"The World Hated Me" - Constance Wu Back From the Brink

Published Oct 13, 2022, 7:00 AM

“Crazy Rich Asians” star Constance Wu vanished from the spotlight three years ago. Now, she’s at the Red Table for an emotional conversation about the unrelenting backlash from ‘careless tweets’ that nearly cost her her career… and her life. Constance reveals harrowing stories from being sexual harassed by her boss, a yearslong estrangement from her mother, and the devastating pain of being ostracized by her own community.

Hey, fam, I'm Jada Pinkett Smith and this is the Red Tabletop podcast, all your favorite episodes from the Facebook Watch show in audio produced by Westbrook Audio and I Heart Radio. Please don't forget to rate and review on Apple Podcasts. Crazy Rich Asians was huge. Fresh off the Boat was his story. The star. Constance Wu was on top of the world. Then with one tweet, it all came crashing down. People were canceling me for being ungrateful and ungraceful. I read these dms from an Asian actress. She called you a blight on the Asian community. The world was saying you will never suffer as much as you deserved to suffer. While I was unsafe at that point, the backlash drove her to attempt suicide. I was feeling like I didn't deserve to live, feeling like I had ruined everything for everyone, And maybe I did for some people, but people make mistakes. Right. For the first time in years, Constance Wu was speaking out. I had swallowed the abuse for so long. It was him rubbing my leg and being like, your skin is so smooth, and then going further, you talk about having been raped. Her response to those who turned against do you feel the need to apologize anymore. Rude, nasty, mean spirited, arrogant, spoiled, brett ungrateful little bitch. I hope you get fired and contract a terrible disease. These are just a few of the harsh comments posted about our special guest today. In twenty nineteen, Constance Woo was a Hollywood darling. Her stellar performance in the smash hit Crazy Rich Asians earned her a Golden Globe nomination, the first for an Asian woman in fifty six years. She played a hilariously strict mom and the popular sitcom Fresh off the Boat and a stripper alongside j Low in Hustlers. Then, after news broke that her sitcom had been renewed, Constance and a tweet that ignited a viral firestorm. So upset right now that I'm literally crying. When a fan tweeted, congrats when your renewal great news, Constance replied with no, it's not. The backlash was swift and unrelenting. Many of Constance's millions of fans turned against her that a matter of days. Constance, who was once celebrated and adored, was attacked, vilified, and ostracized. For three years, she disappeared from social media and pulled back from public life. At her lowest point, Constance attempted suicide. Constance Wu because here for her first in depth interview since the release of her highly anticipated memoir Making a Scene. Hi, welcome for having thank you, Hello, I have a seat. We know very well here at this table what it is like to get hit with backlash. So yeah, we understand. Let's start with what you've called careless tweets and just set the scene for us. It's actually hard for me to talk about about getting emotional, but you know, it's it's funny because people were basically canceling me for being ungrateful and ungraceful, and they were saying, you know, I didn't think about the other people's jobs on the show, and um, how selfish that was, and how I was like behaving like a diva. And what people didn't realize that during my first couple of years on Fresh off the Boat, I was sexually harassed and I was intimidated and I was threatened all the time. This producer, he is an Asian American, and the thing that was most painful was he was so derogatory and harassing towards me but because this show was sort of a beacon of representation for Asian Americans and I sort of became a symbol of representation. I didn't want to sully the one show with sexual harassment claims against the one Asian American man who was doing all this better work for the community. So I think that's sort of what happened. When I, you know, tweeted that stuff, it seemed out of character if you don't know me and don't know all the pain and abuse I had to swallow for years. And the reason I'm crying now is because you sort of have to be honest about it as it happens, so it doesn't come out later the way it does. You mentioned sexual harassment. Was that happening on set? And it happened on set things like show me show me this friend, I want to see if her or not like that kind of thing. Constance writes about her experience with the Asian American producer who was her boss. He told me the way he preferred my hair guys like long hair. Told me I looked better in short skirts and should wear them more often while you still can, he'd say, with a smirk. He kept tabs on all areas of my life. She says. He would send her messages after hours. Sometimes he texted me late at night requesting selfies. It made me feel uncomfortable and I didn't want to, so I made excuses like, gosh, sorry, I hate selfies. They made me feel so narcissistic. He thought that was stupid. It's not a big deal, he told me later, Lots of actresses send me selfies. Yeah. I also felt guilty because I felt like I was playing into it because at that time, this is my first ever big TV show. I gotta pretend I'm part of the boys club. I gotta pretend I'm cool with this talk. I'm like and I would just say, oh my god, there's such a dick, like get over yourself. But the actual touching of me, it only happened once, and it was quote unquote not that bad compared to other stories I've heard. But the point is it shouldn't have happened at all. He was basically pressuring me to go to a basketball game. I really don't want to row too. I finally relented, and then him telling me to dress cute, and then it was him rubbing my leg and being like, your skin is so smooth, and me being like stop, don't do that, and then him going further and putting his hand over my crotch, you know, and try to like graze and like turn me on or something, and then me being like, dude, stop, that's not cool, which pissed him off, and then he ignored me for five minutes. And I mean it was over jeans, so it's like still still, yeah, you don't do that. If somebody touches your blooe over sweater, they're still trying to touch your book. It doesn't it doesn't even matter. I spoke up to a couple of people who I thought were kind like friends and allies, and they were like, nobody encouraged me to go to HR though, because they didn't want to show to be canceled. And then several years later, somebody encouraged me to report it to HR, but I was like, nobody's going to believe me. I don't have evidence. But I regret that, and she was right, I should have reported it to h R because that's their job. Doesn't even mean any action is going to happen, but it means that there's a record of this happening, and that is helpful for future people. And the thing that was really interesting was too black and white women. He displayed the utmost respect and deference. And I've since heard accounts from other Asian actresses who have been like, oh, yeah, me too, this happened to me with this guy too. It is an interesting phenomenon that makes you feel quite alone because if I were to talk about this, like if you were my colleague on set, it would be baffling to you because she would have treated you the difference respect. To see your abuser being buddy buddy with everybody, it feels like a betrayal. Absolutely, I understand that one. So was this part of the reason why you made that tweet? Then it was a perfect storm of many things. First of all, I had swallowed the abuse for so long that producer and I didn't talk for like the remaining three or four years of the show, so I thought it was a chapter behind. I never have to bring it up. I never have to sullute the reputation of the show that's a beacon for Asian American representation, and I really wanted a clean slate that didn't hold so many memories of intimidation and fear and Also, we were told the show likely wouldn't be remute. The last episode of the prior season had been written as a series finale. My movie Crazy Rich Asians opened right before they decided to renew Fresh off the Boat, So it was sort of a bad look to cancel the one Asian American sitcom when Crazy Asians brought up this renewed conversation. And so I think the news just caught me by surprise and I had to drop out of the projects. I was looking forward to the clean slate. I was looking forward to. Your expectations were dashed. I actually felt lied to. But the thing is I shouldn't have done it on Twitter, and the people don't know you. All they know is, oh my goodness, she complaining and you were just Crazy Rich Asians was huge, and we have this show that represents she thinks she's a big movie star. For the information people had, the public had, of course, it looked like that. So I don't fault people for thinking that. But Asian Americans were the one who kind of piled onto me. So after your tweets, a former colleague had messaged you saying nothing you could ever do would make up for your atrocious behavior and disgusting and gratitude. You, Sully, the one shining beacon of whole for Asian Americans. You've become a blight on the Asian community. I read these d m s from an Asian actress, somebody who should have been my ally, and I felt like nothing I could ever do would be enough. I felt like the only thing that would prove to her that I felt as bad as she thought I deserved to feel, would would be if I died. I felt like even that might not be enough, because I felt like the world was saying, you will never suffer as much as you deserve to suffer. You deserve to pay for this and be punished for this. Can you take us through how you ended up on on the ledge of your shift floor balcony with a blanket. It was the weirdest detail in my mind. I think I wanted to like jump with a comfort jet as if I was a child. It was so weird. It was after reading these d m s and I just got in this state, like my palms are still itching when I think about it. In her book, Constance reveals what happened after reading those messages. Her d ms made me feel helpless and desperate, my heart full of sharp attacks. Why wouldn't she believe my remorse that I heard as badly as she wanted me to. My head spinning, I realized I needed a wound to prove it, to prove that I hurt as bad as everyone said I deserved to hurt. And it couldn't be a little wound. It had to be the biggest wound in the world for it to be enough. And that's how I ended up clutching the balcony railing of my fifth floor apartment and staring wildly down at the New York City street below. Wow. A friend who had come to check on me pulled me over from climbing over the ledge and dragged into the elevator and took me into a cab and took me to a psychiatric emergency room where they checked me in, and I slept the night on a cot in the waiting room in a psychiatric or in New York City under observation. And then there were two councilors the next morning who talked to me. And then I had to be in therapy with a psychiatrist and a psychologist every day for a while. That you know it was helpful. I needed it. I was unsafe at that point. Yeah, I was in a mental place of just beating myself and so much shame and feeling like I didn't deserve to live, feeling like the world hated me, feeling like I had ruined everything for everyone, and maybe I did for some people. But you know, people make mistakes, absolutely, and I'm sorry. I hate that. I'm crying. I can't help it. I like it makes sense. I know, growing up in the limelight, we kind of are like, oh whatever. We kind of try to bush it off, like people say things, people this and that, and we we try to normalize it. But it's not normal for millions of people to be hateful towards one person, and it shocks the nervous system, and it shocks the mind, and it shocks the heart, and it shocks the soul. It's not normal and it hurts. So it was those hurtful d m s that was on top of everything else. Everything ms were sort of the pushed you and that's what got you to that place of possibly harming yourself. And you're right, it's not normal. I have been punished and mocked, and you know, there was an event several months later. There's this organization called CAPE and they do this gala every year for Asians and they wanted me to come because they wanted to celebrate the show and the kids on the show. And at that time, there's so much controversy around me that I was like, if I go, people are just gonna want to talk about the tweets, and like, I love my kids on the show so much, I want this to be a moment for them to celebrate. And also I told them I don't want anybody to make fun of it because I'm still in a very raw place about it, like I'm not ready to be mocked for it. They didn't know I had a suicide attempt, but I expressed that, like I can't deal with that. They promised me they said, no, no, no, no, we love Constance. It will only be warm energy and positive vibes towards her. So I was like, okay, okay, I'll go. And then they sat me like in the front row and like had all these cameras on me, and within ten minutes, the host of the show like made a crack at me, and I was sitting there alone trying not to cry in a public setting, and the whole audience was like, Oh, they had promised they wouldn't mock me, and they did it right off the bat. It almost got like they were setting me, and it truly felt like a betrayal from the Asian American community. Yeah. A couple of months prior to that, I was in the emergency room. Yeah, and the host of that seem he did the right thing and he apologized and it was a sincere apology. I just want to say, I feel like the reaction wouldn't have been as visceral if there were more representation beforehand. But I think you hit it on the nose. I think it's because it's because of the last there of people are like, oh, this is our yeah, exactly. So let me explain to you why the Asian American community was so angry about Constance Woo's tweets. Fresh off the Boat was the first Asian American family sitcom that we had had in twenty years, and it was huge for the community. So when she tweets that she's very unhappy about the fact that the show was being renewed for its final season, people really felt that not only was she being ungrateful, or acting like a prima donna, but that it was a betrayal to the Asian American community. Because there are so few Asian American stars, there is incredible pressure put on these actors like Constance Wood to be perfect. When they make a mistake, it seems like a catastrophe because we don't have anything else to fill in the void. And because she was representing Asian Americans, she wasn't allowed to have an emotion in this way. All those people who bullied her said, you know what, you don't deserve to have a big feeling. This is probably going to be a moment of reflection for Asian America about who the real target of our anger is and should be. Doesn't Constance Woo and every person don't we deserve to quit our jobs when we're being treated poorly, or just because we don't want to do our jobs anymore? I think too, when it comes from your own community, it's even more painful. I don't want to deny the fact that there is a community responsibility, because there absolutely is, but you've got to have grace and compassion as well. I think moments like this are an opportunity rather than engaging in judgment just to engage in curiosity. I wonder what made somebody do something so out of character, And it doesn't mean that you're validating their behavior, because yeah, I probably shouldn't have tweeted that stuff. What do you feel that your Asian community is feeling about you now? Do you feel like they're still angry with you? I feel like they are avoiding me. M M. I feel the disapproval, but rather than being blatant, the silence of how much people reached out to me before pre tweet versus post, And you can tell the silence has an effect. We need to hold each other accountable, but with support. Each other accountable, but with the support, it's sort of like you weren't your best and I know you can be better, and I'm here for you better, rather than like, oh, I'm not touching that, which is sort of how I feel these days. Do you feel the need to apologize anymore? I think I'm good with apologies. I think I'm done with shame. I think that I have done more work than most people have done because I've kind of been forced to, you know, more work on yourself. Yeah. Yeah, And I think the people who still want me to apologize and to feel remorse. Are the people like that Asian actress who say that nothing I ever do will be enough. That's actually yours, that's not about me anymore. Who did do look towards for support or comfort in your circle? Well, I mean that was also a part of it is that I think a lot of my close friends kind of disapproved of it too, which made me feel even more isolated. Actually, only like two Asians reached out to me to check if I was okay. What about your family? Oh, that's a whole other thing, because that was at a time that I wasn't speaking to my mom and I hadn't spoken to my mom and like four or five years, complete silence, like not even emails. That's something I kept private, that estrangement from her because I was embarrassed of it. But at the time of those tweets, I was not talking to her. I was still very close to my dad and she doesn't talk to my father since they're divorce. But when that happened, she called my dad was like, hey, is she okay? Can you check on her? And my dad telling me that kind of broke my heart but also made me feel loved in a way, can you tell us what caused the a separation between you and your mom and the first place talk about that. It was when I first became famous with Fresh off the Boat. I didn't know how to handle fame and it threw me into a tailspin. And I do think that I, like many daughters do, I took it out on my mom. I mean sometimes she reacted in ways that were very paranoid, telling me like what I shouldn't shouldn't do. But I internalized it and almost like weaponized it against her. I wasn't a great daughter at that time, and that was I think maybe around the time I was like four or five months partnant was when I reached out to her. And then of course when I had my baby, everything changed. Yeah that'll do it. Yeah, yeah, I know with mom. Mom, when I had my children, we had a huge healing between us as well, you know her coming into gambihood, you finally get it. I saw that little glint, that little magic, like you know things change once you get your baby would change. I mean, everything changed, but gave me a newfound respect. I have one, right, My mom had four and at one point they didn't even have health insurance. They were on the food stamp program, and my mom did it pretty much herself because my dad was working full time. Honestly, when we reconciled it was back and forth. There were nice phone calls because this was also in the height of the pandemic, and then they were bad facetimes. There was one where she suddenly broke down and started insulting me and saying, like, you know how embarrassing it is to not have your daughter speak to you. You did all these horrible things. I had learned through therapy that when that happens, rather than get defensive, to just let her have her feelings. I listened and I said that must have been really hard for you, and that's on me, and I'm sorry. And all of her anger disappeared and I realized, oh, it wasn't anger, it was just hurt in disguise. But then she was like, oh, never mind, anyway, did you see these flowers? I planned it. It was instantly over. And it's that moment of empathy, not judgment, not defensiveness, and saying like that must have been hard for you. So in your book, you talk about at a young age of two, haven't been raped and hadn't realized it. And I've heard that so often, I know, isn't it so sad that it's so common. I was on a second date with a guy and he asked me to come up to his place, and you know, we made out mess around a little bit. You know, I let myself be tocchially, let him take my clothes off, and then he reached for a condom in the nightstand, clear signal for sex, right, and so I clearly said to him, sorry, I'm not ready for sex, because you always say sorry, and he didn't listen to me, kept putting the condom on. So I said, no, really, I'm I'm not ready to have sex. I used clear language. But he didn't fight me. He just was so gentle. He like kissed me on the forehead. He was being so loving and tender, and then he just did it anyway. And I didn't fight back because he's twice my size. It's almost like I had to give in to protect myself. I was in his territory, in his apartment, and I was like, it already happened, even though I said no. So this is why my book is called making a Scene, because in a strange way, I didn't fight back because I didn't want to make a scene. I was trying to be the cool girl. I didn't want to be the crazy girl. I didn't want to say stop and then him to be like I didn't even want to do anyway. Do you think you're so hot? Crazy girl? And I didn't register it as rape because we're so used to think by It was a quite experience, even though my words were clear. Him having sex with me was quite. And then afterwards I like giggled and was nice to hide my discomfort. He wanted me to stay over, and I was like, oh no, I can't. I had like my skincare products. And I made some stupid excuse and then he was like, okay, text me back, you know when you're home safe. So I texted him when I got home. I was like, home safe, Thanks for a great night. So if I were to accuse him of rape in the court of luck, he has these texts that thank you for a great night, all I have is my voice saying I'm not ready for sex. I think we we define rape as like, oh, it needs to be like violent and everything, but rape is just a clear disregard of consent. Yeah, I consented to making out. I did, I consented to take off. I totally get it. But that's why it wouldn't go over in court of course. Yes. Also, I had an orgasm and I is really ashamed to talk about that, and I've decided it was important to talk about that because then people are like, she should be grateful whatever. It's a hell of a subject. What people think is concern and not concern and no means no. I couldn't agree more. We've talked about some really triggering issues, so we've got psychotherapists mena be standing by to help with some takeaways. I are you as I'm good, Thank you so much for having me so me. Now, what advice would you offer to people who are sitting in deep discomfort of like being ostracized, shamed and all of that. The reason why being ostracized is so difficult for us is because being ostracized means being excluded and pushed out, and we need acceptance, and we need belonging and we need safety. When we don't have that, we develop our anxious, avoided, and disorganized attachments towards people because is already there is a lack of safety and belonging So the first thing I say is find your people, because those are the people when things get ugly, when things get heavy, you're going to need someone in your corner to say I got you, I have your back. The next thing that I really encourage people to do is lean on self validation. Rejection is so hard because we want to be light and you want to be accepted. Self validation says I can live in my truth even when it makes you uncomfortable. But I'm comfortable with myself. And once you are comfortable with yourself, those voices no longer matter. And the last thing I will say is what's very unfortunate about speaking out is constant. You even brought this up in your story. People who you thought had your back are going to show you who they are. And that's heavy stuff. There is grief and loss when realize the people aren't supposed to be in your corner are dming you and sending you hateful, disgusting messages. The people who are supposed to be in your corner are making a smear campaign against you. They're calling you out and not calling you in that part. And the reason why that's just such a loss is because you thought so highly of this person. Now, I know I can't be in a supportive relationship with you, and that takes a lot to reconcile with. But I do encourage you to open your heart up to recognizing you will be able to now filter out who's for you and who's not, and who you need to protect yourself from men. You bring up a good point. I'm glad you brought this up. Grieving that is a is a step I didn't think about by the question you started out by saying, when you're in this place, it's important that you sort of find your people. So what happens when you seek out who you thought were sort of your people but then they're not you realize that they're really not and how isolating that might feel. Because I think that's sort of what led me to feel like I shouldn't be alive anymore. I almost felt like me being alive was doing a disservice to my community, and it was just such a lonely place to be. And I'm just you know, I I guess I can answer my own questions. That's actually found somebody, my friend Mollie from middle school, who's not Asian. Uh, you know, she's a blonde, white girl. But she's known me since you know, you found your person and you sought out help and therapy and other you know, they might might not have been personal friends of yours, but other people who could symbolize safety and community. But I think Mina made a good point, and I think it just hit a nerve for you, just in the sense of being able to have that space to mourn and grieve the loss of people didn't well. And also we get the experiences so we can actually learn to be the thing that we actually want because we're not always showing up the way that we want to be showed up for. Yeah, I really feel like sometimes our experiences really kind of clean us up on that. It's a cycle, huge, huge, red table cycle. Absolutely so, Constance. We have a few of your fans who have some questions for you. Madeleine from Toronto says she relates to Constance. Hi, Madeleine, am, I'm so happy to be here, Constance. I just first want to say thank you. Seeing you in Crazy Rich Asians and was really the first time I felt accurately represented on screen. It really led me to feel more comfortable and proud of my identity as an Asian woman. I am grew up in a pretty white town and I didn't see people who looked like me around, not in school, not at the mall, and definitely not in mainstream media. And it really affected my self worth as an Asian woman. It made me feel like I wasn't good enough, so it made me want to assimilate and whitewash myself. Okay, you had somewhat of a similar experience throwing up in Richmond. Yes, completely. My high school mascot back then was a rebel holding a Confederate flag. That was our mascot. Whoa, whoa. That's deep. It has affected my mental health a lot. It's something that I am still working through, and so what I would like to know is what are some ways that you keep your mental health in check, especially after all of that you've been through. I mean regular therapy. I had to go every day at one point when things were really bad. Now I still go once a week. But even before that, I've read books like I've read a lot of Grin Hate Brown, We Love her Neck. I read a lot of self help, which amazing, but for some reason, there's like a stigma around self help books so much so that now they have to call it self improvement, as if asking for help is a horrible thing. It's not. I remember one time I googled how do I become a more forgiving person? Because I was having trouble for giving somebody and I've done that. One of the first things that came up with. When you're forgiving somebody, you're actually doing it more for yourself, so you're not holding that hatred in your heart. So just even taking the time to seek out those questions, that's what I do. I am continually trying to be a better person. Yeah, I encourage people to start journaling and writing out your thoughts. What do you think about yourself? What do you think you deserve. Another thing is to start audio journaling, talking and recording yourself. And the reason why that can be important is because when you listen to yourself, you can start pinpointing the discrepancies and you're thinking. So you'll say to yourself, pattern, I can't believe I really thought that about myself. That's interesting. Yeah, you're able to really dissect what's living in your mind, because this is a problem we live in our head, and when we pull all that stuff out, we can use discernment and we can use judgment and have a more sound mind. Absolutely well, thank you so much, Madalie. Thank you so. Ebony from Pennsylvania says that she's been vocal about the problems going on at work. Hi. Hi, So I've been involved in a workplace where I've spoke up about situations that I felt like we're bias or prejudice or racist in some way. My question is, when I'm speaking about these things, how do I do that without the fear of feeling like I'm an angry black woman or I might even be canceled in the workplace. When I had sexual harassment going on, I should have reported it to h R. I wasn't able to do that at the time because I was so afraid that. I think going to the people whose job it is to hear those type of things and not make judgments about not to say you're the angry black woman, You're the angry Asian woman. Um. I think that's what would probably help. As a black woman, I completely relate to Ebony and this fear of being labeled the so complex because we cannot change the minds of people who are committed to seeing us through the lens of a stereotype, Ebony, I really encourage you to one find your community at that workplace, because if you're feeling that, chances are there are other people in a workplace who are feeling what you're feeling, but they're having the same concerns as you. I'm afraid the next thing I would say, Ebony, that hurt in her question, how can I do this without the fear of And we tell ourselves in order to progress, we have to remove emotion. You can do things even while you're afraid, right, And so I really encourage you to not allow fear to control your decision making. Despite being afraid, despite this being a risk, despite me feeling uncomfortable, my truth still matters. And in order for us to seek change, we do have to step out of our comfort zone. But I guarantee if we are willing to do that, sometimes we also recognize, well, that actually wasn't as scary as I thought it would be. Right, will also address the company and the workplace so that they can do better, because we want to be here. Yeah. Michelle is joining us from Mount Vernon, Illinois and says you Constance helped her find her voice. Hey, Michelle, Hihad table. Hi. I'm an educator sexual abuse survivor. I was groomed into a love relationship with a trusted teacher starting when I was fourteen. He was twenty five years older than me, and I really did think that he loved me. I didn't even understand that I was abused until I was forty four years old. And when I spoke up about that, I was ostracized from my community. It hurt my children. It hurt me so much. There was a lot of suicidal thoughts going on then. I really didn't even see what the point was of living anymore. Yeah, and when I saw your post, I had to comment on it. Just your courage and your transparency alone was inspiring to me when you responded to me. To be heard, that's what survivors want, They just want to be heard. Yeah, I can still find myself going into that rabbit hole sometimes. What is the point of living when I take on that hatred? What is it that helps you keep moving forward? Now? For me, the thing that keeps me going is honestly people like you. Because I remember the time when I was going through this difficult time, how alone I felt. It's not the most pleasant experience sharing these traumatic events that happened to me, but I want to help people who are in the same situation. The more we talk about it, the more I hear your story and say you are not alone. You did not deserve to be shamed by your whole town. You are brave for coming forward with that. Michelle. I want you to know there are so many women who go through that. I have young women I went to school with that were groomed by teachers and that was kind of a normal thing that nobody was talking about. So thank you, Michelle for even bringing that subject up. Thank you for your courage. And you've helped so many people that you don't even realize exactly speak you're helping more people than people who are coming at you with their foolish there's just a louder voice. I believe that. Thank you, so, thank you, thank you so final thoughts, just thank you for taking the time to listen. I don't feel like I've had a lot of people who wanted to take the time to listen, and you know it means a lot. Thank you. Thank you for trusting us with your story. And I don't want to apologize for crying, but I also do because I don't apologize. I am embarrassed still humanity, yes, yes, but you're steal embarrassed. Don't be Thank you me and you gave us some really good stuff today. We appreciate you. Thank you so much. Of course, thank you all for having me and for all of you out there. Constant new book Making a Scene is available right now, go get it, get it. Thank you guys, Thank you you guys. Amazing. Hi everyone, I'm calm, I'm Olivia Constant. You inspired us to recreate your dress from Crazy Rich Asians. I remember Olivia's screaming, mom, look at me. It's Constant. So seeing you on screen was meaningful, but seeing you share your story is such a testament to giving yourself grace. Oh wow, that was so cute, so beautiful. I really liked it. Warms my heart to join the Red Table Talk family and become a part of the conversation. Follow us at facebook dot com slash red table Talk. 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