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Now, really Hello, and welcome to really know Really with Jason Alexander and Peter Tilden, who keep melodically reminding you to subscribe, subscribe, subscribe, as if we're singing some kind of Christmas Carol, and speaking of Carol. Comedy writer and stand up comic legend Carol Leafer has written some of the funniest shows on television, including the OSCARS broadcast, The Larry Sanders Show, Saturday Night Live, and Seinfeld, for which her one time romance and subsequent friendship with Jerry Seinfeld became the real life role model for the character of Elaine Vennis.

Now, really Hello, and welcome to really know Really with Jason Alexander and Peter Tilden, who keep melodically reminding you to subscribe, subscribe, subscribe, as if we're singing some kind of Christmas Carol, and speaking of Carol. Comedy writer and stand up comic legend Carol Leafer has written some of the funniest shows on television, including the OSCARS broadcast, The Larry Sanders Show, Saturday Night Live, and Seinfeld, for which her one time romance and subsequent friendship with Jerry Seinfeld became the real life role model for the character of Elaine Vennis.

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Her whole career has been about writing things that make people funnier, and today she's talking about her new book that can actually help you and everyone you know be funnier and better at speechify. It's called How to Write a Funny speech for a wedding, bar mitzvah, graduation, and every other event you didn't want to go to in the first place. See even the title's funny. Today, she talks to the guys about life, love, and her story career that has led to multiple Emmy nominations and a win for her outstanding contribution to the hit show Hacks. And speaking of Hacks, here are two of the best ones in the biz, Jezon Alexander and Peter Tilden.

Her whole career has been about writing things that make people funnier, and today she's talking about her new book that can actually help you and everyone you know be funnier and better at speechify. It's called How to Write a Funny speech for a wedding, bar mitzvah, graduation, and every other event you didn't want to go to in the first place. See even the title's funny. Today, she talks to the guys about life, love, and her story career that has led to multiple Emmy nominations and a win for her outstanding contribution to the hit show Hacks. And speaking of Hacks, here are two of the best ones in the biz, Jezon Alexander and Peter Tilden.

Now, how we going to get into this one? You know how many episodes have we done? One hundred and what?

Now, how we going to get into this one? You know how many episodes have we done? One hundred and what?

But it feels like one hundred episodes underwater one hundred and.

But it feels like one hundred episodes underwater one hundred and.

I always wonder how we're going to start, how we're going to start, how we're going to do this one.

I always wonder how we're going to start, how we're going to start, how we're going to do this one.

Feels like Larry, I can't do this, can't be done again. The reason we have Carol leifer.

Feels like Larry, I can't do this, can't be done again. The reason we have Carol leifer.

On, I'm here to promote my book, by the way, unusually long.

On, I'm here to promote my book, by the way, unusually long.

How to write a funny speech dot dot dot for a wedding, by mits, for graduation and every other event you didn't want to go to in the first place.

How to write a funny speech dot dot dot for a wedding, by mits, for graduation and every other event you didn't want to go to in the first place.

And it's a template in there, right, Yes, so you can write speak like a mad lab.

And it's a template in there, right, Yes, so you can write speak like a mad lab.

I can use one page. I'm gonna loved.

I can use one page. I'm gonna loved.

And Jerry and we may use his name always said that giving speeches ranks above. It's the thing people are the scaredest about because they're to get up in front of people, even my wife get up and go just know, write something that you can't wait to tell him. We'd be you know, have moments, you know, but people get panic. Do you think Jerry's act, he says at a funeral, the guy speaking is worse off than the coffee. As far as that goes, death doesn't still stuck on. Scaredest, more scared, more frightened, Yes, more scared, more frightened.

And Jerry and we may use his name always said that giving speeches ranks above. It's the thing people are the scaredest about because they're to get up in front of people, even my wife get up and go just know, write something that you can't wait to tell him. We'd be you know, have moments, you know, but people get panic. Do you think Jerry's act, he says at a funeral, the guy speaking is worse off than the coffee. As far as that goes, death doesn't still stuck on. Scaredest, more scared, more frightened, Yes, more scared, more frightened.

That those are two words that exist in the Scaredest is someone who you know, like racist scaredest, They like, yeah, scared.

That those are two words that exist in the Scaredest is someone who you know, like racist scaredest, They like, yeah, scared.

I make my point of memorable. One of the things you do is memorable.

I make my point of memorable. One of the things you do is memorable.

Be memorable relief because I got to spend lovely time with her on our show together when I was learning all about comedy and television and you were just.

Be memorable relief because I got to spend lovely time with her on our show together when I was learning all about comedy and television and you were just.

God, come on, come on.

God, come on, come on.

That was I have to say, I don't know anybody else's experience. I had a great time while we were doing the show I did. I was always grateful, and did anybody. I don't know if you checked everybody, but I have grown more fond of it in distance, you know, I guess because when you're doing once it's hit you kind of went, oh, yeah, I'm on a big TV show, what's next?

That was I have to say, I don't know anybody else's experience. I had a great time while we were doing the show I did. I was always grateful, and did anybody. I don't know if you checked everybody, but I have grown more fond of it in distance, you know, I guess because when you're doing once it's hit you kind of went, oh, yeah, I'm on a big TV show, what's next?

What's next? And in retrospect, you look back and go, what's next.

What's next? And in retrospect, you look back and go, what's next.

Most people don't get that, you know, for God's sake exactly to just sit and go with I always say, you know, any any project is an arranged marriage. You don't know what you're who you're getting. I don't know anything. And I loved the people, love the material, love the characters. Yeah, it was just it was the whole thing was really a blessing. And though I was aware of it, I think I'm you know, exponentially more aware of You.

Most people don't get that, you know, for God's sake exactly to just sit and go with I always say, you know, any any project is an arranged marriage. You don't know what you're who you're getting. I don't know anything. And I loved the people, love the material, love the characters. Yeah, it was just it was the whole thing was really a blessing. And though I was aware of it, I think I'm you know, exponentially more aware of You.

Know, the thing I always say about the show is you guys individually I mean amazing, but put together it was like lightning in a.

Know, the thing I always say about the show is you guys individually I mean amazing, but put together it was like lightning in a.

Bottle and it just all worked.

Bottle and it just all worked.

And in talking about what a great place to work it was, I mean, also, don't you think the tone that Larry David and Jerry Seinfeld said it kind of you know, the think you know, the fish stinks from the top down, like when it's good guys at the top. You know, the love that they spread, the crew, everybody loved everybody.

And in talking about what a great place to work it was, I mean, also, don't you think the tone that Larry David and Jerry Seinfeld said it kind of you know, the think you know, the fish stinks from the top down, like when it's good guys at the top. You know, the love that they spread, the crew, everybody loved everybody.

And also the you know, well Jerry talks about this about writing stand up and I'm sure you can speak.

And also the you know, well Jerry talks about this about writing stand up and I'm sure you can speak.

To this as well.

To this as well.

It's how much do you care how much are you going to put into it? And I remember, I mean, Jerry told a great story recently about when they came up with the ending for the Marine Biologist, and he talks about it in praise of me learning the monologue, which was, you know, that's just a card trick. But what I tell the story about is they had an ending that we were all very excited about during the week, and then we got it in front of the audience and it didn't quite.

It's how much do you care how much are you going to put into it? And I remember, I mean, Jerry told a great story recently about when they came up with the ending for the Marine Biologist, and he talks about it in praise of me learning the monologue, which was, you know, that's just a card trick. But what I tell the story about is they had an ending that we were all very excited about during the week, and then we got it in front of the audience and it didn't quite.

Get the reaction. You remember what it was.

Get the reaction. You remember what it was.

I don't. I wasn't because I wasn't in it. My storyline stopped when I walked out into the ocean.

I don't. I wasn't because I wasn't in it. My storyline stopped when I walked out into the ocean.

That's so funny.

That's so funny.

But I think it was a coffee shop scene and I don't remember what storyline we were tying up, and it wasn't mine. Yeah, and they did the scene in front of the audience and it got a fine reaction, but they just went and I remember the you guys all circle the wagons, the circle of wagons of writers, And fifteen minutes later Larry comes over and goes, how FSK can you learn them all? But I always go to have that idea in their back pocket. Yes, work it out while the audience is sitting there and not we were a hit show at this point.

But I think it was a coffee shop scene and I don't remember what storyline we were tying up, and it wasn't mine. Yeah, and they did the scene in front of the audience and it got a fine reaction, but they just went and I remember the you guys all circle the wagons, the circle of wagons of writers, And fifteen minutes later Larry comes over and goes, how FSK can you learn them all? But I always go to have that idea in their back pocket. Yes, work it out while the audience is sitting there and not we were a hit show at this point.

They could have let it go.

They could have let it go.

Let it go on that note, because I'm thinking back, there was a scene with the ugly people in the restaurant, yes, and they needed a line, Kerb and Larry needed a line, and your line was right.

Let it go on that note, because I'm thinking back, there was a scene with the ugly people in the restaurant, yes, and they needed a line, Kerb and Larry needed a line, and your line was right.

He needed a line when he saw the ugly people as he was walking through. So I gave him what happened here.

He needed a line when he saw the ugly people as he was walking through. So I gave him what happened here.

But that's that kind of thing where you're stay there embedded in my brain. But that's the writing. That's when people say, what.

But that's that kind of thing where you're stay there embedded in my brain. But that's the writing. That's when people say, what.

Is it the writing?

Is it the writing?

But and again another compliment for care, it's writing for the guy you're writing for. I mean, in and of itself, it's a smart line, but it's not as my home run.

But and again another compliment for care, it's writing for the guy you're writing for. I mean, in and of itself, it's a smart line, but it's not as my home run.

I mean that jumped out because I remember writing for shows. I wrote for a lot of sitcoms of Earth, and I hated it more than anything. I hate sitting in writer's rooms trying to guess what's in the executive prinster's head. And I'd watch it on t VINGO. It's not that funny, right right. I hated the writer's rooms. But your experience on Curb and also with Seinfold was pitching big idea. It was a big idea show rather than a whole story with a bit whatever. Did you have to pitch ABC and D story like stories for each each of them, how they intersected or did you just go in and say, nail saloon. She can't understand what they're saying, so she hires somebody to interpret. Well.

I mean that jumped out because I remember writing for shows. I wrote for a lot of sitcoms of Earth, and I hated it more than anything. I hate sitting in writer's rooms trying to guess what's in the executive prinster's head. And I'd watch it on t VINGO. It's not that funny, right right. I hated the writer's rooms. But your experience on Curb and also with Seinfold was pitching big idea. It was a big idea show rather than a whole story with a bit whatever. Did you have to pitch ABC and D story like stories for each each of them, how they intersected or did you just go in and say, nail saloon. She can't understand what they're saying, so she hires somebody to interpret. Well.

It was an interesting process at Seinfeld on NBC, by the way, like unlike a lot of other shows where there's a group writing room, it was one on one. You'd have an idea, you'd go in with a few ideas because time with Larry and Jerry in their office that they shared was rare. So you'd go in and you'd sit on the couch and they would sit at their desk and you would pitch the idea. But knowing, you know, and a bunch of the ideas, you know, you always knew when Larry didn't like it, because it'd be like the look on his face and he'd move his shoulder and he'd be like, I don't know. You know, you could see that on another show that was like the worst. But but like I remember it like it was yesterday when I pitched George brings a deaf woman to a party with him to find out why his girlfriend broke up with him.

It was an interesting process at Seinfeld on NBC, by the way, like unlike a lot of other shows where there's a group writing room, it was one on one. You'd have an idea, you'd go in with a few ideas because time with Larry and Jerry in their office that they shared was rare. So you'd go in and you'd sit on the couch and they would sit at their desk and you would pitch the idea. But knowing, you know, and a bunch of the ideas, you know, you always knew when Larry didn't like it, because it'd be like the look on his face and he'd move his shoulder and he'd be like, I don't know. You know, you could see that on another show that was like the worst. But but like I remember it like it was yesterday when I pitched George brings a deaf woman to a party with him to find out why his girlfriend broke up with him.

You know, Larry would shoot up from his chair. Yeah we're doing that. Yeah, we're doing that.

You know, Larry would shoot up from his chair. Yeah we're doing that. Yeah, we're doing that.

You know.

You know.

So you started to get an idea of what kind of things they were going to respond to and what things.

So you started to get an idea of what kind of things they were going to respond to and what things.

So once he said you were doing that, then you got sent off and do a drift.

So once he said you were doing that, then you got sent off and do a drift.

Well that was your story, and then it was Jerry. Remember it was all about the lines woman, Marley Matten Marley, So then that became Jerry's story with her with Marley Mattlin, with the lip reading and mistaking, sweep I need to sweep up with sleep with somebody, So that became that story. A Laine's story, Oh that was with another. You know, they always loved personal ideas, so at that before I joined the show, I was a comic full time, and you know, I'd have these flights at like five in the morning and a car service guy would pick me up and he'd be like chatty Kathy at five am, you know, like on and on, and sometimes I wished, like I could tell them I was deaf so they would shut the So I pitched that story for Elane that she pretends that she's deaf cause she doesn't want to talk to the car service guy. And then the story for Kramer Jason. As you know, the stories we could come up with for Michael Richards were always well, if we have a tennis setting, well Kramer should be a.

Well that was your story, and then it was Jerry. Remember it was all about the lines woman, Marley Matten Marley, So then that became Jerry's story with her with Marley Mattlin, with the lip reading and mistaking, sweep I need to sweep up with sleep with somebody, So that became that story. A Laine's story, Oh that was with another. You know, they always loved personal ideas, so at that before I joined the show, I was a comic full time, and you know, I'd have these flights at like five in the morning and a car service guy would pick me up and he'd be like chatty Kathy at five am, you know, like on and on, and sometimes I wished, like I could tell them I was deaf so they would shut the So I pitched that story for Elane that she pretends that she's deaf cause she doesn't want to talk to the car service guy. And then the story for Kramer Jason. As you know, the stories we could come up with for Michael Richards were always well, if we have a tennis setting, well Kramer should be a.

Ball man at the US Open.

Ball man at the US Open.

You know, he was easy to come up with ideas far because he was so.

You know, he was easy to come up with ideas far because he was so.

Physical and it was like you knew that would be a home run.

Physical and it was like you knew that would be a home run.

So you had to go back to your office, figure out the other three stories, go back to them and say what do you think of these other stories, and then go and write your draft. And then the beauty of Seinfeld was you know, normally writers we hate being rewritten and you know, get surly about it. You'd wait outside the door to see what their draft was because as a writer, I love to see what they kept of my draft and then what they changed or added, because and I learned so much from that because the draft would always be that much better, you know, elevated to another degree. So it was really a great education for me. And you know, learning I think from the masters.

So you had to go back to your office, figure out the other three stories, go back to them and say what do you think of these other stories, and then go and write your draft. And then the beauty of Seinfeld was you know, normally writers we hate being rewritten and you know, get surly about it. You'd wait outside the door to see what their draft was because as a writer, I love to see what they kept of my draft and then what they changed or added, because and I learned so much from that because the draft would always be that much better, you know, elevated to another degree. So it was really a great education for me. And you know, learning I think from the masters.

So you were one of the funniest people I know, and it's hard to do what you do. The Oscars are a hard thing because it's a you got to figure out, especially Lissia with Conan and the politics are going on, and you're you're walking a tightrope and you have to know his personality. You have to know culturally what's going on. You have to know what's going to resonate with a big audience. Yeah, and then you're watching the whole show to see what moments are happening that you can then mention.

So you were one of the funniest people I know, and it's hard to do what you do. The Oscars are a hard thing because it's a you got to figure out, especially Lissia with Conan and the politics are going on, and you're you're walking a tightrope and you have to know his personality. You have to know culturally what's going on. You have to know what's going to resonate with a big audience. Yeah, and then you're watching the whole show to see what moments are happening that you can then mention.

Right, Well, here's the thing.

Right, Well, here's the thing.

When I write on the Oscars, sometimes I'm on the host team and sometimes on the on the show team, where you write.

When I write on the Oscars, sometimes I'm on the host team and sometimes on the on the show team, where you write.

For the presenters.

For the presenters.

So Conan brought in I think it's mostly, if not all, the writers from his show that he has a comfort with and ease with. And I was on the show team, so we write, you know, the team rights for the presenters. But what I think was masterful about Conan was not only were the jokes brilliant, but in the moment he was amazing and having uh, you know, this stable of incredible comedy writers there was perfect. And the story that I'm telling about the Oscars a lot is I know Conan, and so before the show I went up to wish him good luck and he said he looked great, relaxed, and he said, you know what, I'm just going to go out and have fun. And you know, God damn it, that's what he did, which is amazing. Yeah, because I've seen the look of fear of other hosts before they go out, you know, and that's what it's all about.

So Conan brought in I think it's mostly, if not all, the writers from his show that he has a comfort with and ease with. And I was on the show team, so we write, you know, the team rights for the presenters. But what I think was masterful about Conan was not only were the jokes brilliant, but in the moment he was amazing and having uh, you know, this stable of incredible comedy writers there was perfect. And the story that I'm telling about the Oscars a lot is I know Conan, and so before the show I went up to wish him good luck and he said he looked great, relaxed, and he said, you know what, I'm just going to go out and have fun. And you know, God damn it, that's what he did, which is amazing. Yeah, because I've seen the look of fear of other hosts before they go out, you know, and that's what it's all about.

Go out and have fun.

Go out and have fun.

And Jerry, Jerry Seinfeld did a benefit for us Jason and asked him and he did a wonderful benefit. It was him as Ray Ramono. Jason did some stand up and Jerry and you would know this. Jerry's about to go out stage and I go nervous and he looked at me like I had a third off. He went like, you're an idiot, Like why would I be Why would I be nervous? He couldn't wait to go do it is like zero nerves. You just can't. It's like this is what I do. There's no nerve.

And Jerry, Jerry Seinfeld did a benefit for us Jason and asked him and he did a wonderful benefit. It was him as Ray Ramono. Jason did some stand up and Jerry and you would know this. Jerry's about to go out stage and I go nervous and he looked at me like I had a third off. He went like, you're an idiot, Like why would I be Why would I be nervous? He couldn't wait to go do it is like zero nerves. You just can't. It's like this is what I do. There's no nerve.

That's I think he's the exception to that because and we talk about it in my speech book, which I know we'll get to. But I get I get anxious, I get nervous before I perform always and that you know, people, I'm not afraid of my nervousness because, as you know Jason also as a performer, it gives you a certain amount of energy that's good to bring out on stage with you. So you know, Jerry is his own performer and person in many ways. And yeah, he sure does look forward to it. But I think what people don't necessarily realize about him is he might not be nervous because he works so hard on his act all day writing that he goes out there prepared. He's not just winging it, and I think that gives him probably a sense.

That's I think he's the exception to that because and we talk about it in my speech book, which I know we'll get to. But I get I get anxious, I get nervous before I perform always and that you know, people, I'm not afraid of my nervousness because, as you know Jason also as a performer, it gives you a certain amount of energy that's good to bring out on stage with you. So you know, Jerry is his own performer and person in many ways. And yeah, he sure does look forward to it. But I think what people don't necessarily realize about him is he might not be nervous because he works so hard on his act all day writing that he goes out there prepared. He's not just winging it, and I think that gives him probably a sense.

Of comment and he's got you know, forty years of backup acky.

Of comment and he's got you know, forty years of backup acky.

But then I think he was confident, you know, doing what he was doing.

But then I think he was confident, you know, doing what he was doing.

Yeah, because I first started at the Comic Strip, he was the MC. I was the open mic nighter that I went to with Paul Reiser. But he was already a star at the comic Strip. He'd only been doing it a year, but he was like the big man on campus. So even when I met him as someone just starting out in the business, he was already a big mocker.

Yeah, because I first started at the Comic Strip, he was the MC. I was the open mic nighter that I went to with Paul Reiser. But he was already a star at the comic Strip. He'd only been doing it a year, but he was like the big man on campus. So even when I met him as someone just starting out in the business, he was already a big mocker.

As our people.

As our people.

Yes, as we say, yes, all right, I watched this segment.

Yes, as we say, yes, all right, I watched this segment.

So, uh, you've written this book which I'm going to hold up how to write a funny speech for a wedding but mits for graduation and every other event he didn't want to go to in.

So, uh, you've written this book which I'm going to hold up how to write a funny speech for a wedding but mits for graduation and every other event he didn't want to go to in.

The first place.

The first place.

And I want to ask you about writing this book, okay, and why you.

And I want to ask you about writing this book, okay, and why you.

Thought to write this book.

Thought to write this book.

But before I do that, yes, writing, So I do remember you because I'm old enough. I remember when you started making the scene, especially on television as as a stand up comedy. Yes, yes, and I now, of course stand up comedy is writing. But but to me, stand up come comedians want to be performers.

But before I do that, yes, writing, So I do remember you because I'm old enough. I remember when you started making the scene, especially on television as as a stand up comedy. Yes, yes, and I now, of course stand up comedy is writing. But but to me, stand up come comedians want to be performers.

There.

There.

I think most stand up comments that I know think of themselves primarily as performers that.

I think most stand up comments that I know think of themselves primarily as performers that.

We need a lot of attention.

We need a lot of attention.

Yes, but arguably.

Yes, but arguably.

I think at this point the bigger part of your professional life has been as a writer.

I think at this point the bigger part of your professional life has been as a writer.

Yes, did you know that was where you were heading? Were you happy that's where it went to? Was it? Did it shock you or did you go no? This? I know this was part of the plan.

Yes, did you know that was where you were heading? Were you happy that's where it went to? Was it? Did it shock you or did you go no? This? I know this was part of the plan.

Well, I'll take you back to a story about my dad, who was a big influence on me and wanted to go into stand up. I was doing stand up and then there was audition for Saturday Night Live for new performers at the Comic Strip and I went on. I had a good set, and Al Franken was there as a producer and the head writer Jim Downey, And when I came off stage, they said, we really enjoyed you. Would you like to be a writer on the show. So of course, you know, I was so excited at the possibility. And I went back to my dad and I said, they've offered me a writing jump, but you know, I love to perform.

Well, I'll take you back to a story about my dad, who was a big influence on me and wanted to go into stand up. I was doing stand up and then there was audition for Saturday Night Live for new performers at the Comic Strip and I went on. I had a good set, and Al Franken was there as a producer and the head writer Jim Downey, And when I came off stage, they said, we really enjoyed you. Would you like to be a writer on the show. So of course, you know, I was so excited at the possibility. And I went back to my dad and I said, they've offered me a writing jump, but you know, I love to perform.

And I want to be a stand up. My dad was like, you.

And I want to be a stand up. My dad was like, you.

Know what, Carol, in any career, you got to diversify. So if I were you, I would take no questions asked jump at this writing job.

Know what, Carol, in any career, you got to diversify. So if I were you, I would take no questions asked jump at this writing job.

And I did.

And I did.

I followed his advice and I did see that. Hm, I do like this writing too. And what's been great about it over the years is stand up is amazing.

I followed his advice and I did see that. Hm, I do like this writing too. And what's been great about it over the years is stand up is amazing.

I still do it.

I still do it.

I was just performing this weekend at wolf Trap. I mean, I love it. But the great thing about writing is anna is a lonely profession. You're traveling by yourself, without an agent and a manager. You're in the podunk this you're in this town and once I was in a writer's room with other writers. I loved it. I felt like I'm home. I'm with every funniest person that I've ever known, and how great is this? And also it's a profession where you don't have to travel, and especially now being married having a kid, that was the saving grace to.

I was just performing this weekend at wolf Trap. I mean, I love it. But the great thing about writing is anna is a lonely profession. You're traveling by yourself, without an agent and a manager. You're in the podunk this you're in this town and once I was in a writer's room with other writers. I loved it. I felt like I'm home. I'm with every funniest person that I've ever known, and how great is this? And also it's a profession where you don't have to travel, and especially now being married having a kid, that was the saving grace to.

Menstly, that was tough for you because from what I understand, Frank brought you in, but Lauren Michaels never gave his blessing. It was not he never accepted you what he did.

Menstly, that was tough for you because from what I understand, Frank brought you in, but Lauren Michaels never gave his blessing. It was not he never accepted you what he did.

I love this story because, from what I.

I love this story because, from what I.

Understand, prank of Bart you in, but Lauren Michaels never gave his bless It was not he never accepted you or he did.

Understand, prank of Bart you in, but Lauren Michaels never gave his bless It was not he never accepted you or he did.

I love this story because you know people like, oh, you wrote for refn L.

I love this story because you know people like, oh, you wrote for refn L.

Do you have your meeting with Lauren to make it official?

Do you have your meeting with Lauren to make it official?

So I got dressed up and I thought, you know, I'll be in there for an hour and I have every answer ready. It was literally the meeting was they were still auditioning performers for the season. He walks outside the door. He says, al and Jim, tell me that you're really good. You do know that the show you're going to have to stay late many nights, Tuesday nights, most writers stay over. I say, yeah, no, that's mine. I went okay, and I was hired.

So I got dressed up and I thought, you know, I'll be in there for an hour and I have every answer ready. It was literally the meeting was they were still auditioning performers for the season. He walks outside the door. He says, al and Jim, tell me that you're really good. You do know that the show you're going to have to stay late many nights, Tuesday nights, most writers stay over. I say, yeah, no, that's mine. I went okay, and I was hired.

So that my meeting was about a minute.

So that my meeting was about a minute.

But when I got there, Lauren had a bit of a club.

But when I got there, Lauren had a bit of a club.

I think a lot of people who run a show, you know, the people that they avitate too. And I wasn't part of the club, so I always felt kind of on the outs that way. But as a young writer or a young person my inexperience, as I've learned over the years, I kind of like accepted it and kind of flew under his radar. Now doing this for forty years, I would have done it differently.

I think a lot of people who run a show, you know, the people that they avitate too. And I wasn't part of the club, so I always felt kind of on the outs that way. But as a young writer or a young person my inexperience, as I've learned over the years, I kind of like accepted it and kind of flew under his radar. Now doing this for forty years, I would have done it differently.

You know, if someone doesn't.

You know, if someone doesn't.

Take to you right away, I would have tried harder for him to like me, you know, engaged him more, made more of a college try to work it out instead of like, well, I'll side step him, because that's that's what you need to do at a job.

Take to you right away, I would have tried harder for him to like me, you know, engaged him more, made more of a college try to work it out instead of like, well, I'll side step him, because that's that's what you need to do at a job.

Your boss needs to like you a lot.

Your boss needs to like you a lot.

You know. Jim Downey and Al Franken were you know, second level and they liked me great. But he has a thing plaque on his desk. You know, the captain's word is law and it sure has served him well over the years. But know he's the big number.

You know. Jim Downey and Al Franken were you know, second level and they liked me great. But he has a thing plaque on his desk. You know, the captain's word is law and it sure has served him well over the years. But know he's the big number.

One of the writers said that you go in and you just make sure you put two things together because you can't create the volume that you have to come up with ideas. So he goes, uh, the submarine loaga maker. You know, you're just you're throwing and they go do it and you go, I have no idea what that is? And I got to go back.

One of the writers said that you go in and you just make sure you put two things together because you can't create the volume that you have to come up with ideas. So he goes, uh, the submarine loaga maker. You know, you're just you're throwing and they go do it and you go, I have no idea what that is? And I got to go back.

Is that accurate?

Is that accurate?

Yes, Because the way the show works is Monday, the host come in, comes in. They you all go to Lauren's office. The host is sitting in kind of a chair of prominence, and then talk about pressure.

Yes, Because the way the show works is Monday, the host come in, comes in. They you all go to Lauren's office. The host is sitting in kind of a chair of prominence, and then talk about pressure.

Uh.

Uh.

They go around the room in Lauren's office. I remember, what are you thinking about? What kind of sketter you thinking of doing this week? And Yeah, a lot of times you make something up because you know nobody's going to remember it never happened, but you got to be prepared for something.

They go around the room in Lauren's office. I remember, what are you thinking about? What kind of sketter you thinking of doing this week? And Yeah, a lot of times you make something up because you know nobody's going to remember it never happened, but you got to be prepared for something.

You hosted the.

You hosted the.

Show I hosted one time when I can't remember the year, I can tell you who was there. It was Mike Meyer, Rob Schneider, Sandler, Chris rock was there.

Show I hosted one time when I can't remember the year, I can tell you who was there. It was Mike Meyer, Rob Schneider, Sandler, Chris rock was there.

I was so on my heels that whole week because exactly that.

I was so on my heels that whole week because exactly that.

I come, Man, these are the writers of Usnel and they're go, what do you think about a thing? And I'm going it sounds is there a can I read it? I don't have it yet. Okay, Yeah, that could be funny. You know, anything could be funny.

I come, Man, these are the writers of Usnel and they're go, what do you think about a thing? And I'm going it sounds is there a can I read it? I don't have it yet. Okay, Yeah, that could be funny. You know, anything could be funny.

Yeah.

Yeah.

My memory was Tuesday went by. I think I did photographs on Tuesday. That was the big contribution.

My memory was Tuesday went by. I think I did photographs on Tuesday. That was the big contribution.

Wait, let me back to it. Monday night, did Lauren take you out to dinner?

Wait, let me back to it. Monday night, did Lauren take you out to dinner?

No? I didn't get a dinner. I never got a dinner, red button.

No? I didn't get a dinner. I never got a dinner, red button.

It didn't end well with me and Lauren. I think probably Tuesday. Nothing happened. Wednesday around five o'clock a stack of like one hundred sketches shows us. Some of them have been on the stack for seasons already, because I remember there was one about the adventures to take off on Dobey Gillis. It was called the Adventures of Pubie Gillis about his pubacare showed out of the top of his fans and the minute they went, oh my god, Phubie Gillis is back. And you read every one of these scripts and then Lauren took me into his office and said, so, what do you like? And I went, oh, I remember I thought, I thought the Mafia thing was funny, all right?

It didn't end well with me and Lauren. I think probably Tuesday. Nothing happened. Wednesday around five o'clock a stack of like one hundred sketches shows us. Some of them have been on the stack for seasons already, because I remember there was one about the adventures to take off on Dobey Gillis. It was called the Adventures of Pubie Gillis about his pubacare showed out of the top of his fans and the minute they went, oh my god, Phubie Gillis is back. And you read every one of these scripts and then Lauren took me into his office and said, so, what do you like? And I went, oh, I remember I thought, I thought the Mafia thing was funny, all right?

What else? I thought the Masterpiece Theater thing was fun okay? Well?

What else? I thought the Masterpiece Theater thing was fun okay? Well?

And I went, are you just asking my opinion? Am I picking of the show? I didn't know what was because everything I said we wound up. I mean the ones that I said we wound up at least going to rehearsal with Thursday. There's a bunch of sets, but two. There's twelve sketches, but there's two sets. They go, we'll rehearse the two. We'll rehearse those two. And then I said, well, we could rehearse all of them. I mean, we don't have to have a set. It's just a chair, you know. And Lauren said, you're from the theater, you know how to do this. We rehearsed in the theater a lot. We spent a lot of time rehearsing. And his line to me to calm me down was I promise, by the time we go to air, you'll have done everything at least twice. It did not come mew Friday. The other sets were there. We rehearsed everything once and then I remember there was some makeup stuff and Saturday, next thing I know, we're in dress and then things changed after Anyway, we go to the reason why I think I may have blown it with Lauren is we go to the after party. He says that did you have a good time? I said I did, But you know I can I just say, I think you're making this harder than it has to be.

And I went, are you just asking my opinion? Am I picking of the show? I didn't know what was because everything I said we wound up. I mean the ones that I said we wound up at least going to rehearsal with Thursday. There's a bunch of sets, but two. There's twelve sketches, but there's two sets. They go, we'll rehearse the two. We'll rehearse those two. And then I said, well, we could rehearse all of them. I mean, we don't have to have a set. It's just a chair, you know. And Lauren said, you're from the theater, you know how to do this. We rehearsed in the theater a lot. We spent a lot of time rehearsing. And his line to me to calm me down was I promise, by the time we go to air, you'll have done everything at least twice. It did not come mew Friday. The other sets were there. We rehearsed everything once and then I remember there was some makeup stuff and Saturday, next thing I know, we're in dress and then things changed after Anyway, we go to the reason why I think I may have blown it with Lauren is we go to the after party. He says that did you have a good time? I said I did, But you know I can I just say, I think you're making this harder than it has to be.

Buy good night, nurse. That was my time. Yeah.

Buy good night, nurse. That was my time. Yeah.

Yeah, I was trying to be helpful because I just thought, you know, if you have an actor that is at least from a comedy or a theater background, huh, you don't have to wait till Friday to rehearse. We might find something funny. Yeah, if we rehearse it once.

Yeah, I was trying to be helpful because I just thought, you know, if you have an actor that is at least from a comedy or a theater background, huh, you don't have to wait till Friday to rehearse. We might find something funny. Yeah, if we rehearse it once.

Well, you know, the system is the system that's been going on fifty years. Yeah, I think for actors, yeah, it is. You got to be prepared for that week ruling.

Well, you know, the system is the system that's been going on fifty years. Yeah, I think for actors, yeah, it is. You got to be prepared for that week ruling.

Yeah, it's crazy.

Yeah, it's crazy.

You know.

You know.

I always kind of get a little upset when SNLU doesn't get the Emmy because as opposed to one show, you know, one special, because.

I always kind of get a little upset when SNLU doesn't get the Emmy because as opposed to one show, you know, one special, because.

Week after week you have to do all the.

Week after week you have to do all the.

Volume of it.

Volume of it.

I mean, there's gonna be some clunkers and they'll cop to that. But look at you know how much they produce.

I mean, there's gonna be some clunkers and they'll cop to that. But look at you know how much they produce.

Oh isn't sane? Yeah, So so that sounds like the craziest grind in the world.

Oh isn't sane? Yeah, So so that sounds like the craziest grind in the world.

I know, the Seinfeld grin. I'm going to come back to the book in one second. But and I don't mean to be stupid, because God knows, I've done Curb.

I know, the Seinfeld grin. I'm going to come back to the book in one second. But and I don't mean to be stupid, because God knows, I've done Curb.

But when you write for Curb, yeah, what are you writing?

But when you write for Curb, yeah, what are you writing?

Is it coming up with the story of yes, and because I mean I remember my Curb script when I first before the Seinfelder, right, it was about nine pages of and then and then this kind of happens, and this kind of happens, and this kind of happened.

Is it coming up with the story of yes, and because I mean I remember my Curb script when I first before the Seinfelder, right, it was about nine pages of and then and then this kind of happens, and this kind of happens, and this kind of happened.

Right, So what was what is that?

Right, So what was what is that?

It's a very different process there.

It's a very different process there.

But again, you go in at the start of the season and you pitch ideas to Larry David and Jeff Schaeffer, who we both know as a former writer of Seinfeld, and the same thing.

But again, you go in at the start of the season and you pitch ideas to Larry David and Jeff Schaeffer, who we both know as a former writer of Seinfeld, and the same thing.

I would go in with a lot of stuff.

I would go in with a lot of stuff.

So certain ideas, like the first idea I pitched for Kerb was when a comedian is out with regular people and the comedian says something funny and the regular person says, but umpum, this is so infuriating to anybody funny you want to strangle that person, strangle them. So I knew the first one in. I was so happy. Larry loved it. You know, we got to use that somewhere. So it became something when I think they go to sell a show to Hulu and they're bantering with the receptionists and they say something funny and she goes, oh, but umpum.

So certain ideas, like the first idea I pitched for Kerb was when a comedian is out with regular people and the comedian says something funny and the regular person says, but umpum, this is so infuriating to anybody funny you want to strangle that person, strangle them. So I knew the first one in. I was so happy. Larry loved it. You know, we got to use that somewhere. So it became something when I think they go to sell a show to Hulu and they're bantering with the receptionists and they say something funny and she goes, oh, but umpum.

So there is little things like that.

So there is little things like that.

Also, a thing that I pitched was I hate when you go to a meeting, usually in show business, and you pitch an idea and the executive says, you know, I don't love it. You know, do they say I don't like it? No, you know, so you didn't like it. You know.

Also, a thing that I pitched was I hate when you go to a meeting, usually in show business, and you pitch an idea and the executive says, you know, I don't love it. You know, do they say I don't like it? No, you know, so you didn't like it. You know.

It's always taking.

It's always taking.

Things the next step, but you know, I don't love it. Became something that Larry really was smarted to. So there are always things like that. But then the bigger ideas, Oh god, there's so many show business related ones. I told them how I had just been at a meeting at NBC and they have the fruit bowl in the middle of the table, and of course the thought becomes what you do what is acted out on curb.

Things the next step, but you know, I don't love it. Became something that Larry really was smarted to. So there are always things like that. But then the bigger ideas, Oh god, there's so many show business related ones. I told them how I had just been at a meeting at NBC and they have the fruit bowl in the middle of the table, and of course the thought becomes what you do what is acted out on curb.

And I said to Larry and Jeff, I always thought.

And I said to Larry and Jeff, I always thought.

If I picked up an apple from that crupal and I started eating it, how it's seeing weird?

If I picked up an apple from that crupal and I started eating it, how it's seeing weird?

Would that be when I've done throwing.

Would that be when I've done throwing.

It in the office trash can? And that became.

It in the office trash can? And that became.

Artificial fruit that episode. So you pitch the ideas, you know, other things like so we self serving, you know ideas from back from Seinfeld. You know things that are shameless things you do for selfish purposes. I had an Audi. I took it to the dealership and van Nie and I would go and they had a nice spread there, you know, nice coffee machine, and they had those little bunt cakes from nothing bun capes, and you know, I have one of these bunkcakes, like this is delicious. So every time I was in the valley and I passed the Audi, I'd bring the car in and be like I hear a little ping, here's something, and I'd go, I'd have my coffee.

Artificial fruit that episode. So you pitch the ideas, you know, other things like so we self serving, you know ideas from back from Seinfeld. You know things that are shameless things you do for selfish purposes. I had an Audi. I took it to the dealership and van Nie and I would go and they had a nice spread there, you know, nice coffee machine, and they had those little bunt cakes from nothing bun capes, and you know, I have one of these bunkcakes, like this is delicious. So every time I was in the valley and I passed the Audi, I'd bring the car in and be like I hear a little ping, here's something, and I'd go, I'd have my coffee.

I have nothing bunk And then we use that in curve.

I have nothing bunk And then we use that in curve.

But Larry changed it to licorice that the car dealer has greatly bush.

But Larry changed it to licorice that the car dealer has greatly bush.

So you'd pitch the ideas.

So you'd pitch the ideas.

He would tell you the ones he liked the big idea or the funny things to say, and then he and Jeff would go off and come up with an outline, usually about ten pages, pretty much of what happens in every scene and a line here and there. But also there's a masterclass and improv with these actors that they can just take this stuff and go with it. And then when he would bring the writers in was when we would shoot it, so you were there for the entire shoot. You'd be on set, like with the I need a line.

He would tell you the ones he liked the big idea or the funny things to say, and then he and Jeff would go off and come up with an outline, usually about ten pages, pretty much of what happens in every scene and a line here and there. But also there's a masterclass and improv with these actors that they can just take this stuff and go with it. And then when he would bring the writers in was when we would shoot it, so you were there for the entire shoot. You'd be on set, like with the I need a line.

When I come out, they're waiting to see what's not working that they can wow.

When I come out, they're waiting to see what's not working that they can wow.

Yeah, So it's being you know because as you know, then the action happens on set and some things go off where you don't think they're going to go off, and how many things hit that you don't even expect to hit. Yeah, So it's a very different process than other shows.

Yeah, So it's being you know because as you know, then the action happens on set and some things go off where you don't think they're going to go off, and how many things hit that you don't even expect to hit. Yeah, So it's a very different process than other shows.

That way a lot of pressure because you're doing it in real time. It's like we got a couple of minutes here, finish the scene. I need a fun of your line, somebody.

That way a lot of pressure because you're doing it in real time. It's like we got a couple of minutes here, finish the scene. I need a fun of your line, somebody.

Well, he had a good stable.

Well, he had a good stable.

I needed I needed you, I needed your book because there was I will say before I ask you.

I needed I needed you, I needed your book because there was I will say before I ask you.

More about this.

More about this.

The greatest joy for me on Curb is all the years unsidable, I guess because Larry was, you know, writing a lot of it.

The greatest joy for me on Curb is all the years unsidable, I guess because Larry was, you know, writing a lot of it.

I can make Larry laugh, but you know not how I mean.

I can make Larry laugh, but you know not how I mean.

He enjoyed what I was doing. He knew what it was going to be. He was writing for me.

He enjoyed what I was doing. He knew what it was going to be. He was writing for me.

At that point.

At that point.

Uh huh.

Uh huh.

We got the Curb, and the first episode that I did of Curb outside of the arc was he and I were going to work on a pilot together. He was going to create a pilot for me. Let's take a meeting. But he lives in the.

We got the Curb, and the first episode that I did of Curb outside of the arc was he and I were going to work on a pilot together. He was going to create a pilot for me. Let's take a meeting. But he lives in the.

Palisades and my office is a studio city. So we tossed the coin.

Palisades and my office is a studio city. So we tossed the coin.

He's gonna come to me first for the first meeting, and then I'll go to him for the second meeting. And the whole episode is about everything happens to him. He gets a flat tired and he shows up to my office four hours late. They say, well, clearly I can't have the meeting. So on the next one, you come to me in the Palisades and I go. But we but we didn't have the meeting we made, we said, he said, but I'm here.

He's gonna come to me first for the first meeting, and then I'll go to him for the second meeting. And the whole episode is about everything happens to him. He gets a flat tired and he shows up to my office four hours late. They say, well, clearly I can't have the meeting. So on the next one, you come to me in the Palisades and I go. But we but we didn't have the meeting we made, we said, he said, but I'm here.

I came and I said.

I came and I said.

You came four hours late to a meeting. We didn't have to tell me we can't have a meeting. Let's stick with the plan. Come here, we'll have a meeting. And well, he could not get through a scene with me. And he said, I've never been confronted with myself and it was such a joy. Yeah, to make him break. Yeah, he breaks in a lot of scenes.

You came four hours late to a meeting. We didn't have to tell me we can't have a meeting. Let's stick with the plan. Come here, we'll have a meeting. And well, he could not get through a scene with me. And he said, I've never been confronted with myself and it was such a joy. Yeah, to make him break. Yeah, he breaks in a lot of scenes.

Einstein, Bob Einstein would make him break a lot.

Einstein, Bob Einstein would make him break a lot.

So now I am here to tell you I have not read this book yet, So tell me the derivation.

So now I am here to tell you I have not read this book yet, So tell me the derivation.

How did this come to be?

How did this come to be?

Okay? And and that's easy?

Okay? And and that's easy?

Yeah, and and and if I buy it? And I won't because you're giving me this one? What's here? What am I looking?

Yeah, and and and if I buy it? And I won't because you're giving me this one? What's here? What am I looking?

Okay?

Okay?

So what happened was Rick Mitchell, who I co wrote this with, who's a comedy writer. He worked for six years on Alnja Generes's talk show, Emmy Winning.

So what happened was Rick Mitchell, who I co wrote this with, who's a comedy writer. He worked for six years on Alnja Generes's talk show, Emmy Winning.

I might add to.

I might add to.

Anybody with me, everybody but men.

Anybody with me, everybody but men.

We got together during the strike, met for lunch. I had just been to a wedding, saw a horrible speech by the father of the bride. He had been to an event where someone you know stank up the joint with his speech and we were sitting there going, you know a lot of people people don't know not only one oh one about speech making, but making it funny and having a good speech is really not that difficult. And if we can help people, you know, step by step the beginning of a speech, middle end. Uh, this will be a public service to people because we've all gone to events where someone has given a lousy speech and it's put a damper on everything. Or it was also taped, you know, with the advent of taping these things. Now with your phone you can't escape it. So that was the impetus for the book. And as you can see, it's not you know, the Encyclopedia Britannica. It's small, it's handy.

We got together during the strike, met for lunch. I had just been to a wedding, saw a horrible speech by the father of the bride. He had been to an event where someone you know stank up the joint with his speech and we were sitting there going, you know a lot of people people don't know not only one oh one about speech making, but making it funny and having a good speech is really not that difficult. And if we can help people, you know, step by step the beginning of a speech, middle end. Uh, this will be a public service to people because we've all gone to events where someone has given a lousy speech and it's put a damper on everything. Or it was also taped, you know, with the advent of taping these things. Now with your phone you can't escape it. So that was the impetus for the book. And as you can see, it's not you know, the Encyclopedia Britannica. It's small, it's handy.

Uh.

Uh.

We give you know, we have templates for if you're really lazy and you want to write a speech.

We give you know, we have templates for if you're really lazy and you want to write a speech.

We have like mad lips, fill in the blanks, and.

We have like mad lips, fill in the blanks, and.

We have jokes at the end that you know, if you are stuck on a joke for an event, steal our jokes that that's what they're there for, Go nutty. And it's really you know, it's number one now on Amazon and Public Speaking. How long, just two weeks and Carol Burnette.

We have jokes at the end that you know, if you are stuck on a joke for an event, steal our jokes that that's what they're there for, Go nutty. And it's really you know, it's number one now on Amazon and Public Speaking. How long, just two weeks and Carol Burnette.

As you'll notice, So.

As you'll notice, So.

It's been really going great because I feel like we're filling a void that hasn't been filled.

It's been really going great because I feel like we're filling a void that hasn't been filled.

You also addressed the AI think because everybody now is using chat eptine on the right speech, and you tried it. So it came out no, because it can't do humor. Got stuff wrong right.

You also addressed the AI think because everybody now is using chat eptine on the right speech, and you tried it. So it came out no, because it can't do humor. Got stuff wrong right.

Yes, a friend of mine, her daughter was getting married. I don't know her daughter, so I did what I do when I help people write a speech. We got together for it's a lot of meals for dinner, and I said to her, you know, let's tell me some stories, funny stories about your daughter, some heartfelt stories, and we'll put something together.

Yes, a friend of mine, her daughter was getting married. I don't know her daughter, so I did what I do when I help people write a speech. We got together for it's a lot of meals for dinner, and I said to her, you know, let's tell me some stories, funny stories about your daughter, some heartfelt stories, and we'll put something together.

It'll be easy.

It'll be easy.

And she talked about how when her daughter was little, she used to collect snails.

And she talked about how when her daughter was little, she used to collect snails.

In the garden. Uh.

In the garden. Uh.

And so we thought we'd put that in, you know, in the speech. And you know, the bunchline is like, yeah, boy, you know you laugh. But what I saved on Barbie's was amazing. So we put all these, all the bullet points that she gave me into Aiuh. The snail story became like as a daughter, she preferred the company of gastropods as opposed to people, gastropod I don't even know what that is. And Ai did it with every element made it not funny, and then also added things that weren't true, which the last thing you want to do, like what you know, people sitting there like that never happened.

And so we thought we'd put that in, you know, in the speech. And you know, the bunchline is like, yeah, boy, you know you laugh. But what I saved on Barbie's was amazing. So we put all these, all the bullet points that she gave me into Aiuh. The snail story became like as a daughter, she preferred the company of gastropods as opposed to people, gastropod I don't even know what that is. And Ai did it with every element made it not funny, and then also added things that weren't true, which the last thing you want to do, like what you know, people sitting there like that never happened.

Such a great speech, by the way, reading the AI speech at at an event that is wrong.

Such a great speech, by the way, reading the AI speech at at an event that is wrong.

You know, that's a great idea. Yes, you do your speech and then go here's what.

You know, that's a great idea. Yes, you do your speech and then go here's what.

I am here came up? Did you pay? Did the woman? So this is what you do for a living?

I am here came up? Did you pay? Did the woman? So this is what you do for a living?

Peter?

Peter?

That's really did she charge that? Take it? Take it? God bless you.

That's really did she charge that? Take it? Take it? God bless you.

Take my job.

Take my job.

Take my joke.

Take my joke.

Please take you my joke.

Please take you my joke.

Did the woman pay you? Or is it just meals? Because this is what you do for a living. That's a curb that people who are reaching out, how Carol will help you? Of course at three o'clock in the morning and.

Did the woman pay you? Or is it just meals? Because this is what you do for a living. That's a curb that people who are reaching out, how Carol will help you? Of course at three o'clock in the morning and.

Fred stolear episode with Banya right with I'm going to give you some material and give you a meal, and then it became just sup Yes.

Fred stolear episode with Banya right with I'm going to give you some material and give you a meal, and then it became just sup Yes.

Frank and told me when he was in the Senate that all the senators would call him and I need I'm talking to a rotary club, you got anything else?

Frank and told me when he was in the Senate that all the senators would call him and I need I'm talking to a rotary club, you got anything else?

Yeah, and he'd he'd be giving away material left and right. Right.

Yeah, and he'd he'd be giving away material left and right. Right.

So you do a lot of corporate stuff, right, And what do they think they're getting when they get you or did they tell you we want something about this? We sell computer parts, So can you write a whole chunk about computer parts?

So you do a lot of corporate stuff, right, And what do they think they're getting when they get you or did they tell you we want something about this? We sell computer parts, So can you write a whole chunk about computer parts?

Well, there are two kinds.

Well, there are two kinds.

They're either they know what my thing is going to be and I talk about being female, being in the comedy business for almost fifty years, which is kooki. So they know they're going to get my story and how it can relate in the bigger picture to anybody who's in business. And then sometimes they come to me with this quality about Joe and this guy in accounting does this blah blah blah, and they really eat it up because it's about them and it's the funny things about the people they work with. But that's a big point of our book. You know, the personal is the gold in any speech writing because you have the relationship with this person that nobody else has, So to really capitalize on that, because you're important enough in their life that they've asked you to do a speech, So to really think about those stories and those things about your relationship that'll set you apart from everybody. And we also have a section of you know, you can make it funny, it's not that hard, and we walk you through step by step of how you can do that.

They're either they know what my thing is going to be and I talk about being female, being in the comedy business for almost fifty years, which is kooki. So they know they're going to get my story and how it can relate in the bigger picture to anybody who's in business. And then sometimes they come to me with this quality about Joe and this guy in accounting does this blah blah blah, and they really eat it up because it's about them and it's the funny things about the people they work with. But that's a big point of our book. You know, the personal is the gold in any speech writing because you have the relationship with this person that nobody else has, So to really capitalize on that, because you're important enough in their life that they've asked you to do a speech, So to really think about those stories and those things about your relationship that'll set you apart from everybody. And we also have a section of you know, you can make it funny, it's not that hard, and we walk you through step by step of how you can do that.

But you know, I'm so, for instance, right now I'm going to do I'm going to EMC a thing for La Family Housing in the next month. And they said, could you do six minutes? I went, I'm not a stand up I don't have six minutes. Well, if there's something funny about building and housing, so I'm sitting down already talking about but.

But you know, I'm so, for instance, right now I'm going to do I'm going to EMC a thing for La Family Housing in the next month. And they said, could you do six minutes? I went, I'm not a stand up I don't have six minutes. Well, if there's something funny about building and housing, so I'm sitting down already talking about but.

You see, I don't, I don't.

You see, I don't, I don't.

So I'm yesterday I was doing a thing about a lot of building going on in Los Angeles, A lot of building.

So I'm yesterday I was doing a thing about a lot of building going on in Los Angeles, A lot of building.

I don't know what it is.

I don't know what it is.

Sixteen years lax, lax. We're going to have a people move. Disney got rid of the people moving. They only get sixty people we're gonna find. But I'm trying to come up with bits and now with this book. Please say yes, because would this book give me any insight on how to do what is literally they're asking me to do almost a stand up bit?

Sixteen years lax, lax. We're going to have a people move. Disney got rid of the people moving. They only get sixty people we're gonna find. But I'm trying to come up with bits and now with this book. Please say yes, because would this book give me any insight on how to do what is literally they're asking me to do almost a stand up bit?

Yeah, got a whole cloth.

Yeah, got a whole cloth.

Well, I want to go back, because what gig was it? I saw you host a Hollywood Bowl. Sure, yeah, stravaganza where you killed And it's not just thirty people, it's how many thousands of people too were amazing.

Well, I want to go back, because what gig was it? I saw you host a Hollywood Bowl. Sure, yeah, stravaganza where you killed And it's not just thirty people, it's how many thousands of people too were amazing.

Well, thank you by the way, Peter helped me right there. Ah.

Well, thank you by the way, Peter helped me right there. Ah.

But it's not that I I mean, you know, I'm an actor. I can play somebody who knows how to tell a joke. It's just it's that's the thing I always talk about with Seinfeld and I would imagine and every good show you've worked on, and I'm sure this is true of Hacks as well. When people talk to me about the success of Seinfeld and they go, you guys were so great, I went, thank you. When someone throws you the ball at the two yard line, it doesn't take as to fall into the episode. We had great stuff to work with, you know, And that so yes, at the Hollywood Bowl. If someone writes me a funny line, I can probably deliver it. Yeah, but when But for for the situation I'm in right now, That's what I'm talking about, where I don't do what you do. I don't sit down to write a comedic monologue. I don't on a spot specific subject. Does this help me?