they're they're going to be presiding over the Senate many days. We'll actually no, not them, because we don't control the Senate anymore. But they will have rules play that are not glamorous ones. But that's how it works, Right. You want to pay your dues, you want to get in there. You want to do the work of being a young news senator. You want to get to spend time with the other senators. Go to the prayer meetings, go to the prayer breakfasts, get to know them, get to know the Republican senators.

Despite what we see on.

TV, it is a play and by the way I'm experiencing this, I'm a former Senate, she's a staff. It is a place where you have to get to know people. Give a shout out to my former boss, Senator Kirsten gillibrand get to know her. She's really great about navigating the Senate. And then and then you will build up those relationships.

They'll teach you.

You know from your other senators.

You know about fundraising and what the rhythm is like, and you know what committees build on other committees to make sure you're in a positions that you want to be in, not just for today with the long call, and so you know, those are things that I would recommend that they do.

Get in line and just do.

The hard work of laying the groundwork of building a strong foundation in the Senate and making sure that you can come back in your second term. That's what the first time is all about. Making sure that you are sending money whenever you can, even though we don't we don't know where we're gonna land on earmarks as often as you can back.

Getting constituent services.

Senate offices are pretty much social worker services offices.

Getting your constituent services up.

And running immediately so then when people call you, they can reach you.

They have at they're gonna.

Be allowed to If I could just jump in here, I think Joy is giving some really great advice one hand. On the other hand, especially about the constituent services, which are really important, you do those now. Other piece of it is that I don't think that these sisters need to go in there being mister bo jangles.

Joy.

I know that's your experience, and please, you know, let me finish, because what I want to say is they came into disrupt I would encourage them to disrupt. Angel also is a brilliant disruptor. Le Rochester a little bit less, so let's disruptor and so they don't need Yeah, they should do the meetings and blah blah blah. You're giving them interesting advice. Obviously I disagree with much of it. I do agree with the whole dose of getting no people. But I think that they should not bow jangles it. They should come in fierce and strong, because that's how they were elected.

On No, go ahead, Joe, I'll let you jump in before we move on, Jangles.

But I don't I don't think going in to learn how the body works is Bojanguin.

Yeah, I didn't take it like that.

No, there are one hundred senators and you know, whatever senator sees in.

The mirror every morning, a president they also they can you don't do it.

And so just know that, like, there are a hundred of those personalities and you are at the bottom.

Of you know that wrong.

Even even Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama when they went in, people would ask Barack Obama, you know, what's it like working in the Senate. He's I got sharpened the pencils. I'm at the bottom of the list. That doesn't mean you cannot rise, and it doesn't mean you can't be a disruptor. But people do want to get to know you, and if you want to have higher aspirations, you will need those senators to support you.

So you do want to get to know them.

You do want to get the rules the Senate, especially when you have a you know, a Senate where it's going to be held by a Republican majority. Knowing the rules of the Senate is really important.

It is right, and I think the rules, but guess what they also should have They to break them, but I mean they should learn then they should also break them. These sisters came in as disruptors, and I want them not to be influenced by you, but by me to say keep disrupted.

And I agree, but but you've got to come in and you gotta have way play the game. You can be disruptive and people not know you being disruptive. And a perfect example of how somebody came in disrupting and now want to ascend to leadership and couldn't is uh, what's the congresswoman? Uh to New York AOC. She came in disrupting. She came in endorsing people against our colleagues. So guess what them colleagues ain't about to support her for nothing. So you've got to be super nuanced. And I think the best thing in incoming person into any elected body can can be is to go in and learn the rules, figure out which rules you're gonna master, figure out where the power resides. Go talk to peopleeople carry their briefcases, sharpen their pencils. You might even play like you don't know what you're doing, and you might play dumb, and you might flatter them to get them to feel secret to you that you will use very effectively. Once you've been there a little minute to be an effective disruptor.

All Right, I'm going to jump in here because listen, two sides of the coin there. I want to hear from the comments section what people think about the two sides of the coin before we go over to Shamara figures. Let's go down to Alabama. Listen, not since the eighteen what eighteen thirty two has someone been in the House of Representatives in this position, a person of color, certainly a big deal. But there had to be a redesigning of the district in order for this to happen, you know, doctor Malveaux, this is this is why we recognize what is happening when it comes to redlining and fighting courts to make the change. Here we have District number two. A big deal obviously, because this is someone who finally was able to cross the bridge and win.

That's what doctor Malvaux.

I'm looking at Alabama and that district too, and the ways that had been Jared mandered, and what people have done persistently to stop the Jared mandering. And I think that this is a victory, but it's also a challenge. And the challenge is that it's a it's a it's a one off. We have legislatures changing, we have judges changing. This is a good thing, but it's not a permanent thing. And then I think we're all turned out. Jamari uh Figures is a great standidate guy, But is this it's just a sustainable victory? That's my question. Is this a sustainable victory?

Joy, I'm gonna pass the baton to you. Is this a sustainable victory? Is this just a one off? Obviously something we can all be proud of making headlining news and we'll be watching to see what he does next. Having always worked in the Obama administration, But what are your thoughts?

So, first of all, my full disclosure of SHAMAI his friend, at least his wife is a very good friend.

I texted with her to say that we would be talking about him tonight.

I think that you know, this is this is a pattern for when you know, courts work to protect black voters and we can end up here that we can actually win. And then the party supported him, and he was someone from the state who had had federal experience, went back home, was able to really advance and there was a lot of support around him.

The party supported him.

This is sort of I think a pattern not just for him, but I think that we can see repeated elsewhere, especially when we pay attention to redistricting.

We are armed.

So I hope that we are gearing up for that when that time comes around, coming forward, which means you need to be preparing now so that we can be ready to be able to fight these battles and it's gonna be like this district by district.

Let me just also say that to Mari is a young guy. He is a family man.

He is someone who represents you know, when people see him, they see themselves in him. They feel like, you know, the Democratic Party isn't all oxygenarians, which we love them too, but we have to have intergenerational leadership.

So I'm just so excited about not.

Just him winning in district too and what we were able to do with the redistrict in there, but his runway, young guy running wings that we can have a long runway perhaps who knows going to President Shamari Figers.

Yeah, Jolanda, certainly she's making a good point. Listen, the younger the better in terms of how many decades of our life will he'd be potentially in office. Just a good precedent. I think in terms of how the court system works that brought us here to now. A small victory in some ways, a big victory in many other ways, but certainly more than a big star Jolanda.

So, yeah, So I think it's I think it's a big victory. I think there's not going to there's not going to be redistricting until was it twenty thirty? Right, So he'll hold onto that seat for at least six years. I think what's beautiful about Congressman elect Figures is that he comes from people who.

Can help him. His mom is a great senator. His dad was a senator.

Yes, you guys know this, but his father represented the woman I can't remember her name who bankrupted the KKK.

So, and he's a lawyer.

So as a lawyer myself, there are some skills that we have that help us figure out how to navigate systems and are able to find the right answers.

He's smart. He showed that he could win in a big field. There was a big field that he had to win, and he won in a runoff against the very I guess respected state representative in Alabama, And so.

I'm excited for him. I'm excited to see a black man be in Congress. I think representation matters. And again, some people get elected and they are the first person in their family and they're not from a political environment, and so they have they're there by themselves. And I think the beautiful thing about him is he has the right degrees, he has the right life experiences, He's got a family to keep him grounded. He's got six years before he has to worry about redistricting, and he's got some people who can help him navigate the system. So I am excited, and I believe that in DC, under these very difficult circumstances, that Democrats are going to stick together. I hope, but Black Democrats are going to stick together because they know that the target is on us.

So way to go, Congress. When elected, I can't wait to call you, Congress.

All right, six years certainly a lot of times make some headway.

When we come back, we are going to be.

Talking about someone who was not strange at all to going viral, being in the headlines, a congresswoman from Texas. You were watching the roll and Martin Network. I'm Kandae Kelly, and we'll be right back after these messages with more for what to Expect down the Line in twenty twenty five, for hard Times that were made in twenty twenty four, how Long.

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As you look at twenty twenty four, we have to look at Texas congress Woman Jasmine Crockett.

She's no stranger to going viral.

But this year it was this moment that sparked many, many, many viral moments.

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Listen, all right, Gelanda, what's going through your mind when you see this again? And as you move your shoulders a little bit to the beat.

So I served with Congressman Crockett for a small sex segment when she was in the State House. And the thing I love about Congresswoman Crockett is this she literally uses her street skills because up in the hood is really important because you got to be able to come back. She uses her legal skills, i e. She challenged them on a point of clarification using their parliamentary procedure after the House, let Marjorie Taylor Green be disrespectful and talk about her eyelashes. And sometimes you need to say stuff to get people's attention. And what's important about that is it challenged the notion. Because four people consistently say that politicians are not in touch with their constituencies, they talk over their heads.

And Jazz made it real simple what was going on. She made it real.

Simple, and she basically used black nom because we've all heard of bad built people.

We've heard of, you know, butcher built people. We've heard of bleached blonde DITSI which those six words brought so many different thoughts into my mind right.

But what it did most importantly is it pushed back on bullies who were who are not accustomed to being pushed back on because the Republicans seem they can out yell you, out, shout to you, and because they have the numbers, then they can just bring you down. And I thought the Congressman Crocket was brilliant. I also believe that black people felt empowered because people culturally appropriate us, they never listened to us.

And guess what she won that. She did want that, and she.

Didn't just win that for that moment in Congress where she made them think about y'all want to talk about decoram or this ain't de koram. But she made black people feel great, just like that wood been on that ferry the year before, you.

Know, Joy, I think one of the things that Julana up is one hundred percent correct, and that is.

That she has the ability to really speak to people in their own language, make them feel like they are part of this world that so many people feel like they are shut out from. You know, folks still.

Won't go to vote.

But she's someone who opens the door and says, come on in, I'm talking your language.

That's right.

She is brilliant.

She did challenge them on the rules, right, so she understood for all watching, you got to know the rules in order to challenge them, and then you can challenge them in your own language, right in your own you know, with your own flare, which.

Is what she did, which is what we love.

And people want to believe that their members of Congress are fighting for this right.

So you definitely not one who engages in that kind of DETERRM.

I don't.

Did I love it?

No, If my kids had been watching that day, I would have been humiliated that they were watching, you know, this whole display that said I mean to be wrong about that. Many people are looking at and feeling like, you know what, when people challenge me like Marjorie Taylor Green did, when they talk to me like she did, sometimes you got to growd back, take it to them, let them know that that's not acceptable and it won't be tolerated, and they need to feel that people are willing to kind of get get in the muck a little bit on their behalf. And that's what Jugamind Crockett does, and she does so brilliantly. So even though yes, I already discussed that I'm a senate person and we don't like that, but it is sort of how you have to mix it up sometimes in the house. And frankly, it reminds people that no one denies that if you are a constituent of hers and she is fighting for you.

Yeah, you know, doctor Malvau. A lot of doors were open for her to respond to. They assessed her looks, they assessed how she talked. They basically said she was a wild woman.

Calmed down, calmed down.

These are all things that take in one in and of itself, you just can't do to any woman, especially not a black woman on the floor, you know, when.

You are in Congress.

Not a good idea, and she showed them absolutely.

First of all, it was a brilliant alliteration. The BBBBBBB which built whatever it was a brilliant alliteration and showed her chops as an orator and as a sister in the struggle Number two, Marjorie Taylor Green, what can we do with her? Folks? Can we figure something out? Can we like have a paper bag party on the mill behind? Y'all know what I mean. But because she's just out of order, out of line, she's talking about people's eyelashes because she can't read. Because it if you could read, you would understand these people are reading the same documents you are. So just Marjorie Taylor Green, good bye, goodbye, goodbye, goodbye, goodbye. But most importantly, what Jasmine Crockett has done, as I think both of my colleagues have said, she has empowered black folks to push back. And there has to be a pushback because too much up these days, we're hearing about a little boy in Cape cod who tries to drown a black child. We have Roland regularly features these Karens and crazy people who refuse to allow people full to have access to their own space. And so then we have this woman who's a congresswoman who disrespects other congress people. But we have one who pushes back, and that's a blessing and that's a lesson, and that is empowerment for our young women and men. We don't have to take this spit, and we won't and we simply won't. Hey tomorrows retailer Green, May she live in Congress for a very long time.

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Well, let me say this real quick.

It was a perfect example of Marjorie Taylor Green and the people.

That couldn't control the circus in Congress.

They left around with the wrong person and they found out.

All right, going forward, let us talk about now Trump and his immunity.

That was a big one during twenty twenty four.

Ultimately, I think a lot of people would argue joy that Trump was a winner in all of this. I mean, not only was he on the cover of Time magazine, but when we look at what the Supreme Court said and their decision about Trump and whether or not he was immune official lax versus unofficial lax, there was a lot of leverage that he was given. What are your thoughts about Trump his immunity and where we see that going in twenty twenty four because these charges perhaps could come back once he's out of office.

The fact that he's in office that draws the distinction.

Joy.

Yeah, well, let's be clear.

Time magazine, I believe, if I'm not mistaken, Hitler was on the cover of Time magazine once. The Person of the Year can be a negative thing or a positive thing. So would I wouldn't take that, you know, take that from it what it is. Yeah, I mean he did. He lost some, but he won some. That is the nature of courts, right. Ultimately he won the ultimate prize, which was he was able to be re elected.

And that's really all this was about for him.

For us, we were engaging in the rule of law and doing you know what was this, you know necessary? A person was violating the law with impunity, given many opportunities to find some kind of plea deals, some kind of out chose not to take any of those. He wanted these things to go to trial so that he could have verdicts, so that he could use them as fund raising mechanisms, so that he could use them to rally his base. And it worked. Some of these cases will come back. He will probably commit more crimes that will have to be investigated. I think the Supreme Court has made it very difficult to consider doing that. They've made being president really above the law, and so I think we're gonna see those those laws though tested the bounds up.

We're gonna have to have lawyers.

Who are willing to take the case bring it forward so we can provide parameters around what it means for the president to have almost complete.

Community for all decisions made.

We're gonna have to test like sort of what that means within the you know, within the context of his job.

I think that's what we're gonna have.

We're gonna go used to whether we're gonna see any of these things that are based on the first administration come back later probably unlikely. Probably unlikely. I'm sure some of them will be time limited out others of the just the moment.

Has passed, you know, he is.

I just think that that, you know, you have to pick and choose what are you're going to be your priorities.

But I think more important is figuring.

Out where are the bounds of this Supreme Court decision.

And frankly holding him financially liable.

I think there will be financial liability, but I don't think we're going to see him in jail.

Guys, And we got to let that go. Yeah, you know, doctor Malvaux.

Interestingly enough, you know the door is open for charges to be potentially brought back. But like Joyce said, statute of limitations and will anybody be interested in bringing those charges? But at this point, right now, we know that Jack Smith has dropped those four charges, and so Trump.

He's smiling, and he's pictures for a reason. He's smiling for a reason. He's off the hook for a number of things. And I think that if we go back, it's not likely that four years from now. First of all, Denmnd, I'm not going there. But four years from now, really is there gonna be an interest or is he going to be alive to basically deal with what goes on? So we look at that, I think basically he's off the hook. But that doesn't mean he's off the hook. Hook hook, because what we have is a person who has been convicted of thirty four felonies. We have a person who is liable for at least five million dollars and perhaps more for a sexual sexual assault. Yes you have sexual assault of e. G. Carroll. We have a person who is on the record talk at all kinds of major spit and so while he may be off the hook in the shortest run and the longer run, we have as a flawed president who basically this is his legacy. His legacy is that he's a liar, a crook, a loser, and whatever else we have to say that there it is. So you know, I think Joy is right. We're not going to see in four years people are going to go after if he's even with us in four years. But I do think that there's always gonna be an asterisk behind his name when you talk about what he said president. And that's that's about the line he's he's never gonna be free of what he did, although he'd like to be.

That's right.

In fact, today we heard from the courts that that five million defamation find that he had is not going away.

That just happened today. So you do when when some you lose some Jalanda, I just think that.

So again, I'm gonna put my lawyer your head on.

Okay.

I think that Trump's immunity has long term negative effects for this country generally for people period.

Trump is now.

Set loose, let loose by a Supreme Court who said, screw story. Decisives for those of you who aren't lawyer's story decisives for the most part.

In lay people's terms.

Is the rule is what the rule is, sort of like we had a right to abortion, sort of like black people had civil rights and the Supreme Court said screw all that, and whatever Trump does is okay. They absolutely vote on very important issues along party lines. And I fear that Trump is going to put more people on the Supreme Court, which is why he appeals everything, because he knows if they can find a federal question in there, because there's got to be a federal question before to go to the Supreme Court, that he's going to get off. And it terrifies me. And yes, people will fight, they will, but Trump has really stacked the courts for the rest of his life and probably for his estate when he dies, to protect it for his children, and he is going to do everything he can do in all of his cronies to put America in a place in a space to go back. I'm telling you this. It terrifies me as a lawyer. And if he dies in office, he's setting the stage for JD. Vance, who's worse than him, to take office. I worry again as a lawyer, if we'll even have the right to elections, to free elections. So he trusts me. Trump with the one thing I can say about that man, and he is an evil man. The one thing I can say about him is he didn't playing chess when everybody else has been playing checkers. He has been putting young people in office. The Republicans really have been doing that, and they are trying to figure out what laws they can undermine. They take these little laws, suits and little obscure places nobody's paying attention to get them up to the Supreme Court.

And he is going to set us back. And I don't know how long it will.

Be before the Supreme Court granted him immunity. Has put him in a position to be the most dangerous man in the universe, and he absolutely is.

And I pray that we come out okay after this.

Jenanda, I'm going to stick with you because you mentioned the court system, you mentioned how he stacked them, and when we look at twenty twenty four, we cannot not talk about Justice Clarence Thomas and the ethics violation. The fact that it was only twenty twenty three where there were first a set of guidelines that were applicable to the United States Supreme Court of America. Here we are, investigations have just finished up, and we're looking at somebody like Clarence Thomas. So they're saying tech took many, many, many, many trips. What do you say about the Supreme Court and these ethics violations that they have been running from for quite a while. In fact, the guidelines that they have to follow in terms of what they've what they've gotten, they're voluntary.

Still, all I can say is this Class Thomas is the epitome of Steven On Jango unchained and as a consequence, absolutely hates being black.

He married an ugly way woman. Hate to say it, but it's true.

He has benefited and those other types of black people that Republicans and Conservatives like to put in places of power, and they're going to continue to make excuses for him taking luxury trips, getting private tuish and paid for his family members. Because you know what, black people would have never got sold into slavery if it weren't for people who look just like us, validating the slave catchers. And Class Thomas is that person, and I.

Want him.

I wish that he would be impeached it's not going to happen again.

Right is right and wrong is wrong is how I was raised.

But what I found out, especially since I've been elected and I've been in the back doors, and I've been in the back rooms when people are doing things, there are special rules for people that are supported by the people in power. And so yeah, we're going to continue to find out things that Clarence Thomas has done, which started out with him doing what he did to a black woman, and they overlooked that, and they overlooked that, and they're going.

To continue to do this.

So what we have to do as black people is we have to be prepared to fight. And I'll use a basketball analogy. I was in All American basketball. We got to fight the other table. We got to fight the rest too, and we just have to keep fighting. And we need to use the skills that we learn as enslaved people.

To come out of this on the other side.

I don't know how long it's going to last, but I promise you this that Supreme Court could literally set our civil rights back, or at least well, they.

Said they were going to do They said they were going to do it. They said they were going to do it when they took dogs back. They also talked about same gender marriage, They talked about a number of other things. That was Thomas. Clarence Thomas is a demi human being, but he said he talked about what they would take back, and so they talked about it, and now they're going to do it. And the issue is, as I think, as you said, sister Joe Londa, you know, some people play chess and others play checkers, and Democrats have been caught playing checkers far too many times. But neither here nor they're around the chess and the checkers. The issue is how do we go through the next two years because I'm claiming that Democrats will take the house back claiming that, but it's going to be some steady work, and I don't see anybody lining up to do the work.

Joy, let me just say, we're not even playing checkers.

We're playing tech.

Though.

You know, I don't not even gonna worry about talking about Clarence Thomas. He is all the things that my co panelists have already said, and then some he's an embarrassment, whatever. But the truth is he's doing what he can do because the Senate rules excuse me. The ethics rules for you know, for judges that apply at the lower levels of the federal circle do not apply to the Supreme Court. They are sort of on a you know, honor code kind of you know, we'll just do what's right kind of.

Practice, and that obviously has.

Never worked, not just for Clarence Thomas, but by so many, including some who have gone on. So Clarence Thomas is just following following in the true audition, but he's a little more stupid.

He's doing it more brazenly than the others.

But he's learned from the best he knows he can, right, So that's what he's done.

The real argument, the real shame.

Is that the Senate Judiciary Committee has not been able to hold the Supreme Court accountable, to improve, to change those rules, to even hold full public hearings in the way that they should have been held. That the Biden administration has not held them accountable. If the chief judgment won't come to you, then you have to take it to them. We simply have not done it. We have confirmed a lot of judges, and so I wanted kudos to the Judiciary Committee, kudos to you know, President Biden for confirming so many judges, but we have not held the Supreme Court accountable, and we have allowed that institution to diminish itself in terms of public trust and accountability. That is his, That is the Democrats fault, because we were in power, we are still in power for another day or so.

Over the United.

States Senate, and we did not take the opportunity to Jasmine Crocketted style right a fight for them. You know, we were too reliant on like I said, it keeps coming up that senatorial decorum where we know we wait for them, and then you know it's my friend Ellie missus Stahl said, have we tried beseeching them? You literally have been too polite. The complete power grab by people who are completely unethical and will be viewed over time as unethical.

And Donald Trump is counting on that. He's not counting.

He's not only counting on their ability to be bought and paid for, but he's counting on us being too almost arrogant in our own superiority to just actually fight.

For the American people and our constitution.

All right, well, listen, this was filling the headlines in twenty twenty four.

We're going to see a lot of it.

Still in twenty twenty five, it still ongoing whether or not any of them, any of the justices, will be held accountable. We will have our eye on that in the upcoming year.

All Right, stay with us.

We're going to have more of the headlines that you were talking about in twenty twenty four as we count down to the new year.

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So let's talk about shooting. Certainly, we are not going to cover all of them, unfortunately, just too many. But when we look at them, there some that we do want to highlight. When we hear the name Sonya Massy, we hear the name to Kia Young, Daniel Lewis. Daniel Lewis outside in the back, had it done on the back of his porch. He was shot by the police. Sonya Massi inside of her home, shot by the police. She thought that she was being burgerized.

Takia Young.

This is the twenty one year old who was fatally shot inside of her car by an officer. She was parked at Coolger's. When we look at a lot of these cases, these are these are things that you know they're they're just repetitive. Doctor Malveaux, I am not sure what is the answer here, but what are your thoughts about these shootings that just continue to happen. Police officers that plead not guilty and have gotten all on some charges. Of course, some of them held accountable in terms of how many years they're going to be serving. But just just a mixture of thoughts because there's so many shootings that police officers just are not answering to.

Well, this is lynching culture. Lynchen culture says that white people can do whatever they want to to black people, or anyone can do because not only white people, anyone can do whatever they want to do to people and no consequences. The good news is that over the past two decades we see more consequences, we see more people arrested, but they represent perhaps one percent of those who kill black people. And apparently it's okay to kill black people. And while we have very great fights in the Congress, we have so many for silent and si into is complicity when you look at some of these things. A sister is approaching her stove biling water. She says, says, I rebuke you. She did not make any move to hurt bat man, but he chose to kill her in cold blood. And we have so many of those. And so I'm not sure, sister, where we go with this because it's too much. And I think that it's not just the incident and the people who are close to the incident, it's our collective consciousness about lygen and culture. Again, understand that people can do whatever they want to black people and expect no consequence.

You know, Gelanda, this does say something about the system. I mean, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Let's see you at aj Owens out of Florida, Susan Wren. She did get twenty five years for shooting her even though at the time the shooting happened, and she was able to go right home, but she was eventually sentenced. I just think it says a lot about the justices and Jalanda. Depending upon where you live, the state, the street, the county, it all comes out to be very, very young.

I actually don't believe that it depends on where you live. Consistently, the vast majority of the times when police officers are charged with crimes against black people, like killing unarmed black people.

They generally walk.

Only relatively recently with President Obama was president, were we even starting to see where police officers were being held and I'll say partially accountable because had they killed a white person, the police officers would have gotten life what the person would have gotten life or whatever. And I think that it's only going to get worse with Trump. It is now going to be open well more open season, because it's already been open season on US, open season on US even. And part of my law practice is I'm a criminal defense lawyer. When you look anywhere here in Texas, for example, white folks and black folks can do the exact same thing.

White folks will get will get a warning or they'll call.

Their parents and take them there and the black kids will get put under the jail. So there's this disparate treatment. So there's disparit charging and they're disparit treatment. And all of the federal cases where police officers are charged or have been convicted with killing black people, I absolutely believe.

My prediction is that Trump is.

Gonna exonerate them's that he's gonna pardon them.

I believe that. I don't believe the federal government when Trump is in office, will be prosecuting police or federal claims, civil rights claims, those kind of claims. It's gonna be left to the states.

And then that's when I think it's gonna matter where you live, and if you're in an urban place, you probably have more of an opportunity to see some justice. But as long as they have governmental community for police officers, it is very different.

It's very differ and.

That even as between police officers, look at the color of the police officers who kill somebody. You look at those police officers. I think it was in Memphis where they killed Tyree Nichols. Sure they didn't get convicted of like the highest ones because it's right, there's never a bad police shooting because collateral damage is okay because.

They're fighting the boogeyman or whatever. But white officers get off way more than black officers.

So even though that dude wasn't Omega and they were all black, they're police officers. Guess what they found out they was black first. So I think it's gonna get worse. I think black people really need to be worried. And if you think that it was open season on us, it's going to be the wild wild West on us and we're not. We're going to see a lot less police accountability and convictions that don't get overturned or pardoned.

You know.

Joy a real lesson in civics and democracy here, because, as Julanda was saying, depending upon where you go in terms of charging up or down, well, most are elected.

Who did you vote for? You really need to know who you are putting in.

Offices because that's going to be the person that you are coming in front of if that ever happens to you.

It is important who you vote for.

We talk about in terms of president and congress people, what about that da I think a lot of lessons here.

President to dogcatcher, Every election matters and in this case, we don't even have the Justice Department that'll be able to give them pause. Right knowing that you can have a Justice department that decides to launch its own investigation or to you know, engage in some kind of pattern or practice investigation, some kind of deal with the police department to address not only the individual crime, but perhaps broader crimes that might be committed in the district.

We don't.

They will know that the Trump Justice Department is not going to do that, and worse, might even encourage encourage attacks and more criminals against you know, black and brown citizens and non citizens who are at the hands of the police. What we know is is true Black lives just simply do not matter as much, just as we know Palestinian lives simply do not matter as much, just as we are going to know continuously that immigrant lives do not matter as much.

That's what we ushered in.

That's the new era or the reverting back to old era that we ushered in.

That has not changed.

And yes, we had a few green shoots.

Right with George Floyd, or perhaps we'll have some green shoots and what just happened in New York, But the fact of the matter is the vast majority of the time they get off. They get off, especially when the things quiet down and we're not looking anymore, they simply they simply get off. So, you know, I can't say more than what myur CO panelists have already said dark days are ahead in terms of police brutality, because we haven't really even addressed the ultimate issues, which is that it's not the police, just that police are The problem is that we don't have the other resources in play that would help address some of the issues that are happening in our communities right and we have invested in training of officers when that's not enough. Just some of these police officers simply should not be on the beach.

They are not fit for public service.

So we talked about police officers. I also want to talk.

About people who are out there, like Susan Lorenz, So we mentioned a little bit earlier. She got twenty five years for shooting aj Owens, a black woman who was a mother of four.

Then we have another private citizen. We've got Daniel Penny. He was also he was acquitted.

Actually two different outcomes, you know, Jalanda, I'm really interested in your thought about citizens taking lives, taking the law and to their own hands and doing what they think is fit in order to defend themselves.

It's called vigilanti justice. And it depends who do the killing and who got killed. And it's terrible that you can predict probably what it's going to happen. I mean, I didn't find it unusual that after Daniel Penny was found not guilty that he was hanging out with President Trump and all their mother anti black people. That's about to have a whole bunch of power. And for me, it's really sad. I mean, I read the history books back when they taught it in history, just a little bit about lynchings and things like that. And we thought after the Civil rights movement and which really it never ended, that we didn't have to see those kinds of things where they would break into your house and drag away families, look for kids to kill them.

And we're going back.

And so for those of us who don't appreciate that elections matter and they do have consequences when you see a lot of these white folks.

Go and they kill us and they if you paid attention to the.

Trial, you will see all the tropisms and the caricatures that they make of black people. Of course he had to be violent. The man didn't hardly weigh anything. He was very a slight man, and he literally held him in a choke hold for I think they said six minutes, right, and he wasn't moving for like five of those minutes, right. So, and you knew that he was knocked out, unconscious, incapacitated.

And we know if we cut off.

Your breath, your air, you are going to die eventually or have severe brain damage. I say that all to say this that white folks are terrified then we're going to take over. And they are doing all that they can do to hold on to the power or that they have because they aren't making babies as much as us or as brown people. And you're we this country and the world is gonna see a lot more lack of accountability for people who kill black people. Now, if the person had been white, there's no doubt in my mind that he would have been convicted. But again, as Joy said earlier, black lives literally.

Do not matter.

Listen, before we go to break, there's one more thing that I want to touch upon.

I don't think it's going to take a lot of talking on each of our parts to talk about the pardon of Hunter Biden, as well as a pardon that is probably coming cut by Trump of himself. Joy, this was in the headlines all year. We finally got the answer this month. But Joy, we are not surprised.

No, I don't.

Not only we're not surprised. Joe Biden would have been crazy if he had to pardon this.

That's right.

Let yeah, give me.

A break, get out of hand like him. Believe we're still talking about it. But I never understood why he said he wasn't going to do it from the jump. That's the thing. I think there's confused people. But you know, Donald Trumps forgetted whatever. This was a You know, there is no way that Hunter Biden would have been in this situation he had been in but for the fact that he was a Biden, this would not have been had gone forward, he would not be facing jail time, even even if he were black. Right that this was definitely politicized. But that said, whatever happened to Hunter Biden, I couldn't care less. God bless him whatever, jail, no jail, whatever, He is not my concern. My concern are the black and brown people who are going to be under threat during this Trump administration.

And let me just let me just take it one step farther.

If you've been listening to what we've been saying, what people have been saying when they've been videotaping black people being harmed or anyone being harmed by whether it's cops or or individual citizens, they've been saying, drop that phone and engage right and fight back. And I believe we're gonna have some situations where black and brown people and white people too fight back.

They might attack those.

Cops who are trying to kill someone. They might attack that citizen who's trying to kill someone. In the real task of whether we believe that the lives matter is if we'll protect those people who are intervening and playing heroes when they drop that camera and say, I'm not just gonna videotape you killing somebody. I'm gonna intervene. That is going to happen. And there's gonna be a lot of white people, trust me, who're gonna have their ass wooked.

Doctor Malvau.

We probably see a pardon coming from Trump of himself. Would you agree.

More than them? Like he's gonna do whatever he can protect himself. He is in so much trouble with lawsuits all over the country with Yeah, he's gonna do whatever he can to protect himself, but let's be clear, he is a convicted fella. No matter what he does to protect himself, he is a convicted fella. And so you know that is that you can't take that away. There's so many other things that he's done that are not going away. The rape of or the sexual whatever of E. G. And Carroll. He has now been you see five million dollars and there's another eighty million on the table. Meanwhile, what bigg Is says is that I don't understand how these people bought the bullshit. Excuse my language. I try, not course just because Roland, but why they bought the bullshit. But this man, he's the lower priceice. Do he lower prices? No? Then he turned out and I can't do that. Okay, you know there's so many things that he said he was gonna do that just within these few weeks he can't do. Here's what he can do. He can put a litmus test on appointees. You must have harassed a woman in order to be a trumble appoint don't y'all think that that's kind of how it is. You must have harassed the woman to be a Trump appoint to the Congress, to the cabinet, to all of that. So as I look at this situation and look at what we have in front of us, all I have to say is that we have got to figure out how to push back. He is elected and shamel on, y'all Americans. That was a good idea, But he was elected.

We got that.

But what can we do to fight back. One of the things that I'm proposing is that we look at people who are working class and push them for Congress. I think one of the things that Democrats did is they lost track touch with working people. AOC is a good example of somebody who came out of nowhere. She was a Buristo or something like that. We need more people like that in Congress to really raise the issues. And I think that this is the time to begin to do so.

On that, all right, Jelanda, I'll give you about ten seconds before go to break.

We will see Trump pardon himself.

Oh yeah, but here's the deal. Biden needs to pardon a whole bunch of more people.

We need to partner all the black people, especially elected that he's going to go after and he can protect them from federal stuff where the Justice.

Department goes against them, because.

These are the black people we have left in Congress and the Senate or wherever that to help us, and they're going to go after them.

That is what Trump is going to do.

And we need somebody in government, so he needs to do more pardons, not less.

All right, Jelana, thank you for knowing that in ten seconds we are going to take a break, but we're going to have more of the headlines that you've been talking about in twenty twenty four.

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Twenty twenty four was a year of indictments, accusations. Let's talk about Seawn Holmes. Let's talk about the fact that he still remains in a detention in jail in Brooklyn. We know that this has now become a tell of two schans, not just Sean Holmes, but also Sean Carter. I want to open up the floor with you, doctor Malveaux. He appealed so many times in order to get out. It didn't work. Sex trafficking, racketeering, amongst a list of things that he has been charged with.

What are your thoughts about how this will turn out?

Well, it ain't gonna turn out right, if we can just I dig agree with that. I'm disturbed about a number of things around this. First of all, the allegations which seem to be on point at the same time, you know, I want to put race into this and talk about the white folks who have done this and worse and have spent less time. I'm not saying that what Sean comes has done is correct at all, but I'm looking at the racial implications of this. The other thing, however, is the predatory, capitalist use of women's sexuality, the fact that women are easily and often trafficked, and that this is something that for many of us goluding black folks seems to be okay. So I'm concerned about that. You know, I don't have any good vibes about any of this. If the allegations see correct and the charge is seeing correct, and at the same time the racial differences seem glaring, and like I said, I just I don't feel good about this. I don't feel good about this. I have prayers to everyone, but especially to the women who have been trafficked and victimized. And we have to go back to that. We got to get rid of the celebrity, get rid of that and go back to the women who are these women? What can we do to be supportive of them?

Jolanda, your legal hat is always on. Let's say, phones is your client. What are you telling him at this time? Are you looking for a flea deal?

Well, first of all, I'm waiting for Discovery to find out the evidence that they have, right, because sometimes evidence is good, sometimes it's bad. I've had I've had murder cases thrown out. I've had quarter pointed murder cases thrown out because they when they come at you, they come with you. Now generally, but like federal charges, they have they've done their homework and they have the goods. I will say that if you look at Weinstein and Epstein, they stayed locked up as well.

Right.

The thing I say with black folks, we have got to be careful. We can't get away with what white people get away with. We just can't. So we've got to ask ourselves if this came to light, I mean, do we get out of it? And my standard for myself is what I do in front of my grandmother. If I can't do in front of my grandmother, then I'm not gonna do it. I used to be married to a professional basketball player. I've been around people in the entertainment industry and the.

Things that go on.

You know, I'm wondering why these women here, right, because they're surrounded by misogynists and I know they trying to come up, but and then the men are just arrogant. They're just arrogant, and I think that is a terrible combination to have.

So this is America.

We are innocent until proven guilty, at least in theory, although I don't believe that that's how it works out in practicality. If I'm his lawyer, I'm asking you need to tell me what you did, because we have attorney client privilege, because I can't protect you from or try to protect you from what I don't know. And as a lawyer, as a criminal defense lawyer, you hope, you wish, you pray your client tells you stuff, because there's nothing like being pindsided.

Right If I'm his lawyer, I'm telling him go way back as far as you can remember.

Anybody who have problems with who doesn't like you, what do they know? Like, what evidence do they have? Because the best lies are lies that have some truth in them. So they go back to the truth and say, hey, now that's true. It's got to be true. So right now it's early on, they need to be evidence gathering and they're not gonna let him out, so and he needs not I would tell my client, do not talk on the phone. It's recorded. And I would tell my client to tell his family. Tell your family that ain't got no friends. The only person that can help you get out of this. If you can get out of this is me. They don't need to talk about to anybody about this because everybody's trying to come up and you tell them just a little bit of truth, they will winded. Next thing you know, they're famous and you locked up Joy twenty twenty four. We heard a lot of witness Temperaron when it comes to Sean calls. And of course now we have this other an element of Shawn Carter, which I think when he came out the gates, he he hit in a little bit of a different way, certainly with.

A lot more punch there.

You're a strategist.

What are you telling Shawn Colmebs and his people now, or even Sean Carter and his people?

So, I mean, Sean Carter needs to be quiet and be working his legal angles to try to say as far from this as possible and to say that this is about him being swept.

Up in a fever. If you're Shawn Combs, because I have a legal background as well. If you're Shawn Combs, you're you know.

As my guest said, you're also saying, look, this is ultimately about you know, what is the actual evidence.

There has been a lot said, a lot of put out in the media. But ultimately this is going to go to trial.

We're going to have actual evidence, We're going to see if there are any technicalities. You're going to try to pull any technical threads you can because that's the only thing that's.

Going to benefit you.

His career is over right, public persona is over.

He's trying to stay out of jail.

Now.

One of the things, and this is to talk about what woman is mount Vaux was talking about earlier. Marvaux was saying that, look, there is a racial element here. I want to see I want to see all these people go down. It is wholly unacceptable to me, and it always has been. The black women have been allowed to be abused by the music industry as well as any other industry. But we're talking about music industry. I don't want to get distracted. And it's being done by black men, but not just black men. It's also being done by some of the owners of these music companies, right, including you know Jewish people, white people, etc. Who own these companies, who are making money off of our demise, who knew that these parties were happening, and who were okay, So yeah, I want to figure out who was at the parties, who saw what when they could all go down. As far as I concerned, their music is not that good. Your talent does not excuse your criminality, but just stop at them. We got to get all of these execs who allowed it to happen. I want them to go to jail too. It will be wholly unsatisfying if we get Sean Combs, a relatively small fish when you look at the entire music industry and don't get the people who allowed it to happen, who encouraged it to happen, because it's how we kept people in line and distracted. So that, to me, is where we need to be focused. And frankly, if you're Shaun Combs, you're also trying to figure out who is a bigger fish than you.

Sure Sure Sure is really speaking to something that's really important, which is a culture of predatory capitalism and predatory a lot as well. What I'm saying is that these things in the entertainment industry, and not only in the entertainment industry, And thank you Joy for raising that these things occur because people allow them to occur because they feel that they can't do anything different, because that's just how it is. That's not how it is, and it's not how it has to be. I think we really need to drill down the wrong is wrong, But let's drill down to culture.

DeLanda, I want to move on. I want to talk about Fannie Willis, Nathan Wade. The accusations that we saw on display, We heard every detail of it. They captivated, captivated the nation as we watch all the details. We learned about her, her father, places that they met, we learned about Nathan Wade, we learned about him being on the case, and then it ultimately happened to Alanda.

She is no longer on this case. I wasn't surprised, were you?

I was not surprised.

As I said before, black folks don't get to do what white folks do, right. I'm proud to say that I was a host of a fundraiser here in Houston to keep her reelected because we need people who are unapologetic and who are unfearful of Donald Trump.

So now they've taken her out of it. So I don't know what's going to happen.

I suspect that whatever prosecutor takes over for her is not going to be relentless in bringing down a criminal. Now again, the beautiful thing about Trump's inability to pardon himself on state cases is that people like Fannie Willis can bring state charges against the president and he can't stop those. But let's face it, I'm elected, Fannie's elected. We date people, we go.

Out on dates. Why is it in the fairies. There are a lot of people that date.

Like you meet somebody in a I guess professional setting, maybe you end up liking him, so they were making something affairs. I'm not convinced that their relationship had anything to do with this, and and that is a tightwalk, a tight rope that we as elected officials walk. Now, my room for myself is don't messing nobody in the political area. If I in mind is try not to mess with no lawyers either, right, because there are ways that people that are evil can try to turn innocent things that.

Normal people do. People meet people at their work, people meet our church.

People meet people in professional events.

But Juliana, really, I mean, on one hand, I hear you, I hear you. On the other hand, the appearance of what I'm doing in this case was overwhelming. It wasn't that she just was dating the dude. Is that she dated the dude that she appointed to a very sensitive to change. So I'm not down on my sorrow at all. I think she's a bomb bomb bomb, But I really do think that discretion would have been the better way of dealing with this. And I think that she gave them an opening. And you know, good and gen well that they these people, these Trumpies, will take an opening wherever they can. But I'm talking, please, it would have been better if she walked on by the long, tall, very good looking man until they say have happened?

But can I just say though, it wasn't about their relationship, it was that she appointed him to this role and then they didn't disclose it. Many people date, You're correct, especially within the legal profession. There's nothing wrong with that, any kind of profession. Even in workplaces. People date, but you know, damn well, you gotta disclose it. You know that it can be an issue. You know that, and when you are on this stage, when you are dealing with the case as consequential as this one, the case with lawyers is competent at these will Ultimately we know some of the ones were not that competent. But you know he has people behind them. They're gonna pull on every thread that is available, and so you handed it over to them. And then upon being caught you did not pre intimately get out of the way and say, you know what, maybe we didn't handle this right. Not only is he gonna pull out, I'm gonna pull out and let my office continue with the case. Let's not make me the issue.

Let me move on.

You say it's me, okay, I'm out. She did not do that. She did not do that. She chose to fight as really nothing.

Sometimes you got to know when to hold them, no one to fold them, no one to walk away, no one to run. She did not do that in this case. It was a gross error in judgment. And we can love her, fellow, how I we can love her. We can think she's brilliant, we can appreciate her with her fight and still say this.

And this, you called it wrong. You let your I agree with you.

I think that a lot of us really appreciated her, appreciate her, appreciate the why she put in and the work that that team did. But I agree with you join one thousand percent. I don't agree with you often that much, all right?

So if you want to say this, and I.

Want to say very differently, she should really I want to say this really differently.

I mean I said this before.

When we achieve these heights that we achieved when we're elected, we have to be keenly aware that they're going to come after us. And as you said, doctor Maulbow and pull threads right. And so I think she did have some errors in judgment. Absolutely she did it.

But a lot of times we don't need to get ourselves in situations because you can play it out to it because you have all of the information right, we know what we're doing and we can project, Okay, if.

This comes out, it's going to be really bad. And I think that as elected officials we need to do a better job of deciding on these things. We can't do what regular people do who are not well.

First of all, what y'all need to understand. I'm going back to years ago when I think it was Congressman Diggs from Detroit was convicted of some bullshit for one of the better words. But the bottom line is you black. That means your target. That means that you have to have be impeccable in your ways because guess what if there's any little dropped thread, somebody is going to find it. And she missed timing again with our black elected officials, got the no vaut.

I'm going to jump in because we have certainly a lot of other topics to get to you as we look back at twenty twenty four.

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Oh, most definitely.

I think we were doing our show for our before our break. And remember I was watching this kid. I could not take my eyes off of him because he was about right nine or so.

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I was challenged by my uncle early on, before I even had a career, Like I was maybe eight years old, and my uncle said.

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And I told him I wanted to be a rapper, And they said, okay, well I don't know anything.

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And so I went and bought books.

All you need to know about the music business hit me, and I just wanted about a bunch of books to start reading.

As a ten year old. Jint reading, and so I.

Learned, you know all think licensing, mechanical rights. I learned about publishing, learned about how composition is broke up into two pieces, the writer's portion and the producer's portion. But by the time I actually learned, I came back and I was rid of it, Like, Okay, I got it, he would going to prison.

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All right.

We are a couple of hours closer to twenty twenty five.

Because of that, we're going to look ahead, look ahead with my guests, figure out what are some of the predictions. Maybe there's some advice that we have to share as we go into twenty twenty five.

Maybe advice A joy, I don't know, maybe something happy to do with Let's say January twentieth, and what comes after joy? Let me start with you. Hopefully we'll see a lot of joy you and the joy that we feel in twenty twenty five. But what do you think or predict for this next year?

You know, I think we're gonna have to fight, to be prepared to fight. But we're gonna have to pace ourselves, which means we're not gonna be able to run after every individual little thing.

If you live in Washington, d c.

Is doctor Malvaux, and I do, go out of town. I just bought my ticket to Orlando, which is where I'm from. All the Republicans will be here, i'm'll be in Florida. You know, get get out of dodge, be careful with yourself, and really kind of have impact as opposed to running after every single thing that you could possibly run after in what will be the chaos of the Trump administration. And then I think it's also time to focus local. They're going to be looking towards national. We have to focus local. This is the time to run for office, to move back home, if that's what you want to do.

This is the time to invest.

In local candidates, to focus, you know, to do your thinking globally, but you're acting locally right now in this next two years, all right, doctor Malvaux.

Well, I agree with Joy completely on this one. I do think that we do need to think locally. I think that there are lots of fights, lots of resistance, lots of stuff, low hanging fruit that we can deal with, and so I think that's really important. But I think the other thing is everybody's focused on the cabinet. Let's look at the other people. Let's look at the under secretaries, Let's look at the deputy assistant secretaries. I'm especially concerned about education, of course, being that I'm an educator. I'm concerned about what's gonna happen in the Department of Education, which is while what the woman becomes that worldwide wrestling or something has about as much interest in education as I do. In the planet of Mars, she's there, and so we're gonna have to be looking, and we're gonna have to find allies. The fact is that you know, we we know, we lost, we lost the election, we lost the Congress, we lost the Senate. But there's some good Republicans that we can find alliances with uncertain issues. Every Republican is not anti climate change, Let's look for them. Every Republican is not anti education. In fact, Republicans have been really star warts and supporting HBCUs. Let's look for them. And let's just looking for allies who we can chip away at the next be really hard to guess what nobody told me the road would be easy. God ain't brought us as far to be.

All right, we should look for allies. But Julanda, what else? What other predictions do you see? We're twenty twenty five.

So I actually took some notes because I wanted to make sure that I said them. So the first thing, the first.

Thing I believe that we need to do if we hope to take back local houses and national houses in government, is that we the people that are elected. We need to invest in young people and help show them the ropes and stop staying elected. For that's the first thing that we need to do, which is why they really aren't engaged with us. The second thing that I think we need to do, just as human beings, is we to those who are given much as expected. We need to be altruistic and help people because there's going to be a lot of people who are not going to have their needs met because of this election that just happened. I think that people in the future need to pay attention to how we vote, not how we tell you we are fighting for you, because I think that if you actually pay attention to how we vote, that will tell you a lot of things.

That sometimes elected officials are not honest with what they do.

I also believe, as Joy was talking about, you need to take a mental health break because.

This road is gonna be tough. My father committed suicide.

People may not know that I was with my dad when he committed suicide. Believe Ma've had a whole bunch of therapy. Black people especially need to. We need to reinvigorate, which is why I'm leaving on a plane tomorrow to go to another country.

I ain't gonna be here when a new year comes in.

And then.

And because I believe this that we are in moving forward come January, whatever day Trump is getting sworn it, we are going to be in the life or death fight to maintain our civil rights and to not go back. And we need to be ready mentally, and we need to be ready with our allies, and we need to pay attention because what we don't know can literally destroy us.

Are my predictions, and I've been working out again.

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Look at that?

Okay, wow, you know what this is?

What fifty nine?

Look like?

That?

That is fifty nine.

Look look, look, you got a lot of people who are gonna be righting you? How did you this?

Seventy one looks like.

All right, all right, well listen, listen some great advice there. I also want to add this. I know that a couple of you are getting on a plane tomorrow sometime soon. Also, let's think about a little bit of joy in twenty twenty five.

We're here.

That's half the battle. I know that we've got plans about allies and politics and mental health, and that is great, and mental health and joy go hand in hand. How are you bringing yourself joy out there?

Who?

Everybody who's watching right now?

We're here.

That is half the battle.

Let's also think about joy as we think about some other just things that we know we're going to have to deal with that we don't want on our plate in twenty twenty five, Let's be happy.

Yes, is resistance resistance?

They are not.

We ain't pitiful, we ain't no ways tired. We are all that and three bags or whatever kind of chips you eat. I am excited for twenty twenty five. I'm probably the eldest on this conversation, which is okay, and I'm really grateful. I mean, I'm in a space where I'm just thanking God for everything. Yeah, thanking God for y'all and thanking God for the many ways that we continue to rise. As doctor Martin, who was one of my mentors, said three years ago, people you know, and y'all have heard it. People don't tell you. If people tell you who they are, leave them. She also said getting old ain't for sissies, because there were always going to be challenges. Older you get, the more challenges you're gonna deal with. But the last thing that she said that sticks with me right now is whenever you, I call your name, Whenever I think of you, I call your name. All of us have had so many people that have been so meaningful. Do we call their name? Do we call them up? Do we deal with them? That's where we are and it makes me smile to have had a mentor who gave me so much wisdom to say you, I call your name.

And we are going to end on that high note today.

I want to thank all three of you for especially ending on Joy Joy, Doctor Julian Melvow, DeLanda Jones, and Joy Cheney.

Happy New Year a little bit early, and thank you for allowing us to go through twenty twenty four with you. We always love what we have, what you have to say, and we look forward to seeing you in the new year.

And we look forward to seeing everybody out there who is watching us. Now throw some comments below. How are you spending the new year? How are you bringing joy? I'm Danas Kelly filling in for Roland Martin here on Roland Martin filtered Happy New Year, a little bit earlier and seeing you in twenty twenty five, Happy.

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