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Really now really hello and welcome to really know really with Jason, Alexander and Peter Tilden, who kindly ask you to subscribe to our show and then tell everyone you know and don't know to do the same thing by your multitude of social media apps. And speaking of social media apps, have you noticed how they've come to pretty much dominate our daily lives? And suddenly government is seeking to intervene. Currently, the Supreme Court has upheld the right to ban the popular TikTok app in the United States. Australia has issued a ban on social media for miners, and there is a growing trend of trying to limit social media in order to make people more social. Really, no, really, and who even knows if bans are the best way of dealing with the situation. Well, one person who knows quite a bit is doctor Jacqueline Nisi. She's an assistant professor of psychiatry and human behavior at Brown University, where she's specific he studies how technology affects kids and how parents can help. And now here are two guys who are still waiting for their verification check marks, elon Jason and Peter.

Really now really hello and welcome to really know really with Jason, Alexander and Peter Tilden, who kindly ask you to subscribe to our show and then tell everyone you know and don't know to do the same thing by your multitude of social media apps. And speaking of social media apps, have you noticed how they've come to pretty much dominate our daily lives? And suddenly government is seeking to intervene. Currently, the Supreme Court has upheld the right to ban the popular TikTok app in the United States. Australia has issued a ban on social media for miners, and there is a growing trend of trying to limit social media in order to make people more social. Really, no, really, and who even knows if bans are the best way of dealing with the situation. Well, one person who knows quite a bit is doctor Jacqueline Nisi. She's an assistant professor of psychiatry and human behavior at Brown University, where she's specific he studies how technology affects kids and how parents can help. And now here are two guys who are still waiting for their verification check marks, elon Jason and Peter.

Really, So today we're gonna we're gonna be talking about social media.

Really, So today we're gonna we're gonna be talking about social media.

Would you describe yourself as someone who is addicted? It's a big word, but it is highly participatory in your social media.

Would you describe yourself as someone who is addicted? It's a big word, but it is highly participatory in your social media.

Yeah. Well, and how many social media accounts do you personally have? I don't mean our show, I don't mean any, just the ones that you don't.

Yeah. Well, and how many social media accounts do you personally have? I don't mean our show, I don't mean any, just the ones that you don't.

I don't. I don't you have funny because I don't enter into I have them all, but I do them for research. I want to see what's spending, what people are talking about. But I don't post, and you don't really look at comments. I don't know.

I don't. I don't you have funny because I don't enter into I have them all, but I do them for research. I want to see what's spending, what people are talking about. But I don't post, and you don't really look at comments. I don't know.

I don't you know I have I have three. I had four. I got off of a big one. And the thing that makes me crazy is at some point every week, my my iPad will say to me how much screen time I've had this week and whether it's upper down from the week before. And I, first of all, it makes me crazy that it's watching me what's hello? And I guess it's not making a judgment about it, but it feels very judgmental.

I don't you know I have I have three. I had four. I got off of a big one. And the thing that makes me crazy is at some point every week, my my iPad will say to me how much screen time I've had this week and whether it's upper down from the week before. And I, first of all, it makes me crazy that it's watching me what's hello? And I guess it's not making a judgment about it, but it feels very judgmental.

It's telling me I'm up or down from my use to the week before and what I left.

It's telling me I'm up or down from my use to the week before and what I left.

What I love about that because I get that on all my social media and on my phone, how much use and how much Yeah, with the subtext of watch out, just make sure you're not doing too much. And at the same time, it's going, we got to we we got one, we got we got to get this up, we got to get this up again.

What I love about that because I get that on all my social media and on my phone, how much use and how much Yeah, with the subtext of watch out, just make sure you're not doing too much. And at the same time, it's going, we got to we we got one, we got we got to get this up, we got to get this up again.

So if so, but here's why I bring it up because I don't think I'm overly engaged with social media.

So if so, but here's why I bring it up because I don't think I'm overly engaged with social media.

I don't really think.

I don't really think.

And yet you know, it gets into the just shy of nine hours a week is basically what it's telling me.

And yet you know, it gets into the just shy of nine hours a week is basically what it's telling me.

I go, I'm on that thing nine hours a week.

I go, I'm on that thing nine hours a week.

So if I who am not plugged in as a sixty five year old man, I'm not plugged into this stuff. I don't really care about this stuff. I get my news from traditional media. And imagine being a teenager whose entire world.

So if I who am not plugged in as a sixty five year old man, I'm not plugged into this stuff. I don't really care about this stuff. I get my news from traditional media. And imagine being a teenager whose entire world.

Well that's the other that's the point. And just how damaging or not damaging the social media because it's their community, it's their engagement, it's their entertainment, it's their music, it's theirs, their news sources, it's there everything, and why wouldn't it be right? And then the big question for me with this specialist is isn't there a spectrum like, aren't there kids who are just destroyed by social media? Devastated by we know it all the time, we hear about it all the time, and it's even suicidal. Then there's some maybe that are neutral about it, and then maybe there's some who are honor students who are using it to do content to learn stuff. So all of a sudden, the band across the board would seem to be counterintuitive and a bludgeon for something that has to be there has to be and this is the hard part. What are the solutions to make it better for those kids who are devastated by it? So that I'm fascinated by this. I'm fascinated that the Australia went screw it and that they.

Well that's the other that's the point. And just how damaging or not damaging the social media because it's their community, it's their engagement, it's their entertainment, it's their music, it's theirs, their news sources, it's there everything, and why wouldn't it be right? And then the big question for me with this specialist is isn't there a spectrum like, aren't there kids who are just destroyed by social media? Devastated by we know it all the time, we hear about it all the time, and it's even suicidal. Then there's some maybe that are neutral about it, and then maybe there's some who are honor students who are using it to do content to learn stuff. So all of a sudden, the band across the board would seem to be counterintuitive and a bludgeon for something that has to be there has to be and this is the hard part. What are the solutions to make it better for those kids who are devastated by it? So that I'm fascinated by this. I'm fascinated that the Australia went screw it and that they.

Think I said to you, when you, you know, talk to me about this topic, I said, Oh, we're back to the Chemtrail episode where you go, Okay, they're banned in Arizona.

Think I said to you, when you, you know, talk to me about this topic, I said, Oh, we're back to the Chemtrail episode where you go, Okay, they're banned in Arizona.

Okay, so.

Okay, so.

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The sky I mean, so how do you how do you enforce this? How do you you know what what is the mechanism that allows you to make sure that you can enforce a.

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Band, especially by the way, when the people who are pushing back on the band are the wealthiest, most powerful. Now people on the planet did own these tech companies that own the The thing.

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Is they're going to do.

I can't remember who this comedian is, and I just saw the bit the other day, but he does a bit about I guess the porn sites now have a thing if you if you bring up the if you type in whatever it is, the first thing that comes up is the thing that says, I am eighteen years of old or older.

I can't remember who this comedian is, and I just saw the bit the other day, but he does a bit about I guess the porn sites now have a thing if you if you bring up the if you type in whatever it is, the first thing that comes up is the thing that says, I am eighteen years of old or older.

Or I am not eighteen years but any any schmo, I'm eighteen. What do you want? How is that? He's a big preventative way that no one goes past.

Or I am not eighteen years but any any schmo, I'm eighteen. What do you want? How is that? He's a big preventative way that no one goes past.

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We took a reasonable effort.

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Thirty four million dollars? We put up a thing if you kid, I'm the kid hit I'm eighteen.

Who are we to know?

Who are we to know?

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You're a liar?

Right? Yeah, you're a liar, and I should pay thirty four million dollars.

Right? Yeah, you're a liar, and I should pay thirty four million dollars.

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But the good thing is nobody's watching forn so it doesn't matter.

That's right, that's right. And with that, with that, we have a fascinating.

That's right, that's right. And with that, with that, we have a fascinating.

Guest today, Professor Jacqueline is it nessy is that I would assume she's assistant professor at Brown University who studies technology use and how it affects kids and how parents can help. She writes for a popular weekly newsletter called Techno Sapiens and co created Tech Without Stress, which is a course to help parents raising kids in the digital age. She's published over fifty peer reviewed publications related to youth and technology. Youth and her Her writing has been featured in The New York Times, Journal, Washington Post.

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Let's get schooled and let's welcome professor Jacqueline.

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Exactly well, welcome, welcome to our little program. So we are we are. Wegan we began by chatting about.

And we'll get into many things, I'm sure, but I want to start with as I'm sure you're aware, the country of Australia has stated that they are going to ban social media for people under the age of sixteen starting next year, and we wanted to get your thoughts about whether that's a net positive or a net neutral or negative. What's your take on whether this is even a good thing to be pursuing.

And we'll get into many things, I'm sure, but I want to start with as I'm sure you're aware, the country of Australia has stated that they are going to ban social media for people under the age of sixteen starting next year, and we wanted to get your thoughts about whether that's a net positive or a net neutral or negative. What's your take on whether this is even a good thing to be pursuing.

Yeah, yeah, I mean so this is so just backing up a little bit, I'll say that the research on the link between social media and mental health, which is the thing that's kind of driving a lot of these bans and.

Yeah, yeah, I mean so this is so just backing up a little bit, I'll say that the research on the link between social media and mental health, which is the thing that's kind of driving a lot of these bans and.

Movements to change things, the research is a little bit mixed.

Movements to change things, the research is a little bit mixed.

Actually, it's not so as clear cut as we would think. That said, there's generally pretty widespread agreement that these platforms do have problems, right, like they're not designed optimally for young people and young people's being, and so I think there's two generally schools.

Actually, it's not so as clear cut as we would think. That said, there's generally pretty widespread agreement that these platforms do have problems, right, like they're not designed optimally for young people and young people's being, and so I think there's two generally schools.

Of thought about how to address that.

Of thought about how to address that.

One is, let's make changes to the platforms themselves to make them safer.

One is, let's make changes to the platforms themselves to make them safer.

Healthier, better for kids.

Healthier, better for kids.

The other school thought is let's keep them off altogether, right, and so obviously that is what Australia has started taking steps to do.

The other school thought is let's keep them off altogether, right, and so obviously that is what Australia has started taking steps to do.

You could argue that you have.

You could argue that you have.

To set the age somewhere, right, like you have to set the age at which kids can accessit at some point. And in the US it's effectively based on the laws that we have, it's effectively thirteen.

To set the age somewhere, right, like you have to set the age at which kids can accessit at some point. And in the US it's effectively based on the laws that we have, it's effectively thirteen.

But there are a lot of issues that this brings up.

But there are a lot of issues that this brings up.

One is how do you even define social media right, like what platforms would even be considered social media for this type of ban. The second is how do you enforce it? Like you said, so there's some talk of age verification, like, how are you going to know whether kids are actually sixteen?

One is how do you even define social media right, like what platforms would even be considered social media for this type of ban. The second is how do you enforce it? Like you said, so there's some talk of age verification, like, how are you going to know whether kids are actually sixteen?

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I was going to say, because I was joking about you know, the porn sites have a thing that says I am eighteen or holder or I am not.

I was going to say, because I was joking about you know, the porn sites have a thing that says I am eighteen or holder or I am not.

It's yeah, yeah, I think it's just a it's a really tricky issue and I don't think that we have a good solution in terms of how to do age verification, not that it couldn't be developed, but how to do it in a way that protects privacy and that people feel comfortable with. I think the biggest issue though, actually is that it's by putting a ban in place, it kind of replaces the need to actually make changes to these platforms, right, So, you know, so we know that there are changes that could be made, maybe should be made to make.

It's yeah, yeah, I think it's just a it's a really tricky issue and I don't think that we have a good solution in terms of how to do age verification, not that it couldn't be developed, but how to do it in a way that protects privacy and that people feel comfortable with. I think the biggest issue though, actually is that it's by putting a ban in place, it kind of replaces the need to actually make changes to these platforms, right, So, you know, so we know that there are changes that could be made, maybe should be made to make.

Them safer and better for kids.

Them safer and better for kids.

And if there's a band in place, then the platforms can just say, oh, well, the kids shouldn't be on there anyway. So you know, so what do we have to work what do we have to worry about? You know, we don't need to be making these these changes.

And if there's a band in place, then the platforms can just say, oh, well, the kids shouldn't be on there anyway. So you know, so what do we have to work what do we have to worry about? You know, we don't need to be making these these changes.

And that they actually become less safe for kids as a result.

And that they actually become less safe for kids as a result.

Also, when you're studying teens, not every team is destroyed by TikTok. Some flourish because of that, and you would push some kids in more isolation. So there's potential negatives for a whole group of kids that we don't talk about the benefit from it. Some are neutral. We always talk about the kids who are damaged by that.

Also, when you're studying teens, not every team is destroyed by TikTok. Some flourish because of that, and you would push some kids in more isolation. So there's potential negatives for a whole group of kids that we don't talk about the benefit from it. Some are neutral. We always talk about the kids who are damaged by that.

Yeah, yeah, it's a really good question. I think it's kind of the question that's at the heart of a lot of these debates, you know, because the narrative around social media and kids' mental health is obviously really negative. Like what we hear about it is that this is bad and that the science is settled on this, Like, we know it's bad, but I think the research we do have actually doesn't really support that kind of simple story. Like, as you said, social media has a lot of different things, first of all, so there's a lot of different ways that it can be used. Some may be beneficial, some certainly harmful. And then of course kids are very different from each other, right, so you know, kids are using these platforms in very different ways.

Yeah, yeah, it's a really good question. I think it's kind of the question that's at the heart of a lot of these debates, you know, because the narrative around social media and kids' mental health is obviously really negative. Like what we hear about it is that this is bad and that the science is settled on this, Like, we know it's bad, but I think the research we do have actually doesn't really support that kind of simple story. Like, as you said, social media has a lot of different things, first of all, so there's a lot of different ways that it can be used. Some may be beneficial, some certainly harmful. And then of course kids are very different from each other, right, so you know, kids are using these platforms in very different ways.

Some kids, as you mentioned, maybe.

Some kids, as you mentioned, maybe.

Those who might be more marginalized somehow in their you know, offline lives, may actually be getting some benefit from the platforms, finding community on there. So kids are going to be affected in different ways by the platforms, and that makes it hard, I think, to determine, you know, what is the best way to regulate these platforms, to make them safer, to make them better, knowing that the impacts really different for different kids, and that there may be good that's coming out of the platforms for some kids.

Those who might be more marginalized somehow in their you know, offline lives, may actually be getting some benefit from the platforms, finding community on there. So kids are going to be affected in different ways by the platforms, and that makes it hard, I think, to determine, you know, what is the best way to regulate these platforms, to make them safer, to make them better, knowing that the impacts really different for different kids, and that there may be good that's coming out of the platforms for some kids.

Yeah, well it seems to me, you know, we have some of the same issues in my own business about we have just gotten around to trying to figure out practices within my industry to make a safer environment for the children that work in it.

Yeah, well it seems to me, you know, we have some of the same issues in my own business about we have just gotten around to trying to figure out practices within my industry to make a safer environment for the children that work in it.

Yeah, and that's when.

Yeah, and that's when.

We can see them in their hands on and it's very limited exposure, and we can sort of navigate what they do and don't do during their work day. I mean, are you aware of any of the things they're thinking about that might be considered protective for young people? Are you aware of any of the.

We can see them in their hands on and it's very limited exposure, and we can sort of navigate what they do and don't do during their work day. I mean, are you aware of any of the things they're thinking about that might be considered protective for young people? Are you aware of any of the.

Things they're thinking about that might be considered protective for young people.

Things they're thinking about that might be considered protective for young people.

Yeah, it's a really good question. It's a really good parallel.

Yeah, it's a really good question. It's a really good parallel.

I think there are many different proposals out there, some at the federal levels, many at the state level. Some of the things that are in consideration are things like default privacy settings, so making sure that kids are not being automated into public profiles where anyone can contact them or see their information, right, putting more protections in place for parental controls, so letting parents and kids themselves customize their experience a little bit more on the platforms. And then you know, generally kind of creating a duty for these platforms to protect kids from arms, so things like really problematic content, like content that promotes self harm, or eating disorders or things that we just obviously would not want kids seeing. Right, there's some argument that there should be changes made to the platforms for everybody, just that they should generally be you know, more safe and places where there's more transparency about how your data is being collected and used, where you have more options to customize, you know, the algorithms that are feeding you content and those kinds of things. And maybe there should be changes made for everyone.

I think there are many different proposals out there, some at the federal levels, many at the state level. Some of the things that are in consideration are things like default privacy settings, so making sure that kids are not being automated into public profiles where anyone can contact them or see their information, right, putting more protections in place for parental controls, so letting parents and kids themselves customize their experience a little bit more on the platforms. And then you know, generally kind of creating a duty for these platforms to protect kids from arms, so things like really problematic content, like content that promotes self harm, or eating disorders or things that we just obviously would not want kids seeing. Right, there's some argument that there should be changes made to the platforms for everybody, just that they should generally be you know, more safe and places where there's more transparency about how your data is being collected and used, where you have more options to customize, you know, the algorithms that are feeding you content and those kinds of things. And maybe there should be changes made for everyone.

But is that is there any danger that you are effectively putting blinders on because they're only exposing themselves to things that are giving them what they want as opposed to offering an opposing opinion or a different idea, a different perspective.

But is that is there any danger that you are effectively putting blinders on because they're only exposing themselves to things that are giving them what they want as opposed to offering an opposing opinion or a different idea, a different perspective.

Would there not be a downside to that kind of Yeah?

Would there not be a downside to that kind of Yeah?

So, yeah, certainly, I think there could be a downside. That's way I think that any with any change or solution that we talk about here, I do think that some amount of media literacy training is necessary, and that just meaning we need to be teaching kids about healthy and safe ways to use these platforms.

So, yeah, certainly, I think there could be a downside. That's way I think that any with any change or solution that we talk about here, I do think that some amount of media literacy training is necessary, and that just meaning we need to be teaching kids about healthy and safe ways to use these platforms.

Right now, I think there is not a lot of that happening.

Right now, I think there is not a lot of that happening.

Mostly, I think what kids are hearing is social media is bad for you, it's bad for your mental health, don't use it, which is not really realistic.

Mostly, I think what kids are hearing is social media is bad for you, it's bad for your mental health, don't use it, which is not really realistic.

And that's it.

And that's it.

And they're not getting a lot of education and training around how can they actually use this in ways that work for them, that make them feel good or make them feel better, where it's not interfering with other aspects of their lives.

And they're not getting a lot of education and training around how can they actually use this in ways that work for them, that make them feel good or make them feel better, where it's not interfering with other aspects of their lives.

So I think it's something that we need to be teaching kids.

So I think it's something that we need to be teaching kids.

And part of as I was reading out your resume, part of what you do is you are trying to help parents learn how to help their kids navigate this What are some of the tips that, I mean to the if you can sort of winnie them down, What are some of the things you're trying to offer parents as guidelines for navigating this stuff.

And part of as I was reading out your resume, part of what you do is you are trying to help parents learn how to help their kids navigate this What are some of the tips that, I mean to the if you can sort of winnie them down, What are some of the things you're trying to offer parents as guidelines for navigating this stuff.

Yeah, I mean, I think this is a really challenging landscape for parents. As you can imagine, it's changing so fast. It's very different than what many parents dealt with growing up.

Yeah, I mean, I think this is a really challenging landscape for parents. As you can imagine, it's changing so fast. It's very different than what many parents dealt with growing up.

When they were younger.

When they were younger.

And Yeah, so in the past few years, since becoming a parent myself, I have young kids, I think I've become a lot more interested, become a lot more interested in just how can we help parents figure out how to how to navigate this, how to deal with these new technologies, and so yeah, I think there's a couple a couple general tips that I think are good to start with for parents. So one is which parents don't love to hear, but is important is modeling, which is thinking about your own use of social media actually in your own use of technology, and we know that plays a pretty major role in how our kids use technology, and so starting there reflecting on your own use.

And Yeah, so in the past few years, since becoming a parent myself, I have young kids, I think I've become a lot more interested, become a lot more interested in just how can we help parents figure out how to how to navigate this, how to deal with these new technologies, and so yeah, I think there's a couple a couple general tips that I think are good to start with for parents. So one is which parents don't love to hear, but is important is modeling, which is thinking about your own use of social media actually in your own use of technology, and we know that plays a pretty major role in how our kids use technology, and so starting there reflecting on your own use.

And then the other two.

And then the other two.

Tips I would say to start with are communication, So open communication, conversations about this, asking questions is really important, getting curious about how kids are using these technologies, why, when, why it's important to them, what they like about it.

Tips I would say to start with are communication, So open communication, conversations about this, asking questions is really important, getting curious about how kids are using these technologies, why, when, why it's important to them, what they like about it.

I think we often come.

I think we often come.

In with our own agenda, which of course makes sense we're concerned about this as parents, but getting kids perspective to is important. And then the last piece is setting boundaries around it. You know, So the tech companies, of course, I think have a role to play in terms of making the platforms safer for kids, but I also think that parents can play a major role in terms of setting limits, figuring out what the right boundaries are around this, and that might mean waiting a certain amount of time to get them a smartphone, for example, or waiting until a certain age to give them access to social media. I think it can help parents to think about what is kind of the minimum level of time technology that is necessary.

In with our own agenda, which of course makes sense we're concerned about this as parents, but getting kids perspective to is important. And then the last piece is setting boundaries around it. You know, So the tech companies, of course, I think have a role to play in terms of making the platforms safer for kids, but I also think that parents can play a major role in terms of setting limits, figuring out what the right boundaries are around this, and that might mean waiting a certain amount of time to get them a smartphone, for example, or waiting until a certain age to give them access to social media. I think it can help parents to think about what is kind of the minimum level of time technology that is necessary.

For your child to meet the needs they have.

For your child to meet the needs they have.

So if they want to be communicating with friends, staying in touch with their peers, maybe they can do that with a you know, a flip phone, or maybe they can do that with like a smart watch that's made specifically for kids.

So if they want to be communicating with friends, staying in touch with their peers, maybe they can do that with a you know, a flip phone, or maybe they can do that with like a smart watch that's made specifically for kids.

Or by the way, that's what I'm getting my kid to be popular in school. Your research, because you've got a grant to do research, so we can actually have a jumping off point and look at it and go, here's what I found. This is not an opinion, here's what I found. When your research is done, who do you present to that may actually look at it and go, oh, wow, thank you for this. We have something tangible now where we can do something actionable.

Or by the way, that's what I'm getting my kid to be popular in school. Your research, because you've got a grant to do research, so we can actually have a jumping off point and look at it and go, here's what I found. This is not an opinion, here's what I found. When your research is done, who do you present to that may actually look at it and go, oh, wow, thank you for this. We have something tangible now where we can do something actionable.

Maybe yeah, I mean, I think there's a few different ways that you know, after you a study fea of findings, that you can share the findings.

Maybe yeah, I mean, I think there's a few different ways that you know, after you a study fea of findings, that you can share the findings.

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You know.

One of the things that I'm trying to do now, as you mentioned, is trying to get the information directly to people who can use it quickly, like parents, parents, educators in schools. But obviously there's some amount that can get to policymakers, like we've talked about some of this is happening over social media.

One of the things that I'm trying to do now, as you mentioned, is trying to get the information directly to people who can use it quickly, like parents, parents, educators in schools. But obviously there's some amount that can get to policymakers, like we've talked about some of this is happening over social media.

Yeah, well, congratulations on the grant, you know, And should we have panels of like twelve year olds who are actually trying to get the solutions rather than adults who didn't grow up with social media and don't understand it.

Yeah, well, congratulations on the grant, you know, And should we have panels of like twelve year olds who are actually trying to get the solutions rather than adults who didn't grow up with social media and don't understand it.

Yeah, yeah, it's funny.

Yeah, yeah, it's funny.

Actually, I think that we do definitely forget sometimes to actually involve kids in these conversations, the ones who actually know the most about how they're using these platforms and what's working.

Actually, I think that we do definitely forget sometimes to actually involve kids in these conversations, the ones who actually know the most about how they're using these platforms and what's working.

Right.

Right.

I did this survey last year with common Sense Media where we went out and we surveyed about fifteen hundred girls ages eleven to fifteen across the US, and one of the things we asked them was what changes would you make to social media to make it better? And the things they came up with with were really kind of common.

I did this survey last year with common Sense Media where we went out and we surveyed about fifteen hundred girls ages eleven to fifteen across the US, and one of the things we asked them was what changes would you make to social media to make it better? And the things they came up with with were really kind of common.

Sense, right.

Sense, right.

It was like, you know, stop letting adult contact me who I don't want to be contacting me, or like give me more age appropriate content to look at instead of things that I don't want to be looking at, you know, like they came up with things that are really make a lot of sense, and I think most people would agree with. But I how to actually then put that into practice at the policy level is is hard.

It was like, you know, stop letting adult contact me who I don't want to be contacting me, or like give me more age appropriate content to look at instead of things that I don't want to be looking at, you know, like they came up with things that are really make a lot of sense, and I think most people would agree with. But I how to actually then put that into practice at the policy level is is hard.

Professor.

Professor.

If I may may, this may not be something that you can absolutely speak to, but on the on the hopes that you can, it would be helpful, I think to a lot of parents. I remember my boys are fully grown, but I remember when social media sort of started to come into it's it's real heyday as they were becoming teenagers, and I had a very realistic talk with my boys about pornography online, where where I said to them, look, guys, when when when two adult people agree on something and they there's nothing that's bad. Everything's fine as long as those are circumstances. But until you understand sexuality for yourself, you might bump into some things online that are really disturbing or really shocking or really kind of blow your mind that they're not appropriate for you at this point. So I'm going to beg you, since I cannot follow you or every move, try to avoid.

If I may may, this may not be something that you can absolutely speak to, but on the on the hopes that you can, it would be helpful, I think to a lot of parents. I remember my boys are fully grown, but I remember when social media sort of started to come into it's it's real heyday as they were becoming teenagers, and I had a very realistic talk with my boys about pornography online, where where I said to them, look, guys, when when when two adult people agree on something and they there's nothing that's bad. Everything's fine as long as those are circumstances. But until you understand sexuality for yourself, you might bump into some things online that are really disturbing or really shocking or really kind of blow your mind that they're not appropriate for you at this point. So I'm going to beg you, since I cannot follow you or every move, try to avoid.

Going of these things.

Going of these things.

I understand, I mean, I had playboys as a teenage boy. I understand you want to see what a naked girl looks like, but there are some really very frightening things out there. Same thing with this online bullying thing, which which really hadn't become, to my knowledge, much of a thing when my boys were growing up, but seems to be so prevalent now in those two specific areas of pornography. When parents sit down to discuss how a child is going to use their social media when the parent cannot see what's going on. Is there a way to talk to kids about pornography specifically, or ways that they might open themselves to online bullying and what those kids can do to help themselves.

I understand, I mean, I had playboys as a teenage boy. I understand you want to see what a naked girl looks like, but there are some really very frightening things out there. Same thing with this online bullying thing, which which really hadn't become, to my knowledge, much of a thing when my boys were growing up, but seems to be so prevalent now in those two specific areas of pornography. When parents sit down to discuss how a child is going to use their social media when the parent cannot see what's going on. Is there a way to talk to kids about pornography specifically, or ways that they might open themselves to online bullying and what those kids can do to help themselves.

Are there? Do you have any insight on what a parent.

Are there? Do you have any insight on what a parent.

Can say that have a real conversation with their child about stuff.

Can say that have a real conversation with their child about stuff.

Yeah, it's a great question, and I think I think you're you were one step ahead of the game by just.

Yeah, it's a great question, and I think I think you're you were one step ahead of the game by just.

Having the conversation.

Having the conversation.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's the first thing is that a lot of parents are just nervous to have these conversations. They don't know what to say, they don't want to get it wrong, so they don't say anything. And we really do need to be talking to kids about some of these challenges and some of the dangers that are online.

That's the first thing is that a lot of parents are just nervous to have these conversations. They don't know what to say, they don't want to get it wrong, so they don't say anything. And we really do need to be talking to kids about some of these challenges and some of the dangers that are online.

So, if there's one message.

So, if there's one message.

That I think is important to convey, I would say it's one of non judgment, right, So trying to convey the message that if you have questions, if you're concerned about something, if you see something you feel like you shouldn't have, I want you to feel like you can come talk to me without me, without me taking your phone away, or without me jumping into something punitive. And I think it's really common for parents, very understandably, where their kid says they saw something or they bring something up to kind of test the waters. Parents freak out and get a little nervous about that, and then they put in more restrictions, right, And what that shows the kids is that they can't do that in the future, Right, They can't. They can't come to you and talk about it because it's going to have negative consequences. And so I think as much as possible, even though it's hard, really trying to approach us conversations with you know, thanks for coming to me.

That I think is important to convey, I would say it's one of non judgment, right, So trying to convey the message that if you have questions, if you're concerned about something, if you see something you feel like you shouldn't have, I want you to feel like you can come talk to me without me, without me taking your phone away, or without me jumping into something punitive. And I think it's really common for parents, very understandably, where their kid says they saw something or they bring something up to kind of test the waters. Parents freak out and get a little nervous about that, and then they put in more restrictions, right, And what that shows the kids is that they can't do that in the future, Right, They can't. They can't come to you and talk about it because it's going to have negative consequences. And so I think as much as possible, even though it's hard, really trying to approach us conversations with you know, thanks for coming to me.

I'm glad you.

I'm glad you.

I'm glad you brought this to me. Let's have a conversation about what happened? What can you do next time?

I'm glad you brought this to me. Let's have a conversation about what happened? What can you do next time?

You know?

You know?

What did you not understand? Can we can?

What did you not understand? Can we can?

Can we look it up together and figure it out rather than you know, having a more punitive right right.

Can we look it up together and figure it out rather than you know, having a more punitive right right.

Wow, that makes sense because we go we go right to we do go to punitive when you're panicing, right well, yeah.

Wow, that makes sense because we go we go right to we do go to punitive when you're panicing, right well, yeah.

I mean I think the other the other thing for parents is know you don't have to, you know, quote get it right in every conversation, right like, it's never going to it's not going to be perfect.

I mean I think the other the other thing for parents is know you don't have to, you know, quote get it right in every conversation, right like, it's never going to it's not going to be perfect.

Where were you when I was raising children? I don't have to always get it right. That would have been a very good tip.

Where were you when I was raising children? I don't have to always get it right. That would have been a very good tip.

I started the episode by saying, you know, these tech companies can target kids with ads. I'm sure they know. How is that possible that you can target a ten year old with an ad of twenty things are going to buy and you know everything about them? However, you can't block content from that same kid that you know who they are and what their age is. That to me tells me if they wanted to, if there was an incentive that they could.

I started the episode by saying, you know, these tech companies can target kids with ads. I'm sure they know. How is that possible that you can target a ten year old with an ad of twenty things are going to buy and you know everything about them? However, you can't block content from that same kid that you know who they are and what their age is. That to me tells me if they wanted to, if there was an incentive that they could.

Yeah, there's also what the algorithm is solving for, right like, right now we don't know, but it seems like what's probably mostly being solved for.

Yeah, there's also what the algorithm is solving for, right like, right now we don't know, but it seems like what's probably mostly being solved for.

Is engagement and time.

Is engagement and time.

So whatever is making a kid or an adults stay on their longer, engage more with the content, that's the thing that's going to show up first and their algorithm and show up most frequently and do do the best in terms of how popular it does on the platform. But there are other things you could you could solve for, right like, there are other things you could be prioritizing.

So whatever is making a kid or an adults stay on their longer, engage more with the content, that's the thing that's going to show up first and their algorithm and show up most frequently and do do the best in terms of how popular it does on the platform. But there are other things you could you could solve for, right like, there are other things you could be prioritizing.

Man, it'd be wonderful they could. We had a guest on his suggestion, you know, replacing hate and fear, there's got to be another more powerful emotion that can release dopamine that we can replace.

Man, it'd be wonderful they could. We had a guest on his suggestion, you know, replacing hate and fear, there's got to be another more powerful emotion that can release dopamine that we can replace.

I told you I changed my Instagram algorithm in six weeks.

I told you I changed my Instagram algorithm in six weeks.

It was and it was not hard to do well. It was very studious.

It was and it was not hard to do well. It was very studious.

So as I was scrolling, if there was anything in the first second it came up, if it looked like it was trying to give me the kind of news and information that would anger me or frighten me, or I would flip by.

So as I was scrolling, if there was anything in the first second it came up, if it looked like it was trying to give me the kind of news and information that would anger me or frighten me, or I would flip by.

So there was no two seconds of eyeballing it.

So there was no two seconds of eyeballing it.

Anything that was uplifting, entertaining, humane, charitable, beautiful. I started harding it I just started liking it, and within six weeks I would say the vast majority of my Instagram feed are really kind of lovely things.

Anything that was uplifting, entertaining, humane, charitable, beautiful. I started harding it I just started liking it, and within six weeks I would say the vast majority of my Instagram feed are really kind of lovely things.

Well, thanks for coming on, doctor Nishi, a pleasure.

Well, thanks for coming on, doctor Nishi, a pleasure.

Good luck with your work. We look forward to.

Good luck with your work. We look forward to.

Why do we need it? Well, there you go, there you go?

Why do we need it? Well, there you go, there you go?

What?

What?

Well?

Well?

Yeah, all right, So what we found out is, yes, there is a problem. Yes, companies may or may not be working on it. I don't know. No one has a definitive answer on how Australia is going to pull off this band or if it's there or is it just this could be advice to make the companies we're.

Yeah, all right, So what we found out is, yes, there is a problem. Yes, companies may or may not be working on it. I don't know. No one has a definitive answer on how Australia is going to pull off this band or if it's there or is it just this could be advice to make the companies we're.

Talking, I thought, no, they they have to be at least as smart as we are and know how are we going to do this? So maybe if just we're not going to sit back and do this, we're gonna start finding you guys. So if you don't incentivize and give us a reason, we're going to do this dumb band. We don't know how to do yet, but we'll figure out. Figure we'll figure out. We're going to threaten you exactly the year we're going.

Talking, I thought, no, they they have to be at least as smart as we are and know how are we going to do this? So maybe if just we're not going to sit back and do this, we're gonna start finding you guys. So if you don't incentivize and give us a reason, we're going to do this dumb band. We don't know how to do yet, but we'll figure out. Figure we'll figure out. We're going to threaten you exactly the year we're going.

To threaten you.

To threaten you.

So yeah, it's interesting. Well, listen, I think this is one of the great challenges of our time. Seriously, I think the Internet and social media, and we didn't even get into misinformation and disinformation.

So yeah, it's interesting. Well, listen, I think this is one of the great challenges of our time. Seriously, I think the Internet and social media, and we didn't even get into misinformation and disinformation.

Which is so dangerous, or how do you do that? How do you do that if it's my opinion and it's wrong, and how do you know when it's opinion?

Which is so dangerous, or how do you do that? How do you do that if it's my opinion and it's wrong, and how do you know when it's opinion?

I have a game for you, but I want to be able to include David, So David Google, I'm come on and tell us.

I have a game for you, but I want to be able to include David, So David Google, I'm come on and tell us.

What we learned, what we missed, what we should know, what we don't.

What we learned, what we missed, what we should know, what we don't.

There's actually a lot to get into.

There's actually a lot to get into.

A couple of mistakes.

A couple of mistakes.

Chemtrails are not banned in arizon't know they're banned in Tennessee. That's what I meant to say, right And actually, in one clarification when we were speaking about pornography and that button that comes up saying I am eighteen, there actually are a few states that have requirements in place that you have.

Chemtrails are not banned in arizon't know they're banned in Tennessee. That's what I meant to say, right And actually, in one clarification when we were speaking about pornography and that button that comes up saying I am eighteen, there actually are a few states that have requirements in place that you have.

To do some rigor too, like what what's additional?

To do some rigor too, like what what's additional?

The states that where it currently exists are Tennessee, Louisiana, Texas, Utah, Indiana, and Montana. Now where I live in Florida, there actually is new legislation that has.

The states that where it currently exists are Tennessee, Louisiana, Texas, Utah, Indiana, and Montana. Now where I live in Florida, there actually is new legislation that has.

Passed going to go into effect in January of twenty twenty five, where they perhaps might be requiring you to give over your driver's license number.

Passed going to go into effect in January of twenty twenty five, where they perhaps might be requiring you to give over your driver's license number.

Really indeed, so that'll cut way down on users.

Really indeed, so that'll cut way down on users.

There's a lot of legislation fighting back against this for free speech concerns, and there is actually a Supreme Court case it's supposed to be heard in twenty twenty five on this very subject.

There's a lot of legislation fighting back against this for free speech concerns, and there is actually a Supreme Court case it's supposed to be heard in twenty twenty five on this very subject.

You know, that's interesting.

You know, that's interesting.

I don't know how I feel about that, because I do understand the free speech part, but I also think protecting minors is vote.

I don't know how I feel about that, because I do understand the free speech part, but I also think protecting minors is vote.

You need certainty to drive, you need a certain a device to regular liquor, you need a certain age to douce access, certain act curtains, but not all inhoment certain infrom that wouldn't be bad.

You need certainty to drive, you need a certain a device to regular liquor, you need a certain age to douce access, certain act curtains, but not all inhoment certain infrom that wouldn't be bad.

Could I give them my license and sayts for research purposes only?

Could I give them my license and sayts for research purposes only?

Reason all I can see. By the way, just as a recall when you said to our guests, as long as it's too consensual people, there's nothing bad. Oh yeah, even with two consensual people, there's stuff going on, you know what you're well, that's oh absolutely even yeah, forget too consensual people.

Reason all I can see. By the way, just as a recall when you said to our guests, as long as it's too consensual people, there's nothing bad. Oh yeah, even with two consensual people, there's stuff going on, you know what you're well, that's oh absolutely even yeah, forget too consensual people.

There are just things I don't want my There are things I don't want to the aristocratic?

There are just things I don't want my There are things I don't want to the aristocratic?

Yes, what else, David?

Yes, what else, David?

Anything?

Anything?

Yeah?

Yeah?

Another thing I wanted to mention is what phone should people give to their kids, whether it should be a flip.

Another thing I wanted to mention is what phone should people give to their kids, whether it should be a flip.

Phone and not a not a smmartphone.

Phone and not a not a smmartphone.

And obviously your child will be mocked and right, so who wants to be able to flip the openness fun? But there are phones on the market that use smartphone technology, so you're not going your your child is not going to be outed as having a weird looking phone. It looks like your traditional smartphone, but has built into the core system safety features that block many things and then give parents automatic alerts on on certain activity on certain That's great.

And obviously your child will be mocked and right, so who wants to be able to flip the openness fun? But there are phones on the market that use smartphone technology, so you're not going your your child is not going to be outed as having a weird looking phone. It looks like your traditional smartphone, but has built into the core system safety features that block many things and then give parents automatic alerts on on certain activity on certain That's great.

I bought my kids what the ARP fond for seniors. They use a big screen, I fall, extreme.

I bought my kids what the ARP fond for seniors. They use a big screen, I fall, extreme.

Thing numbers I fall, I can't, and a direct line to walk in tubs exactly.

Thing numbers I fall, I can't, and a direct line to walk in tubs exactly.

Wow.

Wow.

All right, Wow, Well, and here's a little game for both of you, because what we're using when we go on social media, we're going to websites. And I have researched some pretty crazy websites and what they do. So we're going to play a game. I'm going to name a website what it does? You tell me if it's real.

All right, Wow, Well, and here's a little game for both of you, because what we're using when we go on social media, we're going to websites. And I have researched some pretty crazy websites and what they do. So we're going to play a game. I'm going to name a website what it does? You tell me if it's real.

Ready.

Ready.

There's a website called pointer Pointer which shows photos of people pointing and they will always be pointing at where your cursor pointer is on the screen.

There's a website called pointer Pointer which shows photos of people pointing and they will always be pointing at where your cursor pointer is on the screen.

That's got to be real.

That's got to be real.

David, real that it is absolute real. Point or pointer go in there now. Eel Slap allows.

David, real that it is absolute real. Point or pointer go in there now. Eel Slap allows.

You to post a picture of someone on the screen and digitally slap them with an eel by moving the cursor.

You to post a picture of someone on the screen and digitally slap them with an eel by moving the cursor.

It is absolutely real. It is absolutely real.

It is absolutely real. It is absolutely real.

Bodily Fluidily features close up photo of some sort of liquid stain and it invites the user to guess if it is a bodily fluid or some other kind.

Bodily Fluidily features close up photo of some sort of liquid stain and it invites the user to guess if it is a bodily fluid or some other kind.

David, I would say it not only is it real, it's sponsored by doctor pimple Popper.

David, I would say it not only is it real, it's sponsored by doctor pimple Popper.

Wow, I made that one up. That is a false.

Wow, I made that one up. That is a false.

Really well we should get that, don't you, David. David make a note.

Really well we should get that, don't you, David. David make a note.

Do nothing for two minutes, offers static photos and video and challenges you to do nothing. Don't touch your cursor, don't look away, don't click on or off. If you move the mouse, it kicks you off automatic. David, I'm gonna say it's false.

Do nothing for two minutes, offers static photos and video and challenges you to do nothing. Don't touch your cursor, don't look away, don't click on or off. If you move the mouse, it kicks you off automatic. David, I'm gonna say it's false.

It is real. Do Nothing for two minutes is a real website?

It is real. Do Nothing for two minutes is a real website?

G string a solid vertical line appears on your screen. If you run your cursor over it, it produces the note G on a different.

G string a solid vertical line appears on your screen. If you run your cursor over it, it produces the note G on a different.

Instrument each time.

Instrument each time.

That has to be real, David, that's strange, real, I made it up.

That has to be real, David, that's strange, real, I made it up.

That's completely wow. On the other hand is the name of the site.

That's completely wow. On the other hand is the name of the site.

On the other hand, challenges you to draw simple figures with your mouse using the wrong hand.

On the other hand, challenges you to draw simple figures with your mouse using the wrong hand.

Points are scored for accuracy.

Points are scored for accuracy.

They also, I mean it's got a he's very creative.

They also, I mean it's got a he's very creative.

False. I made that one up.

False. I made that one up.

Really yeah. The most hold on I think I hate and I hate to say this. I got because I love Seinfeldt, and I love that you got a Tony, But I think we just found your nich.

Really yeah. The most hold on I think I hate and I hate to say this. I got because I love Seinfeldt, and I love that you got a Tony, But I think we just found your nich.

We made it thing I got. I got four more for you to make a fort with these. The most seconds is the name of the website. Everyone who logs on adds to a timer that registers the total amount of time that people have stayed.

We made it thing I got. I got four more for you to make a fort with these. The most seconds is the name of the website. Everyone who logs on adds to a timer that registers the total amount of time that people have stayed.

On the site.

On the site.

So you log on however much time you watch it. It adds to the counter.

So you log on however much time you watch it. It adds to the counter.

True or false.

True or false.

True true, that is absolutely true, and currently the aggregate is close to five hundred years worth of seconds that people have stood and watched that thing. Here's the website has the large Hadron collider destroyed the world. Yet you click on and all you see is the word nope.

True true, that is absolutely true, and currently the aggregate is close to five hundred years worth of seconds that people have stood and watched that thing. Here's the website has the large Hadron collider destroyed the world. Yet you click on and all you see is the word nope.

Well that has to be real too, because I don't think you would have made that one up.

Well that has to be real too, because I don't think you would have made that one up.

That is absolutely true, absolutely true. That's a website. Doppelganger.

That is absolutely true, absolutely true. That's a website. Doppelganger.

Upload a picture of your face and the app immediately uploads a celebrity it thinks looks like you, then splits the faces in half for a side by side.

Upload a picture of your face and the app immediately uploads a celebrity it thinks looks like you, then splits the faces in half for a side by side.

I've used that.

I've used that.

I think I've used that well if you have, I am older royalty because I just made it up.

I think I've used that well if you have, I am older royalty because I just made it up.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And the last one, Rock Paper Scissors, allows you to practice your skill at the game.

And the last one, Rock Paper Scissors, allows you to practice your skill at the game.

Absolutely real rock paper zero for zero.

Absolutely real rock paper zero for zero.

I got to tell you that's fun coming up with things that you go so crazy it could be real.

I got to tell you that's fun coming up with things that you go so crazy it could be real.

So let's say, as we say goodbye, if there's a developer out there who wants to help them with string bodily fluid, I think is the one.

So let's say, as we say goodbye, if there's a developer out there who wants to help them with string bodily fluid, I think is the one.

Uh and uh doppelganger.

Uh and uh doppelganger.

I I am willing to pretty good, pretty good, all right, So, ladies and gentlemen, that is our program for those of you listening in Australia. Good dye Mite and good luck with your band. Thank you, for I'm on to you. I get what you're doing. Yeah, right you and your bowie knives. Yeah, thank you, Professor Jacqueline neasy and uh watch.

I I am willing to pretty good, pretty good, all right, So, ladies and gentlemen, that is our program for those of you listening in Australia. Good dye Mite and good luck with your band. Thank you, for I'm on to you. I get what you're doing. Yeah, right you and your bowie knives. Yeah, thank you, Professor Jacqueline neasy and uh watch.

Thank you, laur thank you. Uh look, can we go out with Laurie's music.

Thank you, laur thank you. Uh look, can we go out with Laurie's music.

You're wrong.

You're wrong.

Let's have one thing understood.

Let's have one thing understood.

Whatever it is, I am against it, and even when you've changed it all condensed, I'm.

Whatever it is, I am against it, and even when you've changed it all condensed, I'm.

Against thank you. Whatever it is. I'm again.

Against thank you. Whatever it is. I'm again.

No really.

No really.

As another episode.

As another episode.

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One of the most popular social media apps out there today. Well, at the end of twenty twenty four, the top thirty five were listed, and a lot of familiar and less familiar names were among them. Among the less familiar are several things I'm about to mispronounce number thirty four, vik or Vic contact Ta number thirty, Josh number twenty six, Jiaohanngshu which translates to red note number twenty, Billy Billy number sixteen, Sina Weebo number twelve, by Do, and number eleven dall Yen.

One of the most popular social media apps out there today. Well, at the end of twenty twenty four, the top thirty five were listed, and a lot of familiar and less familiar names were among them. Among the less familiar are several things I'm about to mispronounce number thirty four, vik or Vic contact Ta number thirty, Josh number twenty six, Jiaohanngshu which translates to red note number twenty, Billy Billy number sixteen, Sina Weebo number twelve, by Do, and number eleven dall Yen.

Among that group, the least popular vk at number thirty.

Among that group, the least popular vk at number thirty.

Four still has eighty million monthly active users, and the most popular deli En at number eleven has seven hundred and fifty two million monthly users. Of the more familiar We have Rumble at number thirty five, Threads at twenty nine, Vimeo at twenty four, LinkedIn at twenty two, X comes in at number fifteen, TikTok is number five, Instagram is four, What's App is three, YouTube is two, and the number over one.

Four still has eighty million monthly active users, and the most popular deli En at number eleven has seven hundred and fifty two million monthly users. Of the more familiar We have Rumble at number thirty five, Threads at twenty nine, Vimeo at twenty four, LinkedIn at twenty two, X comes in at number fifteen, TikTok is number five, Instagram is four, What's App is three, YouTube is two, and the number over one.

Is good old Facebook.

Is good old Facebook.

With three point zero six billion active monthly users. That means if one a half of one percent of Facebook users listen to our show, I could probably afford to buy some stock and Rumble or maybe even Jao Hung Shoe, and then I could use that money to learn how to pronounce Jao hung shoe.

With three point zero six billion active monthly users. That means if one a half of one percent of Facebook users listen to our show, I could probably afford to buy some stock and Rumble or maybe even Jao Hung Shoe, and then I could use that money to learn how to pronounce Jao hung shoe.

Well, a guy can dream.

Well, a guy can dream.

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